Just Two Good Old Boys
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Just Two Good Old Boys
086 Just Two Good Old Boys
Ever wondered about the intricacies of concealed carry laws or what life is like being surrounded by contrasting political views? Join us as we navigate through a diverse set of topics, starting with a personal narrative around the health challenges my family is currently facing. We tackle a listener's question about concealed carry options in Washington State, discussing various gun models like the SIG P365 and Springfield XDS while humorously pondering the legalities of acquiring military surplus gear from Ukraine. Our journey through this episode also brings to light the power of online friendships that defy political boundaries, highlighted by a decade-long bond with an East Coast liberal friend—complete with plans to hit the gun range and indulge in some barbecue together.
From personal triumphs to unpredictable life events, we reflect on the joys and absurdities of life. Ever fired a full-auto P90 before or thrown an election night bash at a gun range? Memories like these pepper our discussion, drawing a vivid picture of how life can be both thrilling and unpredictable. We also contemplate the broader societal implications of political tensions, using potential threats against public figures as a springboard to discuss the resilience of communities in crisis. And for those practical at heart, we delve into the utility of having generators during emergencies, while taking a historical detour to marvel at the engineering wonders of the "Big Boy" steam locomotive.
The episode rounds out with a look at lighter fare, including amusing tales about firearm mishaps and the quirks of dating technology. We share our thoughts on films like "What is a Woman?" and "Am I Racist?," drawing comedic comparisons to the works of Sacha Baron Cohen. Our musings also touch on current cultural dynamics, from the music industry's evolution to speculative discussions about political donations and inequality. With a blend of humor, insight, and reflection, this episode offers a refreshing mix of thoughtful dialogue and light-hearted banter that promises to entertain and engage.
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How have you been? How are you today?
Speaker 2:Dude, I've been better. We've had some family news. That wasn't great and just trying to cope it's been rough. My mom got a medical diagnosis. That's not great and it's been a very busy few weeks.
Speaker 1:Wow, well, that's very sad to to hear. Hopefully everything turns out for the better, um, but I know it uh stressful for everybody, not just the person involved yeah, it's just, you know coping with uh lots of things and it's all good, it's all good.
Speaker 2:We uh we had a pretty interesting email come in, though. On a different note, yeah, sir hopscotch is reaching out, wants some concealed carry advice for washington state uh, you know, I would just probably point him at the Washington.
Speaker 1:what is the guy's YouTube channel? The Washington?
Speaker 2:Washington Gun Law Gun.
Speaker 1:Law. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That would be your best source of information for local laws and interpretations thereof.
Speaker 2:I don't think he's worried about that as much as he is wanting like hey, what gun should I get?
Speaker 1:Oh, oh, oh, as far as well, I don't know.
Speaker 2:Magazine capacity restrictions are the big thing there, apparently.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've always like actually carry on me. I've always preferred a smaller gun with fewer rounds anyway.
Speaker 2:So that wasn't effective. I used to carry a Bursa.
Speaker 1:Yeah, a little Bursa. I think it had six rounds in the magazine. So I think it had six rounds in the magazine.
Speaker 2:So um, the one I've been eyeing lately is the uh SIG P three, six, five. That comes in a bunch of different sizes with different magazine configurations and you can do safety, you can do no safety. It's pretty much everything you'd want.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, that's another option. Uh, if you want to go a little cheaper, you can go with a. Uh, a springfield xds, which is the single stack version that I think both of us have right yeah, I that. That's my daily carrier, right now yep, yep, and how many rounds is that?
Speaker 2:uh, nine it's, I don't carry it.
Speaker 1:So that's hence I'm asking. I don't even know yeah, it's, it's nine plus one yeah, the big thing is just since you have to deal with the xds can be optics cut as well yeah, in the the 365, but you know. Yeah, I think all the new guns are coming that way. I have yet to see an optic on a Walter PPK, though.
Speaker 2:Because Bond wouldn't do it that way.
Speaker 1:Bond doesn't need optics man.
Speaker 2:He has 120 vision.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, since you have a magazine limit issue to deal with, you might as well go with a single-stack magazine gun. So that narrows your field by quite a bit, since most guns are actually double-stack. But a lot of manufacturers do have single-stack options, and you know, if you want to maximize each of those rounds, you can certainly carry a .45 or a .40 caliber, or did I say 10 millimeter?
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, and you know, some guns even have reduced-capacity magazines that are not standard-capacity magazines, that basically are like a plug in a shotgun, right, yeah, but that's a waste of space, because if you're using one of those magazines with a gun meant to have standard capacity of 18 or 19 rounds, it's still a thicker gun because it's got the dual stack magazine. It's just not a full-length magazine instead.
