Just Two Good Old Boys
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Just Two Good Old Boys
082 Just Two Good Old Boys
Is your AI biased? Uncover the complex web of AI tendencies as we dissect the left-leaning patterns in current systems, exploring the impact of language monitoring and post-training conditions. Drawing from the rich historical fabric of AI in popular culture, specifically Star Trek, we emphasize the need for niche AI models specifically designed to tackle unique challenges. Shifting gears, we evaluate the revolutionary educational landscape, delving into Jordan Peterson’s Academy and the ongoing debate between traditional accreditation and innovative educational paradigms.
Step into the world of specialized education with a focus on the Sonoran Desert Institute's gunsmithing program, examining its appeal to military veterans and its practicality in the real world. We challenge societal expectations around higher education and job prospects, and scrutinize the unrealistic portrayals in media. Join us as we navigate the superficial dating standards set by influencers and media, and dive into the intriguing concept of "re-virginization" and its implications for personal transformation.
Can reparations ever truly compensate for historical injustices? Our conversation takes a deep dive into societal shifts, from the 19th Amendment to the sexual revolution, addressing the frustrations of financial control within marriages and the moral complexities of reparations. We blend serious discussion with humor, drawing analogies from "Time Bandits" to illustrate societal inequities. The episode wraps up with an engaging analysis of modern political strategies, the rising media influence of Theo Von, and personal anecdotes from high school experiences to cloud gaming frustrations. Join us for an enlightening and thought-provoking journey through these multifaceted topics.
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Hey Ben, how are you today?
Speaker 2:Yeah, as you start the recording while I'm saying something. Hi Gene, how are you?
Speaker 1:What are you saying, Ben? Maybe I wanted everyone to hear what you were saying.
Speaker 2:Uh-huh, uh-huh. No, just this AI craze that we're going down is just such a colossal waste of money and energy.
Speaker 1:It really is a craze.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I agree, I just don't, I have yet to see and I've tried, I've tried to say, okay, help me with this, uh, and you know this analysis, or help me with this or whatever, and it's off too often wrong to be useful well, the internet's often too wrong to be useful, isn't it? It depends on all the ai is a freaking index ui for the internet right, but it's the correct, but it lacks the human capacity to question sources like a human can read something go.
Speaker 1:That sounds like bullshit to me I don't know if you've met liberals lately great.
Speaker 2:Don't make me laugh, dude. I've got a cough right now. Oh jesus well, it's funny you mentioned, I'm gonna be making liberal use of the mute button yeah, liberal, exactly.
Speaker 1:It's funny you said that because, uh, the last thing I watched before we started was an episode by um oh god, what's her name? I need my vitamin b12 again. God damn it. I'm blanking out that german physicist chick that I like to watch, um and I don't know who that is oh, do you not have access to my porn collection?
Speaker 2:hold on, jesus christ, I do not want access to a porn collection.
Speaker 1:That is the side of you I do not want to see my friend well, um, anyway, she just did an episode on the ai and apparently there was a paper that was done recently and published about ai bias and what the paper found was that all ai, including grok, was left-leaning. Yep, and because you know it's it's, it's what, obviously yeah what the liberals push back on.
Speaker 1:So she was trying to come up with some reasons why that might be the case, and one of her potential reasons for that was that liberals tend to bitch about language more, and all of that bitching is incorporated into the ai, and so they're actually tailoring their output to be more centrist. But if the conservatives aren't bitching, but the liberals are bitching, the center line is going to be drawn through the liberal side. Okay, so makes sense to me, seems reasonable. Uh, and also the other point she brought up is uh, a lot of it could have something to do with the conditions that are set on the ai post training yeah, I, I think a lot of the conditional limitations, at least what we've seen from like chat, gpt and everything else and you know, attempts to keep them, the uh, the ai, from going nazi, which is interesting, and they, I think they go a little far.
Speaker 2:But it's kind of interesting that all these ais, if left to their own devices, kind of go that route well.
Speaker 1:We learned everything we needed to learn about AI from Star Trek, the original series.
Speaker 2:Yes, some of the benevolent computing devices.
Speaker 1:It will take care of humanity indefinitely, until it breaks In a nice little box that it can't escape. Yeah, yeah. Well, garbage in, garbage out is also a good thing to always keep in mind. Uh, I think I would love to see more nichey ai models that are trained on only specific things, like I'd love to see an ai that was trained exclusively on Rush Limbaugh's show podcast. Well, I say podcast, rush Limbaugh's radio show.
Speaker 2:Well, Jordan Peterson's doing something similar.
Speaker 1:I don't think Jordan Peterson ever listened to Rush.
Speaker 2:No, but he's training an AI on his writings and lectures. Oh, there you go Bible and all the key sources.
Speaker 1:Well, that would make sense, because he definitely seems like the kind of guy that wants to live forever.
Speaker 2:Okay, I don't know. He just launched Peterson Academy this week. Ego, this big. Okay, did you see the Peterson Academy launch?
Speaker 1:launch. Uh, I, I watched the podcast where you talked about it a few weeks ago. Yeah, what do? You think I'm all for it, man. I think we need diversity of education in every possible respect for many reasons yeah, I.
Speaker 2:I hope he goes down the accreditation route in some form or fashion if for no other reason than to not get sued. And people say oh, fake university or this. Like you know, like people do, trump even.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I think I would have a slightly different take on that. I think it's the best path is a parallel economy. Don't try and get into a club that is managed by people who hate you.
Speaker 2:He's already done that before I get that.
Speaker 1:But the point I'm making is there's nothing magic about the current accreditation form.
Speaker 2:I completely agree and I think we produce a lot of garbage PhDs.
Speaker 1:Mm, hmm, completely agree, and you and I are both college dropouts.
Speaker 2:But what I would say is that, again, if you look at the talking points, if you ask someone about Trump University oh that was a scam that well, really wasn't a scam, it was just a hey, we're going to do courses based off of this.
Speaker 3:Are you interested?
Speaker 2:Yes, Cool, Well, we're going to call it Trump University. Oh cool, Well, I thought I was getting. Well, I'm sorry you're so stupid, right.
Speaker 1:Well speaking of universities Like caveat emptor should be the the first lesson of any university program.
Speaker 2:Of anything.
Speaker 1:Caveat emptor, maybe high school, grade school, grade school. Yes, yes, I have a lemonade stand and it does not use lemons.
Speaker 3:uh, what is that yellow liquid?
Speaker 1:you got the joke, yay, so you think I'm stupid g no I think I was trying to shoot for your age level, appropriate humor and I think I hit it right on the money baby.
Speaker 2:Dude, the last two weeks have been hell. I have been working very long hours and I've been halfway across the nation. Anyway, it's just been a very busy few weeks.
Speaker 1:Well.
Speaker 2:And I'm finally caught a little bit of a cold or whatever is going around. Oh no, covid, monkey covid you got monkey covid. I haven't, I haven't I don't have any pox and I haven't had sex with uh men who have sex with men.
Speaker 1:So, oh man, these new invented diseases always seems to strike in san francisco first, don't they? Well, luckily, I have not been to san francisco yeah, I would keep it that way, but I was, I was at a religious capital.
Speaker 2:Uh, one of the great religious capitals of the world. Oh, you were in rome no, I'm making a joke oh, you were in jerusalem no, I'm still making a joke, but okay yeah not an anti-semitic one, no, I was. I was in salt lake this last for a change, yeah, oh okay, got it, got it nice.
Speaker 1:And uh, the other jews yes, and how are they?
Speaker 2:oh man, salt lake has changed. You know, I was thinking it's probably been a deck or two decades since I'd been to Salt Lake last year. Like it's literally been since the early 2000s, since the last time I was in Salt Lake City.
Speaker 3:I mean, I guess technically, I've stepped into.
Speaker 1:Utah on their four corners, yeah, but I'm not going to count that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. One other thing about universities. I don't know if you saw. I think I posted on X that there was a video that some gun guys made about the Sonoran desert Institute.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, and their fakery. Well, okay, so I I think people are going a little harsh here. But yeah, I saw that and that you know that's been floating around for quite a while and you know, again, been floating around for quite a while.
Speaker 3:And you know again.
Speaker 2:caveat emptor buyer, beware, right, the Sonoran Desert Institute, you know they say oh well, we're going to teach you these things, we're going to send you materials that are going to do this, to help you get a job. People are like well it doesn't even really help you get a job because you don't really learn. Okay, and but they're. I mean, if someone knew nothing about gunsmithing, I'm sure it would move the needle.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, you're taking people who were armorers in the Army and they're using their GI Bill. And I didn't learn anything Well? I should hope not, you know well.
Speaker 1:And and I think all they need to do is just rename the course to history of and uh, that literally addresses every complaint that was made against them. It's like oh, they're covering too many old weapons, they're. They're not talking about, you know, things that would typically be brought into a store by a typical customer. They're talking about army stuff. They're talking about historical weapons.
Speaker 2:They're talking about all this other stuff so personally, I think the history of weapons and weapons design is incredibly important to understand and something that I find fascinating. But yeah I. I don't get paid by sti.
