Special Guest Paul Lamar Hunter "The 19th Child of 21 Siblings"

What does it take to triumph over adversity and rise above your circumstances? Paul Lamar Hunter, the 19th of 21 siblings, pulls back the curtain on his remarkable life story in this episode of the Talkers Podcast, Unscripted. From a childhood marked by strict discipline and community support to becoming a beacon of inspiration through his academic and professional achievements, Paul's journey is both uplifting and thought-provoking. He invites us to explore his family’s rich history and the profound impact of faith and resilience in navigating life's challenges.

Paul doesn't shy away from the complexities of his upbringing or the shifting political landscape. Growing up in a large family, Paul witnessed firsthand the value of discipline and the support of a tight-knit community. He reflects on the lessons learned from his parents' unwavering faith and the hard-earned wisdom of his older siblings. As we discuss his academic success and the significance of mentorship in his role as a basketball coach, Paul underscores the importance of perseverance and the power of community in overcoming life's hurdles.

The conversation takes a riveting turn as we delve into Paul's political views and social commentary. From misconceptions surrounding child support laws to the impact of executive orders on censorship, Paul offers candid insights into the current socio-political climate. We also debate economic policies and speculate on the future of the Democratic Party as the 2024 election looms. Wrapping up, we introduce our new subscription model, inviting you to support our podcast and stay engaged with our diverse and thought-provoking content. Paul Lamar Hunter’s story is a testament to the power of resilience, community, and unwavering faith.

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Transcript

Joe: 0:55

What's up, what's up everybody. What's up, what's up. This is the Talkers Podcast, Unscripted. My name is Joe and I got my co-host right here with me is the Gooch How's everybody doing and we have a wonderful special guest that just joined in our podcast. His name is Paul Lamar Hunter. What's going on, paul hey?

Thee Gooch: 1:24

I am excited to be on your show, so we are going to have fun because I have a beautiful story to tell your listeners and viewers as well.

Joe: 1:39

Well, we're glad to have you and I'm glad you're. You know, one thing I want to ask you is that how did you hear us? How'd you hear from us and all that stuff? That's what I'm trying to get at.

Thee Gooch: 1:49

Well, what happened is that I was on Instagram and so I saw some of you guys skits on Instagram, and also I went to YouTube as well and looked at it, so I decided to reach out to you guys to see if you guys would be interested in bringing me on and telling my story.

Paul Lamar Hunter: 2:06

So, hey, I thank you for bringing me on and quite and quite Thank you for joining us and quite the interesting story you have. I've been. I was watching a couple of your. You were on the local news about five years ago and I was watching that for a little bit and I tried to get some information. I wanted to order your book, believe me, and I'm going to, but it's just with my schedule, you just forget Whatever.

Joe: 2:29

Oh wait a minute, gooch, I bought his book and I read it and I just finished it. Somebody had to show up. Yeah, read it and I just finished it. Somebody had to show up. Yeah, it was an interesting story, man, I thought I mean, you know, I read the book and everything, and and it's not going to be about your book, because I don't want to have no spoilers on it, because I want people to buy your book, yes, so, um, I'm gonna leave, but there's one question I want to ask you from chapter four kind of intrigued me a lot in chapter four, but I'll get to that later, okay, so yeah, so it might have changed, but I saw the, the interview you were, you were talking and on the uh on a news uh episode.

Paul Lamar Hunter: 3:10

So are your parents still with us?

Thee Gooch: 3:12

no, no, um. My father died when I was eight. My mother passed away four years ago and you know what's interesting is that my mother was born in 1934 and her birthday was June 14th. Now, the reason why I say that is because Donald Trump's birthday is June 14th and when you look at Donald Trump, it's just like looking at my mom, because they both had that same personality, that same character. It just makes me laugh.

Joe: 3:46

I can answer that that's a Gemini thing, isn't it? Yes, it is, I'm a Gemini. I'm born June 16th. I just had a birthday just two weeks ago. Here's another one, right.

Thee Gooch: 3:56

Yeah, hey, straightforward people Not afraid. Not afraid to cut you and slice you up and throw you out. So I take it. I take it, you're a Trump supporter, but this is to be the first first time that I will vote Republican, because this country was better off on the Trump four years ago and a lot of my siblings has been Democrat, but now they switched over to Republican.

Thee Gooch: 4:32

I think it's a shift that is happening and we're going back home where we belong, and that is to the Republican Party, because it's always been about God, family first. So you know, we're coming back home. I can say that right now. And don't be surprised when you see Blacks and Latinos voting for Trump and at the end they are going to say that it's going to be about 40 to 50 percent of African-Americans and Hispanics and Latinos voting for Trump because you know, four years ago it was just better under Trump. The economy was moving, people were working, the government was giving us money. Under Biden it's a struggle. I see people working two jobs. I see some people working one job and living in a van, and either you got to pay rent or you're going to be homeless, and so some people made the choice to live in their van or live in their car and just save up their money.

Paul Lamar Hunter: 5:33

And it's like in the state of California. How do you justify paying $00 for a two-bedroom apartment apartment and plus you have to pay the outrageous um utilities? You know the water, the light and you know whatever else comes with it. It's just crazy, you know. But the california's a whole different story. I blame that on the gavin newsom, uh, but anyways. But you're absolutely right. The republican party, right now it is all about love and God and that's what this country needs. Yeah, we need to get back, we need to get back to the fundamentals of putting God first.

Thee Gooch: 6:08

And so you know, I know that people talk about. Well, you know, trump is a convicted felon. Trump is a convicted felon, you know what. So what? So what? He's better than anybody on the Democratic side. So what? Here's, here's what's interesting. All right, now he's a convicted felon, he has the right to run for president. Now people should be saying and be outraged and say you know what. People should be saying and be outraged and say you know what.

Joe: 6:41

It's time for us to change the labels on people.

Thee Gooch: 6:46

You know you got some people that are convicted felons and they can't even get a damn job.

Paul Lamar Hunter: 6:48

Yeah, because they have that label on Exactly, exactly. Oh, it'll change, it'll change.

