Episode 13: Revealed: The REAL Thomas Jefferson and What REALLY happened at Boston Tea Party?

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Mizzy M: 0:16

Hi. Welcome to another episode of Podcast From the Edge Talking Common Sense. This is Manju, your host, otherwise known as Mizzy M and I thank you for listening in. So for today's episode, I'll be once again talking to Andrew, who'll give us a little brief history about Thomas Jefferson and a whole new outlook on why the Boston Tea Harbor really happened. So I hope you enjoy today's episode. Okay, so hi Andrew once again. How you doing? I'm very good and you?

Andrew: 1:03

Fantastic.

Mizzy M: 1:05

Okay, great. So let's get right to it. You wanted to talk today about the importance of, um, knowing or studying American history and, um, the biography or the. Between, um, Thomas Jefferson and this nation. Right? The birth of the nation. And then you wanted to also discuss the Boston Tea Party and the real story behind it.

Andrew: 1:29

Yeah. The real reason why the tea was thrown in the harbor that night. It wasn't the reason why we were, you know, the reason, uh, um, that it happened. It wasn't what we were taught in school.

Mizzy M: 1:39

Right. The protest of taxes basically.

Andrew: 1:43

Yeah. And that, that, that plays a part in it, but that's not the reason why they did it. I found out.

Mizzy M: 1:47

Okay. So what do you wanna start off with first?

