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Poly Pocket Podcast
Poly Pocket Podcast
PPP #067: An Interview with The Wild Woman CEO - Claire Doré
Are you ready to challenge your preconceived notions about societal norms? We welcomed Claire Doré, the Wild Woman CEO on Instagram, for a rich exploration of these ingrained perspectives and how they shape our lives. In an eye-opening conversation, Claire, an embodiment coach extraordinaire, helps us spotlight the uncanny mirroring of boardroom behaviours in the bedroom and why women often hold back from articulating their desires.
Diving deeper, we examined how generational and cultural norms shape our relationships and decision-making processes. We hash out the tightrope walk between forging a path of independence for the younger generation and respecting the old ways. Claire imparts invaluable advice on navigating tricky conversations with those who hold opposing viewpoints, emphasizing the importance of understanding and compassion.
Wrapping up our session, we broached the controversial topic of sexual liberty. Claire took us on a sneak-peek journey into her upcoming book, detailing her personal voyage of sexual self-discovery and how dating became her healing balm. We also discuss the potential backlash against sexual liberation and how having a strong support system can make all the difference when standing against the tide. So folks, pull up a chair and join us for this thought-provoking discussion that’s guaranteed to reshape your perspectives!
Hello and welcome to the Polypocket podcast, the UK flagship podcast of polyamorism, cnn sex parties and a special edition episode this week. We are diverging, as we occasionally do on the old Thursday, here and there, and we have an interview with a special guest this week. Claire Dorey is the Wild Woman CEO on Instagram. She is relatively new to the lifestyle and has been on an incredible journey over the past year or two to discover herself and discover what she can give back to the community. Her community is multiple she's a business community, she's a lifestyle community, she's a mother, she's an inspiration and she is really good fun to be around and we just really enjoyed the time we had talking to her about a range of topics.
Speaker 1:We didn't have a particular theme for this one. It's a bit rambly and I also, as I often do, apologize for the sound quality issues because it was done over Zoom and we're reliant upon well technical stuff, so you know that happens. Hopefully it sounds okay. I hope you enjoy the conversation. It is an entirely unstructured, freeform conversation. So you know, come and join us as we discover more about Claire Dorey, the Wild Woman CEO. I'm about to say a lot of that all over again because this is the intro to the intro and I couldn't bother cutting out the intro, so you're getting it twice, kind of an unrequested, unrequired and probably unappreciated bonus. Hope you enjoy the show and yeah, take care, we'll see you soon. So today we are joined by Claire Dorey. I thought Dorey, but apparently her name is Kidd and Claire is the Wild CEO.
Speaker 2:The.
Speaker 1:Wild Woman CEO. Thank you for correcting me, because I'll get the details all wrong. We're going to be having a conversation today about a sort of free flowing chat about societal norms and how they are shaped by both our culture, by our parents and by, basically, the environments we live in. But, claire, over to you for a introduction, if that's okay.
Speaker 3:Well, thank you, I am excited to be here tonight and I love that you think my surname is cute.
Speaker 1:It's not just the surname, but carry on.
Speaker 3:Oh God, that's it. Now we're going to speak Such a player. This is the Poly Pocket podcast, so you know it's going to come. It's going to come with flirting, of course. Yeah, so I am the Wild Woman CEO on Instagram and TikTok, but essentially I am an embodiment coach, so I help entrepreneurs think differently. I'm also a speaker. I am a multi-author and about to be a solo author, which I'm very excited about. I have just my first book and editing stages. Why is that funny?
Speaker 1:It's the birthday.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:You're bringing something new into the world.
Speaker 3:I am, yeah, I am, and it's very on topic for what we're going to talk about. So yeah, that's me.
Speaker 1:Excellent stuff and so I mean I suppose it's a good. Your book's probably a good start, without giving away, like I was going to say, plot details. But I don't think it's that kind of book, is it? But from an embodiment coach and entrepreneurial guide, I mean, does I think I have to phrase this what's the intersection between, like, cnm and the workplace for you? Because it seems to be there. Is this, there is an overlap there, and the vindicative thing is that you're involved in. There is not a say, work in sex, but work in relationships.
Speaker 3:Oh okay, cnm, Can you?
Speaker 1:do that Incentual.
