We're Not Stumped Podcast Bradley Schubert Amputee and Adaptive Golf S3 E8

Bradley's journey as a below-the-knee amputee began in September 2014 due to a prolonged battle with osteomyelitis and multiple surgeries. His pivotal moment came three weeks prior to the amputation when he accompanied Jeff Linton, then president of Midwestern Amputee Golf Association (MWAGA) , on a ride. This encounter marked the beginning of Bradley's deep involvement in adaptive golf.

In 2015, Bradley attended his inaugural MWAGA tournament, followed by joining the MWAGA Board in 2016. Since assuming the presidency in 2017, Bradley has been a driving force in both regional and national adaptive golf circles. He serves as the Midwest Trustee for the National Amputee Golf Association and led the 2022 Phoenix Cup team, representing the USA in England.

Beyond the greens, Bradley cherishes time with his family in McHenry, IL, where he resides with his wife, Heidi, and their children, Brooke and Tyler. Additionally, he plays a pivotal role as the Director of Friends of McHenry Golf, a non-profit dedicated to nurturing junior golf in the community. Professionally, Bradley serves as a Multimedia Instructional Designer in Rolling Meadows, IL. In this capacity, he spearheads the creation of training and eLearning content delivered globally to employees, partners, and end-users.

Links:

Midwestern Amputee Golf Association: http://www.mwaga.org

U.S. Adaptive Golf Alliance: https://www.usaga.org

North American One-Armed Golfer Association: https://www.naoaga.org

The Power of Golf: The Game’s Positive Impact On The Lives Of The Disabled: https://www.amazon.com/Power-Golf-Positive-Impact-Disabled/dp/1952779081

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Transcript

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<Mike Bolland>Hello, welcome to the We're Not Stumped podcast.

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<Mike Bolland>I'm your host, Mike Bolland, and I'm a congenital amputee of the right hand.

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<Mike Bolland>In this show, I will interview other amputees and allow them to tell you their incredible life stories.

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<Mike Bolland>I'll also feature family members of amputees and others who support the amputee community, all in an effort to discuss the challenges and triumphs of those living with limb loss.

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<Mike Bolland>So stick around and listen to inspirational stories and find out why we say, We're Not Stumped.

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<Mike Bolland>Well, hello everyone.

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<Mike Bolland>Welcome to the We're Not Stumped podcast.

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<Mike Bolland>I'm your host, Mike Bolland.

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<Mike Bolland>And today I've got a really fun show today.

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<Mike Bolland>This is going to be great because it's something that I do myself and it has to do with golf.

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<Mike Bolland>Bradley Schubert is going to be on and he is on right now.

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<Mike Bolland>Bradley is a below knee amputee and I found his profile because of his involvement where he is president of the Midwestern Amputee Golf Association.

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<Mike Bolland>Bradley, thank you so much for being on the We're Not Stumped podcast.

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<Mike Bolland>Welcome.

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<Mike Bolland>Yeah, we're going to have a good time today.

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<Mike Bolland>We always start the podcast with a segment I like to call In Your Own Words.

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<Mike Bolland>So I'd love to hear your story.

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<Bradley Schubert>Sure.

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<Bradley Schubert>So my story, you know, I spent most of my youth playing, you know, football, a little bit of golf, a little bit of everything.

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<Bradley Schubert>I found out that I was going to have my leg amputated back in September of 2014.

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<Bradley Schubert>I suffered from osteomyelitis, which is basically an infection that causes, that happens with diabetics.

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<Bradley Schubert>It starts off as a foot ulcer and just gets into the bone and, you know, becomes a bone infection.

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<Bradley Schubert>Like a lot of amputees, it didn't happen suddenly.

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<Bradley Schubert>I wasn't for mass trauma, so I had time to come to grips with it before anybody loses their limbs.

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<Bradley Schubert>So I didn't just wake up one morning and figure out my leg's going to be gone.

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<Bradley Schubert>I had to deal with a little bit of the pre-psychological stuff beforehand.

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<Bradley Schubert>I actually even joked with the doctor before the surgery, you know, if I can't play golf anymore, doc, just, you know, leave a gun and walk out of the room, I'll be okay.

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<Bradley Schubert>But, you know, I had the surgery done in September of 14.

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<Bradley Schubert>But as it was coming up, I started looking at support groups.

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<Bradley Schubert>And I happened to run into the Midwest Amputee Golf Association, or MWAGA, I'm sorry, it's a world of acronyms, so you have to bear with me.

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<Bradley Schubert>So I ran into MWAGA's website and reached out to the then president.

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<Bradley Schubert>His name was Jeff Linton.

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<Bradley Schubert>And he got me involved by coming and riding around in the golf cart for that year's tournament that just happened to be three weeks before my amputation.

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<Bradley Schubert>So I got to start to meet a couple of amputees and see, and being introduced to the game of adaptive golf, and it opened up my eyes.

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<Bradley Schubert>It wasn't going to be all doom and gloom.

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<Bradley Schubert>I wasn't going to be able to, these guys got around, these guys are, everything from teenagers all the way up to guys in their 70s and 80s.

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<Bradley Schubert>Now, you know, playing golf and still, still having fun.

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<Bradley Schubert>So I went into the surgery with a better frame of mind.

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<Bradley Schubert>Fast forward a year later, 2015 in September, I came back to MWAGA and played my first, one of my first tournaments.

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<Bradley Schubert>I had actually played in a tournament a couple weeks before in Wisconsin.

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<Bradley Schubert>But we went back to MWAGA, played in the tournament there.

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<Bradley Schubert>And then I got a little bit more involved the year after that.

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<Bradley Schubert>I became a board member.

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<Bradley Schubert>And then the year after that, I became vice president and now president.

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<Bradley Schubert>So, you know, the progression now, I've been the president of this organization since 2017.

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<Bradley Schubert>You know, I'm more of a leader in the Midwest program here when it comes to adaptive golfers.

