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Decoding Body Signals with Jen: CC and NJ Guy's Dive into Natural Health Solutions
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Tune in as we, your favorite CC and NJ Guy crew—Tom, Keny, Louis team up with the wonderful Jen from Complementary Wellness Center to unravel the mysteries of alternative medicine. This episode is a treasure trove of insights as we examine how non-traditional therapies like acupuncture and massage can change the game for managing pesky pains. We're dishing out the real talk on everything from the self-care hustle to the transformative power of tuning in to what your body's telling you. Get ready to take notes; your health routine is about to get a serious upgrade.
Ever wonder if your body's got its own cleanup crew? Well, spoiler alert: it does, and it's called autophagy. As we chew the fat on this episode, we're getting into the nitty-gritty of how fasting can kick-start this cellular deep-clean, and the surprising benefits that can come from it, like a sharper mind and better health. Plus, Jen's dropping knowledge bombs on the latest in medical tech that might just make your CPAP machine a thing of the past. If you're feeling stiff, don't sweat it—we've got easy-peasy wellness tips that'll keep you limber without turning your life upside down.
Now, you know I've got a sweet tooth, but I'm spilling the beans on my own battle with sugar and simple carbs. It's a no-holds-barred account of the ups and downs of cutting back to kick inflammation to the curb. And if you're curious about that bread that's all the rage—Dave's Killer Bread, yep, we're going there—dissecting its health creds and what makes it stand out in a sea of processed options. By the time we wrap up, you'll be armed with the wisdom to navigate the grocery aisles like a pro and make choices that'll have you feeling like a million bucks. So, grab your earbuds and let's get this party started.
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Conversation on Alternative Medicine
Speaker 1Cotman, crawford and the Jersey Guy podcast.
Speaker 2Hey everybody, kenny Cotman Lewis.
Speaker 1Crawford and I'm Tom Remmage, the Jersey Guy.
Speaker 2Hello, hello, hello. Welcome back everybody. What's going on?
Speaker 1It's good to be back. We were off for a while and I'm excited to be back Holidays. Yeah, well for the holidays. So hope everybody had a good.
Speaker 2Christmas yeah, had a good Christmas. Hanukkah, kwanzaa, new Year whatever Festivus. Festivus for the Festivus, that's right, yes, man so hope everybody had a good time. Yes, yes, yes, good, good, good. So we're going to start off with a bang. We have a guest tonight.
Speaker 1Yeah, so we have Jen from Complementary Wellness Center. Yep, yes, okay, yep, we're going to do.
Speaker 3Tonight's topic is going to be on alternative medicine.
Speaker 1Yes, yes.
Speaker 3So, and Jen Aito-Jim, be perfect for that specific topic. Yes, because of what she does in the field that she's in, and just so we know. I know Jen for a while, a long time, and she's been really helpful for me, for my, you know, so I'm glad to have her on. She's actually her who was like hey, if you ever want somebody, I'm like I took her up on her offer.
Speaker 2So we're going to talk about it. So talk to us, jen. Tell us a little bit about yourself, or tell our listeners.
Speaker 4My name is Jenny, I'm a licensed massage therapist in the state of New York and I am a co-owner at the Complementary Wellness Center, as you mentioned, my business partners and acupuncturists, and what we do is we provide complimentary or alternative medicine to individuals to help treat a wide variety of conditions and injuries, and it's infinite what we, the people we work with- yeah, that's awesome, yeah, that's cool, that is awesome.
Speaker 2So you know, do alternative medicine. So, like I guess, what would you suggest for? I don't know, pick one now you. So you do your martial arts stuff, right, you know. So we'll talk about usually it's my.
Speaker 3Usually it's either my back or my head or something, sometimes my shoulders it depends on what it is but sometimes I'll have one spot that is usually my troubled area and that's usually Okay.
Speaker 2So then I say for so for muscle, so back muscle pain, lower muscle pain. I mean that kind of active. What's something good to you to do?
Speaker 4Well one. You have to be making sure you're warming up and cooling down, and it was good with that kind of stuff. Ice is always the key.
Speaker 2Right.
Speaker 4Ice is the number one thing. A lot of people think heat. No, you don't want to stay away from heat, because if you're, you have pain, you have soreness, you have inflammation in the body. And what's going to cool down inflammation? Or heat ice?
Speaker 2Okay.
Speaker 4So usually, if most 90, 95% of the time is somebody has something going on, ice is the way to go. 20 minutes you have a headache. Put it at the back of your head right. Your sore from anything like that. Activities working out martial arts.
Speaker 2Yeah, whatever, right, I mean yeah yeah, no definitely Whatever works. So now just doing the icing and not taking, let's say, like a, because it was anti-inflammatory, like it might be pro-fine or an aproxen. Well, no, I'm saying instead of that, right, so then the alternative would be no, no, no alternative. Well, not alternative from the, from a Tylenol or exeggents or whatever Would there be like, say, a vitamin or supplement?
Speaker 4Well, that you don't want to, necessarily. I can't go into specific like take this vitamins or minerals because that's subject, that's everybody has their own. I've talked about that before Anybody has their own dosage or something they might need you know, but yes, your diet and your nutrition, you know, making sure you're getting adequate protein and water you know ice and water you're number one, things you know ice and water and, of course, you know the massage.
Speaker 4What I do does help. You're loosening up the muscle tissues. We prepare the muscles to work out or do active things, no matter what it is, even if you work at a desk. You know it's a lot of people work at a desk. They have repetitive injuries of their neck, their head, headaches, and get in there and loosen it up. Acupuncture to bring down inflammation. But yeah, instead of something like taking an oral medication like ibuprofen or Tylenol or some of these other things, they're just bringing down inflammation. So, instead of taking their medication, do the ice and water yeah.
Speaker 3Right, okay.