Speaker 3:I always call it ENM.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's a whole debate, don't worry. Oh okay, it was literally a debate.
Speaker 3:I just want to check that.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so I coach entrepreneurs, but here's the thing like you can never separate. So they come to me and say you know, I want to increase my results in business, but you can't separate business and personal. So I coach the whole person, right, and so what that means is like you know, how they're being in the bedroom is how they're being in their business, and so a lot of my coaching is diving into relationships, their sex life, but, most importantly, their relationship with themselves. So that's why you hear me talk a lot about conscious sexuality and sex coaching and dating like, because that's pretty much like a lot of the areas that I coach my clients in.
Speaker 2:That's really interesting For someone who I help. I'm part owner of a business and have been a business owner myself previously. I find that fascinating. And so what? Could you give an example of a behavior in the bedroom that would reflect in the boardroom, so to speak?
Speaker 3:The clients who will say to me I have no fucking clue, right, and if they're not even asking for what they want in their business, oh damn right, they're not asking for what they want in the bedroom. So that's a really like simple one, and essentially like how we show up in our business is we are expressing who we are, because people buy, a buy in you, like you're the brand, right, and sex is obviously a form of self-expression. So all of it is deeply interconnected.
Speaker 1:So sorry, right. So the meat of silence there is that Butcher and I are having a lot of work-based conversations today because we're both very frustrated with our clients. I don't want to think about mine in a sexual context at all. Ricky's a grumpy old man in his 60s who really needs to retire. I was thinking about him. I don't want to say thank you, but thank you.
Speaker 2:Do you think it's a more female trait, though, to not ask for what you want?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, I coach men and women, but predominantly women, like 90% of my clients are women. And it is. Yeah, absolutely it is.
Speaker 2:And why do you think that is?
Speaker 3:Society Are we there. Yeah, I think there's the link.
Speaker 1:That was it.
Speaker 2:Any questions.
Speaker 3:There we go Generational shame. Generational shame that we are all carrying as women. Not all of us, right? Not all of us, like some of us have, you know, really are on a journey and healing ourselves and are very aware and conscious of all of that stuff, right? But you know I'll put my hand up like no one can see this right now. But you know, imagine it's great we do. Two years ago I was in a marriage and, yeah, I was definitely carrying all of that shame and not asking for what I wanted.
Speaker 2:Can I just sorry? I can hear you taking an intake of breath, but please don't let me think. Do you think there's also and there's a particular reason why I'm asking this, though I'm interested in your response that there's also still a level of stigma that goes around women being in business generally? So you know, there's that thing of, oh, she's too fierce or she's too demanding, oh, she should still be in the kitchen, she should be raising the children, and whatever angle you come at it from, there's always someone telling you why you can't do it and therefore you almost put yourself in a box of not being able to ask for what you want.
Speaker 3:Oh, yeah, I think there's a big piece around that, for sure, and, you know, women are very much in their power right now and that goes up against the boundaries of society and everything we've been taught, because we've been, you know, very much taught in a conditioned masculine. And yeah, there's more I want to say on that, but I can't remember what it was it might come back.
Speaker 2:That's why the reason why I ask is because one of my father's favourite things is to come and question you as to why I'm a working mother.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I suppose societal and generational and paternal and some inherited beliefs from his father, I would say. But you can see this goes to the core of what this conversation is about. I know it's meant to be free-weeding, but society shapes us and it's the weird because we shape society. So you know there's a bit of an interdependency loop that goes on, but you're caught in it. So your dad thinks that you should be a stay at home because I don't reasons. Whatever his reasons are it, when it comes to him he changes his mind all the time anyway. So it doesn't matter hugely what his reasons are.
Speaker 1:But at the same time he acknowledges that if you weren't working we wouldn't have the house and the things that we have. So you've benefited the grandkids that you could you would otherwise be looking after. And you can't have it both ways. You can either. That's not true, you can have it both ways.
Speaker 1:But there's got to be some breaking point where you can either sort all your time with the kids or spend a bit of your time not with the kids to give the kids a better life, and then there's a moral thing that goes what is the best use of your time for the best outcome for those children. If the health and welfare of the children is the thing you're aiming at, powerful, it's a lot in that. I know because I like doing that, but at the same time I've still come back to that he can see what he thinks is right and disagrees with himself over the other thing that he thinks is right. How do you tell someone who thinks that two contradictory statements are right that they're wrong, and at least one of them, or usually in his case both? There's not an answer to that, by the way. That's just a statement, a problem with humanity.
