Whine & Dine
Love and Life in NYC (Dylan's Version)
Explore the twists and turns of modern romance in New York City. We discuss the pitfalls of dating apps like Grindr and share approaches to fostering meaningful connections. Delve into the complexities of balancing a social life with personal well-being and challenge societal fixations on sexual acts. Our conversation also touches on navigating breakups, non-monogamy, and offers a behind-the-scenes look at the adult entertainment industry. Join us for a trendy and insightful discussion.
Explore the twists and turns of modern romance in New York City. We discuss the pitfalls of dating apps like Grindr and share approaches to fostering meaningful connections. Delve into the complexities of balancing a social life with personal well-being and challenge societal fixations on sexual acts. Our conversation also touches on navigating breakups, non-monogamy, and offers a behind-the-scenes look at the adult entertainment industry. Join us for a trendy and insightful discussion.
Music Hi Dylan, welcome back. It's been a hot minute.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a really hot minute. How?
Speaker 1:are you doing?
Speaker 2:I'm great.
Speaker 1:Great, good to know. So we're going to talk about relationships. Let's just jump. Perfect Good, I was going to ask you. So what's the situation at the moment? Are you single? Are you like you know sex cult? What are you doing at the moment?
Speaker 2:Oh my God, I wish I was in a sex cult. How fun would that be.
Speaker 1:That means you're not, so you're single at the moment, right. I know this. How long have you been single for? Have you been in a relationship?
Speaker 2:Have I been in one?
Speaker 1:Yes, Okay, when was this?
Speaker 2:When was it?
Speaker 1:Well, I've been in three, three relationships so far.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:And what was the?
Speaker 2:longest. How long did it last? They're all lasted about three months.
Speaker 1:Ah, okay, those three relationships. Were they meaningful or was it like, let's try this?
Speaker 2:Were they what?
Speaker 1:Meaningful.
Speaker 2:Were they meaningful. I mean, like we call each other like boyfriends. So I would say that's like pretty meaningful. I mean, I've been in, I've had relationships where it was like intense, where we saw each other a lot, but like you never got to a point where it's like you're calling each other boyfriends.
Speaker 1:Does that make sense yeah, absolutely, absolutely. Did you say I love you? Did you say I love you to them? Do any of them, of course? So how long in the relationship do you say I love you?
Speaker 2:I'm pretty quick.
Speaker 1:What a week, Two days.
Speaker 2:Oh, not a week. That's crazy how long. I mean probably like a few weeks and maybe a month if I really feel in it. So it just slips out. I'm not like I need to like say I love you. It just slips out like oops.
Speaker 1:But do you think it? But is that because you say that to everyone, like friends and stuff, or is this because you actually mean it? No, no, really.
Speaker 2:Because, like, it's coming from a different place.
Speaker 1:Alright, okay, so you're not seeing anyone at the moment because you just mentioned Malte in my own direct. So, alright, yes, so tell me about, because you live in New York. You live in New York, so tell us about dating in New York. What's your like?
Speaker 2:I mean, for me it's not very eventful. I feel like I could probably like get more into it, but at the same time, I feel like I don't know. It's Everyone's trying to look for like the best fish and people are all like looking to hook up a lot and, yeah, I think it's very similar, but it's fine. I love hooking up with people. I love a good quality hookup, but like yeah. I'm not looking to be on Grindr, to be disappointed with people every day.
Speaker 1:It gets boring, doesn't it? It becomes the second job and it's annoying. I know when it becomes a job. It's very similar to London, I've noticed Because I've spoken to people from there and they told me, as you said before, I think people are kind of living in a fast lane. They also have the fear of missing out. So there's always they always hope for something better, and I think that's what really doesn't let any progress to happen. But are you actively looking or you're just living the moment?
Speaker 2:My eyes are open, but I'm not like, oh my god, I need a boyfriend right now. It's just like, well, if he comes, he comes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, are you on like many dating apps? No, just Grindr.
Speaker 2:Well, they're not. No, I'm not on Grindr, I don't know anything.
Speaker 1:You know, I'll fight you all, no, okay.
Speaker 2:No, I got on Grindr like a couple times, like last year and this year. I was off it for like a few years and I was like you know what I'm horny and then I deleted it immediately because I was like, oh, this is wretched, it's horrible why was it wretched.
Speaker 2:Because it's like over COVID, it was a lot of fun Because they like unlocked a lot of things, but like it's like such a fucking cash grab. All these apps are fucking cash grabs and they're not going to show you the people that are close to you. They deliberately like manipulate things.
Speaker 1:Who's they Like the apps.
Speaker 2:The apps.
Speaker 1:So how do they manipulate things?
Speaker 2:Well like, for example I believe it's Tinder that doesn't show you everyone that's in your area, and they also don't show you that If you're not in the hot. It like they also class by who's the hottest.
Speaker 1:I've seen that, yes.
Speaker 2:Then you don't. Yeah, it's like kind of fucked.
Speaker 1:I saw that I've seen some hinge. I don't know if you've had hinge, but they have the hottest of the week and I thought doll is very vain, don't you think?
Speaker 2:It's stupid, it's ridiculous. I hate it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, alright, okay.
Speaker 2:So I'm just like uh, whatever.
Speaker 1:Do you go out a lot?
Speaker 2:Do you go out a lot? Yeah, just find a lot.
Speaker 1:Do you go out every weekend? Do you go out?
Speaker 2:every weekend? No, that'd be crazy. I really try to live at my drinking. So, like someone actually asked me to go out and hang out with them this weekend and I was like, oh, I got school and also try to limit my drinking. So if you want to go out and eat, fine, like I drank on Monday of last week and then I drank the previous weekend I'm going to go out to drink, I drink.
Speaker 1:So it's like but you got drunk like proper drunk.
Speaker 2:I definitely like it's we're going to do like a minimum of free drinks.
Speaker 1:That's okay, that's not a lot.
Speaker 2:Minimum is like I said I want to have one.
Speaker 1:So what's the measure? I can't remember what are the measures in America, because I know. In New York, even because I know in the UK, it's like 25 or 50, 50 ml, a single or a double. I say you're having vodka or you're having I don't know whiskey, whereas in places like Portugal, where I'm from, it's like naked eye, so just pour it.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, that's so Portugal. I love that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, portugal, spain, france, some European countries, and so it's not like that in New York, I take it.
Speaker 2:Probably not. It's all about making money, so probably not.
