Whine & Dine
Pride or Profit?
Has Pride veered away from its original purpose, morphing into a validation circus riddled with consumerism? From the perspective of long-time allies, Danny and I discuss how these events have evolved into spectacles that seem to further alienate and stigmatise the very community they aim to uplift.
Has Pride veered away from its original purpose, morphing into a validation circus riddled with consumerism? From the perspective of long-time allies, Danny and I discuss how these events have evolved into spectacles that seem to further alienate and stigmatise the very community they aim to uplift.
Hi, Danny. Welcome back. How are you?
Speaker 2:I'm good. How are you?
Speaker 1:I'm alright. Thanks for coming back. I mean, it's been a hot minute.
Speaker 2:I know. I wish I had my drink with me.
Speaker 1:I know. It's only a lot. It's two o'clock, two PM, and I'm already drinking Kylie Rosie. I mean, as you do, the demo.
Speaker 2:Kylie Rosie is It's it's big shout out.
Speaker 1:Have you tried the the sparkling one?
Speaker 2:I haven't tried the sparkling one. No. Does it make you like, so we'll just randomly go per done per done?
Speaker 1:I think it it should. If he doesn't, nothing he should. But I haven't tried it yet, but it's meant to be good. Anyway, welcome back. I mean, let's just jump straight to it because it's gonna be a good podcast episode. And yeah. Thanks for coming back.
Speaker 2:Having on my company, I've been looking forward to this.
Speaker 1:Good. So I'm just gonna start by asking you. Did you go to those in trial?
Speaker 2:No. I am kind of always think about pride. I mean, I'm proud to be gay, but I don't feel I feel like we need to dance naked in the street and tell everyone about it.
Speaker 1:That's fine.
Speaker 2:If that makes sense.
Speaker 1:It does. Yeah. Because I I share the same view. But what do you think about pride in general? And when I say pride, I'm so obviously, it's pride. It's as a definition and also in comparison to how we started and where we are now. Do you have any opinions about Brad?
Speaker 2:Yeah. I mean, me and the other half were talking about it as well. And me and my mom were always talking about it as well. And we saw hopes came to the same point as just, like, I I get why there is pride because of all of the the hate towards the gay community. And I get why people need still in this day and age. There is still some hate towards a gay community, but I think people have completely taken it to a different unintended detour that we didn't need to take it to and it was And you think it's a plug you brad? Anything to local run. And I I just think that they've gone to an avenue that we just don't need it to go to. I mean, first of all, it would it would be lovely to see her at pride when people are work like walking down the street, and it's just celebrating, but we don't need this the half the stuff that we've got today of, like, you've got kids walking around. Why in Earth are you, like, naked on the street? Like Mhmm. Why are you it's just it's just so old
Speaker 1:to I totally agree. I totally agree. I think it's become a joke. It's become a bit a bit of a joke. It started off as a cause as something that really important that we needed in order to survive really. We needed an equal rights, human rights, basically, basic human rights. I mean, it used to be something to celebrate, whereas it has now become a forceful event kind of as if we still we need validation. So it's a forced validation and -- Mhmm. -- which has led to a public backlash recently. So and and I think pride is really gone away from what he used to be. I agree with you. Why do we need to okay. So I went to pride. I went to love and pride. I told you this. And I left after an hour, I won't say an hour because we went to a few bars as you do in pride, which is fine.
Speaker 2:Was it like sixteen pounds for a glass of ice? Or
Speaker 1:But that's London in general. I mean yeah. But pride just just doubled up. Yeah. Absolutely. So it's it's one huge cup I'm glad you mentioned that. It's all about spending, but that's the world we live in today. But so I went to a few bars and then we went on a street. It was packed. It was crowded. That that makes me feel a bit uncomfortable, but it's fine. I mean, I I get it. But then I saw people not only being naked and dancing around, because I expected that, unfortunately. But they were doing drugs in the middle of a crowd is straight, and anyone can a public crowd is straight. So children, as he said, children can see that. Locally, they weren't children I didn't see any children, but then I wasn't looking for children. So the the mild robin be there, have been there. But before doing sniffs on the street,
Speaker 2:it's gonna be grilled somewhere. Seeing someone with a bloody crystal meth pie blisters.
Speaker 1:Yes. I don't know what they were doing. They were sniffing some thing. And I and know was I interested to know. I just I was a bit disgusted. I'm not an angel, not known as, and I'm not here to preach Don't do drugs. Don't do this. Don't do that. But I think there's a time in place as well.
Speaker 2:Actually, time in the place. Like
Speaker 1:--
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:--
Speaker 2:what are you proud of? Are you proud to be gay? Or are you proud to be like doing drugs on the street? It's just it's weird. And the other part of it is as well, and and I know in no interest gay, culture. But in heterosexual culture, let's be in culture, I guess, that would be good. Mhmm. Their aestheticisms. They're they're aesthetic issues. But why you don't see the street man going around showing the world what he his fetish is. On the street. So why on Earth are we highlighting it? And again, prior rate that someone has to wear a wolf mask on the old falls or Because I don't know one of their their faces. Do you know why you're on Twitter? Do you
Speaker 1:know why? Because I think it's game and love to party. I mean, it is. It's a fact. But I think you you shouldn't call it pride then. Call it some quote something else. It's not -- Yeah. -- I'm not proud of of doing drugs on the streets. I mean, no one. How is that celebrating human rights?
Speaker 2:It's weird. Like like you said, it's completely just gone
Speaker 1:--
Speaker 2:Yeah. -- through it. It's been level low and it's just I I think, like, the the people who organized pride from the eighties, was it it was stone wool, and I think they would look upon this down. Like, what the hell have you you've completely I guarantee as well, if you ask half the the the two thousands babies where pride came from and most of them was they wouldn't understand they wouldn't what the heck is going on to do? Yeah. If they looked back I'm sorry. If you ask any of the kids from this generation, they wouldn't know what pride really was. They they wouldn't know the effect that it was supposed to have. Now it's just any time to go out and party and drink and do drugs. I guess what the most celebration is.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But it's not really private because you're not really proud of anything. You're just proud because you just wanna go and drink.