Thee Gooch: 6:52

But they can run for president.

Joe: 6:56

You see that yeah exactly.

Paul Lamar Hunter: 6:59

It'll change. Definitely For the audience. Paul Lamar Hunter is the 19th child of 21 siblings. Yeah, oh my God, I couldn't even stand my three siblings, let alone another 19.

Thee Gooch: 7:16

Yeah, and my three siblings, let alone another 19. Yes, yes, yes. My mother birthed 21 children by my dad 17 of us living today, 63 grandchildren and 87 great-grandchildren.

Paul Lamar Hunter: 7:31

The interesting thing about this story is that my dad was laying the pipe and my mom was getting a delight well, my the better question, my question, automatic like right off the top of my head when I was listening or reading. Some of this is like how did your parents have time to keep their pants on? Because, because correct me if I'm wrong your mom was pregnant for 15 years and 19 months total yes, 15 years.

Thee Gooch: 8:04

My mom stayed pregnant for 15 years, so, um, she won more championships than bill russell. Uh, michael jordan, scotty pitman, magic johnson, kareen abdul-jabbar. My mother is, uh, my, my father as well. They, they are just, uh, winners all around.

Joe: 8:22

So, um, if it wasn't for my mom and dad I wouldn't be here speaking to you guys exactly, yeah well, I mean, your mom has a book out too right, called love and charity, right? Yeah, I have the book right here love, and charity, the life, the.

Thee Gooch: 8:35

Life Story of Louise Hunter and the Love and Charity, homeless Shelter, and it was written by a great man, dennis J Woods. You can get this book on Amazoncom and also Barnes and Noble, so go to any bookstore to get this book.

Joe: 8:53

There you have it. Guys, are you listeners out there, get that book, but you know what Go ahead Gooch.

Paul Lamar Hunter: 9:00

You know the thing that? Because when I was growing up, you know I have, of course, joe, he's my brother, and then I have a sister who is older than me, right? And then we have a younger brother, okay, so with me growing up now I'm going to ask you this question too. With me growing up up, I learned from my older siblings mistakes, right? Because back in the day we either got an ass whooping or we got soap in the mouth, and I wanted neither of them, right?

Paul Lamar Hunter: 9:28

yes so I learned from you. Know my older brother, joe, or my sister you can hear joe's in the background. You know getting his mouth washed up with soap and sounds like he was drowning, and I'm in the background. You know getting his mouth washed up with soap and it sounds like he was drowning, and I'm in the background just saying what a dumbass.

Paul Lamar Hunter: 9:44

So, I learned how to stay on track, discipline wise, without being spanked, or you know, I mean occasionally I got an ass whooping, don't get me wrong. But how was it for you, with all the siblings, that you learned from from them if they got a whooping? Or did your parents whoop, or how was the discipline?

Thee Gooch: 10:04

The discipline came from my mom, my dad, and when we did something, mom and dad, mom would discipline us We'll, we'll, we'll. You know, growing up, my mom used to use switches to whip us.

Thee Gooch: 10:22

And then, after we get a whipping from mom, when dad come home, he will whip us as as as well. So mom and dad was very, very hard on us, but I did learn to watch my older siblings because I learned so much about them. That's the reason why today I have never got in trouble with the law, and they some of them have got in trouble with the law, and, and it was very hard because my mom and dad never raised us to get in trouble with the law, and so I learned from my older siblings mistakes and failures, and so that's the reason why I am so. So much discipline is a part of my life, so much focus and vision is a part of my life, and so I never wanted to get in trouble with the law. Thank God I didn't. I didn't want to do drugs or alcohol or get in trouble, be a part of a gang. I didn't need a gang because I already had a gang with my siblings. Right, right, right.

Joe: 11:38

Yeah, so you're like the first of all of your family, the first child that graduated in college. Right, you had a degree and all that stuff.

Thee Gooch: 11:47

I am the first child to graduate from college with a bachelor's degree in business administration from Upper Iowa University in 2012, which was a great school for me. One thing when you grew up in the hood and you grew up what they call the inner city and you walk into an institution like Upper Iowa University, there's only one direction you can go. And that was up and I went up. I and I am continue to go up because after I graduated, my book came out no love, no charity the success of the 19 child. Also, I was profiled in ebony magazine twice, black enterprise.

Thee Gooch: 12:31

Um, I had an opportunity to meet dr phil uh vivica a fox. Dr Phil Vivica A Fox, because she had a talk show. She's a little actress, yeah, yep. She had a talk show called Face the Truth, so she brought some of my siblings on and she also brought me on and we talked about my mom's book and we talk about my book, and I want to say to your viewers and listeners that my mother's book and my book has both been combined into a screenplay. I signed a deal with tail flick pictures two years ago. Now we're in the process of getting all the characters together for the movie and one day you'll be taking your wives or your girlfriends to go watch the movie I was going to ask you about that.

Joe: 13:15

Are they going to make a film about you guys, and I mean about your story and all that stuff? What went on and on? You know?

Thee Gooch: 13:21

Yes, they will make a film of the Hunter family story and I think it's going to be a remarkable story and it's going to change. People live because we are. We are a family, that that is. That is no different than a family of two, three, four or five. We all have our struggles because parents parents are not perfect. I tell, I tell people all the time that my mother could not give what she didn't have. So parents are not perfect. They're just not perfect at all.

Paul Lamar Hunter: 13:55

Now are you shooting for 23 kids yourself. All Now are you shooting for 23 kids yourself.

Thee Gooch: 13:59

Let me tell you, I have four children myself, two girls and two boys, and I have a granddaughter, and I'm done.

Paul Lamar Hunter: 14:14

I'm 53 years old, I'm done. Yeah, I was done. I have seven kids of my own and after the seventh one I felt it all in my back, my legs, and I was like, no, this is it. So I cut the cherry tree down and so I mean I'm done, you got to be done at some point, yes, so how was it like?