Andrew: 1:49

Well, let's, let's start with Thomas Jefferson now. I think that'll, that, that part will take the longest between the two, so, okay. It's not biography of Thomas Jefferson. Obviously you're gonna take a long time to, to get through that. But one thing the left likes to say about. Thomas Jefferson in particular is that, you know, he was a racist. He was a slave owner, but he was a slave owner. That's 100% true. Um, but he was a racist. He's obviously a horrible human being. And, you know, they just, they just looked down on him, uh, because of his, uh, his past was slavery, and that's the only, the only example they really cite the, the say. What a horrible human being he was and that he was a racist, that he was a slave owner. While that is damning information, I do omit, he owned quite a few slaves in his lifetime. Um, there's other history behind Thomas Jefferson that were not taught in school that paints a completely different picture. So one example here that I'm gonna go over with Thomas Jefferson is if you read his original draft of the Declaration of Independence. So for those who don't know the way the Declaration of Independence. About right. You know, we've made the decision that we're gonna draft that con Continental Congress that has made the decision that they're gonna draft a Declaration of Independence. And from the members of the DE of the Continental Congress, uh, a committee of five was formed to do the original draft. And that one of those five was Thomas Jefferson. Of those five people, they decided, Thomas, you're going to write the whole thing from start to finish, just your words and then we'll start discussing it from there. We'll use your original draft, make edits and have to have discussion at that point. But you, we want you to write the original draft. Just you no one else. So his original draft, the original draft and decoration is all Thomas Jefferson, all how he fell, all what he thought, his opinions on everything that was going on with Great Britain at the time. So when you read his original draft and I read it in a book title. Lives of the signers of Decoration of Independence. It is a reprint of an 1848 textbook. So this is a book that we used to teach use for to teach our kids in school. I got it from wall builders.com, but I think you can also get it on Amazon too. But I got it from wall builders.com. Okay. And. When I read in the back of the book, they have Thomas Jefferson's original draft. Um, I wish it was the original draft. That would be amazing. But obviously just, you know, they, they printed it into the book and there's lots of little changes that the Continental Congress made in the committee of five made to the decoration. But there's one very, very big change that they made, and it was made not in the committee. But actually in when the decoration made it outta committee and was debated amongst the entire continental Congress, and that was the 28th grievance that Thomas Jefferson wrote in the signed copy of the Decoration of Independence, the one that actually went to the King of England, there was 27 grievances. So this grievance number 28 was removed by the Congress and not replaced by anything else. And this grievance is good. Completely, um, attacks the King of England for his support of slavery attacks. The institution of slavery very vigorously attacks the institution of slavery. And, um, if I can, I'd like to read it too. Um, it's not terribly long, and then just, you know, probably stop at a few points here to point some things out about it, so. Sure. The, as the, the way it's written as, uh, in Thomas Jefferson's own words, he being king of. Has waged civil war against human nature itself violating its most sacred rights of life and liberty in the persons of a distant people who, who never offended him captivating and carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere, or to incur miserable death in the transportation dither, uh, this par, uh, radical warfare, the op. How, how you say this, opium, opium of infidel powers is the warfare of a Christian King of Great Britain. Now, um, that one word there. Opium. Opium, o. Opprobrium, excuse me, opprobrium. Tough word there. Um, mm-hmm. it's not a word we normally say, right? So I had to go, let me look that one up real quick. So I looked it up and it's a very, actually, very strong word against the king. It means public disgrace or ill fame that follows from conduct considered grossly wrong or vicious. And this is how he's describing the king's stance, um, on slavery. All right, so continuing on. Determined to keep open a market where men should be bought and sold. He has prostituted his negative for suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or to restrain this ex equitable commerce. Now, two things in there. One, the word men. You can't see it. Obviously this is a podcast on a film, not a video, but the word men is in all caps. All three letters are capitalized in the word men. So Thomas Jefferson wanted to stress that these slaves, they're not just slaves, they're not cattle, they're men. And he wanted to stress that by capitalizing the entire word. Had the, had the 28th grievance remained in the declaration, that would've been the only word that was in all caps. The only word Thomas Jefferson felt that he needed to. By writing in all capital letters. So that's something very important to point out. Um, now when it, it goes on, when it says, when it goes on to, uh, saying that the king was suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or to restrain this ex equitable commerce, uh, One thing, you know, the 1619 project too likes to point this out, uh, a lot is that the, you know, the country was founded to preserve slavery. Uh, nothing could be further from the truth 100% further from the truth. And you see proof right here in Thomas Jefferson's grievance where suppressing every, every legislative attempt to prohibit and restrain slavery. you know, the colonies, not all colonies, not all of them, but some of the colonies began passing laws to ban slavery within their own colonial borders. The king came in and said, Nope, nope, you're not doing that. You're part of Great Britain. We are a slave voting nation. And stopped all those laws through the colonial governors and through the, um, um, the appointed judges, you know, the royal appointed judges that were here in the, in the colonists. So the king was squashing those laws left and right, and that ticked off Thomas, Jeff. So, and then it goes on to say, and that this, uh, assemblage of horrors might want no fact of distinguishable die. He is now e uh, exciting those very people to rise in arms among us and to purchase that liberty of which he has deprived them by murdering the people upon whom he intruded. Thus paying off of former crimes committed against the liberties of one people with crimes, which he urges them to commit against the lives of another. So there's a lot to take in there. I, I pointed out some of it as I was reading it. Some of the other things to mention. Is that this, um, this grievance is the longest by word count, so he had the most to say about this. And you gotta think too, had this grievance remained in the declaration, Thomas Jefferson knew where this declaration was going. It would've been distributed all throughout the colonies. It would've certainly been sent to the King of England. Definitely. So, and we're else in Europe would've had been sent to, we were trying to. Favoritism among other European countries to get them on our side, such as, such as the French. We got help from the Dutch, uh, at least with regards to some money. I'm not sure. I don't think they, they provide any military support, but at least financially speaking. So we were trying to get help all throughout Europe. Um, either be it militarily or financial to, uh, to help us defeat the British. So, you know, certainly this declaration could have gone to other countries in Europe as well. So he was making not just. Stance on slavery amongst the founders, amongst those 56 members of, uh, of the Continental Congress. He was making it nationwide throughout all the colonies, and he was potentially making a very um, um, uh, Strong stance on the international stage as well. So he was, he was, he wasn't hiding how he felt. It was, this wasn't some, something he wrote in a letter he wrote to just one person and that only that one person saw it. He was, he was writing and knowing that a lot of people were gonna see how he felt on slavery. So when the left likes to say Thomas Jefferson was a racist, and then a, a common, a common, uh, rebuttal to that was, well, Thomas Jefferson wrote, all Men are Created Equal. He wrote that in the Declaration of Men Independence and then left likes to say, well, he didn't mean all men, obviously, because he was a slave owner. He was a racist. So clearly he didn't, he meant all white men. No, he meant all men and he stressed it in the 28th grievance. He, um, stressed it in his public, very, very public stance against the institution. And makes me think too, that, did Thomas Jefferson want to end slavery as America was born? That he did he wanna just do away with the institution from the very, very beginning of our country, which completely contradicts the narrative given to us by the 1619 project. It's the complete opposite of what 1619 project likes to say. Yeah, he was a slave owner, but what were his true feelings on slavery? I'm not sure. I can't remember how he came into possession of his slaves. George Washington, for example, didn't buy his slaves. He, he inherited his slaves. So I'm not sure if Thomas Jefferson had a similar situation or, or the exact same situation, but I. He, um, in the 28th grievance paints a completely different picture of Thomas Jefferson.