Speaker 2:Or have you come across these sorts of issues yourself, Claire?
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I think it's recognising that. Of course, that is all he knows. Like that's what he's grown up with, that modelling, hasn't he? That the man goes to work and the woman stays at home and she makes sure the dinner's on the table when he walks through the door, or that's what he's been shown, yeah, from the human right. However, he's obviously got some level of awareness that he can see the benefit of what you're creating and what you've created for your children. But I think the big, really big thing that maybe he hasn't quite seen I don't know is what you're modelling to your girls.
Speaker 1:Well, this is one of the things that. But you're always said we're quite fortunate in some ways, but you don't absolutely have to work. But for a period of time that was true. No longer true, it needs to work, but that's financial. But even when you didn't absolutely have to, you said I want to work, I want the girls to see me working, because it's a good role model. And I've never I've always agreed with that analysis, because it's too easy to fall into repetitive trap.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it would be very easy to stay at home, wouldn't it? That would be the comfortable route and that would be very much fitting into the societal and generational norms. But yeah, you, you know you made a conscious choice because you wanted to model that to your girls. I think that's fucking awesome.
Speaker 1:I'm sympathetic to that as well because, honestly, I want to stay at home quite a lot. I don't blame you.
Speaker 3:But, yeah, I've had to. I've been really, you know, up against some of this in lots of different ways and and I've had to really work on actually on compassion towards, you know, the people who are still in that place of judgment, because I actually I was that woman too, like you know. I mean I've had my business for 14 years now, so not from that perspective, but you know, I was very much like there were lots of things around that I was carrying, particularly to do with. You know how I behaved in the bedroom, that, yeah, you know, I probably was one of those women who judged other women, you know, and I've kind of really I've got the level of awareness to recognize that.
Speaker 3:But you know, essentially, like society is like almost taught women to bring down other women Like this. You know what you were saying, but you're about, like, you know, being too much and too bold and all of that stuff. It's like, yeah, when women show up in business, like they have to be really visible and you know who's confidence, right, because that's what people are buying. They're buying that confidence and that woman has, you know, for my business, for example, has embodied something that they really desire themselves and, depending on where their level of you know, awareness is. They can see that as very triggering and it's all to do with you know what they're carrying from the past.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm just. It's so interesting. There's so much going on in my head today and it's mainly because of this, the whole work thing because, as we've alluded, there's a lot of discussions around clients in both of our businesses at the moment and it's actually going back to that compassion piece of reflecting on. There's another woman that I'm actually locking horns with at the moment and, on the face of it, we should be there championing one another and taking on the world, but, for whatever reason, we seem to be, I don't know, Mexican standoff on things, and I've actually got to the point where I've just gone to ground, which is very unlike me. Normally, I'm the person that pushes. I'm known for being a bit angry, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Usually it's football, normally it is football Me, but you know, but I've gone to ground. I'm genuinely not sure what she's angry about and I feel like if I, if I, even if I was to pick up the phone and say let's talk about this, it would be like poking the hornet's nest and I just be a huge backlash. So I'm just sort of bumbling along and seeing what comes, which is very, very unlike me, and I don't feel comfortable.
Speaker 3:Yeah, oh, there's some growth there for you.
Speaker 2:then, if you're not comfortable right, delicious, how nice.
Speaker 3:But I suppose, yeah, maybe it is just just really sitting from a place of compassion and thinking, you know, almost putting yourself in her shoes and being curious, just staying curious. I think that's always a good energy to stay in, isn't it? But great to notice that you used to come with it with anger, and like at least that you know. There's nothing wrong with being angry, by the way, but I think it's, you know, it's how you're being angry, you know, towards someone that isn't the most effective.
Speaker 2:No, exactly, and, like I say, it normally gets played out on the football field. I just go around with it. Everyone stays away from me, which is quite. But actually I'd like to pick up on a word there that you used around being curious. So going, taking the bedroom side of things, do you, when you're working with your clients, do you find that they're actually they are curious on the sexual side, or is it something you almost eat out of them as part of the process?