Thee Gooch: 14:38

How was it like for your entire family right around christmas? Or did you guys celebrate christmas, or uh? There were times where, uh, the community uh played a significant role in making sure that we had clothes, uh, christmas gifts, clothes, uh food in the house. I remember a time on christmas eve, uh unexpected knock at the door, reveal unexpected gifts from ordinary people in our community and gave us a Christmas tree, brought us over clothes, brought us over toys, brought us over food, and God has always had his hands on our lives and God has always provided for us when our backs was against the wall. So I really thank the community in the city of Racine, wisconsin, for coming through for us. It's different being raised in the sixties and the seventies. Now we have social media. Now, if my mom would have all these kids now, you'll see an outpour from people from around the world.

Joe: 15:40

Oh yeah.

Thee Gooch: 15:41

Giving to the Hunter family. But we were born in the 60s and 70s, so it was God timing. It wasn't man's timing.

Paul Lamar Hunter: 15:51

And then throughout your family, right, the immediate family, siblings, your parents. It was all about God, correct.

Thee Gooch: 15:59

It was all about it was it was all about. It was all about God, my mother and father. On Sundays they would get up at six in the morning. They would have my older siblings up at six in the morning because they was preparing them for life. Because they say, one day you're going to become an adult and one day you're going to have kids.

Thee Gooch: 16:20

They used to get get them up on on Saturdays and Sundays and start preparing the meal for us for the day and so and so that's what they used to do on on Sundays up in the morning at six o'clock, start preparing the meal at four noon, because at 10 o'clock we were heading the meal for noon, because at 10 o'clock we were heading over to the church and after church we would come back home and when we come back home the pastor would come over or the pastor assistant would come over and they would sit at the table and pray and bless the food and then we would dig in and eat and we would just have great, authentic conversations.

Thee Gooch: 16:59

And so when you look at this society today, no one is sitting at the table having productive conversations, you know, having a family conversation. Everybody is just sitting around watching an NFL game or NBA game, watching an NFL game or NBA game. We need to get back to. The basics of fundamentals is sit down, turning the cell phone off, turning the television off and just eating and having constructive conversation about life.

Paul Lamar Hunter: 17:28

You are absolutely right. You're absolutely right. And and us growing up? That's the way it was for us as well. Yeah, growing up, we all sat at the table.

Joe: 17:36

Yeah, or play on science with the beat every night. Yeah play outside, play outside and all that stuff you don't see that anymore. It was uh. And then to write a letter where we just write it manually and send it to a person in school.

Paul Lamar Hunter: 17:50

You know that's what I will do because I used to love to write.

Joe: 17:54

I used to love to write and I will talk to a female. You, you go well, write me a letter. So I'll write her a letter and just hey, send it to this, send it to her. And then you know, it just travels in school, you know like, you know like a mail carrier, you know, yeah, but that was the.

Thee Gooch: 18:13

We didn't have microwaves back then.

Joe: 18:17

Yeah, there's one question I want to ask you Like a personal question.

Paul Lamar Hunter: 18:21

In your book.

Joe: 18:23

I just want to get one spoiler from your book In chapter four how was it like when your brother, timothy, forced you to talk to that girl and have sex with that girl? If you don't have sex with that girl, he'll get your ass. Oh, let me tell you, tell me that story. I mean, it's really interesting. When I read it I started laughing and I go oh my gosh, dude, you know.

Thee Gooch: 18:52

She wasn't a girl, she was 46 years old. Oh yeah.

Joe: 18:55

I was 16 years old, it was was.

Thee Gooch: 18:57

I was 16 years old. So, uh, yeah, it was. It was, it was interesting. But you know, timothy was trying to make me a man and that's what he wanted to do. And and growing up, that's the way in the inner city they say I gotta make you a man. You got to sleep with this woman. That's how you become a man. Timothy did his job of introducing me to this woman. That woman taught me a lot about sex, taught me a lot about character, taught me a lot about a woman's body. I've been able to use what she gave me to disperse on other women in society.

Joe: 19:41

Yeah, that was when I read that. When I read it, I go oh my gosh dude, I go you literally. I want to ask you do you really beat you up?

Thee Gooch: 19:52

I was so afraid you got to understand I was a virgin at that time. So he you you know he grabbed me because I was like no, I'm not doing this, I'm not doing this.

Thee Gooch: 20:02

And um, he was like I, if you don't do it, I'm gonna beat your ass. So I went in there, out of fear, you know, and I had sex with the woman. And after I had sex with the woman, I went back over there and I had told him and um, I remember telling my brother greg, because my brother g had asked me did I like it? And I said no, I did not like it because this stuff came out of my penis.

Paul Lamar Hunter: 20:25

And I don't know what it was.

Thee Gooch: 20:27

And, like I said in the book, you know, two weeks later I was laying in the bed and I'm like man, that was a good feeling, I'm going to go back over there. And then, after I got out of school, I went over there and I was smashing her for about a good year or two.

Paul Lamar Hunter: 20:42

Hold on, Paul. Give me one second here, Paul. What the hell is wrong with you, Joseph? Why didn't you do this for me? Why didn't you beat me up? Why didn't you force me?

Joe: 20:53

What's going on here? Not my childhood is screwed, my childhood is screwed, my childhood is screwed, oh my God. Well, you know what? It was the reverse Gooch. You did it for me because I remember you, Because my brother, the Gooch, well like, actually had me. I think he was more handsome than me because I'm not that handsome and you know, gorgeous like he was when he was young.

Paul Lamar Hunter: 21:17

But he kind of gave me some here and there, I used to kick him down the girls yeah I'm good I'm good. Yeah, I was probably one of the biggest womanizers in the family yeah but that's, that's a whole different topic, that's another thing, yeah, but um so, getting back to Were your parents easy to talk to?

Paul Lamar Hunter: 21:39

when you guys had something on your mind, were you able to go to them? Because our parents, you know, depending on the situation, we couldn't just be like, hey, you know what, mama, I'm feeling kind of depressed. You know, those times will slap you upside the head, right, yeah?

