80. The Network Generation: From Introverts to Influencers w/ Podcast Hosts of The BEN Show Podcast

Today we feature an engaging conversation with Shia and Kennedy, young podcasters of the 'Ben show podcast,' exploring their journey into podcasting, their first live podcast experience, and insights into networking and career exploration. 

They share their initial inspiration received from a business teacher's flyer, leading to their application and eventual selection for the podcast project. Additionally, the discussion touches on their live podcasting experience at OTC in Houston, Texas, emphasizing the learning curve and the importance of unedited, real-time communication. 

Shia and Kennedy also dive into their previous interests and how these experiences broadened their career perspectives, emphasizing entrepreneurship, marketing, and exploring the oil and gas industry. 

We discuss from our young people's perspective:

• evolution of their networking skills
• the significance of communication
• sharing practical advice on making connections

Lastly, the episode encapsulates their experiences with engaging in conversations, handling business cards, and the transformative impact of stepping out of their comfort zones.

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Transcript

0:39

Today we have two young podcasters sharing their journey of starting a podcast. They will be exploring the importance of networking and overcoming communication barriers. After you listen to this engaging episode, make sure you check them out and listen to their podcasts. This podcast interview was recorded live from OTC in Houston, Texas. The offshore technology conference held at NRG Stadium. And I want to give a big shout out and thanks to OGG and for allowing us to share their space and booth to be able to record this great interview and to be able to meet Shia and Kennedy in person. But first, let's listen from our sponsor.

Sonia: 2:03

Hi girls. How are y'all today?

Guest 1: 2:05

Hello, I'm good. This

Guest 2: 2:07

Yes. I

Sonia: 2:08

This is awesome. I'm so excited to have y'all here. So I want to start by introducing you each and we have Shia and Kennedy and you are with the Ben show podcast. I love it. So we're going to dive into the Ben show, but get us to how you started. How did you start podcasting?

Guest 1: 2:32

actually it was an opportunity given to us by our business teacher. It was like a flyer. And she was like, Oh, y'all can sign up. You'll get paid for each episode and me and Kennedy were already talking about Starting our own podcast like that's an idea we had so we're like I mean like might as well like we'll submit a little video of us like telling them why we should You know get it and stuff and then we submitted it and we didn't hear back from them for like a little while So we were like,

Guest 2: 3:03

was at least a couple months. Yeah,

Guest 1: 3:05

And so we were like, oh yeah, we definitely didn't get this, like, it's fine, like, we tried, whatever. And then one day in class, I was like, Kennedy, like, just check your email one more time, like, if they didn't say anything, like, it's fine. And then she put it up, and we were in class, and she was like, oh my gosh, like, she stood up, and I was like, what, what, what, and she was like, we got it. We got it. And I was like, what? And the whole class got silent. We were just jumping up and down, screaming that we got it. We went to our business teacher from last year who gave us the opportunity and we're like, we got it. Like, Oh my gosh, it was crazy. And then like, I was like, okay, we got it. Let me look up who this person is. Let me look up who Mark is. Mark LaCour. I looked him up and I was like, he looks familiar. Like I know him from somewhere. So I asked my sister and I was like, does he look familiar to you? And I was like, it's that our next door neighbor who walks that little wiener dog, like every day,

Sonia: 4:00

I'm sure

Guest 1: 4:01

I was like, I went home and I make sure I camped outside to see him walk by. And I was like, yeah, that's him. That's him. So I emailed him. I was like, yeah, we're neighbors. We could just do this meeting in person. So yeah, it's pretty crazy.

Sonia: 4:16

And for our audience, we are at OTC in Houston, Texas. So we're doing this live and you did your first live podcasting here. How was that experience? And I

Guest 1: 4:27

think it was pretty cool. How about you?

Guest 2: 4:29

It was fun. It was fun for me. It was a new experience and.

Guest 1: 4:33

Cause I usually, since we like have pre recorded episodes, I kind of rely on the cuts to be like, okay, I can mess up and they'll cut it out. But I feel like this is a good experience to be like, well, I can do it all in one take, not mess up and it was cool.

Sonia: 4:48

And I think that's one of the cool things about podcasting is trying to be as normal as you can. And have a, you know, entertaining conversation. Yet, well, for me, obviously, we always have to do it educational at some point. Right.

Guest 1: 4:59

at some point. Right, yeah.

Sonia: 5:00

um, okay, so tell me this. Yes. What career wise and I always tell all my students This is a time of exploration right and not necessarily the finding but what are you interested in? So before this podcast episode, why don't you tell us each? Um what your career interest was

Guest 2: 5:27

Previously before I started high school, I started my own business during COVID, which was mask making. So I would sew masks and I sold them and I generated a profit. And so that really got me into entrepreneurship. And so going into high school, going into that business academy, I was entrepreneurship, entrepreneurship, but now I'm kind of shifting my focus to marketing and, um, business administration.