Speaker 2Okay, yeah.
Speaker 3I mean usually, if it's that bad, you're going to go to wind up, going to urgent care for something right, oh yeah, and if you're in that, that kind of pain, but hopefully you know if it's something you can get through yourself. You know like I do a lot of stretching on my own, you know I do that. I have stuff that I try to do my own, that I have in my little dojo.
Speaker 2Right, right right.
Speaker 3And it helps, you know, and I do the stretching and I make sure I'm trying to strengthen the leg or whatever it's going on and just try to do more on my own. I don't want to go on meds or anything like that, and I'm more to the alternative. That's why I like all that stuff you know, massage, acupuncture, right. There's a whole bunch of different ones to that you can do.
Speaker 3You know there's so much you can do. Now. It's crazy. And now, right now, they're doing the instead of the surgery. Right, they're doing the. Oh, come on, help me out.
Speaker 2The. What With the?
Speaker 3you have to travel out of the country now for it, if you want to do it for yourself and get it the you know they injected, in which his face was talking about.
Speaker 1Oh, oh oh.
Speaker 3I can't think of any of that Anyway.
Speaker 1It was not stem cells. Yes, I'm so sorry, I apologize people.
Speaker 3Very far. But stem cells is what I was saying, because that's a big thing now and a lot of people travel in other countries because in the United States they're really not doing it.
Speaker 2Hmm.
Speaker 3You wouldn't unless you. I guess you have money here, but ever but, people are going out of the country and getting it done, but we're the need for their back, for their shoulder and it works.
Speaker 1What do they get the stem cells from?
Speaker 3It's like fetus. Yes, yes, yes, a bunch of different things.
Speaker 4It wouldn't necessarily be fetuses. It's usually like the umbilical cord.
Speaker 3Right, I think it's the placenta as well, I believe, yeah.
Speaker 4That has a lot of.
Speaker 2The stem cells are not acidity to blood flow to it, that's what it all is.
Speaker 4So it's a lot of cells that can help other things grow.
Speaker 2See, that's just me. I thought it was like they just used it off here. Like your own person, your own body.
Speaker 3You took it off for you and no, I don't know, they can do that, but that's probably not.
Speaker 4There are things like that, but now you're getting more into like bone marrow right, yeah, that's more invasive, but let's say, on the easier scale, yeah, so a lot of people.
Speaker 3Doing that. They're going out of the country and pain because, it's easy to do it somewhere else and cheaper, and it's still the same medical. You know, it's just allowed there. Right so that here it's still in the, you know the, not everybody can get you and if you can, it's super expensive. Yeah, I'm sure, yeah, it's like way that you and I can never even well you know, maybe our kids kids will be.
Speaker 2Yeah, no, it's a point. You know what I?
Speaker 3mean but, but it's, but it's a good way to go the right direction. You know I'm saying so. You know, taking from the body what could actually help your body right. So it's You're just using what's already there.
Speaker 1Yeah, exactly that's there.
Speaker 3I mean, so you're not. So I guess a lot of people make a big deal about it. I mean, I look at it as this, but if that's what we can get it from, rather than trying to make it in a lab or you Right that way, then I think we're better off going in that direction than versus going the other way. Well, you know it's right. You agree with that at all.
Speaker 4Yeah, I agree like it's. It's. There's a fine line of all this stuff. You know, what I mean too, and and you know that the one thing that our country is is Regulations, and a lot of times it does take time for us to be have accessibility to things, but yeah, it's more of something coming from you or something we can nourish your body from then right an outside source.
Speaker 1We're gonna say Tom, and speaking of stem cells is an interesting thing with the research that they're finding on fasting, you know.
Speaker 3I.
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Speaker 1Done a few. You know me, I've done a couple like I've done a few, you know, years ago, a few years ago, like water fast. I've done like five-day water fast. Well, I guess I got a seven days. That was a little much, but yeah. So and they say, like your body goes through autophagy, which is they give a Japanese, like a researcher, like give them a Nobel Prize for this. So basically what happens is your, your body, your cells, your good cells, consume, like the dead cells are floating around, and Also that's, and that's part of autophagy. You'll get like tightening it and you shot the brain.
Speaker 3Yeah, and you shot the brain.
Speaker 1I heard too as well.
Speaker 3That helps yeah with the brain as well.
Speaker 1Yeah, they and they say Well, your brain functions better when it's on ketosis, because you're just like burning your own body fat. So, but the what was the other thing I was finding about?
Speaker 2it.
Speaker 1Yeah, the autophagy, oh, that's. Your body starts producing some, some stem cells right when you go, I think after like three or four days in a fast.
Speaker 3That's awesome. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So, yeah, that's that's what so cool about it, because you know, actually just using what's Ori there, and then just they're tapping into it Now, where they can do it with technology that they couldn't do before.
Speaker 4You know shit out of Star Trek and Look CPAP machines right, you can have a device installed right and you no longer have the mask really. Yeah, you have to qualify like but yeah, you, it's just like a device that I think goes in your chest. And now you don't have to worry about the big machine, right? And sleep, divorced and all that right exactly. My father had to do that. And how many people don't do it because they don't want to wear that right?
Speaker 3They don't like the way it feels, or they're not comfortable, they can sleep. So they just say, right, screw it, you know.
Speaker 2That's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 3And you always have to clean it.
Speaker 2You know it's right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3Absolutely. You know a lot of people just Don't want to be bothered. Yeah, some will do it though. My father did it. He made sure it was clean, he got it fixed all the time and right always something going on with the damn thing.
Speaker 2So that's insane.
Speaker 3So, yeah, no, that's cool that that happens. You know, did you guys ever see a woman? She's on. She's on our Instagram page Barbara O'Neill. Yeah, yes, yes, yes, she's from Australia and she talks about all of Of the natural things that are there already for us right, not only with body but in herbs.
