Sex, Power, and Politics: Jaxton Wheeler’s Unfiltered Truth

Curious about the real stories behind the sex work industry? In this episode, Christopher, who’s most commonly known as Jaxton Wheeler, shares his experiences and insights. He talks about the importance of stage names for safety in the adult film industry, dealing with obsessed fans, and the heavy stigma sex workers face. Jaxton also discusses topics like personal responsibility, victimhood mentalities, and constitutional issues.

From stripping at the age of 19 to starring in adult films, Jaxton’s journey is both heart-wrenching and inspiring. He opens up about moral challenges in sex work, his experiences within the LGBT community, and societal debates on gender and sexuality. We also tackle controversial topics like abortion, masculinity, and the impact of religion and spirituality on personal growth. This episode is packed with thought-provoking discussions that will challenge and inspire you.

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Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:18

Hey Jackson, how are you doing? I'm very well. How are you doing?

Speaker 2: 0:26

I'm very well. How are you doing, boss?

Speaker 1: 0:28

I'm great Thanks for coming on the pod. I really appreciate that. Really nice to meet you.

Speaker 2: 0:34

Absolutely. Thank you for having me.

Speaker 1: 0:35

Thank you, right, so let's just jump straight to it. So I'm just going to ask you this is what was going to happen. I'm going to ask you about your career and your personal background and then, because I'm really interested in your politics, I want to jump into that because apparently there's been a shift in the way you vote, at least who you vote for, and that's what I want to get to.

Speaker 2: 0:56

Yeah, we can discuss that, that's fine.

Speaker 1: 0:57

I love that. And then we can always talk about your current projects or any plans that you have in the future. And then about your current projects or any plans that you have in the future, and then, yeah, let's do.

Speaker 2: 1:12

That sounds good to me, cool, okay, so I'm just gonna ask you, tell us a bit about yourself. You know, let's let us get acquainted to you, uh, you know so. Uh, uh, my real name is christopher, as, uh, some of y'all will find out, obviously. Um, we all use a stage name mainly as to hide our family. You know, when you're doing sex work, you're not necessarily opening yourself up to the highest intellectual interest. You know, a lot of people become obsessed. A lot of people can't differentiate between fantasy and reality, and so it's really for protection on us. You know, we don't want people showing up at our houses, at our jobs, or harassing our family, or you know, you get a lot of people throughout the industry you'll hear, um, people who are, who live in misery, love to attempt to drag others down to feel better about themselves.

Speaker 2: 2:18

Yeah, yeah, we made it way too easy. You know people love the idea of oh, does your family know? Does know, does this know? Does this know? Let's make sure they do know. And it's not coming from a place of them attempting to be a good person either. They're pieces of shit and misery loves company. I wouldn't say people like that. There's good and evil. There's so much evil in the world. There's so many lost people, and when you're lost you're not going to do anything good.

Speaker 1: 2:46

Yeah, that's a very good point. I also think that people just are ignorant. They're not necessarily evil, they just don't know what they're doing. Until they do it. I've never done it, I would never do that.

Speaker 2: 2:57

There are different levels of evil, right, and look, evil is evil is evil. So at the end of the day, an evil act is an evil act, right? Whether people intentionally are evil or not is a whole different thing. No-transcript, that's still. You're giving yourself a chance to be hurt and then when you're hurt, you're probably not getting tested and you're probably willing to spread it around too, like, and it's not even a matter of intent, but that's still evil, that's still a faction of evil I absolutely agree with you.

Speaker 1: 3:39

I I think and you just brought a very good point we're going to continue to talk about your career, but you mentioned having sex with multiple people. Do you think that's because I don't think anything good comes out of it. But obviously we're all entitled to redeem ourselves at some points and some people yeah, as you said, they might be lost but they still can be found, and I agree with that Absolutely.

Speaker 2: 4:03

And that's on the person, though, too. You know what I agree with that? Absolutely, you know, and that's, but that's. And that's on the person, though, too, you know. I mean, like we are, we are born of ignorance. We're all born stupid. Whether you choose to stay stupid or not is on you, it's up to you.

Speaker 2: 4:13

Yeah, it's not anyone's fault 100 on you and that's that's what people struggle with. You know, we and we have a, we have a culture right now that that praises victimhood mentalities, like it's it's to somebody who has taken it upon themselves to help themselves. And once you realize, like the sky's the limit, you first off. You know, being in a victimhood mentality is about as mediocre mediocre as it fucking gets I agree, and I cannot stand mediocrity, it's always someone else, I agree and I cannot stand mediocrity.

Speaker 1: 4:45

It's always someone else's, it's always everyone else's problem, it's never our problem. I agree with you, and I have an episode on my podcast called Cancel Culture, and I know some people don't believe in that, but I really throw my heart out. I'm sick of it. To be honest, I'm sick of it. I can't believe how people have the audacity to dictate how you, how you feel about certain things and and when you should stop saying certain things. That's not freedom of speech, in my opinion no, and that's you know.

Speaker 2: 5:14

That's another thing. I have a new podcast of my own. It's called my first amendment, right? Yeah, uh, I'm an avid constitutionalist. I've always been an avid constitutionalist. My whole like. Since I was a kid I've been an avid constitutionalist. You know, when I went through civics class, I fully bought into that it is my civic duty to stay informed, um, and be up to date with current events and know what's going on, because if all of us just fuck off and don't care, then we leave it in the hands of a small group of people that really don't care about us. Yeah, and never in history has that ever played out well for the masses.

Speaker 1: 5:51

No, no so, but let's get back to your. So tell us where you're from and how did you get into the industry. How did you get into porn? You?

Speaker 2: 6:01

know, when I was at the peak of my career. You know and I've gone through some changes and growing up you know maybe I didn't want to admit how down I was when I got into the industry, how much I was struggling with things in my personal life when I got into the industry, my personal life when I got into the industry. I'm at a firm point now that I really believe you can't really believe in yourself and get into the adult industry, because we all know what it comes with. I mean, maybe you're ignorant to understanding that the moment you do any hardcore porn, you're going to cut off a lot of opportunities for yourself. You're going to cut off a lot of opportunities for yourself. You're going to make life harder on yourself Just because how society is perception versus reality, versus what you think it is. You have to make sure you're aligned the right way.

Speaker 2: 6:58

When I got into it I was tired of the mainstream.

Speaker 2: 7:01

I was tired of the mainstream, but the biggest thing was I had he didn't die, but I had lost my first son in my life and I was dragged and it wasn't just like losing him, but the way it was done to me and we'll get into it a little bit, but it was just pure fucking evil the way that was done and I had went from taking the control of my life at the age of 10 and bringing myself to where I was pretty much a model citizen like I um, I was.

Speaker 2: 7:36

I was something that if I would have kept going on the path that I was going, that, uh, I was quite confident that I could go out and say, young man, do it like this. And there'd be nothing you could use against me to say, oh, but you did this. So, like now, I have a porn career, right. So as I move forward and I'm trying to teach men how to deal with mental health issues and I'm trying to say it's not that I want to say, look at me and do it my way. I'm trying to say, look at me, all of this can happen to you and you way.

Speaker 1: 8:07

I'm trying to say, look at me, all this can happen to you and you can still make the decision to be a better man in this world, absolutely, and sometimes it's not about your past, it's about don't do what I did. Do what I'm telling you. That's just. That's why you have alcoholics at aa meetings?

Speaker 2: 8:17

exactly that's why you have convicted felons. Are speakers letting kids know like hey, don't do this? Yeah, they're the best ones because I'm lucky, they're like I'm lucky to have made it out unscathed. But most of people that I've seen are dead, yeah, or diseased or homeless or crazy or still suicidal or it's, or they're just that. You know they smile in their instagram and their Twitter posts, but I know fucking damn well they live in hell mentally.

Speaker 1: 8:48

And that's it. We don't learn from smiley faces on Instagram. We learn from examples, and don't take this the wrong way. Like you, for example, you just mentioned your porn past and, yeah, that's a perfect example to show to the kids. Basically, this is what I did. If you want to do it, be yourself, you're free to do whatever you want, but there are consequences.

Speaker 2: 9:08

Say don't be a fucking idiot, don't do it you're more blunt than I am I spent my career helping people stay away yeah everybody comes, you know, everybody comes to the porn store.

Speaker 2: 9:20

Hey, how do I get into it? And I, and I really sit down with that. I'm like, why do you want to get into this? Do you even understand what this brings to your life? You're not happy because of money, bro. I wish somebody would have talked to me when I was 21 or 23, about to get into it, like, hey, you know, if you just take a few years, you actually have the potential to still be quite something else.

Speaker 1: 9:40

You don't need this, but I think for them it's easy money. I think for them it's easy money as well. It's not just money and it's also the bubble they live in. Do you agree?

Speaker 2: 9:47

Yeah, it encourages it. They're like, hey, it's no big deal. The rise of OnlyFans, I really feel, is one of the most sinister things that was done in the country and I believe it's all been done on purpose, because now anybody that wants to aspire to be anything, when they want to enter the corporate world at least in the united states, you have no job protection. Yeah, so let's say, you get out of only fans. You did a few scenes. It's out there forever. Now, right, somebody downloaded it's out there.

Speaker 2: 10:12

So you work your way up the corporate ladder, you go back to school, you're just about to become the ceo and take care of your family forever. Boom, there goes a video. You're fired. No pension, no, nothing, no shit. Now, if you live in europe and like germany, there's some like laws and protections against that, but most of us live in the states, yeah. So, yeah, you know I can't speak to over there, but even still I will say the industry, the sex industry, is nothing good. It doesn't promote positive mental health. You know you're dealing with people objectifying you, literally thinking that you're the bottom of the barrel because you decided to do sex work do you have friends in the industry or former friends that are people that used to know that died of it?

