Prepare to be whisked away on a journey through time as we spin the tale of Korla Pandit, a musician whose enigmatic presence on the American entertainment scene of the 1940s and 50s was as captivating as it was mysterious. Our exploration traverses the melodic path of his career, from the hypnotic blend of East and West that echoed through his performances, to the mesmerizing television presence that earned him a special niche in the hearts of his viewers. The story of Korla is one of groundbreaking artistry, an exploration of identity that goes beyond the notes he played, leaving an indelible mark on the fabric of American music and television.
The plot thickens as we peel back the layers of Korla Pandit's identity, revealing the man behind the persona: John Roland Redd, an African American from Missouri who reinvented himself to sidestep the racial barriers of his time. This revelation leads us into a broader discussion of racial perceptions in Hollywood and across a changing America, drawing parallels with other instances of racial passing in the arts. The tale of Pandit's life prompts us to ponder the intricate dance between identity and survival, as we learn how some, like Theopolis McKee and the Crafts, navigated the treacherous landscape of race by transforming themselves entirely.
Ending on a note of global harmony, we send out our heartfelt thanks to listeners around the world, from the snowy stretches of Finland to the vibrant heart of Kenya. Each episode is a tapestry woven with threads from every corner of the globe, and your stories, traditions, and cultures bring color and life to every narrative we share. Sit back and immerse yourself in the extraordinary life of Korla Pandit and the compelling complexities of identity, as we unravel a narrative that is as rich and varied as the music that inspired it.
Prepare to be whisked away on a journey through time as we spin the tale of Korla Pandit, a musician whose enigmatic presence on the American entertainment scene of the 1940s and 50s was as captivating as it was mysterious. Our exploration traverses the melodic path of his career, from the hypnotic blend of East and West that echoed through his performances, to the mesmerizing television presence that earned him a special niche in the hearts of his viewers. The story of Korla is one of groundbreaking artistry, an exploration of identity that goes beyond the notes he played, leaving an indelible mark on the fabric of American music and television.
The plot thickens as we peel back the layers of Korla Pandit's identity, revealing the man behind the persona: John Roland Redd, an African American from Missouri who reinvented himself to sidestep the racial barriers of his time. This revelation leads us into a broader discussion of racial perceptions in Hollywood and across a changing America, drawing parallels with other instances of racial passing in the arts. The tale of Pandit's life prompts us to ponder the intricate dance between identity and survival, as we learn how some, like Theopolis McKee and the Crafts, navigated the treacherous landscape of race by transforming themselves entirely.
Ending on a note of global harmony, we send out our heartfelt thanks to listeners around the world, from the snowy stretches of Finland to the vibrant heart of Kenya. Each episode is a tapestry woven with threads from every corner of the globe, and your stories, traditions, and cultures bring color and life to every narrative we share. Sit back and immerse yourself in the extraordinary life of Korla Pandit and the compelling complexities of identity, as we unravel a narrative that is as rich and varied as the music that inspired it.
Look into my eyes, mesmerized by my eyes. I don't know there was this thing I seen in this guy. He's from like the 40s or something like that, some Indian gentleman, and that was the thing. He just looked into his eyes and just listen to the music. So messed up.
Speaker 1:
Didn't like Liberace steal that routine kind of too or something. Yeah, yes, he did. We're talking about Coral of the Pandit then.
Speaker 2:
Oh yeah, oh my gosh, you know, Okay, cool. Hey, you know what that means you're legit.
Speaker 1:
Now I know why I'm French with you for sure, because if you ain't heard of him Another, chorale Pandit was a pianist born to a bombing priest father and a mother who was a French opera singer in New Delhi, india.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, wow, okay, yep, I heard that too, yes.
Speaker 1:
And yeah, it started in the 40s, but by the 50s Pandit had captivated national audiences with his incredible skills on the keyboard and dazzling compositions on the Hammond D3 organ.