Speaker 2:So I would actually recommend looking specifically for a single stack. Well, but like the Sig P365 isn't really a double stack, it's like a stack and a half. So it's still thinner, but not quite as thin as a single stack, and then, the kind of cool thing is you've got flush fit mags that are, I think, down to 10 rounds, and then you've got extended mags that go up to like 20.
Speaker 1:So you can kind of pick and choose. Oh okay, that many, okay, yeah, yeah, there's a good one.
Speaker 2:And you know, the 365 has the micro, the XL and the macro. The macro is the full size. I don't know why you wouldn't just go with the 320 at that point, but some people Yep, yep the other really good option is some of the glock uh, leo, uh offerings out there right now. There's been a lot of glocks of all different makes and models and sizes hit the market from, yeah, from generation three to generation four is what I've mainly seen.
Speaker 2:But who knows? And uh, some of the law enforcement trade-ins can be a good cheap carry gun pretty easy they've always been a great deal.
Speaker 1:I I've bought many cop glocks over the years probably six or seven of them and they're always really good. They've never had a single issue. They've've generally partly been shot. They're basically brand new. They usually have a little bit of wear and tear on the side of the slide from just being holstered and unholstered. But you know for a fact these guns have been holstered and unholstered way more times than the trigger's ever been pulled. Most police departments will give their officers 50 rounds a year of free ammo. Guess how many rounds they shoot a year in that scenario.
Speaker 2:About 25.
Speaker 1:About 25. So it's one of those things where, when somebody carries the gun mostly to intimidate and not actually use, it's going to be a hardly used gun as a result. Now buying surplus military gear coming from Ukraine, that's a little different issue that has some wear and tear on it yeah, well, if you want to pick up a stinger, I might know a guy uh legalities gene legalities I don't know what you're talking about, and I'm referring to our audience who lives outside of the united states, where you know where a stinger is legal.
Speaker 2:What country is a stinger legal in Lots?
Speaker 1:of countries I might want to expat there. Uh-huh. Well, as long as you know Cyrillic, you're going to be good to go.
Speaker 2:I don't think the Russian gun laws are that great Gene.
Speaker 1:The thing about a lot of countries and in historically, eastern europe and ukraine was very much one of these countries is the laws are really made for people that don't have money. So if you, if you can afford a stinger, don't worry about it. Okay, yeah, I'm just saying yeah, I mean you're, you're a lot, let's put it this way a lot more people are in prison in the united states than any other country in the world. Do you think?
Speaker 2:americans break more laws. Populate for population.
Speaker 1:Percentage of population do you think americans break more laws? I think americans have more laws.
Speaker 1:I think americans have more laws I think americans voluntarily get caught more other other places. People don't turn you in. So, uh, most of the rest of the world operates on a as long as nobody saw you do it, you didn't do it kind of mentality. That's why uk has so many cameras, because that they would operate in that mentality. But you know, they know their citizens too well, so they have to put cameras everywhere. Oh man, you said I have you been man good, good dinner.
Speaker 1:I've been pretty good. I got some friends in town. It's actually kind of funny. So I've got a friend of mine who I've been playing video games with for probably a decade, who is a really nice guy. I certainly would consider him a friend, but he is absolutely an East Coast liberal and we spar back and forth but uh, neither one was going to convince the other of much is he voting for? What do you think?
Speaker 2:of course I don't know.
Speaker 1:I mean maybe he has enough of a brain that he's not. No, no, he's. He's a smart guy. He's just a very stereotypical east coast liberal, and so, um, in fact, he listened to some of our podcast episodes and he says what did he say about that? I didn't realize how conservative you were. I said me I'm.
Speaker 2:I'm not even conservative, I'm like a libertarian type person with a small l uh, he said well, I mean, you got the big israel thing going for you too.
Speaker 1:But I yeah, but I was listening, you were talking about abolishing the 19th amendment. It's like when did you become a misogynist? And I said, well, I, I think when I got a brain, mostly, um, but uh, you know it's fun. We like to kind of yank each other's chain a little bit. So he's here in town, we're gonna get together tomorrow, get some barbecue and I'm gonna take him to the gun range where you going for barbecue blacks they're better barbecue places everyone's got got their favorite here.
Speaker 1:I like it because it's convenient and it's close to me. Go to Louie Mueller or Franklin's oh yeah, yeah, let me stand in line for three hours. Great idea.
Speaker 2:I appreciate the suggestion, thank you, you don't have to at.
Speaker 1:Louie Mueller. I like a place that I know what they have and how much it costs and everything else, and I agree Franklin's is better, but I just refuse to stay in line. So, yeah, I'm going to go get some barbecue and then hit the gun range. He's shot guns before. His wife has never shot guns, so this is going to be fun. And then his niece is coming as well, so I don't think she's ever shot again. So it's going to be entertaining and I'm going to top it off with having them shoot something fun.