Speaker 2: 10:56

oh, died of what?

Speaker 1: 10:58

of any, anything, anything mental health related suicide is rampant in the industry.

Speaker 2: 11:05

I mean it doesn't get talked as much on the LGBT side because you know we don't have the coverage the mainstream has Anytime a female dies, you know, it's covered, it's covered. It's covered, it's covered Anytime a gay guy dies or a bisexual man dies or a trans person dies. It's just another day.

Speaker 1: 11:21

Yeah, that is true, and that's something that needs to be changed, to be honest, yeah, but you know we need to go back to society.

Speaker 2: 11:28

You know where kids understand that this is not something that you should aspire to do. It really is not. There's literally only been one person I helped get into the industry and it was a trans person and they were in a place in Ohio that had no job opportunities and their dad was literally beating the fuck out of them every day and I was traveling and I literally paid for their flight to Dallas with me and I connected them with a few other top trans models because I'm not trans. I don't fucking know shit about how trans person, but I knew the people that would. So I got them away from their abuser for a second and you know, just as before, like trans rights too and everything like that. So I'm like I'm trying to figure out, like I really don't want you in this industry, but I don't want you to get killed at home I mean no, that's an extreme example, though.

Speaker 2: 12:33

Let's be honest here. The majority of this country is not going after trans people. Majority of trans people are not going to get killed by their parents. Like, fuck your feelings, I don't give a fuck. If you don't feel comfortable, that's on, that's in your fucking head for you to figure out. That's probably your parents fucked you up, I'm gonna be dead ass. Honest, like we'll get to that as well. Like my journey out of it, like realizing some things and how old were you when you started?

Speaker 2: 12:57

um, so technically right, I dipped my toes into the adult industry I think the first time. I was 19,. I did stripping. That is a young age. No, this wasn't public or anything. I was up in Maine at the time. Uh, I didn't do any vote. Uh, I did do one video. Um, no, it was 20. Yeah, I was 20, about to turn 21. I did a video that never, I've never seen surface anywhere, with three women and, uh, I had to get drunk as shit to do it because I was so nervous and then because I still had my morals about me, I was dating this girl. I couldn't bring myself to fuck any of them, so I just ate one's pussy and then jacked off on the other one while making out with another. To me that was like.

Speaker 1: 13:40

I was like look, I had an opportunity to fuck him, but I didn't yeah, yeah, yeah yeah that was like the last of my morals that's curious, though, because you still had you've always had moralists, but in that, in this sense, you still had morals, but you still went ahead and did it, because I crossed the line right okay, so like I still had lines in other places, right, but it was like the, the moral, the moral sense of cheating.

Speaker 2: 14:06

I mean, god, you get into sex work and you're having sex all the time, like probably the first thing that's going to happen is you're going to become a habitual cheater.

Speaker 1: 14:14

That's the thing you know. Having relationships while you do porn. That's another topic that people have talked about.

Speaker 2: 14:20

Yeah, that was a road. When I first first got into it, I didn't even tell the girl that that was a road. Uh, when I first first got into it, I didn't even tell the girl that I was dating, and she eventually found out and that was that. Never do that again. You know, I made it.

Speaker 2: 14:31

I was young and and again, um, I'm gonna relate this back to not having good people in your life. They guide you. At the end of the day, it's up to you, but when you're young and you're growing up this is why fathers are so fucking important to have a good father in your life, or even a good grandfather you need somebody to A tell you that. You know, look, as long as you work hard, you can become something. You know.

Speaker 2: 15:02

There's so many ways to do it them. You know there's, there's so many ways to do it, and at 36 years old right now I'm even learning more and more stuff that if I would have known at a young, young age, my, my, my thought pattern of the projection of my own life would have been completely different. But I didn't have. I didn't have any like the people that I see now. They were. I don't want to say pieces of shit, but they were. I don't want to say pieces of shit, but they were really in no position to try to help a young kid trying to figure out how to be sufficient enough to raise his own family in New England.

Speaker 1: 15:33

That's really sad.

Speaker 2: 15:35

You know and, but again, I I made my choices and I and I knew, and I knew right before I got into the industry I had my reasonings. I grew up knowing what it's like to be ostracized, to be marginalized and everything like that. So I kind of identified with the LGBT community, even though I was kind of on the bi spectrum. The pansexual is not a real thing. Let's just be open and honest here. There's only two genders, so you can either be gay, you only like a man liking a man you're a woman liking a woman.

Speaker 2: 16:14

That's a lesbian, or you're bisexual. You can fuck either. Right, good job. There's no more terminology there. And then trans just simply means you were born one gender and you think you're the other gender, and then that just applies. That's the current, that's the current debate.

Speaker 1: 16:33

That's the current debate that's been going on. I can ask you about that. So what do you, what do you think is going to happen? How are you moving the needle in terms of the narrative?

Speaker 2: 16:40

oh, my god, um, so apparently the whole entire fucking community doesn't know what a pendulum is. They were never taught just basic life, morality and balance and cause and effect. And you know it's like. You know. What's funny is like the country is propping up the extreme minorities right and to a point it's like okay, like we can all agree that nobody should have to walk the street in fear of being attacked for who they decide to fuck behind closed doors. Because let's make this perfectly clear In the United States of America you're not supposed to be having sex in public.

Speaker 1: 17:26

That's illegal. I also think that there's a lot of scaremongering going on and I think people yes, people get killed, people get harassed all the time for their sexual orientation period.

Speaker 2: 17:38

People get killed for all sorts of reasons?

Speaker 1: 17:39

Exactly Not just that, not just that exactly think. I think people like to scare among the others yes absolutely, and I think it comes from the top. It's all one, in my opinion, one big, huge scapegoat kind of attitude victimhood mentality that's it, yeah, yeah you know, look, I grew up in central florida.

Speaker 2: 18:00

I grew up, I went to an all-black school. I lived in a black neighborhood. I got my ass beat every fucking day.

Speaker 1: 18:08

And yet you're not a victim.

Speaker 2: 18:10

I don't. There's not a, there's not a prejudice going in my body. I don't walk around one black person being like, oh, I don't see a group of black people and be like, oh, I'm like, bro, we were fucking kids. Shut the fuck up. Like you, step to me now I'll knock your fucking jaw through your teeth there you go.

Speaker 1: 18:28

Kids can be nasty, but that doesn't mean people don't evolve exactly. I agree with you exactly like.

Speaker 2: 18:33

But here's the thing you know what you know, what you don't do in society. You don't bug someone who has like has nothing to do with you. You don't force your views on people. Whether that's religion, whether that's sports, whether that's politics, it never ends well. And then I also say like, okay, like the whole conversation of pride, what is respectful about celebrating the lowest common denominator of humanity, your sexual identity? There's nothing, there's nothing to be respected in that. But when I first started doing the pride parades, I just noticed it kept getting more and more salacious and I'm like you know, you guys are walking through the public and you want the public to respect you and you want to be one of them, because the whole point was to win the battle of equality, right? Yeah?

Speaker 1: 19:28

and this is that's a very good point, because I again, I have another episode on this podcast when I talk about pride and I'm in other words, I, I mentioned we're not celebrities. I don't need to parade myself, so people can. We already have equality, I think of parading themselves because there's some kind of celebrities, but we're not celebrities, we're like everyone else. I don't need to put I don't need parades, I, I only need rights. That's all I need.

Speaker 2: 19:53

I don't care about pride exactly you just want like you like, look, just like and look. You really don't see a lot of straight people on a sunday afternoon around a lot of kids just making out and groping the fuck out of each other. That is you know, the decorum matters, etiquette matters, being aware of your surrounding matters, and if you want anybody to even have a shred of respect for you, you need to have respect for everybody around you at all fucking times.

Speaker 1: 20:21

I left last year. Last year I went to pride, uh, with my friend. I was there for like an year. I went to Pride with my friend. I was there for like an hour and I saw people doing drugs on the street, doing whatever, it was just partying. And you know what I did? I got the tube back home. I thought, no, I've had it, you have fun.

Speaker 2: 20:37

And I have kids. My kids don't even know that I've ever been involved in anything adult. So if you, if you're going to understand, like where I believe kids should be in terms of this or anything sexual, it's not for them. So lgbt is literally only referring to your sexual preference. It doesn't belong around minors I, I agree with you.

Speaker 1: 21:01

I think now that's what it represents, but I don't think you represented that and you said that before. You didn't represent that. In the 60s 70s, it represented something completely different. Oh yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2: 21:11

And men knew that. Gay men knew that. Leave the kids alone. This isn't about the kids, it's just about us as a public. We're adults now. You've got your rock bars, you. You got your places where lawyers hang out, and this is where the gays hang out.

Speaker 2: 21:27

But we're not bringing kids into this, we're not trying to push just on kids like, look, a gay person will figure out they're gay on their own. Lesbian will figure out they're a lesbian on their own. Bisexual guy will figure out he's buying around and straight dudes are. You know, whatever it goes, even they, even when we go through puberty like puberty is blind, right, you don't need to swish it or wash it, we all figure it out on our own right, like you might fool around with your friend. But eventually you're like, yeah, I want kids and I I like eating pussy. Like, yeah, dude, I'm sorry what do you say?

Speaker 1: 21:58

you know, if I had to play devil's advocate? What do you say to people who says, no, this is not about us being sexual, this is not about about our which, by the way, we're very sexual. Uh, this is not about that. This is about because, because, because we've been repressed for so many years and therefore we, we have to express ourselves.