Mizzy M: 11:08

Um, well, why do you think, um, oh, go ahead. Sorry. Go ahead, Angela. No, no, please go ahead. No, I ju I'm just curious, um, why was the 28th grievance taken out and who was it? I mean, did they have a debate?

Andrew: 11:20

oh, there was debate. Yeah, there was debate on the entire declaration once they hit. Um, surely there was debate in that, in the committee of five and there was a debate on the, uh, on the main floor there amongst all the signers. Um, I'm not sure. I think it was John Hancock's original proposal to that. Whatever we put in the declaration, everyone has to agree to it. It has to be unanimous consent on this decoration, so that way we're un. If we're split on certain things, you know, one colony didn't like the seventh grievance, three colonies, didn't like the 14 grievance, then we're fractured. So it'll be easier to pull us apart and weaken the overall cause and weaken the overall goal of defeating the King of England, I think defeating the British. So it was, it was decided very early, I think even before the draft was done that, uh, we had to have unanimous consent on the Declaration of Independence. That was, that was first and foremost. So when the. The declaration went to the main Congress for a debate. It's it's come out committee at this point, and now it's before the entire Congress. The 28th grievance was still there at that point. The two colonies objected to it, Georgia and South Carolina. and because two colonies, all it took was one colony to object to something and, and then it would be removed. And there may be some debate, maybe some negotiation. But if in the end one colony said no to something, it was gone. So two colonies in this case said no to the 28th grievance. That was Georgia and South Carolina. To them it just wasn't a grievance. They, they were okay with slavery. This is down in the south, so there was a north-south divide between slavery and, you know, anti-slavery. Very early on, well before the, um, before the signing of the declaration. So to them it wasn't a grievance. They were okay with, with slavery. Um, so it was, and that's the reason why I was taken out. Um, okay. Which I think is kind of ironic too, because you gotta think of the original 13 colonies. Georgia and South Carolina ended up becoming part of the confederacy about 90 plus, 90 ish years later. Right. Excuse me. Um, but two colonies that ended up becoming part of the Confederacy, Virginia. did not object to the 28th grievance, and then North Carolina did not object to the 28th grievance. So I think it's funny that two of the states that ended up becoming part of the Confederacy were okay with the 28th grievance. Right. Being in the, being in the declaration. So, so that's why I was removed because Georgia and South Carolina said no to it. Um, wow. Some other things here about Thomas Jefferson, that, that painted a completely different picture of him. He, um, one, one thing that people aren't taught in school is that, uh, America was the first country to do away with international slave trade. We, we still had slavery in America, but we just weren't importing slaves from Africa anymore. That became illegal. So, uh, that was signed into law, I believe 1807 if I'm not, if not mistaken, passed by Congress signed into law by Thomas Jefferson. So, uh, this anti, you know, this not anti-slavery, but supposedly pro-slavery. Huge racist of a president, huge racist of a person, um, signed a law banning slavery, or it's not banning slavery. Banning the international slave trade here in America, which was very, a big important step to just overall abolishing slavery in America. You can't have slavery in America. And, uh, and or, or be anti-slavery in America and ban slavery, but still allow the international slave trade. So I think that was a very important first step or a very early step, rather, in banning the overall institution of slavery in America, you know, um, eliminating the international slave trade. So he, he clearly had, before doing that, before signing that bill into law. That was, like I said, that was 1807. I believe that that became law. Um, you know, just in 1776 he was making a very public stance against the institution. So, um, I'm not surprised that he signed that law and was very willing, didn't beat away, he didn't send it back to Congress. He, he voluntarily signed that law, signed that bill to law. So, um, you know, the, my point is, is that, you know, Yeah, sure. He, he, he certainly had mis, he made mistakes in his past. I, I wouldn't doubt that we all have, we're all sinners to some degree. No one's perfect. This will fallen the world and, uh, to hold him to, uh, a standard that, you know, back then, just, it wasn't possible, you know, back in his day. Um, you know, just, I don't think it's really quite fair, uh, on our part, you know, society's part today that is, and Right. You know, he just, the history is not just, you know, you know, for lack of a better term, black and white. It's, it's a very, very gray area with a lot of the history in America. So, um, you can't just find just one thing, uh, he was a slave owner, racist, and then just move on from there. I think he got it all figured out.