Speaker 3:Do you know what it kind of naturally comes. So I coach intuitively and I will show up to them in like my highest, my highest power, right, my highest self, and they bring the content. And what's interesting and no surprise, is a lot of my clients, you know, after a few weeks, will start to then talk about dating or sex and it all starts to come out about what they really desire and what they really want. So, you know, probably that is probably why they've been drawn to me, because they can see that I have, you know, really evolved. You know, particularly those clients who've known me for years and seen my, you know, like really huge transformation over the last two years. They will see that.
Speaker 2:Can you tell us a little bit more about your transformation?
Speaker 3:So so I left my ex-husband in July 21 and I went through a spiritual awakening. So what that looked like for me and I can only speak for my own experience was essentially throwing everything up in the air, and I mean everything. And you know I had been sat in that marriage for a number of years, knowing that I wasn't fully happy, but the fear was like really paralyzing. And when I kind of like essentially shifted my energy that's what happened and had this awakening moment when I, when the words actually fell out of my mouth and said, you know, like I'm leaving you, it was like the fear just sort of dissolved. You know, I've gone from feeling like this paralysis of the fear to suddenly like because it was so clear and I think when you know your intuition, like when it speaks to you, it comes with an energy of courage, and it was like it felt like that. You know, I suddenly had this like intuitive hip, but like the courage and confidence that have come with it to actually do the thing and take the action.
Speaker 3:And so I spent those next five months really in a gosh, like there were some dark days I'm not going to lie like there's nothing comfortable about going through an awakening, nothing comfortable, and I've been doing personal development for years, but this was a different level and I'd say I pretty much hibernated for those next five months. Really, I was working my business, my business like loom, like it was the most successful year in my business, but I, you know, I was doing so much like work I say quote, unquote on myself that energetically. You know, to think about even socializing or seeing people was just like almost too much. I just had to really look after me Because I was throwing up all my beliefs in the air, like every single belief that I'd ever, ever kind of adopted, you know, because we adopt beliefs from parents, generation, society, all of that. And I'd say I kind of came out. It was almost like I get the vision of, like you know, a butterfly to suddenly emerge, emerging, and I emerged in December 22, and I went straight into a KK party.
Speaker 2:Yes, which is actually when we first started talking to you.
Speaker 1:I don't know if you remember, yeah.
Speaker 2:So we connected on there and we said back then we should really get our heads together at some point, and this taken us all the way to almost September to do that?
Speaker 3:I don't know if it was that first party, though I think it was a later one, but anyway, but still, yeah, that's, that's how we connected for sure.
Speaker 1:And now look at you. I mean you just said you threw all your beliefs up in the air. I mean this is a really wonky question, but it's a free phone chat, so what do you now believe?
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, I think you know one of the things that I really had to take a good look at were around. You know my own intimacy and pleasure and sex and you know stepping into the dating off the back of that party I stepped straight into dating. So I went to the party I think it was the 29th of December which was at the ministry.
Speaker 3:And then we were there Okay well, maybe that was when we connected. But I met a guy there who I didn't do anything with. This guy he was with another kitten, he was very like you know, playing with her or whatever, but he actually asked me on a date on New Year's Eve. So I actually landed my first ever date on New Year's Eve that year, but I had to really get comfortable. So a good example. I always get your names mixed up.
Speaker 1:Hunter, that's Hunter.
Speaker 2:The good looking one is. Hunter the slightly raving one is butcher. The slightly raving one who's been just a buffer will get his butcher.
Speaker 3:That's the one. So, hunter, yeah, back to your question. Like, one of the things I had to really take a close look at was what were my beliefs about one night stand. You know, what did I believe about that? That was something I had to really tune into and, yeah, question, and I realized that I was carrying all sorts of, like you know, phrases and words and, yeah, like you know, like going back to being a teenager and like remembering hearing like words from my parents actually around, you know, sleeping around and what that meant Like. So, yeah, just really throwing up. You know kind of got into that level of detail really, and that was really crucial. Stepping into dating yeah, are you okay now?
Speaker 2:Yeah, am I okay now Around one night stand, around one night stand. Well that's a very that's a very direct question I'm good with that I think I had a lot of practice on that.
