African History: Mansa Musa

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Get ready to journey back in time to the 14th century, to the opulence and grandeur of the Mali Empire. Picture a ruler so wealthy that his generosity single-handedly altered global economies, and created an intellectual hub that attracted scholars and architects from across the Islamic world. Yes, we're talking about Mansa Musa, a figure so influential that he left an indelible imprint on European cartography and the world at large. 

You'll be awestruck by the wealth of Montemousa, whose fortune put even Julius Caesar's to shame. His story isn't just about riches, but also about his far-reaching impact on education and religion, symbolized by the enduring legacy of his mosques that stand tall even today. And if you think you've heard it all, wait till you learn about the intriguing link to the legend of King Midas and his golden touch.

As we weave these captivating tales of ancient African royalty and wealth, prepare to be mesmerized. The influence of these rulers went far beyond the borders of their empire, touching every facet of life - from trade to education, culture, religion, and more. So buckle up and join us on this thrilling journey through history, as we uncover the rich legacy of the Mali Empire and its ruler, Mansa Musa.

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:48

Ah, hoi, hoi man, that fool has flooded the, flooded the road. Dude Like came all up in my tent, bought all my fucking camels and then gave everybody like bars, bricks of gold, uh, like you know how those rappers talk about, like you know all that shit, they got whatever and they have like diamonds, jewelry, that's what they got with them. This guy has that shit, no bluff. But man, I don't know. I mean he just flooded the market. There's no way to make any money. We're kind of fucked dawg. What do you think?

Speaker 2: 1:25

Monsimoussa ruled the kingdom of Mali beginning in 1312, and remained in power until it's death, somewhere in between 1332 and 1337. During his reign, mali was one of the wealthiest kingdoms in Africa and Monsimoussa one of the wealthiest people on Earth Because of all this gold is what you speak of. Yeah, I mean just unreal amounts.

Speaker 1: 1:51

Yeah, pretty insane. One thing that I thought would be kind of interesting to do because I know that you know you got some Monsimouss effects. So I decided I would tell you, all of our listeners here, what I found about how the Empire of Mali began. Would you like to hear that? Absolutely All right, here we go.

Speaker 1: 2:14

So, like many empires before and since, the Mali Empire began a conquest the stories told by the poem the Epic of Sundiata. Sundiata was the son of the king of the Mandinka people. Prophecy said he would become a great emperor, but when his father died, the throne was taken by Sundiata's brother. He went into exile at the court of the king of Mima, who made him one of his key advisors. Meanwhile, the Sasso Empire conquered the Mandinka people. They asked Sundiata to help them.

Speaker 1: 2:45

Still only 18 years old, sundiata raised an army from Mima and around 1235, which is pretty crazy because it's almost like 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. It's 1235. Ha won a great victory in the battle of Kureyana. Sundiata was named Monsa Emperor, which is what that translates to. It's like some things said king or just whatever, but emperor seems fitting because they did conquer quite a few people in Africa, right? So anyway, emperor of a new Mali Empire nicknamed the Lion King, what, because of his success in battle, sundiata conquered many other lands, turning his kingdom into a mighty new empire. So that's the dude who started the Mali Empire, right there, dang. Okay, yeah, the Lion King apparently started that shit, and they must have missed it on Disney anyway with Simba, but I wonder how that. I wonder if that's where that comes from, sort of.

Speaker 2: 3:44

I wonder yeah, I did not read that.

Speaker 1: 3:50

Well, there you are, sir. That's, that's the Awesome. Yeah, all right, thanks, man.

Speaker 2: 3:54

Anyway, I did see that Monsa Musa came into power in the previous king of Mali. Abu Bakar II left on a voyage exploring the Atlantic Ocean and never returned Anchors away, and while Mali was already a wealthy kingdom, Monsa Musa oversaw large-scale mining of salt and gold deposits, and as well as just the riches, this ensured that cities such as Timbuktu and Gao were developed into significant centers for culture and education.