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<Bradley Schubert>I spend a lot of my time like this talking to people about adaptive golf.

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<Bradley Schubert>You know, it's a thing of we want more people to come play.

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<Bradley Schubert>It's been a great lifeline for me because it's a physical activity that I can get out and go do.

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<Bradley Schubert>It's also given me the opportunity to do a lot of cool things.

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<Bradley Schubert>I can't tell you how many professional golfers I've gotten to meet and events that I've gotten to go to because I am an amputee.

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<Bradley Schubert>I've even gotten to the PGA Golf Show a couple of times.

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<Bradley Schubert>It's a fun thing to do and it's better than sitting on the couch.

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<Bradley Schubert>These guys that we go in these tournaments with, it's not just my tournament.

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<Bradley Schubert>There are other events now.

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<Bradley Schubert>I travel probably to anywhere from a good year to go to 12 events to 7 events just here in the Midwest alone.

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<Mike Bolland>Wow, that's a lot of events.

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<Mike Bolland>As you were telling the story, you talked about being able to meet others.

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<Mike Bolland>I guess at that point, you were going to be.

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<Mike Bolland>Is that something that you recommend to other people?

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<Mike Bolland>Again, you said, hey, listen, you had some time to prepare.

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<Mike Bolland>But even if you don't have time to prepare and you find yourself in a situation where you're an amputee, talking to others, is that something that you recommend?

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<Bradley Schubert>100%.

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<Bradley Schubert>I was unfortunate that the fact that there was no amputee in the area that I could talk to about things.

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<Bradley Schubert>How do you get up?

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<Bradley Schubert>How do you walk around to the bathroom?

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<Bradley Schubert>Little things that we take for granted as a normie or somebody without missing limbs.

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<Bradley Schubert>Just doing simple little tasks that we didn't really take for granted, especially being a lower leg amputee like myself.

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<Bradley Schubert>I can only imagine just having to do one thing.

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<Bradley Schubert>How do you cut steak?

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<Bradley Schubert>Little things like that.

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<Bradley Schubert>It's a thing for a leg guy like me.

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<Bradley Schubert>One of my biggest questions was, my biggest worry was falling out of bed because I got up late at night or something like that and I forgot to put my leg on.

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<Bradley Schubert>It was how do you get around?

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<Bradley Schubert>I live off the Fox River here in McHenry.

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<Bradley Schubert>We go on boats a lot.

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<Bradley Schubert>I can't tell you.

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<Bradley Schubert>I was worried about getting on and off boats too.

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<Bradley Schubert>How do you do it with one leg and swim in the river and stuff like that?

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<Bradley Schubert>So, you know, we've got, you know, there are questions everybody has.

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<Bradley Schubert>The Amputee Coalition has a peer support group that's out there now.

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<Bradley Schubert>I can tell you, I'm a peer counselor.

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<Bradley Schubert>So I get put together with people who are newly becoming amputees now.

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<Bradley Schubert>I think it's great.

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<Bradley Schubert>I wish they had it back in 14 in this area.

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<Bradley Schubert>When I had my amputation done, it would have been a great resource.

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<Bradley Schubert>Absolutely.

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<Bradley Schubert>Like I said, I spend a lot of time now.

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<Bradley Schubert>Even outside of the Chicagoland area, I get paired up with people from Cincinnati.

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<Bradley Schubert>I've gotten paired up with a couple of people from Ohio.

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<Bradley Schubert>Just locally here in the Midwest.

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<Bradley Schubert>How do I help them out and get them that information?

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<Mike Bolland>Well, I'll tell you, it doesn't surprise me in the few minutes we talked before the recording and even talking to you now, the passion really comes out in your voice.

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<Mike Bolland>So it doesn't surprise me that you are helping people now.

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<Mike Bolland>Tell me more about the Amputee Golf and the whole association.

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<Mike Bolland>You were saying that there's many different associations, I guess, across the country.

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<Mike Bolland>Is that correct?

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<Bradley Schubert>Yeah, MWAGA is one of many.

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<Bradley Schubert>There are groups that are specific for amputees.

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<Bradley Schubert>I can go down the list of regional ones.

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<Bradley Schubert>It starts off with the National Amputee Golf Association.

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<Bradley Schubert>That breaks down into five different regional organizations, which the Midwest is one of those.

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<Bradley Schubert>There's a western, there's a southwest, there's an eastern, there's a couple others.

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<Bradley Schubert>Within that, there's state organizations.

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<Bradley Schubert>There's actually Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan.

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<Bradley Schubert>There's a couple of others all through here in the Midwest.

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<Bradley Schubert>We all have our individual events.

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<Bradley Schubert>We all roll under an alliance, the United States Adaptive Golf Alliance, run by the USAGA, which is just the United States Adaptive Golf Association.

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<Bradley Schubert>They kind of give us a little governance of having things unified through competition, through clinical, through clinics and stuff like that to learn to play golf.

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<Bradley Schubert>Even in some cases, we have a ranking system that's through them, that allows these players to be able to compete for something.

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<Bradley Schubert>But these events that we run, they're run by the individual organizations, and they can be a little specific and unique to each organization.

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<Bradley Schubert>We've got a North American One-Armed Golf Association, and they host a tournament that's only for amputees or those with arm loss, or the use of the loss of the arm, I should say.

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<Bradley Schubert>But then there's the United States Blind Golf Association.

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<Bradley Schubert>Their tournament is just all blind players.

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<Bradley Schubert>You have events like mine through MWAGA that are all physical disabilities.

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<Bradley Schubert>So you'll have players that are not just amputee, they have the loss of the use of a limb, or they have blind players, shorter stature, seated players, players with MS, C-P, cerebral palsy, you know, it runs the gambit.

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<Bradley Schubert>So it's kind of a, you see a lot more, a lot of different people with disabilities, but what they're able to do.

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<Bradley Schubert>And it's really uplifting.

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<Bradley Schubert>It's really, you know, something to see, to hear these stories, and, you know, to see people, you know, come and play a game that you've come to play and love.