Speaker 1:You also said something which I I somewhat agree with. You said we're still being discriminated against for being gay. And that's true, and it happens a lot, but yeah, and it happens way more severely in different countries around the world. But I also think again, I'm gonna compare us to to the past. So I think we're in a much better place despite what the media is telling us, we are in a much better place than we were before. So I do think pride should have been a should be a cause, but it also should have some meaning. And right now, I don't I feel like if I go to pride or when I go to pride, it's merely to celebrate my sexuality. And I think to me, that's kind of embarrassing. I'm not there for that. I shouldn't be there for that. And to be honest, I'm guilty of this. I'm guilty of going to priority to really to go to a festival because that's what what really I've been doing for the past few decade, really.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Like, I agree. I agree. Wait. I mean, like, you said, we would like to party in the stuff. Yeah. The pride is there to be celebrated, but not the way that they're doing it. And it's just I think it's just got lost. It's completely got lost. Yeah. Things are better with the discrimination. I think there's a lot more acceptance nowadays, which is great. I I remember when I was in school at, like, I think you'd hear so many horrible horror stories about being gay and this and that. So I was always scared to come out, but
Speaker 1:--
Speaker 2:Yeah. -- now it's all educating. It's good.
Speaker 1:And also, there's another thing about pride, about this whole ideology that has been hijacked really by radicals in my opinion. Now we need to see pride everywhere. I don't care. I really don't care, but I do ask the question is to why do I have to have a gay sandwich for m and s? Right.
Speaker 2:Why would yeah. It's gonna
Speaker 1:say that. Right. I mean, it's common sense. Why why do I have to see yeah, the flag is beautiful blah, blah, blah, but I don't care I don't care as much. I mean, and the pride move as well. And companies companies are being forced. I think they're being forced to to pretend that they they they love a pride. They love the LGBTQ plus etcetera.
Speaker 2:I can't be that too.
Speaker 1:But the the thing is not things are changing now. I think this kind of a public, as I said before, a public backlash about have you heard about Dylan Mulvaney from About
Speaker 2:two thousand. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Right?
Speaker 2:I mean,
Speaker 1:So which is fine. I mean, I'm all for equal rights. And as so so so so is everyone else, though? That's the thing. So is everyone else. But I think people people's backlash is not due not because of the Dylan Mollvaney although they they accused her of making a mockery out of the the principle, the cause. And the backlash is, Budweiser sales just just permitted. Drastically?
Speaker 2:Did they though? Because I always thought it was I always thought it was well done that they did that. They're gonna get so much backlash that everybody was talking about Bud Light. Like, I just they they kind of To me, they kind of got themselves back on the map and said Bud Light at it. No one could stop talking about Bud Light. It was crazy. But even when people were chucking away in already understand people who are still talking about Bud Light. And I guarantee if you like if you randomly ask person what was what? Name of Beers? I mean, they're probably gonna say Bud Light. It's just it's it's stuck in the feedback of people's heads now. So I think in, like, a couple of years' time, people it was still it will it will take time. Maybe I
Speaker 1:think I think you you might be right. Maybe in a few years time you may people may buy it again. I don't know. But apparently, Delmovene they doesn't distance themselves from Delwyn Mulvaney, and Delwyn Mulvaney is now criticizing Bud Light. And I think I think they distance themselves from her because of the sales It's all about the money. The companies are not companies don't hire because they like your your principal. They like your cost. They like the money. I mean, they show me the money. Basically.
Speaker 2:That's the thing. Like, they don't care about you. They they it's literally about money like Tesco's. I can guarantee you the CEO of Tesco's doesn't give a crap if someone's gay or not. He's like, oh, let's just get this flag out there.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:To me, it kind of overwhelms me if I work somewhere and there's so many flags. I mean, to me as well. Flag has kind of become quite cringey, if I'm honest. Like,
Speaker 1:have you
Speaker 2:there there was a guy when I did a photo shoot a couple of years ago with my friends. And she said, oh, one of the models dropped out, my friend and me was driving around. She says, oh, my god. I've got a guy. He lives where I he lives he's just come back from deployment. He's in the American air force. Say, hey, well, go around. We could look and go around. He had a big pride flag on his wall. As I e gay and he was like, no. I said, oh, why do you got that? Because I've acceptance of all of my friends and what beliefs different litches this and that. I was like, okay.
Speaker 1:It's embarrassing.
Speaker 2:Anyway, that's Yeah. Yeah. And he just went in on me, and he was just like, you should be displaying this flag in your labor room. If you're again, I was like, probably, like, Olivia, what did you bring me?
Speaker 1:Can I just mention something about that? Because I'm glad you've just given me that example, which is no matter what you are, gay, straight, bisexual, or whatever. If you're not for this the current cause, the the current pride cause, you must be against them. You must be in you must have internalized homophobia. You must have internalized transphobia. You must, you know, you know, you know, you know, the labels. And I'm like, fuck you. I don't care what you think. Just because I I'm the same. I find him really cringe worthy. Going to region walking around region street and see the places like covered with the with the LGBTQ plus of flags.
Speaker 2:Oh, three wins. And what a
Speaker 1:key twenty percent?
Speaker 2:That's not free to the street. It's it's just so so cringey and they these companies are around that you know, we don't give a crap the other eleven month of the year. Suddenly, like, oh, we're showing support. But let me know. You're you're cashing in our money, like, we know what you're doing. Like, it's just weird. If we're gonna do that, I think, also. Mhmm.
Speaker 1:Now as
Speaker 2:I say, that's why I always think also with with my brand and stuff like that, people have asked me, why are you doing like a prize celebration? I'm like, well, I am a gay man, but I'm not gonna, like, cash in Mhmm. On something like that, if I
Speaker 1:That's the main principle. Yeah. I know.