Speaker 2: 4:23

Yeah, he was big on education, yeah he hired architects from various parts of Africa and the Middle East to design the buildings of his cities.

Speaker 1: 4:32

So yeah, it's very, it's very. He had a very worldly view of things. I feel, and you know that does come from travel and conquest and then the Silk Road and all that was probably bringing all these cultures through. I mean, I'm sure they were learning quite a bit, you know, and if you take advantage of the opportunity to grow like that right, you're going to figure it out, I suppose.

Speaker 2: 4:59

Well, yeah, yeah, it's a bit along with well from the mines. He expanded Mali's trading practices, making it the richest kingdom all of Africa. Damn, that's cool. Sadly, elephant Ivory was also a large source of riches. I did read that.

Speaker 1: 5:16

Yeah, yeah, so that's a thing you know, uh, matsumusa, I did hear that, uh, or I did hear Hughes. I heard that, but no, I heard you talk about the king previous to him, or the empire or emperor or whatnot. Um, and I have a little bit of knowledge on that. Um, if you're interested, my friend, as always, right, if you're interested, I'll let you know what I found on that. Um, yeah, of course, yeah, so, anyway, the identity of Matsumusa's predecessor remains uncertain, although I did hear that name that you said, and, uh, with historical accounts offering varying names, such as Muhammad Ibn Q Q I'm not sure how to say this, I'm sorry or Mansa Q, the.

Speaker 1: 6:02

The predecessors alleged attempt to explore the land that evolved, sending 200 ships, but only one returned, hinting at the challenges of oceanic navigation faced by West Africans, despite the intriguing possibility of an African explorer reaching the Americas.

Speaker 1: 6:17

That's not theory or the like conspiracy kind of Historians generally dismiss idea due to technological limitations and the unfamiliarity of West Africans with oceanic navigation. You know cause it is? They're not really landmarked. I guess I could look at a map again, but, uh, while Matsumusa's uh predecessor may not have connected West Africa to the new world, matsumusa himself played a crucial role in globalizing Mali, which is kind of what this is about, you know, beyond the fact that he's rich as all hell, right, yeah, so that's. I thought that was kind of interesting that there are some people around there that kick around the idea that, uh, he made it to the Americas, I feel, and that's one of those really stretching, uh, conspiracy theories, although I did think it was pretty interesting. This guy had the nuts to try to go out there and go get himself that king before him, so that's a go Matsumusa predecessor, I suppose, right.

Speaker 2: 7:15

Yeah, thanks, so yeah. And then in 1324, uh, matsumusa went on a holy pilgrimage to Mecca and his travels through Egypt would have quite the lasting impact. Outside of West Africa, no one really knew much about Mali. Uh, Arab writers of the of the day claimed Matsumusa traveled with tens of thousands of people coming to you by dozens of camels. That each camel said to be carrying 136 kilograms worth 300, roughly 300 pounds of gold. Oh my God. Hey, think about it. An ounce of gold is over 2000. Right Check this out.

Speaker 1: 7:54

I uh, yeah, on each camel, and I was hoping you would do this. So I came prepared, my friend, I found the thing that adjusted inflation and all sorts of crap, and this is as of 2019. So the actual, uh, world value of gold and this is like world, you know, or what, not the known world, I suppose would have been at 3000, roughly $3,000 an ounce. So that's how much money this motherfucker had, and he was just thinking about how much money would be on a camel. How much did you save us on the camel? Again, 300 pounds, pounds, oh, what ounces Well.

Speaker 1: 8:33

So 16 times 300, times 3000. Right.

Speaker 2: 8:40

Many monies, yeah, many monies, many monies.

Speaker 1: 8:42

Lots of ounces. Yeah, that's, uh, that's some weight, right, yeah, anyway, god, this guy you know, uh. I want to continue on my friend I'm sorry I didn't mean to bust into your story on his uh caravan to Egypt, through Egypt and all this on his pilgrimage, because that is one of his most fascinating parts of his story. That's why it's kind of famous, I believe, as well. So I just thought it was so neat that somebody actually took the time to figure out the value of gold in the medieval world.