Speaker 2:What's the something fun?
Speaker 1:P90 full auto.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's cool Rental I'm guessing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, I wish I had one dude, believe me, I don't have that kind of money. But I think that you know, we're going to start off fairly small and I'm going to walk them through all these really weapons, fairly small, and I'm going to walk them through all the Israeli weapons, and then we'll end up doing something that'll really kind of make them understand the difference between what a military weapon is and what a civilian weapon is, lest they call black guns, assault rifles. Um, that and then, uh, as an extra bonus, I had another friend of ours that we both like both of us played video games with him. Uh, come down here without telling the first friend. It's going to be a surprise.
Speaker 1:And this guy I actually had him on one of my episodes of Sergine speaks. He's a. He's a very you would get along well with him, ben. He's a very down-to-earth Missouri boy and you know he actually is somebody you could call conservative. Unlike me, he is generally on the correct side of just about every argument. Uh, but, um, again, a guy I've never met before, been playing video games with him for almost a decade not quite a decade with him but he decided to come down here and surprise our other mutual friend by just uh, showing up to the uh to lunch in the gun range and he brought a few of his guns along. So he brought some of the guns I don't have, like revolvers. So I think that'll be an additional fun thing. And obviously this episode isn't going to come out until we already have lunch, so no risk of our first mutual friend finding out.
Speaker 2:No, they're not listening live.
Speaker 1:We're not broadcasting live, we're not recording, we're not broadcasting anywhere live.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah but, so what are you? Uh, interesting, all right. What do you think their reaction to the p90 is going to be, especially with that progressive trigger?
Speaker 1:right, uh, I, I, I think a big smile.
Speaker 2:I think that's going to catch them off guard.
Speaker 1:I think the reaction most people have is just a shit-eating grin on their face.
Speaker 2:You know, I've never fired full auto.
Speaker 1:You haven't Really Ever.
Speaker 2:No, never.
Speaker 1:As far as the federal government's concerned anyway, no, literally, I never have.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the federal government's concern anyway no literally I never have. Yeah, I've fired a lot of guns, but everything's been semi-auto bolt action, lever action or pump. I love shooting full auto when somebody else is paying yeah, that's the problem is it's it's dollar signs that go off in my mind uh-huh, yeah, yeah it's, uh, it is a very expensive pastime.
Speaker 1:uh, my, uh, my end of campaign party when I ran for office, we did it at gun range and uh it was, it was thousands of dollars of ammo. It was a really fun time. Uh, I had uh, rented a super stretch limo and then drove all over town and then to the gun range and then the next day I lost the election. One had nothing to do with the other, just saying Did you pay attention to the hurricane? Well, little bit it hit Florida right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and up to Appalachia, causing problems, dumping, a lot of rain.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah, I mean, they're somewhat predictable. They're somewhat predictable. Yeah, you hate for people to have something happen to their stuff, but, um, I've been watching videos of these things going through the country for the last 50 years.
Speaker 2:No, okay. Yeah, gene, this was the biggest storm ever in the Gulf, which is just patently false. Yeah, but that's what some literally some news media has said.
Speaker 1:That's kind of like when they decided to get rid of the Richter scale and just start marking earthquakes for arbitrary numbers.
Speaker 2:We had a 14 earthquake happening here.
Speaker 1:It was horrible.
Speaker 2:Yeah, or the tornado scale and you know, ef5 versus f5 yep yep, exactly it's uh.
Speaker 1:Or like mrna passing vaccines, like they keep changing stuff and think people are just gonna not notice it's inksock it isn exactly. We've always been at war with Eurasia, eurasia, yeah, I'll tell you what else has changed, and I noticed this last week, or this week, I guess. Last week, this week, do you like? Haagen-dazs Ace Criminal.
Speaker 2:I prefer Bluebell.
Speaker 1:Okay, I've always enjoyed Haagen-Dazs, and not because it's, like you know, more expensive or whatever. I like the fact that it honestly, it's the only ice cream that has only five ingredients. Most ice creams you look at the label and there's like 20, 30 different ingredients in there and that's just bullshit. If I make it at home, I use four ingredients, maybe five ingredients. Haagen-dazs uses five. So something interesting happened. You know they've been selling ice cream in the exact same packaging for my whole life ever since, or at least since the early 80s. I think they started late 70s, early 80s, I don't remember, but certainly I remember eating Haagen-Dazs from those pints with the brown kind of coloring on them. In the 80s we also had Fruising Glacier, which is a whole other story, which was also a very good ice cream and in some ways as good or better than Haagen-Dazs, but Haagen-Dazs sued them to death. Anyway, I was looking at a Haagen-dazs pint container and I noticed something. It is 14 ounces now oh versus 16.