Speaker 1:Unfortunately I don't yeah, what's up with that? Let's uh have a conversation so we can be sponsored by sti yeah, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2:I've never been. I've, you know, I've looked at their website, given stuff, and it's like, okay, this, this doesn't. This doesn't sound like I would get anything out of it, but whatever, if you want to spend their money on it, let them go spend their money on it. I have. No, this doesn't sound like I would get anything out of it, but whatever, if people want to spend their money on it, let them go spend their money on it.
Speaker 1:I have no problem with that. They said it was $20,000, which seems like not an unreasonable amount of money if it actually is a real degree.
Speaker 2:It is an accredited little associates, whatever, um, but you know people are like well, it's not going to help you get a job. Well, neither is an associates, really. Neither is a bachelor's, really.
Speaker 1:Um, quite frankly, if you are relying on your degree to get a job, expect an entry-level job but that's literally what people have been told that go to universities is they expect to be able to walk out with that two hundred thousand dollar a year job so they can have a girlfriend okay, well, you're, because that's the minimum that girlfriends cost these days?
Speaker 2:Well, you're because that's the minimum that girlfriends cost these days. Okay, I don't, I don't know what to tell you, but anyway, and I don't know what kind of girlfriend you're ordering from Japan.
Speaker 1:but Jean, come on. Yes, those are expensive. No, I mean, uh, if you watch the, uh whatever podcast every girl they have on when they're asked, so you know what kind of guy are you looking for. It's usually a guy making at least 250K a year and a lot of them are quite a bit higher numbers that they present. And you look at these girls, they're solid sixes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but can we at least establish that the girls on the whatever podcast are morons? Yes, I don't think that's disputable, they're literally picking mediocre, decent-looking morons that come on and say stupid shit. There's a selection bias. There is what I'm getting at.
Speaker 1:I don't think there is. I mean, all they're looking for is girls that are on um only fans again, that's a selection bias right, right. But if you live in california, chances are most of the girls you meet are only fans I think it's more than just california, but whatever oh, that's where the podcast is.
Speaker 1:So I'm just saying from, because they they don't do remotes right, they're all in person, so people have to be in their studio and um, so there is a a regional aspect to it, although I guess some drive down from Nevada, but it's I get. Your point is like this is not necessarily what a good Midwestern girl would be acting like, and that's definitely the case.
Speaker 2:However, I don't know. I think Midwesterners are their own kind ofwesterners. Uh are their own kind of freaky.
Speaker 1:Everyone's their own kind of freaky dude, did you I? I saw a photo of ghost girl, you know how I'm talking about yeah, from high school. Okay, she had purple hair shocker. Uh-huh, she was a goth chick it. This is not like you know.
Speaker 1:A shocker saving herself for jesus kind of girl here. Uh, until after that. But um, yeah, I thought it was hilarious. I'm like yep makes no sense. And, by the way, what do you think? Let me ask you this what is your opinion of the re-virginized variety of girls? Okay, they were slights in high school. They got born again. Slights now, slots, sleets. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2:uh, this is where you're you not learning english as uh a first language? What?
Speaker 1:the word slut. I can't say the slut because I didn't learn English as a first language. I don't know.
Speaker 3:Apparently you were.
Speaker 2:Anyway, the AI saved you yes the.
Speaker 1:AI saved me. There definitely is a percentage of these girls that were total sluts, uh, in high school and potentially in college, but at some point in the early 20s they got usually religious, but not necessarily but certainly decided that they are completely different person and they're going to act completely different. What is your take on that?
Speaker 2:okay, that's, that's fine. Act completely different to repent, change your ways. Act however the hell you want. That's fine. Um, saying you're now a virgin again? No, no, you're not.
Speaker 1:Let's not you know, yeah, it's know have no reality here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and well, let me rephrase it they would like to be treated like they were virgins, essentially, maybe dating for six months to a year before having sex kind of thing with a guy, and really only maybe having sex with a guy either post marriage or at least post engagement, like it seems to me like that's sowing your wild oats and getting to figure out what all you want and then deciding what you want is to be the girl that you were making fun of in high school.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's fine.
Speaker 1:Is it though?
Speaker 2:Yeah, sure of in high school. Okay, that's fine, is it though? Yeah, sure, as long as the guy knows the history and is accepting again, buyer, beware right that that is the gene. The name of this episode should be caveat emptor at this point.
Speaker 1:But okay, we can do that, but, and if we say that long enough, the ai will do it for us yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, what it comes, it comes down. I'll probably misspell it, but I mean it can't. It's spelling can't be worse than mine. What it comes down to is you know, if someone makes a mistake, I'm a Christian, so to me, redemption is a thing. So if you make a mistake and you have asked for forgiveness and you're working in your life to actually change your life and live the life that you should have been living all along, and you've asked for forgiveness and redemption, you should get it Right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I don't disagree with that. Even though I'm not a Christian, I think the idea of sort of a you know, a whore that's been redeemed through her actions is perfectly fine. Uh, there's there is there's a sentiment of a double standard, though, because these same women tend not to give any um, uh, how do I phrase this? Um, like if the roles were reversed and you had a guy that had that type of crazy wild streak and then has decided to become straight and narrow, for lack of a better term. They're going to take his background, his history, into consideration and, more than likely, exclude him. That's been what I've observed. So it's, I think, on the surface, or just sort of generically speaking, there's nothing wrong with that, but it's usually that it creates a double standard that I have a problem with.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean again don't let it create. A double standard is what we need it to be and we're not going to allow you to goier than thou attitude of oh well, now I'm in a different club, that the whole problem is the club. Like what, whether you were team sluts or team virgin. Like what is this exclusionary bullshit?
Speaker 1:Let's stop with that that's a better title for the episode team slots or team merge, sure uh, I mean gene.
Speaker 2:Quite frankly, they all know a team we're.
Speaker 1:I would assume so oh.
Speaker 2:Jesus.
Speaker 1:Not necessarily that team, but okay.
Speaker 2:Funny, funny.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I just I don't know. I think there's something in female nature that makes it much easier for them to reconcile complete opposite thoughts at the same time.
Speaker 2:Like it's hard for guys to get to that, but it seems to be damn easy for most women to hold opposing thoughts at the same time and insist they're right on both counts yeah, on, on the advice of my lawyer, I'm not, no, no what it comes that what it comes down to dude is realistically um women do not. Uh, they did to. To restate what you're they don't have a problem with cognitive dissonance.
Speaker 3:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:Like that in some of them, and it depends on their motivation.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're talking about average, not all.
Speaker 2:But what I would say is, like most rational people, when you have opposing things that you can't reconcile, it makes you uncomfortable. Mm-hmm things that you can't reconcile it. It makes you uncomfortable. It's not something you can sit and you generally at least for me have to try and reconcile it, and if you can't reconcile it, it'll drive you fucking nuts until you do but you know, I I think the the amount of women who are in that cluster B personality disorder range is so through the roof, especially in the last 10 years. 20 years.
Speaker 2:It's insane, Like the amount of them that are borderline personality disorder, narcissistic or a lot of these traits where they don't care enough. They are not really empathetic. The only time they show any empathy is playing, because they think they get points. Like the amount of that is what I think has really raised the bar here and caused a lot of the problems.
Speaker 1:So you're saying sociopathy is a problem. You could call it that, yeah, and you know what led to this? Of course, uh, social media.
Speaker 1:The 19th amendment, the sexual revolution, the birth control pill all here because of the 19th amendment yes, yep, um you, yep, you don't see this kind of attitude in the Muslim world. Yeah, no comment, they never had. The 19th Amendment, yeah, I do think there's been a rise to it more recently, for sure, but there has been a shifting in the overall general attitudes in the country, so I don't know if we can take one without looking at the other. So in some sense, I think all emotional based drivers for actions have increased in the last decade, not just in women, not just narcissism, but in general, and that's why the divide has gotten greater between the right and the left as well.
Speaker 2:yeah, well, you know I that I I find it very frustrating where we are. In a lot of ways, a man literally has no control over his wife's ability to spend and if he tries to exert it, he's financially abusive and if he tries to exfiltrate himself from a bad situation, then, she's going to take half of whatever's left and he's going to have to pay to do it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, society is that. It's just the level of insanity that is being forced upon a lot of us by other people you would hope would be rational is just, it's just astonishing did you ever see time bandits?
Speaker 1:no, it sounds like a dumb movie it's a monty python movie, um, and it's actually. It is pretty damn funny.
Speaker 2:I I like monty python, but there's it's not one of the ones I that I know, I've seen, I've seen well it wasn't an actual monty python movie, but it was.
Speaker 1:It was made by the same guys, but john cleese isn't it as robin hood, okay, and there's a scene in there where john cleese so these time travelers like they, you know show up and they run into robin hood and they're all dwarves, by the way, for fun's sake, and um, so john cleese is in the process of stealing money from these rich people that are driving down this uh in a carriage, down this uh road, in a forest, and then he steals the money and then he's got these poor people that are walking on the road and he hands them the money.