Speaker 2: 22:17

I agree with you, you know so I would say, you know, like okay, yeah, I get you've been repressed, and that's why we did the whole thing of bringing awareness out, but you have to understand like the majority of the population doesn't give a fuck about you, us, and it's like okay, yeah, okay, like okay. Marriage we got gay marriage, and that applies to women as well, and then then it was like trans rights, and but here's, here's the thing with trans people. It is gender dysphoria, say, is there is a very minute percentage of actual, real trans people who are not just really in need of just like help and it's not and I don't say that because I don't want to bash them but like, like for like they're people, they're human beings and they and they come from, nine times out of ten, they come from a very fucked up family, and I tell you what mothers are the most responsible for fucking up kids. Because here's the thing men are not designed, men are not meant to be. Emotional Emotions in men are evil.

Speaker 1: 23:43

You're touching in an area which I find it very interesting. It kind of falls into the red pill territory, where men are the provider and women are the nurturing person. So have you met Blair White? I know we're talking about trans people and we talk about red pill.

Speaker 2: 24:01

I heard that name the other day, but I follow Buck buck angel a book. Yeah, yeah on twitter yeah yeah, yeah, I've known about bucking and followed buck. We followed each other for years because we were both at like the apex of the industry right we're the industry leaders we're the voices of reason.

Speaker 2: 24:19

And again, I was always about korean's rights. But I I've always had my hard lines on shit, right, I'm for things that are logical. I'm not for emotional bullshit, because emotions aren't real. We have to live a life based in logic and that's why, men, I mean, go look around the world. We leave the fucking world for a fucking reason, because I'm sorry, but I would never I'm so happy I was born a man just because our brain chemistry is different. Look if, as a man, if you've ever you know, in lgbtq community, it's much more uh, common for men to deal with, like testosterone and steroids right so you even get a little bit of an education what you're doing when you're messing with your own hormones.

Speaker 2: 25:02

And if you've ever gone off of testosterone, what happens is your test levels drop and you have a higher ratio of estrogen to testosterone. If you ever had a thought while your brain's like that oh my god, is it a fucking roller coaster ride like? I remember the one time I did it and literally almost every thought sent me into a suicidal pattern. I'm just like, oh my god, I never like and that's. But that's what women are born with. Some of them are.

Speaker 2: 25:29

It can be maybe slightly like this, but the moment the estrogen is higher than the testosterone chemically wise like you're, it's very hard to control emotions yeah this isn't like a fault of theirs, but this is why every like, when you write laws, when you're passing laws, when you're talking about how society should be, it always has to be grounded in logic. And only that, like all this science that's coming out, has been completely debunked. It was paid for, it was bullshit, it was not peer reviewed the right way, it didn't even go through the right scientific process to be called science. And so now we've been lying to people, telling kids there's 1,700 different genders, telling women that they can like, telling men that they can be women. No, you can be trans, you will never be a woman. So now we're trampling on women's rights. Now we have guys.

Speaker 1: 26:27

That's the whole debate that's been happening of trans in the toilets and trans in sports.

Speaker 2: 26:37

Trans in sports is like my heart. I know as an athlete. It's just like. If trans people want to do sports, create your own fucking league problem solved. But we don't have the numbers, neither the women at the beginning. You fucking fag.

Speaker 1: 26:53

What about prisons?

Speaker 2: 26:55

oh, definitely, definitely do not want to put a trans person in with women. And you know, here's the thing it's on the prisons, and in prison and outside the United States is much different than prison in the United States. Prison in the United States, I'd say, is one of the most corrupt things as well. Okay, so you know, there is a way to put them in a male's prison and keep them safe, but we're not going to pay to do so. So that's so. That doesn't mean they don't belong with the males because they got a dick and and just and just god's honest truth.

Speaker 2: 27:33

Like for fuck's sake, have women not like you, trans haven't fought for that fucking long women been fighting for fucking ever like? Like? Let's really break it down here. This is just a bunch of weak fucking men wanting special fucking treatment, and now they're trampling on women's rights because they think it's easier to live a life of a woman than it is the man. The fuck up and be a fucking man. And yeah, it is hard. But you know what is such a blessing to be a man too. You know why? Because I can walk down the street anywhere in the fucking world and I don't have half the worries a woman has, and then when women are around me, they feel safe. Yeah, if I'm, if I'm walking around a bunch of fucking women because you're the protector.

Speaker 2: 28:15

You know who has my back. If I'm around a bunch of women me, I gotta have eyes in both fucking places. They will stand around yelling, not doing shit as I'm getting stabbed. Women are not the protectors in society. Ever A burning. A fucking building is burning. Who's running into that shit? Men, I don't want to see a woman try to carry my ass out. We'll both die.

Speaker 1: 28:37

Do you watch or do you listen to the whatever podcast?

Speaker 2: 28:41

I probably heard.

Speaker 1: 28:42

Fresh and Fit. Maybe that's basically what they say. They say the exact same thing and it's not.

Speaker 2: 28:48

It's not not, it's true and again, it's nothing. It's not the bad about women. Like women are amazing. Like without women, we can't procreate, you know, without women, without women, you know. You know men cannot do everything. We have to go out into this world and deal with other men. You know we had like and only a woman. Like a woman can manipulate a man, but a woman will never know what a man's really thinking and and when women don't even know half the time when they're dealing with an actual intelligent man, how easily a man can manipulate a woman's emotions. Yeah, you know there's debate on even the whole voting thing, because when you, when you're voting on legislation and things are actually really important for the country, and like 10 years, 20 years down the line, it is so easy to manipulate the women vote with issues like abortion.

Speaker 2: 29:45

Abortion, in my opinion, should be banned. It's a horrible thing. Like who the fuck is like. Oh, I want my right to my abortion. I can't wait. It was like if you had the right fucking family and a good fucking father and you had half a fucking sense in your head, you wouldn't let a man fuck you without a condom. What's wrong with condoms. When the condoms become irrelevant, I need birth control. Bitch, that's gonna, that's gonna, warp your head, man. No, no, you're gonna let a guy fuck you. He has to have a condom, otherwise it's called rape. And that is the only time that I consider an abortion would be okay is if somebody raped you or if if the baby, literally the delivery it was going to kill you what about incest?

Speaker 1: 30:25

what about incest?

Speaker 2: 30:27

that's still. I consider rape, yeah, because a baby would more likely be born with a birth defect. That's science. That that is real science. We know that. We know that inbreding leads to birth defects. So why would you want a soul to be born on earth who's probably going to live their life, not even be able to enjoy a normal human life? Right Medical emergencies, but abortion should not be as available as buying a pack of cigarettes.

Speaker 1: 30:55

This is very interesting and this is why I love having you on the podcast, because, no matter what, no matter what, no matter if I agree with you, if I don't agree with you this is the beauty of it. We can just discuss or I can hear opinions from different people like you, like other people who don't think like you, and that's the beauty of it. This is what you advocate for.

Speaker 2: 31:13

And another thing too. Let's really talk about it here. When was the last time a woman had a pregnancy without sex with a man? So how's that baby in there? 100% theirs to choose whether it lives or dies? Abortion affects men just as much. You're a man. You're about to have your first child, the girl about to have your first child. The girl wants to kill your first child. If society really thinks, if we want to be honest here, that that does not traumatize the man as well, we're literally lying to ourselves.

Speaker 1: 31:53

What do you think about men who even ask women to do it Because they don't want?

Speaker 2: 31:59

to be fathers and those and those are beta men those are men that are afraid, no, and look, I had some beta traits that I've been working on in myself so I can become a better man. My son needs the best father that I can possibly be, and I've really had to look at myself and look at introspection in my life and realize the and it's not about wanting to be alpha, but it's more or less we call beta traits that make a man not do what a man should do. We run away from things. That's not a good trait in a man.

Speaker 1: 32:33

So do you consider yourself a high-value man?

Speaker 2: 32:41

trait in a man. So do you consider yourself a high value man? I am working on myself to become such a man that will be good for my son, a man that is that contributes in a positive way to society. You know mass conformity. We were warned about this shit in the nineties. So to be a good man does not mean you need to be agreeable.

Speaker 2: 33:03

Being a good man is knowing what's right and just doing what's right. Whether you like it or not, whether it's hard or not, you know, like um, I accepted. I'm not religious. I accepted god into my life about eight months ago, but half of it was realizing God's been there the whole time. That's my gut instinct when you enter a situation. Most of the reason why we don't do things is because we're afraid of what someone might say. We're afraid of losing our jobs, we're afraid of getting disconnected from our groups, we're afraid of being ostracized. But there is that moment when you're about to do something that right here, you know the right answer. You know the right thing to do. If you're an alcoholic, you know not to pick up the drink what made you?

Speaker 1: 33:50

because this is what, because I want to go back a little bit, because we were talking about your career and I'm we're going to get to trump minute, but I just wanted to talk about, because you just mentioned, eight months ago, what changed, what was the shift that happened with you, you know.

Speaker 2: 34:05

I've always been interested in the subject of. I mean, how can you not be, as a human being, anybody that has a sense of wanting to control their own life and their own destiny? How can you not take a moment and be like, where did we all come from? Even if you just ponder the thought about it, right, and then you allow yourself to start attempting to get educated? I can't call myself a Christian or a Muslim or a Jew, or whatever it is, because there's no text that hasn't been censored and altered by rulers, by men, and I have a hard time trusting men with power. So to me, though, this is all way too fucking complex to happen by accident, right? So when I say God, you know some people get triggered by that word, but when I just say God, that's a very simplistic term for knowing that this, there's something more and there's an energy. I fully believe in energy and frequencies and stuff like that I do, you know, like I got in the manifestation when I was really young.