Speaker 2:okay, shrink inflation shrink relation.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it looks identical. Um, nothing is changed. Everything is exactly the same, except there are two ounces less of ice cream in these packages, and I think it's literally just the depth to which the bottom floor is pushed into the can has been reduced, or increased, I guess, because I think they kept the size of the paper the same and just changed where the bottom is. You know what I mean, mm-hmm, and I think. Well, also, the price has gone up from $295 to $425 now for those as well, at the local HEB, I'm sure. Different prices in different places. But it is interesting to know that it's not just inflation or the prices going up, it's also the shrinkflation, as you said, which has prices going up, but also the quantity going up. Now, I'm just observing this. I'm not bitching about it, because honestly I don't like. Two ounces fewer calories is a good thing. In my book, I'm perfectly happy with having smaller size pints, but it is something to know. Well, it's no longer a pint by definition right, right, well, and they used to back.
Speaker 1:I remember back in the day, back in the 80s, they were pretending to be a european brand. Now they were actually started in New York, so they're not really European. Uh as uh, uh, I think a couple of Jewish deli owners that started the brand, but they wanted it to seem exotic and like Dutch or Danish or something, and so they, uh, they called it Haagen-Dazs. Um, but Haagen-Dazs used to be 500 grams or 500, not grams. 500 milliliters, right, it wasn't, it was the by volume, that way. So their original containers were 500 milliliters, which is 16.8 ounces, and then at some point they became just pints, so so they were 16 ounces.
Speaker 2:They moved to proper American measurements.
Speaker 1:Like many years after, but also in course of that, saved 0.8 ounces, and now they've reduced it by two more. So I think we may end up with having a 10 ounce Haagen-Dazs container. That is still physically the same size container the paper size is at least. It would take up the same amount of space in your fridge, but the contents would be smaller that would just annoy the shit out of me, but okay I, I think it's funny.
Speaker 1:Um, it's uh. Again, I'm not really bothered by it. I just noticed that these things are happening and, um, you know, I just I, I was a little shocked when I watched the commercial for be a man, world for a woman. Did you see that?
Speaker 1:no, I got sam elli Elliott with his cowboy voice, talking about how it's time for change, it's time to have hope and it's time to vote for a woman, and how the perfect woman, of course, is currently running. It's not Hillary, everybody agrees on that but I guess we got the next best thing. It's not Hillary Everybody agrees on that but I guess we got the next best thing. We got Obama standing.
Speaker 2:how is obama's stand-in kamala?
Speaker 1:well, who do you think has been running the country for the last four years?
Speaker 2:I I honestly do not know. I don't know that it's the obamas I think it's a safe assumption.
Speaker 1:I don't know either, but I think it's fairly safe to assume that's been the case. Sure as hell hasn't been Joe, and as much as Joe's wife would like to have been her, I don't think that's actually been the case either. Uh, obama's got experience. When he was leaving office he definitely said that he'll be back.
Speaker 2:Uh, he was. It's not quite what he said well, what?
Speaker 1:what did he say? Go ahead, remind us.
Speaker 2:He said if I could find a stand in and be the man in the back, I would.
Speaker 1:Hmm, that seems to be even more incriminating than what I was going to say, but, um, certainly Obama has been to the white house a lot more than any other former president visiting the current president.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but it's his vice president.
Speaker 1:They're buddies, they're friends they probably just go play golf or something, totally either one of their swings, please I mean, I don't know it's uh, maybe they're just comparing notes on who to hire for the kitchen staff.
Speaker 2:Um but you mean, who michael's next victim will? Be yeah exactly because they're going to find out how much he weight lifts.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well I honestly I at this point I don't even know what's real and what is a a fake done by ai, because there's so many videos that look like they're 20 years old, that just show either the best female bodybuilder out there who's married to Barack Obama or somebody that has to wear a jackstrap.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, there's lots of that.
Speaker 1:There's lots of that, so I'm not going to make any assumptions here. I'm just saying I don't know what to believe.
Speaker 2:What else?
Speaker 1:What else is happening? I'm trying to think.
Speaker 2:Well, we got some reports about the Trump attempted assassination.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:The first one that sure make it look like it had to be an inside job or at least an inside stand down.
Speaker 1:Sure seemed that way. Um, I also found it interesting that both the first and the second uh assassins had been cast in commercials for black rock uh, the first one, yes.
Speaker 2:The second one, that I don't know, is true oh, did you see the video? I saw a video I don't know that it was it looked like he was very similar to the first one.
Speaker 1:I saw it. I mean he was in it. He was in it for like five seconds or less. It's not like he played a major part, but either way, what are the odds of of two assassins showing up in the videos for the same company?
Speaker 2:if true, true, it's pretty much zero.