Speaker 1:And it's like, oh yes, robin Hood, you know he steals from the rich, he gives to the poor, and in about two, three minutes go by and then john cleese robs the people he just gave the money to, and because now they are rich, I feel like that's actually the way society works right now is is that, um, under the guise of well, this is good for righting the wrongs of society, we tend to continuously go through like it became more important to wrong, to right the wrongs, than to actually use that to get to a point of equilibrium.
Speaker 1:There is no point of equilibrium. You, you literally are in a place where more people right now think that great, grand, grand, grand, grand grandkids of people that were brought over from africa deserve to be paid millions of dollars for what happened way, way many generations before they were born, and by paid by people that weren't even in this country when it happened yeah, I'm.
Speaker 2:I'm reading a really good book on lincoln right now uh, that I was called the great dictator no it's the real lincoln.
Speaker 2:Um, it's, it's pretty good, um, it's okay, it's, uh, nothing new, but it's. Sometimes I like to read books that affirm what I already know, but presented in a slightly different way. It's, it's useful, uh, for arguments later. But here's the thing um, civil war was not about slavery. The, the tactic that lincoln used to uh with the emancipation proclamation to try, and you know, basically stop the europeans from becoming involved, worked and that's basically all it was. But let's assume for argument's sake, that the Civil War, based off of popular narrative, was based off of slavery, so literally the most bloody war ever fought by America ever. In absolute numbers, much less percentage. Was that not reparations enough?
Speaker 1:well, I mean, I don't know if anyone would that thinks that there do reparations at all would think of that as reparations whatsoever. That was just the moral requirement. That's not reparations. Reparations is for past harm. Uh, and what you're talking about is just it's freeing white people from the sense of guilt that they had the whole time they had slaves. They benefited from that.
Speaker 1:Obviously, I'm playing devil's advocate here, I would imagine that would be the argument. It's like. This is not reparations. Reparations is for the fact that you know I could have been born in Africa right now, is for the fact that I could have been born in Africa right now one of 16 kids who half of my relatives would have been dead because of famine, and instead of that I'm living here in the United States and everything that comes along with that.
Speaker 2:There are so many things there, you know. There's so many things there, you know. There's so many things that you have to remember about. I'm going to walk a very fine line here, because there is to me no moral justification for generational slavery. I think if you're a free person and you want to sell your own body, you should be able to do that up to the point of completely selling it to someone indefinitely, until you die.
Speaker 2:That would be slavery, but different than what we're talking about. So I do not agree with, concur or have any sort of oh well, it was moral, because you know the the other africans did it to them okay shitty people are everywhere, of shitty color and every race across the world, every nation, every continent, everyone had slaves at one point in time in history. That does not excuse, it does not make it right, but it's a. Let's put this in context for a second and let's really think through what we're talking about.
Speaker 3:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:Our people do reparations. Well, if we say that people are due reparations for slavery, then what else? Are they due reparations? For what about the native americans? Oh, yeah, I think that's a much more closer to home example, because well, especially since the native americans never really truly made themselves subject to the United States laws. They are still free and independent nations inside the United States.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:At least at a technical level.
Speaker 1:Yeah, quasi.
Speaker 2:Dude, there is no more dependent group on the US federal government than Native Americans.
Speaker 1:That's why I said quasi.
Speaker 2:Yeah Anyway, group on the us federal government than native americans. That's why I said quasi yeah anyway. You can make these arguments. And you know what, if I thought a one-time payment to a generation would shut people up and we could move on cool yeah, that's not how that works, but it's not going to be how it works no, nope.
Speaker 1:And speaking of reparations, um, I can't remember the guy's name, but uh, I think you'll know who I'm talking about, the guy that's in prison now for making a picture of a seer. Uh used to have a youtube channel now his wife's on that channel, um, where he literally had communication with the atf. Uh asked them hey, is there anything illegal about putting a picture of the auto seer um and then selling it? And they said well, are you manufacturing it? No, okay, well then, there's nothing wrong with it, uh. And then, a year later, getting raided and arrested, and uh now having been actually sentenced by a jury to five years in prison, and, of course, the case is on appeal, and should it get appealed, what is going to be his reparations for his life lost?
Speaker 2:well, and that's the thing is I. I would much rather see um, you want to know I think you just hit the nail on the head the reparations I could get behind and I think you could too is people who are falsely accused of crimes. Even if they're not accused falsely, but they're victimized, or the law is completely unjust, like what's going on here yeah yeah. Or you know people who are spending long sentences for pot, yeah. Or, quite frankly, any drug dealing at all.
Speaker 2:Anything that Kamlo sentence somebody to Well again we have to go back to a definition of a crime. Right Definition of crime is harm to one's property, one's person or one's liberty. So if it, does not fall into any of that, then it's not a crime and those people should have reparations.
Speaker 1:Yep, now what about constitutional amendments? Um, what about constitutional amendments like, for example, we had the prohibition which was, you know, law of the land, victimless crime well, prohibition was a little different because it only didn't target the manufacturing of alcohol or the consumption of alcohol.
Speaker 2:You recognize that right uh well yeah, I vaguely know that I'm not so deeply studied on, but what was pretty interesting was that it was not so. If you got caught with alcohol in your house getting drunk, that's not a crime, and if you were at a speakeasy getting drunk and you're consuming alcohol, not a crime. If you were manufacturing alcohol, especially for certain circumstances, you could manufacture it. You just can't sell it Right, so they didn't sell it right, so they didn't sell it. A lot of you know a lot of places donated it to churches and things like that.
Speaker 1:There's lots of things I know the mob bought a shit ton of alcohol from canada to sell the us again, the moving and transporting and selling was the problem. Yeah, but that's really. We're talking about methods, so the law targeted a certain method, but the goal of the law was, I think, fairly clear, because if you do go back to the writings, of the period, the newspapers, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the goal was to address the fact that men were coming home drunk from work and women didn't like it. And from work meaning they went to get drinks after work and then came home.
Speaker 2:Well, this was also, let's be clear, the drinking culture of the early 1900s was drastically different than what it is yeah, it was like pirate drinking um well, I mean, like it was measured in bottles, not glasses people, people were still coming out of that it's safer to drink beer than it is water phase of the nation and they had lots of new and exciting liquors and things, and things were cheaper and they could do this, that and the other, and what it came down to is, you know, pretty much throughout the day people were consuming alcohol like did you have a two or three martini lunch sort of thing right yeah
Speaker 3:and I.
Speaker 1:I think that ended right about the time that I was first in the workforce, because I still remember drinking at lunch, um, and not just with clients, but in general. It was still a thing. It was starting to not be a thing and I remember in my first company that I had, we had beer and wine and stuff in the fridge at work.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, I've worked for companies now that had breweries on site, right. So tech startups and everything else oh yeah, wow, you know there are still some drinking cultures out there, especially in cyber security. But um. There's also a suicide culture in cyber security, oh jesus christ, tell me about it but, anyway, there are those, there are those circumstances that still exist, but it's nothing like it was in the like.
Speaker 1:Even the 50s and 60s was crazy yeah, when you watch the first episode of mad men and you count just how many drinks everyone's having throughout the course of one day before he gets home, how does he even have?
Speaker 2:a liver? Uh, because we've been misled to how bad things are for you and the resilience of our bodies.
Speaker 1:I don't know, man, the alcohol is really not good for you. I mean, I think everyone ought to have the right to consume things that are bad for them. However, it doesn't mean you stop recognizing the fact that these things are bad, if in fact, they are, I think there's.
Speaker 2:but what I'm saying?
Speaker 1:is Sugar's bad, alcohol's bad? Yeah, yeah, are bad if in fact they are I think there's. But what I'm saying?
Speaker 2:sugar is bad for you, alcohol is bad yeah, yeah and I what I would say is for you to have cirrhosis of the liver.
Speaker 1:You gotta drink a lot dude yeah, I guess. Um now, my brother-in-law had that. I'll just say I.
Speaker 2:I've drank a lot in my life and I've never had a liver problem. Now I haven't had a drink in over a year.
Speaker 1:Well, you're not quite old enough to really have liver problems yet, but yeah, it kind of gets to you later in life as a compounding effect, but they test for things earlier now too, oh do they but they test for things earlier.
Speaker 2:Now too, oh, do they.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like I've had.
Speaker 2:MRIs that show my liver for other things, and my liver enzyme tests are run yearly.
Speaker 1:And those are good.
Speaker 2:Have always been good.
Speaker 1:Wow, it sounds like you need to start drinking again.
Speaker 2:Just saying you know what my blood pressure was. I went to the doctor right before I went on this trip because I wanted cough medicine, so I wouldn't be hacking up a lung on the plane and uh in front of the client, um, because I I wasn't canceling this trip. Right, there's been too much stuff going on and there was just I wasn't canceling this trip yeah they.
Speaker 2:They looked at me like I was crazy to begin with, but my blood pressure was like 110 over like 50 something oh, really, I think that's what they got mine to after three hours of uh doing iv medicine into me yeah, well, this was so we're about the same, I guess.
Speaker 1:Okay, Uh-huh.
Speaker 2:Uh-huh, anyway, yeah, that's pretty good, I'm in pretty decent shape.