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<Mike Bolland>Isn't that the truth?

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<Mike Bolland>And it's great to hear that it's broader and more encompassing, because like my niche on the We're Not Stumped podcast is people like us, people, amputees like us, but golf is a much broader game.

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<Mike Bolland>So it's great that there's all sorts of different abilities, disabilities, however you want to say it, that are represented, because it's such a great game.

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<Mike Bolland>I shared with you that I love golf personally.

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<Mike Bolland>I play quite a bit of golf.

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<Mike Bolland>How do people find more about you and the organization that you represent?

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<Bradley Schubert>Well, the easiest way is to go to mwaga.org.

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<Bradley Schubert>You can also, on that there's contact information for me.

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<Bradley Schubert>I can give you my email address and everything, people can reach out to me.

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<Bradley Schubert>Because of the fact that I do a lot of these things for Amputee Coalition and for MWAGA, I'm not short-winded.

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<Bradley Schubert>Well, I'll be glad to talk to you.

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<Bradley Schubert>You know, it's a great thing to get somebody involved in golf and to get a golf club in their hand and wanting to get them out somewhere.

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<Bradley Schubert>The nice thing is, with my position, I know a lot of people outside of the Midwest.

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<Bradley Schubert>So if you're watching this podcast and we're not local to the Chicagoland area or the Midwest here, I probably know somebody anyways in your area that can get you together to play golf.

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<Mike Bolland>That's great.

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<Mike Bolland>I happen to be in Arizona as we're recording.

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<Mike Bolland>I'm sure you know someone here.

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<Mike Bolland>So that's really cool.

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<Bradley Schubert>We actually have a great tournament starting this weekend in Arizona.

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<Mike Bolland>Well, gosh, if I would have known about it, I would have been happy to come in last place by being in it.

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<Mike Bolland>I'm really anxious.

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<Mike Bolland>I want to learn more.

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<Mike Bolland>That's why I was so excited to run across your profile.

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<Mike Bolland>And again, thank you for being on.

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<Mike Bolland>There's a couple of events that you have going on.

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<Mike Bolland>I know there's something in September.

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<Mike Bolland>There is the MWAGA Adaptive Golf Open.

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<Mike Bolland>That's the seventh and eighth in September.

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<Mike Bolland>And then the day before the McHenry Country Club on September 6, which is my wife's birthday, you have your annual fundraising event.

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<Mike Bolland>That sounds like it's going to be a lot of fun.

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<Bradley Schubert>So the Midwest Amputee Golf Association's Adaptive Open is probably the third or fourth largest adaptive tournament here in the United States.

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<Bradley Schubert>We host it every year the week after Labor Day.

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<Bradley Schubert>And it's held here at the McHenry Country Club, which is my home course, actually.

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<Bradley Schubert>Benefits of being president, you can move it around a little bit.

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<Bradley Schubert>Of course.

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<Bradley Schubert>But the pros there and the members of the country club have welcomed us with open arms.

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<Bradley Schubert>And from the first year they were there, the first year we were there, they were amazed to see us come play their course.

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<Bradley Schubert>And that's the feedback that we've gotten from them on a regular basis.

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<Bradley Schubert>But yeah, you'll look at about 80 players with different skill sets, different disabilities coming out and playing this home course.

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<Bradley Schubert>We get a lot of local support from local businesses here in the McHenry area.

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<Bradley Schubert>And even some nationally people come and represent us.

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<Bradley Schubert>We only host this one event a year.

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<Bradley Schubert>A lot of us are working stiffs and we have something else to do too.

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<Bradley Schubert>We're not always focused on golf when we can get away.

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<Bradley Schubert>But the great thing is because each of us hold these events under the alliance, we have about 40 plus tournaments a year that we can potentially go to.

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<Bradley Schubert>So you kind of have a pick and choose which ones you can come to.

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<Bradley Schubert>I'm lucky enough that mine is one of the more well-received ones where we get a lot more people to come to.

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<Bradley Schubert>And it's because it's centrally located here in the Midwest and nationally too.

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<Bradley Schubert>So it's an easy drive.

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<Bradley Schubert>It's not a bad flight for anybody to come here.

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<Bradley Schubert>But yeah, our event is a two-day event.

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<Bradley Schubert>It's 18 holes.

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<Bradley Schubert>Probably one of the oldest courses here in the Midwest.

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<Bradley Schubert>And then we have a fundraising golf outing the day before.

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<Bradley Schubert>We try to do a lot of fun things.

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<Bradley Schubert>We have holes where you can only use your seven iron.

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<Bradley Schubert>Holes where, you know, you've got longest punch, longest or shortest, longest drive in the center of the fairway.

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<Bradley Schubert>So even with players who are short, short drivers, as long as they're in the center of the fairway, you've got just as good a chance as someone who bombs it.

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<Bradley Schubert>You know, and then you've got, you know, both female and male and female.

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<Bradley Schubert>So, you know, we have got, you know, amputee ladies who come and play it.

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<Bradley Schubert>This is not just a male-dominated, you know, sport.

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<Bradley Schubert>You know, your females can get, your ladies can come out and play, and they have their own events as well.

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<Bradley Schubert>So it's a lot of fun.

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<Bradley Schubert>We have a good time doing things, and it's always fun to see, you know, new people come out and play, and play in the event too.

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<Bradley Schubert>We've had the history lately of being able to pay for some of our new players to come and at least try the event for the first time.

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<Mike Bolland>This whole thing sounds so exciting.

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<Mike Bolland>I can't wait to learn more about it myself and possibly play a couple tournaments here or there.

00:15:02.200 --> 00:15:03.240
<Mike Bolland>That sounds like a lot of fun.

00:15:03.680 --> 00:15:10.860
<Mike Bolland>You know, I don't know if I buried the lead because I know how passionate you are about the adaptive golf and everything you do, but I want to talk a little bit more about you.

