068 Just Two Good Old Boys

Ben and Gene discussed their preferences and experiences with online multiplayer games, issues with the Windows operating system, and their views on large corporations, free speech, and government involvement in protests. They also engaged in a wide-ranging conversation about the historical context of anti-Semitism, the complexities of reproduction, family life, and new technologies, as well as individual freedoms, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and the effectiveness of Russia's unconventional tactics in modern warfare. Lastly, they reviewed the current VP list, discussed the challenges of designing a new antenna for Ben's ham radio, and explored the potential of fully automatic machine guns entering the market.

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Gene 0:24

Hey, Ben, how are you today?

Ben 0:26

I'm doing alright, Gene. I thought you were gonna be the one late based off of what you did to Darren, and then the message I got from ya, you know, in the middle of the night.

Gene 0:35

Based on what I did to Darren, whatever do you mean?

Ben 0:38

I'm not showing up late, you know, all that. 30 minutes, geez. Heh

Gene 0:43

called daylight savings time.

Ben 0:47

That's ca That's called Gene shitposting and being online too long.

Gene 0:51

Huh. Uh

Ben 0:52

Hmm.

Gene 0:53

Oh, I'm here on time. I'm sitting here

Ben 0:55

what are you playing and are doing that's got you up late several nights in a row?

Gene 1:00

There's a tournament tournament going on,

Ben 1:04

In what game?

Gene 1:06

In Star Citizen.

Ben 1:09

Okay,

Gene 1:11

So there's there's kind of a round robin thing happening where the the Brits are online and then the Americans come in to take over the guarding of the galaxy, if you will. And and then the Australians get online. And, you know, we're all flying together and stuff. Some of us had a hard time falling asleep after a little bit of adrenaline pumping.

Ben 1:37

Okay, so Star Citizen does not exactly strike me as a game that's gonna get my adrenaline pumping But I don't know

Gene 1:45

No, you're, you're, you're right. I think average age is 50.

Ben 1:50

Gotcha.

Gene 1:52

Although I, I don't know, man. I think I think you'd be surprised at how the adrenaline can get pumping. The aside, the, the thing that it has that a lot of games don't have is a very strong. Not focused,

Ben 2:12

citizen contingent.

Gene 2:14

yeah, it's in your discount. No, it has a very strong possibility of failure due to brew. So it's a game that really wants you to be working together and punishes you if you don't. And so when you have a, a spaceship that is being piloted with seven people sitting in guns inside the spaceship. Like turrets, not

Ben 2:46

yeah, yeah. It's a teamwork thing. I gotcha.

Gene 2:48

It's,

Ben 2:48

These massive multiplayer online games I've never gotten into. Give me a deathmatch with a few people and I'd be interested. First person shooter, and I'm okay, but you know the these big

Gene 2:59

Yeah. I get

Ben 3:00

all doing all this. It's just never if I want to play a strategy game usually I want to play a Game where I have an independent chance of winning so what you're telling

Gene 3:13

Yes. I,

Ben 3:15

is this is I can play perfectly, but my team sucks. I'm, I'm screwed. I, I hate that. That's why I ran track in high school is because I liked being in the lane at me, nothing else, my teammates can't help me, nothing happens except me running. I like it. Individualism.

Gene 3:33

Yeah. Yeah. I, I get it. Psychopath. That totally makes sense. So

Ben 3:38

Psychopath.

Gene 3:40

I understand what you're thinking. And it's really hard for

Ben 3:43

Quit giving my wife a emoji.

Gene 3:46

It's really. It is hard for me as well for the exact same reason because my solution typically in games that require multiple People who win something, it's just to buy another account and then multi computer and then do it that way. Can't really do that in star citizen. I mean, I, I, like I was the pilot yesterday for a long time. And then there's another guy whose only job. Is to sit in third person view and then tell me which direction to turn. Basically call targets and steered the, tell me which way to steer the ship because we're in 3d, so it's more than just left and right. And then Five other guys that are all sitting inside of turrets and telling, you know, he's, he's in charge of telling him which target to focus on. So it's a very, it's by design, a very different type of gameplay than what I would typically be playing, which is. You're describing something that allows me to be the only a hundred percent in charge of my own gameplay. But that's also what makes it kind of fun. But I'll, I'll give you a huge negative of this. Imagine seven guys, probably with the average age of 50 and how long it takes you just to meet up. To start getting inside of the spaceship.

Ben 5:15

Yeah, the thing is and that's another thing that a lot of some well a lot of some a lot of these Large games you can spend a lot of time walking and or flying or doing whatever to get to your destination for a few minutes of ah and then you're done and that just

Gene 5:39

Or there was one, one point where we were did a best battle that we won, but the ship was like

Ben 5:46

You got blewed up you're damaged

Gene 5:48

Out

Ben 5:48

You had to get out of there? You had to go back to the repair

Gene 5:51

no, no, no, we killed everybody. But on the way back to the

Ben 5:54

you're not shot to shit too.

Gene 5:56

where we're totally shot to shit out of the, the five turrets three of them were dead, no more plank, plank because they were damaged. So the ship was pretty heavily damaged. So I'm coming in for, for the landing. I'm maybe like 10 ship lengths away from being docked and some asshole torpedoes us, blows the ship up because it's, you know, it's, it's real PVP. So that's, there's no safety. So you're you're may not,

Ben 6:30

it,

Gene 6:30

you may not intentionally be playing against other people, but

Ben 6:34

so it was blue on blue or what? Was this an allied group or

Gene 6:37

No, no, no. It's just some, some dude in a server just saw us limping back in with a bunch of damage and I just thought it'd be funny to blow us up. And then of course, immediately after that, he quit the server. Cause that's usually what the way it works

Ben 6:56

Yeah,

Gene 6:56

like, ha ha got them. Okay. I'm I better get out of here. Cause otherwise he was going to get seven guys chasing him down and blowing his ass up. And

Ben 7:05

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just, I There's, there's a point where a game tries to be too real that it just becomes a lot less enjoyable to me. So, it's a game after all.

Gene 7:21

Yeah. And then this is also why I was recommending cyberpunk to you. Cause I think that's a game you would enjoy because it's all on you.

Ben 7:31

Anyway, less about gaming. And,

Gene 7:34

gaming news every, every

Ben 7:36

we can stay on tech though. Fuck Windows, dude.

Gene 7:39

Okay. What's going on now?

Ben 7:40

I just, I have one Windows machine left that I deal with for this podcast. And, you know, I delay updates as much as possible. That's all

Gene 7:54

up, hold up. You telling me your work machine is Linux.

Ben 7:57

No, no, no, that's, but that's not my machine.

Gene 8:00

Oh, okay. Okay. So you're a machine you own. That's the last one that has windows.

Ben 8:06

Correct.

Gene 8:06

Okay.

Ben 8:08

And, anyway, it, it's fine, but, Look, I, I, I liked Windows. I liked Windows through Windows 7. Hell, I don't even think Windows 8 was as bad as everybody says because it actually brought in a lot of cool tech. It's just they changed the UI too drastically and people freaked out. It's fine. They tried something. Good for Microsoft. But Ever since Windows 7 and Windows now 10, Ever since Windows 7 has gone away, I'm still on 10,

Gene 8:40

Okay.

Ben 8:43

I have some Windows 11 VMs that I, just to keep up with some stuff but they're not actually used for anything, but, This, you know, you, I go away from this machine for a week, I come back. And, Microsoft's installed Copilot, for example, on my machine.

Gene 9:00

ha,

Ben 9:01

Thank you. I, I really don't want this. I, you know, I just, and the, you can harden Windows 10. You can disable a bunch of shit. But eventually Microsoft's going to release an update that's going to break out everything you've done, and you're going to have to redo it. And it's just that cycle over and over again that just, I'm done. I'm done with Windows.

Gene 9:47

Dude, every other time I reboot, it basically starts installing Windows 11. It says, oh, oh, did you not, did you not want that? Because we're, I mean, it's free, so I assume you want it, right?

Ben 10:00

Yeah, and, you know, Windows 11 actually isn't that bad, but it's not the last stable version of Windows, as far as I'm concerned, was Windows 7. Windows 10, it's pretty stable at this point, but whatever. Windows 11?

Gene 10:15

XP to 10 cause that I'm going by what, what is considered stable by gamers.

Ben 10:23

Alright, say that again?

Gene 10:25

So I went from XP to windows 10

Ben 10:29

You went from XP to 10? How long did you stay on XP? XP.

Gene 10:35

till after 10 was released.

Ben 10:38

Okay, so, anyway, XP was, Service Pack 3 was fantastic, but, regardless. The point is there's just some weird quirkiness in Windows 11, because they've rewritten a bunch of shit, they've got new engineers in there that don't understand the reasons why old things were done the way they were, there isn't an evolution that's going on, they're It's like when we went to Windows 7 and, you know, the ping of death came back because someone rewrote the TCP IP stack and all of a sudden, Hey, I can pre boot your computer for free. No they rewrote the TCP IP stuff quite a bit for Windows 7. And that's part of the reason why they introduced an error that was eliminated back in 1995. they

Gene 11:24

Right. Cause they copy pasted.

Ben 11:27

Or they just stumbled upon a very similar error is what it looks like from an outsider looking in at the time.

Gene 11:34

I mean, it could be, but when you replicate errors you start looking at the source code and you realize that, Oh, that's a copy and paste.

Ben 11:45

Okay whatever.

Gene 11:46

I,

Ben 11:47

to accuse Microsoft of

Gene 11:48

I'm, I will

Ben 11:49

TCPIP stack from Windows 95? Then fine. But I think they would have copied and pasted from a newer version.

Gene 11:58

Was hope, but

Ben 12:00

yeah. Anyway, regardless, there's just, I don't understand what Microsoft, with their monopoly power, with their position, what they're fucking doing. Just put out an operating system and iterate it. Make money off of office, make money off of corporate sales, make money off of OEM sales,

Gene 12:22

when they kind of are, I mean, the windows 11 upgrade, they're not even charging for it. So I don't understand why they're pushing me to do it anyway.

Ben 12:28

But they're pushing, and then they're not just sitting there iterating. They're trying to do some crazy innovative stuff, and da da da da da. No, that's not who you are. Stop.

Gene 12:41

And also when, when 10 came out, they said that this was going to be a windows version that will last a long time. And then they decided to do 11. Now I understand they're. Getting ready to roll out 12,

Ben 12:58

Yeah we'll see. I mean, the versioning number scheme and everything else the marketing department got a hold of a long time ago, And is really meaningless. 11 and 10 are very, very similar. You know, ever since NT and Windows really merged, the, you know, the commercial versus home versions of Windows, you know, all the major

Gene 13:29

but do you prefer the year number titles? Like I

Ben 13:32

yeah, I do actually. For the server platforms. And the server platforms, you know, you usually had the desktop release and then you had the server release and everything else, and you know, there, there's a place in time for Windows servers, don't get me wrong, like active directory, doing user management and stuff like that. Active directory is absolutely the right solution. Don't anyone tell me about running an LDAP forest. I, I don't want to hear it. Done it. No. Thank you. Active Directory has come a long way, and there's a reason why that is what is used in corporations. It's

Gene 14:06

I think there's a reason that marketing doesn't like year ones because each year it's harder to push your product as being innovative. It's you can only sell windows 2000 for five years. And then it's sort of like 2000. What we're

Ben 14:22

yeah, that's fine. In going away from names, To for instance, XP, right? XP is not a version number. Then we go to version numbers. You know, the origin we went to Vista. Everybody forgets Vista. And then we went to

Gene 14:38

Yeah. Let's not remind people.

Ben 14:41

The big problem I have is when they came out with Windows 7 that's not the 7th version of Windows. So, there's no way to count, logically, that gets you to 7. So it just doesn't make sense. In my mind, you know, if you go back to Windows 3, Windows 3. 1. 1 for work groups, all that, I'm fine with a version number like that, but make it consistent. And if you, you know, skipped around or whatever, and you want to say this is the 7th version of the desktop operating system, that's fine, except you can't count to there. So,

Gene 15:12

So we're in the 11th one right now.

Ben 15:15

except we're not.

Gene 15:17

No, that's, that's for sure. And

Ben 15:19

what happened to Windows 9, you know, it just, anyway, it bugs me. Haha.

Gene 15:26

anymore. You know, that what's his face Darren's other co host. Ungrumpy old Ben's,

Ben 15:33

huh.

Gene 15:33

Used to work for Microsoft for a long time.

Ben 15:36

Eh, good for him.

Gene 15:37

He hated it. I think he hated it while he was working there and he definitely hated it after leaving.

Ben 15:44

Yeah, I, I can't imagine

Gene 15:47

has a lot of stories about it. So he was a a software tester.