Speaker 2:It's just weird.
Speaker 1:But you think
Speaker 2:I might by a diverse brand anyway, but I'm not gonna cash in and make make it no time doing this just just odd.
Speaker 1:If you go down that route and to have a pride month, which I don't get it, why don't you have I'm not I'm not for wars. I'm not pro wars or any of the kind, but why don't you have a veterans month? Why don't you have women's month. Why don't you have and so you know what I'm getting. So why pride month? I think it's really
Speaker 2:it's literally I think as well, if it was a pride day, I think there'd be a big a better celebration. I think there'd be a bit more of a celebration because it would be that one day. People would make more of an effort. And I think it would definitely get people to really focus on what the cause is, where is this a month is dracked out. People are just doing drugs being drunk and just making a mockery of the whole thing, to be honest.
Speaker 1:It's a shame because I think we have been hijacked by radicalists radical, sorry, radical radical letters even. And I to to the point where I'm sorry. I'm gonna have to say it. They I think they're gay men, and they are discriminating subconsciously discriminating against women. Because I think they're the ones being left out in a way because I'll give an example. So the, what's it called, the John Hopkins University. They've changed the LGBTQ class rate to identify lesbians as us also the non man attracted to non man. So they've changed it. Again, they reverted because because of the public backlash. And I thought, why why did you why did you have to why did you get the arrogance to to do that in the first place? You know, so I think it's it's kinda a bit out of control. That's just my view.
Speaker 2:It's weird. It's like when they when they say Burthing. Burthing parts of that. How can how dare you?
Speaker 1:Translating person.
Speaker 2:Yeah. My mom is a is a woman. Like, my mom is not a perfect person. Yeah. It's a woman like. Like, what the hell?
Speaker 1:That's the thing, you know, in order for us to to be more inclusive and and accept accepting of the trans community and any ever everyone else, they're they're they're they're affecting other people without realizing. And so this is what this is my my feel about pride. And I think pride is is is it just one patronizing cause right now and which is a real shame because I used to enjoy pride and hear about pride and now. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Is it is quite sad. It is quite sad. A few years ago, I probably would love to take my mom and her friend to pride. But now, I'd be embarrassed to take my mom to ride it.
Speaker 1:I don't know. I took my mom one time and she she had a she had a good time and this was, like, ten years ago. But nowadays, she'd probably be, like, Okay. It's just well, I can see his flags web directly in front of me. But anyway,
Speaker 2:it's strange.
Speaker 1:So you're not gonna go to a pride anytime soon, I
Speaker 2:No. Look at that, man. Unless Mariah Carey is performing.
Speaker 1:Apparently, she was gonna go to Brighton Pride, but I find that as a rumor. Right?
Speaker 2:I was you know, it was true. She was going to be the COVID hit, didn't it?
Speaker 1:Was that Yeah.
Speaker 2:Sad. I was about to, like, beat crack up. So many people took into the front of that year.
Speaker 1:Would you wait for the flag? Anyway.
Speaker 2:No. No. We don't work. I I although I did I did buy some Orion, but because she had the rainbow album.
Speaker 1:But that's I don't think that was about pride. Was it?
Speaker 2:No. No. No. She just she pulled it out for She had the Moriah merch big. It was one of the rainbow albums. They just had a rainbow when it's good. I got that. I think that was the only bit of pride you know.
Speaker 1:I mean, it's good to know now. We yeah. We share the same opinion. Shall we talk? Shall we move on? Shall we move on to let's talk about our favorite topic because you came the first time to talk about console culture.
Speaker 2:Out kids.
Speaker 1:And let's go back into it, shall we?
Speaker 2:Let's do it. Right. Let's do it. Have you got anyone new that has been canceled with Parker dealers?
Speaker 1:Mulvaney. Well, anyone who disagrees with the cars get canceled? To start with?
Speaker 2:That's crazy. Did you see the one with with Courtney Love? It just popped up with my feet. I mean, she's a woman who's gonna be controversial.
Speaker 1:I love it because
Speaker 2:I think she she speaks that mind. But she she was in an interview and they they someone said, it was something along the lines of, what would you give any aspiring, you know, woman coming up in the industry now. And she said, can I say this? But I don't know. Can I give a fuck? Is she about it? And if you get invited to Harvey Weinstein's after party do not go. And then after that, she was just at that was before everything that came out with Harvey Weinstein's Oh. And she was that was way before that was way before.
Speaker 1:Oh. And
Speaker 2:she got canceled for it. It was just, like, it is later. She's
Speaker 1:I know. I mean, she knew she knew. I mean, they all knew I think they all knew. And now they they're just looking the other way. It I think they looked the other way, and now they're saying, oh, we didn't know. Like Marilyn Streep. Don't tell me she didn't know.
Speaker 2:Oh my god. That's that's the other one. Marilyn Streep as well was it. She's she's involved with so much, not the same as Oprah. Oprah is like being she's had, like, pedophiles on her show, like, big pedophiles who have had cause cold snuffles who organize cults and stuff, and she's given them
Speaker 1:the platform
Speaker 2:that become more famous.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah. She's a tricky one. She's a very tricky one.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Do you think she should be cancelled?
Speaker 2:I'm I'm not sure if cancelled. I just think to be honest, I think she's a very powerful woman. There's a lot of very powerful. I think that's what it is. There's so much power and money in a people that just too scared, and I think that's how certain people get canceled is. Some that's how the the people that go against or get canceled is.
Speaker 1:Yes. Right? You wouldn't dare because you'd you'd be terminated.
Speaker 2:There it is.
Speaker 1:But No. It's
Speaker 2:a So there's a cancel culture of, like, these people are being can sort of because of the the crazy left, and then there's the cancel culture of, like and we need to shut this person up because they're gonna, like, uncover those and stuff. So It's it's kind of weird, isn't it?