Speaker 1:Ah, okay, yeah, yeah. So where'd you go? Where'd you go in New York?
Speaker 2:To the gay bars.
Speaker 1:Have you been? What's it called? Is it boxes?
Speaker 2:Oh God, I was.
Speaker 1:I was there one time, oh God.
Speaker 2:I don't like Hell's Kitchen. It's not my favorite.
Speaker 1:Hell's Kitchen that's it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's the one. Yeah, that's not my favorite. It's Like, if I feel like I don't fit in there, that's a bit of that's a lot Like it's because I feel like you have to be white, rich and hot.
Speaker 1:Oh, really, is that the kind of place? Yeah, not. I was just there as a tourist, so I didn't even notice any of that, so I just went because my friend took me there.
Speaker 2:It just feels so gay and not in a positive sense, and so you have to fit a mold Like it doesn't feel queer. I would prefer a queer space. It just feels like not inclusive of other flavors of LGBT QIA.
Speaker 1:So where would you go? What's your favorite place to go? I've gone to Brooklyn, oh, okay, okay. The thing is I was just going to say, ironically, I stayed in Brooklyn the second time but I didn't know where to go. I didn't know any gay bars to go to Google is free, but my friend took me to Hell's Kitchen instead, so I trusted his.
Speaker 2:All they would is bad friends.
Speaker 1:He's a very good friend, but I didn't know that about the boxes. That's a club, right?
Speaker 2:Well, you went there, you tell me.
Speaker 1:I don't know what it was. I just had some go-go dancers, but that's very typical.
Speaker 2:I hate go-go dancers too. They do not do it for me.
Speaker 1:You look sad, Are you going out this weekend?
Speaker 2:I'm going out this weekend Now.
Speaker 1:I feel like I have to because of this conversation, but you have to drink at least three drinks and pull the guy maybe.
Speaker 2:No good. No, I'm really trying to be good. I'll probably go out in March. I'm very enough to do it because I've been. I mean, I took a health class recently and apparently what I do is consider binge drinking.
Speaker 1:So I mean, Like well, would you like to drink anything?
Speaker 2:I'll drink anything. No, I've really got into margaritas.
Speaker 1:Yeah, of course, yeah, I love them yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then I also, like you know, have my cake and eat it too, so I love a vodka red bull.
Speaker 1:Vodka red bull. Okay, so yeah, mine is vodka lemonade. I don't think you have lemonade there, though Not the ones we have here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't think they would do that here. They do lemon shots.
Speaker 1:What does that mean?
Speaker 2:Lemon drop shots.
Speaker 1:Okay, I never had it.
Speaker 2:They're great. I could probably drink a lot of those.
Speaker 1:I've also been to Do you know West Hollywood well no.
Speaker 2:No, I just know that, like that, area is apparently segregated.
Speaker 1:Well, I went to West. I'm not sure about that. I went to West Hollywood. I've only been to again as a tourist, so I don't know. I didn't observe that much, but I went to a few places there and I thought it was good. I had a good time. I do prefer going out in Europe, though I don't know why there's something in Europe that I don't want to Berlin.
Speaker 1:Ah, okay, okay, yeah, berlin is. It's not going to go. Berlin is fun. I only went there with the boyfriend, though, so I didn't really go to. That's going to get her, but I'm saying so one at a moment.
Speaker 2:So what, you can just watch me having your busker red bulls make sure I'm safe, you and your partner, and I'll go by myself. That's always my vibe, and then you guys are okay. Yes, I love this spot. Let's do it. What do you think?
Speaker 1:Sure, come to Europe. Okay, so it sounds like New York. The New York scene is very similar to London, so I'm still going to ask you.
Speaker 2:Except for dirty how you like it Dirty in the right way.
Speaker 1:What New York or London?
Speaker 2:New York.
Speaker 1:I think London is the same. I think it's like they're like copycats of each other. I really do. Yeah, kind of like America and England. Have you been to London?
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:So what were you here for? Like business.
Speaker 2:No, I was there for dance. But, also like I saw my family. Oh nice.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, of course You're from here. Is your family from London?
Speaker 2:No Well, I went to see my lesbian aunts.
Speaker 1:Nice Was that in Blackpool.
Speaker 2:No, it was London. I remember London you fool.
Speaker 1:I know we mentioned Blackpool before, so I'm trying to put the pieces together.
Speaker 2:The reason why I was in London was to go to Blackpool. You are correct, but I was in London at the moment, you are right.
Speaker 1:I'm so sorry. Great Thank you. Thank you, I appreciate that. Yes, all right, let's talk about the dynamics. So what's your biggest ick if you're dating someone?
Speaker 2:My biggest ick. Yeah, ooh, I'm dating somebody.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like the biggest red flag, biggest ick that you've had or that you have at the moment.
Speaker 2:I guess like not being yourself. Okay being the sleep fall lying, Anything that is in the vein of lying.
Speaker 1:I'm not your for. Oh yeah, I totally agree with that. What about something like less deep? For example, some people would say bad manners, let's say towards weighters or waitresses. Of course that's bad. Yeah, like hygiene, etc. Do you have any? Some people could.
Speaker 2:But with hygiene I don't know. I mean, I'm not even showering, I'm not getting my Rio.
Speaker 1:Okay, farting in front of you, for example. What do you think of that? I'll be farting in front of you. That's hilarious. Whatever you laugh, you laugh it out.
Speaker 2:I probably wouldn't laugh if it like really.
Speaker 1:But that's funny. But that's funny though.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't like break up with them. It's a bit over the top.
Speaker 1:So what would you say then? What would you say I?
Speaker 2:guess if we're not going deep, I guess I wouldn't want to be with somebody that like I guess I get deep again. I'm just a deep person.
Speaker 1:Go for it, I guess.
Speaker 2:Basically sexually like I wouldn't want somebody that's so like set in one way. Does that make any sense? I'm going to get somebody that's like I can only talk. That's the only way I'm going to get off is the only way I hate, like strict talks can go die. I really don't care about you. I don't care about you?
Speaker 1:Versatility, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Versatility, but also open-mindedness, like it doesn't need to be all about anal, like it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1:I agree. I agree it doesn't have to be like one one, one, yeah, one way only.
Speaker 2:Like why does it have to be about anal?
Speaker 1:Yeah, what about hook-ups?
Speaker 2:I mean my autobiography. I'm going to write this down. Why does it have to be about anal?