Speaker 3:I tell you what. It's the best way to heal.
Speaker 1:Because my God's like anything, that the best. I want to say a version therapy, but it sounds a bit bad. But if you've got a fear of something or you're feeling like but it is just, how do you, how do you prove your fear is not found, or anything? You do it and go oh God, didn't strike me down, or whatever it is, you're scared. Oh yeah, it's okay, I could do it again. Fine, Crackle.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't think it was quite like that for me, Hunter, but that might be the male version of how that happened. I have a lot of emotions and all of those emotions would come up after a one night stand and feeling abandoned oh hello, abandonment wound. I've had a lot of delicious dates that have helped me to heal that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I wasn't immune to that, by the way.
Speaker 1:I went through a period when I was in my late I guess late teens maybe a few one night stands, but they were spread out and almost inevitably try and get in touch with the person the next day and then try and date them because I didn't just want the one night, I wanted a relationship, but went about it completely backwards. Start inflexing and trying to build a relationship off the back of that is not a strategy for success. I'm just going to say Wow, I didn't know it could be.
Speaker 2:It could be Actually give the lifestyle actually, I might be completely wrong the desperate need to date them. If they weren't that interested, you might have been the opposite.
Speaker 1:Maybe that was the floor of the pot Because you were an oink. I was an oink, but again you say about societal stuff. My dad used to be a bit of a player when he was a lad. His attitude towards me was very much not actively encouraging but not diminishing me at the same time. Yeah, whereas my sister told me very much it wasn't some of the words that you would imagine you were thinking of, that you may have experienced None of those were used. I mean, people go through different versions of this, but my mum wasn't like nudging my sister. Go on, darling off, you go. Good night. It was subtle, but it was there. Then it gave me an interesting amount of confidence. And again, that societal piece. And that's fairly mild, I think, because there are other versions of this where that's like go on, son, get your leg over. Although my dad did say that once, and then the same father might admonish their daughter for going out wearing the wrong clothes, for example.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, etc.
Speaker 3:That's the thing, isn't it? Don't wear your skirt too short or your top too low.
Speaker 1:My dad's too low to know what time.
Speaker 3:You're a courage for boys.
Speaker 2:One of the biggest. I'm sorry, go on, I don't know that was it. One of the biggest phrases I hear with raising two young girls ourselves, is you listen to the other dads, so you go to kids' birthday parties, whatever, and they'll say one of two things, which is oh, my daughter's never going to date, or she's not going to date until she's 30. I'm going to send her into a convent, or I'm going to make her be a nun, something like that. That's number one. The other one is oh, you know, they almost hope that they turn out to be a lesbian.
Speaker 1:I've had a friend of mine say that yeah, and so, yeah, I don't know. So one of my best friends from back home said that his daughter is going to be a lesbian. She'll never sleep with a man. That was just his way of not being comfortable with the idea of his daughter having sex. But then you go okay, why is girls kissing girls? Okay? Is that because you think that's a fantasy that you'd like? Because that's a guy thing, you know? Girl on girl action, then what you? But the trick they all miss is you've just really hyper sexualized your daughter and they haven't thought that, thought through. It's really weird. If you point out to them, they'll deny it.
Speaker 1:That's exactly why they think lesbianism is okay for their daughter but heterosexual sex isn't because, it's kind of imagined their daughter having sex, even though it's the thing they're trying to avoid doing.
Speaker 2:It's just a bit weird it's a head fuck, but we've spoken about this before you know I hope. It's just weird, whereas you know we come at it very much from the you guys. You'll be what you will be like when I've said this on the podcast before. But you know, our eldest once said to me in the bread aisle of Audi she went mommy, I'm going to marry two women and okay, I'm lucky with that, because dating one's bloody hard enough.
Speaker 3:So yeah, I think good luck with that. Yeah, all female relationships are pretty intense, brilliant. But you know, maybe she can do it, maybe she can then it's whatever she desires, right? Yeah, I love how you just like have these kind of conversations with your girls and I know that, like really young, can't remember their ages but I just, yeah, love how conscious you are at parenting them oh, it's very kind.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the youngest one turned four yesterday, so yesterday we're down on the beach. I got some.