Thee Gooch: 21:53

Yeah, my father was very easy to go to. My mother was very difficult to deal with and to go to. You have to understand that. My mother was born in in the 1930s and she experienced a lot of racism, jim Crow system, a lot of trauma in her life. Running from the KKK, her cousin at that time that was 12 years old, got caught, raped and lynched and she got away and she witnessed people being killed when she was a young child, and so it it. It just made my mother, in my opinion, very hard towards people. You understand, and that's why I tell people that you can't give what you don't have. So my mother was never, never perfect. My father was never perfect, but I think that God, um, god, put them together for a reason and, um, it was hard on my mother, and so my mother used to always tell us that there are certain things that she can't tell us, that she has to take it to her grave.

Paul Lamar Hunter: 23:13

And I would totally, 100% agree with your mom on that, because there's a lot of things I'm taking to my grave. My kids will not know certain stuff about my life, but I want and I keep reminding them. You know, when I have little hearts to hearts with my kids right, I got four here in the state of Wyoming with me when I talk to them, I always tell them, always and I constantly remind them you are going to be better than me. There is no other man in this world that's ever going to tell you that, because they'll meet men that's going to outdo them or try to outdo them. I try to outsmart them, try to do better than no. I want them to do better than me, their father, because you know I sometimes work three jobs.

Paul Lamar Hunter: 23:57

Okay, just to you know, just to make ends meet, I have a. You know I'm a. I'm a sheet rock installer and a drywall finisher. Right, it's the same thing, but I finish drywall. That's what I did on my own, how I made money, how I was able to buy a home. Now I got a full-time job because I'm just too tired man. We're tired, we're getting older and my kids need to understand. They're getting at the age where one's already here in Wyoming, one's already working and he's doing fine and good, all right, but I want him to progress. I don't want him to stay in that one job. I want him to do 20, 30 years, be ready to retire, call it good. You know, and I keep reminding, I've been working for 35 years in construction. You know, and like I'm a late bloomer, I'm buying, buying a house, you know, and I was like this house is for you guys when I go yeah, yeah but it's always a constant reminder for me.

Thee Gooch: 24:49

They, my kids, always have to do better than me, no matter what and that's the way I am with my um four children, but my four children has already done way better than me that's good I am so happy to see them doing better than me, because I always believe that when you have kids, you want them to be better than you.

Thee Gooch: 25:13

You don't want them to do less than you. Exactly so they saw how I have worked extremely hard. I talked to my kids about how it was for me growing up, because I want to be transparent. And we never had birthdays in the Hunter family, but my children, my nieces and nephews they were able to have birthday parties, you understand, and while we were celebrating their birthday parties, we were celebrating ourselves as well.

Paul Lamar Hunter: 25:47

Exactly. And it's like one of my kids, the middle child here in Wyoming. He's really good at basketball. He's really good. If it was me back in the day, if I was really good at basketball back then in the 80s, my parent would probably be like know what, just give up your dream, go work at mcdonald's, go make some money, be quiet, leave me alone, whatever. But my son, he's really good at basketball and he wants to do football.

Paul Lamar Hunter: 26:16

And I said, okay, you know you got to encourage him. He wants to do track. Okay, yeah. But I said I'm gonna say I said, listen, I'm all for you doing sports, I get it. You want to learn, you want to participate. But I'm all for you doing sports, I get it. You want to learn, you want to participate. But I'm going to tell you right now you're better at basketball than you'll ever be at football, than you'll ever be in track. Focus on basketball. And he does great. He does freaking tournaments almost every other day here where I'm at, you know, with the local kids and the schools and the reservations, and you know I'm glad to see him do that. He's really really good at it.

Joe: 26:50

And Paul. Paul was a, Paul was a coach, a basketball coach, right, Paul?

Thee Gooch: 26:54

Yes, yes, I was, and I enjoy coaching inner city kids because those kids that was on my basketball team seven of them did not have their fathers in their lives and I became a substitute father for them. I became a role model for them, even though I was their basketball coach. And those young men today are our fathers now Went to college, graduated college, have careers Some of them are teachers, principals, engineers you know they have their own careers now. And I remember talking to a coach that was on the opposite team and he called me to tell me that I was one of the best coaches in that league and I would never imagine a guy will that was my adversary will call me and tell me that I was one of the best coaches in that league and that really, really touched me. It really touched me. It really touched me. And then, when I went back home for my mom's funeral, this other coach in the league he ended up seeing me. He just wanted to let me know that you know what were coaching and you were going over the fundamentals with the kids and you told them that, hey, I'm going to turn your weakness into your strength. And he said a lot of us thought you were just crazy for teaching them, to teach them to dribble with their left hand if they were a right hand person. Yeah right, we thought you were just lazy. But when you got up in that, you know crazy, he lazy. But when you got up in that you know crazy, he said. But when you got up in that tournament, he said you guys just blew right through.

Thee Gooch: 28:53

Everybody made it to the championship game and I talk about it in the book because it plays a significant role that it's never too late. It's not how you start, it's how you finish. And I remember, you know, right before the game, my superstar said coach, we're going to win today. We're going to beat him like we beat him before, by 18. And I told him I said not today, lamonte, not today. Today is the day we win by one, two or three points. That's it. That's it. We got it. We got in that game. That first quarter, they jumped on us by nine points. It didn't rattle me. Second quarter we downed by seven. The third quarter, we downed by seven. The start of the fourth, we downed by seven. Two minutes left in the game. I call a timeout your time, your opportunity, your moment. Let's go out and win it. We came back and won the game by one point, and that's the message. The message is clear. It's not how you start, it's how you finish.

Joe: 29:54

It's how you finish Exactly. That's good, and so you have a degree as a business right.

Thee Gooch: 30:05

Yeah, I started off at Gateway Technical College, graduated in 2005. I have an associate's in supervisory management and then went to work for Chrysler. Chrysler decided to shut the plant down, moved to Mexico and took advantage of the program that they had and went to Upper Iowa University, graduated in 2012 with a bachelor's of science and business administration. And so that's the reason why I had to lay the foundation is because I did some research on my mother lineage and also my father's lineage, and what I discover is some of their relatives and stuff. They went to college, but they never completed college.