Speaker 1:Yeah. Why do you have to be so anal about anal there you?
Speaker 2:go yeah. Why do you have to be anal about anal? I don't get it.
Speaker 1:So what about friends with benefits? Do you treat them the same way or do you think they're different because they're not your partners?
Speaker 2:Friends with benefits. I don't think they have anybody like that.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, so you don't do that.
Speaker 2:No, I fucked my friends, but I think it's like a gay that happens. Yeah, or sometimes you fuck somebody and they're like, oh my god, let's be friends. I don't have friends with benefits.
Speaker 1:No, but that's friends with benefits, isn't it? You fuck your friends. That's exactly what the definition is.
Speaker 2:I had a conversation with someone else. No, I would say no because I would say friends with benefits is your friend, the reason why your friends is to fuck, not because you have something else.
Speaker 1:Oh so you're saying you fuck your friends. But there's something a lot more than just fucking.
Speaker 2:I may have accidentally had sex with a friend because we had a wild night, got drunk, woke up in the same bed and mechanically had sex together because he woke up horny. But that doesn't necessarily mean we want to have sex with each other every goddamn day. Right, but I feel like friends with benefits is. The sole purpose of a relationship is to fuck.
Speaker 1:No, I think you could be right, like booty calls and stuff. Yeah, I think you could be right.
Speaker 2:But the friends who I had sex with on occasion I wouldn't like booty calls don't happen. It's more than just sex. Sex has just happened because sometimes you just want to, sometimes it just happens, sometimes sex happens.
Speaker 1:Do you think it has to be with friends, or do you or you can just do that with anyone on Grindr. They don't have to be your friends.
Speaker 2:Oh, if it feels right, I can have sex with anybody.
Speaker 1:With anyone, right okay?
Speaker 2:Well, I mean man, I wish I was, like you know, spiritually evolved enough to fuck anybody, but I really do prefer men. How I mean listen at the same time. If I'm like fucking madly in love with you, fine, whatever. But I just at this point in my journey I just see myself with men.
Speaker 1:But who knows, but have you had sex with women?
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:Okay, so there you go. So it's probably just your orientation is nothing to do with, I mean. No, do you know why? You probably have a point you could be open enough to try it.
Speaker 2:Try it with or the gender is absolutely it felt right, yeah, but I don't know, I don't think so. I mean, I guess, like other often would be a trans man. So I mean, like, I guess it's like men and well, I guess, I mean, I guess, like saying like a trans man is not any, yeah, anyway, we're going to get the whole can of worms. I guess, like men, and trans men would definitely like be on the table.
Speaker 1:But let's go back to those three boyfriends. I want to know I'm Jim those three boyfriends. Yeah, I'm generally curious when was this?
Speaker 2:Well, I feel like my first boyfriend was I was 18. I just decided to be gay.
Speaker 1:You decided.
Speaker 2:Thank you for laughing. I was like, please, for the love of God.
Speaker 1:You decided.
Speaker 2:And I just I was so horny, I just needed to be with somebody. And I wanted to be with somebody because I was in a point in my life I was 18. So it's like there's a lot of change happening and so I wanted to try to like step out and be independent, yeah. And so I feel like this guy kind of was part of that. I don't know if I really loved him, I don't know, I'm not sure. I remember.
Speaker 1:But it depends on what you define as love. I mean some people.
Speaker 2:I guess I did fantasize about living with him and stuff. I guess maybe I did love him.
Speaker 1:But wasn't that the idea? Maybe more than the person.
Speaker 2:No, because I couldn't live with someone like that. I didn't see them, I just like like them. Yeah, I guess I did love him, I don't know. It was just like so. I guess the other reason that kind of pollutes that sensation is he did lie to me about his age. He did lie about his name. He how ended like he tried to make me feel bad about taking me out to dinner. I was like bitch. I didn't ask you to take me out to dinner, I asked for your time.
Speaker 1:And how did you start to make you feel bad, though?
Speaker 2:He just, he's just like girl. It was just, it was ridiculous. When he did that, I was like, OK, we're done. You're not going to like hold things against me like that.
Speaker 1:Wow.
Speaker 2:I think I was 19 at the time, yeah.
Speaker 1:And how old was he?
Speaker 2:How old was he? Well, I thought he was 10 years older than me, but he was 14 years older than me.
Speaker 1:Oh right, so that's why, where you meant about the biggest ache, like the deceitfulness and lying to you, wow.
Speaker 2:That's certainly not where it stems from. But also I did actively choose to overlook it because I just wanted the experience and also, yeah, he's a hot Asian guy. Yeah, he's absolutely gorgeous.
Speaker 1:What about the second one?
Speaker 2:Second one Well, funny thing about that. So it's a funny story behind him. So he was eight years older than me and I had a friend at the time, gay friend. He's like you know, dating people who are like old, like your age. He has a whole brand and later I find out he's definitely in love with me. But that's another story from the day. Wow.
Speaker 2:And I call him up to guess what. I'm dating somebody. He's. He's my age. Oh my God, how old is he? He's 30. Like I was just so, so funny. He's eight years older than me, but I met him. They used to. I used to volunteer with dementia patients and dance with dementia patients and he had a client who I would dance with or just like participate, and so I met him through that and then he messaged me on Instagram and then I went over to the place in Long Island and then I pulled his trousers down and that was that.
Speaker 1:And that was that. The rest is history, I guess.
Speaker 2:I said trousers for you, you're welcome.
Speaker 1:You say pants.
Speaker 2:We say pants.
Speaker 1:Pants. Yeah, I knew it.
Speaker 2:Pants.
Speaker 1:So how did you break up with him?
Speaker 2:I assume, oh, he broke up with me.
Speaker 1:He broke up with you, didn't know.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Why.
Speaker 2:I don't remember having like a long recovery period my last, my last relationship. It was definitely like that was an intense recovery period, but with him it was maybe you know, you know me three months. We only do three months here. I just got back from England because I was in England at the time and I guess with the miscommunication and he bought tickets to see Wicked, my flight was like five hours to late or something crazy and he didn't realize that I was staying for longer with him somehow.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:So he could have gotten it for a different day and he didn't. He was going to give them away. So I think that was strike number one and I think strike number two was one night we were together in his place and he asked me how I felt about douching and I said it's disgusting, I think it's horrible, I think it's bad for your health.