Speaker 2: 35:21

I believe, um, and always expecting the best is yet to come. That's why I have no problem ever losing everything I have at any given moment, because if it needs to be taken for me, from me, it's for a reason. But I shall prosper again. Yeah, better and more there's always a light but if I cry about what I've lost, then I don't deserve what's coming next. That's always been my mindset, that's fair enough.

Speaker 2: 35:47

Unfortunate, not everybody has that mindset, you know, you know. Somebody loses one paycheck and literally they cry about it for a month instead of just moving on.

Speaker 1: 35:55

And doing and due diligence.

Speaker 2: 35:57

I've always had like a thing called self-faith, I believe. I believe that if I put in the work, I believe that if I have pure intentions, I believe that if I am doing what I need to do, something will come out of it for me, you know put the work on it yeah, and that's and that's another thing of good versus evil.

Speaker 2: 36:17

Evil attracts more evil. You know. Evil comes in the face of fast money, people kissing your ass yes, man and and quick pleasures. The best things in life, god there's. They take so much work, so much discipline, so much, so much faith in keeping much discipline, so much, so much faith in keeping your head down when everything around you is trying to pull you this way and pull you that way. But the best things in life are the things that you work for, that you sacrifice for.

Speaker 2: 36:48

You know that you believe in and and just, you know, and, and I came to the point where I was looking around me and I just and I also too, just seen all all the fucking satanic symbolism around. I'm like, I'm like this shit's getting on like steroids now. It's everywhere. Yeah, you know you, you know so. So for that to be there. I always believe in balance there. It would not be so if the other side wasn't being suppressed. So at this point I'm like you know what, whatever it is, I don't want evil in my life, because I'm going to die and I have kids and I need to make the biggest impact I can in this life as a man, as a citizen, it's my civic duty to try to leave this better than what I came into, even if just so my kids don't have to suffer and we're all like a work in progress.

Speaker 1: 37:47

But what? Where are you now? Do you think that? Are you like, happy, comfortable with with your life at the moment? And also, I was going to ask you when did you leave the industry?

Speaker 2: 37:58

I'm still technically like, that's what I and also I was going to ask you when did you leave the industry?

Speaker 1: 38:01

I'm still technically like that's what I thought but I thought I'd ask you.

Speaker 2: 38:03

So okay. So what happened in 2017 is I got blacklisted for a tweet I made.

Speaker 1: 38:08

I think I know where you're going with this.

Speaker 2: 38:10

Yeah, so that's what happened with the studio work. You know all the studios considered me untouchable because of the the draw, whatever, like. They're fucking idiots. I'm like I like anybody films with me. I'm still their number one top selling film because my fan, like I, got real fans. I'm not just another another face in the industry. I actually took the time I mean it went.

Speaker 1: 38:32

It went viral over a salad that too.

Speaker 2: 38:35

That was another thing. But I've also been very outspoken. I've never been afraid to speak, my I've never been afraid to connect with real people. I've never been afraid just to be real right, and a lot of people connected with that, whether they hated me. You either love me or you fucking hate me, but that's the sign of a true celebrity, right? You're like. You can't deny me. I've transcended the porn industry.

Speaker 2: 39:04

You know, yeah, and that's not an easy thing to do, but I realized, going into it, I would have to do that, if not just for my own son's sake. So when it comes a time he gets in high school and people are like, oh, your dad's blah, blah, blah. If I just left it at me just being a porn star, that's going to be tough on him. But if I can make more of myself, do more for the community around him, you know like, yeah, your dad may be a porn star, but you know what dude, he was a fucking awesome dude. Like he helped out, he looked out for people, he made sure people that you're like, you know that, and that it all, like it all comes back. People understand that like being reckless with your life comes back to you so, like a boomerang, you believe in karma if you want.

Speaker 2: 39:50

And again it's like. It's like saying god to me karma is like a simplified word energy you put out is the energy you give back. You ask, even if, unconsciously, your actions tell the universe what to give back to you.

Speaker 1: 40:03

It's the law of attraction, isn't it? Yeah, absolutely, I agree with that. I'm a big believer in that.

Speaker 2: 40:09

That's why I have some friends still in the industry. But it was five years before I even went to my first event. But I it was five years before I even went to my first event just because I didn't like, I didn't you know, I didn't like really the atmosphere of a whole bunch of people just doing drugs and fucking and not being you know, just even though god or godless to me, there was just um again. I always just had this gut feeling of where I should or should not be at any given time. Where I did, it did not belong when you're sorry.

Speaker 1: 40:36

When you say event, what do you mean? Or your first event that you went to?

Speaker 2: 40:40

avn okay, it took you five years I I just went to work and went home okay, that's five years yeah, no social media either. My first five years in the industry I had no social media. And then I decided I was like you know, I wonder if I could take this industry over, and and it took me only two years To really just make a concerted effort to rise to the top. Literally only took me two years.

Speaker 1: 41:05

And I was right there before my tweet. Oh, I see. Do you want to talk about that, or should we just move on?

Speaker 2: 41:11

I think that's been talked about enough. It's not that I don't care about talking about it, but I was used in such a scapegoat way that I feel bringing me even into the discussion really dishonors what actually happened and what should be focused on for that day. But anybody that knows knows that I went through one of the harshest cancellations in the history of the industry. I remember, and I stood my ground. I stood tall, I didn't let it define me and I, you know. And one day I had to replace over $100,000 career and I had a wife, she had two daughters, I had my son, his sister had everybody riding on my back. I didn't have time to cry. Oh, I cried, but I didn't have time to sit still and let it define me.

Speaker 1: 42:03

To sulk yeah.

Speaker 2: 42:05

I had to be myself and you know, look, I'm just one of those people. If I do something wrong, I'm going to own up to it. I've never. I tell you what. I was a kid one time. My brother. It wasn't my real father, it was my stepfather, but my brother has asperger's and we were kids. One time I grew up like because his dad hated me because I wasn't his. He beat the shit out of me almost every day. One day I convinced him that my brother did something that I did and I witnessed my brother take the beating. Never in my life again. But I cannot stand somebody else taking the flag for something that I know I've done. So, you know. But because I know I didn't do anything, yeah, um, and then they started doxing my family and posting pictures where my kids were and everything. I put my foot right in the fucking ground because nobody else was going to speak up for me and I just told everyone to go fuck themselves.

Speaker 1: 43:01

I didn't know that happened to you.

Speaker 2: 43:02

Not a lot of people did. They didn't advertise what was, you know on the wrong side and and when, and a few years later, when I started going back to the events and talking with all the industry owners, like I had to meet that person's agent and when I walked by them they made a comment. I literally and this is the kind of guy I am everybody thinks I'm this like abrasive asshole and I'm gonna beat your ass. Like I am probably one of the most rational people you'll ever talk to. And it's great if you have a problem with me because more than likely, after we talk, we will come to a mutual understanding and because of the the rapport that we'll build, we'll have a mutual respect for each other. That is more than most other people.

Speaker 2: 43:41

But I literally just went back up to him and I just told him like what had actually happened, what happened to me and how I handled and why everything went the way it went. He's like I didn't know all that. I was like, yeah, it's like they didn't report it, did it. He's like, well, and we shook hands. Someone that literally thought they hated me. I walked away shaking hands with People also love the clickbait.

Speaker 1: 44:00

People also love to publish.

Speaker 2: 44:03

It was the LGBT side versus the straight side. The straight side had been getting pushed back with the gay stuff and the bi stuff and the trans stuff. They were just waiting, again, a pendulum right. They were just waiting for an opportunity to have an excuse to say fag and die this and die that. And when I saw it happening, I was like. I was like. I was like this is not, it's not good for anybody. It's not what I'm about, you know. I'm like, look, if you want to say that about politicians, I might be on board, but when it comes to just us, the common people, you know we're pushed to pull attack the top yeah yeah, like you like, like, like you know there's so much shit in this country.

Speaker 2: 44:40

I'm just like, why don't you guys actually just focus your energy towards those who actually have any power to do anything?

Speaker 1: 44:47

but I'm glad you're in a better place and it's you know. Honestly it makes me happy just to know that, because I remember when that happened. We're not gonna like pry on that and we're gonna move, but yeah, good to hear that you're okay. So let's talk about because you said, or I've read, that you voted Democrats for over 15 years and then you changed.

Speaker 2: 45:08

I never voted, actually, to tell you the truth.

Speaker 1: 45:14

I love your hat, by the way.

Speaker 2: 45:15

Thank you, thank you it says, says Biden. I never actually registered as a Democrat until until the Biden Trump election. Now I I don't. I don't believe in the two party system. Again, I'm a constitutionalist, but the Democratic machine was the one pushing for the civil rights stuff. And, um, when we're young and dumb, you know, a lot of us are liberals. Because, you know, because when we're teenagers you had that rebellious spirit right me, me, me, me, me, me, me you dyed your hair blue.

Speaker 2: 45:55

Yeah, oh the democrats pray on that. They do, they do and they got the money, they got the. They got they, the republicans, they. They shoot themselves in the foot because the whole point of conservatives is less government, less government involvement. So they're not out there trying to shove everything down your throat. So they don't understand that the young and vulnerable, whoever gets in their face more with their message, is going to win Right. So that's how Republicans lost number for forever. Because they're waiting for everybody to get in the 30s to realize oh, once I'm making money. Fuck Democrats.