Thee Gooch: 30:49

So I decided you know what I'm going to do. I am going to complete it, and so I'm the first in the family to graduate from college with a bachelor's of science and business administration. So now, since I laid the foundation, my nieces, my nephews, relatives went back, got their bachelor's degree. Some of them has their master's degree. Some of them have their PhD degree. It's all about laying the foundation, and your listeners and viewers need to understand that if a guy from the inner city came from a family of 20 siblings grew up in poverty, can make it. They can make it as well.

Paul Lamar Hunter: 31:30

There's no excuse. Exactly None none whatsoever. Now, I don't know when I when I heard, when I heard this, I didn't know, I was kind of blown away. Is it true that a stranger gave your parents a house?

Thee Gooch: 31:44

Most definitely. My mother was pregnant with the 14 child, which is my brother, larry. He's a pastor in Memphis, tennessee. One day sheriff came knocking on the door, told them that they had 72 hours to vacate because there was too many people living in this home. So my mom and dad went to church that night. The pastor members there prayed for them. The next day the man showed up at the door knocking. My mom opened up the door and he came in, talked to my mom and dad, told him about this 18 bedroom house. He took my mom and dad to go see the house. My mom and dad told him about this 18 bedroom house. He took my mom and dad to go see the house. My mom and dad did not have four quarters 100 pennies. The man only wanted $1 for the house. So he went in his wallet and gave my mom the dollar to pay for this house. And it was. That house was a blessing to the Hunter family, yes, yeah.

Thee Gooch: 32:45

Because we were about to become homeless. So, god, like I said throughout the book, god has always provided for the Hunter family and he will continue to provide, and so that house was a blessing for the Hunter family.

Paul Lamar Hunter: 33:02

And it was an 18-bedroom house, correct?

Thee Gooch: 33:04

18-bedroom house. So you know where I was born and raised is in Wisconsin. So we have a basement, we have a chimney. It was just a beautiful house. I'm talking about a beautiful home.

Paul Lamar Hunter: 33:19

That's amazing, that's pretty cool. Yeah, oh my God. So other than that, paul, obviously your political views are on point. I mean, we're all seeing what's going on in this country and it's kind of it's kind of a horrible deal. A lot of people are struggling, um, I mean, I'm not married, I'm not worried about any of that, but I, I do have my kids and we do great. We're striving, not so much struggling, but how do you feel? Because I've always said it's been over a year now and I'm thinking it may or may not be a 2024 election. I mean, what's your opinion on that?

Thee Gooch: 33:58

Oh, it's going to happen. 2024 will be exciting, like Cat Williams said. A lot of people were going to get exposed and it had happened, and so my view on the Democrats is that they are trying to steal this election. Joe Biden was on display and it's and, and looking at Joe Biden is it's like. It's like looking at a popsicle, and when you have a popsicle and you say that popsicle is just going to mill away and that's what he did. He just, he just was a popsicle melting away in front of the world. But here's the thing what is Russia thinking right now? What is Ukraine and China is thinking right now? Who do they want in leadership in this country? Do they want a strong man like Trump, or do they want a weak man like Biden?

Paul Lamar Hunter: 35:00

I think they want a weak man like Biden.

Thee Gooch: 35:02

Yep, yep, so that's the reason why.

Thee Gooch: 35:05

You know that's one of the reasons why that you know, like I stated earlier, I used to be a Democrat, but this is the first time that I will be voting Republican. Across the across the board inner city people is coming to Donald Trump's aid because when they started to use other Black men and women to come out and get Donald Trump in the justice system, to weaponize him, to criticize him, to put a label in front of his name we can relate to that. The Hispanics people can relate to that. The blacks, the people of color, can relate to that that the criminal justice system is corrupt. So what they did was they said you know how you tell a dog, get him, get him and that dog. And so that's what they did. And they used black people to go after Donald Trump and we sitting back saying, okay, you want to play these games. If you can come after him, you're coming after us. And so you know we feel Donald Trump pain. We know what he's going through because a lot of us had experienced that, really experienced that. I experienced it myself. Here's a kicker that you guys probably don't even know Child support is not law.

Thee Gooch: 36:32

Listen to me, child support is not law. Child support is voluntary. Now the federal government outsource it to the state, whatever state you're in. I'm from the state of Wisconsin they outsource it to the state, whatever state you're in, like I'm from the state of Wisconsin, they outsource it to the state of Wisconsin. And the state of Wisconsin is supposed to follow federal laws and also follow the child support federal program, because child support is a federal program, it's not a state program. Child support is a federal program, it's not a state program. So the governor of the state of Wisconsin we call him Tony Evo, but his name is Tony Evers he looks at it and review it. Then the attorney general of that state, which is Josh Kroll, he approves it and signed it and then he takes that order and he tells his disciples to go out and get these people onto the child support program. So I have my podcast show.

Thee Gooch: 37:40

Is child support law? Child support is not law. All you have to do is read the case law Blessing versus Freestone, us versus stage. We hunt versus let better. Those case laws will free you from the child support system. That's the reason why a lot of Latinos and blacks and people of color they are educated themselves, because we don't believe what they are saying at the top. We don't believe what they are saying at the top. So what it did? It forced us to get in the books and learn for ourselves. And that's the reason why Biden put an executive order on TikTok because people were sending their message out. It was unfiltered on TikTok. So now when you make these videos and you upload it to TikTok, they have to approve it now.

Thee Gooch: 38:38

And then if they don't like it, they take it down.

Joe: 38:41

Right, that's true.

Thee Gooch: 38:43

So 2024,? Yes, I will be voting for Trump. Trump is the better. Stronger candidate Stronger candidate.

Joe: 38:54

I believe that you know what Four years ago they were like Attacking Trump and they were like If you ever vote for Trump, you'll get a beat up or a beat down or something like that. Everybody was you ever vote for Trump, you'll get a beat up or a beat down or something like that. Everybody was scared to vote for Trump because you're going to get a beat down.