Speaker 1:Do you know who Corey Feldman is?
Speaker 2:Yes. He
Speaker 1:was in a in a good
Speaker 2:name. Star.
Speaker 1:I mean Okay.
Speaker 2:Yes, Javier.
Speaker 1:He said he's got a list or he he's got names. He was gonna reveal the names of the Hollywood biggest beta files. And is set up, what, fifteen years ago, ten years ago, maybe. And it's still I'm still waiting to sit to hear about them. And I don't know if he's been he's been if he's been silenced. Or if he's just changed his mind, I think he's just being silenced because he's been talking about that for for ages.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I think he's been silent as well.
Speaker 1:Oh, let's
Speaker 2:say that he Mhmm. He came out and said that Michael Jackson never touched him and said, well, that wasn't it?
Speaker 1:Or Yeah. That's true. He said that. He said they are worse people than Michael Jackson.
Speaker 2:Oh, God you. And I also think with the whole Michael Jackson thing, Tommy Matola had a big part to play over it because he was the manager. He was morale carries blokes. Mhmm. Then if anyone went against Tommy Mottola, he would ruin that careers like he kind of did. We'll try to with Barayas.
Speaker 1:Right. And
Speaker 2:what Michael's with Michael's, he just I think he he started all these weird rumors because he wanted out of Sony and Michael bought his runs to his music because he's like, oh, fuck that. I'm gonna start this crazy rudiment.
Speaker 1:Is that what happened? Oh, that's why you started this.
Speaker 2:I I think I think it had to do with Tommy Matona and his team because he was quite a powerful man back there. Yeah. He he had he could do anything back then. I mean, he's because of all the drama with JLo and
Speaker 1:because Mariah Carey was gonna sing Love plus Boyo with a cameo sample or something. And then JLo, release another song with that sample before Moriah. Because of Tommy Mazzola. Right?
Speaker 2:And then and then she did the if we and Tommy, because I need you to record the same song, but with Caleb, and then they released it first. It was like
Speaker 1:Yeah. I'm real. Right?
Speaker 2:Yeah. The unreal, though. Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah. So, yeah, I think he's a very powerful man. And I think Macawley Culkin also came out and said the same thing, like, Michael has never touched me. Like, it's just
Speaker 1:-- Yes. --
Speaker 2:it's it's weird.
Speaker 1:To be honest, he wasn't he was the cloud innocent. So as far as the the legal situation goes, is innocent and people just take their own interpretation from there. I do believe Dimida plays a huge part. Yeah. He might be involved, but I think Dimida plays a huge part. And also, you're guilty before proven innocent in in the in his court.
Speaker 2:That's that's that thing. Like, Michael Jackson to this day still has that reputation of being a kitty fitter. Like
Speaker 1:-- Yeah. --
Speaker 2:it's it's sad. Like, once you have that reputation something it it doesn't really go away and it's it's quite it's quite scary.
Speaker 1:That's right.
Speaker 2:It just sounds, but no. There are some that's a big, big people in the the industry. And I think didn't Mel Gibson has just released a film a comment, but and the life would be the title, but a lot of cinemas won't show it because it's sort of uncovering a lot of the troops about the child exploitation and child sex trafficking industry.
Speaker 1:Was that just now?
Speaker 2:It's just now. And I think it's I'll send you a website of the and where I watch all my movies and stuff.
Speaker 1:That's crazy. Why why are they covering up? What is it? But you know what? When when you mentioned that, when he mentioned that because he wasn't it's not it's not published by the media. It's not published by any news outlets. We did two crazy conspiracy theorists, you know? That's the thing. It's crazy.
Speaker 2:That's the thing. And the sad thing is, right, there's there's someone that I know what it's like, one of my friends, friends. He's on my Facebook. I'm not gonna say his name before privacy.
Speaker 1:What is it? He's terminator?
Speaker 2:Going yeah. He's going through a mental break at the moment. He's been going live and he he's just in sectioned now. He escaped. Now he's in sectioned again.
Speaker 1:Mhmm.
Speaker 2:But the stuff that he's saying, I know that he does need a lot of help for what he's saying and stuff for that,
Speaker 1:but but
Speaker 2:some of the other stuff that he's saying, it's kind of true. He was just like, look, they're giving me this this medication. That is just gonna get me addicted and more addicted. So I would just have to live off this medication. It's just it's It's just crazy.
Speaker 1:That's that's big pharma for you. I mean, they don't they don't don't want you best interested. They want you
Speaker 2:Anybody else?
Speaker 1:They want you ill. They want they don't want you well because you need you'll need them. You'll need medication. And I think they work this might sound a bit controversial, but I think they work with the government. The the two major groups that don't want you well. They want you to be dependent on them. And, you know, but people are like disclosing that even more nowadays, but then I know people don't like hundred date, and I get it. I I get it in in in scenario, and it just says what what he needs to say. I think for shock value, but I also think he speaks a lot of truths because he's the one who's against the big pharma and the government, he says they don't want you well. I think it's just one it's it's kinda scary how if you if you voiced your opinion against the government, they find excuses to put you in prison.
Speaker 2:I'm still being able to take assets and stuff that I agree with as well. Yes. He's a look. A man should look after himself. A man should go a gym, a man should do this and this, but I don't think that's misogynistic at all to say, oh, a man should be a man. I don't think he was saying that he was just saying, look, he's gonna help your mental health and you don't need to be on this medication. Currently, the gym is gonna help your mental health a lot more or the longer this medication will.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And but he said something I mean, I might not agree with the way he said it, but I think because I think it was asked something about the Taliban and the human rights in in in those countries? And he he his answer was, why don't you send a feminist to fight the Taliban? Were equal, why don't you send them to fight like put on the ground? Why don't you send them to fight to fight us? Say why so they don't need men then. Don't they? So I don't I I I agree that he he likes to tease, he likes to provoke. But he has a point.