Speaker 2: 9:17

So yeah, no, that is crazy. Yeah, um, I did see that he met with the Sultan, sultan of Egypt, when he was visiting Egypt. He was visiting Cairo, who was expecting him to kind of just bow down and and whatever, and it seemed that Matamusa was open to coming to meet him and, uh, you know, be respectful but not just kiss his ass, essentially, and as he was traveling, he would just hand out astounding amounts of gold. Somebody was poor. He would give them a chunk of gold, to the point that it was so flooded that for a 12 year period, gold's value in Egypt was not worthless but decreased significantly.

Speaker 1: 10:07

Oh, it tanked their economy, dude. It sent them into a depression. Just his visit. I read about it. There was actually some stuff too. I mean, people love this guy because he was so generous, even to his people in Mali or whatnot, but the one thing that I saw was the poets or the songwriters were, one out of the time, kind of refused to talk about him in a good light for a while there, because everybody was pretty pissed off that he was distributing the country's wealth to foreigners Like they wanted it. The only reason they were actually even mad about it wasn't that he's being so flamboyant or something, it was just that it wasn't within their own country you know.

Speaker 1: 10:49

So like there was actually that was a talking point that I seen in something where I thought I'd bring it up, I guess, Like just because he gave out all this gold, he wasn't making everybody happy.

Speaker 2: 11:02

Right, and it's crazy to think that by 1375, you know, after his death but he got attention in Europe. Spanish cartographers created the Catalan Atlas in 1375 and it featured an illustration of Monsimusa in West Africa sitting in front of a throne of gold, holding a golden staff in one hand and a golden nugget in the other. Yeah, he began. A global symbol for just unimaginable wealth, right, and he had a gold crown as well in the image.

Speaker 1: 11:35

Yeah, I mean. Well, okay, here I got something on that. Actually, my friend Elyse Ben-Abraham Kreskis and his Catalan Atlas. Catalan Atlas hopefully we're saying this correct Diverged from medieval cartography traditions by incorporating portraits of rulers, A departure from earlier massive, predominantly focused on geographic features.

Speaker 1: 11:59

This unique approach is particularly evident as the mat moves south and east from the Mediterranean, covering African parts of the West and East Asia. Rather than accurate portrayals, these ruler images serve as a visual marker representing distinct political groups. So they have like role imagery of people, where they mark them with septers and crowns and stuff like that. But one of the striking ruler portraits in the Catalan Atlas is that of Monsimus, the renowned 14th century ruler of the Mali Empire. Monsimus' fame stems from his opulent pilgrimage to Mecca. You know so, but you're right, Like, this thing is a big deal and what they go on to talk about. I'm going to kind of like shorten it up, is that? Oh, and even kind of like I'm part of this map. It shows where he like met with the camel traders or some shit like that too. So that's pretty neat.

Speaker 1: 12:46

But before this, nobody recognized Africa, and when they recognized Africa, this was like the most elaborate portrait of a man with immense wealth. I mean he has gold. None of the other emperors painted, they're all like. I looked at a couple of them. They're just kind of seated on rugs with like things around them and jewels maybe, but this guy's like holding freaking gold bars. You know what I'm saying Like. So they're really like showing that this man's wealth like dwarfed everybody else's. And then I don't know if you did you look into like Timbuktu and like how people viewed the city at all.

Speaker 2: 13:26

I did see that, upon returning to his kingdom, he was intent on improving cities in the empire and brought architects and scholars from throughout the Islamic world. Nice and yeah built Mosmos, famously revitalizing Timbuktu, making it the center of Islamic learning, essentially at universities.

Speaker 1: 13:49

Yeah, the university of Timbuktu. Timbuktu is one of the like the best names for a fucking city.

Speaker 2: 14:01

If only they had chimicherry in Timbuktu and be like what did you do for a big? Oh, I went to Timbuktu and had some chimicherry. Yeah, oh very fun, fun words to say.