Speaker 2:I guess, like it said, like it's like flat, like blatantly against it right not realizing he was like low-keaming, like could you, like you know, take a power washer for your anal cavity for me? Didn't realize what he was doing, but I never had nothing like happened, like. I didn't like have yeah yeah. I'm still being me against it, but I did nothing happened, plus he never. I mean I don't know how. It was like a beat you can be you can be as explicit as you want well, in England it's okay yeah, yeah, it's fine anyway.
Speaker 2:Basically he never achieved inside of me. So I'm like what's? What's the fucking point? What's the deal like? It's not like you love anal so much yeah that you're like gag, like you don't like, anyway, but that's the logic there. And then, so that's part right to strike three. Let me think.
Speaker 1:I hope that was the last one no, it's the second one, second boyfriend now I'm talking about the strikes, the third strike.
Speaker 2:I don't know. I don't know the third strike. I think those were two strikes. I think that was it. Because then after I left that weekend, when I got back from England, he texted me he's like this is over. I don't think he texted me for three weeks, right, two weeks. He didn't get back to me for two weeks like oh, this is over and then he ended over a message you texted you instead of calling.
Speaker 1:I don't care, it's fine yeah it's, it's, it's done, it's yeah, it's over.
Speaker 2:But still, I don't care. It's the panel in which someone decides to communicate. A breakup is irrelevant.
Speaker 1:I don't think, so I'll be do you not think he plays a part to how really I guess it's the end, but you should play a part of how seriously you took that relationship. Maybe not you like people in general.
Speaker 2:I guess I don't know, but yeah. I don't know, I mean, how we became boyfriends. As I said, I needed, I need to borrow a shirt from you and I put it on his boyfriend's now, like that's hot.
Speaker 1:Yes, I mean that says it all, doesn't?
Speaker 2:it sets the tone yeah, I think just because you put on an item of clothing like you're fucking Dobby from Mary Potter, now I own, you are dope, you know. I mean, that's how. I get it yeah check your rolling the fucking like trans hater who cares? I don't know what.
Speaker 1:I know well that that is a kind of worm, so we're not gonna address. Yeah, that's that. Third, boyfriend.
Speaker 2:It was magical, it was a whirlwind. It I fantasize about marrying him really within three months he would always yeah, it was, it was so whirlwind, it was so quick. And then I, I, just I. I was in a kind of relationship before I met him, but it wasn't like boyfriend or anything, because it couldn't be situation ship it was a situation ship, yeah um, oh, I want to know about that though you know about that?
Speaker 1:yeah, well, you know about that that's probably more interesting than the third boyfriend. What situation well, okay.
Speaker 2:So basically the situation ship happened during is a twice-way one, and it was. I was both just model smoker for this guy and he went over to his house and he started like ranting, raving about like me too, stuff, and like how it's fucked up, like people like to give advantage of people, like you're clearly trying to get advantage of me, how's that? How's it not the same? But it's not the same. Like okay, whatever, right, we had sex. I ended up modeling for him and getting paid fairly well, but I really can't fell apart after it fell apart, kind of when I got a boyfriend this third one, but I also found out what open relationships are, because before him I didn't really care for them or really understand them.
Speaker 2:But seeing like through him what relationships can be, I was like, oh okay. So basically in my third relationship I brought up the idea. I didn't say it was necessary, I didn't say it needed to happen, I didn't say that like I was gonna break up with him if it didn't happen. I didn't say he wasn't enough. But he started like he got so angry with me, called the whore yes just because you addressed it, just because you mentioned it and he's the one that like, also like.
Speaker 2:Try to bring it out of me like what's your own with your mind like finding out that it's not important right now. It's been kept asking like okay, so here's what's on my mind. I've just been thinking about it. It's not something I didn't say, I have to have it you just yeah, you asked a question it was just an idea. That's something to talk about as a couple like and he called you a horse right away.
Speaker 2:I mean, that's, that's out of order you just blew up, but he also was a really bad communicator so clearly yes, so, but then after all that we tried to make it work over the weekend, we went out and he said sorry, so mad at me.
Speaker 2:I said, yes, he got mad that I'm so mad at him so you guys days later, him calling me a whore and not wanting to listen to me and explain to him what my thoughts were and trying to like talk to him about it and I've come out of him. That's unreasonable.
Speaker 1:So you got, so you got slit you on the top of it, maybe, I guess.
Speaker 2:I I didn't feel gas lit, but I guess it was just like so obnoxious and he was. He's like five years, five years old to me, so I'm like I was the adult relationship. For sure. We still saw each other and and here and there, after all that yeah. You've got a boyfriend, but then he would any quote-quote. Mr Monogamous, what sexting me.
Speaker 1:Say you're rather cheats than having an open relationship.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I think, so he's sexting me as well as telling me when he breaks up with his boyfriend. Up with the first to now, yes yeah, one is single was waiting outside. He's like can I come in and be like sure that he had sex with me?
Speaker 1:Clearly still in contact with this one, I I own good terms with the other ones.
Speaker 2:the first to talk to the first one, since I lived in Utah, yeah, and I haven't talked to the second one. He used to have an Instagram. He was so hot girl, he was so hot. I mean, I don't date ugly guys, but like, I mean. Holder, but you know what I mean. Yeah, he, the second guy, was so hot so he was delicious, but um, I don't. He started scram. I've tried to find it because I'm nosy, can't find it. I think he deleted it. I.
Speaker 1:Mean. If you tell me his name, I'll probably find them anyway.
Speaker 2:I can't remember his last name. I believe it's so. His first name is Raul, which I hate that name it's Raul Raul, raul. I think it's Perez Gonzalez.
Speaker 1:You think that's very specific.
Speaker 2:It's a P&G and they're very common like Latin American names.
Speaker 1:Gutierrez, maybe I.
Speaker 2:Don't think so. It might be Perez Gonzalez.
Speaker 1:Perez Gonzalez. Okay, I'll find them for you. His black hair. I was gonna ask you, do you have a type?
Speaker 2:Clearly Hispanic men. But I don't know, I don't really have a type. Well, pretty, pretty faces, beautiful, beautiful, beautiful like something that I like would like be okay with running and impaling myself on, and I'm okay with that.
Speaker 1:Then, like you're, so if you had a relationship now, okay, so let's say you fall in love with someone, and then would you and they asked you to have an open relationship, would you be receptive of it? Would you have one? Yes, yes. So, but tell me the benefits for you. The benefits, yeah, of having a no conversation.