Speaker 2: 46:30

Or just like okay, rights are rights, but at some point when you force other people to do anything, that's very unconstitutional. And no matter if you don't, if you have feelings towards it, at the end of the day, if you look at the long-term stuff, you really want to be left alone. Like the Constitution, the way it's written this no other country in history has had a Constitution last as long as ours. Like the average life of the constitution is like less than 17 years for a country. Ours has lasted like a couple hundred years. So it's like it's good. Like it's good. Like you know, we'll make the amendments, but there's like they set it up with such a process and so many checks and balances, because they it came from knowing about how the world gets and how power corrupts, and it did everything it could. And these were men in their 20s that wrote this shit, but real men you know, that had to be real men.

Speaker 2: 47:26

They there's like literally, you weren't a real man, you could possibly die, like like real life stuff. You know, I mean, there's no time to be depressed. That's another thing too right, people have too much time on their hands. Yeah, too many, too many things going on with no substance, you know so, but um so in 2016, did you vote for trump or did you vote for hillary?

Speaker 2: 47:51

2006, no 2016. It was trump or hillary, right? Yeah, I didn't vote for anybody. Okay, I was like because in my mind, look, I was a bernie supporter at that point yeah, and I saw them cheat him out of like the primary I didn't like him oh my god, like, literally, like um, we should sue the united states government for stealing everybody's money.

Speaker 2: 48:11

Is that not fraud? If, okay, if everybody is donating to bernie sanders because we believe that he's in a system that if we support him he'll get elected our nominee, just to find out that that system really actually is lying to you. You don't have the influence that you say you do with your money. To me that's massive fraud. And it took. He, like bernie, got a lot of fucking money from us just just to watch the emails come out that the dnc was conspiring against him. And this is what this is what this is. What, like, made me go. Are you fucking retarded like the, the head of the dnc? That debbie girl got fired for it all. A week later, hillary hired her to her campaign trail what was the name?

Speaker 1: 48:57

debbie? What?

Speaker 2: 48:58

uh, it's, uh, it's a really weird last name that'd be something okay, it's like an sh yeah, yeah I can't remember fucking name, but literally was that with the head running.

Speaker 2: 49:09

it got caught cheating, bernie was fired and literally we all had our eyes on her and and then Hillary hired her to her campaign trail and it's just like, okay, we caught you cheating, now you're going to hire the person that was in charge of the cheating. I don't know why you think anybody would fucking vote for you. You know, at that point I wasn't a Trump fan at all. I'm still not a Trump fan.

Speaker 1: 49:35

You know no, I wasn't a Trump fan at all.

Speaker 2: 49:37

I'm still not a Trump fan. You're not, you know. No, I don't think. Look, the fact that we have to vote between these two is ridiculous.

Speaker 1: 49:43

Which is a lesser of the evils.

Speaker 2: 49:44

yeah, it's not even that, like you know. Look, trump is an outsider. Trump has to worry about Trump. That's what Trump has. Trump is not the establishment Right. So who do I fear more? One fucking con man or big con machine? Oh, I fucking tell you what for the past 40 years look at where we're fucking at, and it has nothing to do with him he had four fucking years. You think we got here just because of four years. Nah, dude, same people been in congress for almost four decades. The fuck have they been doing but fucking us up and cheating us and selling us out?

Speaker 1: 50:27

And they're still promising you. They're still promising you change.

Speaker 2: 50:30

Yeah, it's like, yeah, you could have. Yeah, he made more fucking change in four years, whether you like the change or not. But the fact is this is why JFK was killed Because he wanted to change, he wanted to kick out certain things. Nixon was taken out too because he wanted to take out certain factions and and certain lobbyists in our government. Foreign influence. We won't get into that.

Speaker 1: 50:55

But but the kennedy one, do you think? The cia killed him you remind me of jesse vent. He thinks so Because I think Kennedy wanted to pull out of Cuba, something to do with that, and the government, because there's always profiteers.

Speaker 2: 51:10

He made a speech about the secret organizations leading the country. He was against the Federal Reserve, he was against Israel People, and that's another thing too, too, that this people in this country have to start to realize who should have more influence over our own country, us or any other foreign nation. I'll tell you the one that's had the most, though that shouldn't. There's a very small little country trying to expand their territory over the Middle East.

Speaker 1: 51:45

Right, let's get to that. Tell me about your views, even though I kind of have an idea. And, by the way, sorry, I think no matter who's going to be Trump or Biden. I don't think no matter who wins, there's not really a winner in this. When it comes to Palestine, israel, oh yeah, for that issue, yeah, and that's.

Speaker 2: 52:03

You know, that's there's not really a winner in this. When it comes to Palestine Israel, oh yeah, for that issue. Yeah, and that's. You know that's.

Speaker 1: 52:11

I don't even know if Trump's going to be better than Biden at this.

Speaker 2: 52:14

So you know If he gets elected. My thing and you're right. As far as you know, there's a lot of different issues too. As far as America's, first, we need Trump Right, because the Trump brand relies and depends upon the image of America. So that's why I say the enemy of my enemy is my friend. The entire government is trying to take down Trump. Well, you know, I don't fucking trust more than Trump, the fucking government.

Speaker 1: 52:41

I don't think this meeting with Putin and the Chinese president no, sorry, the North Korean president or leader I don't think this would happen if Trump was in power. I really don't.

Speaker 2: 52:52

Fuck, no, hell, no.

Speaker 1: 52:54

And he's met both of them.

Speaker 2: 52:57

Look, the commander-in-chief of the United States of America must be strong every single day of the year. Yeah, you don't want our enemies laughing at us. Granted, we created half of our fucking enemies. The United States created Al-Qaeda, we created the Taliban, we created ISIS, just like Israel created Hamas. We let 9-11 happen so we had an excuse to go into the Middle East and destabilize it and put in the central banks. It's been planned for 30 years, prior to 9-11 happening. But there's a plan between the United States and Israel to build a new canal through Gaza that would give Israel and the United States more control of the region instead of taking the traditional route through there. So Gaza is going to be taken out because of Hamas. This has been preplanned for forever. They just wanted an excuse so Israel didn't lose so much fucking support for slaughtering people.

Speaker 1: 53:51

But how do you think it's going to end, though? Because, no matter what, that's what I mean with Trump or Biden.

Speaker 2: 53:55

We are so powerless, you know, and it's. I don't care who you are, I'm not mad at the people of Israel, it's government.

Speaker 1: 54:06

It's not the people, it's not with the people.

Speaker 2: 54:08

We have no power. We're not dropping it Like dude. I've never been asked in my life, nope, the United States citizen has actually been given the vote whether or not we're going to war. It actually used to be that way before the Federal Reserve. We had tariffs. It actually used to be that way before the federal reserve. We had terrorists and everything. People would actually get a chance to vote whether they're going to war. But that's like you're talking about 200 years ago world war one, two, vietnam, uh, and all these fucking wars that's happened since. We've literally had zero, say, and the government literally does false flag events and fear-mongering to try to get you to go along with it. So you don't become so fed up that you start a French revolution. Because look like I don't, I just I'm never going to be okay with killing innocent people men, women or children. It's not just, it's not obviously like the babies.

Speaker 1: 55:01

And why does history always begin with Octoberober the 7th?

Speaker 2: 55:04

I never understood that history began way before that I haven't gone down that rabbit hole, but um and again, I don't even like I I separate real jews from zionist I think we all at this point do.

Speaker 1: 55:20

I mean I respect everyone is trying to.

Speaker 2: 55:22

The media is trying everything in its fucking power because these fake jews are the ones that own most of the fucking media. Like kanye was right, but like hitler he didn't. He didn't think about like what how he should form the message and go about doing shit in order to get the rest of the world to kind of understand what might need to be done to save the rest of the world. You know, it's like the lgbt community right now. There's a bunch of us leaving it because we don't want to be misrepresented with right. That's the same with before world war ii. Most jews left europe before germany even got bad. They don't report that. They also don't report that it was only about less than 400 000 jews that had actually died in the concentration camps, nowhere near six million. That's another false number that's been propagated to try to give justification to implant israel and kill everybody in a brutality let me just ask you this.

Speaker 1: 56:17

Let me just ask you this, because I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm not saying you're right. I'm just saying how do you that? How does anyone know what the truth is? Who are you going to believe? Why should I believe you?

Speaker 2: 56:27

It's a long way down the rabbit hole, right, but again you have to start looking at. You have to look at the histories of families, and then we all know that anything that's reported in the mainstream media is 100 propaganda. Always has been, always will be. Each country has it, now the first. The first thing that tipped me off, even started thinking about this stuff, was when october 7th happened. The report came out that what really happened? I mean here's, here's the first thing that gave it away to me. Israel has the most advanced security system in the fucking world and if and if I have a fuck, if I'm neighboring to my biggest fucking enemies, like you, have to understand the people. Palestine have been in an open air prison camp for decades, so that means israel has spies there. Israel has listening devices, cameras. They own that fucking shit. There's nothing you can do in palestine that israel doesn't know about 24 7.

Speaker 1: 57:37

So if they were building tunnels, bitch, they knew about it and also, how was it so easy to infiltrate in Israel to that festival? How was it so easy to get there.

Speaker 2: 57:47

They allowed it to happen Because October 7th was their 9-11. Because, again remember, the United States and Israel has a deal to build a new canal through Gaza. They need everybody out. So we already know that Palestinians aren't going to do it willingly. And why should they?

Speaker 2: 58:05

you really don't their families have been there for centuries. Yeah, hundreds of hundred years. Palestinians have been there, whether the jews were there thousands of years ago. So you're telling me that? Uh, every single native in this country. Right now she starts scalping us because we came in here and took their land with manifest destiny. It's like, yeah, use your fucking head right.