Ben 15:53

Mm hmm.

Gene 15:54

So he basically

Ben 15:56

He was running the fuzzing.

Gene 15:57

Yeah, he would write the scripts to try and crash the software and so I'm sure everybody there loved him and I think the attitude was mutual.

Ben 16:08

He had a target rich environment, so it's okay.

Gene 16:10

He did, he did, but you know, imagine being the guy that can actually see color in the world full of people that can't and then trying to explain to them the difference between fuchsia and purple.

Ben 16:24

Yeah. Oh it's it's all good. I've, I've known some people from the Seattle area and heard some very, very, and this is like it's pretty well known that Bill Gates was a major philanderer, but you know, when you talk to people who used to, you know, go to the same strip club, stuff like that. And the stories about some of the behavior is pretty, pretty interesting.

Gene 16:52

my favorite Bill Gates story, which I think it's kind of an urban legend, but it happened so long ago in the history of Microsoft that I, I think there's might be a ring of truth to it is when somebody saw Bill Gates in line at a 7 Eleven and he was like buying an ice cream or something, something innocuous, but when he came up, he was paying for it using coins.

Ben 17:22

Oh, counting him

Gene 17:23

trying to get the exact number and then until somebody behind them finally said, look, why don't I just give you a dollar and you just move on and get the hell out of here. And you would think there would be a lot of indignation. Nope, we took the dollar.

Ben 17:43

Yeah.

Gene 17:44

So that, that kind of encapsulates. Bill to me in a lot of ways.

Ben 17:50

Yeah, his attitude.

Gene 17:51

yeah, yeah. And I mean, the guy very successful, knew how to make money, built a huge company in a lot of ways based on other people's work, but nonetheless, he's the guy that got the contracts done. So you can't He can't say that he's a bad business man. He definitely knew what he was doing in that count. But not like he's not you know, in the same league as what's face Musk, but I'm, I'm thinking of the guy, I want the, one of the two Apple guys Steve

Ben 18:18

Jobs.

Gene 18:19

jobs. Yeah, exactly. Cause jobs both had vision and he had business acumen.

Ben 18:24

Yeah, but you gotta admit, so, Jobs would have been jack shit without Wozniak. And, Bill Gates.

Gene 18:32

I don't agree with that. I think that jobs would have always found the Wazniak.

Ben 18:37

Okay. Bill is his own Wozniak is the point though. He, he is a, while maybe not as polished because you have two personalities, you know, it's the jack of all trades, master of none, right? Methodology. He, he is encompassing both.

Gene 18:57

don't know about that.

Ben 18:58

Okay.

Gene 18:59

yeah, I mean, there was

Ben 19:01

You think Steve Ballmer was the technical talent?

Gene 19:03

a lot of ways, Balmer was there from college. You know, he was the, the guy that was there when Bill was in college, that when they first met up now, Balmer wasn't the techie in the way that the Wazniak was, but, but again, you know, Wazniak's really his, you know,

Ben 19:22

Jane. I hate Windows. Right

Gene 19:24

Yeah, that's why I'm surprised you're not using the Mac.

Ben 19:28

just, I can't bring myself to overpay for that hardware.

Gene 19:37

Overpaid, come on. The, the Mac Mini

Ben 19:40

a Hackintosh. I could do a Hackintosh.

Gene 19:43

You know, those end up being more expensive. I had a buddy that did one a few years back and it ended up being, in the end, the most expensive PC he'd ever built. Now in theory it was cheaper than the Mac, but here's the part that you got that, at least in his case, that he didn't figure that I think you have to figure if you build one is every time. There's a change to the OS, the amount of hours that he would have to spend get finding drivers,

Ben 20:15

yeah.

Gene 20:15

getting shit recompiled. It was just like. Is this really worth it dude? Is this worth the 500 savings that you end up with in the end? And I don't care, make it a 1000 savings. Doesn't matter, whatever it is. Is your time worth so little?

Ben 20:32

I mean, this is why we're just gonna have to go to something, something better.

Gene 20:36

You can, my only point is you can plug the Motu into into a Mac. You can't really do that with Linux and have it work.

Ben 20:45

Theoretically you can, but I haven't been able to figure it out. So.

Gene 20:49

Yeah and not to

Ben 20:50

And the Motu's not working right now anyway, so.

Gene 20:52

right, and that's what I was going to say, and not to say that Motu is like the only option you can possibly have. I mean, frankly, at this point, you don't have a Motu that's working, so it's not even an option.

Ben 21:04

Correct. I still have a support ticket open with them though, so. That's

Gene 21:08

Have they replied at all?

Ben 21:09

Yeah, they've replied back and forth,

Gene 21:12

Really?

Ben 21:12

Yeah, it's interesting.

Gene 21:14

And they still haven't offered to send you a new one?

Ben 21:17

No, no, they have not. Not yet.

Gene 21:20

Hmm.

Ben 21:21

We'll see. Need to push that a little bit more. Anyway, Gene

Gene 21:25

politics?

Ben 21:26

So we had some crackdowns come down on protestors. That looks like Abbott started a trend since the last time we talked.

Gene 21:35

Mm hmm. Are you still calling in protesters? I love it.

Ben 21:39

Some of them are, and some of them are just useful idiots. I get that, but you can't Dude. I am not saying that anyone should trash. An area. Not saying that at all. I'm not saying anyone should go in and break things. I'm not saying anyone should barricade themselves in a building. I think that's stupid. I think anytime there's violence, you should go and deal with that. But if a group of people want to show up on campus and block off an area for a few hours during the day and make their voices heard and then turn around and leave, not in camp, that's fine.

Gene 22:18

Yeah, that doesn't exist though. That's the thing. That's what's so funny to me is you call these people protesters. What you're describing is completely not what exists on any campus.

Ben 22:27

I've, I've been part of groups that have done things, so I will just say,

Gene 22:32

And did you get beat up by the cops?

Ben 22:34

I got a lot of shit from the cops. Got told to go into the free speech zone area over here. This is where you can do it, which was useless because it was way off the beaten path and not where it's gonna matter at all, which is why they put it

Gene 22:47

So I think you're placing your experience. Into what these guys are doing with a totally different experience and feeling some kind of empathy for him.

Ben 22:57

I'm not feeling empathy, I'm just a free speech absolutist.

Gene 23:01

So am I, but your free

Ben 23:03

No, no, no, no. You're, you're not a free speech absolutist.

Gene 23:06

Oh, absolutely. Absolutely I am.

Ben 23:12

Do I have the right to inconvenience you as part of a protest?

Gene 23:16

Your free speech ends where my rights begin.

Ben 23:18

I Everybody's rights end where the other persons begins, but that's not the question. I have a right to stand in the middle of the sidewalk and say, yep, I wanna stand here. Is it against your rights to say, I'm not moving, you have to go around me. Okay, no, no, no. Would you say that you would use the force of law, let's say I'm blocking the sidewalk. No protest, no nothing. I'm just blocking the sidewalk because I decided to lay out on it. And your options are to walk around me or use the force of the state to move me

Gene 23:51

Is, is, and your option is to not get kicked in the process. Are you going to avoid somebody stepping on you or not? Cause that's totally up to you.

Ben 24:02

You're missing the

Gene 24:04

No, you're missing the point. My point is you're trying to come up with a way to justify an outlier, an outlier situation that isn't happening. And my point is, if you want to call a protest. What you're describing right now, and I'm with you, I like, I, to me, that's like a legitimate protest to me, you say protest, I think of a Gandhi style protest, which is nonviolent and basically just trying to have a message that you are either verbally saying, or you're wearing on the shirt or something, or you're holding up a sign, even That doesn't extend to then, Hey, let's go block the the path of cars on the golden gate bridge. Cause Hey, we're holding up signs. So fuck off. We're protesting and no cars get by us. Yeah. They should all have been arrested being quote unquote on the right side.

Ben 25:02

Yeah, Gene Gene, here's the difference between you and I. You are far more ready and eager to use the state than I am.

Gene 25:13

Absolutely.

Ben 25:14

Yeah,

Gene 25:15

I don't, I don't disagree with that at all. I

Ben 25:17

the the state is the last resort. It is the bastion of tyrants. It is the use of force.

Gene 25:25

always going to be a bastion of tyrants. If you just run away from it all the time, the whole point of the state is it's something that speaks for the people. And

Ben 25:34

But it doesn't.

Gene 25:35

want to, it doesn't because you're not attempting to have it speak for you.

Ben 25:40

Oh, please.

Gene 25:41

It's like the guy that never

Ben 25:42

you know what I did yesterday? Hey, you know what I did yesterday?

Gene 25:46

What'd you do? You volunteered somewhere.

Ben 25:48

No, no, no. I went and voted.

Gene 25:50

There you go.

Ben 25:51

You know why I voted yesterday?

Gene 25:53

Why?

Ben 25:54

Because it's a non partisan, county based bullshit election that is held way off cycle just so that no one goes and votes. It's manipulated bullshit. But I went and voted to vote against additional bonds and everything else the school district's trying to add on. Over 60 million they're trying to add on.

Gene 26:18

Good. Exactly. See, that's what you ought to be doing. It's perfect.

Ben 26:21

Right, right, right. But I'm just saying, I participate in the poli the body politic to a degree that m the vast, vast majority of people do not.

Gene 26:31

Yeah. So, if you vote for Brandon Herrera, I don't,

Ben 26:35

if I voted for Brandon Herrera, I'd be committing fraud.

Gene 26:38

Right. Right. I'm just saying, if you lived in the district and you voted for him, would your attitude be, after voting for him, to never interact with him and never try and utilize the guy that you helped put in office? Yes. To actually get something you want done.

Ben 26:55

No, I'd lobby Congress. I I have lobbied Congress since I was, like, five years old, dude.

Gene 27:01

Oh, so you actually use government.

Ben 27:03

No.

Gene 27:04

That's what lobbying is. It's trying to get government to do what you want them to do.

Ben 27:08

That's not using government. I

Gene 27:10

lobbying is.

Ben 27:11

No, what I'm more referring to is Ah, someone's blocking my way, let me call the cops! Instead of dealing with the situation yourself or finding an alternative.

Gene 27:22

I would much rather the cops be doing something that somebody called them for, then sitting on the side of the road, looking for innocent people to arrest.

Ben 27:32

Yeah, that or, you

Gene 27:33

But if

Ben 27:34

wearing body cams when they go into an airport

Gene 27:36

by the hour, right? So they're going to be doing something for that entire eight hour block of time. Yeah. I'd sooner point them in the direction of people are breaking laws than having them sit there and try and invent laws that people are breaking.

Ben 27:56

Okay,

Gene 27:57

I think, right, think about it, during these quote unquote riots that we're having where there's massive, in almost every state, massive amount of cops trying to break up the BLM

Ben 28:07

know what would be a better solution

Gene 28:09

me finish the thought, let me finish the thought. I'd much rather have them be doing this. Just imagine how many speeding tickets weren't giving out. Imagine how many people weren't stopped to check on their alcohol level during this time.

Ben 28:24

You know what would be a better solution to all of this?

Gene 28:27

Rid of all the cops. I know.

Ben 28:30

The cops and the universities. No publicly funded universities at all.

Gene 28:35

Yeah. This isn't just limited to publicly funded ones.

Ben 28:38

Show me a private one that's having this issue.

Gene 28:40

There was a couple of them. I can certainly afford you some. I mean, the, the big universities are obviously public and then they're the ones that have the most students trying to create trouble. It's not it's not, I don't think it's a problem of just public universities.

Ben 28:57

Other than like Harvard, which is, you know,

Gene 29:01

Hmm.

Ben 29:01

animal. But for instance, Baylor is not seeing the protests that Texas was. But at the same token, nor is A& M seeing the same protests that

Gene 29:11

I was going to say if Baylor was in Austin, they might be,

Ben 29:16

I don't know about that. I think it's just the nature of the students who attend the universities. Both A& M and Baylor are way more conservative than UT. By far. You know, it's a bunch of farmers and Baptists. That's what those two universities are.

Gene 29:33

yeah, but it's the teachers that get employed there that I think create the flavor. Cause I don't

Ben 29:39

Yeah, and you know, here's the thing. There's been some turnover in the faculty at A& M over the years that has You know, one of the worst things that we had when Bob Gates was president of the university was really vision 2020 that he started back in the day and really wanting to move A& M away from its roots towards, you know, a more progressive and normal university. And it's been successful. And now that the agenda has been. Move to also 2030, which I just find the correspondence in numbers between that and some other documents to be really interesting. So

Gene 30:25

you and I expand on that.

Ben 30:27

Gates had his, you know, vision 2020 versus the UN agenda 2020 and 2030, right? So his vision for the university timeline corresponds

Gene 30:40

came from somewhere else.