Sonia: 5:55

I'm also

Guest 1: 5:56

For me, I'm also in the same academy, uh, international business and marketing, but I never. Like really thought about doing that. Um, in school I code, so I do computer science. So I always just thought like, okay, since I'm doing that, I guess I'll do that in college. Like, I'm already doing it. I've been coding for so long, might as well. But now, because I never really had a core interest. Like, I was never like, this is what I want to do. Like, I'm gonna go to college for this. I just kind of, Got was what was put in front of me and I was kind of just like, okay, I guess I'll do that. But now having this opportunity I'm finding an interest in the different types of engineering inside of the um, Oil and gas industry because I knew I was going to go to school for engineering or computer science But now that I know there's vast opportunities in oil and gas I think it's leading more towards like maybe petroleum or something like that.

Sonia: 6:51

So this gave, gave you a whole other perspective on career opportunities. How do you think that's? What's going to impact you in the long run?

Guest 1: 7:01

Um,

Sonia: 7:02

The exposure of, you

Guest 1: 7:04

well, yeah, I because going to places like this and having this opportunity, you make a lot of connections. You meet a lot of different people. So I feel like this would just help simply making connections and maybe I'll have a job opportunity that I didn't have before because of this opportunity that I have. So I feel like that just helps with Building my career further than what it could have been,

Sonia: 7:29

with this. I think

Guest 2: 7:30

agree with that. I think a big part of business is networking and having that exposure and getting yourself out there. And so this podcast has really just helped me do that exact thing because I'm interviewing these people. I had no idea about their jobs or their careers and I'm finding new aspects of Kind of the entire scope of different jobs. And I think it's really helping me kind of shape what I want to do. And yeah, just talking to new people has really helped me. And I think it's really going to help me in the future knowing what I want to do.

Sonia: 8:12

I love that. So before, before this, had you been, well I'm assuming you have been introduced to the word networking, right? Because you're in business. So what was your take about, what was your idea about networking then? And has it changed now?

Guest 1: 9:27

So for me, networking was just kind of like, it always seemed like an adult term for me. Like only adults can network and networking is really only within your business, like your, um, specialty. Right? So if I'm an engineer, I only network with other engineers. Like that's what I thought. It was very closed off. But now that I know now what I know now, it's like I can be an engineer and network with, I don't know, a computer science major or something like that, because a lot of what I didn't know now is that a lot of them connect. Like, we can use a computer science major for engineering. Like, a lot of things connect, so we should network outside of our specialty to meet new people and learn new things about different aspects of different businesses.

Guest 2: 10:16

see the different aspects. It's actually talking to people and having, you know, shared hobbies or certain interests. It really makes a difference in what you want to do. And I think a lot of people are kind of scared to reach out because they don't seem smart enough or they don't think they're at that level of, you know. Somebody who they might want to reach out to. But I think it's really important to kind of see yourself where you want to be in the future. And take those chances and speak to the people who you want to see in, you want to see yourself in that position.

Sonia: 11:11

on how to start a conversation for high school and college students? So, you've done it, you were at OTC, you were on the booth, going through, you know, interacting with different companies. Any tips?

Guest 2: 11:21

So, before this, before this event, we, our first event at OGDN was a mixer. And so, Shai and I have never interacted with other podcasters or other people in the industry before this. And so, We were scared. We were around a bunch of adults who we didn't know how to talk to because we felt like we didn't have any common

Sonia: 11:48

just scared.

Guest 2: 11:49

we were kind of huddled in the corner trying to figure out how do we go talk to these people and make ourselves known.

Sonia: 11:55

would give

Guest 2: 11:56

And I think we were just really overthinking

Guest 1: 12:00

it

Guest 2: 12:01

a lot of people want to hear your story and they want to tell you their story. And I think a lot of people are just scared. So if you kind of just break out of your shell, you'll be able to do that. And that's the advice I would give people. Like, just take that chance. Just, I mean, a lot of people say this, but like the worst they can say is no. And you walk away, you ask somebody else and somebody's going to say yes.

Guest 1: 12:28

Like it may sound simple, but really just start with the hi. Hello introduce yourself My name is and what you do because That can spark a conversation that could last 30 minutes. Then, because you, like she said, you tell them your story, then they tell you their story. Um, and like she was saying at the mixer, we were kind of laughing about it. The reason why we're laughing is because we kind of wanted to meet a quota. We were like, okay, by the end of the night, we need to talk to at least four people, and we need to get business cards, like we have to do it, because this is something that we've never done in real life before. But it was really more simple than like, What we thought like we were overthinking it really you really needed to start with the hello and people want to talk to you mostly so just introduce yourself and

Guest 2: 13:14

Yeah, by the end of the night, people started coming up to us and we kind of relaxed a little bit.