Speaker 1: 58:41

If the Jews wanted to integrate into the area that they thought was Israel. They could have done it peacefully, because Jews, muslims and Christians existed in that area peacefully for hundreds of years. Do you know what's the biggest? The biggest cop out that I hear from your side is oh, it's great for you to to have your freedom of speech and be vocal about that. You wouldn't be vocal about that next to him, as being gay, being a woman, etc. I think that's an easy. That's an easy, a cheap shot, to be honest, because you don't have to be what's that it's like no shit, right?

Speaker 2: 59:04

it's the same reason why I'm like you can go to the worst neighborhood in fucking new york and wear a fucking flashy watch and have a hold a case briefcase that says I have a million dollars in it, it's like, but that doesn't. That doesn't excuse the fact that they are people that are entitled in their own country, to their own laws, to live their own fucking lives the way I want to fucking live them, and you're aware of how they are. So don't fucking go there, right? I know that, even being myself, I haven't been to dubai because I'm not exactly sure, like you know, because I it just you know. Again, there's places in the united states, depending on who you are, you just know it's maybe just not the best idea for you to go.

Speaker 1: 59:43

Absolutely.

Speaker 2: 59:45

You know, but it doesn't excuse. It never excuses mass murdering, it never excuses. I mean, good dude, they have the-.

Speaker 1: 59:55

Genocide.

Speaker 2: 59:57

It's just yeah, it's and it's not. Yeah. It's not going to end well for them because it's already been predetermined. The only thing I can hope is they realize that and they get out.

Speaker 1: 1:00:08

Who's they?

Speaker 2: 1:00:09

The Palestinians.

Speaker 1: 1:00:11

How are they going to do that? I don't know. That's what I mean.

Speaker 2: 1:00:14

They're not and we are powerless. Like I said, we're powerless, but I'm not going to sit here and condemn them. And if anything, you got to sit here and think okay, because somebody back before world war one made a doctrine to give up palestine that you had no fucking clue about. One day you're told to to take everything you know for 100 years and get the fuck out, or you're dead. You're gonna fight. And now you're. Well, it's only human nature for people that are imprisoned under false pretenses to eventually rebel. You know, like we all watch Star Wars, we sided with the rebels, right? You know we watch other movies where the smaller faction has been overtaken by this uh, evil power, and we all side with the people that are being oppressed. Now you're literally being tricked to in real life on the oppressors.

Speaker 2: 1:01:12

And this isn't about this, isn't about being anti-jewish, it's not, and that's what they do to you. That's how they kill the argument. Oh you're, you're just anti-Semitic. I'm like I'm pretty sure I'm anti-bombing babies. I'm like I think there's a little bit of a fucking difference. And it's not even that. It's like, again, the people that are doing this. They hide behind Judaism. They're not real Jews. You can't be a real Jew and then be that.

Speaker 1: 1:01:38

Judaism has nothing to do with what we can see now. Thanks to social media and places like tiktok instagram, we can see the videos of people being killed. Yeah, nothing to do with the fact that the jews or muslims or whatever and you know another thing.

Speaker 2: 1:01:53

It's like and you got it again. The jewish community needs to rise up and take accountability for their own bad apples. Right, because you gotta, because this and this is why, again, I went down the rabbit hole. I'm thinking like you guys have been kicked out of 94 of 112 countries. Who else has been treated like? Look, look, look, look one or two you can say okay, that country was just, uh, xenophobic, right? 90, like 90 of the countries you motherfuckers get into. They kick you out why? And look, it's not because of the majority. It only takes a few that know what they're doing to keep on their bullshit that misrepresent the rest of us. And ignorance you know, ignorance isn't always bliss. You know, when we again in this community, this LGBT community, if I don't take the time to stand up and be like, no, get the shit out of schools. Gender affirming care should never happen. There are only two fucking genders and we need extreme help with mental health issues. If I don't stand up and speak for that, everybody's going to think I stand for that shit.

Speaker 1: 1:02:58

Do you know what? Maybe I'm wrong, but my view is I don't think I belong. I've never felt I belong anywhere, but I don't think I belong in the LGBT community. To me it's a so-called LGBT because I think, like I'm not. On my Twitter I say I'm not in a monolithic group, I'm just not. I'm just myself. I've got my views. I read the news, I watch the news, I do whatever.

Speaker 2: 1:03:30

And then I'll form my own opinion. I don't have to follow a crowd, so just because it's cold, just because it's a trendy thing to do, you know that. And we have a whole bunch of kids that have mental health issues and they're pushing them into the community. You know, and here's the thing, you know, what's funny is that the we should take the month of june to celebrate straight people, because, look, you were born, 90% of us were born as straight people. Right, but here's the thing Gay rights, trans rights who do you think is responsible for that?

Speaker 1: 1:03:54

Do you know what's scary though it's like, when we express these opinions, we get stripped of our livelihoods, we get cancelled Because you can't do it.

Speaker 2: 1:04:06

And again, I've never given a fuck. You know, it's like you know you literally would not have gay rights and trans rights without straight people, because you don't have the numbers, don't have anywhere the fucking numbers that make a difference, so you are reliant upon straight people to give a fuck about you. So it's like how about you shut the fuck up now and stop pushing them, don't, don't you not? I tell you what? As adults, we can all sit here and say other adults have the right to live their lives in peace. Um, you're never gonna convince, except except the fucking, evil, fucking women that want to say oh, I got trans kids. Look at me, look at me. It's an ego trip for them. It's not about the kid, it's an ego trip for them because hollywood hollywood celebrities are doing that oh my god.

Speaker 2: 1:04:47

But you know, you ever seen, you ever watched jordan peterson yeah, I like him having one trans kid like having a kid that is actually trans, not someone who you know like it's. It's very rare for kids, because kids aren't supposed to be focusing on their gender or sexuality, but having a kid that's trans is like less than one and like millions. Having two kids that are trans is statistically impossible it is not possible.

Speaker 1: 1:05:16

It's the mothers. It is not possible, because that's what doctors tend to do. Now they, they think that they're in the wrong body.

Speaker 2: 1:05:24

Boom, here's a puberty blocker the, the medical industry is one of those, like the military industrial complex, that literally they're trying to create lifelong patients. The moment you, the moment you fuck your hormones, that's it. You have to forever be monitoring them and and running your body like the chemist well, we're going into dangerous territories, but it's like with covid, you know.

Speaker 1: 1:05:47

You ask me what was the biggest profit here? Due to covid?

Speaker 2: 1:05:54

pharmaceuticals yeah. And governments, governments got to take more rights, oh yeah, they're like that yeah, absolutely so.

Speaker 2: 1:06:02

You know the again. You know we kind of touched this. But the reason why I went from Biden, the reason I even voted for Biden in the first place, was because the media did such a good job bullshitting me, fear mongering me, you know, and again, I knew, going into it that the media lies, into it that the media lies, but, and again, just because of my, my alignment with the community and things like that, I just I was blind, um, and then, after four years of biden, you're like, they're just like, oh, things have never been better.

Speaker 1: 1:06:40

I'm like, really, do you think he's going to run? Do you think? Do you think he's going to be replaced last minute?

Speaker 2: 1:06:47

I mean, they're already going to lose as it is. If they attempt to replace them, it's going to make it worse.

Speaker 1: 1:06:52

But how is he going to speak? I mean, have you seen his video? Here's the thing.

Speaker 2: 1:06:55

The Democrats have fucked up so bad they're going to have to. Which are voting rights to them? In New York, they said that it's legal for them to carry firearms. So there's more illegal men in this country now than we have people enlisted in the military. We only have about 15 million people in the military enlisted active duty. So if you want to ask my opinion, they are planning something big because they've already. They've already lost. We've all woken up and this is why they did covid too.

Speaker 2: 1:07:37

There was protests around the world right before covid. The biggest, the biggest factor was the was the Hong Kong protests were spilling into mainland China and they couldn't afford another Tiananmen Square, not with all those phones. You know it's one thing in the 1980s when they lied to the world and said they only killed 3,000 students, and then it came out right before COVID that it was over 30,000 students, and then it came out right before COVID that it was over 30,000 students. Can you imagine if they had to kill half a million students this time just to maintain control of their communist government? With everybody's cell phones, you don't think the entire world would have like sanctioned China.

Speaker 2: 1:08:18

So what did they do? It's an invisible enemy. You know, literally, the protests were in Spain, they were in France, they were in London, they were in all South America. It was coming invisible enemy. Literally, the protests were in Spain, they were in France, they were in London, they were in all South America. It was coming out here. We were starting to hear in the United States that the cartels in Mexico were the good guys. Though, yeah, they had to get their money with drugs, but they were taking that money and they were actually taking care of the communities.

Speaker 1: 1:08:42

Have you read a letter that Bin Laden wrote to the government? Have you ever read that?

Speaker 2: 1:08:48

I have not read it yet that was another thing too. You know, like I'm not a bin Laden supporter, I'm not a terrorist supporter or anything like that, I'm a constitutionalist and I know that the forefathers warned us about a two-party system and I can see from the same people being in government for decades that they don't have our interest at heart. You know, even even like the way they did, civil rights movement weakened the black community, whether you want to admit it or not, black people actually had had much better chance of gaining wealth and land and everything like that, and forced the the segregation and civil rights movement happened. You know, could we have made some more common sense amendments?