Speaker 1: 14:10

Hey, I imagine somebody's had chimicherry in Timbuktu.

Speaker 2: 14:15

It probably do now, but I doubt in the 1300s of. It's a South American.

Speaker 1: 14:19

Correct, condimental sorts, unless that king did make it over there, but then it wouldn't have been in Timbuktu, it would have just been a man from Timbuktu eating chimicherry. No, he would never return to his home with Timbuktu. Yeah, you know this guy too. He was like very like. He was like super Muslim, which you know whatever like to the point of where he I mean he felt like everybody within his kingdom had to like he was like forcing people to do it and if you wouldn't convert, like other peoples, he would just enslave them was a thing, and these people all worked at his minds, you know.

Speaker 1: 15:00

So this guy this is, you know, prior to England and all these other, like the Saxons and people like that, being in control of any sort of slave trade. I mean, most slave trade at this time was done by Africans and like the North, I feel, and I know there was some like eventually some pretty big slave stations in like Ireland, but it was like all just kind of a global thing after that. I don't think this was even going on at this point when he was a ruler as much. I think that most African slave trade was kind of like within their own peoples, you know their area, whoever they conquered, kind of shit very similar to the Aztecs Right. So I don't know.

Speaker 2: 15:46

Pretty interesting. Yeah Well, again, anyone in power is generally going to Engage in some type of douchebaggery. It seemed that well over all.

Speaker 1: 15:56

The economic, social and cultural Well-being of the people in general was elevated when he was in power, correct and you know I also like this is a side note, I suppose, but I've read this multiple times About the people that those times, and how they may be like, people feel like oh, you know, people think differently now. That's why slavery's, you know, stopped air quotes. Okay, because we all know there's my shit going on all over the place, right, but nonetheless they feel like that's the case. But most of the time when there are some documents of like your Closest you can be to average Joe or a paper or anything, most people didn't. They were not cool with slavery. It was just how these rulers did their thing. You know it was very much so like a rich person thing.

Speaker 2: 16:49

You know it was only cool with them Because nobody would check them right, and it would mean that's like it everywhere, like the pyramids, while still being baffling as to how they were, yeah, constructed. It's Pretty much accepted that slave labor did that, along with baby the aliens, depending on who you ask. But I don't know the Egyptian aliens, slaves the aliens I mean, yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1: 17:19

Not off-topic since he went to Egypt. But no, this is all tying in together, you know, for real. No, this, this guy is great. I'm not even trying to bash stuff, because, like, I'm just trying to point out, like I I guess, especially with the education part, because, isn't the unit?

Speaker 1: 17:35

You know more about this one than I do, but I do know that the university there in Timbuktu is pretty freaking old.

Speaker 1: 17:41

Right, there was a thing on the university, I know, but something that was existing from the past or what, well, I do know, is that the Muslim world was very like, they're very scholarly, you know, like, to an extent, I do think they had some blockage with religion there too, just like every other people's of the time, you know, and I think that's pretty neat, and a lot of the things I'm talking about, I feel, are like tying it into the fact that this guy's Empire was, just like any of these other empires that are commonplace to be talked about, right, it's just an overlooked one, maybe because we don't know enough, or Maybe because it's a black empire from Africa that dwarfed all else during the medieval times, where we usually would recognize, like you know, a king in England and or Denmark or wherever, as the supreme power and nobody knows, like how it all went down. Obviously. But when I read books and shit that are like as close to fact as we can get, usually when they talk about the Ottomans or like all these other peoples from Africa or even some of the people in Asia, like their wealth just dwarfs like everybody else's, you know, but for some reason we still, we still read these, these histories. Like you know, the white people were in charge, you know what I'm saying. Like Everybody in general was forced upon us.

Speaker 2: 19:11

I know you know very young is just this Eurocentric bullshit that it's right. You know I'm interested in all every culture, Despite being American Euro trash myself.