Mizzy M: 15:57

Right, right. Especially his, um, love affair or relationship with Sally Hemmings. It seems like, um, it wasn't, um, something that was superficial. It seems like it went deeper.

Andrew: 16:10

Oh, well, it's funny that you should bring that up because I'm reading another book. I just started reading it. I haven't gotten too far, and it called The Jefferson Lies. And instead of chapters, you know, chapter one, chapter two, it's Lie one, lie two, and so on. I think there's seven or eight lies in the book as, as they put it, one of them, the very first one is did Thomas Jefferson Father, a child, at least one Child with his Slave, Sally Hemmons, and it goes into that. And the evidence is not, uh, the evidence is not clear that he did it. The evidence, there's actually a lot of evidence to, to suggest that, um, it possibly could have been either his brother who fathered the, the child with Sally Hemmings, or one of his nephews, one of his brother's sons who fathered the child with Sally Hemmings. Um, I won't go too in depth with, let me try to find it here real quick. Cause it

Mizzy M: 17:02

started, I think, I thought they had around six kids or something together.

Andrew: 17:07

Yeah. See that's crazy. Yeah. Let me, let me try to find it here real quick. Um, so it was back in the late nineties and I remember, I remember hearing this story too when I was on the news that there was a dna, a test done between known descendants of Thomas Jefferson and known descendants of Sally Hemmings. Are they. Came back. Yes. The related, uh, Thomas Jefferson must have had, uh, at least one child with his slave Sally Hemings case closed. We're all set and done. Thomas Jefferson was a racist. We all hate him. Um, let me see here. Lemme see if I can find it.

Mizzy M: 17:41

Interesting. Yeah. So, because recently, um, I think they did an excavation and they found Sally Hemings. Room that she was in. Oh wow. Okay. Um, it was in Monticello. It was just very recently too. I saw that on, huh? Um, like the history channel or something like that. And, um, they said that she was very well educated. She was very fair. She had extremely long hair. Mm-hmm. and, um, you know, that she possibly had up to six kids with Thomas Jefferson.

Andrew: 18:16

Um, yeah, I've heard that as well. Okay. I think I've found it here. Okay, so. Now it goes into, the book, starts off very, very early, you know, talks about the, um, that news story. 19, it was 1998, is what they say here in the book, which sounds about right. I do remember it was the late nineties, you know, talking about the, the DNA test that was done. But the book goes on to say, However, only eight weeks after the initial blockbuster DNA story was issued, it was retracted, quietly and without fanfare with the scientific researcher who had conducted the D N A test announcing that it actually had not proven. That Thomas, that Jefferson fathered any children with Hemmings. And there is a, a site, uh, source cited for that, uh, for that claim cuz these, all these books I read are, are very well researched. And so there's hundreds of sources in, in the back of these books that I read. So I was putting that out there just in general. Uh, but this news, exonerating Jefferson did not make the same splash in the national headlines for aided no agenda being advanced at the time since doing justice to Jefferson's reputation was not deemed to be a worthy national consideration in and of itself. The retraction story was simply buried or ignored, and the book goes on to explain how the DNA test was conducted and that, um, One part of it was to, to really get a firm solid grasp. Yes, you are related, you know, to try to, you know, especially going this many generations past Thomas Jefferson's generation, you need to compare why chromosomes in, in living people today. So why chromosome obviously is coming from the male side of the family. Thomas Jefferson had no male heirs. He did have one son, but that son died in infancy. So he, he had no. No male children to, uh, to live, to maturity and father children of their own. To pass on that y chromosome to the next, excuse me, to the next generation. So the Y chromosome they used, um, that they were using to kind of compare was Thomas Jefferson's, I think brother, so known relatives of Thomas Jefferson's brother, who did have set multiple sons. And, you know, the, the family line carried on from there, uh, with him. So the, the way that test was, and I, I'd have to go back and read to get some more details, but the way the test seemed, it proved that yes, a, Jefferson fathered a child with Sally Hemming. But didn't prove Thomas Jefferson did it. And then there was letters that they found that they have, or some documentation, whether it was letters or maybe something else that showed that Thomas Jefferson's brother did spend time at Monticello along with at least some of his brother's sons also there at Monticello. At the same time, right on the time Sally Hemmings would've gotten pregnant. Wow. So was it one of them, you can't prove which one it was, um, specifically, but was it one of them? It's, it that's, that's, the evidence leans that way. It was a, a Jefferson that fathered a child, but it doesn't prove it was Thomas Jefferson. It leans more towards either his brother or one of his nephews. Wow. Okay. That did it. So, um, there's more, there's more to it. They, they go into great detail on it, but, um, yeah, so it's, I pretty refin that you bring that up. I just started reading this book not too long. Okay. Okay. And so you can get the, you can get the Jefferson Lies written by David Barton Wall builders.com. Also, for those who are interested, Jefferson Lies