Speaker 2:Well obviously there would have to be like a conversation about how we're gonna do it, because it's not just gonna be.
Speaker 1:I wouldn't want to fuck for all.
Speaker 2:Yeah, basically, I mean, just pay my version of what I would want. I Would want to Be closed for the first year. I think that makes sense.
Speaker 1:Yeah, why though?
Speaker 2:So that way, like you guys, can know each other. Yeah so that way you guys are more of a unit, because an open relationship Isn't gonna really work unless you guys are like it actually.
Speaker 1:But you know, some of them, you know just jump into an open relationship. Some of them work, so it's just, and you get to know each other in the process. That's fine.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but personally I would want to have it like somewhat closed. Maybe I don't know, it would depend on the guy, it would depend on the communication style. I'm just really depend. Yeah but here right now I'm single. I would probably try to like stay close for a year, ish or whatever, and then Basically I wouldn't want my open, really my my make believe open relationship.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't want us to have grinder on her phones and just like be like hunting for another dick, because it's like, that's like if you're in bed together but you're hunting for other dick, I think it's a little bit weird to me. I Would it marry over relationship. It'd be like oh, a situation happened upon me and I took it, and then you, let me just talk about it and laugh about it, like it wouldn't be, like we're both crawling for dick because the streets were littered with dick.
Speaker 1:That's actually, that's actually interesting, because when I think of open relationships, I think of the first scenario I think of through, and then, you know, grind.
Speaker 2:Oh, you leave the bed and go fuck someone else. It seems a little bit sorted.
Speaker 1:I agree, I agree with you, but but then again I'm not like on vacation, fine yeah yeah, in those occasions or if you're on a business trip or I'm
Speaker 2:on vacation, or I'm at a club and you're not there, or you never both at a club and like they don't, and I find somebody that I would have sex with, I come and talk to you about it, tell you where I'm going, that's fine, it should just be. Or if they want to do a three way, that's also fine, it's just like I wouldn't want. I wouldn't want dating apps to be in the mix. I would want it to be between us and we like, and if you like, a.
Speaker 1:Like an old, traditional way before dating apps. So you would might. What if they have Grindr or whatever Scruff when is not with you? I think it was. They have the app, but then, when they're out, they just use the app to pull. Would you be against that?
Speaker 2:If having the app while we're dating.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let's say they go out with a friend to a club and then they just use the app to pull. Would you be against that?
Speaker 2:Uh, I mean, I guess they really can't control that, can I?
Speaker 1:No, but no. But what if they ask you if they could do?
Speaker 2:that they just have to set a boundary. Be like, hey like.
Speaker 1:That's right, yeah.
Speaker 2:I would just have to be. Like you can use it at the club, I'm comfortable with that. But like I don't feel comfortable with the scenario of when we're at a place where we should be together or in a situation where we should be together and I guess we'd have to then like lay out like okay, what kind of points and times and places are we quote-unquote supposed to be together? I guess yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't think.
Speaker 2:Reiner would make it more complex.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Because then it would require more communication.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think I know what you're saying, but I'm trying to understand if they were not doing in front. Listen, I'm not for open relationships. Personally, I get that vibe, yeah, and if I'm in a relationship I like to be monogamous. I'm not saying that's what's gonna happen in the future, but and I have tried an open relationship Anyway. So if you're not doing in front of you, why should they bother someone? For example, why should you bother you that using Reiner? Do you think it's? You said you used the word sorted. Do you think it's something dirtier about using Reiner?
Speaker 2:No, I just feel like, it's just like.
Speaker 1:When you're in a relationship.
Speaker 2:I would want it to be more organic. I think organic is just better.
Speaker 1:You want to have like they meet someone at the club and they just exchange a few looks and a kiss and then take it from there and that's fine, yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't want it to be like we're Plans. I feel like that takes the. I feel like using an app then kind of takes the energy out of the relationship, because instead of the energy being in the relationship, the energy is now in an app, because you want to try something else Rather than it being like if you see somebody that you like in public, go for it, but then being digitalized, I think.
Speaker 1:I'm with you, kind of like.
Speaker 2:First of all, I think it takes away the excitement one.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Two, I think it takes away the romance. That takes away, like the person, it takes away a lot of personal stuff I feel Does that make?
Speaker 1:sense, absolutely. Yeah, I understand now and it sounds way more planned, which is, yeah, as you said, it takes the magic off of the relationship, but it sounds like you're more inclined to. I'm not saying you're monogamous, but it sounds like you're more inclined to monogamy. It's like monogamy light. Yeah, absolutely it's monogamy light.
Speaker 2:It's not.
Speaker 1:Monogamy light.
Speaker 2:It's not monogamy, but it's not like you know. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's just monogamy light. I get it Absolutely Okay. I'm going to ask you this. So do you think it matters with how many people you slept with before?
Speaker 2:Oh, my god no.
Speaker 1:I don't care about what it counts. I think people have hang-ups about that they do, and that's why I wanted to ask you, but I didn't think you would.
Speaker 2:No, that's so and it sounds like it's so inappropriate in none of your business. Like who cares? Yeah, like people are so prudish and it needs to stop.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Do you think you'd be offended? Would you continue anything if they asked you that how many?
Speaker 2:people you slept with. Would you continue anything?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:God, I don't know. I would hope I'm not with somebody else. I wouldn't want to go on a date with somebody that's like that.
Speaker 1:I had that worry. I'm the same. I mean I don't care.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a bit weird. And if you're like my age I can understand. If you're like new, yeah, but like if you're like in your late 20s, 30s, 40s, like, why are you asking me that question?
Speaker 1:A? It's not none of your business. And why are you so obsessed with how many people I slept with before you?
Speaker 2:I was like probably upwards of 100.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah yeah, I'm not even going to count those.
Speaker 2:I'm gay, you're gay.
Speaker 1:I lost count.
Speaker 2:Like we probably, it's probably over 100. We both know that Especially. I mean okay, if you count, because everybody has a different definition of sex. So, like for me, like if you're doing activities to get someone to orgasm, that's sex. I don't care what you're doing, I don't care if you're playing with their nostril. If it's to like, get them to come, that is sex, it's not all about penetration, is it?