00:15:11.220 --> 00:15:18.140
<Mike Bolland>You were talking about your journey and how being able to maybe speak to others certainly helped, but I want to even talk a little bit more.

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<Mike Bolland>Was there anything surprising, especially in the prosthetic fitting?

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<Mike Bolland>You're going through this for the first time, and what was that like to get fitted for a prosthetic and then go down that journey for you?

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<Bradley Schubert>So for me, it was all brand new.

00:15:32.660 --> 00:15:39.680
<Bradley Schubert>I had, you know, even though I knew I was getting an amputee, I was going to be an amputee, this process was all brand new.

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<Bradley Schubert>I was lucky enough that, you know, my local prosthesis at the time was SRT here in Illinois before they moved out of Illinois.

00:15:49.200 --> 00:15:59.620
<Bradley Schubert>But my prosthesis let me be a part of this, part of the process, which I thought was great, which is something I recommend to anybody who's getting a prosthetic made.

00:15:59.640 --> 00:16:07.720
<Bradley Schubert>So even my test socket to the ones I wear now, you know, I had, I was almost hands on, you know, I got to see the process being made.

00:16:07.740 --> 00:16:13.700
<Bradley Schubert>I got to see, you know, pick which fabrics they wanted, you know, to be my shell, go along with the carbon fiber.

00:16:16.660 --> 00:16:19.440
<Bradley Schubert>I have an epiphany for, you know, loudmouth golf.

00:16:20.020 --> 00:16:23.020
<Bradley Schubert>So the same pants that John Daly wears.

00:16:23.040 --> 00:16:32.800
<Bradley Schubert>So all of my sockets that I've had made since my temporary socket have all been a design of loudmouth shorts or loudmouth pants or something.

00:16:33.240 --> 00:16:36.140
<Bradley Schubert>So like the current ones I have, I have sugar skulls on them.

00:16:36.540 --> 00:16:45.760
<Bradley Schubert>You know, the one before when I went to, was the captain for the Phoenix Cup, my socket was a red, white, blue stars, you know, socket.

00:16:45.780 --> 00:16:47.340
<Bradley Schubert>So we've had a couple of variations.

00:16:47.360 --> 00:16:52.900
<Bradley Schubert>And over the years, I even had one that looked like it was a, got hit by a bunch of paint balls.

00:16:52.900 --> 00:16:53.980
<Bradley Schubert>It was called drop ball.

00:16:54.080 --> 00:16:57.200
<Bradley Schubert>It was just, it's got my personality out of it.

00:16:57.220 --> 00:17:07.320
<Bradley Schubert>And then, you know, you see that a lot with prosthetics now is even getting the plain basic beige or the plain basic carbon fiber.

00:17:08.560 --> 00:17:22.460
<Bradley Schubert>People put a lot of personality in their own touch on their prosthetic, whether it's, you know, a favorite football team logo or a baseball team logo or, you know, even the guys that are veterans.

00:17:22.780 --> 00:17:36.100
<Bradley Schubert>You know, I can't tell you how many sockets I've seen that have some reference to the branch of service that they served in in some shape or form in the socket, whether it's a logo or if it's, you know, Semper Fi or something along those lines.

00:17:37.680 --> 00:17:44.260
<Bradley Schubert>But the amount of personalization that goes into some of these legs now, even some arms, is relatively amazing.

00:17:44.960 --> 00:17:45.540
<Mike Bolland>I agree.

00:17:45.980 --> 00:17:50.380
<Mike Bolland>I stopped wearing a prosthetic because I broke it and I told this story a few times on my show.

00:17:50.400 --> 00:17:52.760
<Mike Bolland>So bear with me, people that have listened to the show.

00:17:52.780 --> 00:17:56.160
<Mike Bolland>But I broke it when I was in eighth grade and my parents asked me, hey, do you want to get another one?

00:17:56.180 --> 00:17:56.980
<Mike Bolland>And I have it back here.

00:17:57.000 --> 00:18:02.100
<Mike Bolland>And that was one of the things that I went to the Amputee Coalition event in 2022.

00:18:02.120 --> 00:18:03.680
<Mike Bolland>It was in Palm Springs.

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<Mike Bolland>I think this year.

00:18:04.360 --> 00:18:07.400
<Mike Bolland>I shouldn't say I think this year it's going to be in Atlanta, Georgia.

00:18:07.420 --> 00:18:08.200
<Mike Bolland>And it should be fun.

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<Mike Bolland>It's going to be later this year.

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<Mike Bolland>But when I saw the differences in the advancements, it would just amaze me.

00:18:14.080 --> 00:18:15.240
<Mike Bolland>And you nailed one of them.

00:18:15.440 --> 00:18:18.400
<Mike Bolland>The sockets and how much they've changed and the amount of personalization.

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<Mike Bolland>What does that mean to someone like you to be able to do that?

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<Bradley Schubert>Well, it means a great deal because you get that connection to the device.

00:18:27.940 --> 00:18:32.020
<Bradley Schubert>Honestly, if anybody who's not an amputee, you're not dealing with any type of limb loss.

00:18:34.080 --> 00:18:37.360
<Bradley Schubert>There is a separation anxiety that comes with using a limb.

00:18:38.380 --> 00:18:50.140
<Bradley Schubert>And to have that little piece of you, and be something with a device that you're going to have to day-to-day interaction with, you get a personal bond with it.

00:18:50.400 --> 00:18:51.220
<Bradley Schubert>It's kind of funny.

00:18:52.500 --> 00:18:58.180
<Bradley Schubert>My kids joke that I'm going to take your leg, and they're going to run around the house without it.

00:18:58.740 --> 00:18:59.940
<Bradley Schubert>I can chase after them.

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<Bradley Schubert>So it's a personal thing, and you know what?

00:19:04.460 --> 00:19:07.480
<Bradley Schubert>I think that hits on it, and you see more of a bond.