Mizzy M: 21:32

Okay. Yeah. Okay. Good to know. Yeah. So, and um, so is that all that you wanted to talk about with Thomas Jefferson before we move on to the next.

Andrew: 21:43

Yeah. Topic. Yeah. Let's move on to, let's move on to the Boston Tea Party here. So, um, so that's, that's to, that's, you know, a few tidbits on Thomas Jefferson is obviously much more to a story. But, um, so the Boston Tea Party, I was reading again another book by David Barton. He's, uh, one, definitely one of my favorite authors, and his son Tim Barton, actually co co-authored this book with him. It's called The American Story, the Beginnings, again, you can get it on Wall Builders.com lots and lots, hundreds of sources in the back of this book. And they, they're not shy about, uh, pointing out their sources and where they're getting their information from. But we got to the Boston Tea Party in, it was chapter five, and I, you know, I thought I knew everything there is to know about the Boston Tea Party. Right? We're told that the, um, you know, that the colonists were upset about the taxes overall. They're upset about taxes in general. Uh, right. Specifically, you know, this dealt with the taxes on the tea and we're not drinking the tea. No way. We're not paying these taxes. We're fed up, we're done with. No taxation without representation, which is one of the 27 grievances, but there's 26 others that we just don't learn about in school. Right. Um, I believe that was number somewhere in the middle of the pack in terms of the list. Um, the way it made where it made it on the list of the, of the grievances. So I get to, I'm, I'm getting to the Boston Tea Party and when I'm reading, the reason why they threw the tea in the harbor was not because of the taxes, it was to protect the ship owner, um, of the, I think it was two ships that brought in tea. It was to protect the owner of those ships. And so important. It's another example of how, why it's so important to learn this history. So I remember when Black Lives Matter was going on, you know, there's a lot of Black Lives Matter talk in the news. And there was this one guy who was head of a Black Lives Matter chapter, I believe, somewhere in New York, one of the boroughs in New York, maybe in Brooklyn, but somewhere in New York. Excuse me. New York City, pardon me. And um, his name, I remember his name is Hawk Newsom, I believe was his name. And he was on a lot and he used a Boston Tea Party as example. So at this point, you know, when they're, when they're doing these interviews with him, you know, there's lots of riots going on in the cities all around the country. And he uses the Boston Tea Party as an example. Oh, well, you know, these. People in Boston, they, they rioted, you know, cause they were upset about, they were, you know, at the time their government was the, was the British monarchy in, in parliament? They were upset and so they r and threw all this tea in the harbor. Well, okay, that's not the reason why they did it. And don't forget to, after they're done throwing the tea in the harbor, they didn't go into the city in Boston and burn down every building they can find. They just threw tea in the harbor and. and that was it. Um, but I find out that's not the reason why they did it. And that's what he was probably taught in school. That's what I was taught in school. So he's just right reciting back what he was taught in our public education system. So I'm not, I'm not faulting him for his, his lack of knowledge on the history. Cuz I only learned this, I, I got this book maybe a year ago, not even a year ago. So I just learned this probably within the last 12 months. So I'll read this little section of it here that, that talks about. It's about two paragraphs. Uh, the Patriots and the sea ports where the tea ships would arrive, held town meetings to decide what to do, what to do with the tea that was coming in. And cuz they knew the tea was coming and as we know, they didn't wanna drink it. Um, when one tee ship docked in Boston, the Patriots put guards on the craft. Its tea was not to be unloaded. That was their original plan was to simply not let the tea be unloaded. But that decision put the ship's owner, Joseph Rotch. R O t C h is how you say it, how you spell his last name. Okay. Uh, yeah. Ship's owner, Joseph Rotch, in a very difficult situation, he wanted help and Joseph wants to explain his dilemma to the Americans. So patriot leaders called for public meeting at Boston's old south meeting house, approximately 7,000 citizens came to hear him, him being Joseph. Uh, so he told the crowd. If he attempted to sail back to England without unloading the T, his business and perhaps even his life would be in danger for the British had threatened to seize and confiscate his ships unless the T was offloaded by a certain date. The colonists sympathized with the predicament and came up with a solution to deal with the hard fisted British policy, and at the same time, protect Rotch's. The Americans would board the vessel and throw the tea overboard. The ship could then return to England without the tea. But at the same time, the Americans would remain true to their principles by not accepting the tea in their eyes, it would be a win-win situation, and there is a source cited for that claim. Wow. So they did it to protect a ship. Now at the same time, you know, they, like I said, it was a win-win. We're still not drinking a tea, so this is good, but you get to go home and I'm sure they, I, I wouldn't doubt it probably said to Joseph, look, just blame it all on us. We don't care. We're, we're fed up with the king anyways. We can't stand 'em. Go ahead and just blame it all on us saying, oh, your majesty, these crazy, these crazy people in Boston just throw the tea in the harbor.