Speaker 1: 19:27

You know, just like. Hey, you know, like I was talking about earlier, like we are, the government doesn't speak for us like For real, but unfortunately the books Speak for the government and then later on, throughout time, people, just, you know.

Speaker 2: 19:41

So it's like to the the victor right rights history and also just who the victors target audience is, you know right. Yeah, I remember people saying, even as kids, like how? Or the US kicked ass in Vietnam, and one of the older Kid you know family friends was like wait, no, um, did you actually look at? Or you just listen to me? I was probably like eight and had heard oh yeah, and he's like no, no, this was a disaster.

Speaker 1: 20:10

You know? So it's just.

Speaker 2: 20:12

Yeah, it is the, the victors, right, history right. But yeah it's also just if we can kind of brush some of the people that we're doing well under, because you don't care about their culture or whatever, then yeah done. No, totally yeah. In terms of sheer wealth, seems like no figure in history could match Montemousa know the amount of land, material goods. It's essentially unfathomable.

Speaker 1: 20:41

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 20:42

I read something an associate history professor, rudolph aware the University of Michigan, described in Time magazine Imagine as much gold as you think a human being could possess and double it. Hmm, that's it all. The accounts are trying to communicate. Right? This is the richest guy anyone has ever seen.

Speaker 1: 21:00

Yeah, I know that's like the. You know the biggest gold deposits in the world, we're just tapped when this guy was around, you know. And then also I mean kind of, but like the. I read some things too and just to put this perspective, because we all know the Roman Empire, right, and how Everything, rome, rome, rome and the greatest civilization, and all this, when they put the wealth, like when there was the list of the wealth best they could measure it, I think they had him at like 500 billion is like their like Guestimate kind of deal and it's probably more. They think Montemousa, and below him at 336 was Julius Caesar.

Speaker 1: 21:43

So oh yeah, so he's like you know about a hundred and fucking 60 million. It's changed behind Montemousa and this is yeah and he'll. Ian right Sees the day. Everybody knows the fuck Caesar is man, he's salad, all that shit, little Caesar's pizza, all these things. I don't see Montemousa's pizza. Where's Montemousa's pizza? I bet you that should be good as fuck, but nonetheless, what would? What would Montemousa's dish be? Do you know any Molly dishes? I don't know I.

Speaker 2: 22:19

Don't, yeah, I don't. I'm familiar with a very small amount of like Ethiopian cuisine, but that's Eastern Africa right. And not very. I mean I would like to try. That's one thing I have not really. There's not many West African restaurants in the wings Montana right. No, there's no, there probably are now in Southern California, but when I was growing up I didn't know all right.

Speaker 1: 22:48

I found a Molly dish. Are you ready? Molly dish I found is called look, copy time Songha, and that's the one I think I can pronounce the best, because they just found this right now so I didn't want to, but there was a couple others that look pretty good actually. So this is another dish, one of Molly signature dishes. It is prepared with a Nile perch fish and it's served with whole fried bananas, rice and hot chili sauce. Now, perch has a moist and medium firm texture and it's mild flavor. The raw fillets of Nile perch are pinkish in color, but once cooked they give a snow white appearance. Yeah, so that's what it is.

Speaker 2: 23:23

Whoa, I mean I've ever had perch. I've heard of it, yeah.

Speaker 1: 23:27

Yeah, I mean either, actually that's a thing. So there was some Molly cuisine, I Don't know.

Speaker 2: 23:34

I right.

Speaker 1: 23:35

Yeah, I wish this. You know it's sauce man. There's been times where I want to read into some people and it does become difficult, like I Dug and dug and dug and dug and dug on this guy. You know I didn't do it as long as you did because you know I was doing other shit. That's what was going on.

Speaker 1: 23:53

But as I did go into my little routine of trying to find stuff, it's just the same story over and over again because you know, people are just only impressed with the wealth. But I'm kind of like whoa, you know, I want to hear more about like what he was into when he was like building these educational institutions, you know, and stuff like that. And the sources that I found were like, yeah, colleges that you would have to pay for to take the lesson, kind of shit. I so like I don't know if there was even more into it than that.