Speaker 3Yeah, yeah, okay, you know from you know just, you know, things of that nature that can be so helpful for you rather than having to go on a prescription drug, right? You know, um, that when you watch the tv channel and they just say, hey, we got so and so and it's gonna, you know, your ass is gonna fall out and all this other shit's gonna happen.
Speaker 1But you know it will help the other thing.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1All these other things where your asshole fall out, that's fun, yeah those commercials are like List of things may be death, yeah, suffering, you know pain, yeah exactly that's fun, all right, so, jen, so talk to us.
Speaker 2What else, what else do you Recommend? I guess we'll say, for you know anything that give us, even you know more.
Speaker 4Well, I mean, the number one thing that I think that a lot of people have to learn to do is learn to listen to your body, and that's first and foremost because you're the advocate for you, and if you're the one that can explain to the doctor, we have to be grateful for western medicine. We have diagnostics, we have intervention for a lot of things, so it's not like, oh, just alternative.
Speaker 2Right, right right eastern or whatever you want about medicine.
Speaker 4But you have to know yourself, know you. Know what your normal blood pressure is, know what your normal heart rate is, no, just how you feel in general. Some people can't tell you and say like, oh yeah, I wake up with no problem, I like they, they want to search for it. So that's first and foremost, but to and being an advocate for yourself. But you know, walking is a great, just basic exercise that most people should be doing anyway, just to keep your body agile With your heart rate. That's like the number one thing is walking. Everybody recommends.
Speaker 2Yeah, yes.
Speaker 4Stretching, as we discussed, for pliability of your muscles and your joints and your bones. Your the the strength and health of your bones. So, and stretching should number one thing that I tell people stretching should not be painful. You know, in addition to what I do, I am also a personal trainer, so I do have a background in that and nutritional counseling. So, um, you know, in regard to that, stretching should not be painful. You go to a point where you feel the stretch, you hold it, don't hold your breath, you breathe, and just a little of that each day goes a long way, you know. So, before you know it, you'll touch your toes. Nobody has to do.
Speaker 1Right it's on your leg, doesn't?
Speaker 3have to go behind your head. Yeah, yeah right.
Speaker 4Yeah, everybody has a different level of flexibility to begin with, right yeah okay.
Speaker 2So then stretch before going to work, kind of thing, like straight, make it like a routine stretch every morning or stretching the evening. What, matter of fact, even with that, is it better to stretch before? Let's say, um, I would say just so much, uh, a workout. But I said I get, I get up in the morning, I jump in the shower, um, I get dressed and I need to go to work. So, like, should I set up now time, or should everybody, I guess, would say, set up time to be able to, well, just to stretch and Just to get everything pumping?
Speaker 4Yeah.
Speaker 3I'm sorry. Okay, just say I do every morning. Okay, when I get out of bed. I think, they don't have like routine take dogs, I go upstairs, then I do it.
Speaker 3Okay then I do my routine to go get ready for work, and then I get out, and then at night I do it again. So I do it both because it helps with getting your circulation going and getting up and getting ready for the day, right, and then and loosen it up Right, you're not going out stiff, right? Yeah, whatever it is you decide to do, and then when night, it helps you go to sleep because you're a little bit more relaxed and you know you're the same principle one of the actually the best things that you can do in the evening if you're having or I recommend to people if you're having trouble sleeping.
Speaker 4Right is, you take a warm shower, because the shower, the, the warmth calms your body and it's also warming everything up to to make sure everything's pliable. And then you stretch, and by stretching you are working the meridians of the body as well and you're calming yourself. So you're ready to sleep.
Speaker 2Meridians, bro, see. So now the funny I'm sorry I got no, no, no, go ahead. So that then. The funny for me is that as soon as I get home from work so I get out of work around 3, 34 o'clock I go home by 4, 15, 4, 30. I'm already shiring and then just, you know, laying back and relaxing for the rest of the night. Never thought of that. So now should I shower, or take a shower closer to bedtime and do the stretching, or just doesn't?
Speaker 4Well, it's, it's everybody's different.
Speaker 3So we're talking, you gotta take your own place, right.
Speaker 4We're talking like okay, this is right, this is wrong, you know.
Speaker 3There's no right or wrong.
Speaker 4They're really the number one problem. Cool, done, cool, I hate to say. The problem that we have is that time.
Speaker 2Everybody is like I don't have time, I don't have time.
Speaker 4So wherever time it works for you.
Speaker 2Okay.
Speaker 4You know, yes, in the morning you can. It can help, you know, doing some kind of physical activity in the morning, even if it's 10 minutes, has known, been known to like really give you the energy and like going for the day. So for some people it might be in the morning, some people might be in the evening, cause that's what you want. Maybe some people it's both, you know, in a workout you know. Yeah, you would hope you could do it in the beginning and the end.
Speaker 4Different type of stretching, but most people don't have that time or don't make the time, so it usually is at the end or unfortunately not at all. And then that's then they come see me.
Speaker 3Yeah, because they didn't stretch. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're in a shit world of trouble.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 3And I do it at work too, like if, if I get out of the truck.
Speaker 2I make sure.
Speaker 3I stretch, yeah, so it's just it doesn't. I think that's what Jen hit on with at the time. It's really not a lot of time.
Speaker 2Yeah, no, no, no.
Speaker 3It'll take you like a few, if a minute, the most right To like if you're just going to stretch your hamstrings or your you know what I mean, right. Or just up in the air side to side, whatever it is. Yeah, it shouldn't be a a whole day. All right, I gotta take 10 minutes to do a.
Speaker 2Okay, cece, and then that now you just change that up too, because for me I'm thinking like you know, stretching down, touching your toes, like I'm not so much, I'm like how much time is going to take to actually do the stretch? It was just more of what was said, the first part of my question. Should I do it closer to bedtime as opposed to doing it Cause, like I don't go to bed until like 10 o'clock?