Speaker 2:No, but like there's a lot of people that are like, well, if it's not anal, it doesn't count. It's like, yeah, well learn a lot of people that say it's not vaginal, it doesn't count. So what does that mean? You're the only person in this country who's a virgin that's gotten gonorrhea, so I want to hear it. So I mean, if you count anal, I I don't know. I don't know if I could count. However, you know, the men see this as they just can't stop themselves.
Speaker 1:But I think it's a lot different between gay people. There are some gay people that who are not very, let's say, liberal about these things, but I think the majority of us are and are what liberal about these things. They don't care about what they count.
Speaker 2:You know they they oh yeah, I think that's for straight people, yeah, which is also disgusting.
Speaker 1:Traditional straight people, I think yeah, did you care a lot about trotting, especially in your?
Speaker 2:They only care about it for women, though.
Speaker 1:Yes, true, true when it comes to men women.
Speaker 2:It's misogyny.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's. It's contradictory, is there? There's a double standard there, I agree.
Speaker 2:Well, it's definitely been a thing for, like you know, hundreds of years. Like female rulers couldn't have, like you know, mistresses for like a better way to put it or lovers, but like male ones. Can I love history, Are you?
Speaker 1:So okay, so tell us about your. So you're not looking for a relationship and you know you're not open.
Speaker 2:I'm not like anti-relationship, but I'm not like I'm not. There's this guy who's really into me right now and I really don't understand it and I told him.
Speaker 1:You don't understand it.
Speaker 2:He's hot, he's really hot. I would have sex with him, but like he seems so conservative and I am, so not that way I was going to say. I'm sharp I was kind of prudish and I was like we are so different.
Speaker 1:Do you know?
Speaker 2:what?
Speaker 1:Maybe that's what maybe that's what would attract you to him.
Speaker 2:That he's from Prude, no.
Speaker 1:He's the opposite of you.
Speaker 2:It's borderline bad person. It's borderline bad person, like he's probably like a couple steps away from Moga hat, like it's really it's not great, like he kind of slutshames he does. He changes his opinion. When I give a strong opinion that's against his, he's like oh yeah, you're right, so he changes his opinion. I don't like that.
Speaker 1:I mean stick to your convictions.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Like okay, I'm supposed to fuck something with balls. You don't have any. Clearly.
Speaker 1:Oh, but wait. Are you like what's going on with you? Is it a situation chip? Is there a?
Speaker 2:this guy. No, we haven't even got a thing yet. He's got back from Quebec and he's supposed to message me and I'm glad he hasn't because I was going to give him a speech. Like I don't know what you want, like I am not the right girl for you, like we are so different. I don't see this working. If you want to go out for dinner, fine, I love dinner, but you also said you don't want to have sex.
Speaker 2:Don't really see on the first date, which I find is a complete Is that what he said, so you wouldn't have sex? Yeah, I'm not having sex on the first date. I look at it. Look at it as I failed.
Speaker 1:And sex doesn't have to be penetration. Doesn't that have to do with anal?
Speaker 2:That's another thing is I feel like he also has such a fucking emphasis on anal. I'm like I don't know girl.
Speaker 1:I know of us, about him listening to this podcast.
Speaker 2:I don't fucking care. I just think that my second boyfriend's name on this podcast. I hope he reaches out. You did yeah you did say to me that he wanted to be a priest at one point. It was like interesting Do that Do anything to you. No, it was just like interesting. I think it was because he has a lot of like, probably internalized homophobia, that he really understood I was 22. I mean, I didn't know shit from I didn't know shit, I was surviving.
Speaker 1:And usually go for all the men, or does it vary? It's just a coincidence that your boyfriend's were slightly older?
Speaker 2:I do like older men. I do like older men a lot, but I really am trying. I'm not going to like date somebody that's like more than 14 years old.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Once they get past that, it starts to look like, especially if they lie about their age. Well, also, like I started thinking about, like the future, it's like okay, yeah, like.
Speaker 1:Oh really.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think about the future, like what that could look like.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So Do you think they'd be 70 at some point, and then you completely different, and I'll give it a hot 55.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But it would be so, like it'd be. So my situation though. Of course there'll be a hot 70. I'll be disgusting. 55, and like I will want him.
Speaker 1:Or, if you like, the person. I don't think age would matter that much. If you last until. If you, your relationship would last until 70 years of age.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah. Well, I mean nothing is nothing's in stone, nothing's forever, it's yeah, but yeah. So I mean I mean like there is like there, I think I'm at the age where I'm perfect for every age demographic. So I've been getting like 18 year olds and 18 year olds reaching out to me.
Speaker 1:Oh God, hot, where you don't have any In New York. What is approaching and say, oh, I know who you are.
Speaker 2:I don't know girl. There was another one who lives in like Pennsylvania. I think she's cute, but like I'm like, girl I'm not. If you happen to be in the city and like those stars align, fine, and the reason is because I feel like for gay men it's not Obviously it would be legal, but like.
Speaker 2:I actually have my conversations with this with my friend all the time. Who's a woman where it's like okay, like there's an obvious like Power dynamic with men and women, yeah, so like that's also like it looked. It looked bad, but I feel like for guys it's slightly different because we're both guys. And also the other thing is I remember being 18, yeah, and I remember like wanting to just like experience being gay and like what it means and like learn from people, stuff like that, like they didn't know anything and look in fucking Utah, so like, if it feels right and the stars align, fine. But I'm not searching for people who were younger than me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm not searching for 19, 20 year olds, whatever. I'm not looking for young like young people like that. No, if anything, I would want someone who's older than me or my age.
Speaker 1:Hmm.
Speaker 2:So, but also like I mean, like I don't really have a type, so like if you're hot, whatever.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think age is just a number for you, for now at least really care. Yeah, can I ask you something? This is, I mean, it's not a secret, everyone knows this, but was it? Was it Michael Boston? Is he your brother? Cuz? You guys really look like twins.
Speaker 2:He's my brother.
Speaker 1:I thought so, but I don't know cuz. No, I kind of did, but not from, not from you, though. I was justly not. It was online or whatever, but you guys look like like twins, so I just wanted to Know not, you look like twins, but you're not twins I we are twins. No way, okay, so that's news for me, that's news to me really.
Speaker 2:Well, if you're on Google, you would have noticed that was the first search result. When you look at Michael Boston, michael Boston's twin, oh, that's you where you bit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're around. Clearly you look like twins, but I didn't think you were twins. That makes sense. Oh, nice, nice, yes, okay, I'm gonna ask you about this. So is it in the point industry, of course, and you've decided not to do it. So, no, would you ever do? Would you ever?