Ben 30:42

huh? Yeah, I

Gene 30:43

came elsewhere.

Ben 30:44

I, I just, I don't know, it just, it's probably just a coincidence, but it's just one of those things that, Huh, both of these want to do radical transformations to different systems. Okay, interesting. And knowing his background, so, yeah. Anyway.

Gene 31:02

That's surprising. I thought you were mostly going to talk when I said, what do you got in politics? I thought you were going to mention about Joe Biden taking a dump. Hmm. Hmm.

Ben 31:08

Oh god, that was funny. Oh my god, you, you saw that.

Gene 31:12

Hmm.

Ben 31:13

Yeah, so he's walking to the helicopter, I guess, and the way he walks the best caption I saw on on the internet was, anyone who has, who has had toddlers knows this look, and it's yes, yes I do. You know.

Gene 31:29

Yeah, it's cause he's basically, you know, he's got his slow paced walk and he's taking a step and all of a sudden

Ben 31:34

He, he cans his legs wide,

Gene 31:36

yeah, yeah, it's, he kind of like steps wider and then bends his knees a little bit while he's still standing and he's wearing a suit and the best thing was his wife. If you're watching her,

Ben 31:47

Huh.

Gene 31:48

she was walking probably about five feet at a side. And when he did that little move, she turns away from him and gets to about 10 feet away. Like she could smell it

Ben 32:02

Yeah. Huh.

Gene 32:03

shit in here that doesn't exist. Get it shit, but it sure looked like it

Ben 32:09

Oh yeah,

Gene 32:09

and God bless old people who can't control their bowels, but they just shouldn't be president.

Ben 32:16

If you're incontinent, you're probably incompetent. I would agree.

Gene 32:21

Yeah. Through no fault of your own. It's just age related shit. But still, I think that it is insane how there are still people out there without a sarcastic smile on their face saying Joe Biden is the best candidate. In this coming election

Ben 32:38

did you see the Trump ad that he put out?

Gene 32:42

there's been a lot of good Trump ads. Which one do you mean?

Ben 32:44

The one Don jr posted that YouTube wouldn't post for them because they found it to be disingenuous or whatever,

Gene 32:52

I probably didn't, didn't see it then.

Ben 32:54

So it's a, it's a, someone sitting in the Biden campaign office making phone calls for Biden, you know, wanting to make sure of your vote. And anyway, the guy's no, I, the inflation's this, inflation's that, I'm not voting for him. But Biden's doing a great thing for, you know, paying rent for illegals. Wait, what? And you know, starts telling the guy things that he didn't know that Biden was doing. So can we vote, count on your vote for Biden? Basically, fuck you. No, you know, right? It's anyway, it was a very effective ad in my mind.

Gene 33:31

That sounds pretty good. I, I remember shortly after the last election, when you go to a gas station and you start seeing the Joe Biden stickers. Pointing at the price of gas

Ben 33:45

Yep, I did that.

Gene 33:46

I did this. Yeah, that was a brilliant idea. Whoever came up with that.

Ben 33:52

Yeah, so the other thing was the resolution that was passed in Congress on anti semitism.

Gene 33:59

Yeah

Ben 34:00

Yeah.

Gene 34:01

thing.

Ben 34:03

Yes, it is. The bill that was passed is absolutely abhorrent.

Gene 34:10

It's it's virtue signaling. There's no other way to describe it

Ben 34:13

No, it's abhorrent because it doesn't even give a definition of anti semitism. It actually links to an online source from an outside group that could change it at any moment, and it's absolute bullshit that our legislature would ever do something like

Gene 34:26

this is where somebody was too lazy to do a copy paste.

Ben 34:32

Or they didn't think they could get agreement enough by putting egregious things in. So one of the things that, you know, One of the things the group that they linked to has said, and the video you sent tried to debunk it, but they're missing the fucking point people are making, is, for instance, you can't say that Jews killed Jesus.

Gene 34:54

right.

Ben 34:55

Sorry. You know, I don't have any malice, I don't get angry about it, but Jews killed Jesus.

Gene 35:04

Jesus was a Jew I don't see how that makes any difference to anybody Like, how does saying that somehow anti Semitic?

Ben 35:11

But according to the group, it is.

Gene 35:13

Yeah, and that's, that's what's so stupid is okay, let's say they want to use that definition. Copy, paste,

Ben 35:21

edit.

Gene 35:23

change the wording, done. No, they, they're too lazy to do that, so all they say is, Hey, these guys have some kind of standing with being a non profit for Jews, let's just use their definition. But let's not copy and paste, let's just say, Whatever their definition is,

Ben 35:40

That's fine

Gene 35:40

use it. It's just stupid, man. This is,

Ben 35:43

only will Congress devolve their authority and responsibilities to agencies in an unconstitutional manner. They'll do it to NGOs as

Gene 35:53

total non government organization. Exactly right. Absolutely.

Ben 35:57

anyone who voted for that needs to get roasted. And they need to get roasted hard for this reason alone. I don't care if you agree with the bill or whatever. But what the, the process in which you were going about A, passing this, and then B the language that's used in it to outsource to literal non governmental entities is unacceptable. It's an unacceptable delegation of your authority that you've been entrusted with and you should be removed from office.

Gene 36:31

Yeah. It's like saying you know, we're the definition of firearms fit for purpose. She'll be provided by the NRA. I was like, what, you can't do that. You're going to have a law. You have to have it in the law. You can't just point to somebody and say they're in charge of definitions in here.

Ben 36:51

So there are precedents. Where federal agencies have devolved power to industry groups, right? A perfect example of this is in the power industry. FERC, you know, granted, they're the actual regulatory body. But they've granted NERC the ability to write the regulations and then FERC approves them. And NERC is a non governmental entity. It's a

Gene 37:22

incidentally is my same exact argument. Lazy fuckers.

Ben 37:26

Yes, I completely agree. And it's a fucked up regulatory system in my mind.

Gene 37:34

I actually wrote way many, many years ago. I wrote some language,

Ben 37:39

Huh.

Gene 37:39

For FERC that ended up becoming a regulation, literally verbatim. Of what I wrote, which I had no idea was going to be used in a regulation and, and don't ask me what it was. It's been too damn long. I can't remember what it is, but I remember they were the ones that were, we were contracted by.

Ben 37:59

I actually expected a little bit more disagreement on the anti semitism bill, so it kind of shocks me.

Gene 38:06

That's a stupid bill.

Ben 38:08

Yeah. Because we disagree on the definition of semitic,

Gene 38:12

what you keep thinking, we don't disagree. You're just incorrect about it. It's

Ben 38:16

No, I'm

Gene 38:19

on roots, it ought to mean this. It doesn't mean that because the word. Literally was created by a guy who meant exactly what it means today, a dislike of Jews,

Ben 38:31

Mm hmm.

Gene 38:32

and he was German instantly. Surprise. Surprise.

Ben 38:35

yeah, yeah,

Gene 38:35

and this was back in the 18 hundreds,

Ben 38:37

So, anyway.

Gene 38:39

I believe.

Ben 38:40

Yeah. Again, I will just say, if you go, if you walk around everywhere smelling shit, you ought to check your shoes. So.

Gene 38:51

I mean, there's a lot of truth to that, but there's a, a good website out there that, that lists all the different pokes and different shit that Jews have been. kicked out of or fought against for the last two and a half thousand years.

Ben 39:10

Mm hmm.

Gene 39:12

Jew left.

Ben 39:14

See my previous comment.

Gene 39:16

Exactly. No, I, I think that's totally the case. It's that's why it's ridiculous to deny that there is a much greater dislike of Jews than any other people out there.

Ben 39:28

Yes, but why?

Gene 39:31

We don't talk about why we're just saying it exists.

Ben 39:35

Yes, but why? Anyway

Gene 39:38

your Jesus clearly.

Ben 39:39

no, that's this is not something that drives me to any sort of anger. It was just part of what had to happen.

Gene 39:46

See, that's interesting, because that's, I, that would be my take on the matter. It's like, how are you blaming Jews for something that needed to happen in the heaven for him to even serve his purpose? How, how is that the Jews fault?

Ben 40:00

Because you have free will and it's not

Gene 40:02

Wouldn't have, wouldn't have been the exact, so how, explain how Jesus works to me if, if in an alternate timeline, The Jew said, no, release Jesus, we say, and leave the other two dudes to die, he doesn't get to be reborn, and he is no longer a major religious figure. Is that better?

Ben 40:23

First of all I don't see a scenario where that actually happens. So even if you believe in multiple timeline theories, okay, fine, but you know, and you could even go to the extreme of anything that can happen has to happen, sure. But the, the reality is when you look at the temptation of Christ, when you look at the, what had to happen

Gene 40:48

That was a great movie, by the way, anyone who hasn't seen it, The Last Temptation of Christ.

Ben 40:54

Okay, I was actually referring to, you know, him, desert, tempting by the devil, so on,

Gene 41:00

Huh.

Ben 41:00

Or Satan. You know, we use these colloquial terms like hell and the

Gene 41:07

yeah. Mm hmm.

Ben 41:10

people very much don't understand how much Dante has influenced their views of the

Gene 41:16

Mm hmm.

Ben 41:17

But regardless. I think that there, I don't know that I would use to say the term predestination, but I think what would have had to have happened was, even if the Jews had said, give us Christ, or give us Jesus instead of Barabbas the Romans or somebody, something would have happened for him to end up in a similar martyrdom scenario. It may not have been the exact same, but it would have happened at some point. That or he would have lived a perfect life and that would have been his his sacrament as well. So it really doesn't matter. The whole point is a, a human living without sin as the perfect sacrificial lamb to absolve the sins of others. So

Gene 42:09

Yeah, but no religion would have been started around that time.

Ben 42:14

now

Gene 42:16

Hey, check out this

Ben 42:17

go to that timeline.

Gene 42:19

this old dude with a wife and kids who's been living a perfect life.

Ben 42:24

maybe wife, maybe not.

Gene 42:27

Wait, so you think a perfect life excludes a female? Is that your contention here?

Ben 42:32

As I get older, I'm kind of starting to. Yes. Oh,

Gene 42:43

yeah.

Ben 42:45

yeah, no, no, I, you know, part of me is watching the advancement of technology and going, you know what? Sexbots and AI might not be all bad. I've already reproduced, I'm good.

Gene 42:58

Huh. You did your part.

Ben 43:02

Now for all you virgins out there, this is probably not a good direction to go.

Gene 43:06

Oh, I've got, I've got my buddy with 10 kids that has my designated reproduction for me

Ben 43:13

Here, you can have my allotment, there you go.

Gene 43:15

now. And then he said that I'm just making up for all your slackers. I'm like, Hey, more power to you.

Ben 43:21

I certainly would love to have more kids, but, you know. Takes takes two.

Gene 43:28

In Saudi Arabia, it might even take three or four.

Ben 43:32

Yeah.

Gene 43:34

on the number of wives in Islam. You know, And as all of these Palestinian protesters are telling us, that's the better way. So

Ben 43:43

I mean, but here's the thing, Gene. I don't, it, it depends on, I cannot imagine anyone wanting more than one western wife.

Gene 43:56

can imagine that. I just don't think that would be practical for them. But have you now?

Ben 44:00

imagine all, the, the way western women have devolved and where we're at today in reality and they're just

Gene 44:08

you may be too young for this, for watching it, but there was a great TV show on HBO called big love.

Ben 44:16

Okay,

Gene 44:17

Have you heard of it at

Ben 44:18

I I've seen it. I just I I've seen it on HBO. I have not watched it.

Gene 44:22

Okay, it is. I really thought it was great. I enjoyed watching it I watched the whole thing every season when it was on Because it starts off with this Very successful dude. Who's basically got like a home depot style business that's local to Utah. He's got multiple stores. He's clearly doing very well financially. He's running a business self made man. And then, you know, he comes home, kisses the wife, got the kids running around in the background. And then he walks into the neighbor's house and kisses. That woman and he's got plays with the kids and then he walks into a third house and he does the same thing and he realized by the end of the first episode, Oh, those are all his wives.

Ben 45:05

Yeah.

Gene 45:06

And it's ah, damn, this guy got to figure it out. And then about not even a full season in, but like half a season, you're like, holy shit, I did not want this guy's life.

Ben 45:14

No.

Gene 45:15

That is a lot of juggling. And I don't mean in a fun way to have to deal with, because, you know, it's not like the wives don't talk to each other. They gang up on them. They've, they figure out what they want, including the order of him in which bed he's sleeping each night. And you know, like all this shit's being done in the background behind him. And it, it kind of like the show weeds in a lot of ways. It was a show that. Somewhat more predicts modern attitudes. Cause really like polyamory is way more common today than it was 20 years ago when the show came out 15 years ago. That was 20 years. Yeah. I think it did come out 20 years ago. Come think of it. So it is a much more common situation where you've got multiple people all in one relationship, but nonetheless, I think they did a very good job with it and they kind of dig into the whole dirty. Little secrets of Mormonism that everybody would like to just sweep under the rug.