Speaker 2:It's just seems funny. Yeah. It's just yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah. Yeah. I think console culture. Speaking of console culture, I think comedy has died. You can't Oh, you can't make you can't make jokes anymore without apparently defending people. I mean, why don't you get the Arabans to to to say you shouldn't say that joke because I'm offended. I mean, how dare you?
Speaker 2:How dare you tell me that you're It's it's weird, like, I dread new comedy movies because these comedy movies aren't comedy, and it's so kind of I can't dodge nowadays. It's just
Speaker 1:Have you seen Barbie?
Speaker 2:No. I haven't seen that. A lot of people are going to see it. I've said with their kids and I was like, you do realize there's not really a kids film is actually a big commentary on, like, misogyny and stuff like that. But, like, what? I was like, yeah, it's not really about kids. Like, the kids are gonna be bored. It's like I've read out reviews and it's it's all about, like, the misogyny.
Speaker 1:I haven't seen that.
Speaker 2:They will look at this. How many readings? Like,
Speaker 1:I think I think the marketing team is deserve an Oscar themselves because they've been promoting the film like nearly a year prior to doing it's really
Speaker 2:good to hear.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And I don't know if I I don't know if I wanna see it. I think I I I would see it just to see what all the forces above. But what do you think it's about then? So it's not about the doll per se. It's about what?
Speaker 2:I don't know. I've I I mean, because all I've all I've seen is like it's just it's just highlighting the misogyny in the world and how everyone's only looking at. Beautiful women because they're beautiful women and stuff like that. But, like, kind of them considering just about Barbie maybe escaping into the real world. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe I will have to watch it then.
Speaker 1:I will watch it at some point. I don't know if I'm gonna rush to this. I I mean, I was asked to go to the cinema and I said, yeah. Sure. Let's do it. Now, just to see what all the fuss is about. I love going to cinema anyway, but I'm not in a rush. I'm just gonna say,
Speaker 2:And the only thing that I would ever be in a rushful, I mean, that all the new Halloween movies I obsessed with Halloween is my favorite horror franchise. Mhmm. I went to them. I even went to the, like, the double features. So it was the original Halloween of the two thousand eighteen. I was, like, four hours of Halloween. I was, like,
Speaker 1:I'd do that. I'd do that I'd do that more than say Barbie. I mean, even Oppenheimer, I would like to see Oppenheimer. But, yeah, I'll do that. I love I love heartphones anyway. Scream is my favorite though.
Speaker 2:Scream was good. The new scream was good. Last year, the good. Scream five was awful. Scream is really bad with me. Yeah. It was really bad. But then again, scream four, what was up with that horrible Kardashian film that they had on the whole What
Speaker 1:was the scream what was scream four? Who was the color?
Speaker 2:It would Emma Roberts.
Speaker 1:No. That's what I meant. The screenplay was awful.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1:I like Emma Roberts all over, but I think the film was just bad. I thought screen free was good, though. People slammed that film all the time. No.
Speaker 2:Spring free. Spring free. Yes. Yes.
Speaker 1:I mean, that alone. Yeah. I agree.
Speaker 2:What was I gonna say? Speaking of Emma Roberts, have you seen the new series of American horror story?
Speaker 1:I know she's in it. No. I haven't. I haven't seen that in ages though. Is it good?
Speaker 2:No. No. No. It's it's coming out, but it's got Kardashian in there. Kim Kardashian. And it's just like it started off so good and so strong, and then it died after series four. It got the Gaga one was quite good. It was still quite big. Yeah. It's meant to be good.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Hotel was meant to be really good, but then it was just boring.
Speaker 2:Yeah. It was boring. Yeah. And I think with this one, it just looks like it's gonna be like basically scream queens with Kim Kardashian. It just looks so not American horror story. It just looks
Speaker 1:It's becoming cheesier. It's becoming very woke, to be honest.
Speaker 2:Yes. Oh, good luck. Yes. That was something that was that I really was looking forward today of the week. Day of a week, day of a month. And it was she did a lot of promotion for a sandwich altogether as everyone knows. Who's this amazing? Sara Michelle Gillum?
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Lovely. Lovely. Yeah. And she did she was promoting her new show, Wolfpack. And I was like, okay. You don't really see much as everyone's organic as she's promoting, it must be good. So I thought I would give it a go. And I think within the first ten or even ten minutes first five, six minutes of the episode. Mhmm. They had already announced that the young lad suffers with sensory overload. He suffers with autism. He suffers with asthma. Is mixed race, biracial gay, and he suffers with So that was I can't remember the words. He he suffers with another one of those socially woke things. ADHD and stuff like that. And I was like, wow, this is a lot to take into the first six minutes like.
Speaker 1:Don't you think that the whole thing is it's patronizing. It's just Yeah. Okay. So Santa isn't real. I get it. I get it that people get outraged. If someone says that Santa was meant to be white, I completely understand. But when it comes to characters, fictional characters okay. Have you seen a little mermaid?
Speaker 2:Yeah. Right. Just need some of the characters.
Speaker 1:So Yep. I think I think You know what I'm getting at? What I'm getting with it?
Speaker 2:Sure. What did you think?
Speaker 1:I've never seen it. I didn't go. I wasn't interested.
Speaker 2:Oh, I watched it online. Yeah. And I'll send you the link tonight with all the shows I've watched. And I I have enjoyed it.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It didn't have the magic as the little mermaid did, but I it was nothing to do with the fact that she was like, because I was like, well, yeah, she's a character, like, she can be any race. The character,
Speaker 1:I mean, is
Speaker 2:Same as Aladdin. It didn't have the magic as
Speaker 1:-- Yeah. --
Speaker 2:it did with the cartoon.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. I just I just don't I think everyone Okay. So what's it called? Pridgeton? Where the Queen
Speaker 2:I never watched it.