Speaker 2:
Oh my goodness. Yes, that is not a joke. I actually been bumping some Coral the Pandit, I won't even lie. He's in the I Tell Stories playlist. Currently. One of the tracks that I was really into was the Hypnotist that's kind of where that came from. And then he had one that was like the Moogile or something or other that I really liked. They're all know that's kind of where that came from. And then he had one that was like the Moog Isle or something or other that I really like. They're all really it's like. Now they label it like Obscura, I guess. But you know, if you think about it back then and I watched some videos of him playing and he's playing with his left and right hand two different instruments and just killing it. Man, he's looking in the camera, looking at the ladies. There's a lot, a lot of things that I read, that's that there were, uh, girls of this era that they were like he was my first crush, this exotic man from india, new delhi, you say the governor said right, wasn't it or something?
Speaker 2:
then? Yeah, he said opera singer was, so he was born into music, I guess, guys.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, he wound up appearing on 900 episodes of Corla Pandit's Adventures in Music on local Los Angeles television. What he was always sharply dressed in a suit and tie or a silk Nehru jacket and sported a turban complete with a sparkly gemstone. Okay, americans were enthralled by this mysterious spiritual music man from the Far East. Americans were enthralled by this mysterious spiritual music man from the Far East. An offstage choralist lived a Hollywood lifestyle, literally with a gorgeous blonde wife, a house in the Hollywood Hills Known as the godfather of exotica. He rubbed shoulders with stars of the day such as Bob Hope and Errol Flynn.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, hey, you know, I read something that said that he started one of his first groups he was with when he first went to Hollywood. He played with Roy Rogers, the hillbilly group Sons of the Pioneers, under the name Cactus Pandit. A little bit later on he obviously switched up by 1948, he was playing the Novichord on a revival of the 30s radio drama shandu the magician, chandu the magician guys. I don't know. You try it out.
Speaker 2:
It's c-h-a-n-d-u, so whatever that sounds, right to me then yeah yeah, I was thinking it'd be like shandu or chan, I don't know, who knows. Anyway, guy's pretty amazing. Um, he, he definitely uh has. There's a lot of stories around, good old corla pandit, my friend I, I don't even know where to begin on this guy, to be honest, and the fact that, if you think about what you were just saying, he was nationally syndicated, rubbing elbows with guys like bob hope, you know, and all these folks, right, uh, this was in the 40s, uh, late, you know. And so elvis, mind you, the guy that's like supposedly america's first heart throb or whatnot. Geez, I can't talk today. Guys must be the marijuana, not, sure, sure?
Speaker 2:
um, his first appearance wasn't until 1956, so oh, wow yeah, so this guy was, like you know, the ladies' man of the era. I didn't see anything about that Los Angeles show. That's fantastic. Just shows how me and Owen both look into different things sometimes. You know, I'm going a different direction here and there and everywhere. Sorry, my friend, I hope I didn't get you off track. Hey, on a side note, nicole was just talking to me this morning and she's like you need to stop talking over Owen, so I'm going to be trying better guys.
Speaker 1:
Nobody means to, I do the same thing, but by 1951, cora LaPanette signed with theater owner and TV producer Louis Snader Nice name he just clips known as telescriptions for fillers on local stations all over the country, giving Corolla more national exposure. Wow, Then, due to a dispute, he basically Liberace just took over Good old Liberace and stole his gaze into the camera.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, but he didn't have the eyes, man, he had to wear them big old sunglasses and fake. He had the glittery piano and all that shit right.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, I'm. Most of my knowledge of Liberace comes from like old Saturday Night Live spoofs, so I can't really say spoofs Right. Yeah, that's kind of weird.
Speaker 2:
I don't know if I've purposely listened to a Liberace song my friend I have no idea.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, I don't think so.
Speaker 2:
I definitely bought me some Coral Panic, though that's the real deal.
Speaker 1:
Only what's real. Sorry, I do remember on King of Queens when Arthur is shocked when they tell him that Liberace was gay. I was like no, I can't. No, that was like. I remember some kid in elementary school saying like Freddie Mercury from Queen wasn't gay and I'm like, look, it doesn't matter, but come on man.
Speaker 2:
Come on man, what was that from Come?
Speaker 1:
on. It was like a football deal when somebody did something stupid. Yeah, I don't know, I was rude.
Speaker 2:
In a friend town? Yeah, something like that. Nonetheless, all right, back to Corolla. Very interesting take on things, though, mcmichael.
Speaker 1:
And so then you said he moved to San Francisco and recorded a bunch of stuff. As his fame did start to dwindle, he taught piano and was playing in supermarkets and pizza palaces apparently. Jeez, Sounds like a wonderful place. That doesn't sound like a downgrade if you're at a pizza palace, depending on how a pizza is.