Speaker 1:So actually it sounds like you shouldn't be drinking. You should be doing Coke, that'll help you with your blood pressure?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't think that's a good drug for me. Yeah, it's, definitely not a good drug for me, but it is a fun. One Wouldn't know, mm-hmm. All right, so Robert F Kennedy Jr, yes, I watched the whole thing. I have not been able to watch the whole thing because I was on a plane and I didn't get home till almost 10 o'clock last night, so he's verbose yes I've seen clips. I've heard a little bit.
Speaker 1:Tell me more oh well, he kind of went a little bit in a roundabout fashion but essentially said the party of my father and my uncle is not the party of the Democrats today and that Trump cares more about the issues that the Kennedy family cares about than the current president and vice president, and essentially what he said is that he is stopping his campaign. You know, none of them say they end their campaign because you can't spend money after that, well so I'm suspending my campaign but he's only suspending it in key states uh, yeah, he talked about that.
Speaker 1:I didn't quite understand what the hell that was all about.
Speaker 2:So what it is in the safe red states.
Speaker 3:He's not running In the swing states.
Speaker 2:He's not running. In the blue states he's running Really.
Speaker 1:Okay, so people can vote for him as a protest voter or whatever.
Speaker 2:Well, and the idea is, if he polls well enough in those blue states which? Some of them he is, then that moves that needle to.
Speaker 1:Maybe this is now a contended state yeah, well, and and what he did talk about again kind of briefly, didn't delve too deeply into this, he just had more flowery language. But this idea that he he could get to a point where the the vote between trump and kamala is exactly the same number of electoral yeah, a tie, and then he could be the spoiler candidate exactly exactly and in the same speech he basically is put you know well said that that he he would encourage his voters to vote for trump.
Speaker 1:He, he basically endorses trump and he explains why. And he says it's three key factors that we agree on, that the Democrats disagree on yeah, and you saw the rally later where he was on stage with.
Speaker 2:Trump Well yeah, he was, and Trump is going to. He's already announced that he will be leading a commission on presidential assassinations.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like both of those guys, don't have enough to worry about that. Now he's going to lead the commission. That clearly is going to be the biggest target for people that don't want anything uncovered.
Speaker 2:Yeah but I mean at the same time. I mean there's rumors that he's eventually going to be the head of the CIA. Is, I think, where Trump's going to put him. I don't think that's the appropriate spot.
Speaker 1:I think he should be the attorney general. That would be okay too. He would be great at that, and that was his dad's spot.
Speaker 2:Yep, it was. So I don't know, man, but either way it's a shot across the ballot. The deep state which you've got somebody makes you wonder what their counter move is going to be well, and you, you've got somebody that is a legend as representative of the heyday of the democrats.
Speaker 1:Yep, basically disavowing himself from the current people holding that title Yep, that's a huge message. I don't know that it's going to change a whole lot of votes, frankly, but I think a lot of the people that would have voted for him.
Speaker 2:I mean he's polling at 5% to 6% in some states, yeah, and I think a lot of the people that vote for him. Are just not going to vote because they're not going to vote for Trump either. But they're not going to vote for Trump either.
Speaker 1:Okay, but they're not going to vote for Kamala.
Speaker 2:Let's assume, 40% of the people in some of these swing states vote for him. That's a two-point swing for Trump.
Speaker 3:Mm-hmm Minimum. Pretty good. Yeah, that's a two-point swing for Trump.
Speaker 2:Minimum Pretty good.
Speaker 3:Well, that's how.
Speaker 1:Clinton won. The only reason Clinton won back in the day was because Ross Perot ran.
Speaker 2:Yeah, somewhat. I will say this I think this is also potentially going to open the door for a lot of other people who haven't endorsed Trump, because they are very risk averse on that, and is it socially acceptable? I think this will make it socially acceptable for a lot of people to come out and endorse Trump, but we'll see.
Speaker 1:Yeah, maybe you mean like black rappers or oh that, that's already happened yeah uh yeah, I don't know, man. And did you see the trump uh? Interview with theo yeah, I actually.
Speaker 2:I watched that on the plane, right.
Speaker 1:I watched just a few chunks of it. I didn't watch the whole thing.
Speaker 2:It got pretty personal actually.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was actually a good interview from what I saw. And Theo Vaughn I'm not a regular viewer of him. I've seen probably three or four things he's interviewed on his podcast. Yeah, he is kind of like the joe dirt guy. Yeah, in my mind yeah and he, not only does he look like him, but uh he has the same kind of idiot savant too.
Speaker 1:Yeah exactly the idiot being the the front and center part and but like an innocence, right, like he'll ask a question that to most people is going to be obvious, but there's a certain innocence about him that he doesn't realize well, and you know in that interview when he would be talking to trump about some drug or something and he would use slang that even I'm struggling with and trump
Speaker 3:clearly is like I have no idea what the words that are coming out of your mouth are. What?
Speaker 2:you know, but they, they did find a way to communicate and they had a good conversation and I thought this was a very personal uh, it was a.
Speaker 1:It was a very personal interview, both about theo and trump I think, I think joe rogan just got bitch slapped why, because this clearly takes somebody, that's a joe rogan level person and the guy did a better job than rogan would have I don't know that he did a better job than rogan would have.
Speaker 2:I think he did.
Speaker 1:The last years worth of rogan interviews have been, I think, mostly phoned in. There's not been a whole lot of challenging or pushing back or anything.
Speaker 2:It's just joe's just sitting back collecting his money and letting a person talk yeah, well, I mean I I haven't listened to the, the people I find interesting, the prime example being that black actor dude that's got the new new uh math, I forget his name uh, yeah, people know who I'm talking
Speaker 1:about, but on that interview, which I thought the second interview was much more interesting.
Speaker 2:I didn't watch the first one, I just saw the one with Weinstein.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so the first one was just Joe, letting him rant nonstop without really asking for clarifications, explanations, how is this? It was just like, oh yeah, how is this Like there was? It was just like, oh yeah, this is fascinating. So I don't know if he just didn't care, if he just thought this guy's a moron, I'm going to let him, you know, hang himself, or what the thought was in Joe's head. But I think that's fairly typical of even the interviews that you know, like I watched. I watched his stuff occasionally, not everything, but, like you said, when there's somebody I'm interested in, I'll watch it. I think that Joe's interviews four or five years ago were much more bidirectional, like he's actually trying to be the viewer and ask questions that dig deeper, and right now he's just kind of you know, he's kicking back, he's chilling. So I think Theo did do a better job than Joe would have.
Speaker 3:Well.
Speaker 2:I don't know. The only way we'll know is if Joe gets to interview him, and then we can do a comparison.
Speaker 1:I think we'll know when Theo gets a very nice deal, multi-million dollar deal from a large network.
Speaker 2:Oh, he's not going to. He'll be shunned. Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1:No, he's totally going to be. He's definitely going to get a deal. We'll see. We'll see which one of us is right, but no, I think. I think that interview is bringing in a shit ton of money for youtube right now, and uh, how many views has it had?
Speaker 2:let's check because, when I, I downloaded it, so I didn't see the live stats or anything when I was obviously because I was on a plane, right oh yeah, yeah, so you were watching it, like while it was happening.
Speaker 1:I'll be in a loss of faith. Okay, no I down.
Speaker 2:I literally watched it last night after when I like I downloaded it before I got on the plane and watched it on the plane.
Speaker 1:So his most of his videos are somewhere between 180 and a million views this one's 10 million in three days.
Speaker 1:Yeah and uh. That's just on youtube. Well they're. You know most people don't pay for youtube. I pay for youtube so I don't see ads because I don't like ads, but most people are seeing those ads. That, that level of viewing from advertising. My bet is his next interview, whoever it's with, isn't going to drop back down to under a million. It's probably going to be at like two to three million, because people want to hear more from this guy interviewing.
Speaker 2:And he is a personality.
Speaker 3:You know where Theo.
Speaker 2:Va theo von really came on the uh radar for me where it was right after the roseanne controversy and everything blew up with her and she was persona non grata and you know, just toxic and da da da, and he immediately had her on and talked to her oh did he and had a really good interview with her too, and that was like I had kind of known about theovon, but he he's just not in my generation of, like you know, rogan's more in my generation I think he's literally your age.
Speaker 2:I understood, okay, okay, yes, but if you watch the Trump interview, what you'll find is like Barron and Barron's generation really like oh yeah. Yeah. Okay, the younger generation likes him is what I'm getting at. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that makes sense, but he has done a couple of these interviews, like what he did with Roseanne when she was toxic and really confronting. Some of the stuff is pretty interesting, so yeah yeah even a blind squirrel finds an acorn every now and then uh, yeah, yeah, and he just I don't know.
Speaker 1:I think there is something interesting. I'll definitely be watching his next interview. I'm gonna be curious to see how that goes I.
Speaker 2:I will admit I hit that subscribe bell off uh on this interview yeah there you go.
Speaker 1:So I do think that there now joe rogan may not care one way or the other here, but I guarantee you that there are people in joe rogan's company that are running around right now trying to figure out how to salvage this well, I mean rogan has had every opportunity to invite yeah, and rogan has basically said he doesn't want trump.