Speaker 4Right, You're saying if you come home and take that shower, you don't have to. If you come home and take the shower and you want to do it, then do it then.
Speaker 2Okay.
Speaker 4But you can do it closer If you. If you're having, like, maybe, a little difficulty with your sleeping or falling asleep, then you know what. You don't have to take the shower right before. You can, just hey, right before you go to bed, take a few deep breaths, you know, and just do some stretching.
Speaker 3Okay, okay, cool, be yes Again. Whatever is good for you. You just gotta figure oh, I do it this well. All right, that's a good idea. I'll do it then. And basically stretching it doesn't have to be like everybody else.
Speaker 4Yeah, and it's different. You're finishing a workout. You can do different stretch after a workout that you would before a workout or the type of training you know. If you're doing martial arts, you're going to do a lot different stretching than somebody who's a swimmer.
Speaker 2Mm-hmm, you know, yeah, see, because I don't even know the difference between the stretches, like what would be different from.
Speaker 3There's just basic stuff, I mean this stuff I can show you, you know that wouldn't be too complicated or hurt you.
Speaker 1You know what I mean. Yeah, who's always good with that, I remember.
Speaker 4There's active stretching, where you're stretching yourself. There's passive stretching where, like, maybe I'm working on somebody and I'm doing the movement, so you're completely. So there's that. There's where you can use like a foam roller or you could use like a towel, even to stretch yourself. So there's different types of stretching. Right, this is a little fun fact the Olympic teams have massage therapists.
Speaker 2Right.
Speaker 4Yeah.
Speaker 1Athletic trainers and things.
Speaker 4But you it's very structured what you can and can't do. Gotcha I've been asked to do the US Open. I haven't done it yet, but they you have to go and it's like before there's a certain type you do and there's you're doing something more stimulating.
Speaker 2OK, at the end.
Speaker 4you're doing something to come, but you cannot do Like I wouldn't be able to stretch as a massage therapist. They'd be like nope, because you're not going to mess with anything like that Right, just there?
Speaker 1No, that makes sense.
Speaker 4You're there to stimulate and warm up, and you're there to say hey, thank you for what you did.
Speaker 2Right, you know, for in that instance yeah, we do more, but for that case alone. Mm, hmm, yes, you guys said I was, because then you were still so just saying alternative medicine right For me in my head, as I said, is taking supplements. I wasn't even thinking about like doing the stretching. You know, was that I'm thinking more nutrition.
Speaker 1Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2Thinking, like I said, I wasn't even thinking about just the stretching, like I didn't even think that I didn't do with that.
Speaker 3Here's the main thing and this is the thing that Tonya and I talk about is that we're getting older now, right? So it's going to be harder the longer you wait. It's going to be harder for you to get looser, at least.
Speaker 2Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and I see where people like my brother Michael.
Speaker 3He's just starting to go to chiropractic. He's been doing maybe close to a year now. But it was hard for him in the beginning and then now he started to realize, oh, this is loosening up and oh, I can do this when I'm at home or I can do that. So once you, you figure, like we generally say, you find the time, and then you find the stretches that work for you particularly it doesn't have to be a whole regiment of them Right.
Speaker 3It could be like two or three. That's all you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4And we're talking stretching. But you're very right, there's tons of other things. When we talk alternative message medicine, we're talking things outside of like your typical per script.
Speaker 1You mean right now non alleopathic medicine.
Speaker 4Right, exactly so we're talking about alleopathic medicine is like leave it to Jersey guidance, those words.
Speaker 1Allopathic medicine is like MD stuff, like an MD, like you'd see an MD for Right, cool and even at that.
Alternative Medicine, Food Safety, Ice Baths
Speaker 4You can find MDs that will support alternative medicine, and you just have to find what's right for you. Find, you know. So that can include diet and nutrition. Of course. Chiropractic care, massage therapy, acupuncture, physical therapy can be alternative medicine. You know, sometimes it's like oh well, you might have to have surgery, but let's try some physical therapy, let's try some massage therapy and sometimes people can do things that will avoid surgical or vision, but the key thing is knowing that there's no cookie cutter thing for everybody.
Speaker 2Okay.
Speaker 4Everybody has to find their own thing, and there's usually if something's bothering you, you have a pain or you have something on it. It didn't happen overnight.
Speaker 2It's not going to go away overnight.
Speaker 4So, like you said, with your brother going for the chiropractic care some people think oh, once I start this, I got to keep going. Well, you get yourself on a maintenance right, you know because the problem is is that if someone's coming to see me and you're paying your discomforts in eight out of 10, hopefully you leave me and it's a zero but let's say you're a three or four, you don't want it to get back up. So you're getting back up to that sick like you find your maintenance right.
Speaker 3You know, for whatever it is, chiro acupuncture exercise you know, or a combination of some of them, all of them. That's what you would hope for, right.
Speaker 1You know it is funny though, how, like when you say like alternative medicine, like what people think of as alternative medicine, like you were thinking of the nutrition stuff, right, it's like you get your endies? You ever hear an endy?
Speaker 1No, like an endy, endy neuropathic doctors there's actually doctors that specialize, like they go for diet. I actually was following this really cool doctor on YouTube, dr Glidden, and he like talks about like the 10 foods not to eat and stuff. It's interesting, like some things. Like it's just like I showed it to Lou one time when we were working together. Like he says, like you know, don't drink, you know a carbonate beverage with a meal, and he said something about like because we're like stomach or whatever.