Ben 46:20

Yeah the the the LDS Church would say that that's not condoned behavior

Gene 46:25

Oh, no, they say that right in there. It's just there's a whole bunch of people that are not part of LDS that left the LDS for that reason.

Ben 46:33

Let me just say this. I grew up reading Mm hmm. You know, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, for example.

Gene 46:40

Mm hmm.

Ben 46:41

I grew up reading a lot of books, a lot of Heinlein, a lot of Rand, a lot of different things. Polyamory or a, you know, A couple, a, a, a relationship involving multiple partners and so on. Not for me. You know, if, if someone else wants to go do that, then that's fine. What do you mean? Oh, really?

Gene 47:06

I don't know, Ben. I just think that a lot of people just Kind of say that, but deep down they're like, hmm, this would be fun,

Ben 47:15

No, no, no. Because, and here's the other thing is I think a lot of people in the commonality of it today is about sex, not actually a relationship. And that becomes problematic in the. In the long term. I think a lot of people right now are playing around with polyamory in ways that will be damaging to them and relationships and end in heartbreak. Because it's all based off of sex instead of an actual meaningful relationship.

Gene 47:46

But even if it is a relationship, I mean like you mentioned Anne Rand. Anne Rand had a public affair

Ben 47:53

hmm.

Gene 47:54

with her Biggest don't know what we would call him, a disciple for lack of a better term and when he ended it with her, he was banished. Like clearly she's still a chick running on emotions. He was essentially kicked out of his leadership positions in objectivism

Ben 48:14

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Again,

Gene 48:16

and he was 20 years her junior.

Ben 48:20

yeah, okay again I, I think that relationships are complicated enough That making it work between two people is nigh on an impossibility in a lot of ways. Why would you want to introduce more crap to it? And I have no objections that

Gene 48:38

it's ego,

Ben 48:39

want to do it, but Yeah, yeah, and here's the thing. I am not one of these weepy Christians that thinks, Oh, how evil is that? And, you know, this is that and that. Just because I don't want to do it or I think there's some moral objections that I have to, whatever it is, if it's between consenting adults and y'all want to do it over there, it has nothing to do with me.

Gene 49:00

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's that's

Ben 49:04

You know, and here's, here's the problem I have when I run into and I've gotta tell you about something off air at some point in time, but when I run into activists, journalists, and SJWs and then they talk about their their, their gay daughter in New Mexico, and this, that, and the other, and, you know, expect everybody just to fawn over them, here's the thing, I don't, I don't care about that, I don't, you go do whatever you wanna do. What do you think about this? Don't ask me if you don't want to know the answer. I can sit there and say, Hey, I don't care about gay marriage. I'll go get married, I'll go do whatever. Okay, so you think it's right? You think we're good for each other and this is right? No. I don't. But that's not my My opinion shouldn't matter to you. Why does it? And the problem with the left is that

Gene 50:00

me Ben doesn't matter to all of us.

Ben 50:02

They seek validation, is my entire point

Gene 50:05

Yeah. Yeah.

Ben 50:06

It's not enough to just leave people alone and say, Hey, y'all have the right to do whatever you want. You can do whatever you want. Just don't expect me to say that it's right, okay, and so on. Hater, hate monger, asshole, whatever. No, no, I'm allowed to have my opinion just like you're allowed to have yours.

Gene 50:27

You're just a pedophobe

Ben 50:29

The pedophile. God damn it, Gene. Oh, yeah, anyway, it's just, it's and I see very similarities to the stuff going on with Israel, right? If you do not endorse what Israel is doing, you're anti semitic by a lot of people. And it's I don't care what Israel's doing. That has no bearing on me. I care that my government is sending them money and doing shit with them.

Gene 51:00

It

Ben 51:00

But other than that, Israel can, Israel can go nuke Gaza for all I care. I don't care. It does not affect me. But if, if you

Gene 51:09

careful. You'll lose your keffiyeh privilege

Ben 51:13

Keffiyeh? What is Keffiyeh?

Gene 51:17

but the scarf

Ben 51:20

Oh I thought there was some Jewish thing, not,

Gene 51:23

no, no, it's a Palestinian thing. Not that there's such a place. There's no such place. But yes You Yeah, I don't know why we keep having issues with these non countries getting into conflicts. Ukraine,

Ben 51:36

Ukraine is totally a country.

Gene 51:38

neither one is a country. It's just ridiculous. They don't exist.

Ben 51:42

So, you know what I find really funny, since you brought up Ukraine?

Gene 51:46

Mm.

Ben 51:47

So, Russia's going through, and everybody's making fun of them for these turtle tanks that they're using actually pretty effectively to get through some of the drones and to push stuff forward.

Gene 51:57

Mm hmm.

Ben 51:57

And they're making fun of them, and I'm like it's a solution to an interesting problem. But And Zehan's brought it up. A lot of people have brought up a lot, lots of different things here. But no one wants to acknowledge Hey, what about the captured Abrams that are sitting in Moscow right now?

Gene 52:14

Mm hmm. Mm hmm.

Ben 52:15

Why aren't we talking about that? Oh, and granted it's a neutered

Gene 52:20

Tigers, there's all kinds of shit there.

Ben 52:22

Yeah. And here's the thing. Number one, it's an older weapon system and it's a neutered weapon system. And it doesn't have the support. But even, even if the US military was fighting there, you're going to lose a couple of tanks, stuff's going to get captured. It goes back and forth. That's the nature of war.

Gene 52:40

Mm hmm.

Ben 52:40

But we're trying to act like our technology is so superior that, oh, it's just the game changer. Oh, I mean, it's definitely caused problems for Russia, but I don't know that I would call it that.

Gene 52:55

Yeah, I think the whole idea of drones for everybody is a game changer because

Ben 53:03

Yeah, it's new warfare.

Gene 53:04

a much cheaper way to conduct warfare and well than what we've seen in the past. I can hear you flipping pages or something, what are you doing?

Ben 53:15

Needing to set up a sound gate, apparently.

Gene 53:18

Yeah, definitely. Yeah. So I, I think that as much as militaries on any side can pretend like they saw what's happening now coming and they're fully capable of dealing with it. The reality is Russia lost a number of warships because nobody had planned on the possibility of unmanned drones coming and blowing them up.

Ben 53:45

Yeah, everybody fights the last war. Until it's in there and it really comes down to who can innovate faster and who can, you know, go down the road.

Gene 53:54

or have a more flexible system from the last war that you can quicker adapt than your enemy.

Ben 54:00

Correct.

Gene 54:01

It's yeah, it's why I still think it's hilarious that there's a lot of countries right now that have uniforms that are sand colored. Because everybody's just assuming that all future wars will take place in the sand.

Ben 54:16

I mean, there's multiple patterns there, but, you know, the U. S. does not have just sand colored. We have lots of uniforms.

Gene 54:24

Yeah, I'm not, I wasn't referring to the U. S. We do have a lot of

Ben 54:27

who are you referring to? Yeah.

Gene 54:29

Oh, no, no, there's a lot of European commands that you look at them. It's like, why the fuck does Germany have a sand colored uniform?

Ben 54:35

Oh, but

Gene 54:35

they're going to be

Ben 54:36

they don't just have sand colored uniforms, they've got fleck and tarn.

Gene 54:40

them? I don't know,

Ben 54:41

looked at the fleck and tarn pattern? It's actually pretty

Gene 54:44

is it? No, I don't. I'm, I'm

Ben 54:46

There's actually some there's actually some really, both French and German uniforms have got some pretty innovative camo patterns that are pretty neat, in a lot of ways.

Gene 54:58

what? Did somebody get the money and start paying for mossy oak

Ben 55:03

No, it's just NATO stuff. But that's the other thing is, if you have good mossy oak in the area for, that's

Gene 55:12

in the appropriate forest? Yeah, exactly. You can't see. Yeah, you

Ben 55:15

I don't know if you can't see it, but it's, it's better than anything the military has.

Gene 55:19

Absolutely, that's why, that's why I said, when they finally get the money to buy Moser. Yeah, although it can be treated, you know, you

Ben 55:26

Ah, tree, yeah, I have

Gene 55:30

than washing it in a brightener

Ben 55:33

Oh yeah,

Gene 55:34

and how many, how many camos I guarantee you have been washed in, you know, brightener for with, with color guard

Ben 55:42

oh yeah

Gene 55:43

people that think that how's that going to make it worse? It looks cleaner.

Ben 55:48

yeah, and that's the other thing is, get shit dirty, and leave it dirty,

Gene 55:53

exactly. I'm camo myself. I, I, ever since it came out, I've always thought it looked really good.

Ben 56:00

yeah, but it's just not effective.

Gene 56:02

fine. I'm just saying purely by a, is it a good looking uniform?

Ben 56:08

look, look at Fleckentarn,

Gene 56:10

Okay. I'll check it out.

Ben 56:11

Google it real quick, but Okay, I don't know what to tell ya I, I almost painted a gun this.

Gene 56:18

Oh, I've seen this one. Yeah. Yeah, that's actually very similar to what Rush is using too.

Ben 56:22

Yeah, it's kind of a digital ish camo, but it's not really, and it's, it's, it's, it's kind of like a micro a micro

Gene 56:32

if you take like a normal US multicam and shrink it down to where the dots are much much smaller You get more of the broken up kind of pattern. Yeah. No, that's alright. I I still like digital camo better And I, it's the only uniform that I currently own is Digital Desert.

Ben 56:52

Yeah, no comment, and why do you own that?

Gene 56:55

You know, Collector, Collector.

Ben 56:57

Uh huh, huh. I don't think you're gonna be able to pose as any sort of

Gene 57:03

I, I don't think I can fit in it anymore.

Ben 57:06

mean Oh, Jesus.

Gene 57:08

In fact, I'm pretty sure of that.

Ben 57:10

Hey did you watch the new episodes of Diddly Squat?

Gene 57:14

no.

Ben 57:16

Oh, okay. Clarkson's Farm,

Gene 57:17

Yeah, yeah,

Ben 57:18

are out, yeah.

Gene 57:19

Okay, I'll have to check it out. I, I have a very mixed feeling about watching that show. On the one hand, it's very entertaining.

Ben 57:27

Huh.

Gene 57:27

the other hand, it gets my blood pressure up.

Ben 57:30

Because the government

Gene 57:31

Because the government is next level awful. And it's not even like the country government, it's the local little government that you would think should be really good.

Ben 57:41

And this is exactly why everyone should watch it and realize what is happening across the globe.

Gene 57:48

it is, it is a bunch of, you imagine a bunch of people whose only goal in life is to make it worse for their neighbor and that's who their government is. It's Oh my God, how, how has somebody not gotten shot? That's right. They banned all guns.

Ben 58:05

I mean, so Couple things here. One, they are absolutely acting abhorrently, but the problem is they see Jeremy as this, it's, it's, it's like when I moved to Idaho as a kid and I remember going in to talk to one of the neighbors and this old man and you know he's an old timer and he didn't really like newcomers coming in to the area and. He said, you know, we got snakes. And my dad and I just kind of started laughing because, you know, we're from Southeast fucking Texas. No, Idaho does not have snakes in

Gene 58:45

Not, not compared to that. No,

Ben 58:48

So anyway, you know, but it's just that same attitude of, and people up there warmed up to us and got to know us, but Jeremy's got a big personality and him doing the TV show and everything else. There's a lot of people who. really don't like that. They, they like their old sleepy way of things. They're bringing in traffic. They're doing all this and it's a bunch of people who don't care about the economy because they've got enough money and they're gonna be mad about it, you know?

Gene 59:15

but that's the thing is like a lot of their laws, fuck the farmer. I don't understand how that's a good thing.

Ben 59:23

Again, because they're worried about the impact to their lives not generating revenue.

Gene 59:29

Yeah. There are a bunch of people who are they are total Karen's, but beyond that, it really makes me wonder. Maybe there's a reason that the Britain still has a royalty because they're acting like a bunch of serfs.

Ben 59:45

Okay.

Gene 59:47

Like they need somebody that actually can think to make laws for them. Because if you let them make laws, this is what you end up with.

Ben 59:54

I mean, it's at the point where he's talking about selling it.

Gene 59:58

Is it really? Don't tell me spoilers. Jesus Christ, man.

Ben 1:00:01

It's not on the show, it's in articles that have been going around.

Gene 1:00:05

haven't been reading those. Don't spoil that for me either.

Ben 1:00:08

Ah, Jesus Christ, it hurts.