Speaker 2:I mean, if I had to I Would do it, cuz like obviously money's there, but like I, I really I don't think I could do it.
Speaker 1:So you would be a necessity for you if you had to do it.
Speaker 2:There was a necessity. What if it's a necessity? Out you almost anything but like yeah, if I'm about to be hungry, or like lose my house yeah. I mean obviously, but like I just, I just don't know if I have the emotional capacity, I don't know if I. It's such a fucking physical and emotional job. Those people deserve to get paid well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a long days.
Speaker 2:Yeah you have to look perfect. You have to make sure that you are due To your gills right, you don't eat and look at modium and like all this shit sounds horrible and honestly it's it's to the point where I'm an anti-poor or anything. I do feel like there should be disclaimers important, saying like these this is like actual sex, like this is like a depiction of a fantasy course, kind of like a don't try this at home kids kind of a thing.
Speaker 1:You know it's not as glamorous as a, as it looks no, oh my god.
Speaker 2:No, I did one. I did it. I was a, what's it called? I was like a feature, I guess. Right, just like move the plot. Okay and I would. So I was there for like as long as he was there for the most part. Yeah, it sounds. It seemed grueling, it seemed horrible. I just would not want to do it.
Speaker 1:Why is?
Speaker 2:that it's not fun.
Speaker 1:Well, what was the? The horror bit the grueling.
Speaker 2:It's a long day, okay, and also you have to. I mean you don't have to, but like I Wouldn't want straight guys touching me.
Speaker 1:But what is straight in?
Speaker 2:there's a lot of straight guys in the porn industry because they'll make more money.
Speaker 1:The gay baits, as they call them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay. So if you're straight, they're willing to pay you more than if they're. The gay person Is it bad, that.
Speaker 1:I think that's vile, I think it's disgusting. I think that's why me too.
Speaker 2:I think that's really bad when gay You're coming into a case, into a gay arena to take, to take opportunities from other gay porn actors, and then on top of that you steal wages for profit, absolutely for profit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're taking all the other persons. I think. It's the free market, of course, but I don't have to buy into it and I of course it's the free market.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, that's the exception argument someone would be it's the free market. It's like, well, no shit.
Speaker 1:No, I know, I know, I hair is brown.
Speaker 2:Are there any facts?
Speaker 1:Absolutely yeah, but you mentioned I'm only a bit I saw someone on Twitter, I think it was yesterday and I think I don't know if it was a joke. I don't think it was. I think it took 10 Imogeums and it was like Did you see? That Did you see that?
Speaker 2:Yes, I did, I was like girl, god bless.
Speaker 1:Because he got, really, you got roasted on Twitter and I thought, no wonder, I mean, I don't, I don't see, I don't see the upside of it, I think she's lying.
Speaker 2:It sounds like a lot. It sounds that sounds bad. I don't. My brother does a lot of crazy stuff but I've never heard him say take 10 of them 10 of them.
Speaker 1:I mean it's bad enough. 10? Yeah, I don't say you don't believe that.
Speaker 2:I don't believe her.
Speaker 1:I don't know. I don't know what will they want to believe anymore? It's possible I don't know.
Speaker 2:We could look, we could google what it would do your body. I just don't believe that taking 10 of Odeon.
Speaker 1:And it depends on the person as well. Well, yeah, so, because you're talking about the industry, but what about only fans? That's kind of I'm not saying you, I have one still but like.
Speaker 2:I am slowly letting it die. It's not dying fast enough.
Speaker 1:Why is that? Because you just can't, it's not your thing? Or is it just because everyone's on only fans nowadays what everyone's on only fans these days?
Speaker 2:everyone's on only fans and the market is the fucking saturated yeah, like it was dying. And then someone also sent me a clip and someone stole A video. I wasn't making like high quality content, but someone stole something off my page. I was like, uh, no, no, we're shutting this down, we're deleting everything.
Speaker 1:It happens a lot, doesn't it?
Speaker 2:Yeah. So it was like okay, like I can't. I mean often, like it was, I was doing things where, like, I feel Like it was done, like well enough. Where I think, if someone like in the future, like is this you? And they played it for me, like yeah, I looked hot, you're welcome. Um, yeah, because I made. Basically whenever I post or whatever I do, I try to make sure it's done in a way that it was like somehow brought up to me as like to like make me feel bad about myself. I'd be like yes, I look great.
Speaker 2:Did you jerk off to it? Did you enjoy? It, it's like it wouldn't phase me because it looks so good to me, um, but I just deleted everything because I didn't want people feeling shit, making money off my shit.
Speaker 1:That's what I mean to jerk enough, but it's not. That's not the point. The point is you're doing only fans for a reason. You're not doing only fans, so can people can confront you with those videos and say how is that you?
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I just like, who cares?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I guess who cares like.
Speaker 2:It's like, if you're, I don't know, you know, I don't know. I think the world is in such a weird flux right now. It's like.
Speaker 1:But I think I don't know.
Speaker 2:I'm trying to live my life.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm just gonna mention your brother just one last time. I think even if you wanted to do porn, I think he probably would have been a great role model for you, because it is in it, so he could probably give you advice about it.
Speaker 2:He told me if I wanted to do it, I'd have to go a different route.
Speaker 1:Really.
Speaker 2:Yes, because he's done it all.
Speaker 1:Yeah so.
Speaker 2:Which is fine, because I would want to be more into like Dom, like more like bondagey type stuff.
Speaker 1:Anyways that's like King King King porn yeah that's fine.
Speaker 2:He's not even into that, that's fine.
Speaker 1:No, ah okay, I still can't believe you twins anyway. But but I'm not surprised in in a way, because I that was my first it thought. But then I thought I'm do not twins in, they can be twins, I mean, it isn't muscular, it isn't muscular.
Speaker 2:Because he has to be.
Speaker 1:No, but I'm talking about the facial, the facial bit.
Speaker 2:Well, you know, boys will do that, boys will do that what. I said boys will do that Girl, Don't tell her. Don't tell her, so get mad at me.
Speaker 1:But I mean you know I don't Too late. No, it's just between us.
Speaker 2:It's just between us girls. Oh, I mean, if he got upset about that I'd be like honey, you just look it up and your face is a little bit different, it's OK. You have a big body. Your face is a little bit different, that's OK.