Speaker 2: 1:09:24

Yeah, but the way they did it and then the way they started getting black people to rely on the government more and more and more, and then how they started, you know, breaking apart the black family and attacking the black family and making it cool to be single and making women want to get abortions, and then how they. The reason why they went after and started incarcerating black men so much wasn't really because of racism. It was just because they knew if they took the father from the home, then the kids are more likely to be the system or the mother's going to rely on the government for help and even women's voting rights, like I said. You know like do women really have it so much better now? You think they enjoy working 80 hours a week and can barely afford to survive?

Speaker 2: 1:10:10

I'm pretty sure they liked it better when their husband worked 40 hours a week and on that job could feed her, could feed the kids. They had a house, they had a car, they go on vacation twice a fucking year and you actually, you actually had confidence that retirement was going to happen. So again, you know, look at the big picture. Everyone wants to think small, small, small, small, right, oh, I'm independent, I'm independent, I'm independent the boss babes no man worth anything.

Speaker 2: 1:10:38

Wants you man like look, real men aren't gonna put up with the fucking mouth and the body counts a lot it is.

Speaker 2: 1:10:47

And again, with that too, women are just as capable at any point they want in their lives to work on themselves too. So, just like men, men can be lost, and that's not good. When men are lost, women are more inclined to be the emotional mess that they are, but any woman can, once they see that it has just as much capability of reigning that in and understanding. Okay, do I actually want a man in my life? That's what I want, okay? Well, guess what? It's not in a woman's best interest to try to rule over a man. That is not the natural law of order. Never has been, never fucking will be. You know. And and again here's you know.

Speaker 2: 1:11:31

Let's say we had a society that was led completely by women and they weakened all the fucking men. And then just another side comes along with just fucking brouhaha, men kill all the fucking men. Who's left to protect the women? One capable man gets to take out a full room of even capable women. We've seen it with fucking the Olympic soccer team losing to high school bullies. I've seen one man take on a full team of semi-professional soccer women. One fucking man. Mahosho In Romania right now they got like two-on-one men versus women kickboxing Fuck it, it's embarrassing.

Speaker 1: 1:12:14

I don't know what's going on anymore. The world's going a bit nuts.

Speaker 2: 1:12:18

It's pushing everybody. Look the powers that be need men to be weak so they can stay in power, because strong men don't allow weak men to continue to do evil things. What it boils down to right now is we have a bunch of evil motherfuckers, and here's the thing it all goes back to fear. They are afraid. They are very, very afraid. I mean, I'd be afraid too if I'd been committing all these atrocities for generations and generations. I don't want me and my family to ever, ever, have to face accountability for that, because you know, I think. Okay, just to jump off subject real quick here. The thing that is needed in this world right now and it might seem like a radical idea, but forgiveness is needed. We all need to forgive each other and we all might need to actually swallow a pill and find a way to forgive these motherfuckers and give them a chance to defect onto our side. And how?

Speaker 1: 1:13:21

do you forgive them, though? How do you forgive them?

Speaker 2: 1:13:28

You give them immunity to their crimes, as you know again, either. Okay, so let's take putin, for example. Has, uh, the capability of nuclear arms. Right, if we back him into a corner, do you think he won't use his nuclear arsenal before he dies? He's going to attack you. Putin's the smartest world leader in the world. Putin is the smartest besides a communist party, but somebody who actually runs this country. He is the smartest world leader in modern history.

Speaker 1: 1:14:01

He knows what he's doing.

Speaker 2: 1:14:03

He's military, trained, trained. He's a military mastermind kgb yeah and he thinks ahead.

Speaker 2: 1:14:10

he can think 20 years ahead. He can think as he's talking to you. He can think 10 steps ahead. Right? So, just like that, we have a bunch of evil people who hold all the decisions that can be made at any given time and we back them into a corner. Everyone's like we want you dead. We want you dead, dude. Just like a cheater, just like a murderer. They will burn the house to the ground in attempts to try to not go to jail or not be punished. It's in human nature. So, unless we find a way or a vehicle to give these people a way to come back to their goodness, to be forgiven and that's another reason why I found God Even before I found God at 23, I had this radical thought. When I started smoking weed and I started thinking about Jesus and stuff like that and I got into everything sound and frequencies. One of the thoughts I had was like oh my God, this world will never, ever be whole unless we can learn how to forgive each other.

Speaker 1: 1:15:12

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:15:13

Like. At the end of the day, it may sound like the stupidest thing in the world, but you talk to anybody else who understands that train of thought. And if we do not find a way to forgive each other for being human and being pieces of shit, bro, it only gets worse.

Speaker 1: 1:15:27

That's the Buddhist side of you.

Speaker 2: 1:15:30

I'm not religious, I'm just thinking logically here.

Speaker 1: 1:15:34

I look at human behavior.

Speaker 2: 1:15:36

Human behavior has never changed. Humans are creatures of habit.

Speaker 2: 1:15:40

So true, are creatures of habit and, just literally, if these people believe that they're in such a small class and group and they're going to continue going into that group and only letting in people that won't fuck them. That's why, that's why all the elites have so much blackmail on each other, because when you try to go, come back to us to help us, to be like, oh, you want to defect. Well, look, here's what we have on you killing, killing this or fucking this child Again legitimately. We're gonna have to sit back and think do we want this world to be burned in a nuclear war or do we want to accept the fact that we're gonna have to sit back and forgive some truly evil motherfuckers?

Speaker 1: 1:16:25

gonna have to sit back and forgive some truly evil motherfuckers? I don't know. I we're the world that we live in. I think everyone's scared, everyone's divided, everyone's not hopeful, everyone's sad about the future. It's on purpose, yeah, whether it is or not, I think we're all kind of demotivated with the world at the moment it's on purpose.

Speaker 2: 1:16:38

I, I, I say even even as I'm talking and my voice is rising and stuff like that. Um, that's passion. I've been doing work for the past eight months and I'm not sad right now, I'm not angry right now, I have peace of my mind. So at this point in my life, as we're talking about like going forward with projects and stuff, um.

Speaker 2: 1:17:07

I haven't been able to bring myself to produce any nude content in a few months. I can't even take a nude photo. My gut just won't let me do it. Um, I quit weed completely. I was never a drinker anyway, because I'm not even drinking socially and I'm even abstaining from sex. Okay, I don't have the. The sex is the hardest part. Just because of you know, I think so long of being in the sex world, and that was probably ingrained in me the most, and at one point I asked myself am I a sex addict? It was a question I had for myself, right that aloud, and I was like okay, it's very common but I was.

Speaker 2: 1:17:50

I'm not half as I'm not, you know, I wouldn't consider myself a sex addict. It's just that when you're like me you can almost fuck anybody you want. And I don't say that like I think I'm king shit. But compared to the normal male, I had my pick more than most and I'm just not the kind of guy that likes to approach anybody like that. Anyway, because I don't want anybody to feel objectified. You know I I've never asked anybody their sexuality in my life. Yeah, you know I can. I can sense if someone that I'm attracted to is attracted to me or not, and if they're not, then um, not my, not my business.

Speaker 1: 1:18:20

So would you say you were, or would you want to be, a born again Christian? Cause, that's what it sounds like.

Speaker 2: 1:18:28

No again, like I don't believe if Christ existed, christ wasn't real. I don't believe Christ believed in religion. I believe he, I believe God is such a thing and there are principles to live by that guide us. I don't call that religion the idea of Christ, or maybe there's something, there's knowledge that he came upon. That is a way for us to connect to God. I think there's something to baptisms. I think there's something to baptisms. I think there's something of cleansing your soul to it, or it allows your soul to be open to God.

Speaker 2: 1:19:14

That's the only thing I could think of as a child that was done to me Because of how horrible my childhood was. You couldn't convince me that God existed, but my grandparents had put me in at one point to a Catholic school and I was baptized, and so I don't know, like I said, this gut instinct of mine. It comes from somewhere and the only thing I could think of that was connected to me. And, like I said, I've been doing research. I've been trying to find original thought. I've been trying to find original knowledge. I've been trying to find original knowledge. It's probably all in the fucking Vatican. You know what I mean. I'll never get my hands on real accountings, unedited truths, uncensored truths.

Speaker 2: 1:20:00

So it's really hard for me, because man is so fallible when he is given power and and one of the original bibles didn't like warned us against power in high places. And what that means is, you know, beware of your rulers, beware of kings. They only serve themselves, and whatever they tell you is really only to get you to not attack them. You know, this is how my and I still think religion was created. So men feared their ruler. Because back in the day, when we lived in caves, if I didn't like the leader, I'd just wait till you fall asleep and smash your head with a rock. Now I'm the ruler. What's going to stop me? Fear of God, you know so. I believe God is all inside of us. Now I'm the ruler. What's going to stop me? Fear of God, you know so. I believe God is all inside of us and I believe he's always there when you go to ask for him. But you have to ask, you have to accept that, yes, there is something more to this and yes, these this guiding light that I know I have inside of me, whether I choose to act upon it or not.

Speaker 2: 1:21:04

And again, we create all these levels of fear that make us not act upon our best instinct. We ignore what we know is right, because we don't want to be on the outside, don't want our money to be gone. You know, it's all these things that our society has created to keep you in line and going with the agenda. So that's why. That's why I came back to this, is why you said I'm not a fan of trump, but I know he needs our country to do the best that it can because he's a narcissistic piece of shit. But that means that america has to do so good that it makes his legacy.

Speaker 2: 1:21:44

And again, what's much more dangerous to me is the thing that's the establishment that's taken hundreds of years to get us to this point than one man. So the enemy of my enemy is my friend. And if we can ever tackle this establishment and get actual, true people in positions where they should be, are qualified for that, actually serve the american people and don't use government as a means of their own vehicle for their own prosperity. And until we get to that point, I am for anybody that's not a politician. If I see the system going after someone, I'm like okay. Well, obviously there's something about them that the system doesn't like.