Speaker 1:Uh-huh, it's certainly. Even if it's not zero, it's close to zero. It's highly, highly unlikely. So if the third one ends up having a video that's for BlackRock as well, I mean that kind of seals the deal for me.
Speaker 2:Well, is there going to be a third one?
Speaker 1:Yeah, what do you think? I think there will be. I think, if I was a betting man in Vegas, well, according to Alex Jones and DHS.
Speaker 2:There are five assassination squads in the US currently for Trump.
Speaker 1:Somebody. I can't remember who it was. I don't think it was Alex Jones, but it was somebody that was broadcasting on X. It also said that there have actually been four assassinations on Trump. We forget about two of them because the people were caught before they were able to do anything and it was while he was president. There were two attempts.
Speaker 2:I haven't bothered going back and cross-referencing to see if that's the case but it certainly wouldn't surprise me they weren't publicly acknowledged at the time.
Speaker 1:If that's the case, I think they may have been called, like you know, crazy man breaks into the White House, or something like that, but I don't know. I mean it's I'm. I did also get confirmation that Trump is wearing body armor now, so that's a good thing. I was kind of hoping he would be. And of course you know the media is just going to say he's eating too many burgers and put on weight.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's only wearing 20 pounds of body armor. Who's counting that? You know?
Speaker 1:Yeah, but there's nobody better at carrying 20 pounds of body armor than him.
Speaker 2:Some say the greatest.
Speaker 1:The greatest exactly.
Speaker 2:I can't do it Trump.
Speaker 1:I've been told it's the best.
Speaker 2:Nothing like it. Exactly, I can't do Trump. Yep, I've been told it's the best. Nothing like it.
Speaker 1:You got to repeat it at least three times, otherwise it's not Trump. So yeah, I do certainly suspect one more attempt before the elections.
Speaker 2:Just hopefully not a successful one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because I think all our lives are going to go to hell if it's successful.
Speaker 2:I, yes, agreed. I think it would be not good for this nation.
Speaker 1:Yeah, unless you're somebody from the future looking back and saying it was the best thing that happened for this nation, because it finally got people to get off their ass.
Speaker 2:It would be a hard time to begin with.
Speaker 1:at the very least, it would be an extremely hard time. A lot of people would die. I think that's undebatable. I don't care what side you're on. If Trump ends up getting killed, there'll be a lot of dead people. I was going to say dead Americans, but I don't want to be exclusive or exclusionary.
Speaker 2:Do you think so?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Because the question really is will Americans stand up and actually fight or not?
Speaker 1:That's the question, I think well, I think there are absolutely no two ways about it. There will be looting and burning and stores will likely close and people will have no water and no food and they will die, fair enough I'm not saying anyone's gonna start killing people.
Speaker 2:That's an average, yeah, yeah exactly it's?
Speaker 1:I think it's a hurricane style scenario, uh, or a um, um, I was gonna say rodney king. I already made that mistake once today. I was like, yeah, you know, back when, uh, you know that guy in minnesota, that rodney king guy, uh, he had some police brutality happening, um, and the other guys, they're looking at me like what the fuck it's like, rodney king, what decade are you from? Oh, yeah, yeah, george michael, that's right, I remember now you mean george floyd, that's what I said. So all right man.
Speaker 2:I've already got one person in my life gaslighting me I don't need you to. Okay, let's not do that.
Speaker 1:What? Did you mishear me? I don't know what you mean. No, it was an honest mistake on my part, but yeah it's, I think.
Speaker 1:I think people on the left assume that whether they riot or not, whether they do stupid shit or not, all the things that they need for life are going to go on and continue indefinitely, magically Like they don't. And I will say I think they're starting to understand in California what happens when you rob too many stores the stores close and leave Slowly, slowly, slowly. But I think that process would be greatly accelerated if this country genuinely devolved to a banana republic and actually took out one of the two candidates, the one that's honestly the most likely to win according to odds. According to odds, I think that would have a lot of people, even if they're not willing to go and do something. As a direct result of that, I think a lot of people would turn the other cheek or face away and let things happen to people that got us to where we are away and let things happen to people that got us to where we are, as in not having any pity for the fools, to quote Mr T.
Speaker 2:Well, you know food storage people. Sometimes you get hit by hurricanes. Sometimes you know there's a food shortage because of man-made events, who knows?
Speaker 1:Absolutely.
Speaker 2:Regardless, having a little bit of food will probably help you and your family quite a bit.
Speaker 1:An extra generator, too, goes a long way.
Speaker 2:By the way, the generator you showed me that you were getting. I don't know if you want to talk about it or not, but I have a bigger version of that. And one thing to remember, um, that when you're running so dual fuel generators, so gas or propane, yep, the problem is, when you're running on propane, you do have less power yeah, like it it generates less electricity.