Speaker 1: 24:22

Sometimes I get around that stuff and I'll find the articles otherwise, and that's how I come up with my weird little factoids here and there. But, like man, it was just the same shit over and over and over. And then just like a different opinion, yeah, on how fucking wealthy the guy was, and I'm like, so I don't want our shit to totally just be about as a mess. Well, even though like that's the story is, you know, it's money, I guess, but I just want to put a focal point on the fact that this black emperor had more wealth than Julius Caesar. And nobody talks about the Mali Empire.

Speaker 2: 24:58

Fuck, and it was. I thought what was interesting. It wasn't his goal. It didn't seem to Crash Egypt's economy.

Speaker 1: 25:08

No.

Speaker 2: 25:08

I don't think so. You know, it wasn't like there's global stock watch back then, no, so it was just generosity that he would. He felt as he was on this religious journey, right, pilgrimage, I forget the word for it, I looked it up, it's a haji but then he was doing something good, it's a haji.

Speaker 1: 25:34

It's a haji.

Speaker 2: 25:35

Yeah, okay, or sometimes.

Speaker 1: 25:36

I see an eye at the end of it. It's a haji, but I don't know about that one. But I know for sure Hodge is like.

Speaker 2: 25:43

Yeah, so he's trying to do something good for people that were not in his, not even close to his position of wealth and status and all of that, and so, yeah, I just thought it was a really cool and I also had a hard time. I've looked up several different things online. I I didn't Directly quote anything except the gentleman from University of Michigan, so I didn't cite the sources because I just kind of mashed everything together, but it was, yeah, it was just very focused on the wealth rather than and obviously that is a big part of it and able to do things you need need money, sadly, but that he I think one of the mosques is still, yeah, still standing right.

Speaker 1: 26:35

Yes, yes, and that was built by one of the guys that he, that he brought back with him from the pilgrimage. That was the thing, and it's the Sancor Madrasa Is what it's called. Yes, and it's kind of a thank you.

Speaker 2: 26:55

It's trying to look over the nose.

Speaker 1: 26:57

No, it's okay.

Speaker 2: 26:58

Yeah, really cool to see.

Speaker 1: 26:59

Yeah, well, yeah, did you ever look at a picture of it, or no?

Speaker 2: 27:04

I did. I did I just mean in person. Oh yeah, I know, I've, sadly, I've heard people say more than one here in fabulous feelings, montana, I'm just talking to right customers, it works. I'm like, oh, you know, I I'd love to go here, I'd love to go there, and they're just like, oh, but I could just look at stuff online. It's not the same, oh.

Speaker 1: 27:24

Okay, hey, dude, I'm now. I don't get the. You when you seen the picture of this mosque, which it's? It's really fucking cool, man. Like it's the architectures just different. I don't even know, I've never seen anything like it quite, but like the, there's all those like wood pegs sticking out of it. Like looks like wood logs. Yeah, like what do you think that's for? I'm assuming to climb it.

Speaker 2: 27:48

You know like yeah, I don't know yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1: 27:52

Anyway, you should. Yeah, people, I'm telling you this is pretty cool, uh, pretty cool looking structure. It's a mosque and a Timbuktu, I believe, a mosque slash University or university, and I also believe that it's still active, so which. It was built in 988 AD and was later restored between 1570 582. The St Corp University, which is like what is a big part of this mosque, became a very significant point of learning in the Muslim world, especially under the reign of Massimusah. Look at us learning as we go along. You know, I'm saying yeah.

Speaker 1: 28:39

Yeah, so Timbuktu pretty gangster, so like that freaking thing that I just looked at it and it says it's still like Active, from what I understand, unless I'm reading this incorrectly is Pretty old man, like that's got to be one of the oldest like institutions. It's like a university. I guess that I've ever heard of anything that's AD. Right, I guess AD is what they. I don't even know how that works, bro, I'm not even gonna lie after Now, say like BCE before the current era. So okay, there we are, yeah see, you're real.