Speaker 3Right, you should eat first before you drink it. You know how they bring you the drink first, yeah, and they say hey, would you like something to drink? Yeah, it's actually in the wrong order. You should be drinking first and having the drink afterwards? Right, because what you're doing is because the carbonation does something, and it doesn't help with digestion as well Either, so it's better to get it to come from behind rather than you know, you know, I'm saying wrong choice of words. My bed.
Speaker 1Yeah, I do remember when you yeah, and I forget a bunch of stuff like, yeah, I'm like an oil and a bottle he said is not good because the ox's a station, right like. But he goes into the scientific how, like you know, oil like at a high temperature, like Some kind of like carcinogen or whatever, like he does what's us to happen with it.
Speaker 3Yeah, it's crazy, it's fun.
Speaker 4Yeah, I'm sorry, I don't mean ever but it's funny you say that because that comes down to food safety.
Speaker 4Yeah, right, yeah yeah like you know when you put something if something's hot and you, you're done making soup. Yeah you're actually not supposed to fill the containers all the way. You're supposed to like, bring it down a bit, and you have to make sure everything is completely cooled before you put it in the freezer for that reason because, yeah, cuz the temperature and if cuz something, even though you think it's cooled, the inside could still be warm. You put it in the cold and now you have a bacteria that grows.
Speaker 4Yep, yeah, so those little things are just how many people have food poisoning. You could eat the same thing. You three people could eat chicken tuna salad and one person gets sick because it doesn't mean, it's in the Whole thing.
Speaker 1Yeah, it could be just. Yeah, cuz, maybe someone was. Someone walked by or someone was someone that was making the tuna salad. They, like, had wet hands and their hand dripped and there was like bacteria on it, and then it just grows.
Speaker 2Bro, anything, yeah, yeah, no mobile faith for me.
Speaker 1But yeah, so it's. So. As I was saying, like people think of different things and what people sell turn medicine I the first thing I think of is like body hacking stuff. I love like the big thing now is with that I mean it's not new, but it's become more mainstream is like the ice. I was just good to talk about it.
Speaker 3Yeah, I spent. That's a big thing.
Speaker 1I want to try. I do too, you know. You know, what I started doing too is that, cuz I read that, like I do, the cold shower thing, I take my, I take like a.
Speaker 2That's a different thing. That's another show, cold show.
Speaker 1I do. I know they say not to do it too late at night, but like I do like. But like, if I take a shower down day at night I do lower the do it after a workout afterwards I lower the temperature of the cool body, hit my air. It's supposed to be good for your immune system and right.
Speaker 4Five minutes. Yeah, yeah, it doesn't have to be ice cold.
Speaker 1Like if you touch it with your hand, it feels cool. You know what I?
Speaker 3mean.
Speaker 1Yeah, touch the streamer, your hand feels cool. That's the best way to test because on your body it's more sensitive. May touch your hands slightly, cool, that's good. But yeah, I was watching the ice bath things and like I was watching a video. This woman, she like shit. I'm really nice scenic area where she lived but she had like a 55 gallon drum and her backyard and in the winter what, like just filled with water and she's like pulled the ice ice off.
Speaker 1I saw that and then she went in and she's, and then like after two minutes she's like she's relaxed.
Speaker 3Yeah, yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 1Maybe you know better, but, like they say, like all the blood kind of like leaves your like skin to keep your body warm and then so like when you get out, you're all red and they need get what's called like a burn or something like that. That's just your blood coming back.
Speaker 3It's a big thing. Everybody's doing it now.
Speaker 4Yeah, you, and that's only for a short mirror time. Yeah, creating. But the intention is what we started with it's reducing inflammation in the body exactly inflammation is your body's defense.
Speaker 3Yeah, so it's always fighting off something yeah she ice beds may help improve alertness, reduce pain, decreased inflammation. As a result, they may offer the benefits of like reduced muscle soreness, pain relief and improve mood. However, the research is very limited and there are also many potential risks, so right, you have to make sure you're doing it and being smart about it, just like anything, yeah even vitamins.
Speaker 4Lou and I have had that conversation before right. Vitamins Not saying anything against right now, but they are not regulated by the FDA.
Speaker 3No, they're not so anybody again.
Speaker 4Some people like oh, I need vitamin C that make that's for this, but you can actually become toxic in them as well. Or you're getting too much right as long as well as deficient, so so didn't even the directions. May not maybe too much if you read any of the vitamins they will say recommended daily. Yeah so they, that's their recommended amount, even with your diet. So if you're somebody weets oranges, like three oranges a day and now you're taking vitamin C on top of it, you know oh.
Speaker 2Right, I didn't think about that.
Speaker 4Yeah, just for an example. Yeah, yeah, no, I get that people are deficient in some right, but with anything you what the point you're getting at is. You do have to consult. Like don't think that you're gonna just go out and be like, oh, I'm just gonna do right or do that you don't know, and I have no one people to be toxic in because they but it. You know you have to, you have to gauge it a lot of things.
Speaker 1There's not one cookie cutter thing for anything. Yeah, it's always best to research stuff. Yeah like ice bath thing, like don't be, like I'm just gonna take the cover off my pool the back.
Speaker 3I can't yell yeah.
Speaker 4Yeah, yeah, yeah, no cracker Like an hour and it's like no, no, no, it's more like five minutes.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, that's not for now. Yeah, no shit.
Speaker 1See, so now. Yeah, so someone happened to Jack. Yeah.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 3She let him go, and they could have both floated together on that door.
Speaker 4Yeah, they could have they proved it, did you see that there is an actual raft that you can get for your pool and it's that size.
Speaker 2No.
Speaker 3You can like hey could Jack.
Speaker 1Man no you know, we messed up if the raft came with a silhouette of Jack like, like, like an actual, like frozen Jack on it. Oh no, he's seen those. That's where I go.
Speaker 4with that I'm gonna put you on Shark Tank.
Speaker 2You can just watch that, yes that is the point.