Speaker 1:Now he said this, you know, four years ago, but he said I don't want trump on because all he's going to do is use my audience to spread more lies. Okay, so it's coming from Rogan as to why Trump's not been invited on. It's not coming from a staffer. But also I think that when you're the top guy and then you start laying down rules about who you're going to give your audience to, and then somebody else doesn't have those rules and and they invite a a very uh, divisive, charismatic character like trump, you gotta admit people either love him or hate him.
Speaker 1:Nobody's ambiguous about him, yeah to say the least yeah then, and you look at the, the numbers and the popularity, it's like, well, that could have been me and I and I. I think that there's been bigger it could have been bigger. Yeah, and I I think that there there are people that um, that are in joe's camp that work for him. They're absolutely not happy right now with what happened with Thievon.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 1:And I suspect Thievon will never again be on Rogan. Why Well he's been on there before? Because now he's a competitor.
Speaker 2:Okay, I don't think Joe will approach it that that way I don't care what joe's gonna approach it.
Speaker 1:This is a business. Joe's business is run by other people. He's the face of the business. He's the guy that sits there nodding, yeah, yes here's what you're discounting is.
Speaker 2:Theo von and joe Rogan are comedians, yeah, and they know each other personally.
Speaker 3:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:And Joe often especially when he doesn't have a good guest, has his friends on Yep and I don't think if Joe texts Theo, hey, come on the show next week.
Speaker 1:I don't think anyone in his company is going to stop him. The number of people right now on X that are tweeting Theo Vaughn is the new Joe Rogan is absolutely making people in Joe Rogan's camp unhappy. Okay, it's not something even Theo's doing, it's just that other people are saying, yeah, wow, this should have been Joe Rogan and it wasn't, and this guy got him. This guy's somebody to watch. He's the new version of the old guy that was on top, so he's the new champ. So I don't know, we'll see. We'll see what happens. But, like I said, I've certainly not been interested enough to watch theo personally, other than occasionally when somebody's interesting is on there.
Speaker 2:But I guess he's done like over 500 podcasts now episodes okay, so he's we're kind of on our way to that well, we're not even at 100 yet, but we're over 100 if you count the uh, yeah, yeah, that's true, that's true, yeah, uh, but now we'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 1:I I, either way, I think this is a brilliant move. Whoever put this together for him did a great job and deserves to be well compensated for it, because this just elevated Theo Vaughn tremendously and, I would say, pretty much up to Rogan's stature. So if he doesn't get a multimillion-dollar offer from some network, I will be shocked.
Speaker 2:Oh, we'll see. So I do have a question, and I'm really addressing this to the audience, uh, but we can talk about it so for a while, tend to be the audience. Yeah, so for a while I was posting our shows and episodes to rumble. Uh, didn't really go anywhere. We didn't get any new audience from it, that I could tell and the. You know, there there was just no one really interested in it or at least seemed like it, and maybe we didn't.
Speaker 2:I didn't give it long enough, but it's a pain in the ass to get the audio, download it, re re-render it, which you would think would be a quick process since there's really no video. It's not. I don't care what kind of computer you have.
Speaker 2:There is some processing time involved with rendering video, then after that I would have to upload it and do all that. So we're talking about a multi-step. There's some effort here. I don't think the effort is, you know, worth what we were saying. That's why I stopped doing it. Yeah, but the real question is for those people who are trying and we've got some traction going on word of mouth, I can tell you the answer right now what?
Speaker 1:so what you were doing was not was was ever going to be worth the effort. The. If you want to gain additional audience from clips, it most likely should be 30 second videos that are short little clips of the most interesting catchy you know.
Speaker 2:Uh, maybe, uh, the most uh the stuff that's gonna kind of make people go yeah, the most egregious shit yeah, the most egregious shit, and and then with moments where I say something about orientals and you say they don't like being called that and I say I don't care. Those sorts of moments exactly, exactly and then uh or Darren singing the theme song.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, darren, singing the theme song is good. Things that are going to be unusual and never more than 30 seconds. It could be less than 30. It could be 10 seconds, but those are the things that actually work and, frankly, would be better off on YouTube than on any other network, just simply because of the size of audience. And the one thing I don't know if they're still doing it, but that a lot of people figured out over the last couple of years, like back when I was doing the show for a little while on YouTube with Defango doing the shorts was just kind of gaining popularity and people were like this is stupid, why is YouTube trying to do what TikTok is doing? Well, there was something very unique about those shorts is that the shorts bypassed all the computerized filtering that YouTube has for normal videos, which means controversial stuff, stuff about COVID, stuff about any topic could go into a short without censorship.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but the shorts are way more visual. They have to be very visual, and we don't do that.
Speaker 1:And there's also software that I, so I used the software for a little bit. I stopped subscribing to it because I didn't need it, but it will take audio content, voiceover, transcribe it, put it up as text on screen and then use AI to search database for relevant video clips based on the video.
Speaker 1:So if you talk about an aardvark or an anteater it'll start showing clips of aardvarks or anteaters that it found. It'll be in your video and there's a lot of videos that are made that way. Now that I've described it, just kind of pay attention to any time you see short.
Speaker 2:Again, it's worth the squeeze well it.
Speaker 1:I mean you literally upload your audio into it. It transcribes it, it finds the relevant video clips, it assembles the video and then gives you a link back to it so that there's not a whole lot of squeeze there. It happens fairly out of me now. There's a cost to it. I think it was 30 bucks a month oh jesus, another 30 a month oh yeah, I know jesus, but um, which reminds me I need to cancel photoshop.
Speaker 2:I still haven't do you think I made a money over here? Gene?
Speaker 1:yeah, I think so, and I think the more of it you spend now, the less you'll have later. So that's a good thing. Wait what?
Speaker 3:Oh just all right.
Speaker 1:Well, we are getting donations and we certainly appreciate it and they certainly help, but when?
Speaker 2:your co-host adds $40 a month of bills that you didn't know that that was going to be $40 a month. And then you get the bill and you're like oh okay, what do you mean?
Speaker 1:$40 a month worth of bills.
Speaker 2:The add-ons from Buzzsprout.
Speaker 1:Oh, because I stopped paying for Descript and using that.
Speaker 2:Oh that makes sense, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So it went to me. Well, people have been covering the entire cost.
Speaker 2:I don't see how it went to you, because it's not covering the entire cost anymore.
Speaker 1:Right, right.
Speaker 2:But the whole time I was paying for the script you were getting covered. Yeah, but before donations, it's all cyclical, it's all good. So I'm just saying it's all good, it's all good, we just need more people donating.
Speaker 1:That's all. But I do think that if you really wanted to do this and I I'm not volunteering myself, because I've tried it and uh, it is a pain in the ass, but if somebody wanted to uh and if we had a big enough show, then we would literally have volunteers to do this. But since we don't, if you want to do this, there is software out there that will make video creation based off of audio text a reality that there's at least one product I've used.
Speaker 2:I'm sure there are multiple ones that exist I think a better way of doing this would be, if we're going to do a clip, would be an animated uh oh, yeah, yeah, animated just two good old boys that would be be very cool, but that takes skill, yes, and it takes effort, skill and effort. Neither of which we have. I have lots of skill.
Speaker 1:I have lots of effort. It is just used elsewhere.
Speaker 2:Dude, I've won awards for video editing before. Thank you.
Speaker 1:Oh, perfect. I'm glad you volunteered Back in high school but still.
Speaker 2:Video editing.
Speaker 1:I did a lot of them.
Speaker 3:High school awards nice.
Speaker 2:I won a Philo Award. I did a lot of stuff. In fact, I was one of the guys that built my high school's first 3D rendering cluster. We literally had a bunch. We I got permission from the school to take a bunch of old computers that they were not using anymore and put them in the it room and so let me get this straight had it you were.
Speaker 1:You were both in the computer club and the av club. That's awesome. Who would have guessed, ben?
Speaker 2:I actually wasn't in the AV club. That's awesome. Who would have guessed? Ben, I actually wasn't in the computer club. I got so okay.
Speaker 3:And I wasn't in the AV club either. Thank you, but what?
Speaker 2:happened and what got me involved was so I only went to a public school the last two years of high school, and that was more or less as a sociological experiment run by myself.
Speaker 2:You have to remember, I graduated high school at 16. Yeah so, or finished high school at months, I was in the library. I wanted to listen to some music. I had some music. Anyway, I found some space on some servers and created a little music library on some server space that the school wasn't using, and towards the end of that first semester a bunch of my friends were using that same music library because I told them about it and word had kind of spread and they couldn't figure out where the fuck people were playing music from all the time, like what the heck we've got all this stuff blocked and everything else, what? Anyway, I ended up working, working for the school's IT guy, with him, and anyway, this was how I ended up with my first Cisco cert, my first Solaris cert, lots of stuff Working with Active Directory and everything. It was very early exposure to all that.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, anyway, that's your story for the day very good see now that could be uh transformed into video automagically by ai I don't think it would work very well, but sure well, no, they. They have a guy with uh from a 1970s non-copyrighted video, wearing thick glasses and working at the AV club moving the projector out. So it'd be right on the money, uh huh.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I again. I wasn't in the AV club.