Speaker 1:The Queen what the the Queen I I I I watched the first season. I thought this too much for me. So first of all, it's historically I I don't wanna be too cruel, but it's just like it's just not accurate. Sorry. Yeah. I think I think it's very patronizing, patronizing even yeah. I don't I want representation because I'm part of the minority group. That's what I was gonna talk tell you about We live in a culture of victimhood. We all have to be victims all the time. And I'm like, no, I don't want to be I want to be represented, but I don't want to be I don't want to be to go from eighty to eighty, as we say, in Portuguese. I want to be represented equally. I don't want to be the boss of some someone. I don't want to be the king of someone just because that dollar killed to to my minority group. No. I think it's too much. I think we've gone to work.
Speaker 2:Oh, cool.
Speaker 1:I mean, that's pretty equal. Now, it's gonna be equal. It's gonna be equal. You know?
Speaker 2:It's just again, I do think there's another way of the government just sort of divide us and keep us fighting so they can do the the crazy things. It's it's just they they've given us this flight. It's weird as well as seeing it all over TikTok. And then, like, there's the pages for it. There's the pages against it, and there's the pipes coming on. It's just like, It's it's weird.
Speaker 1:Do you remember what what happened to you on TikTok? By the way, I love your videos on TikTok. I told you this, but it's true. Someone was really outraged by something that you did, and that really upset you temporarily. I think you you were over it the next minute.
Speaker 2:I can't remember what that was about.
Speaker 1:If not, it's fine, how I did this out?
Speaker 2:No. No. No. No. I just can't remember what it's about. I remember it was Obviously, they were they were just they they said something that was just like, what are you pondered about? Like, I can't get that because he wrote in the context.
Speaker 1:They were offended with something.
Speaker 2:Sorry?
Speaker 1:They were offended with something.
Speaker 2:They were offended with something that I said all the ideas or I don't know. It was just like, what the why are you so offended? Like, Oh, it it could have been that video that was that was the two girls and they were like ordering, but they weren't ordering. They were singing an order to the waitress, and I think I stitched the video. And it was me just like pretending that I was the that was it. It was me pretending that I was the They might be in an open as well. I always test people. I mean, it was me pretending I was the waiter and I held up a science head fuck, if you can't.
Speaker 1:How dare you? How dare you be funny?
Speaker 2:Yeah. Because if I I was if I was, like yeah. It was cute. Blah. Blah. Blah. But if I was a waiter and I had a busy night and somebody was like, oh, let's do a TikTok with me singing my own as you. I don't have it. I'll be like, I'll come back to you in an hour. And someone was like, I can't believe you were like, there was the cutest thing how dare you glove up there. These probably made these right now, fuck off. Fuck off. Yeah. It did upset me at first because I think that was the work first real criticism that I ever got. And I was like, you know what? Fuck off.
Speaker 1:I did do you know that that Barbie filter on on TikTok that you take you take a picture and then it filters AI filters you to to to look like a like a doll basically.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So I did that. And and I was filtered into a barbie. Okay? I deleted the video because I I shouldn't have But one of the comments because I published it. One of the comments was, oh my god. Not you changing your race too. I was like, First of all, I didn't change my race. AI transformed into a barbie. I didn't purposely change my race. And and I deleted it. I was like, see, I would be one of those victims who get who get, like, triggered because someone is offended.
Speaker 2:Yeah. It's like the best of all. Why am I being triggered by one person? It's just
Speaker 1:That that's the same principle as you. Yeah. Exactly.
Speaker 2:Is is weird. I'm not sure if that was a video. There's probably another one in the comment where it was about, but I'll find it. I'll find it. I'll look back and get myself laughing.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Somebody said I looked really old at the other day and I really pissed me off.
Speaker 1:See, you can be you can be offended by that. Dare you?
Speaker 2:They said they said, do you look really old? I was like
Speaker 1:She got Charles and the French speakers. Yeah. They don't they don't bother me, Denise.
Speaker 2:There are some strange ones on there. You've got like that. The the the thing is with these strange ones on there that caused this drama, they hate the racism, craziness. TikTok make way too much money for them to remove them from the app. They're making, like, what, a grand a day from these people.
Speaker 1:God.
Speaker 2:They give them.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah. I know. I know. Yeah. I I still don't understand TikTok as much. I do, but I I don't I don't get involved as much as you do. Because you're a celebrity there. Oh,
Speaker 2:wait. Three thousand people. He's taking fucking. But what you do, we should get your views up or your followers up to eight hundred, so then we could do lives on TikTok and then just
Speaker 1:-- Mhmm. --
Speaker 2:hit everyone else.
Speaker 1:We'll do it. We'll do it. Yeah. We're gonna get canceled and then uncanceled and then cancel again.
Speaker 2:Canceled and have it canceled.
Speaker 1:You said something before you wanted to talk about Titanic. I'm curious to know what we wanted to say.
Speaker 2:Oh my god. So, yes. Obviously, I'm obsessed with the Titanic. Can you hear me?
Speaker 1:No. It's fine. I can hear you.
Speaker 2:I wondered
Speaker 1:if you love your back.
Speaker 2:There we go. I'm just doing two screens. So obviously the Titanic, it sank on April four team, facial gifting. But I I I don't know why I'm so enthralled and obsessed by this. I can watch documentary. I've documentary. But there's quite a few conspiracy theories going around. I mean, there was there's one that there was the Olympic which his sister ship was actually he says one of the controversial and elaborate theories surrounding the sinking of the Titanic was advanced by Robin Godnier in the book titled The Ship at NeverSank. He draws the several events of coincidence occurred months and days and hours leading up to the sinking of Titanic, and it includes the ship that sank was in fact Titanic's sister ship, the Olympic decided on it
Speaker 1:--
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:--
Speaker 2:as an insurance scam. Which is weird.