00:19:08.000 --> 00:19:17.360
<Bradley Schubert>The bond is probably the right word on there, but you do see people bonding with their prosthetic devices, especially in an environment where it's a socket they have to put on and off.

00:19:18.300 --> 00:19:20.480
<Mike Bolland>I think it's great, like I said, and you mentioned your children.

00:19:20.960 --> 00:19:23.680
<Mike Bolland>You have a wife, Heidi, and your children are Brooke and Tyler.

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<Mike Bolland>How were they instrumental, or how were they through your process?

00:19:29.520 --> 00:19:30.860
<Mike Bolland>I guess that's the best way to say it.

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<Bradley Schubert>My kids went through it the same way I did, and it was interesting because my daughter was five at the time, and Tyler was relatively a newborn.

00:19:43.140 --> 00:19:50.380
<Bradley Schubert>But my daughter became, for lack of a better word, my wet nurse.

00:19:50.660 --> 00:19:52.840
<Bradley Schubert>She got up, she got everything for me.

00:19:52.860 --> 00:19:55.400
<Bradley Schubert>She went and got me a drink here and there when dad needed it.

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<Bradley Schubert>She did an awesome job that first year, really helping dad.

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<Bradley Schubert>My kids were introduced to adaptive golf and to people with disabilities just the same.

00:20:07.660 --> 00:20:14.940
<Bradley Schubert>And you can see a lot of kids that are standoffish, and they're still curious, but they're standoffish.

00:20:14.960 --> 00:20:20.580
<Bradley Schubert>They're scared about someone with missing a leg or an arm or whatever their physical limitation is.

00:20:22.020 --> 00:20:30.100
<Bradley Schubert>It didn't take much long for my kids to understand that this is okay, that this is normal.

00:20:31.180 --> 00:20:37.480
<Bradley Schubert>My kids now, some of our adaptive golfing friends and people with disabilities are some of my best friends.

00:20:38.300 --> 00:20:41.000
<Bradley Schubert>And they treat these people like their family.

00:20:41.480 --> 00:20:44.640
<Bradley Schubert>And it really is, that's how close they are.

00:20:44.660 --> 00:20:49.920
<Bradley Schubert>You know, we've got, we had a gentleman who just passed this last year.

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<Bradley Schubert>His name is BJ.

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<Bradley Schubert>He was Tyler's best friend.

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<Bradley Schubert>He would take Tyler in a golf cart.

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<Bradley Schubert>And while we were playing golf, you know, let Tyler drive the golf cart around and, you know, to a 10-year-old kid.

00:21:04.700 --> 00:21:09.800
<Bradley Schubert>You know, it made the world to Tyler at the time, you know, and being allowed to do that.

00:21:09.820 --> 00:21:15.760
<Bradley Schubert>Or not around dad, but you know, my daughter just the same.

00:21:15.760 --> 00:21:21.400
<Bradley Schubert>She she come and help out with tournaments and help out with, you know, handing stuff out.

00:21:21.420 --> 00:21:23.380
<Bradley Schubert>And there's no fear to talk to anybody.

00:21:25.000 --> 00:21:28.820
<Mike Bolland>Well, that certainly has a lot to do with the leadership that both you and your wife provide.

00:21:28.840 --> 00:21:30.920
<Mike Bolland>I think that's a really great story.

00:21:30.940 --> 00:21:32.120
<Mike Bolland>So congratulations on that.

00:21:32.140 --> 00:21:36.460
<Mike Bolland>And during this time, while you were going through this, you were also still working.

00:21:36.480 --> 00:21:41.540
<Mike Bolland>And you are an industrial multimedia and instructional designer for e-learning.

00:21:41.560 --> 00:21:43.360
<Mike Bolland>And that's there's quite a bit.

00:21:43.380 --> 00:21:46.020
<Mike Bolland>I mean, you were telling me a little bit about it before we hit record.

00:21:46.100 --> 00:21:51.300
<Mike Bolland>And you've done things that have been translated to languages, as you said, you can't even read or talk.

00:21:51.320 --> 00:21:52.460
<Mike Bolland>And so it's amazing.

00:21:52.840 --> 00:21:53.380
<Mike Bolland>How were you?

00:21:53.540 --> 00:21:55.520
<Mike Bolland>First of all, hopefully the job's still going well.

00:21:55.540 --> 00:21:58.680
<Mike Bolland>And how were you accepted when you went back to your job?

00:22:00.640 --> 00:22:06.720
<Bradley Schubert>So my amputation actually happened just before that, before that job.

00:22:07.420 --> 00:22:14.200
<Bradley Schubert>I had worked in instructional design for a little bit beforehand with a banking world, as a matter of fact.

00:22:14.960 --> 00:22:21.300
<Bradley Schubert>And so I got recruited by another alumni from my college.

00:22:22.040 --> 00:22:25.640
<Bradley Schubert>And, you know, no bones about it.

00:22:25.820 --> 00:22:28.100
<Bradley Schubert>And she had no problems with me being an amputee.

00:22:28.720 --> 00:22:30.600
<Bradley Schubert>She's like, that's not going to interfere with your job.

00:22:30.620 --> 00:22:33.740
<Bradley Schubert>And I'm like, if we're both fine with it, let's run with it.

00:22:34.120 --> 00:22:44.760
<Bradley Schubert>But again, leading up to what I do, you know, there are people out there that are working construction that have a leg amputated and they worry about their job, you know.

00:22:45.120 --> 00:22:46.780
<Bradley Schubert>Are they going to be able to perform it safely?

00:22:46.800 --> 00:22:47.660
<Bradley Schubert>Are they going to be able to perform it?

00:22:47.840 --> 00:22:52.900
<Bradley Schubert>That was never a question of mine because a lot of mine is spent like this conversation in front of a laptop.

00:22:53.940 --> 00:22:55.520
<Bradley Schubert>I have the benefit of working from home.

00:22:55.980 --> 00:23:04.260
<Bradley Schubert>So, you know, I only have to go into my office when I need to use the expensive equipment that we have for recording professionally.