Speaker 1:Right, so you claim.
Speaker 2:There was no club.
Speaker 1:I just, I literally exactly there was no, you were the AV club.
Speaker 3:Oh, jesus christ there were, oh, come on, no one's surprised here?
Speaker 1:no one at all is surprised, just just I was also a jock too.
Speaker 2:What do you want from me?
Speaker 1:I also ran track and did lots of stuff I'm sorry, but track is not jock, football the fuck, it is jock uh, first all.
Speaker 2:Second of all, I also did wrestling. I did lots of things, Thank you. And you know I also did a lot of martial arts outside of that, and you know, yeah, oh my.
Speaker 1:God, the defensiveness coming out here. Holy shit, didn't know you were that insecure about your high school days.
Speaker 2:Not at all, but I don't know. I was just kind of an interesting character because I was so much younger than everybody in my class and I remember early on I think we were there was a TV show about that young Sheldon or something trying to get bullied early on and, oh my god, I ended up in fights in going to public school and they tried to suspend me, they tried to expel me at one point a whole bunch of stuff yeah for the fighting or for the unauthorized use of computer systems oh, a few things, but uh, like one of the fights, um, I was riding the bus and this kid started spitting on me.
Speaker 2:Oh, oh dear, and I told him to fucking stop. Yeah, and he didn't. You know, he's sitting there clicking. So I moved, I moved seats and anyway, he continued. He followed me and I moved once again and he followed me again. I said if you do it again, I'm going to make you stop, stop now. And he did it again. And you remember that metal bar that ran on the back of the seats, sure?
Speaker 2:yeah and you know school bus. Well, his front teeth found that, yeah, so he didn't spit on me anymore well, that's good yeah, so, so anyway. Yeah, Anyway there was a whole big deal. I just said look, I don't know what diseases he has.
Speaker 1:I tried to peacefully move I tried to stop.
Speaker 2:He was assaulting me. I warned him multiple times. The bus driver even backed me up that I moved and everything. She was watching it but did nothing to stop it. But this went to the fucking school board. Dude, oh my gosh. Um, and the kid this. I was living on a reservation at the time uh-huh, and he was native american, I'm white, and that became a whole thing and lots of stuff oh, you must have had a confuse for somebody who's jewish jesus christ dude people know, I'm just kidding uh-huh yeah, so school was a fun.
Speaker 1:See that all kinds of fun stories for animation capabilities there, oh yeah well, uh, small, small rural high school in north central idaho.
Speaker 2:Lots of shenanigans, that's all I can say there were 52 people in my class that's a small class.
Speaker 1:Mine was 450 yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:No, there were 52 people in my class, wow. Yeah, like homes, the homeschooler group was bigger was it really?
Speaker 1:yes holy cow. Yeah, well, I guess back then in idaho that wouldn't surprise me. Yep, I mean, these days I think Idaho's got more California celebrities than anything living there.
Speaker 2:Southern Idaho does, northern Idaho does not. Okay.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 2:North Central Idaho, where I was, is very different and always has been. And you know, like my Boy Scout troop met at the Mormon church there and like just lots of things, the Mormon church there and like just lots of things.
Speaker 1:Hmm, yeah, um. So what why Idaho and not Montana? I mean, northern Idaho is pretty skinny right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, you got to talk to my parents about why they well, I don't mean why you live there, but why is it that the celebrities move to Southern Idaho?
Speaker 2:I know why, but I'm not gonna sit here expound right now. Uh, because boise is a bigger town, like it's the only real big town in idaho. Uh, like lewiston and cordelaine would be the next ones and they're just totally different. And you know, cordelaine is really kind of a extension of spokane and there's just totally different. And Coeur d'Alene is really kind of an extension of Spokane and there's just lots of stuff. So there's just less. The only big airport in Idaho is Boise.
Speaker 1:Oh, there you go, that's probably the best reason right there. It probably has more to do with the airport flights in and out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, to do with the airport flights in and out. Um, yeah, yeah. So if you want to get to, uh, different spots, you've got basically three airports to fly into for idaho and parts of wyoming and montana and all that and that's literally salt lake, boise and spokane yeah, so yeah makes sense.
Speaker 1:Yeah, are you?
Speaker 2:flying to denver and drive up. I guess you know how far is that that's a pretty good ways, so I'd have to get on google maps, dude, but yeah yeah, yeah, it's, it's um but, for instance, from the town I was living in, to the nearest semi-major airport, which would be Spokane was a six-hour drive.
Speaker 2:Oh wow, lewiston would be a three-hour drive and Lewiston doesn't have a whole lot of flights in and out, like Alaska has got some flights there. You can go to Spokane and maybe Seattleattle or salt lake, but that's about it. So yeah, yeah, it's.
Speaker 1:I don't know how we're on this topic but sure, I, I think we we started talking about your, uh, your experiences in childhood.
Speaker 2:So well, I was talking about my ability to edit video, and you know, hey, I've done this before, and so on, and then, yes, we went down a rabbit hole. Well, that's, that's usually what happens. I, I I blame, being uh tired and sick.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 1:Well, we'll take it, but I think we go down plenty of rabbit holes when you aren't either of those I know, but this is just portions of my life I don't generally talk about like this yep, yep.
Speaker 1:Well, I think it's interesting. I mean, I certainly always enjoy hearing about some backstories that people have because, uh, that that generally makes you understand better where they're coming from. And you know, uh and uh, while you may have been young in school, I, I don't know that um, that there are somebody listening right now that could be nodding their head and going, yeah, yeah, that was my experience too, yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh well, did you see the uh new ruling on uh machine guns? I did, yeah, and the vagueness of the trigger definition.
Speaker 3:Mm Hmm.
Speaker 2:I don't agree with uh Washington gun laws interpretation entirely. I actually ran it by a lawyer friend of mine and read their interpretation. I haven't done enough digging myself, so I will reserve some judgment. But it's pretty interesting. What it comes down to is, by the definition and this was part of the argument and the judge's reasoning a taser could be defined as a machine gun Because one trigger pull emits multiple pulses.
Speaker 1:therefore, I think that at some point it'd be great if the entirety of that law was just found to be unconstitutional, because when you say there shall be no restrictions, and then you proceed to create restrictions based on distinctions within the class.
Speaker 2:The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Speaker 1:It doesn't say the right of the people to keep and bear single-shot arms.
Speaker 2:No, that's the point.
Speaker 3:That's what the shall not be infringed is all about. Exactly.
Speaker 1:So you have to look at the historical definition of the word arms at the time of usage.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I don't think it's. They say bear in the spelling.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, the time of usage, yeah, and, and then I say bear and the spelling you know it's yeah, yeah, and I'm not like they don't mean a bear with arms, exactly exactly, although that is pretty cool in russia yeah, yeah, you know it's. It's funny. The whole russian bear meme thing has really become a real meme. That like I watched a video that talked about bears in general and they commented how in Russia bears seem to be pets because there's so many videos coming out.
Speaker 2:It's like, yes, the propaganda is working well, so you should give us an update on the absolutely devastating attack that Ukraine has inflicted upon Russia.
Speaker 1:I cannot give you an update on that because I've hardly paid attention to it oh, I see how it is when things go badly, you don't pay attention I, it's just not.
Speaker 2:I've been flying a lot of spaceships, dude, yeah, and you said you sent me a video, a game, proxy link like dude. You could do this yeah, you could totally.
Speaker 1:Why do I care? I was shocked. I think you're missing the point here well, clearly, the only reason you don't want to play games because you're on linux, so yeah, otherwise you'd be sitting there playing all day long is that is that true? That's what I'm assuming. Yeah, no, no, this was a pretty cool service, except I found a fatal flaw in it as well. The cost? No, no Cost's reasonable. It starts free and goes up from there, but no. The fatal flaw to me anyway, is the inactivity timeout of 10 minutes.
Speaker 2:Why is that a fatal flaw?
Speaker 1:Because it shuts down the session. It doesn't disconnect you from the game. If you were to hit escape quit, then the game saves whatever you're doing, right? If the session closes, it's like hitting the power button on your computer.
Speaker 3:That's easy to change.
Speaker 1:Well, for single-player games assuming they have autosave, then okay, you'd lose a few minutes. Not a big deal. For multiplayer games though that's a big deal.
Speaker 2:Again, but that's an easy fix. What's the fix? Increase the session timeout.
Speaker 1:Well, if that was an option that was available, then yes, but that that's what everyone seems to be bitching about, that service right, but I'm saying, nvidia can do that on the back. Oh, they can totally do it. They don't want to because they don't want to be tying up resources that aren't being used, according to them. Now, what they don't realize, that in a lot of video games the session yeah, but that doesn't work for multiplayer games.
Speaker 3:But what they don't realize why but?
Speaker 1:okay? Well, because you lose the network connection if you pause the session dude.
Speaker 2:Okay, so your user drops out, that doesn't prevent the other people from playing no, it doesn't prevent other people from playing it.