Speaker 3:I did see that. I saw that on your little bit, little bit better.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, and that's the thing I think you know, going back to breaking of societal norms or reworking. You know, if we don't start having these conversations with our children, then they're never going to be broken. And it's funny with them because our eldest again her one of her friends has two months. So the one had a child before she met her now partner, now wife, and and then they had another one from the same donor, and you know so. Therefore, the kids are very, very aware of how they came into the world, what it means and what it would be if there had been a father in the mix, in a, in a human sense, so to speak, if he'd been there rather than just donating. So they understand the difference between the two. And you know our girls very much are the same. You know we have quite frank conversations around these things where I've heard other parents say oh, I told such and such that you know we went to the hospital and they sprinkled some fairy dust on my tummy.
Speaker 3:I'm like really, yeah, yeah, and I think it's so important, isn't it, to bring those conversations, you know, right to the dinner table and you know, like with my teenagers, like I talk about sex, you know I didn't used to because I was so fucking uncomfortable about it, but you know, I remember like one of my parents wasn't comfortable with talking about it and you know I very much had adopted that behavior and I, you know it really didn't. You know, once I started to evolve and awaken, I realized, my god, I needed to be bringing these conversations to them like an air in it, so important.
Speaker 2:I think it protects them more. So I remember again a friend from school. Her parents never spoke to her about sex on any level. What's?
Speaker 1:the night is existence denied its existence.
Speaker 2:She only got a cell phone contraception because my parents had said to me look, we can see that you're about to get yourself into a relationship with a boy. And my dad said can you have the conversation with her? To my mum and she said can you, you know, go to the doctor and talk about your contraception options, which actually you know nowadays. I think we'd have a wider reaching conversation about the impacts of contraception and you know what that means. But at least at the time it felt like they were doing right by me, whereas this friend had to then explain.
Speaker 2:Well, I went originally to the GP and they denied me. So I went down the sexual health clinic. So I think I actually went down the sexual health clinic with her in order to be like here it is. You know, get yourself, go speak to them about getting on the pill. But but as 17, her first two relationships one was with a 24 year old and then one was some Greek waiter on holiday, after she'd broken up with that bloke and honestly she said to me because this guy was even older, she had no idea and he he was really big and I remember saying to me I didn't know what to do. She terrified because no one had had the conversation of.
Speaker 2:By the way, it can be as big as this like you can see one, but just holding up her arm, you know so you know, one had had that discussion and for me that would be a terrifying thought that that was my daughter's second sexual encounter or sexual partner, should I say and they had no idea of where to go and what to do. Well, say no, actually, this isn't for me. Well, yeah, great, let's crack on.
Speaker 3:But at least, as you say consciously, yeah, exactly, and I think you know teaching them to be able to voice like what feels comfortable and not is like the most important thing and being like really body aware right yeah, on the societal thing, I think.
Speaker 1:I think we could talk about this forever, but we will eventually have to wrap it up for us and this is a two episode, but I've got a societal question bit of a inverted version, which is society doesn't smoothly move between frames of reference. It usually gets what I think of as a whiplash effect, where you go too far into something and eventually you get whiplash. So in the med, post medieval ages but you know that period of time there was the Puritans who suddenly went society's two lacks. We're gonna be ultra religious and be restrictive, and then again that's one example would be after World War two, we had a lot of restriction of society, and in the 60s was the, I think the firepower.
Speaker 1:You know, sexual liberation, the, the contraceptive pill, was the opposite of that societal whiplash, and we had a low or not a lowing, that's probably too judgmental a relaxation of people's strictures around these things. We all we three as well as everyone who listens to this podcast are all part of a movement to relax people's views about sex. I would all think we're doing the right thing, but we're talking about societal norms. If we get this wrong, though, we can have a whiplash effect and we could blow back in our face and we'll like be seen as being a oh god like I'm sure they like the morality police, but you know we could be like destroying society because of our world views. So ever cross your mind in terms of how we think about these things.
Speaker 3:I don't worry about that.
Speaker 3:I think I feel so clear about my purpose and, like my soul mission and I know that that is to really deconstruct these generational kind of like patterns that I don't don't worry about the potential backlash, otherwise I wouldn't be about to publish the book I'm about to publish. I mean, that does you know? Fear comes up, of course, but it doesn't get in the way of me taking the action. And, yeah, I just. I did have some advice actually recently from a friend who's in this world as well, and he was saying to me that you know, just make sure you've got a really great team around you because, yeah, it will, it's gonna push up against everything that people have been led to believe.