Speaker 1You can never let go, yeah.
Speaker 3That is the point or like there's a weight in it?
Speaker 4Yeah.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, right, look mom, look what I did. Jack is gone. No, you guys are crazy. You guys are crazy. And I see, and I didn't even start off the year like that, I'm just like you know first episode back, and that was y'all.
Speaker 1You know I can't help myself.
Speaker 2Alright. So now question in the morning now said it's winter time here for us. I feel, maybe because I've done it for so long, I take a warm, hot shower in the morning before I leave, because it says winter time, everything hurts if I don't. Is that more of a mental or is it a reality? And I say like that because, if so, I have arthritis my whole left side. So now if I take a warm shower I feel nice and warm, my joints feel good and I go to work. Would it be better to then now take a colder shower, cooler shower, before I leave to go to work?
Speaker 4Well, it's like warming up for a workout. Okay getting up, you're getting your body moving for the day, so it's not detrimental to do that, I mean. But you can do what we discussed Take a warm shower and then like a couple minutes on the cool setting, which, because again the heat, feels good. Right, arthritis is inflammation, right, right.
Speaker 2Right the time.
Speaker 4You see, it is an order to inflammation. So that's heat. So the heat usually feels good. But because it gets the blood flow so that and you're going to work, you're, you know, active, you're doing things, but yeah, let's say, if that was only short lived and like within, you know you get out of the shower within 10 minutes, you're like oh man, I feel all flared up.
Speaker 4Yeah, maybe that cold water at the end of the shower but it's not detrimental to take a warm shower in the morning, because, again, it's like a warm up you're warming your muscles.
Speaker 1Yeah, it's cold.
Speaker 4We stay in one position all night usually.
Speaker 1Right. I find the combination of the hot and cold works well because like you're hot and you're getting like the blood flowing or the warm you know, and then when you switch to cold, like it really like it's like right, makes you like awake, because you do it gradually, you don't just play around and go yeah. Slowly change, you know yeah it's not just like I have it at like 85 degrees now I have it at 40.
Speaker 2You know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I say because it's just I don't stretch. And you know, I guess it was enough. I know I don't stretch enough, but you know I go, I take a shower, take a hot shower, go into the bedroom, get dressed and then when I come out you know that's when I do like you were saying earlier you know, do the regular stretching, you know, you know elbow behind the head kind of thing, and you know just Pressure on the wall kind of stuff, and then that's it, you know. And then go to work. I still feel the sort of, you know I said the joints with the arthritis. So now you're saying that I'm gonna have to try that out and, yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 3Okay, and slowly.
Speaker 4I'm sorry and again, whatever might work for you right be different for someone else.
Speaker 2Yeah, right it is.
Speaker 4It is like I'm saying If that's why I say 95% of the time you want to go ice, there's ever, once in a while, somebody has something different.
Speaker 2Mm-hmm.
Speaker 4They find really, maybe there's something else going on though right?
Cutting Back on Sugar and Carbs
Speaker 2Yeah, no, but I'm willing to give it a shot. I just said cuz I'm Almost constantly in pain, you know. So, trying to do this, little things make changes next time. We were talking earlier, we were talking about cutting back on certain foods. You know like we've been cutting back on sugar and stuff, right, and you know I.
Speaker 1I feel the difference.
Speaker 3Yeah, just cutting back and sugar that I have. Sugar is not good for inflammation and and dairy right, well, I'm lactose so I'm okay.
Speaker 4But like you know, there are alternatives to that. That's a good example. Alternative medicine right, you can do almond milk or, you know, coconut different things like that, but yeah, dairy can is an inflammatory. The sugar, like you said there's there's a lot of different things, you know and it's finding a balance. You know I'm I'm one that I feel like. You know it doesn't mean you necessarily have to cut and kill everything out of you.
Speaker 2You know, right.
Speaker 3Yeah, Tonya and I right now are on a 21 day Sugar detox right, but that means also pasta bread. Yeah, all of that so anything that creates sugar in your body. It may not be going in that way, so that's why it's gonna process.
Speaker 2Yeah so you gotta get off it right.
Speaker 3So now I'm doing um. So now I'm doing that and I'm finding it that it's not as easy as I thought it was gonna be. And I don't eat a lot of bread and I don't eat a lot of pasta. I do have a sweet tooth. You know, I had to cut the sugar out of my coffee because I can't have that in there. I'm just doing with the cream, which is fine. I can do that. So I'm making adjustments, right, oh, and I'm getting through it, you know. I mean so it's, but it's gonna be worth it, because I think the whole point of it when we get to the last day is where okay. So now, if you want this stuff, you only have it when, let's say, you go out to eat on the weekends and you have a dessert or you go to the movies. You know when I waste having it in the house all the time because we were having stuff and now it's my baby. It's just too much stuff in here, right, it's just too easy to go and grab it and have it and that's not really good for you and portion control
Speaker 4right, no it's not like Again, don't have it, but like or or an alternative. So, instead of maybe using sugar, like, use honey, or I know right, you want to make some.
Speaker 3I can't even use honey yet.
Speaker 4Yeah, yeah, well, and every and again. However, there's different things. But I'm just saying, come back or like, okay, maybe keep a bag of Hershey kisses in your house, but like don't eat out of the bag, like take two.
Speaker 2How many people? Eat a bag of chips yeah right, they don't pour it in a bowl right not to like put it in a bowl right portion, you know right, you let your kid at 10 sitting eat and no, just stick their hand right.
Speaker 3You know like the problem to you.
Speaker 3Yeah right because what happens is portion control, like Jen says, and but I think now, like when we were younger, mm-hmm, we didn't have as much as we have. That is so accessible to us. Now we can get anything we want. Man. I mean you, you right, when you can order anything you want, it'll be there tomorrow, right? Whatever food you're looking for, you know, if it's not one, so you get another store, but there's always. But now it's so much more accessible than it was when you and I were growing up.