00:23:04.280 --> 00:23:11.340
<Bradley Schubert>But with today's technology, I can do a lot of this stuff from home with a green screen.

00:23:11.800 --> 00:23:18.060
<Bradley Schubert>So, you know, we have the opportunity with some things to do relatively low key and low budget.

00:23:18.940 --> 00:23:29.900
<Bradley Schubert>But I also have some high, technically high, high capable filming stuff at my lab here in Rolling Metals.

00:23:30.120 --> 00:23:30.580
<Mike Bolland>That's great.

00:23:30.620 --> 00:23:36.900
<Mike Bolland>It's always good to hear that because I know that some of my guests, including myself, to be honest, you know, I was born with one hand.

00:23:36.920 --> 00:23:39.400
<Mike Bolland>So going through the job force can be difficult at times.

00:23:39.420 --> 00:23:43.660
<Mike Bolland>So it's good to hear that you're doing great on that and very well accepted.

00:23:43.680 --> 00:23:44.960
<Mike Bolland>That's a great story.

00:23:45.220 --> 00:23:50.680
<Mike Bolland>What is something that you would like people to understand as life as an amputee?

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<Bradley Schubert>You know, it doesn't end.

00:23:53.240 --> 00:23:56.040
<Bradley Schubert>And, you know, you're going to have other challenges.

00:23:56.060 --> 00:24:00.760
<Bradley Schubert>There are going to be some challenges that are greater and some challenges that are less.

00:24:00.760 --> 00:24:04.580
<Bradley Schubert>But just like anything else, it's a part of life.

00:24:05.040 --> 00:24:13.460
<Bradley Schubert>I think I just read a story that there are like 5.6 million amputees living in the world today, in the United States today.

00:24:14.840 --> 00:24:15.460
<Bradley Schubert>We're around.

00:24:16.020 --> 00:24:18.360
<Bradley Schubert>We're not anywhere not around people.

00:24:18.360 --> 00:24:21.040
<Bradley Schubert>So, you know, there are others like us.

00:24:21.700 --> 00:24:28.380
<Bradley Schubert>In my world, in adaptive golf, you know, we have, we'll have a tournament of 80 players.

00:24:28.400 --> 00:24:32.740
<Bradley Schubert>Yeah, 60, 70 of them are going to be, you know, adaptive golfers.

00:24:32.760 --> 00:24:35.400
<Bradley Schubert>Even some tournaments will have lower turnouts.

00:24:35.420 --> 00:24:39.480
<Bradley Schubert>But if you go around, it's amazing how many amputees are actually out there.

00:24:40.700 --> 00:24:42.300
<Bradley Schubert>There are three that live in my town now.

00:24:43.280 --> 00:24:45.920
<Bradley Schubert>I didn't know them before my amputation.

00:24:46.540 --> 00:24:52.500
<Bradley Schubert>But I've gotten to know them through, you know, support group and through other, through just conversation and just knowing that they're out there.

00:24:53.560 --> 00:24:58.900
<Bradley Schubert>But it's, again, it's not that I had my eyes closed to it.

00:24:59.020 --> 00:25:02.080
<Bradley Schubert>It's just my eyes are open to seeing a lot more things now.

00:25:03.060 --> 00:25:11.840
<Bradley Schubert>But when it comes to, you know, the amputee life, for lack of a better word, you know, it is a, every day is going to present something new.

00:25:12.740 --> 00:25:13.720
<Bradley Schubert>It could be a challenge.

00:25:13.740 --> 00:25:14.740
<Bradley Schubert>It could be a benefit.

00:25:14.800 --> 00:25:26.240
<Bradley Schubert>But, you know, it's how you attack those challenges and how you attack those blessings that really affect how your headset is, you know, day to day.

00:25:26.260 --> 00:25:31.200
<Mike Bolland>And how do you go about answering questions when you're out and about?

00:25:31.300 --> 00:25:37.140
<Mike Bolland>Do you get a lot of questions from people just coming up to you at a restaurant going, Hey, how did that happen?

00:25:37.460 --> 00:25:38.240
<Bradley Schubert>Yes.

00:25:38.260 --> 00:25:39.120
<Bradley Schubert>And it varies.

00:25:39.140 --> 00:25:44.500
<Bradley Schubert>Some people will thank me for my service, not even knowing that I was in the military or not.

00:25:44.520 --> 00:25:54.580
<Bradley Schubert>And I politely have told some people just thank you and then let them go about their day, especially when I've been involved in parades and things like that.

00:25:54.600 --> 00:25:56.940
<Bradley Schubert>And people will say, you know, thank you for your service.

00:25:56.960 --> 00:26:00.300
<Bradley Schubert>And, you know, okay, thank you.

00:26:00.440 --> 00:26:00.980
<Bradley Schubert>You're welcome.

00:26:01.120 --> 00:26:01.900
<Bradley Schubert>And let it go.

00:26:01.900 --> 00:26:07.000
<Bradley Schubert>And I don't want to get into a big, you know, explanation of, hey, I'm really not make them feel like they have a gun on their face.

00:26:07.840 --> 00:26:13.840
<Bradley Schubert>But I'll tell you one funny, I'll tell you a couple of funny stories when I get kids asking me about my leg.

00:26:14.660 --> 00:26:18.160
<Bradley Schubert>And this goes back to my story about my kids.

00:26:18.560 --> 00:26:25.200
<Bradley Schubert>I don't want anybody to feel weird or to feel, you know, they can't talk to someone about their amputation.

00:26:25.760 --> 00:26:29.720
<Bradley Schubert>So my kids and I have developed kind of a story of what happened to dad's leg.

00:26:30.780 --> 00:26:31.520
<Bradley Schubert>And it varies.

00:26:31.540 --> 00:26:32.720
<Bradley Schubert>There's a couple of different stories.

00:26:32.740 --> 00:26:35.180
<Bradley Schubert>There's one called a yarn shark.