Gene 1:00:10

I like his his helper dude. He's funny. He's funny.

Ben 1:00:13

Caleb, yeah. The fetus!

Gene 1:00:16

that guy is going to have a lot more of a public view of him for the rest of his life. I don't know if he realized that when he took up that job.

Ben 1:00:26

No, I don't think so. I don't know. Started looking for a vehicle, by the way.

Gene 1:00:32

Oh, really? Your truck ready for replacement?

Ben 1:00:35

Yeah, it's getting there. I'm not a high maintenance person when it comes to vehicles. You know, I've been driving the same vehicle since 2013. I bought this vehicle new, I've driven it. It's, it's about time, and

Gene 1:00:48

high maintenance is like the last thing that comes to my mind when it comes to you.

Ben 1:00:52

No, I'm, I'm not. I'm saying I'm not

Gene 1:00:54

I know

Ben 1:00:55

I don't need a lot of shit.

Gene 1:00:57

no, you're pretty self sufficient that way. Yeah.

Ben 1:01:00

why are you sending me Fleck and Tarn photos?

Gene 1:01:02

I'm saying I'd like this on my gun, please.

Ben 1:01:07

Jesus Christ. Okay. Yeah, it, no, you just gotta get the stencil and,

Gene 1:01:16

Mm hmm.

Ben 1:01:17

I'll show you how we can

Gene 1:01:19

Probably do this on Photoshop, just using the randomizer

Ben 1:01:23

Yeah, yeah, no, no, no.

Gene 1:01:24

different colors.

Ben 1:01:25

Go to freedomstencils. com. So, Freedom Stencils and doing their spray paint method, if you want to actually match something like this, is the way to do it.

Gene 1:01:35

Gotcha.

Ben 1:01:37

After having played with this. So, you can get flake and tarn stencils from them. And it's just a matter of putting it on, spray, putting it on, spray, putting it on, spray, peel them off.

Gene 1:01:48

Mm hmm. Yep.

Ben 1:01:50

Shit, I forgot where I was going. Anyway, the, the market is still crazy though.

Gene 1:01:54

yeah, we're talking about Jeremy's farm, Clarkson's farm

Ben 1:01:59

I was changing subjects,

Gene 1:02:00

you were? Okay. Go ahead. Change away.

Ben 1:02:04

No, no, I, I will let you watch Jeremy Clarkson's Farm. It's

Gene 1:02:07

Yeah, I definitely want to check that out. And

Ben 1:02:09

I don't watch a ton of TV, but

Gene 1:02:11

Was there another season of Orville that I missed? Because I saw some clips and I was like, I don't recognize this.

Ben 1:02:18

They are coming out with a season, supposedly they're coming out with a season three years later.

Gene 1:02:25

Oh, okay. After the war.

Ben 1:02:28

No, no, no, like it's been three years since last season and they're coming out with a

Gene 1:02:31

Oh they took three years between the first and second.

Ben 1:02:34

Mmm, I think they only took a year, but sure.

Gene 1:02:38

It was not during COVID.

Ben 1:02:39

Anyway, point is, everybody's wondered if it was cancelled or not, and it's Potentially not. We'll see. Hasn't been official yet.

Gene 1:02:48

I, I like that show. It's got its quirky things that I don't like. I also don't like that, the guy who's running it the gay dude, what's his name? Oh, he's not gay, technically, he's bisexual. You know who I'm talking about. The main, the main guy, the captain.

Ben 1:03:03

How is he bisexual?

Gene 1:03:05

In real life, not on the show.

Ben 1:03:07

How is he bisexual?

Gene 1:03:09

He fucks dudes.

Ben 1:03:11

How so?

Gene 1:03:13

I would imagine by,

Ben 1:03:15

No, no, no, no,

Gene 1:03:16

putting their penis in his mouth and in his ass.

Ben 1:03:19

you, thank you, thank you. I'm talking about, like, how is Seth whatever his name is which now you have me blanking

Gene 1:03:26

Yeah, Seth MacFarlane.

Ben 1:03:27

Yeah. How do you think he's

Gene 1:03:30

Just, you can, you can Google it. I don't need to explain it on here.

Ben 1:03:33

I, okay.

Gene 1:03:35

Mm hmm. Either way there's certain things about that show that don't think they did well, like replacing the security chick they had in the first year. Type quieter, please. And you really need to get the multi work in, dude. Not having you on the noise gate is definitely annoying. Mm hmm.

Ben 1:03:54

Okay. You know,

Gene 1:03:56

because I think the chick they originally had was a much better character. She had a whole arc, and she was cute, and then they sort of replaced her with a butchy chick of roughly the same build.

Ben 1:04:08

I don't know if they were play, what I would call a butchy chick.

Gene 1:04:13

Compared to the first one? Hell yeah.

Ben 1:04:15

The, but the first one wasn't exactly, you know, hot or anything. It was more girl next

Gene 1:04:19

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Girl next door grew up on a planet with gravity ten times higher, and so by de facto, she's way stronger.

Ben 1:04:30

Mm hmm. Mm hmm.

Gene 1:04:32

Which, incidentally, you don't need to grow up on a planet that's ten times higher gravity to do that. It just takes a slightly different genetic. Chimpanzee muscles of the same size, same volume that we have are about four times more capable of exerting what would you call it, strength?

Ben 1:04:50

Yeah you know.

Gene 1:04:51

They can push harder.

Ben 1:04:53

Yeah, okay, the Russian experiments, you know, failed. So,

Gene 1:04:57

The, oh, the hybrids? How do you know about those?

Ben 1:05:01

Write history. I

Gene 1:05:02

never existed, by the way. That was totally fake.

Ben 1:05:05

Huh, sure.

Gene 1:05:07

Mm hmm.

Ben 1:05:08

I, I can totally see Stalin watching a chimp playing a Russian chick and being like, Yes, we will make the super soldier.

Gene 1:05:15

Huh. love the videos of the the monkeys driving vehicles or riding motorcycles. Cause they're, once they figure out that they control the steering, their balance is really good. Like on two wheels.

Ben 1:05:34

Yeah, I always find it funny when the video, and I've seen it a thousand times, where the the militiamen in Africa hand the

Gene 1:05:42

An AK

Ben 1:05:42

chimp a loaded AK 47

Gene 1:05:45

And

Ben 1:05:45

and then are just shot shocked. What, what happens?

Gene 1:05:50

Hey, his finger goes in the trigger, look at that.

Ben 1:05:52

Yeah it's funny because the, the, the chimp pulls the trigger and is oh! And then realizes it, and kind of smiles and just starts spraying. And is ah!

Gene 1:06:01

And then you see in the video, at the end of the video, he lifts the gun up over his head with both hands, just like a revolutionary would.

Ben 1:06:08

yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just

Gene 1:06:11

what do they say? We share 98. 6 percent of our DNA with chumps.

Ben 1:06:14

Something like that, but it's just so, it's just so poetic in so many ways,

Gene 1:06:19

Oh, yeah. It's a total karma moment, yeah.

Ben 1:06:24

There was something I sent you, and what I was trying to do was sign into Twitter so I could see, but

Gene 1:06:30

something on X.

Ben 1:06:31

yeah old habits, man. Anyway, there was something I wanted to talk about, but. I I can't find it, so.

Gene 1:06:39

Hmm.

Ben 1:06:40

Nevermind.

Gene 1:06:42

Okay.

Ben 1:06:44

It's been lost

Gene 1:06:45

you, did you watch Tucker talking to Tucker?

Ben 1:06:49

No, I have not watched Tucker Max talking to Tucker yet. Oh! It was the VPs. It was Trump's VP list, that's what it was. Yeah! Yeah, so, what do you think of the current VP list?

Gene 1:07:03

I'm surprised it doesn't include more women because I thought for sure he wants a female on there. But either way, I knew that there's no way Vivek would be on that list. No way in hell.

Ben 1:07:15

Which is fine, I think he can go he can kind of go deep into Send Vivek into the FBI and let him gut it. Send Vivek into the ATF and let him gut it. Put him to the test, and he will get elected president

Gene 1:07:30

do you think of Vivek as chief of staff?

Ben 1:07:34

No, he needs more power than that. Chief of Staff doesn't have jack shit for power.

Gene 1:07:39

It depends on the president. I kind of think the current chief staff has a shit ton of power.

Ben 1:07:44

Eh, I mean, I wouldn't mind seeing Bannon back in that position again. That'd be fine.

Gene 1:07:50

I'm not a fan.

Ben 1:07:52

Okay. Anyway what's the I'm trying to find the list right now.

Gene 1:07:59

The notable on there is Rubio,

Ben 1:08:01

No, Rubio's the dangerous choice in my

Gene 1:08:05

right? That's why he's

Ben 1:08:06

Rubio would be another Pence

Gene 1:08:07

That's why I'm saying that's the notable choice. I didn't say the best choice. He said, that's the notable one.

Ben 1:08:12

What's the other guy that was running for president and dropped out that is on the list? He's governor of one of the Dakotas. I can't remember his name right now. Fairly libertarian, actually.

Gene 1:08:22

Probably South Dakota. I can't think of his name either. I can picture him. I can picture him, I can't think of his name.

Ben 1:08:29

Jesus Christ, we're bad at this.

Gene 1:08:30

I'm old, what's your excuse?

Ben 1:08:33

You won't let me type to log into Twitter to find the list.

Gene 1:08:35

Just type, type quieter, god damn it.

Ben 1:08:39

I mean, I'm on a laptop keyboard. It's not exactly loud.

Gene 1:08:43

I'm on an IBM's electric keyboard.

Ben 1:08:47

Yeah, I've got my Lenovo keyboard behind here.

Gene 1:08:50

The clip on those keyboards?

Ben 1:08:54

first of all, I'm talking about a desktop keyboard, not

Gene 1:08:58

okay.

Ben 1:08:59

not, not a you know.

Gene 1:09:01

Doug Bergen.

Ben 1:09:02

Yes, Doug Burgum. That's who I was thinking of, and I just found it, by the way. Yeah, Governor, North Dakota Governor Doug Burgum. I think he, out of that list, Doug Burgum, or You know, I think Kristi Noem is out at this point, given

Gene 1:09:18

I think so. I, I do. I don't understand why she had to put that book out right now.

Ben 1:09:25

I don't understand what people's fuckin problem with it

Gene 1:09:28

I don't either, but somebody, some editor should have said, Hey, are you sure you want to talk about killing your dog?

Ben 1:09:35

But, let me just say this. People kill fucking dogs. Especially when they go eat chickens, and it's a repetitive thing, and they've bitten people. You put the dog down. That is what you fucking do.

Gene 1:09:49

I think had she said, and we took it to the vet, she wouldn't have gotten the same reaction.

Ben 1:09:54

people are, oh my god, she killed her dog. Maybe she should have gotten professional treatment. Fuck you. It's an animal, and it's, no, that's not what happens.

Gene 1:10:02

I'm with you a hundred percent, but, but I also know that the general population, at least here in Austin is dog

Ben 1:10:10

population of fucking millennial idiots that

Gene 1:10:13

They think these are their children. It's like you killed your child, your four legged

Ben 1:10:18

Fucking the way Hannah Clare and Tim responded to this was just absolutely just insane.

Gene 1:10:26

one's a millennial. The other one's a zoomer.

Ben 1:10:29

They're both millennials.

Gene 1:10:30

Hannah Clare graduated five years ago. Is that? She's up. She's right on the edge.

Ben 1:10:36

Yeah, whatever.

Gene 1:10:39

I can't

Ben 1:10:39

Anyway, I can't believe, I can't believe you watched Friday's episode and didn't lose your mind.

Gene 1:10:47

What do you mean?

Ben 1:10:48

You know, just the guest they had on there was pretty anti semitic by your definition.

Gene 1:10:51

I didn't watch it. No. As soon as I saw he was on, I stopped watching.

Ben 1:10:55

Why?

Gene 1:10:56

Oh, he's a dick. Now, he's a loud mouth, very typical, like a person who can't shut up for fear that someone might actually take the time to listen and understand what he's saying and realize he's a moron.

Ben 1:11:11

Yeah.

Gene 1:11:12

Never liked the guy went back when he was on whatchamacallit, on in Dallas there, that network,

Ben 1:11:18

Blaze.

Gene 1:11:19

Network, I thought he was an idiot on that network. Although I did support him when his partner threw him under the bus, but I never liked him. No, I just, I, I don't understand why he has a, what, a show at all.

Ben 1:11:36

Yeah VPs real quick.

Gene 1:11:38

Yeah.

Ben 1:11:39

So, on this list, you've got Tim Scott,

Gene 1:11:42

guy's name is Schaefer something.

Ben 1:11:44

who, Schaefer, who, what?

Gene 1:11:45

The guy we're talking about.