Sonia: 13:20

let me take this a little further. When you are discussing or introducing yourself, um, let's just say for high school or college students, What should they, what do you think should be the first topic of conversation? Because you said what you do, um, but any other tip how to build a conversation?

Guest 1: 13:39

conversation? Well, for someone who doesn't have, let's say you don't really have a story. Like everyone has a story, but let's say you don't know what your story is yet.

Sonia: 13:49

Start

Guest 1: 13:49

Start with asking the other person their story. And then, from then, ask them more questions about themselves. And they'll start asking questions about you, which will kind of break you out of your shell. And then that's when you'll start, you know, conversating more, like it's more flowy

Sonia: 14:05

Perfectly said. Do you want to add something?

Guest 2: 14:07

Um, I think before starting this podcast, I was kind of very to myself and I had hard times conversating with people because I wasn't comfortable with asking other people questions because I felt like I was imposing. And so I think it's really important. To ask other people questions because you want to hear their story and that's really going to impact you because they think that you're leaning into the conversation and you get that response back. And so I think it's important, tell your story, but also listen so that you can get the information that you need back.

Guest 1: 14:47

Right.

Sonia: 14:48

And we actually just went to, um, an event where we had a, a keynote speaker and was exact saying the exact same thing, you know, share your story. Don't share all the technical and the GPA and the rank and the class rank, you know, talk about the story that you have that you want to share. And you said something very important that I tell all my, all my students is. Ask others about them because they're always excited about talking about themselves. So you're putting kind of the light on them, then takes the pressure off, takes the pressure off, and then you can start asking questions or adding to the conversation based on your own story.

Guest 1: 15:26

really opens you up to more conversation. Builds a lot of connections, too, because you'll realize that, When you show interest in other people, that's when they'll start, you know, wanting to be around you. Like they want you to interview them now. They want you to keep talking to them. So it just, that also helps with networking a lot because that will make people actually want to talk to you after that.

Sonia: 15:49

a step further. What do you do with business cards?

Guest 1: 15:55

you do with

Sonia: 15:57

What do you do with the connections? You'll see that

Guest 1: 15:59

that when you talk to some people, even if like I'll have to say there's some people that, you know, talk to us, handed them their business cards that we're not really interested in, you know, interviewing to us, but you can look them up. Like you take the business cards, you look up that person, what they do, and to see if that aligns with what you want for yourself. And if it is contact them, like you email them, you text their number, you call them. Cause the reason for business cards is to, you know, contact the person who gave, like, who gave it to you. So, um, yeah, you just really have to do your research on the person. And if it's not the right person for you, you can just move on to the

Sonia: 16:40

Stack it away. You might need it in the future. Right. It's okay not to, you know, have

Guest 1: 16:44

you know, have a connection with every single person you get a business card from. It's just to let you know that they're there.

Sonia: 16:50

business cards

Guest 2: 16:50

Yeah. I think that A lot of people who have given us business cards are people who are so excited to share their experience with us and give us advice in return. And so I think that going into that, don't just think it's them getting something from you. You're getting something in return. You're getting that advice. And so make, like, reach out. Like, there's, there's nothing that you can do. Just reach out.

Guest 1: 17:22

And before I did this, like, I got business cards here and there, but I just kind of got them like, okay, thank you. Like, what am I going to do with this? Yeah. But now that I know that I can actually help with them, help you, it's kind of a win win situation. That's when I've, like, started looking into them and finding out who they are to see if they bring any benefit. So.

Sonia: 17:42

So, have y'all started reaching out to some of the business cards y'all have collected or is that something next on the list?

Guest 1: 17:49

That's something next on the list because you know when you reach out to people that usually results in an interview for it. So we have to research, see if they align, then come up with questions, send the questions. So it's a long process after like you find the right fit, but it's coming up for, you know, different next episodes.

Guest 2: 18:08

Yeah.

Sonia: 18:09

What would you say, um, what would you say to a high school and college student? What's another word that we can use instead of networking? Because I feel like it's, networking is an overrated word. So is there any other way we could describe this process so our young, uh, listeners can be encouraged to, to do it?