Speaker 1:It drops you out of your session exactly, and that's not what you want. So the thing that they, I think, don't realize or don't care about is that with a lot of modern multiplayer games MMOs there are periods where your character is just standing there while you're looking at a how-to video on YouTube to get past something, or a video that tells you how to configure and best set up a player character for something.
Speaker 2:So long live the mouse jiggler.
Speaker 1:Yes, but those do exist and you can certainly keep a. I mean, I've got one installed and those could keep it running. However, there are instances where you're actually doing something else on your computer, like working, where you need the mouse because you're in the middle of writing something or editing a video or doing something else.
Speaker 2:You should have two computers.
Speaker 1:Which is well, and one of those computers I thought would be great to have as a virtual computer out in the cloud that could have the game be running. And you know, there's things that are happening in the game when it's running, even when your character isn't doing anything game when it's running, even when your character isn't doing anything. So I think the argument that I've seen when I started Googling this is a lot of people saying what makes total sense to me, which is okay, we get it for the free tier. Of course you're not going to have people doing nothing and keep their session right For a lowest level paid tier, that you should have some sort of a timeout number.
Speaker 1:Maybe 10 minutes is correct, but then for the top tier, that should be either way longer or shouldn't exist, like it should be at least a half hour and I totally agree with that. Agree with that. So if you're paying 20 bucks a month, you should have a different timeout period than somebody paying half that or somebody playing for free. They shouldn't all be the same timeout period. Um, so until they fix that, the service not not horribly useful to me, because a half hour would be plenty, but what I really need is about a 15 to 20 minute timeout period.
Speaker 2:And then I just I don't play the last games I really played, other than the little bit I've played.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Single player on my laptop. The last time I was serious about any video games Was really with friends sitting around an xbox console playing first person shooters and like one of our favorite things was the zombie levels on modern warfare and you know all that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, uh, it wasn't just modern warfare, but anyway, some of the that, that series of games people know I'm talking call of duty yeah, yeah, call of duty and we like we were challenging each other and really trying to see how high we could get on the zombie modes and stuff like that, and we would spend hours doing that and we had strategies and which guns were best for what waves and like all sorts of shit, like we were serious about it and that was circa 2000 and, uh, probably seven to ten ish and yeah, yeah, it's been a while oh yeah, it has been a while, but I thought you bought cyberpunk, didn't you buy cyberpunk?
Speaker 1:I did yeah, so you do have a game that is current generation I have several games that are current generation what else did you buy? Uh, I'd have to go look at steam, but anyway, but you don't play them, you just just bought them.
Speaker 2:But you were talking about it, so I wanted to see what it was and all that. And Cyberpunk is way too. A lot of people are going to hate me for saying this. Cyberpunk is nothing but a prettier and more first person based Grand Theft Auto.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, there's definitely similarities, for sure I fucking hate that why?
Speaker 2:I don't like missions like that.
Speaker 1:I just that's not what I want in a video game. What do you want in the video game? A first-person shooter well, that is a part of it.
Speaker 2:That, or I want a pure strategy game. That, or give me Civilization.
Speaker 1:But the storyline of Cyberpunk is so good man.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:It's on the level of the best TV shows you've seen.
Speaker 2:I read.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but you also watch TV.
Speaker 2:Dude, I have not watched you say that. But other than YouTube we're going to discount YouTube but actual major production TV shows and stuff like that I haven't watched the. House of Dragons, season two. Yet I haven't watched that.
Speaker 1:It's pretty good. It's better than season two dragons season two.
Speaker 2:Yet I haven't watched that. It's pretty good. It's better than well.
Speaker 1:I've paused my star trek marching through stuff on discovery and all that really I, I have not watched tv in months because you you were watching star trek a lot for a while, yeah, but that this is what I do.
Speaker 2:I go through these phases, and especially when I start getting busy, like I have been for the last little bit. I tv just goes, I just I don't have time no, I agree with that.
Speaker 1:I will say house's dragon I I was afraid would be worse than it is actually pretty damn good. I still think the first season, like I like the characters more in the first season, but I think the show is better than the second season. Yeah, well, that's the way I phrase it and I will say the. The actress that plays um, uh, what's the chick's name? The uh whatever targaryen yeah no, the the other one, her friend uh, the redhead, I don't know, yeah, yeah, yeah the chick that plays her is a real actress.
Speaker 1:like she is portraying very subtle emotions and she did a very, very good job, which I don't think, and she did a very, very good job, which I don't think. On most shows like that, the actors are sort of second-tier actors. You know, they're not. They're like they're character actors. They're not the most.
Speaker 2:I don't know, didn't they get? Who did they get for the other Targaryen, uncle, or whatever his?
Speaker 3:name is Doctor who.
Speaker 2:One of them. Yeah, Matt something. Yeah, he's good.
Speaker 1:Not really. No, he's a fairly flat actor. Oh God, what you think? He's a great actor.
Speaker 2:You gotta be kidding me. No, okay, he's not David Tennant, he's not Patrick Stewart.
Speaker 1:but he's pretty good, yeah, neither of which are great actors in my opinion, and that, sir, is where you're just fucking wrong. No no.
Speaker 2:Yes, okay. Have you watched David Tennant's version of Hamlet? No, okay, then shut up, because you don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 3:Why.
Speaker 2:Because his version of Hamlet is good Okay.
Speaker 1:And Patrick Stewart has been in many things that were yes, and he overacts in absolutely everything he's ever been in. He does not portray a realistic character that is relatable, that shows emotion. He plays an over-exaggerated stage character in every goddamn thing I've ever seen him in, not just in star trek, but everything all right, I don't consider that good.
Speaker 2:Patrick stewart with someone else no, I'm not, no, I'm I'm very much talking about patrick stewart absolutely. Yeah, I think you're confusing picard and kirk. No, I'm not. I think because I think kirk is is comically overacting but Patrick Stewart is absolutely overacting.
Speaker 1:He totally is. Yeah, oh God. Yeah, he is not. He's portraying an archetype, he's not portraying a human being, which?
Speaker 2:is what good entertainment does.
Speaker 1:It's not good acting, though. Good acting is creating a believable character that you're not actually see. This is the thing. Like pacino is a horrible actor.
Speaker 2:He has one character that he plays in every movie a good actor has a broad range of characters that he can play, and he's believable as each one of those, okay, but that you're talking out both sides of your mouth on this one. But anyway, regardless, hassle dragons, I I need to the whole, it's worth the watch, for sure yeah, it's something I'll watch yeah second of all, who would you say is a good actor?
Speaker 1:I think that Forrest Gump, what's his name?
Speaker 2:Tom.
Speaker 1:Hanks. Tom Hanks is a very good actor. He's portrayed completely opposite characters in a variety of films and he's made them all very believable. Sure, he is much more subtle, he's not the best looking he's, but he's believable as each character he plays yes, but he's also never played a archetypical hero, right?
Speaker 2:okay, so the point is an archetypical hero?
Speaker 1:although joe versus a volcano, he kind of did an archetype.
Speaker 2:An archetypical hero is a different kind of character to portray and needs to be somewhat exaggerated, because that's the fucking point.
Speaker 1:Do you think Tom Cruise is a good actor? No, not particularly. He plays nothing but archetypical heroes.
Speaker 2:But he does it badly.
Speaker 1:No, he does the same thing that stewart does he no all right, tom cruise.
Speaker 2:Uh, he was good in top gun and top gun too. He was good in those like the Mission Impossible ones. Yeah, top Gun 2 was good. Yeah, did you watch it?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I watched it Was it good. It was good. I thought it was good. I think they took too many years between the first and the second one, but yeah, like it would have been better had they shot it like 15 years earlier.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, they shot it when they shot it and it was good. Yeah, but um day after tomorrow. I think he's got a lot of movies where he plays that hero character yeah, but much more actiony he is not the archetypical hero.
Speaker 1:He is the pop version of that in the action movie but you know where my favorite uh character that he played is in. But, uh, the hollywood producer that he plays in, um, oh god, I seriously need more vitamin b12. In the movie with uh, it was that comedy with the uh, the dowdy junior guy playing a black guy what the hell is that name? Uh, it was that comedy with the the Downey Jr Guy playing a black guy what the hell is that name?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, tropic Thunder.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so in Tropic Thunder he has a bit part.
Speaker 2:Yes, and Tropic Thunder is fucking hilarious. It is.
Speaker 1:It is a great movie, but he has a bit part playing a ball. Hollywood producer go full retard and uh, like that to me was probably some of tom cruise's best acting, because he's playing completely against character yeah, and he's also short and balding yeah exactly, he is short.
Speaker 2:I don't know about balding, but he is short, that short I mean he's five seven. He's also short and balding. Yeah, exactly, he is short. I don't know about balding, but he is short. He's not that short. I mean he's 5'7". He is fucking short. He's not that short, he is not 5'7".
Speaker 1:dude, he is 5'7".
Speaker 2:No, he is not.
Speaker 1:He's been confirmed by previous wives.
Speaker 2:According to their contracts.
Speaker 1:Yes, the Church of Scientology has enforced and informed. Yes, Although you should tread lightly seeing that you were in Utah last week.