Speaker 1: 1:22:27

Like Andrew Tate, huh, like Andrew Tate.

Speaker 2: 1:22:31

Yeah, andrew, you know Andrew's, there's certain things I agree with him upon and, um, you know, to me I'm just the type of person if I had his influence and money, um, I would be a lot more directly involved with trying to help fight what's going on. I know, and I know he does a lot of donations and everything like and he probably doesn't tell you.

Speaker 1: 1:23:05

And he probably doesn't tell you if you donate.

Speaker 2: 1:23:09

Yeah, yeah, and that's good. I don't think he's a bad guy. I think he is a little full of himself in some terms, like when I said he was like if I was in your position, I wouldn't be worried about being called top G. I'd be worried about like finding out like what paul, like who's running for office that I can help get into the right position. I'd be using my platform to like speak out against that, raise that opinion, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, and one thing I said and this is why good men are so important, or your support cast is so important andrew tate would be nothing without tristan.

Speaker 2: 1:23:43

Oh, I didn't know that his brother. If he didn't have his brother, someone would have killed him a long time ago or beat him so fucking badly. You, you, it's so hard to find your tribe and that's what a lot of men are always searching for. But look, the lone wolf is always going to get killed. The alpha wolf leads a pack like I. I'm so envious of the brother that he has. If it's the last thing I have left in me, the demon that I need to fight out of me is having envy, but I just I see it for what it is you and even they talk about it when they went to jail together. When they're, they're out, out anywhere, anybody even gives him shit.

Speaker 2: 1:24:30

Tristan is the first one to stand up for his brother, and that's what men need to be. That's why, you know, I've been talking lately. Like you know, we need to get back to those 1960 days. Who, 60 gays, who you know men, where men just acted like men. Men are required to be men and you can be so fucking blessed that you are a man and that that comes with responsibility. Whether it feels heavy or not, dude you, you are a man, you have control. You have full control of your destiny as a man. If you make sure you're capable and you surround yourself a good man, any point in time a bad man comes into the group, those group of men will take care of that bad man.

Speaker 1: 1:25:11

Jackson or Christopher. Let's end this on an even nicer and higher note, which is, you know, at the end of each episode, I tend to talk about something completely different from this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So should we talk about food? What's your favourite dish? Do you have a favourite meal?

Speaker 2: 1:25:31

It used to be sushi.

Speaker 1: 1:25:33

Okay, alright, sushi. What about now?

Speaker 2: 1:25:37

Now the only thing I eat is steak fruit and honey.

Speaker 1: 1:25:42

Steak fruit and honey. Okay, that's it. That's a combination I never thought I'd heard.

Speaker 2: 1:25:47

Okay, yeah, just because, again, going back to how fucked up the world is and these companies and all the bullshit they're putting in food and everything, that's about the only thing I can trust in this country, because Manosato is literally trying to kill us. You know, I noticed when I was eating a lot of fruit or vegetables and grains and beans and stuff like that, I was starting to get eczema on my skin and flakes on my head and stuff. Cut that out of my diet, literally. All that shit went away. You should grow your own food. You're right on that, you're right, I don't disagree, I think't disagree. And that's another thing Americans need to get back to is being a community of farmers.

Speaker 2: 1:26:34

I was about ready to sue the state of Florida. We're a big watermelon state and the only thing I've seen in the normal grocery stores for the past like six plus months is seedless watermelon Seedless. So anything that's genetically modified is not meant for consumption. So, but fruit is superior hydration as well. So if you get your water from your fruit, it hydrates you faster, it keeps you hydrated longer. Water from your fruit it hydrates you faster, it keeps you hydrated longer and it's just a different. There's a go on to like how it absorbs the energy from the sun, and it's live energy, not dead energy, but, like watermelon, is one of the best hydrators on earth. If it's real watermelon and the seeds in it, you blend them up. You drink them too. For men, it's loaded with niacin and, uh, the seeds kind of act as like a natural viagra.

Speaker 1: 1:27:27

I shit you not you learn something every day. Do you dine out? Do you go out and dine out, or do you? Would you not eat why?

Speaker 2: 1:27:35

not to again because all the ingredients and bullshit they put in food. I thought you'd say that it's just not worth it to me. Now when I'm in other countries like Europe and stuff, I can eat bread in Europe and lose weight.

Speaker 1: 1:27:48

Fair enough.

Speaker 2: 1:27:49

Because half the shit here is banned in other countries. I can eat Burger King in London and I know that it legally has to be real meat. Isn't that a fucking thing to say?

Speaker 1: 1:28:03

We still call it processed meat.

Speaker 2: 1:28:05

It's still meat but it still legally has to be 100% meat. You know, I mean it can't be, yeah, and it has to be like from the animal. You know, in the United States there's like you're allowed to have some human meat in there yeah, do you drink? Like I said, I used to maybe socially drink, but like from where I am right now, I'm literally, I'm as square as it gets right now I think that you're sober, or just not drinking, or I don't drink.

Speaker 2: 1:28:35

Yeah, I'm about to just so like, so, like I used to so like. Um, you know, I like to go do karaoke, uh, and like that. So maybe if I go to karaoke I might have to drink, you have to drink but I don't. But there's never been a time in my life where I'm drinking every day but now like I just it's out period.

Speaker 1: 1:28:50

It's not even like not allowed let's just talk about one thing and then we wrap this up. So what about? You have the band right, or you're in a band, or used to be in a band I have.

Speaker 2: 1:28:58

I have a band that I'm um working out right now. When you form new members, everybody has to learn the material. We have to rehearse Nice, we have to. You know, we had five songs that we agreed on, so we had to come up with another two. So that's also a process to develop the songs, songwriting the songs.

Speaker 2: 1:29:25

And then, unfortunately, with this economy right now, you have what's, because if you remember, before the 2008 crash, how many people lost their jobs and right now I'm seeing so many people lose their jobs right now and the tens of thousands. So we've had to deal with the like what our first member that we lost. He just found out he was having a baby, so he wanted to turn his focus to making sure that he was going to be okay and that's it. Like I'm never going to get angry at that or even have what. You know what I mean. And then our most recent drummer just lost his job. So you know he has to find a new job right now. He can't focus on rehearsals.

Speaker 2: 1:30:11

So it's me and two guitarists and we're searching for a drummer right now on a basis, but the band is called Ashes A-S-H-I-S. It's a new metal project. We're out of central Florida. There's a lot of people that are excited for it once we get everything together and we get on stage. This is something I've been training for for about 15 years now. I know a lot of good people in the music industry. I've been to the festivals, a lot of people know of me and I've produced. I had like four songs produced last year in the country of Colombia metal songs but I need to rerecord them with all real instruments and stuff like that. So it's it's a learning process learning process.

Speaker 1: 1:31:00

yeah, and obviously I wish you all the best with your band and, honestly, good luck. It's a dark world out there and obviously I wish you all the best with your band. Honestly, good luck. It's a dark world out there, but I know you're going to thrive it and, honestly, thank you so much for doing this episode. It's been really interesting.

Speaker 2: 1:31:13

Thank you for having me on. It's always nice to chat with someone and discuss these things.

Speaker 2: 1:31:19

So you know I'm not here to tell you you're right or wrong. You know anybody can. I'm not here to tell you you're right or wrong. Anybody can always ask questions. I tend to only live my life in a way that I think is purposeful and from information and life experience. So I won't say you're right or wrong, but I would encourage you to be open to the things that I might say, just because I've never really have told people stuff that hasn't proven to be true and for them to come back 10 years later and be like I would have wished I would listen to you and I think to the, the key, and out of this it's dialogue, it's communicating.

Speaker 1: 1:32:01

I mean we can. We've been very I said this before we've been very divisive and we're not moving the needle forward unless we talk, unless we stop counseling one another and we just move forward. Otherwise I don't see any point in my opinion.

Speaker 2: 1:32:13

And again, we're really struggling with a lot of misinformation that are coming from the people that we should be able to trust. You know, the people that call themselves scientists, the people that call themselves medical facilities and psychologists, and then literally, um, unfortunately, right now it's all been corrupted and, uh, it makes it really hard for people who haven't woken up on their journey yet to understand that that's being done to them, to hear people like us and not dismiss it. And again, I grew up in the 90s. I knew big government was bad, I knew Big Brother was bad, we knew mass conformity was bad, and yet we felt like in the 90s there was never a better time where we all got along. I miss it Because we knew where the enemy was and we knew it wasn't each other, and we knew that anything that was trying to be done to each other was trying to be done from the top, pushing us toward each other. So we didn't look up top.

Speaker 1: 1:33:11

But hopefully it's never too late. I mean, you're hopeful. I think you're more hopeful than I am, but again, time will tell. Time will prove me wrong.

Speaker 2: 1:33:20

It's going to do what it's gonna do, but, like I said, the most important thing is that men wake up on that note on that note.

Speaker 1: 1:33:30

Honestly, this is I hope things change for the better, and I'm sure it will, but I don't see it anytime soon.

Speaker 2: 1:33:38

But I hope you're right as soon as men wake up. Doesn't matter if you're gay, bi, if you're thinking about being trans, if you are a man, just realize this world needs you to be a man right now. And it's not about it's not about how you act. It's about accepting the responsibility you have to those around you and just knowing that, as a man, you are the most capable thing on this earth right now to help people.

Speaker 1: 1:34:05

Right. Thank you everyone for listening to another episode. Christopher, it's been a pleasure.

Speaker 2: 1:34:10

Miguel, thank you so much. Take care, Talk to you soon. Bye.