Guest 1: 18:29

Um, for me, I guess to, to break it down, communication. Mm-Hmm. like com. Like when, when you hear networking, you hear like business professional, like you have to have a job, but. You can network through kids at your school or like another word, communication. Like you can communicate with other kids at your school. As long as you're learning something new about someone else or what they do, that's quote unquote networking. That's what you call communication. So,

Guest 2: 19:00

Yeah. I think communication is a good word for it because I mean, you wanna be talking back and forth to get your ideas across.

Guest 1: 19:08

So

Sonia: 19:09

I like that reframe. I like that reframe communication cause we're losing that unfortunately in our young population and you seem quiet. So it like, were you more of an introvert before you became a podcaster and now you're more of an extrovert? Cause I see you more outspoken, but I can tell that you probably were an introvert

Guest 2: 19:28

Yeah, yeah, I definitely was, because I, I don't know, I just thought that if I would talk to others, I'm imposing, like I'm crossing this line. And I think I've always been pretty good at reading people, so I kind of knew what they wanted to tell me without asking them,

Sonia: 19:53

okay. The

Guest 2: 19:54

that's why I never asked questions. And I feel like People took that as oh, I'm not interested in what they have to say and that's not what I was trying to do I just didn't know how to form that connection through communication

Guest 1: 20:09

Funny story. Kennedy didn't used to like me. And, and school, not, not like. Okay.

Guest 2: 20:15

Okay, let's let

Guest 1: 20:16

Lie was probably

Guest 2: 20:17

it's because as I said, I'm I'm a quiet worker In class, I put my headphones on, I do my work.

Guest 1: 20:26

Yeah.

Guest 2: 20:27

So, when I walk into my new business class, I hear this girl yelling across the room.

Guest 1: 20:33

It's not that. It wasn't like that. I just, I feel like, I can feel like I can read the room sometimes. Like, if I know, like, I have to be quiet, like, there's no reason for me to be doing this, like, I can be quiet. But Kennedy, she was always the She always wanted it to be quiet. So Since I was an outspoken person and I let people know how I felt, it was kind of like a, Oh, she's doing too much. Like she's loud. But towards the end of last year, we kind of understood each other. I understood what she was coming from. She understood where I was coming from. And then she actually understood that I wasn't as crazy as I thought as I looked.

Sonia: 21:14

looked, so. Yeah.

Guest 1: 21:15

yeah.

Guest 2: 21:16

I think I was kind of always. always admired how easily you were able to tell other people your ideas. Because for me, I struggle to put the words together, or I don't know how to get my ideas across. And for you, you just shout it out in front of the class, and I'm like, oh my gosh. Yeah,

Guest 1: 21:33

Yeah, we've learned both ways. Like me, Kitty, you taught me I don't always have to say everything that comes to my head. Like, sometimes I can just chill out, take a chill pill, and you know. you know. Be quiet sometimes.

Sonia: 21:47

Well, you know, that story is perfect because I tend to gravitate. Two people who are different than me. But the majority tend to gravitate to people who are like them. But what happens is that if you keep surrounding yourself with people like you, you don't get to grow, you don't get to learn, you don't get to experience. You know, you might have never come out of your shell. I mean, you might have, but this process, this relationship, this friendship, really allowed her to flourish and really allowed you to learn from her

Guest 2: 22:17

Yeah.

Guest 1: 22:20

so.

Sonia: 22:21

I love that. Well, tell us about the Ben show and where our audience can hear you and find you.

Guest 1: 22:27

Well, the binge show is a show about oil and gas, and it's kind of like a broad thing where we kind of want to explain and educate the youth about this kind of complicated type of industry. So,

Sonia: 22:44

can

Guest 1: 22:44

um, you can find this anywhere you listen to your podcast, whether it's Spotify, Apple, or wherever you can listen there. And yeah, anything.

Guest 2: 22:54

Yeah. Any remarks,

Sonia: 22:56

any closing remarks? Anything that you want to tell listeners from your experience that you feel like it's a nugget of truth?

Guest 1: 23:04

just

Guest 2: 23:05

I think just don't be afraid to take that risk and put yourself out there like I was before. And now Being able to express my ideas and kind of put myself out there really, really helped me and transformed the way I saw things.

Guest 1: 23:23

Right. Everything that people kind of say is cliche, like, Oh, it's kind of cringy. It's actually like, it's true. Like, just don't be afraid to kind of dip your toe in and really, and really, you know, just try it out. Like if you don't like it, that's, you know, at least you tried it. Like trying everything is kind of just the way you do find out what you do like. So, yeah.

Sonia: 23:47

And finding out what you don't like, which is just as beneficial as finding out what you don't like. I love it. Thank you girls. Thank you for being here on the college and career ready podcast. And hopefully we'll have you again soon.

Guest 1: 23:58

being

Guest 2: 23:58

thank you so much for having us.

24:00

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