Speaker 2We were out, we were running around right once in front of we were burning it off right, we would you know, and but Right and we.
Speaker 3but it was more than portion control, because we were going home to eat Mm-hmm, we were doing it like we had a structure right now. It's so much different now and yeah now that you have, everybody has that at easy, or I can get it one, two, three.
Speaker 2Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3It just. That's really can be a issue too, you know, okay, right, all right. So now we're saying that maybe not everybody, but oh yeah, no, no definitely.
Speaker 2So now we're saying, like the past is, or those carbs you said they were, what carbs?
Speaker 4simple, simple carbs.
Speaker 2So now eating those simple carbs that make the sugar right. What is the alternative for those? I love pasta, I love the rice, I love potatoes, said then you know what?
Speaker 3else matter of. I Would think sorry, jen. No no but I think it's just a matter of, like Jen's number or four portion control. Oh yeah, no doubt not as often as you would normally do it. Yeah you know, bring it back a little bit, Say alright, maybe this week We'll do pasta on this day and then rice on that. You know, I mean like mm-hmm Once a week, something right?
Speaker 4yeah, you can do things like there's. You know, instead of white rice, maybe whole grain rice okay or like Yellow rice gives a nice change to it. But or like instead of pasta, you do have whole grain pasta, you can have cauliflower.
Speaker 3That's what's gonna.
Speaker 4Okay, yeah, I got a lot of those things you can get, even in the frozen. Yeah, yes, you know if you're gonna go with produce, that's you know. I don't tell try to shun people for not having fresh produce, but you can, because you can get frozen stuff.
Speaker 1Right, right, yeah, yeah, yeah try to stay away from can, but it's still better if you're getting vegetables better than not you know, so but yeah, rice, rice, cauliflower they also have pastas are made, but it takes getting used to because the texture is not the same, but they have, like you know, they have like lentil pasta made from lentils. They have pasta made from like different stuff right you know that are that, are not that the traditional?
Speaker 2So, yeah, well, like I had, we had gotten whole wheat pasta, and when I'm meeting the box it's like more sugar than well, the the difference is is that I know as it is like we talk this is another day, it's good, it's a more complex thing.
Speaker 3Right, exactly.
Speaker 4It's science and chemistry right, but to sum it up, you have simple sugars that we mentioned and then you have more complex sugars. Mm-hmm those complex sugars fuel you and are like fiber, whereas the simple sugars poison. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah banana is a good example. To take a banana, that's not right. You know when you first have it they have complex sugars. It's not a sweet, you know most people like I want it to get darker. When it gets darker, it now becomes a simple sugar, because the banana is trying to preserve itself.
Speaker 4Got you so those you would want to like. If you're making a smoothie, probably want something, or?
Speaker 3freeze your bananas, I do them. I do that so, like if they do get talked like that, I'll just throw them in the freezer and then I'll freeze only that before they go bad.
Speaker 4Yeah, but.
Speaker 3I also heard that even the ones that get really, really ripe.
Speaker 1Yeah it.
Speaker 3Something happens to the banana where it's actually helpful for other elements that people may have that it can help out with it, right.
Speaker 4It's, and that's it too. Some people be like well then, I don't want to eat that like yeah. No, I'm just saying, like you know, if you have diabetes I wouldn't go eating right, exactly.
Speaker 3Oh yeah, you want to go more like on something, right?
Speaker 4Yeah. Yeah, that's the same with strawberries or blueberries too.
Speaker 3You'll notice they kind of get sweeter in time because they're preserving themselves right, like it's funny, because with this thing I can only have certain Um fruits and vegetables fruits mostly like I can't have. Um, what was I gonna say? I can't, you know. Cranberries too sweet oranges Once in a while, you know every so often. But apples, yes, but the green ones.
Speaker 1Yeah, very specific, right, and it tells you which was sugar. Yeah, the green ones.
Speaker 3Berries aren't high in sugar, but they're good and they do have a lot of good taste, so that's also good. But you don't have to worry right, raspberries, blueberries, strawberries, all that stuff, there's a lot of like science stuff in there too.
Speaker 1Like, like, like, for instance, when you have a whole grain food Like you have, like, so if you have white rice and you have brown rice and you have um whole wheat and then just white bread, the white bread and the white rice are like pretty much like almost pre-digested food. Some of the doctors, some of the health doctors, say pre-digested.
Speaker 2They call them pre-digested foods.
Dave's Killer Bread Benefits and Nutrition
Speaker 1That's kinda nasty, I know, because like it's just your body, just it goes right into. You know it doesn't slow as where, like the hulls that have been removed, have fiber in them and that helps slow down the. I forget what the rate's called. There's like a scientific term for it like, so your body absorbs the sugar slower.
Speaker 4Right so it's better for you. Right, right, it's doing something else for you, and even at that, like you have whole grain versus whole wheat. Yeah, you know. It's steps, so like if you're somebody who's used to eating white bread all the time you may not wanna jump the whole grain.
Speaker 1Right Cause that's right.
Speaker 4Maybe like oh, that's it.
Speaker 1I'm like give me like 50 grain bread, one of the best. You don't even see bread, it's just a bag of seeds. Right, that's funny Days, killer bread, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's great, I like the seeds. I get the power seed, the red one, yeah, yeah, that's the one I like.
Speaker 4But like something like that you toast it and throw some peanut butter on it or something you know. Yeah, yeah yeah, but so you have a lot of different options. Yeah, yeah, I like it.
Speaker 1I love all that stuff. Yeah, and it's cool. I didn't even know they're hard. They always sell out the English muffins.
Speaker 2He's got the days. Oh my God, I love the English muffins, the English muffins. I have to try this. So Dave's killer bread is the way to go, because they're all healthy, all right cool.