Speaker 3:And you know people's boundaries, you know, and I think when you are sexually free, you are pushing right up against all of that. And it's, you know, if you think society is trying to, you know, create control, and when you're sexually free, like, yeah, you're, you're, you're in a different energy, you're, you're more kind of untamable and you don't have those, you know your boundary lists in terms of, like, your power. So it's, it's something I am conscious of and I know that, yeah, when I launch my book, I'm going to need a really, really savvy team around me, particularly a good lawyer, yeah, so yeah, I'm aware of it, but it doesn't stop me doing what I know, that I'm kind of born to do, yeah.
Speaker 1:That's awesome. That is so. You mentioned the the book there, so do you want to give people a heads up about what the books are about and when it launches, or?
Speaker 3:Yeah, so it's. It's basically I've written my journey over the last two years and really kind of talking about how I have really owned my sexuality, how I've used dating to really heal myself, and it's, yeah, essentially modeling freedom for women, so really deconstructing the generational stuff. And when's it going to be launched? Did you ask me that?
Speaker 1:I think you did, I did yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, I'm working with a publishing agent at the moment and she well, my next task or I'm in the middle of is editing my book. So there's one thing actually birth in the words but then the editing piece takes quite a while.
Speaker 2:If I drum, get it sober.
Speaker 3:And the thing is you can't force writing, because if you think you want the reader to read it in the energy that you're in, so if you're in an energy which is like, oh, forcing in like a little bit heavy, like that isn't going to feel good for the reader when they are reading it. So you really need to be in a flow. So, like Sunday, for example, I didn't leave my bed till like one o'clock, like after lunch, because I was in a flow and I was like I did about four hours of editing. But yeah, so I need to get that done and then we will take it to, or she's going to take it to, some publishers. So she's got a few publishers in mind, but I haven't got a date yet. So I don't know where are we in August? I mean, I would love it out this year, but I think that might be ambitious, that might be ambitious.
Speaker 1:We all know we want the Christmas day.
Speaker 3:Yeah, what's the Christmas day. Well, you know the, you know the, the. The divorce rate is tends to be really high, doesn't it? Like post Christmas, beginning of January. So potentially, you know that is that would be a really brilliant time for the book to come out, just for all the women that potentially going to be navigating the dating world.
Speaker 2:Oh then just send them off to a New Year's Eve ball with KK and see how it rocked their world. Swinging my swipe on, man. Come on, girls, Line up.
Speaker 1:With Sauron.
Speaker 3:I'm not sure every divorced woman would make that move, but you don't know, you can't be restrictive of society.
Speaker 2:You don't know what you don't know.
Speaker 3:It's true, and it's, it's very true, it's, yeah, it's a lot of fun.
Speaker 1:Cool. Well, this has been wonderful class. Thank you so much for taking the time to talk to us. Bose yeah absolutely.
Speaker 2:I think we should definitely continue this at some point, both recorded and unrecorded.
Speaker 1:If you could just go over a drink.
Speaker 3:I would love that and thank you for having me. It's been fun. And yeah, I don't know what happened with the technical piece, but I'm glad that I am talked about that as well. William, to make sure I can't edit it out now by mentioning it.
Speaker 1:I'm going to edit this out now as well.
Speaker 2:Oh, oh, oh.
Speaker 3:Is she coming back?
Speaker 2:Yeah, brilliant.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 1:Best of luck with the editing and we will catch up soon. But, claire, thank you again, thank you.
Speaker 1:I hope you enjoyed our conversation with Claire there. Her book will keep you posted. I'm sure there'll be stuff on Instagram. Follow her as Wild Woman CEO and when her book is published we'll be sharing that. I encourage you all to go and look at it because it sounds like a little bit of something could all do in our lives. Is someone who's like, gone through the journey and done some of the thinking for us, done some heavy lifting, or we can just benefit from their experience, I guess. So yeah, I hope you enjoy that and, in the meantime, keep us your protection and possibly your future reading options in your pocket. Take care, folks.