Speaker 1:I've heard about
Speaker 2:that. By JPMorgan and because he had just acquired White Starlight, and obviously they were going bankrupt. So they just decided to do that. Because I think the Olympic already had some damage done to his hull. And then there was another one saying some conspiracy theories believed that Titanic was some compass to eliminate opposition for the creation of the Federal Reserve Bank. Some of the wealthiest men in the world were born in Titanic for her maiden voyage, several of whom including John Jacobaster, Benjamin Guggenheim, the i's I juststras, which going on to a tangent, which Strauss is the CEO's from Ocean Gate CEOs from Ocean Gate once. Great great grandfather.
Speaker 1:Ocean Gate. Oh, just to clarify, Ocean Gate is linked to the current events with the submersible submersible that exploded apparently. Yeah. At the bottom of it.
Speaker 2:So they're just crazy, isn't it? Like, they see his wife was related to Is it all stacked? Anyway, they said that they were literally opposed to the creation of the US Central Bank. No evidence of their opposition to Morgan's centralized banking ideas been found. So basically, they're saying JP Morgan that he got off the ship with,
Speaker 1:I
Speaker 2:think, like, with hours before the ship sale, but leaving the upper billionaire's on. So when the ship sank, he decided he got the central bank.
Speaker 1:Oh, so you think there was yep. There was somehow a set up
Speaker 2:Yeah. I mean, if you think about it as well, I mean, there was a fire on the hot the ship, the whole of the journey, like, in the the bunkers. So that's what weakened the a hole.
Speaker 1:Wait. There was a fire. There was a fire?
Speaker 2:There was a coal fire before the ship set sail. So that's what would they say weaken the hull as well. So it's it's crazy. Is this Not a big deal.
Speaker 1:So just before we wrap up, I just wanted to to ask you, What about relationships? I just wanted to ask you, you can we can talk about the community. You can talk about your general overview of it. But what do you think about open relationships?
Speaker 2:I I don't really know. I mean, I think it's a new age you kind of thing. Isn't it? I mean, I'm not I'm not sure what I think I've never really had -- Mhmm.
Speaker 1:--
Speaker 2:I've never really had an open relationship. Mhmm. No. That I know what, anyway.
Speaker 1:That was a good one. Carefully might offend someone.
Speaker 2:No. I mean, like, in other relationships, there have been the other guy that's just been an idiot. But Yeah. And No. It's a very new thing, isn't it? It's just
Speaker 1:I don't think it's a new thing. I think I think it's it's a trend now. I don't think it's a new thing. It's it's always happened. But now, I think when it comes to trouble, yes, it's definitely a a brand new a new way of thing that you said.
Speaker 2:Didn't Willow Smith, she's, like, all about open relationships and having struggles and stuff in the sheet.
Speaker 1:Oh, shit. She's Oh, right.
Speaker 2:Apparently, it should oh, yeah. It's it's sold about having a freeway.
Speaker 1:And that phone must be must be true.
Speaker 2:If okay. Let's all do it. But
Speaker 1:would you be in an inappropriate relationship if your partner came to you and said, right, this is not working out. So do you wanna join by the third one or or else?
Speaker 2:No. I don't think I could. If it wasn't working out, then I'd say, okay, let's let's be friends and then move on. But I don't think a fair person is gonna fix that because then I think when it comes to that as well, like, if there's a fair person in the relationship, They're gonna always like one of the others a bit more. And it's just I don't know. It's it's just that it's gonna be that jealousy thing, then there's gonna be like, well, he's staying at his house. What are they doing now? We haven't done stuff like that.
Speaker 1:I have a great job. And I think it's a as as I said, it's become a trend, and therefore, it must be the natural way of having a relationship nowadays. I've I tried I wasn't in a relationship with over ten years and I we tried to be open for which lasted for, like, two weeks because this there will always be one that that gets more jealous or gets more affected, gets or feels a bit left out. And no matter what you you wanna say in terms of, oh, let's work on it. I'd rather not I'd rather just we either have a a monoclonal relationship or not. And and I understand that's that's probably very old fashioned and very selfish. It's on people's eyes. Oh,
Speaker 2:very strict.
Speaker 1:Oh, very strict.
Speaker 2:And comparison between us
Speaker 1:like Australia. Australia. Australia. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I've had a lot of gains say, well, why do you wanna conform to a straight relationship? We're gonna get you outside.
Speaker 1:So much for equality. Yeah?
Speaker 2:Yeah. Alright. Yeah. I love you, though. So many weirdos.
Speaker 1:Well, I can't I think as as as as as a single person yeah. If you wanna have your three sons, if you wanna have your or just go for it, that I couldn't care less. But I think when it comes to commitment, I think I'm very binary when it comes to that.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. I understand what you mean. I think I think my friend again, I'm not getting my name is, but she had a husband and they did a lot of I don't know if it was open, but it was a lot of swing in his stuff, and I just I think she was doing it for him. And I think in the long run, she got a bit hurt because she was like, well, he's he's wanting to do it. With upper women and not me. And it's just like
Speaker 1:That's sort of big if we get affected. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah. In the long run, she was just a bit hurt. I mean, she did fine now. She said, like, an amazing boob job. Not that much. She needed it. She said, like, like, like, it was
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Lovely.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Loving life. But I I think I'm I'm all for if you wanna do whatever you wanna do, who am I to judge? I mean, you go for it. If you wanna be in And by the way, I know someone who is in a triple relationship, and he's been working for years and years apparently. So I mean, good for them. Great. I just I I couldn't do it.
Speaker 2:No. I don't think I could do it. Or I don't think it's I don't know. Maybe it's because we're from the I mean, are you the eighties and the nineties?
Speaker 1:I'm an eighties kid.
Speaker 2:You're in the I'm in the nineties. I think it's But we're sort of the same ish generation. So maybe it's our generation.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Could be maybe of facts, you know, in other words,
Speaker 2:so far, afraid of it is. Although, I haven't spoken to I have spoken to, like, people born in two houses, and they do have different reviews. Views on relationships and lives to be fair. It's just it's weird.