Speaker 2:
The Grand Mughal's Pizza Palace. That's probably where it was at. I don't know, I'm just saying he was a Hindu guy, so, like the Mughal emperor was, he has a song about Mughal stuff. Ah, I got you All right, sorry.
Speaker 1:
Sorry, my friend. Anyway, I did see. One of his last performances was a sold-out show at the very famous apparently Bimbo's 365 Club in San Francisco. Apparently Bimbo's 365 Club in San Francisco.
Speaker 2:
Fantastic. Yeah, they did call him a Bay Area prodigy, by the way.
Speaker 2:
I've seen a lot of that. Huh, well, just because that's where he landed, kind of that was his big, his home, yeah, yeah, yeah, his home city. I guess you know how, like me, like I'm from Montana, right, but like I moved a few times, okay so, of right, but like I moved a few times, okay so, and I'm kind of I'm basically from billings, but to me this is home now. So I'm from, I'm from the bg, I'm from uh, battleground basically, or portland, or wherever. This is the pdx area, I don't know what the fuck you call it. I'm out, I'm out here, guys, all right in the bg, all right, sorry about that. Soggy, yeah, soggy trees in the beach.
Speaker 1:
So, Corla, you think he was around some of Nicotina's stomping grounds?
Speaker 2:
Oh, of course, the city. You know I'm very interested in something. Now I may have to reach out to somebody, mr Biscuit Smoothie. We haven't talked about him for a while and he's out there and I would be shocked if he didn't bump him some Corolla Pandit and I don't know. I'm gonna have to conversate with him about this because I don't know. I don't want to say any more, but I got some ideas.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, that would. With how widely talented he is musically, I'd be surprised if he didn't know who Corolla was. Right, and he's into this.
Speaker 2:
Right, he's super into the synths and organs and all these things. Well, you know organs, we'll leave that one alone. Yeah, all right.
Speaker 1:
Anyway, did you know?
Speaker 2:
one of his sisters, frances, was a Los Angeles actress, I guess I was unaware, or whatever the hell her name was. So yeah, he had a sister that was out there. Um, there's, uh, I'm trying to look and see in a july 1950 issue of billboard, uh, as the first musical icon on video film that's. Oh, they lauded him sorry, hold on he uh, in 1950, uh, he was lauded as as the first musical icon on video and film in Billboard Magazine, I feel. So that was something I had seen. Um, there's some fun things, liberace. You know, he did say some shit about him. Um, yeah, uh, he, basically he had the same sets, the same crew, the same fourth wall piercing stare.
Speaker 2:
That was kind of the deal, right and uh, and he shared a rapport, you know, and so with the crew and all that. So corolla deemed him a bordello player who had stolen his act. Little bitch and an act it was. Yeah. So there we are, but, um, sorry to be off on some shit there. Man, we're really rolling today on I Tell Stories. Guys, if you forgot, you know, you may want to hit the website pitlocksupplycom and pick up a shirt I Tell.
Speaker 1:
Stories for life.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, you know, owen. What do you think about that? You got him at the shop too, I feel Yep got some Pitlock shirts here, yeah, cold-smoked tobacco Billings Montana, or well, I guess just cold-smoked these days. Cut the tobacco. Good job, Owen, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:
Anyway, corla panned it and it turns out that, you know, corla had a secret that, much like Liberace, was keeping one well different secrets Liberace's being much more evident but after Corla's death in 1998, a friend of his revealed that Corla Pendant was a complete made-up persona. What, yeah, he was in fact, john Roland Redd from St Louis Missouri, a light-skinned black man.
Speaker 2:
Nice.
Speaker 1:
And with the racism rampant even on the West Coast, you know I mean it was worse other places. I feel but still, it was so racist in Los Angeles that, yeah, a black man could not, even as talented as he was, wasn't going to be allowed in the white clubs, whereas this exotic Indian, you know, yeah.
Speaker 1:
The only exposure was these like stereotypical movie roles and whatever that everyone was enthralled by. There's all the mystics, indian men, right, and it was like and yeah, we'll say that he was a Hindu. Hindus don't wear turbans, the Sikhs do, and the Sikhs don't wear gemstones on their turbans. So that was Nowadays. You could just Google it and be like something's amiss here, but back then hardly anyone was the wiser.