Ben 1:11:47

Elijah Schaefer,

Gene 1:11:48

Elijah. Yeah. That's what it was. Elijah

Ben 1:11:50

you've got Tim Scott JD Vance, Marco Rubio, Elsa Stefanik Kristi Noem, and Doug Burgum as the current supposed list. Out of those, I think the two most likely is Tim Scott and Rubio.

Gene 1:12:12

I don't think it's going to be Vance. He, he comes with a lot of baggage. I think Rubio is the most statist of the bunch,

Ben 1:12:19

But Rubio doesn't get you anything, and he's a Floridian.

Gene 1:12:23

he is a Floridian and maybe that's what he gets you. Yeah.

Ben 1:12:27

Trump's a Floridian.

Gene 1:12:28

Yeah. But he ran against the governor of Florida, which is very loved in Florida.

Ben 1:12:34

I don't understand what you think he'd get you.

Gene 1:12:37

I think it gets you more Florida votes.

Ben 1:12:41

I don't think that's, A, I don't think that's needed, and B, someone's gonna have to change their residency.

Gene 1:12:47

I, I think that the I, that's why I really thought it'd be a woman, because that's the vote that he needs more of.

Ben 1:12:55

Yeah, but the two women who are on the list, you know, Kristi Noem, the dog issue

Gene 1:13:01

Yeah, the dog murderer.

Ben 1:13:03

Yeah, and then Stefanik, I don't think that's needed. I,

Gene 1:13:07

Yeah.

Ben 1:13:08

maybe

Gene 1:13:09

I, I, I think that's why also I think Tulsi's probably on that list too.

Ben 1:13:15

And you know what Tulsi would fuck if you, if Trump actually carried Hawaii. Huh?

Gene 1:13:22

that would be,

Ben 1:13:23

Yeah.

Gene 1:13:24

that would be something. I think Tulsi, what I like about her other than

Ben 1:13:29

you watch her on Rogan?

Gene 1:13:30

course. Of course. Other than her ethnicity. I think that she shows a growth that politicians rarely demonstrate. Like being able to explain. Her change of heart on firearms and the second amendment and how it's actually made her a lot bigger of a supporter of the second amendment. And you know, like talking about how and why she'd never really thought it was relating to Non sport guns and now she completely understands like that type of humility goes a long way And I think there's been a couple issues not just guns where she has become more enlightened

Ben 1:14:18

She's obviously someone who, when she is presented with a new way of thinking about a topic, considers it and can reshape her opinions based off of it, which is pretty

Gene 1:14:29

Yeah, she's not dogmatic

Ben 1:14:31

Exactly.

Gene 1:14:33

Exactly. So I like that about her You know, I like that. We're both South Pacific Islander. That's always a plus

Ben 1:14:42

That you're both what?

Gene 1:14:43

South Pacific Islanders

Ben 1:14:46

I mean,

Gene 1:14:46

We have a shared DNA, you know,

Ben 1:14:49

your build doesn't count.

Gene 1:14:51

it fuck you and my other friends that literally say the same thing huh.

Ben 1:14:57

Oh, you've heard that one before, have you?

Gene 1:14:59

Oh, way too many times. No, I, you know, fuck all y'all. I have DNA to back up my claims.

Ben 1:15:05

Uh huh, uh huh, huh, sure you do.

Gene 1:15:07

We are a proud people. Yes.

Ben 1:15:12

Why is it that a lot of fat people always want to claim to be Samoan? It's genetic, I

Gene 1:15:17

It is totally genetic, and it's the same reason I realized later in life why I cannot eat and still gain weight.

Ben 1:15:25

Yeah

Gene 1:15:26

Yeah, and don't be sneezing the word bullshit while you're at it here.

Ben 1:15:31

Yeah, I keep I keep losing weight. I gotta figure that out.

Gene 1:15:33

Yeah, that's probably your Irish background.

Ben 1:15:37

Losing weight is my Irish

Gene 1:15:39

Yeah, you're, you're, you're background genetically, you're just wanting more of a potato famine to happen. like genetically predisposed towards potato famining.

Ben 1:15:52

Okay, Gene. Anyway I had one more

Gene 1:15:55

Not a real genocide, by the way.

Ben 1:15:57

was it a genocide to begin with? But

Gene 1:16:01

What, you don't understand the story of potato famine? It's when all the English took all the potatoes out of Ireland. There was nothing to

Ben 1:16:07

There was blights and a whole bunch of things.

Gene 1:16:09

Yeah, what do you think the Irish called blight? The English.

Ben 1:16:14

No shit, but it was also, there was fungus and things like that that were destroying

Gene 1:16:18

That's what the English claimed. But the reality was the English stole all the potatoes and then sold them to Ukraine.

Ben 1:16:25

I don't think it's quite like

Gene 1:16:27

you gotta read your history books.

Ben 1:16:28

I have. I don't think you have.

Gene 1:16:32

in the old language.

Ben 1:16:34

Yeah, okay,

Gene 1:16:36

Mm hmm.

Ben 1:16:37

Shit, I, I just had another topic and I'm

Gene 1:16:40

Man, you were, which one of us didn't sleep all night? Cause it sure feels like that was you.

Ben 1:16:46

Oh, I didn't sleep for the shit, man. I, I was up last night a lot. We had a lot of thunderstorms, we've had a lot of thunderstorms rolling through. And

Gene 1:16:53

We have it here as well. Yeah.

Ben 1:16:55

so I didn't, I didn't fall asleep to probably about 1. And I was up at 3 to probably about 4. 30. And then at 4. 30, I got up around 6. 30, and then I saw your text at 7, whatever it

Gene 1:17:09

My, yeah, my, my shift ended at 6 a. m.

Ben 1:17:13

right, but I replied to you immediately, so that tells you I was awake,

Gene 1:17:16

I knew, I knew, I could tell. But then

Ben 1:17:18

point is, I didn't sleep very much, so.

Gene 1:17:20

Okay, gotcha. Yeah,

Ben 1:17:22

But regardless, you know, one of us has to carry the show, and I've been trying, but

Gene 1:17:26

try harder, maybe, I don't know.

Ben 1:17:28

Where's your input?

Gene 1:17:30

My input is telling you to try harder, clearly. Okay.

Ben 1:17:33

The,

Gene 1:17:33

been posting all kinds of

Ben 1:17:35

middle management.

Gene 1:17:36

what are you trying to figure out about ham radio that you have no business trying to figure out?

Ben 1:17:41

What do you mean? Oh, that's, that is actually what I was going to talk about. I'm going to do a project.

Gene 1:17:45

there you go. Talk about it.

Ben 1:17:47

Alright. So, I've been looking for different antennas for some obviously I'm using the family service bands on my radios.

Gene 1:17:56

Clearly, it's the only ones you're allowed to use.

Ben 1:17:58

Yeah, and I need some I need an antenna that's more flexible and not in the way. And I really like the cattail antenna design for what I'm wanting to use. But, they want sixty fuckin dollars for the antenna that doesn't have that great a performance.

Gene 1:18:14

Mm hmm.

Ben 1:18:15

And, for sixty dollars I've bought enough materials to make about ten of them. So, yeah.

Gene 1:18:21

So, you, you're gonna fix these two FSR radios?

Ben 1:18:24

Sure.

Gene 1:18:25

Okay. Gotcha.

Ben 1:18:27

Yeah, if you want one I'll make you one too.

Gene 1:18:30

No, I'm, I'm good.

Ben 1:18:32

I'm gonna be making it for the 70 centimeter and 2 meter bands is actually the antenna length. I'm gonna be targeting

Gene 1:18:38

That, that doesn't sound like FSR to me, but okay.

Ben 1:18:42

I'm not I'm not educated in

Gene 1:18:44

No, I clearly, yeah, you don't know what length to make, so arbitrarily you're gonna do 70 centimeters on two meters.

Ben 1:18:51

This is completely random

Gene 1:18:53

sure sounds random. Now, I am educated in this topic, so to me that does not sound random. Mm hmm.

Ben 1:18:59

It's just my wild ass guess on what I think will work, Gene.

Gene 1:19:02

Yeah, you're just going based visually that fits the size of your shirt.

Ben 1:19:06

Exactly, yeah, it looks like it'll work. Yeah,

Gene 1:19:11

Yeah, might stumble on something.

Ben 1:19:13

huh. Yeah, anyway

Gene 1:19:16

make one that's one meter when you're for two meters, because then that'll definitely be not totally random.

Ben 1:19:24

One meter for two meters, huh. Yeah, yeah, I gotcha, but, you know,

Gene 1:19:30

There's another antenna type you should check out for your alleged FSR. I'm trying to remember what it was called, but Adam Curry ran it for a while back when he lived in Austin in his apartment,

Ben 1:19:41

uh

Gene 1:19:41

uh, and it was an electric antenna. I'll keep doing searches until I figure out what the name for it was, but it's something that is physically much smaller in size than a lot of other variances of antennas in a totally random two meter length

Ben 1:19:59

hmm.

Gene 1:20:00

It's tunable. And it worked pretty good. I almost bought one, but my interest level dropped because I realized I wasn't really interested in talking to these people.

Ben 1:20:09

yeah, the tunable stuff is interesting. Some, you know, there's some issues with that if you're on body and trying. First of all, any antenna where you're on the body is, is potentially a problem. The other thing you have to realize is a lot of like walkie talkie antennas only work really well when you're holding the radio. And the reason why is because it's a dipole, but it's only one half of the dipole. You are the ground plane. So, without you holding the radio, In the walkie talkie fashion, it's no longer a dipole antenna, which causes problems. So, one of the things you can do is, for instance, with some of the material I'm getting in, I'm going to experiment with making, essentially, an actual dipole that can be separate, and you know, run on my back sort of thing, so that when I'm using a headset or something, it's, You know, it's actually functioning the way it's designed. Yeah, yeah, I've seen these types of

Gene 1:21:15

Yeah, and I, I was tempted, they are expensive, but there's also plans like, you know, this is pre built but there's plans online to make them for a lot less money than that.

Ben 1:21:25

Yeah, so essentially what I'm doing is I'm taking coax and making antennas out of it. I bought some high quality coax. I've got some BNC connectors that I'm gonna do, some heat shrink. I've got the soldering iron. So I'm, I'm, I'm going to do some. basically monopole whip type antennas. And then I'm going to do at least one that's a dipole. So I'm going to use the sheeting the, the shielding on the coax and split that off. And that'd be one end of the, that'll be the ground plane. And

Gene 1:21:59

Mm hmm.

Ben 1:22:00

copper be the the copper core be the actual antenna. So, yeah. I'm playing around with it. I'm learning, you know. I know a little bit about antenna theory and everything else, but You know, it's just Trying to hit the There's a lot of kind of magic and art in antennas as well.

Gene 1:22:21

Oh, they're absolutely,

Ben 1:22:23

is not pure math, which is just

Gene 1:22:26

there's a lot of math though.

Ben 1:22:29

Yeah, I mean, okay, so here's the thing so again if you want to hit the 70 centimeter and the two meter bands How do you do that in one antenna without a tuner? You know, obviously you're gonna be Lossy which end do you want to preface? You know, there's lots of there's lots of things in there

Gene 1:22:50

Mm hmm. Mm hmm.

Ben 1:22:51

know, it's just Obviously not going to

Gene 1:22:56

Yeah, it involves math to come up with the right answers. Yeah, I'm not a, I'm not, this is not my area of

Ben 1:23:02

I mean, all you gotta do is find the midpoint of the band you wanna target and create something in the length of that band, right?

Gene 1:23:10

Yeah, or you

Ben 1:23:11

problem becomes when you're trying to get two bands and making sure you have an overlapping, heart over, overlapping overlapping resonance.

Gene 1:23:20

exactly, that's, that's where the math comes in. Yeah. So, and, I, I got a particular what's the opposite of interest? Disinterest, I guess, in this topic, because both of my parents were Double E's and my dad specialized in literally this like his job for a long time was working on building antennas for high frequency surveillance of the North pole. And, and so consequently, you can imagine a conversation. Maybe you can't, but a conversation like,

Ben 1:24:07

Did you watch the Y Files episode from this week?

Gene 1:24:10

Not yet. Now,

Ben 1:24:11

Oh, okay.

Gene 1:24:13

Which one was this week? Let's make sure I didn't watch the right one. Did not know that. Don't, don't spoil it. I'll

Ben 1:24:20

I just, given what you're saying about your dad, I would be very interested in knowing what you have to say.

Gene 1:24:26

I mean, there's, I don't know a whole lot, frankly, about it because he wouldn't talk about it. But he was stationed up next to Finland for a long time. And,

Ben 1:24:35

figured it was the other side. Mount motherfuckin Hayes.