Paul Lamar Hunter: 39:11

We talked about it a lot in the past podcast about how all these celebrities before Donald Trump became president, all these celebrities loved him. Wilbur Winfrey, the View, the View loved him before he became president and now that he's out of office and he became president, they fucking hate him.

Joe: 39:26

They hate him. Did you see the debate? Did you see the debate when he said that you know I did.

Paul Lamar Hunter: 39:33

I did watch the debate, but every time Biden spoke I went to the restroom. I wasn't interested. What is he going to say? He's filling the airways full of lies.

Joe: 39:44

But Trump says that like like I mean I wouldn't be here because we have a bad president.

Paul Lamar Hunter: 39:51

That's why he's becomes he's when he wants to be president, and that's exactly how this nation should see that, because if there was anybody else, that man would have gave up. Trump hasn't, after all these indictments and convictions and everything, somebody else. If it was anybody else, they would have gave up yeah, that's just the truth.

Thee Gooch: 40:10

Trump knows it's a coup and he knows it's a conspiracy. And I'm going to tell you something that you guys might not know Barack Obama is behind this. Oh, absolutely, he's the puppet master. Yeah, he is behind. He is behind this. Oh, absolutely, he's the puppet master, he is behind it. See, you know, trump was very smart. He's a very smart, articulate man.

Thee Gooch: 40:36

Trump was a Democrat, then he was a Republican. He was a Democrat, he was a Republican, but he got all the information that he needed. For the last 40 to 50 years, he'd been absorbing all of this information and he was invited to their kids recital recitals, their graduations, their homecoming, and so he was invited into their home. And so those politicians, they'll look at you. Oh, that ain't nobody but Trump. We can tell him who we kill. We can tell him how we took money from this corporation. We can tell him that ain't nobody but old Trump. And they just kept talking and talking and Trump just sitting up there saying, oh OK, I'm going to keep these receipts, I'm going to keep these receipts and then I'm going to run and he did.

Thee Gooch: 41:26

He picked the perfect time to run because nobody wanted Hillary. Hillary was a part of Bill Clinton, you know. So nobody wanted Hillary. We wanted somebody that was new, exciting and unfiltered and, like I told you guys, Trump was born on June 14th. He reminds me of my mother. I'm talking about straightforward, straightforward people.

Joe: 41:55

That's what it's called superficial.

Thee Gooch: 41:57

Yeah. And a lot of people don't like that A lot of people don't like when you just straightforward with them, yeah.

Paul Lamar Hunter: 42:07

That's what made Trump a successful president. He's a businessman. He's not a pun. He's a politician now, because he was actually. He has four years under his belt, but he's a businessman. He went in, you know, as a businessman and he took control, and he's right. Russia wouldn't have messed with with ukraine.

Thee Gooch: 42:23

No, you know no, you got to remember this. Also, remember what they were saying when he first started run, or started to run they said that we were going to go into a war. Never happened, never happened. So the Democrats are always going to disperse lies about Trump. And then democracy. I'm going to tell you this you guys really need to look up that word.

Thee Gooch: 42:48

Democracy. We're not. We are a republic. This country is a republic. It's not a democracy. So democracy means that the people that you vote for you let them in to vote, but they don't have to come and tell you anything of what they voted for. Now, under a republic, they will have to come and tell you. They have to come and inform you and then the people vote. And once the people vote on it, then they take it back to Washington DC and say, hey, this is what your people have voted on, this is what I'm going to vote on. But they don't do that. They say our democracy, our democracy is that state who wants somebody to represent them and you give them all the power. That's what democracy means that your representatives has all the power to do what they want to do and you don't have a word to say about it.

Paul Lamar Hunter: 43:53

That's true. I am so surprised that we have we haven't had a revolution where we all just take over the government, get everybody out. But you know what? At the same time, I'm not really surprised because we can't get along with each other. We're so fucking divided, we can't get along with each other.

Thee Gooch: 44:11

but that's what they want. That's what they want Now what really surprises them? Remember when Trump, a couple of weeks ago, trump was in Brooklyn? Yeah, yeah, yeah, it surprised them that Blacks and Whites and Hispanics and Latinos was there for Trump. And then here they go the next day with their excuses. Well, the Trump campaign busts them in.

Paul Lamar Hunter: 44:36

That's a bunch of bull crap and the excuses that were being made by the Democrats about Joe Biden on the debate. Oh, he had a cold, he wasn't feeling well Fucking horseshit. Next day he's at a rally and he's hollering and screaming what's going on here? But the Democratic Party believes in the lies they believe and they follow these goons and what they say. You know, because they're close minded. They're a bunch of followers and not one leader to lead them Right.

Thee Gooch: 45:20

Yeah, you know what they good at gas, like they good yeah, oh yeah, absolutely.

Paul Lamar Hunter: 45:29

They are. They are subject matter expert when it comes to gas, like that's what they good at. It's like oh, uh, trump's of. The new word now is trump's a felon. But never mind about ashley biden's uh diary. When it came out, they arrested the girl that stole the diary and did absolutely nothing to biden, because there is no uh statute of limitation when it comes to rape or sexually assaulting children, and that's exactly what he did in the shower with his nine, then nine year old daughter and the shower. You know, it's just, it's just mine, but but, but Biden's a felon, trump's a felon, yeah.

Paul Lamar Hunter: 46:05

Never nevermind everything else. Trump's a felon, yeah, never mind everything else. He's orange, he's this, he's that and you know whatever.

Thee Gooch: 46:10

Yeah, and it's a shame because they want us to buy into this felon. Yeah, felon, felon, we don't care. We want you out of the White House. We want you to say bye, bye. We want you to of the White House. We want you to say bye, bye. We want you to be in the unemployment line. You are hurting this country. Inflation is up, man, it is destroying. When you can't even go buy a car because it's up by 30 to 40 percent. You can't even get a home because it's hard on people. That's the reason why we have a lot of homeless men and women. I know people today that are sleeping in their vans, even though they have jobs, but they cannot afford to pay rent. They would rather sleep in their car or in their van than to pay rent. That's right.