Speaker 2:
No, they didn't know much about as they called them in that time, probably the Turk.
Speaker 1:
That was the common reference for anybody from india or the arab world. They just called them the turk.
Speaker 2:
This is rather vague, just like yeah, it's like it's a real portion of the world's population. Yeah, it's a real thing. You can look that, uh. But just you know, and it goes uh, arab world. They just called all white people. Uh. I think, ah gosh, it was either english or or Dutch. At one point in time they didn't even care, they were just like the English. You know, it could have been anybody, yeah.
Speaker 1:
I think you know, with him portraying an Indian man that was far less racist than Fisher Stevens' portrayal of Ben in Short Circuit, the beloved 80s movie that's a wound.
Speaker 2:
I hate when that gets opened up. It's a beloved 80s movie. That's a wound. I hate when that gets opened up. I love that movie.
Speaker 1:
That was like one of my favorite movies as a child. Yeah, I saw it in the theater and I remember, when you think Johnny Five is dead not if I'm spoiling this, some 40 years later almost, and I'm sorry, but crying, you know and then being so relieved when Johnny Five is alive, yeah, but yeah, colt had just watched that and we were discussing it and so I thought like, oh, you know, we were talking about what a funny character Ben was, yeah, and then I looked at the cast and it's a white man. And I thought I saw Fisher Stevens I know, I've seen him and I was just like Colt, dude, ben was white. Oh, they spray painted him. And Colt just like no, I just watched it, Like what did they do? Paint him?
Speaker 1:
And I'm like, um, apparently, yes, damn, they gave him the cleat patch, yeah, we were alive in such, like, you know, casual racist time yeah yeah, that was a thing.
Speaker 2:
Hey, you know also, balky was the original guy that was going to play Ben's kick Ben obviously.
Speaker 1:
Oh, that's right. He got the Perfect Strangers gig and the world was forever changed, yes, which is also.
Speaker 2:
He's not even like. He's not like some weird European guy, he's just some American. So these are two guys playing other races. I guess I don't even know. Whatever, let's not get into this.
Speaker 1:
It makes me upset Owen Steven Seagal once met the guy who played Salke from Perfect Strangers.
Speaker 2:
Oh, for real, that's pretty hot, is that hot? They have pictures together.
Speaker 2:
I don't know they shared recipes. Do you think Steven Seagal can cook Hot dogs? Yeah, at best From a gas station. Yeah, steven Seagal. Anyway, nonetheless, man, coral Panda dude, I'm telling you guys out there you should look him up. Though His music was pretty amazing, I can't believe he has his little plays on stuff like Spotify. He actually did. I was like whoa, because the sound is unique. There's no really getting around that and um, it's, it's a shitty thing, you know, wasn't he, didn't he? When he first uh tried his way into hollywood? There he was, uh, he uh pretended to be mexican, correct? Yeah?
Speaker 1:
he went as a juan rolando, among other things, but that's, I mean, that isn't catchy. Yeah one, I am one, ronando yeah, half mexican charles, that's what he should have been but I mean, it's just amazing that he lived uh, I forget who was somebody one of his friends, I believe was basically saying that he he really turned into that. You know, he's so desperate to have his talents known and to get to do what he loved to do.
Speaker 2:
Yeah.
Speaker 1:
That he you know, he never revealed to anyone. Really that I mean obviously the one friend who put a secret out there, probably just thinking like, hey, this needs to be exposed, like this is bad that this guy had to like, do this Not be himself to do what he loved, but still that he pulled it off. That's great, pretty amazing. He lived a pretty cool life.
Speaker 2:
Right. Very confusing.
Speaker 1:
It wasn't entirely his.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, and nowadays, you know they would. I don't know if they would throw cultural appropriation at this nowadays, because I mean you gotta look at the times. Like you know, black people like couldn't vote or do anything. Guys Like you know it was not, they were free, right, but like not really. So anyway, it was a pretty fucked up era and so I do understand what this guy was doing.