Gene 1:24:39

no.

Ben 1:24:40

Which, by the way, I want a t shirt that says that. I really do.

Gene 1:24:43

What, motherfucking haze?

Ben 1:24:44

Yeah, Mount motherfuckin Hayes.

Gene 1:24:48

I'm pretty sure you can go on Amazon, you can probably find that right now. I'm shocked at how much shit is available on Amazon of that. I thought I was the first one to come up with a cute saying.

Ben 1:24:57

Yeah, you the first of all I didn't that's off of hecklefish and all that but second of all you want to really see something go to Aliexpress and Timu and those websites and tell me they're somebody trying to sell something that's just and by the way the amount of I think it's interesting that AliExpress has decided that I am a very good target to try and sell different types of fuel filters to.

Gene 1:25:26

Really? That's hilarious. Yeah. I, I'm sure a lot of people that shop like you buy a lot of fuel filters,

Ben 1:25:34

I don't know, man. I cannot imagine ordering something like that through

Gene 1:25:44

international customs.

Ben 1:25:46

Exactly. It's just You're just begging

Gene 1:25:51

Dude. I, I bought a new set of exhaust for my motorcycle back when I used to ride and I had them shipped over from Europe because that was where the, the really cool exhaust that I wanted was manufactured. I think in Spain.

Ben 1:26:06

Mm hmm.

Gene 1:26:06

And those things hit customs and they took the whole damn thing apart and then charged me for their fucking time inspecting it. I was like, what the hell bullshit is this? What else do you think it is? If it says motorcycle exhaust parts, what do you think is in there? Fuckin rockets?

Ben 1:26:29

I mean, Hamas could have made them into rockets for sure. Yeah.

Gene 1:26:33

could have been rockets. But, yeah, it was, I was very pissed when that box showed up finally. I was like, this is bullshit.

Ben 1:26:41

it looks like the Texas Suppressor Law, since we're speaking of this sort of thing,

Gene 1:26:46

Ah, I was talking about fuel filters, but whatever.

Ben 1:26:50

Yeah Texas Suppressor Law might actually have its day in court.

Gene 1:26:53

Yes, for better or worse, I think it might.

Ben 1:26:56

So, anyway, we

Gene 1:26:58

It is very limiting. The language is so restrictive though, I don't know that I'd want the suppressor from state of Texas, cause

Ben 1:27:05

Why?

Gene 1:27:06

if you read the language for it, it's literally made in Texas. Okay, that's fine. Never left the state. That's fine. But then it has things like, yeah, it's not only is, yeah, you could never resell this

Ben 1:27:22

So there are

Gene 1:27:22

anybody, including people in Texas.

Ben 1:27:25

there's two aspects of the law, and this is something that I didn't realize, is there's a commercial side of it, meaning if you're commercially manufacturing a suppressor,

Gene 1:27:36

Mm hmm.

Ben 1:27:37

versus a homemade suppressor. Basically, they're carving out separate protections for homemade suppressors.

Gene 1:27:45

Mm hmm.

Ben 1:27:46

the state of Texas, which I think is okay. That

Gene 1:27:51

know. I really have my fingers crossed and I hope this thing is the string that gets pulled by the Supreme Court to unravel the whole of NFA.

Ben 1:28:01

Fantastic.

Gene 1:28:03

And I, God, that would be so awesome. Imagine all of NFA going away. How long do you think it would be before the first? Fully automatic machine gun would be up on the market,

Ben 1:28:16

A day.

Gene 1:28:17

probably.

Ben 1:28:18

No, I'm serious, because the

Gene 1:28:21

I'll tell you what would pop up

Ben 1:28:22

AR platform, literally all you have to do is change the milling of the receiver and put a different CRN and now you've got it,

Gene 1:28:30

and Glock switches would be on eBay the next day.

Ben 1:28:34

There already are, but

Gene 1:28:35

I know, I know, but like legitimately they would be on eBay.

Ben 1:28:39

who the fuck wants a full autoglock?

Gene 1:28:41

Nobody dude, idiots want to fill out a Glock. I got to shoot a Glock 18 when they first came out.

Ben 1:28:48

if it if it had a stock and it was in a PDW, okay fine But oh Jesus

Gene 1:28:54

and I shot a Glock 18 back when that first came out in a range that it's actually funny when I ran for office, we did a losing party where we rented a limo and basically blew through the rest of the budget for the campaign

Ben 1:29:09

Mm

Gene 1:29:10

and took the limo to the gun range and then just basically spent the rest of the budget on ammo. At shooting nothing but full autos. It was a fun old time. I enjoyed running for office. But I think that's what my constituents would have wanted, so, you know.

Ben 1:29:26

huh.

Gene 1:29:26

Anyway, fuckers didn't vote for me enough, so I didn't get in. But, the I ended up shooting a whole bunch of different full auto guns at that time. And and by that time I mean, 1994. So it hadn't been that long since the

Ben 1:29:45

The manufacturing band.

Gene 1:29:47

the, yeah, it came in. So most of the guns were still fairly new. It's like now you're looking at 20 year old plus guns. 30 year old guns is all you can get. 40 year old guns. Yeah. Oh my God. You're right. If you buy a legit full auto M 16, like Brandon has.

Ben 1:30:04

Mm

Gene 1:30:05

That's a 40 year old plus gun. That's crazy.

Ben 1:30:08

hmm

Gene 1:30:10

anyway, and

Ben 1:30:11

him or I?

Gene 1:30:12

Oh yeah, absolutely. My favorite gun out of all of them was a full auto Tommy gun in 22 caliber.

Ben 1:30:22

Oh, no, the the AM 180. Yeah. Yeah, it was it's not the it's not it's not a thompson at

Gene 1:30:28

It looks, yeah, it looked like a Tom. So and they had a drum magazine.

Ben 1:30:32

Yeah

Gene 1:30:32

This thing had a drum magazine.

Ben 1:30:34

Yeah, it's a horizontal drum

Gene 1:30:37

Yeah, yeah, I guess it was. Yeah, you're right. It

Ben 1:30:39

horizontal, not vertical. Yeah, I know the gun you, I know the exact gun you're talking about, Gene, and I would love to have one in the collection, and if you look at how much they are,

Gene 1:30:50

Oh, I'm sure they're

Ben 1:30:50

even worried about the tag stamp.

Gene 1:30:52

Yeah. But I, I burned my hand on that gun cause it got so fucking hot but it, it was the closest that I've ever come to shooting an actual ballistic or a firearm you know, with explosions going on to one of those,

Ben 1:31:09

firearm, I

Gene 1:31:10

don't know how to describe it. Okay. A firearm, a fire, I'm tired enough, a firearm. is the closest that I've ever come in shooting a firearm that, that shot very similarly to the guns you shoot at a amusement park that are pneumatic.

Ben 1:31:29

Yes.

Gene 1:31:31

cut out the little star and win a prize one of those guns Because this thing you could literally draw and cut out pieces of the target with but man it got hot

Ben 1:31:42

Oh the, anyone who's interested, look it up, it was actually considered a, for police as riot

Gene 1:31:50

Oh, yeah,

Ben 1:31:51

lethal

Gene 1:31:52

I'm all for that man. That's what we need more of those guns in that right control

Ben 1:31:56

Yeah anyway. I mean, if you had a, you know, rat shot or even you know, a little rubber bulletin there it could,

Gene 1:32:04

is there such a thing as a rubber 22 caliber bullet,

Ben 1:32:08

It would be extremely easy to manufacture because of the pressures and everything. It'd be so easy.

Gene 1:32:14

you know

Ben 1:32:15

Like, that would not be a problem at all.

Gene 1:32:20

making it soft enough at that diameter that it would not actually penetrate

Ben 1:32:26

Oh, you just do a low powder load and, you know,

Gene 1:32:29

still shoots somebody's eye

Ben 1:32:31

I mean, oh, absolutely, but think an Airsoft BB, right?

Gene 1:32:34

Yeah. It shoots somebody's eye out

Ben 1:32:36

just have a higher velocity airsoft BB with that rate of fire. Ho ho. He he. You would not want to mess with that.

Gene 1:32:43

It's a very high rate of fire. But where I was going with it is one of the things that you quickly realize shooting the Glock 18, which was their actual factory full auto,

Ben 1:32:51

Yeah,

Gene 1:32:51

is that it, it unloads a 33 round magazine in about two seconds. It's and you're done. And, and whatever. However close to the target you were when you started squeezing the trigger, you're pointing 45 degrees up by the time you're done squeezing the trigger. I mean, that thing was uncontrollable and really fast.

Ben 1:33:15

Yeah, which is why a PDW makes more sense than a pistol. And, you know, here's the thing. The NFA on So, the whole thing just needs to go, but at the very least, I think if we can get the suppressors knocked down, you might not ever be able to win the argument with the public on full auto because people are stupid and scared. Even though, from your and my standpoint and thinking, you know, it's absolutely just abhorrent that we can't have full auto. But, SBRs and shit like that just need to go away.

Gene 1:33:56

Yeah, yeah.

Ben 1:33:57

I, I, I'm not really interested in a SBR from many aspects. But you know what, some of the PDWs, I would love to have. If I could have a legit P90, even if it was in semi auto, but with the short barrel,

Gene 1:34:13

Without, without waiting a year. And giving all your info to the government.

Ben 1:34:17

Yes, exactly.

Gene 1:34:18

Yeah,

Ben 1:34:19

that, that would be a 5. 7 I would own, right?

Gene 1:34:21

this is why I think the pistol versions of so many rifles have become so popular, which the whole brace situation is because that is a more typical length that people want to have in guns, which is under 16 inches. Not necessarily nine inches, but certainly like between And 14 inches.

Ben 1:34:46

very

Gene 1:34:47

some really good lengths of barrels. Mm

Ben 1:34:49

very few people, A, can shoot accurately, to begin with,

Gene 1:34:54

Mm

Ben 1:34:55

uh, and B, Are, you know, everybody's just worried about having fun. And if they're talking about self defense, they're talking about CQB. So that shorter barrel makes more sense. They're not trying to do long range. So it's, it's the trend, right? Did you see the backfire thousand thousand dollar challenge that someone finally won?

Gene 1:35:19

I saw the challenge. I didn't read anything about it. 1

Ben 1:35:23

So the YouTube channel backfire, he put out a challenge to see if anyone could shoot. One MOA at a hundred yards. It wasn't anything crazy. Shoot one MOA not only precise, not just a one MOA group, but accurately.

Gene 1:35:40

Mm hmm.

Ben 1:35:41

And it ended up being a fourteen year old that took it,

Gene 1:35:43

And I'm assuming this is from not with a bench rest and sandbags.

Ben 1:35:47

Oh no, bench rest, sandbags, whatever you want to

Gene 1:35:49

You gotta be shitting me.

Ben 1:35:51

Nope, absolutely whatever

Gene 1:35:52

who, who hasn't shot a one? Oh, my group.

Ben 1:35:55

It's not about just the group. It's about putting it accurately in the target as well.

Gene 1:36:01

Okay, so

Ben 1:36:03

inch ring at 100 yards and you had to put all 5 bullets in that ring.

Gene 1:36:06

in the ring. Okay, so it's, it's it's wind and,

Ben 1:36:10

It's accuracy and precision, yes. And his entire point is, dude, everybody wants to talk about this, but Okay, fine, your gun can group. Cool. Can you actually hit what you want to aim at?

Gene 1:36:25

see, I, I think that's a little bit of a like it doesn't matter because my attitude with guns, same as it is for any kind of equipment, which is. I know I'm not very good. The last thing I want is to add the not very good aspect of the equipment. So I want the best, most accurate equipment because then the only thing that'll make me less than perfect is me. So I don't want to compound my lack of skill. With additional crappy performance from the equipment, which is an argument to always get the highest quality things.

Ben 1:37:01

And there were guys there, though, with some pretty nice rifles that were putting up some pretty atro in my mind, atrocious groups at 100 yards, given the, you know, being prone, sandbags, bipods. I mean, everybody was people were doing everything that you can imagine short of a lead sled. And it I mean, it was crazy to me to watch. The groups people were putting up. I get that it's a lot more rare than we like to think, but, Jesus.

Gene 1:37:34

But it doesn't feel like it. Every time I cite a gun in, I'm doing one, I am one, one MOA groups. If the gun's capable of it, some guns aren't

Ben 1:37:45

and the ammo and everything else, but sure.

Gene 1:37:48

well, and that's a good point is I wouldn't even attempt to do something like this unless I'm shooting ammo that I know is good.

Ben 1:37:54

And good with that gun.