Speaker 1:You should recognize that right oh, yeah, yeah, okay, making sure like it's enough to run a freezer and a few other things maybe a windy unit, but don't expect to run your house yeah, yeah, for sure, yeah it's. It's mostly just a backup to my other generator, which is a little bigger, um, but the other one's not dual fuel, it's purely gasoline and you can actually get a conversion kit for the one you're getting to make it tri-fuel, where it'll burn on natural gas, gasoline or uh propane oh, that's cool yeah yeah, I've.
Speaker 1:Actually I don't know anything about the company that was my biggest question, because I'd never heard of them before chinese well they're chinese made for lows and some others, but they've got decent reviews and you know as long as like I wouldn't have it as my main generator for a camper, like I'd probably have a honda or something there yeah yeah, um, I would definitely test start it, you know, once a year or so, but realistic.
Speaker 2:And I would test start it on propane because it's just going to burn way cleaner and, yeah, gunk less stuff up. But as long as you're taking care of stuff I I see no problem with this whatsoever. All the reviews I looked at and this is a furman, by the way.
Speaker 1:Furman generator oh, is that how you pronounce it, or?
Speaker 2:how would you pronounce it?
Speaker 1:fireman I've heard it as whatever okay, whatever, um, it could be fulman for all we know. Um, yeah, I just never heard of it, but at this price, and the price being 349 bucks for a 4kw generator yeah, 4kw generator um it is 350, basically free shipping, refurbished, refurbished, refurbished, and it was selling like that same model was selling at Costco for 800 bucks.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, I I the version I got. I think I paid like 900 for it at Lowe's.
Speaker 1:Mm, hmm.
Speaker 2:So but mine's a nine KW bigger boy yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So I think the 4kw version is obviously going to sip less fuel as well oh yeah, so that'll be good my biggest question on all these things is why the hell are the gas tanks so small? Why don't they put like a 10 gallon tank on there is why the hell are the gas tanks so small. Why don't they put like a 10-gallon tank on there.
Speaker 2:Run for a week. Well, I mean you can get a 50 or 100-pound propane tank and do that with the external tank. So that's not to say too much about my own setup but I wouldn't be using a little five gallon tank with it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, for sure, and uh, and of course Adam's got the the big, big boy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's got a whole home generator, the whole home, like 20 kilowatt or something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, things is like the size of the side of the house. I don't know that it's that big, but well, the the thing it's sitting in is that big it the whole home generator.
Speaker 2:If you wanted a big whole home generator, a lot of the diesel generators you can get from surplus from the us government are pretty cheap like that would be I.
Speaker 1:I had a worked for a company years and years ago that had a? Uh, a jet generator uh what do you mean by that? Well, it was like a jet, jet, jet engine yeah, and I don't remember how many, how many kilowatts it put out, but it was a shit ton.
Speaker 2:Well, so there's aero derivatives, and then there's industrial derivatives, and so, having worked for a power company, you know.
Speaker 1:You say, you know a thing or. Two.
Speaker 2:I kind of do. One of the most interesting power plants I ever worked on was Dix Creek. Dix Creek was one of the first natural gas power plants ever made and it was literally 10 F5 Phantom engines that used thrusted exhaust to spin a load wheel that would then turn a generator versus an industrial.
Speaker 2:They were powered windmills a single windmill but, yes, um, and you know it was. It was inefficient as all hell, but it was made in literally the 60s as one of the first natural gas combustion power plants. That wasn't just a boiler style.
Speaker 1:Yeah, most like the first natural gas power plants were actually just burners inside of a boiler we think shit was primitive in the 60s, but reality is it was much more high tech than what we have now. Back in the 60s we could build a rocket and fly people to the moon and bring them back live yeah sure uh, yeah, apparently, uh, you know Uh-huh sure.
Speaker 1:We had Thorium reactors running. You know the 60s were a time of great American innovation and the future was going to be the Jetsons and what we end up with is more RoboCop.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, one of the things I want to I want to do for the kids. I really want to take my kids to go see the big boy that's coming through. Have you seen that?
Speaker 1:The big boy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the it's union Pacific, the big boy. It's the largest steam powered locomotive ever built.
Speaker 1:No, I don't know anything about this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's coming through uh and doing a tour and it's literally like equivalent to four diesel electric locomotives in one.
Speaker 1:Wow, it's huge like what, what train does it run on standard gauge? Yeah, yeah, like what train does it run on standard?
Speaker 2:gauge yeah. Wow and where is it going through? It's coming from somewhere in the Midwest and going all the way down to Houston and then turn around and come back and it's making stops along the way so people can look at it.
Speaker 1:It was built in 1941. Here I'll dump it in signal for you. Yeah, I mean I'm not like a super huge train nerd fan, but that I like tech in general.