Speaker 2:
I do understand what this guy was doing and I was thinking about things and what you said and how he brought up his Mexican thing. He did where he was trying to be Rolando or whatnot, juan Rolando, and I feel like the change of his name because it had to coincide with the Zoot Suit riots and stuff like that. And when I looked it up it's really in the same time frame of when he would have done that, because that happened in 1943 and, uh, there'd been a lot of mexican tension for about 10 years or so at that point. So it all kind of like makes sense why he would have switched from that to an indian guy and then nobody knew shit. It was pretty smart because nobody knew anything about india, they just knew they dressed kind of like what he was doing and they had elephants, probably shit like that. You know, cobras, whatnot.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, Curry had not taken the nation by storm either, unfortunately, because Curry is delicious. Yeah, well yeah, it's really hot.
Speaker 2:
Oh, and then his kids. He had two kids. So you were speaking of how, uh, how deep he was into this in his life. Uh, he named his, uh, his daughter, shari, and then, uh, his son initially was Karam, but he later changed his name to John. So, huh, yeah, because he's probably like, well, I'm not Indian guys, you know, yeah, it. So, yeah, he's probably like, well, I'm not Indian guys, you know, yeah, it's kind of weird. You know, I don't blame him and I do feel like this guy did the best thing he could do. I don't know, I have no fucking problem with it.
Speaker 1:
I think it's amazing and I mean yeah, no, what I have a problem is that he was forced to do it. You know that he couldn't just be.
Speaker 2:
John Redd he had to.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, so, but no, it's amazing's amazing that he pulled it off, and you know that he did get to live the way he wanted to live.
Speaker 2:
It just was false pretenses. Yeah no, it's crazy. I don't think I've ever heard somebody play the organ like that, and I listen to a lot of different music. I would have to say that when they labeled him a prodigy they're on point. This guy was like pretty amazing. So, um, it's sad that that was that way, but it makes for an interesting story, correct?
Speaker 1:
absolutely yeah, and here I did see that he was born into music. Uh, you know his father. His actual father was a baptist minister right, yes, yes, and he was one of seven children. His mother was Creole ancestry and Relison said that at age three he could hear a song and then just play it back. Oh yeah, so he was definitely a prodigy. Yes, you know, this is something that's like, that's amazing, just ingrained in him. So I wish, thankfully, yeah, I grained in him.
Speaker 2:
So I wish thankfully yeah, I don't know, god knows what I'd be up to.
Speaker 2:
I can make a good quesadilla. Yeah, yeah, that's. I can do some fry bread. Hey, yeah, fry bread's fantastic. Um, what was I thinking of? Owen mcmichael, I'm not. The only thing that I know right now is that Coral of Pandit was amazing.
Speaker 2:
I'm glad that we were able to tell this story here on I Tell Stories and there is a saying that basically says you know like or it's an old Chinese thing, I feel, and it's like I don't know if it's like a blessing or whatever you take this, how it is, and I'll tell you what I think it means. And it's like I hope you live in interesting times, right, and, like you know, everybody wants to live in interesting times, but typically interesting times are terrible. So, you know, like, there's bad like, there's bad like, and you know there's a lot of bad shit that happens Like technically, you know, covid, that was interesting times, guys. You know war, all these things, but that's where these amazing fucking stories come from, because nobody's as impressed with people if they're, like you know, rich or middle class and they play the violin. Well, you know, the only people that really care about that shit are the rich people, right, I mean, typically, you know the only people that really care about that shit are the rich people, right? I mean typically so.
Speaker 2:
But stories like this are amazing and like also, when you get forced to do shit certain ways and you have to like morph yourself and really just try hard at all these things, it can produce amazing shit like that, because you know he's already a prodigy. But then he had to. Really probably I don't even know who knows I wonder. He must not have had any like anxiety issues, because, you know, a lot of times these people like this have like slight autism, right, they're on the spectrum somehow one way or the other and then they'll have these. Like you know, a lot of them have anxiety issues or hard times with people, but it does not seem like this guy had any of that shit.
Speaker 1:
You know he got right in on it. Yeah, he seemed like he was enjoying himself from all the footage I saw and everything. Yeah, he lived it up.
Speaker 2:
Apparently, there's a Coral of Pandit movie that I missed until I was just looking at my fucking phone when I remembered I needed to look at his kids' names, you know. And then there it was. But hey, there was another. I was just looking at my fucking phone when I remembered I needed to look at his kids' names, you know. And then there it was. But hey, there was another story that I just randomly seen, just so you understand that this isn't totally like uncommon for these times. There was a guy in New York His name was Theopolis McKee, who he was really light-skinned and he became a lawyer.