Speaker 1:That's what I thought you were in twins. I'm just saying he's got a big, he's got a great body, but like I mean, his face is just a little bit. He's got a great face too.
Speaker 2:Our face shapes have always been a little bit different.
Speaker 1:Oh stop, you both look equally attractive Stop.
Speaker 2:Don't let's say he's ugly. I'm just saying our face shapes. If you're basing on the face shape, the face shapes have always been slightly different.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they are different. Yeah, that's what I thought. Twins are not identical twins. That was my first Identical twins. We're identical. There you go. Yes, you learn something every day. You're welcome.
Speaker 2:I don't think this is what they meant when that sang was created.
Speaker 1:OK, so what we're going to do just before we wrap up this is what I always do I'm going to talk about food and drinks, because this is wine and dine. Ok, so if I went to Brooklyn or Queens, you'd have to tell me what it was to start with. But why would you recommend me to go for a meal In Brooklyn or Queens or anywhere, to be honest, anywhere in New York?
Speaker 2:Anywhere, oh anywhere, yeah Gosh, let me think, let me think, let me think I don't go out. Oh, I would go, ok, oh, ok. So does this feel? Ok, mm-hmm? So I, if you want to get something with like bright picture, rask, you go to black tap.
Speaker 1:OK, tell them what is it.
Speaker 2:They have these crazy milkshakes that have like you can get like a birthday cake milkshake and it has like literally like a slice of cake on it.
Speaker 1:What's it called? Black tap, black tap Tap. Yeah, where is that again?
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's like they have a few locations OK so it's a chain. It's a Manhattan, it's a chain. Oh, how are you saying that? I felt so judged, you know, let me find something else. No, that's not what I meant. What I meant to you is more than one. There's more than one I love my. Do you know why there's a chain so you can't go wrong with black tap, ok, I see it now.
Speaker 1:Ooh, that looks nice. It looks even better like garlic. It's perfect. It's perfect. It's perfect. I was going to say they look very, very social media-y.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they look very Instagram-able, they're very good, I like it.
Speaker 1:Beautiful, oh nice.
Speaker 2:There's something near my neck of the woods out of New York. Technically it's called. I don't want to promote them because they didn't play a funky role in my breakup, but they're great, it's called, and it's of course. They're great because I go to the gym. They're going to laugh, it's called. Ooh, what's it called?
Speaker 1:Denny's.
Speaker 2:Yeah, denny's, is that what you meant? Is that?
Speaker 1:what you meant, no girl. It's a Mexican place.
Speaker 2:What's it? What's it called a derogatory term for white boys, Spanish.
Speaker 1:Gringo. Yes, it's called Gringo, gringo, gringos.
Speaker 2:This is the Jersey City. This is not a town Jersey.
Speaker 1:This is local. Okay, this is.
Speaker 2:My last boyfriend and I would go there all the time.
Speaker 1:Okay, that's what I was going to ask you what was so funky about your? It was so yummy.
Speaker 2:Oh well, I went out to brunch with my friend and he said he posted something on Instagram and said I hope you're enjoying the heat, oh. And then I took a picture eating a quesadilla and then I posted Instagram and I said really enjoying this beautiful hot weather.
Speaker 1:You're funny.
Speaker 2:I am that bitch.
Speaker 1:You are that bitch Gringo's. Oh nice, okay, next time on the house.
Speaker 2:There's also a diner that I live next to that I love. It's called City Diner. I also don't think that's a chain either.
Speaker 1:Okay, so do you know what that got in your head? You got a bit like paranoid about us.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean if you're going to like. I mean, if you're traveling somewhere, you probably shouldn't go to chains, but I was going to have black tap in England.
Speaker 1:No, we don't. We have one, dennis, though.
Speaker 2:Oh, just the one, denny's the whole country?
Speaker 1:I think so, and I think that the odd Popeyes, popeyes is good, is it Actually? I've only been one type, I can't remember.
Speaker 2:Maybe not in England.
Speaker 1:I went in Vegas.
Speaker 2:Oh, Popeyes is good. What did?
Speaker 1:you get I don't remember Something with rice, because I love rice. We're drunk A little bit, a little bit Not going to lie A ton. Yeah. What about your favorite drink? I know you like drinking alcohol. I know you like your vodka red.
Speaker 2:I know you like drinking alcohol. I'm not an alcoholic.
Speaker 1:No, but you said you love your binge drinking here and there. No, I didn't say I love binge drinking. So that's, I guess what I do, it just happens, it just happens yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay. Well, what's the fucking difference Like a healthy drinker, for a male would be two drinks a day. That's crazy. That, in my mind, is alcoholism.
Speaker 1:But what do you call binge drinking? Because you mentioned three drinks.
Speaker 2:Apparently it's more than four.
Speaker 1:I don't think that's binge drinking. I think that's just pre-drinking Girl who came up with his, with his definition.
Speaker 2:I didn't make the rules.
Speaker 1:You just have been drinking.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying.
Speaker 1:So it's vodka, your favorite drink. What it's vodka, your favorite drink? Or I'd use milk to drink.
Speaker 2:No, oh God, no, my favorite. You're like really painting a picture of your arms. Yeah, this is my favorite drink.
Speaker 1:This binge drinking gringo.
Speaker 2:No, my favorite drink that's. I don't really like I. I alcohol is like a tool and something like social and fun to do.
Speaker 1:Of course.
Speaker 2:It's not something I. I don't love alcohol.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So my favorite drink in general would probably be like something sweet, so like I love it smoothie.
Speaker 1:That's awesome.
Speaker 2:I love milkshakes, like I love sweet stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like you got sweet tooth milkshakes from this place that you mentioned. What's it called? Again, black tap, black tap, black tap, or smoothie, what kind of smoothie? Strawberry, anything that's like. Yummy, lovely, lovely. Dylan, dylan, curry, love is speaking to you.
Speaker 2:Likewise, this has been a fun journey.
Speaker 1:Ah cute, we have to come back, we have to do another one.
Speaker 2:Sure, whatever you want. I hope I wasn't too rambling.
Speaker 1:You weren't rambling, you were like, you were fun, you were really fun to talk to, seriously.
Speaker 2:There you go. Good, I'm glad.
Speaker 1:I'm sure you got a lot more to say, but you know, come back.
Speaker 2:Too much.
Speaker 1:You have too much you do, we do, all right, everyone. Thanks for listening.