Mizzy M: 26:34

Oh my gosh. Right, right right. Oh, wow. I did not know that. This is the East India Tea company that he was, I think, bringing in, right?

Andrew: 26:44

I Believe so, yeah. Yep. Okay. Um, so that's why he did it. So when you got that, that, that man on, on, uh, on the news, uh, that was, uh, black Lives Matter chapter president or, or leader, whatever his official title is, um, you know, he's, he's, he's citing an incorrect history as a justification for what was being done to our cities at the time. So I just, it, it's very, very, very important to understand history and to learn history. I, I can't stress it enough and I love the stories just in general. So I, you know, I didn't get this love of history just recently. I've had it ever since I was a little kid, but mm-hmm. um, you know, learning stuff like this. I mean, I should have learned this in, in grade school. I shouldn't have learned this when I'm 40 years old. Right, right. It's a story that we're all taught about the Boston Tea Party, one of the most famous stories. because we teach it in our public education system, but we don't even teach it correctly.

Mizzy M: 27:37

Right, exactly. Do, do you know why that is? I mean, it can't all be from. When we had last spoken about Woodrow Wilson and how he kind of manipulated all the, um, historical facts that went into the textbooks.

Andrew: 27:52

Yeah. At least contributed to it. I I wouldn't say he was solely responsible, but he certainly was one of the culprits of that. One of, yeah, I'm, I'm not sure why we don't teach that story. I'm, I'm really not sure. Um, my, uh, my wife and I, and we're gonna take our daughter with us. We're, you know, we're gonna plan a trip back to Boston maybe, maybe this summer. Maybe this summer after. And one, I remember one of the stops cuz you. Historical tour that goes around in Boston. One of the stop is a museum you go to and they have a Boston Tea Party exhibit in the museum. And in the exhibit is an actual crate that was thrown that was there at the Boston Tea Party. It was one of the crates that was thrown into Boston Harbor that night. And Oh wow. I told my wife, I was like, I want that crate. I don't care what it cost me. And she, she said, you're never getting that crate. Um, but it's really cool. It's the only known crate from that, that day to exist. Still exists. That's amazing. So I wanna really, now that I know a little bit more about the Boston Tea Party, I want to go around and read. Do they actually talk about that? Cause I don't remember learning that at the exhibit. I learned it from this book, the American story. So that's where I learned it from. Um, I'd be curious to know, is this history museum in Boston who has a whole section dedicated to the Boston Tea Party, are they teaching it correct. Right. I don't, I don't know. I'm not sure. I'm not sure what they, I can't remember what they, how they, what they have there. But, um, I'll, I'll be checking for sure next time we go. Yeah, that should be really interesting. Yeah. Um, and a wonderful experience for your daughter too. Yeah, to see it. And I, I told her how it's, cuz what, you know, someone apparently had found it, uh, on a shoreline, maybe up a river or something. I can remember where exactly it was originally discovered. Um, you know, immediately found in the Boston Tea Party, but it was picked up and at some point between then, and when it be, you know, became in possession of the museum, um, a little girl had used it to hold her dolls and it was, it's actually painted on the side. They painted like flowers and all these like, you know, pinks and stuff, you know, all these different colors on it. And some of that paint still exists on the crate. Not all of it's still there. Oh, oh, wow. Some of the paint was there. So I think it just asks the history overall, uh, of it, even though it's, I don't think it's defacing the history in, in any way, but, um, yeah, it was used to, you know, it was thrown in the. there in the mid 1770s and then later on used to hold some little girl stalls. So