Speaker 2:
He chose to live his life as a white man until he was like 67, until he stepped forward to claim a huge inheritance as the only colored descendant of a Negro Civil War veteran. So Colonel John McKee so basically, like this became a big deal. His claim in the court fight with his biracial siblings made national news. It says so this guy like lived as a white guy to survive. It was his life choice. But I read these stories and it was kind of a weird thing. And then we talked about, like William Craft and all that story, you know, and Ellen, and how you know that's how they got is because she was so fair-skinned and everything and pretended to be white and all this shit.
Speaker 2:
And that was also like later on in the 40s, because the prejudice was so bad still that if people were, God, fortunate enough to be light-skinned right, they could fake it a little bit and they would basically there's a book about it I've seen. I didn't read it, but I've seen it and it was they would choose like a life of solitude, basically because in order to do so, you had to cut off your all your family, which was black, right or whatever, and then you choose to live this white life and change your name and all that shit. Insane, huh, wow, can you imagine that? That it's? It's far more common than you think. I bet you like, if we were to dig and wanted to do like a really sad show, guys, we could find a lot of them. Uh, thank god, corla pandit turned this uh turd into a diamond, somehow hardcore, you know so, but man, good story bro.
Speaker 2:
I hadn't. I've never heard of my. I won't lie, I was at the beginning. I had never heard of him Coral Pandit period, until Owen brought him up and I was like God damn it, owen, you always find these good gems.
Speaker 1:
Hey, I'm just reporting on people that did awesome stuff.
Speaker 2:
Well, you're a fine journalist. Okay, you know, you dig, you find the truth. I've had to recant some things on this show before. I've never once heard you have to do so, even when you were.
Speaker 1:
Well, I may just not know of my ignorance, I know.
Speaker 2:
I know, yeah, I know. I think he may have started some beef with Finland. I don't know.
Speaker 1:
Totally unintentional, by the way. I was saying like I'm thinking Finland's awesome and I just don't want a bunch of nitwit American tourists over there, like I'm sure the women are gorgeous and the food's you know, I like fresh fish, so they've got to have that. All right, yeah, okay, yeah. No, I was just really saying like I'm sure Finland's kind of like yeah, we're boring, stay away. Like stay in the Mall of America.
Speaker 2:
Like don't bring your shit over here we're going to drink in the forest. Yeah Right, apparently that's what they're all about, is woods and forest. Yeah Well, hey, there you go. I'm glad you got your opportunity to clarify that a little bit better. Here on, I Tell Stories. We do not hate Finland. Okay, guys, no, not at all.
Speaker 1:
I'd like to visit someday. I'm so happy Now they're gonna take my advice and be like yes, stay out, americans.
Speaker 2:
Right, yeah, I know. No, don't do that we like you guys, we love Finland, serbia, finland, all you countries we're shouting out left and right, here and there Kenya Give us another one, owen Republic. Kenya Give us another one, owen Republic of Congo. Oh right.
Speaker 1:
That's cool. Yeah, panama, one of the only places that's actually in both hemispheres. Oh wow, it's not that big of a country.
Speaker 2:
Whoa Dang bro Malta. What up Malta? Maltese Shout out.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, sometimes we just like to Sardinia, sardinia.
Speaker 2:
Sardinia. Whoa hey, I can't remember what my favorite flag was from the Flag Day episode. You guys should check that shit out. It was kind of funny. Actually. It was a great episode, you know.
Speaker 1:
Oh boy, flag Day is only a couple months away, yeah.
Speaker 2:
We might have to do part two? Oh no, let's not. We might have to do part two? Oh no, let's not, all right.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, we'll leave it at one. All right, we fall astray very quickly, my friend. Anyway, I think everybody out there should have a great day evening. Whatever, Check us out. Pitlocksupplycom. Hit us up on Instagram. We love for people to message us. You know it's cool. You know what I'm? Um owen's got his shop there in billings montana cold smoke. You can stop in there and check him out in person, live in the flesh. All right, everybody. Hope you have a good uh day evening much love everybody. Hey, that was interesting yeah.