Paul Lamar Hunter: 47:04

That is just mind-blowing. We need to wake up. This country needs to wake up before it's too late. Yeah.

Joe: 47:11

I mean when I go to the superstore right now, like when I go to Walmart and stuff like that you know how much I buy a lot of groceries and now it's like around at least $190, just whatever I want. Yeah, back then it was like if I buy a bread, a loaf of bread, whatever, I'll be paying at least 50 bucks at the time.

Paul Lamar Hunter: 47:34

Last week I went and bought bacon. Right, there was like no, I'm not kidding guys, there was eight pieces of bacon for like seven bucks. Yes, I was like, well, I'm going to be exaggerating. It's like maybe 12 pieces of bacon for like seven bucks. Yes, I was like well, I'm gonna be exaggerating. It's like maybe 12 pieces of bacon, whatever the point being like you used to see a full pack of bacon. When you go right now, you don't even get half of that you know, yep, well, they cut, they cut they just.

Thee Gooch: 48:00

You know, they just cut back man and uh, you get more, you get more air on your potato chips.

Paul Lamar Hunter: 48:03

Potato chips, you know they just cut back man and uh, you get more. You get more air on your potato chips. Potato chips, you know so.

Thee Gooch: 48:12

So you know, uh, I tell your listeners, your viewers, you know, uh, look at both candidates and look at who's gonna benefit you financially. Who's gonna benefit you financially? Who's going to benefit you financially Because they always talk about jobs, you know, but who's going to benefit you financially? Under Trump, we had money coming in. You know, everybody was just excited. We was working, money was coming in. Even, you know, companies were giving their employees bonuses and stuff and extra checks. But now it's just hard for people. So I just ask people hey, evaluate both candidates and see which candidate is going to benefit you on a financial level, because what they're going to do, they're going to throw out.

Thee Gooch: 49:07

Oh, what about abortion? Let me tell you something about abortion. We all know that it's our own decision, but we have to understand this when we stand before God, god gave all of us free will. So a woman, that is your body, that is your body. I can't tell you what to do, but I can tell you what the Bible says. But you have free will to do that, whatever you want to do, and I'm not going to stop you. So they might be talking about abortion. That, right there is just to distract you from the real issue. If you made money on the Trump, you should vote for him. That's all I have to say.

Joe: 49:53

On the other news I heard two days ago I don't know if it's Virginia now they want to legalize abortion. God inside the schools. Now they want to put the Ten Commandments in schools.

Paul Lamar Hunter: 50:08

What state was that?

Thee Gooch: 50:10

No, it's Louisiana Louisiana. They set up the Ten Commandments in front of the schools and also it's going to be in the school classrooms and the Democrats is filing a lawsuit against the governor of Louisiana. So the Democrats, they filed a lawsuit because you know they don't want it. They don't want the Ten Commandments in the schools. But here's the thing Under the Democrats, they would rather have a drag queen go into the school to read or satanic worshippers in school.

Thee Gooch: 50:52

Yeah, yeah, I remember that I tried to reach out to elementary schools so I could go in and read to first graders and second graders no, no. Then I found out you got a fucking queer in there reading. No, no.

Joe: 51:08

Then I found out you got a fucking queer in there reading Check this out too. That girl that did the publicity, the publicity of the Huk Tuk girl yeah, yeah, she got fired because she's a teacher from preschool, right, yes, okay. So it doesn't make sense. Why did they fire her? All she did was, huk did, was, and all that, and they fired her. But they could allow a drag queen teaching little kids in schools, right, and plus, adding sexual books and in libraries and schools too. It doesn't make sense.

Thee Gooch: 51:42

It doesn't make sense at all, and so that's the reason why I tell people all the time that we need to vote republicans.

Joe: 51:50

these democrats are getting out of hand, my brother, they just getting out of hand I think, I think, I think, uh, we just need god in, in, in our, in our country. Yeah right, that's what I, that's right and because it was like that way before.

Paul Lamar Hunter: 52:03

So I don't know if you guys heard, but um, they're trying to. It's floating around the idea about joe biden being replaced right oh yeah, yes, okay well, just so you guys know, he cannot be replaced. Um, under the 25th amendment, he cannot be replaced unless he resigns or he passes away. Other than that, they can't just say well, you got to drop out of the race and Michelle Obama is going to be the front runner now, or Gavin Newsom is going to. They can't do that.

Thee Gooch: 52:39

Oh, pretty boy, pretty boy, pretty boy. Gavin Newsom, the guy with the good hair, that's what they call him.

Joe: 52:46

But see, I think they want to force him to resign so that way he could. It's a possibility that that may happen, because he can't.

Thee Gooch: 52:54

It's a very strong possibility that he might resign. But if he does resign, it's going to be chaos in that party. It's going to be internal fighting in that party But's going to be internal fighting in that party. But I can tell you this If he doesn't resign and he goes on, if I was Trump I wouldn't debate him the second time, because now he's just been exposed and what they want to do is give him a shot in his butt of B-12 to wake his old ass up.

Thee Gooch: 53:27

You know that's what they're going to do. I wouldn't debate him a second time. I would step back and say, no, I don't need to debate him. I'm going to just take what I have from CNN and I'm going to use that to promote Look at this guy. Because the guy is clearly unfit. He's really unfit this guy. Because the guy is clearly unfit. He's really unfit, uh, uh. I felt sorry for him. It's uh, because what I saw in in joe biden is my mother used to decline that way and so, uh, joe biden is declining uh rapidly and it's time for him to give it up. And if they do do the debate, they might fall deep, deep in this abyss where they are never recovered anymore.

Joe: 54:17

I mean, you know what I have. I have a strange feeling that the way I saw him in the debate, he didn't look well. No. So I have a string. I'm going to make a prediction on this one, I think by before November. I think he's going to kick the bucket. And then I think everything is going to go chaos.

Paul Lamar Hunter: 54:38

You better watch what you say there, joe, because that's the president. Well, I know that, but I mean it's just a prediction. We all can wish. We all can wish.

Thee Gooch: 54:51

Hey, you don't want the Secret Service or the FBI coming knocking at your door the next day right.