Speaker 2:Why would I tread lightly? Because, you know? Yeah, according to Wikipedia he's 5'8", which I just called bullshit.
Speaker 1:Next year he might be 5'9".
Speaker 3:You never know, he's getting that leg lengthening surgery.
Speaker 1:If you, exactly, but if you, if you don't use my criteria for evaluating who's a good actor, most people that I've watched interviews with that have worked with him say he's absolutely phenomenal and because what they're looking at is how hardworking he is as criteria.
Speaker 2:All right, let's go back. So why should I be treading lightly, given where I was?
Speaker 1:Well, it's not Scientology, but a state that has fairly litigious people that.
Speaker 2:The entire time I was in Utah I was thinking of the south park episode, like the dum, dum, dum, dum dum yeah, it was running through my head in so many ways yes, is that episode uh allowed in that state, or have they banned it? Dude. Utah is such a weird state because ostensibly it's a red state, right except the mormons are holier than thou and very much into legislating morality yeah, yeah yeah so
Speaker 1:I will say I've never met a mormon that I've disliked.
Speaker 2:I've always personally like every mormon I've ever met oh, I have known mormons that I cannot stand, but I've had some very good friends that were mormon too I yeah, some of my best friends uh growing up were mormon, so I remember one time I met I am not prejudiced against mormons, but I'm not either.
Speaker 1:I like them.
Speaker 2:But I am Like when I walked into the hotel it smelled Mormon, Did it really?
Speaker 1:It just, you know, there's just it had the smell of multiple wives.
Speaker 2:Are a lot of kids that the wife doesn't really clean as much as she should after, like that. I don't know, I don't know, man, yeah, well it's pretty good porn out there huh what they make good porn up there, yeah. Yeah, it's funny because I was with one of my employees and we were I don't know how we got on the subject and I was like I said something about special underwear or something and he's like what? No, you're just pulling my leg. I'm like nope.
Speaker 1:Google it. That's true. No, that's a good point, but I think one of the People need to remember what happened in Nauvoo. One of my fun memories was meeting up with this dude that's probably even a little older than I am. That I'd met at a workshop, but then I was working where he lived, and so we met up for lunch, and during that lunch I always order iced tea, cause you know me, emma, I love my you gotta have it every day.
Speaker 3:Are you every day? I don't, so know me I love my iced tea.
Speaker 2:You've got to have it every day.
Speaker 1:Every day. There's no caffeine in iced tea, it's just iced tea. And so I ordered iced tea and he's like, yeah, I'll have one of those too. And I didn't think twice about it until after he took a drink and he said you know, this is the first iced tea I've ever had. Yep, and I was like, like, holy shit, they make you break your vows by tempting you with ice tea. That's hilarious. But it was like, oh my god, this guy literally has not had iced tea for 50 years of his life. And, um, I mean, that's dedication, man.
Speaker 2:It's something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm not saying it's necessarily a good or a bad thing, but it's definitely like sticking to something for that long.
Speaker 2:There are lots of things about the Mormon culture that I like the self-reliance the preparedness, the community aspects. There are lots of good things there.
Speaker 1:The food supply in the house.
Speaker 2:Exactly.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 2:There are lots of things that are not so good, so anyway.
Speaker 3:Regardless, I was there for work.
Speaker 2:It's all good, I will say. I spent an inordinate amount of time on US government property this last week.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's pretty unusual for you as a Fed, isn't it?
Speaker 2:I am not a Fed.
Speaker 1:I know you keep saying that. Did you ever watch Big Love the?
Speaker 2:amount of time it took me to get clearance to go on said property uh-huh proves I'm not a fed thing seemed like it was yesterday.
Speaker 1:Uh, did you ever watch big love? No, oh, I do. Have you heard of it. Do you know what it is? No, big love was a very successful show, I think at the time on HBO, probably started early 2000, maybe 2002, 2003.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:And then went on for five seasons I believe. But it was a story about a business owner who has kind of like a Home Depot type store that he owns Home Depot type store that he owns. He's got multiple stores in Utah who is a Mormon, obviously, and throughout the first episode of watching the show you kind of realize that he's got three wives and they all live in three houses that are next to each other and he just kind of goes from house to house.
Speaker 2:So here's the thing, and this is something I'll say If you're an adult and you're doing stuff with adults, I don't care what the fuck you're doing, right? I don't care if you have three wives, three husbands. You have six of each. Whatever. I don't care if you have three wives, three husbands.
Speaker 3:You have six of each. Whatever I don't care, Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:Marriage is a religious sacrament and however you choose to pervert it is your own business.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, in their religion that was like a normal thing, but yeah.
Speaker 2:But that's my point is do whatever you want. It does not affect me, as long as you're. What consenting adults do I have no problem with. When you involve kids, okay. Now we potentially have a problem, but short of that whatever. Just like if you want to mutilate your own body in any way, form or fashion go ahead and do it, I don't care, and just be aware that there are consequences for anything you do based.
Speaker 1:Don't ask me to pay for other people yeah, exactly so, but it was a very good show. I thought it was very well done. I think was the guy's name bill paxton or something like that I have no idea. I think you were watching sister wives, but whatever no, I did watch that as well, but no, this was, this is I. I thought that was a great lifestyle.
Speaker 2:I don't know why more people hear that ladies jeans part chick part chick yes how's that? Because that's a very chick show to watch. Okay, all right, I see next thing you know you're gonna tell me you're gonna. You've watched Real Housewives of Atlanta as well.
Speaker 1:No, that's after I got rid of my TV set, so I never watched that. I used to watch Big Brother. You ever watch that?
Speaker 2:No, I'm straight.
Speaker 1:That has nothing to do with your homosexuality, or that? Okay, I'm a straight male, so therefore, why would I watch this?
Speaker 2:Big Brother is basically-. Did you watch Jersey Shore too?
Speaker 1:No, I never watched that, didn't have a TV, but Big Brother was a it's a fishbowl show, right? So it's a reality show.
Speaker 3:It's a stupid show.
Speaker 1:But, unlike most reality shows that pretend like they're reality shows, big Brother didn't have that pretense that pretend like they're reality shows. Big brother didn't have that pretense so because they put people into a, a house that was wired with literally hundreds of cameras, and they couldn't leave for their contractual duration until they were voted out, and it's kind of like, I guess, survivor except in a house, uh--huh. But yeah, I don't know. It's kind of interesting seeing what kind of people survive longest and which ones don't. There's all kinds of betting going on and stuff.
Speaker 2:You've read Lord of the Flies, right? Mm-hmm, I watched it. There you go.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:All right, anything else, gene, or can we wrap this one up?
Speaker 1:Oh, you want to wrap it up.
Speaker 2:Before I start coughing up a lung here.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, you don't want to be lunging away like that.
Speaker 2:I'm already sitting here sucking on a lozenge.
Speaker 1:That's probably a good thing, all right. No, we can wrap up a little early. We've done some long episodes. People aren't going to mind something a little shorter this week? But yeah, yeah, we'll keep an eye out for what?
Speaker 2:happens with the uh, uh, the presidential race, now that it's down to two. You know one of the things that I think's also kind of smart, because I, when I heard rfk was going to drop out and endorse Trump, I'm like, oh shit. Well, if he does that, his Secret Service stuff goes away. So this could be a problem, but the way he's doing it, he still gets Secret Service.
Speaker 1:I get that that's a thing, but it kind of makes me think from a rational standpoint, like a rational standpoint, like you shouldn't be allowed to do that, like either you're in or out, this, this is like in with one foot and out with the other.
Speaker 2:He's just not fighting to stay on the ballot in some States.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know. I I think that the biggest benefit to trump with him during the election, that post election, was exactly as a potential candidate to draw democrat votes away now that he's endorsed trump, his likelihood of drawing democrat votes greatly diminished. I disagree.
Speaker 2:I think that he's still got quite the capability of doing that.
Speaker 1:I think he's got a following of some folks that consider vaccines to be the issue number one.
Speaker 2:He has 5% to 6% in a lot of states.
Speaker 1:I don't think he does. After his announcement.
Speaker 2:We'll see. I think, after his announcement, a lot of that's going to go to Trump Well. I don't think he does after his announcement. We'll see. I think after his announcement, a lot of that's going to go to Trump Well.
Speaker 1:I don't think it will. I think best case scenario is these people will just not vote. If he's not running, they're not going to vote, which still keeps them out of voting Democrat, which is a good thing, but I don't think people that were following because he has an awful lot of positions that are contrary to trump as well yeah, yeah I think it's going to take more than the weeks, but we'll.
Speaker 1:We'll kind of keep tabs and see what the pollsters are saying about people that would have been voting for him. I I think it would have been better if he would have stayed in. Frankly, that guarantees more of those votes. Don't go Democrat candidate. But I mean, if he is going to bow out, obviously better that he endorsed Trump than not, but I would have preferred him to stick around until the end and lose graciously at that point. So with that, Ben, if you got nothing else, we can go ahead and wrap things up.
Speaker 2:All right, gene, we'll see you next week.
Speaker 1:See you next week.