Speaker 1:I've been I've been a new society and I'm sorry if I'm gonna and anyone, but we live in a new society where I think they they play in by ear. I think I think the the rules, the the we need to think this way, anything that way, I think you saw one big experiment. And I'm like, sorry, I don't want to be a part of it. I just tell him. Yeah. Call me all. Okay. Please call me all
Speaker 2:the fits. It's weird. It's weird. It's it's just a weird It's a weird world, but they've been here. It can be it can be quite overwhelming sometimes as well. Like like we were talking about earlier, like we've all of, like, the the pride being pushed in our face and it's being pushed in our face. It's so overwhelming now. Because I think, like, in the eighties and nineties, we only had, like, what, four or five channels and stuff like that. So we were just like we just had like a like a tiny little thing to sort of view. We had like Windows nine getting in that. And now we've got so much information, so much,
Speaker 1:too much.
Speaker 2:So overwhelming, it's too much information that's just crazy. And now it takes me an hour or so to decide what to watch on my Disney plus now. Where is the horror that you stick with us?
Speaker 1:Did you know I got a good point?
Speaker 2:That's always bad.
Speaker 1:I spend more time browsing and looking for something to watch than I I actually spend watching it.
Speaker 2:Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah. Well, there is something that I want to watch tonight, which I have. And I don't know if you've seen
Speaker 1:Is it RASRAS?
Speaker 2:No. God fuck that. I liked DragRise. Yeah. I liked DragRise up until, like, series six and then it stopped because
Speaker 1:-- Yeah.
Speaker 2:It's just so scripted. It's so so when they're doing their makeup on the chair and then they just suddenly come and forth. Oh, so your dad kicked you out for doing drag. Like, are you serious? You've just had the producer in your ear. Like, like, want the fuck. Like, where does this come from?
Speaker 1:And not just that, and they know who's gonna be in the bottom too. They know who's gonna win. They they know who they want as in days in producers. Not RuPaul. Often, RuPaul is just like, which is just an image. RuPaul is a billionaire who just just hit sache. Oh, wait. Yeah. Chache, you say. But I think the producers know who's gonna win from the from the Gidiap. We're the very bigoted. And yeah. So, like, any reality TV show, everything is heavily produced, heavily scripted, and I think the arguments are real, but I think they're very filtered and edited to okay. You can you can't for example, you cannot tell me how you feel until the problems are rolling, which I get it. But it's it's not very natural to me.
Speaker 2:That's That's the thing. And what's not natural to me as well is I was trying to explain this to my behalf. It's the same with the Kardashians and the same with all these I've already love and hip hop and stuff. When they do those little interviews in the box -- Yeah.
Speaker 1:--
Speaker 2:when they're, like, something will happen, they'll go in the interview and they buy backdrops. Yeah. I was like, have you not noticed? They're wearing the same clothes every episode when they do those interviews. So what's happening is they're re watching this series in that box and they're, like, that's not a genuine reaction produces like any reaction a bit.
Speaker 1:Some of them cry as well. I think they get they get fake tears to cry. I honestly don't like
Speaker 2:Did you watch Lisa Cook for us to come back?
Speaker 1:A very long a Valerie. Right? Yeah. A very long time ago.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Very, very old. And there was a part where she goes she was sitting at the table just just tell us that you got the shoes, like, well, I got it. They're like, we need a bit more. She goes, well, I got it. They're like, now to her. Able to push it back. And does it does
Speaker 1:it like a like a watch top TV star or something?
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. It it shows how reality TV really is, and it's just like and they're like, you need to be a bit more blah blah blah. It's just like, wow, my god is. Like, no, you can't use that because that's what crazy person sounds like.
Speaker 1:Right. Danny?
Speaker 2:Well, it has been fun, but we need to do this again.
Speaker 1:We will. We will. And come up with your podcast because I wanna be on it and Yes. I need to do
Speaker 2:your to eight hundred on TikTok so we can do some live.
Speaker 1:Oh, well. We will. I don't even know how to get to five hundred less let alone eight hundred.
Speaker 2:To start pissing people off. That's what I did.
Speaker 1:Eight hundred but, like
Speaker 2:The followers.
Speaker 1:I've got nine hundred.
Speaker 2:You're you're on a hundred?
Speaker 1:Oh, no. I'll show you.
Speaker 2:You're on nine hundred.
Speaker 1:Mhmm.
Speaker 2:Oh, so you kinda don't like.
Speaker 1:Is that is that the requirements?
Speaker 2:I didn't know that. I don't know
Speaker 1:what picked up that that world. Look.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Oh, there you go. So I think you can go live.
Speaker 1:I mean, let's just do it.
Speaker 2:Let's do let's do a live on TikTok.
Speaker 1:That'd be good. That'd be good. Yeah. But on that note, I'm gonna say goodbye. It's been my absolute. It's been a delight. It's been a delight having you on again. At this time
Speaker 2:Oh, I loved it. I loved it. To know why takes me so long. I'm just such a lazy bastard.
Speaker 1:Oh, you know, you know, how are you busy? Are you busy? Can can you plug your company again, please?
Speaker 2:My company details learned. We actually just did a boat issue yesterday. Mhmm. He told us.
Speaker 1:He was good.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And it was so it was so nice that it wasn't raining.
Speaker 1:And I will be one of your models at some point too. Although, I've been, like, shamelessly plugging your your business on my Instagram.
Speaker 2:Now better.
Speaker 1:I know. I mean, what place to be as well? Yeah. But, yeah, thank you so much for
Speaker 2:doing one of the bottles one time.
Speaker 1:Okay. Cool. Thank you, Danny, and I'll see you sometime soon.
Speaker 2:See you soon, man.
Speaker 1:Bye, everyone.
Speaker 2:Bye.