Speaker 1I mean, there's a couple other brands too, but I like that brand.
Speaker 2Well, am I gonna hear the guitar playing when he's he?
Speaker 1probably stands out with a guitar.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 3He knows cool stuff about Dave's killer bread. I've seen those commercials. Yeah, they're a really cool company. It's good.
Speaker 1If you know anything about the company. They're a really cool company.
Speaker 3Yeah, I've seen their commercials, Dave.
Speaker 1they're a second, the guy who started Dave. He's an ex-convict, so he hires other ex-cons who are trying because they can't get jobs.
Speaker 3It's very hard, very cool.
Speaker 1So the second chance or whatever they call it, like second chance company.
Speaker 3Yeah, that's a good thing. I think that's awesome.
Speaker 1So yeah, because if you have a criminal record like it's very hard to get a job Very, very hard. So, and there's people who try to do better for themselves than they can. So he hires a lot of those people and it helps them out and it's good.
Speaker 3Yeah, so it's a good cause. And his bread is good. And his bread is good.
Speaker 4He has good cause it's organic too. It's all organic, it's good stuff, it's reasonably priced.
Speaker 3I think, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah that works and organic is good and listen all the stuff we're talking about you could absolutely sit and look it up.
Speaker 2Yeah, and research it. But that's what I talk to you Cross research it.
Speaker 3Yeah, I know, because then you kind of educate yourself a little bit.
Speaker 2I must say, I was reading it.
Speaker 3But if there's a certain thing you're like you know what I want? To take a let me look that up and see what it says, and you just kind of go. That's kind of how we go about it.
Speaker 4May I one say one thing. Absolutely no, you can say as in regards to that, yes, we have the web and we can look up information, but figure out what a reliable source is Right of course. Don't read just the headline, read the article. Get a couple of sources. If it's got a dot gov after it, you want nutritional information. You can go to the government sites and not to send but get factual information or other ones too.
Speaker 1The ADA is good too American.
Speaker 4Dietetics yeah.
Speaker 1They usually have good stuff on there.
Speaker 4Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3Absolutely yeah, so know what you're reading and where you're getting it from.
Speaker 2You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3Yeah, no quack on Facebook or something like that.
Speaker 2Yeah, no, no, no, like I said, because for me. I said because there's veggie pasta you know, I've seen the whole wheat rice and the brown rice and stuff like that I'm like well, is it really? And I said when I just quick looked at the back of the box, I'm like well, shit, that says a lot of sugars in it. I'm like mm.
Speaker 4It could be confusing.
Speaker 2Yeah, and that's what I'm saying. It's confusing when you don't know, and you don't even know what you're looking for. You know what I mean, and that's that does make it hard, right, and that's why I said I've never paid any attention to talking to you. And then you, and then you, and I'm like what I'm so far into my healthy and it's like I go well, we try.
Speaker 1I have a health food store like three blocks from my house. It's funny, when we first we moved into our house in 2014 and I went there and I was like I don't know, this stuff's weird. I like I went in there because I had like a coupon or something, so I was like I checked it out and then like I went vegan back in 2015 and then I was. Then I started going there all the time because I have all the you know, the alternative stuff.
Speaker 3That's right next to the Dunkin Donuts. Yeah, see, there it is. Yeah.
Speaker 1So, but, yeah, so. But then I started learning about all these different foods, like these alternative, like, like, like foods, like, like the pastas we're talking about, like, a whole shelf with all this like different types of pastas. It's crazy, that is awesome. That is awesome.
Speaker 2Well, our time is just about up, so with that, I like to finish with Ms Jenny. Well, let me know that, ms Jenny. So talk to us, tell us you know, give us your how to reach you website emails, whatever.
Speaker 4So we are the Complementary Wellness Center in Middletown, new York, and we do have a website, the ComplementaryWelnessCentercom. We're on Facebook, but you know we we're easily findable.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4Yeah, my business partner is Mary Ann McQuillan and you know we do full evaluation with people. One of the things I want to mention to people is you know, look up what credentialing your professionals should have. It's different state to state, no matter what it is medically or alternatively, and yeah, just cool.
Speaker 2Now do you do like classes or you know whatever for any of the stuff that you do? So you said you're nutrition. You do the, the massage therapy stuff. Do you do classes on all that stuff?
Speaker 4We, from time to time we have workshops.
Speaker 2Okay.
Speaker 4And again, like we've done yoga in the past, we've had classes for that, some personal training, nutritional counseling, yeah, pre and post surgical recovery. So we do do some classes now and again, which you can find on our website. When we have those, yeah, excellent, or call us yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2Well, I appreciate you being here. Thank you super much Been our first guest of 2024.
Speaker 4Thank you.
Speaker 2Thank you, I appreciate it, yes there's gonna be a part two, so yeah, we'll let you know.
Speaker 4I'll come back whenever you guys want me.
Speaker 2Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, because we can talk about some of the other stuff that you're doing too, so you know that'll be way groovy. I love it, I love it. So thanks everybody for listening, and so we have a website.
Speaker 1Yes, yes, We'll have to. I completely forgot.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah. I'll have to link it in the show notes yeah, put it in the show notes, We'll put it in there people. Yeah, so get it all in there. And yeah, like.
Speaker 1And you have a website, jen, you're around. I'll link that in the show notes too, oh, cool, Awesome yeah, Absolutely Facebook.
Speaker 2Instagram yes, follow us like us all that other good stuff, comment and everything else so yeah, so thank you everybody for being with us for the last two seasons. So hope for a bunch more.
Speaker 3Yeah, a gazillion more.
Speaker 2So thank you everybody for listening. Have a great day. Love, peace and haggles, live long and prosper and go vegan.
Speaker 4Hello, caring for you.