00:26:35.200 --> 00:26:39.720
<Bradley Schubert>And the yarn shark is, you know, people hear about lemon sharks and tiger sharks.

00:26:39.740 --> 00:26:42.520
<Bradley Schubert>And they don't know what yarn sharks think.

00:26:43.260 --> 00:26:46.100
<Bradley Schubert>So I was attacked by a yarn shark.

00:26:46.980 --> 00:26:50.380
<Bradley Schubert>And what a yarn shark actually is, is something that my daughter created.

00:26:50.400 --> 00:26:54.440
<Mike Bolland>I love this.

00:26:55.080 --> 00:27:00.100
<Bradley Schubert>And it's a crocheted sock that looks like a shark.

00:27:00.120 --> 00:27:01.060
<Bradley Schubert>And this goes on your stump.

00:27:01.700 --> 00:27:02.140
<Mike Bolland>Love it.

00:27:02.280 --> 00:27:07.520
<Bradley Schubert>And I have told kids before that I still have that shark because we kept it afterwards.

00:27:08.060 --> 00:27:11.840
<Bradley Schubert>So it's funny to have those conversations and you talk about it.

00:27:12.320 --> 00:27:14.640
<Bradley Schubert>I've told some kids that it was a rabbit squirrel.

00:27:14.660 --> 00:27:21.060
<Bradley Schubert>I told we had one child that was being fussy with the mom.

00:27:21.080 --> 00:27:24.340
<Bradley Schubert>And she asked me a little bit later about, you know, what happened to your leg?

00:27:24.360 --> 00:27:27.120
<Bradley Schubert>And I said, well, I didn't follow my mom's instructions one time.

00:27:27.140 --> 00:27:29.180
<Bradley Schubert>You know, this is what happened.

00:27:29.580 --> 00:27:31.800
<Bradley Schubert>And so it really depends on how you talk about it.

00:27:31.820 --> 00:27:35.440
<Bradley Schubert>You know, adults, you can be a little more upfront.

00:27:35.520 --> 00:27:43.120
<Bradley Schubert>You know, I had, you know, I had an infection due to diabetes and a couple of other things.

00:27:43.140 --> 00:27:49.220
<Bradley Schubert>But it's one of those things of the end result is you're still OK.

00:27:49.240 --> 00:27:49.920
<Bradley Schubert>You're still human.

00:27:49.940 --> 00:27:51.920
<Bradley Schubert>You're still you're still approachable.

00:27:52.280 --> 00:27:54.680
<Bradley Schubert>You know, you're still just like anybody else.

00:27:55.560 --> 00:28:05.020
<Bradley Schubert>To be absolutely honest, if, you know, if it wasn't for, you know, me wearing shorts, a bunch, you probably wouldn't even notice that it was an amputee because my gait is so good.

00:28:05.460 --> 00:28:11.680
<Bradley Schubert>So it is it's it's having those conversations or their actions, I think, that are very important.

00:28:12.260 --> 00:28:13.060
<Mike Bolland>Yeah, I agree.

00:28:13.080 --> 00:28:16.900
<Mike Bolland>And your your child's story reminds me of my daughters when they were in elementary school.

00:28:16.920 --> 00:28:18.620
<Mike Bolland>Their friends always say, what happened to your dad's hand?

00:28:18.880 --> 00:28:21.460
<Mike Bolland>They would tell him, oh, he lost it in the bologna factory.

00:28:21.980 --> 00:28:24.300
<Mike Bolland>Never worked in a bologna factory, but that's a good story.

00:28:24.880 --> 00:28:34.020
<Mike Bolland>And I also want to share too, I've had I have Arizona Cardinal season tickets and on military appreciation appreciation day, I've had people buy me beers.

00:28:34.420 --> 00:28:42.680
<Mike Bolland>I was like, you know, I know I I'm like, it's kind of a slippery slope because you don't want to offend anyone for their thanks.

00:28:42.900 --> 00:28:44.760
<Mike Bolland>And then I'll never say no to a beer.

00:28:45.120 --> 00:28:50.700
<Mike Bolland>But I'd also it's not I don't want to take anything away from someone who did serve in the military.

00:28:50.720 --> 00:28:52.840
<Mike Bolland>Yeah, it's an interesting thing.

00:28:52.860 --> 00:28:59.040
<Mike Bolland>And I've had other people Dan Moses comes to mind, another gentleman who says it's happened to him quite a bit.

00:28:59.060 --> 00:29:09.460
<Mike Bolland>So I guess at the end of the day, just like I need to do sometimes in my own life, just maybe not assume things about people, including whether an amputee was in the military, because I certainly wasn't.

00:29:09.480 --> 00:29:12.260
<Mike Bolland>I was born with one hand and I couldn't be in the military.

00:29:12.280 --> 00:29:13.320
<Mike Bolland>So it is what it is.

00:29:13.340 --> 00:29:15.540
<Mike Bolland>But really, really good stories there.

00:29:15.800 --> 00:29:16.740
<Mike Bolland>What's next for you?

00:29:16.760 --> 00:29:17.860
<Mike Bolland>What are you looking forward to?

00:29:17.880 --> 00:29:18.740
<Mike Bolland>What are you working on?

00:29:18.760 --> 00:29:20.140
<Mike Bolland>I know you got that tournament coming up.

00:29:20.160 --> 00:29:23.080
<Mike Bolland>I'm sure that's going to be quite a bit of your time moving forward.

00:29:23.100 --> 00:29:24.260
<Mike Bolland>But what other things you have going?

00:29:24.900 --> 00:29:26.700
<Bradley Schubert>So our golf season is just getting started.

00:29:27.200 --> 00:29:31.740
<Bradley Schubert>We actually have we've had one tournament already started this year.

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<Bradley Schubert>Earlier this year, we had the NWAGA's winter event.

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<Bradley Schubert>Their winter regional was what the beginning of February.