Speaker 1: 29:18

Yeah, I know right.

Speaker 2: 29:19

I guess I don't know if they started zero or started one. I don't think they started it. Yeah, I don't know who started. Had to get to one.

Speaker 1: 29:26

Why this one? Yeah, who started it, bro? Who started that?

Speaker 2: 29:32

Props after death is a very Christian, you know, and that was like even when we were kids in the 80s. Yeah it still said that like AD, oh I know, that's how to remember it.

Speaker 1: 29:42

Yeah, that's what.

Speaker 2: 29:43

I'm being switched when they're kind of like, oh Sort of, when they stop calling it Christmas vacation. It was X. Winter holiday, like whatever. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 29:53

Yeah, yeah. So this, yeah, this moss it was building the year 988 is also a college and is still operating today. That's what I see here. So that's pretty cool. I don't know, go I go, muslim world and you know all that fun stuff.

Speaker 2: 30:13

I'm not against anybody, guys, so no, as long as they're peaceful, you know, I mean I don't like militants anybody, but I love Non-militant everybody yeah.

Speaker 1: 30:25

Yeah, I'm with that, all right.

Speaker 2: 30:27

Well, hey, that works out, pretty well as far as religion, you know, those who serve with the military, obviously much respect, right, for you know, keeping us able to do stuff like this, but somebody that's like, in the name of God, killing other people who don't believe you like never gonna be cool with that shit. Right, what's? There are the majority of Religious people of any Muslim, christian, jewish, what Buddha you know? Whatever Owen is, him is definitely based on peace, our peaceful Just trying to worship in their own way, and, right, totally cool with me.

Speaker 2: 31:04

So no it didn't seem like this, like this guy monstermis wasn't out going to kill Christians or whatever. He just right on his. Yeah hodge to the Maca. No, I ending out gold.

Speaker 1: 31:19

Right, right, and I'm with that. So you're just saying, yeah, and that's not very militant. Yeah, you know, I'm speaking of things like this and I'm gonna back Rascals wants to back you up, my friend. You know that racy agrees with you in a track how to kill God. He says, yeah, this is how to kill God Holocaust, crusades, zionism, jihad. You know I'm saying and what he's saying is less racy yeah, I mean. I'm not even sure, but nonetheless, like somebody told me, yeah that he, like, believed in, but still, it's just against right gangster he is.

Speaker 2: 31:57

He's against religious violence because it's Complete bullshit. Yeah and yeah. Great track by racy.

Speaker 1: 32:06

Right bless, god bless, oh my gosh, yes, yes, um top ten song, honestly for me, of all time. Yeah, no, easy, easy. I'm totally with you on this, my friend Um man. All right, well, hey, good episode. Way to bring this one to my attention. I actually didn't even know who monstermusa was. See what I'm saying. Look at all the history show. I didn't either.

Speaker 2: 32:29

Another like I'm sorry, but yeah, just a random, the television can do some good. I had on some history thing or whatever and I just heard monstermusa and handing out gold and you know, paused and watched a little bit and then just Dug into the research on him, right? Yeah, the one think, even in honor of him, I, I get myself a festivist present. You should, and I do believe I should, get a 6 millimeter, 26 inch solid gold chain.

Speaker 1: 33:02

Yes, yeah.

Speaker 2: 33:04

That seems fitting.

Speaker 1: 33:05

It seems like a good festivist present festivist indeed, might as well, my friend in honor of that guy. And what's the money? Midas, yeah, my is. I wonder if this is where the story of the Midas touch comes from. Is Montemouset All that fucking gold, you know no.

Speaker 2: 33:28

It's the thing. Interestingly enough, we will have an episode involving soprano, but just Watching episode races, do a therapist Tony does, I'm like King but Midas and reverse here, everything I touch turns the shit.

Speaker 1: 33:42

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Speaker 1: 34:26

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