Speaker 2:Um, and I played train simulator plenty well you know I I got to figure out how to you know my kids like trains, so I want to want them to go see it, but I also am leery of making them full-on foamers.
Speaker 1:You know, that's the worry yeah, well, do you think there's too much risk of that just from showing a single thing? No, I'm joking, yeah, I mean, you know, train spotting could become a thing.
Speaker 2:In the 1940s through 61,. It held the fuel, for it was coal, and it held 56,000 pounds of fuel.
Speaker 1:Wow 25,000 gallon water capacity 1.2 million pound weight Holy shit, holy capacity. 1.2 million pound weight Holy shit.
Speaker 2:Holy shit. Yeah, it's kind of big. It's a hundred, and the engine plus tender is a hundred and thirty three ding feet long.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 25,000 gallon water tank capacity yeah, that's what I just said. That is very impressive.
Speaker 2:It's a big fucking train.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'd go look at it. I've you know? I've been to the Russian Museum of Trains. I used to go there as a kid all the time. That was my favorite museum, and when I was in Russia last time I had to go to that museum as well. It was you know moral imperative. And holy shit was everything smaller than I remember, like the size of the world shrank when I became an adult.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, especially once you travel and once you get outside the us it feels way smaller, especially when you like go to do shopping or look around or do anything. It's like everything's made in china pretty much like you're walking around greece, the part that you know you're in athens, the parthenons in the. You're walking around Greece the Parthenon you know you're in Athens, the Parthenon's in the background. You're walking through these bazaars and everything and ah, fuck.
Speaker 1:It's already in China.
Speaker 2:Not quite, but you know.
Speaker 1:Did you steal anything from a Parthenon?
Speaker 2:Oh God no.
Speaker 1:Alright, good job, don't have done anything.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't do that. I took lots of photos I got to see it and everything else, but that's enough for me. Yeah, dude, I gotta hop on a plane next week yeah, you're back to travel.
Speaker 1:Speaking of the event I am well I'm.
Speaker 2:I'm doing a couple of things. Yeah, I'm speaking at an event and sitting on a panel.
Speaker 1:Some of them, yeah.
Speaker 2:Unfortunately. Yeah, it's kind of annoying. I have no security clearance. Why are you wanting to talk to me? You know more than me. Come on, yeah, exactly, leave me alone, well, these days. So security clearance. Why are you wanting to talk?
Speaker 1:to me. You know more than me, come on, yeah, exactly, leave me alone these days. So that's one of the things that uh, uh, I was talking to a friend that does have security clearance and we're talking about some stuff and and uh he said you know, just send him a copy of wikileaks, vault 7.
Speaker 2:See how long you talk to him.
Speaker 1:It's like 90% plus of everything that's right now classified was obtained through open source.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, Absolutely. And that's what I'm going to go feed into, and I hate it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is a sad day for traditional espionage these days.
Speaker 2:Why is that?
Speaker 1:Because everyone's just reporting shit and really the job of the analyst is just that these days it's just to analyze data that's coming in freely, open source, and to find the trends and bits and pieces that you're interested in. It's like there's no, there's no, uh, um, what we used to think of espionage back in the 80s and 90s happening these days? Or very little, let's put it that way. Now the Israelis are still putting bombs instead of pagers, so there is a little bit going on.
Speaker 2:Yeah, dude, actually that's going into my presentation next week. I'm fitting in the Israeli supply chain attack in my conversation in the israeli supply chain attack in my conversation?
Speaker 1:yeah, it's. It's a fascinating, uh fascinating to see somebody utilizing some out-of-the-box thinking like that well, I I mean moral, moral issues.
Speaker 2:Uh, aside aside, it highlights the risk of our supply chains very dramatically.
Speaker 1:Oh, China would never do something like that.
Speaker 2:I don't believe it was China. I believe they set up a fake company and intercepted and then offered to sell at best price.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, that's exactly what they did, but so what's your concern then?
Speaker 2:What do you mean?
Speaker 1:Well, you said that there's a risk to the supply chain.
Speaker 2:Oh, there's massive risk to the supply chain.
Speaker 1:But the supply chain is China.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but for if you're, so if you're, if you're doing what I do for a profession and someone asks you the question about what? Basically, one of the questions is what is the risk to our critical infrastructure?
Speaker 2:based off of geopolitics. Well, getting controllers, things from China, you know, transformers, lots of different items I can sit here and think of and list that I won't do on the podcast the daughterboards and the motherboard. There is no pure play. For instance, the only pure play PLC-esque vendor that was originally owned by Maximum Integrated Bedrock Automation. They went out of business Because no one wanted to pay the premium but hey, samsung built that huge facility here in texas.