Mizzy M: 30:15

Well, again, thank you so much for these fascinating stories.

Andrew: 30:19

Oh, it's my pleasure to, to share them. So definitely get out there and learn your history. I highly, highly recommend wallbuilders.com. They have a blog too, they also have a YouTube channel. You can search David Barton on YouTube. He's the founder of Wall Builders, and you can find numerous lectures that he's given. He goes to different churches. Um, he's from, they're down in Texas, so a lot of big churches for him to go to and where he can speak to large crowds of people. And he's, he's given numerous lectures. You can find a lot of 'em online. Um, right there, right there on YouTube. And, um, you know, lots of, I mean, just unbelievable information. Yeah. We we're not taught in schools anymore, so highly recommend it.

Mizzy M: 30:56

Okay, so that's Barton, b a r t o n.

Andrew: 31:00

Correct.

Mizzy M: 31:01

David. Okay. And then you had a couple other books, um, the Thomas Jefferson Lies, and then there was another book before that that you had also mentioned. So maybe you can just, um, you know, email me with the title and the author and then I can just, uh, put it up on the site.

Andrew: 31:22

Yeah. Yeah. I'll send you the links to 'em cuz you can get all three of these books on wall builders. The, um, the first one they, the first one David and, and his son Tim didn't write. It's the Lives of the Signers, of the Decoration of Independence. And, but this book, it just gives a kind of mini biography of all the signers. It's a really cool book. Um, so real, that's a good information in here. And the, um, it's a reprint of an 1848 school textbook, so they didn't write it themselves. It's, uh, available on their website. So the purpose. Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah. Alright. Yeah. The other two books they did write,

Mizzy M: 31:54

they, oh, so David Barton wrote the other book to the Lies of Thomas Johnson.

Andrew: 31:59

Yeah. Jefferson Lies. That's David Barton. And the American story is David Barton and his son Tim Barton.

Mizzy M: 32:04

Okay. All right, great. Well thank you for another episode. Um, and I really appreciate you coming on. With these incredible stories of our American history.

Andrew: 32:19

No problem. It's my pleasure. Maybe for next episode, whenever, whenever you can have me on next. Um, yeah. And, and remind me in case I forget. Yeah. We can talk about, um, this will been more, uh, more, uh, directly the past of the Democrats of Democrats and Democrat party, very much how they used to campaign down in the South, during the Jim Crow era. It's Blow Your Mind. This book that I read, it was not by David Barton, is that by Bruce Bartlett? But this book, the other book that I read, um, when I was reading what they used to do down south and the way they used to campaign, holy cow used it just, it flat out blew my. Oh, I, okay. I'd love, love to talk about that maybe next time.

Mizzy M: 32:57

Yeah, definitely. Definitely. That seems like that would be a very interesting conversation piece too, so it's perfect. Alright, so we'll wait until the next time to do that. And um, once again, thank you so much for coming on, taking your time to share so much of this information and I really hope our listeners appreciate it. I'm sure they do and oh, I'm so glad to be here. So, All right then, Andrew. Thanks a lot. Bye. Take care. Bye-bye.

Andrew: 33:27

You too. Bye.