Paul Lamar Hunter: 55:00

Open up. We see you.

Joe: 55:04

Oh my gosh, Knock, knock, knock. Where's Joe at Where's Joe?

Paul Lamar Hunter: 55:14

All right, paul. I really enjoyed this podcast. It's probably been one of the better ones. I really dig your energy, man, and we'll get to you. You want to mention your book? Out one more time the title.

Thee Gooch: 55:27

The title of my book is no Love, no Charity the Success of the 19 Child. You can get it at Barnes and Nobles, amazoncom Also, you can go and pick up my mother's book, love and Charity the Life Story of Louise Hunter in the Love and Charity Homeless Shelter. You can go out and purchase her book. You can also visit my website at paullamarhuntercom. Paullamarhuntercom. Hey guys, thank you for having me on. I enjoyed it. We're going to have to do it again Once the movie come out. I'm going back to the different podcasts that gave me an opportunity and I'm going to come back on your show and we're going to be talking about the movie.

Paul Lamar Hunter: 56:13

When you get into that star and you start shooting up into the sky with this movie coming out don't forget us.

Thee Gooch: 56:23

I will not. My brothers, I appreciate you guys.

Joe: 56:27

I only needed your autograph. That's I appreciate you guys. All I need is your autograph. That's what I need right now.

Thee Gooch: 56:30

Okay, I will get it. Send me your address and I'll send you a new book with my autograph on it.

Joe: 56:39

Great book guys. It was a great book. I just read it. I just don't want to give out the spoilers. It was only chapter four. It was an interesting book and the ending I mean you just got to read it. I read the book already. It's really interesting. It was a good ending. I really liked the ending. It was awesome.

Paul Lamar Hunter: 57:01

Joe was telling me a little bit about the book and I was like now I don't even want to buy it. But congratulations with your total success Now I don't even want to buy it.

Joe: 57:09

Congratulations with your total success. Paul, I'm really happy that you're joining us on the Talkers podcast. I'm the Gooch and I'm speaking on behalf of my other brother, remo, and my cousin, benny. Sorry he couldn't make it because they're all in the podcast themselves. They're real occupied today and I really enjoy your warmth, your comfort and your success is really great. I just hope God bless you and everything. I really appreciate you and all that.

Thee Gooch: 57:40

All right, Thank you guys.

Joe: 57:41

Have a good night, all right, paul.

Thee Gooch: 57:43

That's Paul guys.

Joe: 57:43

This is Paul. Thank you, paul. Great guy, great guy. That was a great show, guys. This is Paul, thank you.

Paul Lamar Hunter: 57:48

Paul, great guy, great guy. That was a great show, man, yes.

Joe: 57:53

I dug his energy man.

Paul Lamar Hunter: 57:54

He's got a lot of energy, really positive, positive energy considering yes.

Joe: 58:00

I was going to talk about the Medela effect. If you believe in that theory, the conspiracy theory, oh okay, but there was one that I was telling you earlier, Gooch, that I spot another one and people didn't know. And I used to see this movie. Well, I haven't seen the movie. It's with Paul Rodriguez.

Paul Lamar Hunter: 58:21

Let me guess One in a Million.

Joe: 58:23

Yes, okay, but when I was a kid, when this movie came out, I was probably like what, 15, maybe 18? I noticed it was always Juan. You know J-A-U-N, right, yeah. But now I see, wait, wait, hold on, got the wrong one. It's one a million to one. No shit, you saw that shit. The thing is I don't understand is is it a english one? No, the one is the spanish one no, there was.

Paul Lamar Hunter: 58:56

No, there was no two movies of it there was, but I always remember, I always remember that million to one was this um one one in a million to one.

Joe: 59:06

it was always million to one, but now that's what I'm trying to talk about, with the Modelo effect that's going on. So I found this really interesting. So what do you think of it?

Paul Lamar Hunter: 59:19

No, it was always a million to one.

Joe: 59:21

It was always this one, right, yeah.

Paul Lamar Hunter: 59:23

Because I remember me and mom watched it. She took me to the theaters to watch it because she loved Paul Rodriguez at the time. And yeah, it's always been a million to one J-U-A-N, not one.

Joe: 59:35

It was never a million to one, I mean one Number one, you know shit like that. That's what I found kind of interesting, like what the heck? It's another Mandela effect right there.

Paul Lamar Hunter: 59:47

I got another Mandela effect right there, I got a Mandela effect happening in my pants right now. Jeez, that was a really interesting, interesting show man.

Joe: 59:59

His book is really awesome, man. I just finished it and, like I said again, guys, it's a great book and at the end you'll trip out. So it's a great book and at the end you'll trip out, so it's kind of like interesting, you know. So real good book. I bought it on Amazon Prime Amazon. You could get it from Amazon for $20. You could always get it in an electronic book too and you could get it in Borrowers and Nobles and all that stuff right there. Paul Lamar Hunter electronic book too and you go get in Borrowers and Nobles and all that stuff. Paul Omar Hunter Great guy and yeah, he had a lot of energy, dude, he was very good.

Paul Lamar Hunter: 1:00:38

Yeah, really good Positive energy man considering. Alright, guys, I think we are it. Thank you, Gooch, no problem there.

Joe: 1:00:49

For joining in too. And one more thing, guys If you guys want to subscribe to our podcast $3 a month, you can cancel any time. The ones you can subscribe for $3 a month is the ones on my solo shots. Those are just me, the rest of us with the Talkers podcast, with the gang me, benny and the Gooch and Remo it's all free. You can support our show $3. And you can support us if you want.

Joe: 1:01:24

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Paul Lamar Hunter: 1:02:06

Gooch. Remember, guys, don't drink and drive. Walk, take a cab, uber, do anything but drink and drive. If you guys want to reach out to the Gooch, it's T-H-E-E-G-O-O-C-H-7-6 at gmailcom.

Joe: 1:02:23

There you go, guys. There you have it. Paul Lamar, hunter guys. Thank you, paul very much. See you guys. Thank you.