Gene 1:37:55

end good with that again. Exactly. And that's why my gold standard has always been a federal gold match. Cause that's the ammo I've shot sub MOA groups

Ben 1:38:04

Yeah, and you know, but what just shocks me is people sitting there with 2, 000 to 5, 000 guns and then you see the ammo they're shooting and you're like, Oh my God. Okay. You're, you're, you, you have more money than you have sense. And there's just a lot of little things that I picked up on that really annoyed

Gene 1:38:24

You know, at some point I want to shoot that plastic ammo I got.

Ben 1:38:29

Okay, go ahead.

Gene 1:38:30

Oh, it's, it's really expensive though. So I'm holding off.

Ben 1:38:34

No. I'm looking at a new getting a new press and reloading, but man,

Gene 1:38:39

You're getting the lead.

Ben 1:38:41

No, I have a single stage Lee. There's nothing wrong with a single stage Lee. And all the progressives, unless you go with a Dylan and some others, are pretty

Gene 1:38:52

you were talking about how Dylan's overpriced.

Ben 1:38:54

Dylans are very expensive, but, you know, Dylans are probably the only ones that are super reliable in a progressive.

Gene 1:39:02

too bad. I didn't know you like 10 years ago because I probably could have gotten you my dad's Dylan

Ben 1:39:08

You still could.

Gene 1:39:10

No, he's he sold it

Ben 1:39:12

Anyway. Anyway, the but the, I was looking at the prices of ammo and looking at even the cheapest, even getting blemished projectiles, man. Right now, 30 caliber projectiles, 150 grain, are going blemished. Even non blemished. So Hornady, Hornady's the cheapest right now. Non blemished is 36 cents a round. Just for the projectile. So by the time you add primer, casing, you know, all that and your time, when you're buying AAC ammo for 74 cents a round, I, I can't compete. Now my ammo will be better, but you know,

Gene 1:39:56

I

Ben 1:39:56

you're not reloading for cost at this point is I guess my, my

Gene 1:40:00

Exactly if you're reloading it's gonna be for accuracy and quality and you better have a good load at that point for sure

Ben 1:40:07

Yeah,

Gene 1:40:08

I, that is one thing I will say is I really kind of didn't realize how much how good I had it back when my dad was reloading because

Ben 1:40:18

were essentially using match ammunition all the time.

Gene 1:40:20

exactly, because all I would do is our deal was I buy, I pay for the bullets and the powder and then he'll, he'll load it for me. And so I had thousands and thousands of rounds of a lot of different calibers that my dad had loaded all with brand new brass. And you know, I just got used to just plinking what effectively was match ammo.

Ben 1:40:44

Mm hmm. Yeah.

Gene 1:40:48

And that's, I, to this day, that's why I have to like grin and bear it when I buy cheap ammo, cause I'm like, God damn it, man. I, I hate that I can't afford good quality ammo.

Ben 1:41:01

And that's the thing, is the,

Gene 1:41:04

And incidentally, what I'm calling not good quality is what most people actually consider good quality. Cause the shit they consider not good quality, like steel case. I don't even look at,

Ben 1:41:15

So, it depends on the gun. You know, a 7. 62x39, I'll shoot still case all day long.

Gene 1:41:20

I won't

Ben 1:41:22

Okay, that's what the gun was designed for.

Gene 1:41:25

not these really guns I have.

Ben 1:41:28

Okay anyway

Gene 1:41:29

ammo with

Ben 1:41:30

There is no 7. 62x39 NATO ammo.

Gene 1:41:34

No, that's not true. Okay. Fair enough. Yes. There's not, there isn't, but there is, it's not,

Ben 1:41:41

isn't, because it's not a NATO caliber. Okay.

Gene 1:41:43

it's not a NATO caliber, but it is in NATO countries, armies use.

Ben 1:41:48

it's still not a NATO caliber, and they're supposed to actually standardize and move away from that.

Gene 1:41:54

That's taken about 20 years. Cause

Ben 1:41:56

Hey,

Gene 1:41:57

if you look at Slovakian ammo and there's still, it's a

Ben 1:42:03

I I am tracking what you're saying. I'm just

Gene 1:42:06

Oh, you're right. Technically you're, you're correct. It was, it, I shouldn't be calling it NATO ammo. That's true. I'm thinking of NATO country ammo. Good.

Ben 1:42:15

Yeah, anyway, regardless. Yeah, yeah. I I really am liking the Tavor, dude. I like it.

Gene 1:42:26

Yeah. I think it's a, it's a good gun and

Ben 1:42:29

some accessories coming, so, we'll

Gene 1:42:31

yeah. And I am probably going to order as soon as you send photos on your gun. And you tell me that they actually. We're like, they fit perfectly because that's the one thing with a lot of these smaller companies that make accessories is you get them, put them on and you're like, this screw is a 16th of an inch off where the hole

Ben 1:42:53

Which which accessories are you thinking about doing?

Gene 1:42:55

Are you not getting the, the fore grip? Yeah. Yeah. That's the one specifically that I was thinking.

Ben 1:43:02

the other thing I got that I think will be a nice addition because I like long length of pull and various reasons, but I

Gene 1:43:09

You got the trigger.

Ben 1:43:10

cut manticore butt pad coming in.

Gene 1:43:12

Oh, you got the pad. Okay. Yeah, I saw that. I I'm actually fine with the flat one that's on there I didn't really see a need for it, but

Ben 1:43:21

It's just slick.

Gene 1:43:22

me know if it's any softer I guess that would be my question when you get it.

Ben 1:43:26

My thing is, is if it's rubberized at all, I don't really care about the softer aspect of it. I just care about it not being slick.

Gene 1:43:34

Sure. Sure. Sure.

Ben 1:43:35

So, we'll find out.

Gene 1:43:36

Is it have a textured back? Did it look like it in the photos? Okay. Yeah. There's a few things like that. I mean, the, the, the Tavor seven is a second generation Tavor rifle. So it, it has improved a lot of things from the original design, but it's still like any other rifle that you buy from the factory. It doesn't mean that you can't make it even better

Ben 1:44:01

Yeah, yeah. You know,

Gene 1:44:03

and, and you haven't ordered a trigger yet.

Ben 1:44:06

They haven't been available yet.

Gene 1:44:07

Okay. They're still backordered.

Ben 1:44:09

Yep, and as soon as they become available, I will probably order a trigger, but I'm going to get, so I like to have spare parts on wear items. So I'm getting some springs. The big things are springs, bolt and firing pin. There's a couple pins in there, especially around the bolt carrier group, that that I think are wear items that I'm going to get some extras of. Other than

Gene 1:44:35

gonna shoot this thing? Jesus.

Ben 1:44:38

And the other item I'm going to get is a 20 inch barrel. I am going to go ahead and get one of the 20 inch barrel kits. So, yeah.

Gene 1:44:45

cool.

Ben 1:44:46

How much am I going to shoot this thing, Jesus? Are you kidding me?

Gene 1:44:49

It is a 308 I mean generally people shoot 308s a lot less than they shoot 556s.

Ben 1:44:55

Sure, but it, it, you know, it's still one of those things that A, anytime I shoot it, I'm probably going to put a couple hundred rounds through it. Or at least a hundred rounds. It's just Easy. So that adds up. And then second of all, is, this is one of those guns that, You know, I have, I have, I've got some guns, And there's some guns that if shit hit the fan and I had to leave the house real quick, I wouldn't bother taking the guns. This is one of the guns I would take. And I would take spare parts for.

Gene 1:45:27

Yeah, yeah,

Ben 1:45:28

So.

Gene 1:45:31

but it's made so well Ben you may not need spare parts

Ben 1:45:34

Wha I'm sorry?

Gene 1:45:35

It's made so well, you don't even need spare parts.

Ben 1:45:39

Yeah, no there, there have been plenty of people who have had the 247 that have shot it to failure, and there's some You can go look online. There, there are some failure points that are clear that they've obviously corrected in some later models. But for instance, on the firing pin, the return spring, which is a safety thing, keeps it from slam firing. That spring has failed, and it can go into a slam fire.

Gene 1:46:04

I wonder what the rate of fire is if it does that.

Ben 1:46:07

Pretty high. I've had that sort of scenario before. I think I've told you on the podcast the story about the SKS,

Gene 1:46:15

hmm. Yep.

Ben 1:46:16

yeah. Same sort of thing. So, yeah.

Gene 1:46:18

My, my most prone to getting slam fires gun was a Calico 950.

Ben 1:46:26

Oh yeah.

Gene 1:46:27

And

Ben 1:46:28

a weird gun.

Gene 1:46:29

it's the coolest fuckin alien space gun ever. I, I

Ben 1:46:33

was literally used as props

Gene 1:46:35

Yeah, in a lot of movies, yeah, it was a very cool, some would say revolutionary design. That a lot going for it, but it also was version of 1. 0 and y'all know what that means. There

Ben 1:46:46

was actually 9, but

Gene 1:46:48

Probably there was a list of things that clearly should have been changed for version two had the company survived long enough, but the U S government ensured they would not survive by putting it explicitly on the band gun listing, the Clinton gun ban. But that, that gun. I'd say every single visit to the gun range at some point would go into full auto mode. And it, it would surprise a lot of people. Then when they saw what it was, they're like, yeah, okay, that makes sense. Cause it was not when you would expect it to happen, just like you're shooting single rounds, all of a sudden, like the fuck it shut off three rounds by itself.

Ben 1:47:33

And you watched I'm sure the Herrera video on the Fallout service rifle?

Gene 1:47:40

Mm hmm.

Ben 1:47:41

Yeah certain trigger mechanisms, in this case he was talking about three round burst, but the Calico trigger sear is also one of these that are just notoriously finicky, and you never know what they're really gonna do.

Gene 1:47:55

Yeah.

Ben 1:47:56

And part of that is because

Gene 1:47:58

blowback mechanism. They're more prone for that anyway.

Ben 1:48:01

Yes, it would delay it's a rocker delayed and part of the part of the problem Is that that rocker delay system on the nine millimeter or you get a slightly undercharged nine millimeter?

Gene 1:48:12

hmm.

Ben 1:48:12

will happen is that bolt won't go back far enough to engage the sear? But it'll go back far enough to load the next round and as that next round comes up the hammer's coming up, too And then you get that Fire

Gene 1:48:25

Yep, so I happily sold that gun So I didn't have to worry about it

Ben 1:48:31

Yeah.

Gene 1:48:31

Of course now I looked up what it's worth literally the gun that I sold to my buddy and who still has

Ben 1:48:37

think I'm the one who told you

Gene 1:48:39

Yeah, probably. Yeah, it was like nine thousand dollars.

Ben 1:48:42

It depends on the caliber. It depends on lots of things,

Gene 1:48:44

The one that I had I looked up It's nine grand is what they're selling for right now. I bought it for 500 And I sold it for 400.

Ben 1:48:54

Hmm. Yes we

Gene 1:48:57

me, never sell friends guns, cause you'll regret it.

Ben 1:49:00

And now with the ATF rule, you really don't want to sell a friend's

Gene 1:49:04

Oh god, no, no, you never want to sell a gun anymore,

Ben 1:49:07

and you certainly do not want to sell guns for the purpose of making a profit.

Gene 1:49:11

No, only at a loss that that somehow means

Ben 1:49:14

be motivated by a profit. Which, I don't know how you can be motivated to make a profit.

Gene 1:49:18

I guess what they're saying is the only people allowed to sell guns are widows selling off their husband's collections and they don't know how much these things are worth.

Ben 1:49:28

Yeah.

Gene 1:49:29

That's the exception. That's the loophole. The current loophole for gun sales from private individuals is you have to be a widow. And you have to have no clue of the value of the gun. So you'll sell it to the first person that gives you anything for it.

Ben 1:49:43

Yeah, and here's the thing though several states are challenging this already.

Gene 1:49:47

Yeah. Which is good.

Ben 1:49:49

hopefully we'll get some good decisions and it'll get

Gene 1:49:52

And, and what I hate is the, just the weasel tactics, the ATF uses, because all loose, all lawsuits coming in against ATF, they immediately argue. That there's no standing. That's like their default defect. You know what the fucking ATF has no standing creating laws. Okay. How about that?

Ben 1:50:14

Yeah.

Gene 1:50:16

I didn't vote from nobody voted for him. So how are they creating laws out of thin air?

Ben 1:50:22

Because Congress delegated their power in an unconstitutional manner and

Gene 1:50:25

And I don't even think they did that. I think what they delegated power to is the collection of taxes. That was it.

Ben 1:50:31

Yeah,

Gene 1:50:32

so you want to, you want to go after somebody that forgot to pay taxes. Okay. Do you get to tell people you can't have this? No, fuck you.

Ben 1:50:41

Yeah, on that note, Gene,

Gene 1:50:43

Are we done?

Ben 1:50:44

I think we're done.

Gene 1:50:46

All right, good enough. We'll see y'all next week.