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<Bradley Schubert>And now we're going to start playing in Arizona a couple of times.

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<Bradley Schubert>I don't play in the Midwest.

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<Bradley Schubert>I only play the Midwest events.

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<Bradley Schubert>I don't travel a ton.

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<Bradley Schubert>But we're looking forward to another golf season here in the Midwest.

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<Bradley Schubert>When it comes to other events, my life and family are keeping me going a million miles a minute.

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<Bradley Schubert>I golf when I can.

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<Bradley Schubert>I have a local league here that I play in.

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<Bradley Schubert>It keeps me busy.

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<Bradley Schubert>It keeps me busy enough with kid schedules and things like that.

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<Bradley Schubert>The big things with mine are all family related as well as the adaptive golf that I have and my responsibilities here in the Midwest.

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<Mike Bolland>Well, you have a lot in your plate regardless.

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<Mike Bolland>And if you ever are in Arizona, because that's where I'm at, man, please look me up and let's go play around.

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<Mike Bolland>I look forward to it.

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<Mike Bolland>You got me so motivated to learn more about adaptive golf.

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<Mike Bolland>And I know the whole community in adaptive golf is doing such a great job.

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<Mike Bolland>I'm going to link to everything that you had described.

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<Mike Bolland>Anything else you'd like to share?

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<Bradley Schubert>You know, when it comes to playing golf, if you're interested, all you have to do is look.

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<Bradley Schubert>There are plenty of organizations out there that may not give you free golf clubs, but they will get you involved in the game.

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<Bradley Schubert>They'll have temporary clubs for you to use to try to go to a clinic to pick up the game of golf and actually take a couple of swings to get you started.

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<Bradley Schubert>But once you take up the game of golf, if it's proven enough and otherwise, even guys that are blind, short of stature, have cerebral palsy, have MS, can all still play this game.

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<Bradley Schubert>Golf is a great game because good, bad, and different, we can all play.

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<Bradley Schubert>And I think when it comes to things that adaptive people can do and amputees can do, it's a great game to go out and play and spend time with others.

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<Bradley Schubert>So I guess my parting statement, get up, get up, get out and go do something.

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<Bradley Schubert>Go play golf, go have some fun.

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<Bradley Schubert>Life's too short to sit around and wallow about being an amputee.

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<Bradley Schubert>So it's one of those things where if you can get up and go.

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<Bradley Schubert>If you're into books, there's a great book that you can get on Amazon.

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<Bradley Schubert>It's called The Power of Golf.

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<Bradley Schubert>I happen to have a hard copy here.

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<Bradley Schubert>You can find this book on there.

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<Bradley Schubert>It's a collection of about 26 stories of different players.

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<Bradley Schubert>A lot of them, I know.

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<Bradley Schubert>Myself and myself, my own stories in there.

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<Bradley Schubert>Kind of a synopsis of just, you know, what I went through, my whole stories in there.

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<Bradley Schubert>So it tells you a little bit more about me and a little bit what I went through.

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<Bradley Schubert>But there are guys who, you know, had traumatic injuries where, you know, got hit by a car and they wake up and they're, you know, missing a leg or missing an arm.

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<Bradley Schubert>You know, guys who were in motorcycle accidents.

00:32:47.480 --> 00:32:58.380
<Bradley Schubert>We've got guys who, you know, goofing around at railroad tracks, slipped, fell, and wound up losing both legs, you know, due to a train.

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<Bradley Schubert>You've got people who, like yourself, Mike, you know, were born without the arm.

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<Bradley Schubert>Their stories are just as impactful as mine.

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<Bradley Schubert>Some of them are more involved in golf than mine, as golf didn't really get big into my life until, you know, after I had turned, you know, well, 22 by the time I had started.

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<Bradley Schubert>But, you know, it was really the impact of the game of golf on the life of the disabled is a big thing.

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<Bradley Schubert>So you can find that book.

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<Bradley Schubert>There's other books that are out there, but that's probably one of the more recent ones.

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<Mike Bolland>The Power of Golf, and it's on Amazon, is that correct?

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<Bradley Schubert>Correct.

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<Mike Bolland>Yeah, you mentioned The Good, Bad, and the Ugly of golf.

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<Mike Bolland>I'll be the bad or the ugly one of the two.

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<Mike Bolland>But I love golf, and I always look forward to playing.

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<Mike Bolland>There's something, you know, that one shot that always makes you come back, right?

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<Mike Bolland>It's one of those things.

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<Mike Bolland>But another thing you hit upon is the camaraderie and the friendship.

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<Mike Bolland>And I can tell, talking to someone like you, we hit it off right away.

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<Mike Bolland>I feel like I've been talking to you for years now.

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<Mike Bolland>And these are the types of people, people like Bradley here, that are involved in the amputee golf and the, what's the broader term for amputee?

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<Mike Bolland>The adaptive golf.

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<Mike Bolland>Those are the people.

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<Mike Bolland>And it's so important that we all get out, as you said, to play, to meet people.

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<Mike Bolland>And I can't thank you enough for spending a few minutes today with me on the We're Not Stumped podcast because you've really enlightened me and I really appreciate your time.

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<Bradley Schubert>Well, thank you.

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<Bradley Schubert>Thank you for having me on.

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<Bradley Schubert>It was a great opportunity to get to talk a little bit about golf and to talk a little bit about me.

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<Bradley Schubert>I'm not so much, you know, talking about me as I like talking about golf.

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<Bradley Schubert>And don't feel bad about the being bad part.

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<Bradley Schubert>You know, as good as golfers as some that are out there that are adaptive players, guys like, you know, Chad Pfeiffer, who you might have seen on the big break and stuff like that, there's 20 guys like me and you who are, you know, shooting in the 90s on a regular basis.

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<Bradley Schubert>So everything all good from there.

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<Mike Bolland>But having fun.

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<Bradley Schubert>Absolutely.

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<Mike Bolland>Excellent.

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<Mike Bolland>Thank you so much.

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