Speaker 1:Yeah okay, they're not making the kind of chips I need you mean the really large size, old ones that are used in your field you know you make fun, but real-time electronics that are robust yeah, no, I I am making fun, but I know full well.
Speaker 1:This is why the 60s were more advanced than today. Because when they built shit back then not just the 60s, but even the 70s when they built shit in the 70s to spend in space with a with an eight year lifespan, it continues to function over 40 years. Why is that?
Speaker 2:uh, I assume you're talking about the, actually the 70s, and voyager one and two that's why I said yeah, 70s, um, and and the the. The short answer is because we didn't buy shit from china well, and it was very purposefully and specifically engineered for the task, and they kind of did it more robustly than necessary to sneak in extra mission time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely they did, but the grant was for an eight-year lifespan.
Speaker 2:Sure, but that's not the design lifespan by any stretch, and you know it's definitely showing its age at this point.
Speaker 1:Well, no shit, obviously, but my point stands in that there's nothing that we currently build that will last 40 years.
Speaker 2:Nothing, Well, I mean without update, without what?
Speaker 1:That will continue working for 40 years.
Speaker 2:I mean without maintenance. You've got to define that more, man.
Speaker 1:Name one thing that will continue working for 40 years, just without any limitations.
Speaker 2:Without any limitations, a power plant.
Speaker 1:Power plant how much of a power plant is the same parts 40 years later. Is it fair?
Speaker 2:to say it's the same plant.
Speaker 1:Is it fair to say it's the same plant, or has it been completely? One part at a time updated.
Speaker 2:No for a nuke, it's pretty much the same plant.
Speaker 1:They don't update them.
Speaker 2:No, and if they do, it is almost certainly going to be a like-kind replacement, not a new part, because the engineering approvals to get through the NRC is a nightmare.
Speaker 1:Well, there you go, maybe, Maybe that's it. But you know, I wish we were building a lot more of those, but we're not.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, you know, in 40 years we'll see what Vogel 3 and 4 are doing. I mean check that out.
Speaker 1:You'll see I'll be long dead. I won't see that shit, but you'll see it.
Speaker 2:Come on, come on, you're not that old, you can make it 40 years from now.
Speaker 1:I have a 99.9% chance I'm not alive.
Speaker 2:How old would you be in 40 years?
Speaker 1:Ancient.
Speaker 2:What 90?
Speaker 1:Yeah, 90-something.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You can make it. You've got that good Russian blood that's slowing down in your toe. I mean, technically speaking, all my relatives died in their 90s, except for my mom, who was in her late 70s, because of a. What do you call it? Stroke, stroke, aka. It was during the year of COVID. Therefore, she died of COVID.
Speaker 2:As far as the government's concerned, she didn't get the clot shot, did she?
Speaker 1:No, no, she was totally not getting any shots, which is of course why they say she died.
Speaker 2:Good for her.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, no, I was very adamant up until the end that we preserve her what she articulated her desires were before all this happened, which was no weird shots and no keeping the body alive when the brain's dead. So, but yeah, but my uh, I think one of my grandmas died at 90, the other one at 96.
Speaker 2:I had a great grandmother that made it to uh 98.
Speaker 1:Ah, that's pretty good. Yeah, I mean I shouldn't say that that's not technically true. And I do remember my, my grandma that made it to the oldest age for the last few years of her life, basically saying I wish that you know I would just die in my sleep, like several years ago. It's like you know I would just die in my sleep, like several years ago. Like you know, the body just starts deteriorating and I'm more worried about the mind than the body.
Speaker 2:Honestly, because watching my mom after the stroke was not pleasant. Oh I'm sure, man, I wouldn't wish that on anyone, nope. Not even my worst enemy. Well, I could probably think of one person. But yeah, jesus Christ, gene, hey, it's not fair to talk about Adam like that. Oh yeah, that's not what I was thinking of. I was thinking of somebody for you. Okay, fine, john, okay Okay.
Speaker 1:Yes, oh yeah, definitely John.
Speaker 2:But yeah, you don't know, Leo. So there you go.
Speaker 1:I do know, leo, in what capacity.
Speaker 2:I have. I mean, is this the way I know Leo?
Speaker 1:I don't know. I've got photos with Leo. I've got emails with his wife. I mean I don't know. I've got photos with leo. I I've got emails with his wife.
Speaker 2:I mean I don't know oh geez, yeah, no, I I just uh, I I don't know. Leo, oh okay, arcade patello or anything, I you know never.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I don't know, no no, the guy that I definitely don't know is, uh, kevin rose, because if I would have known him I would have tried to weasel my way into some money, but that guy I never met.
Speaker 2:I've been to a number of events where he's been at but just never crossed paths. I didn't know, Kevin but I have met and was involved with HD Moore in the early days.
Speaker 1:Back in the very, very early days of metasploit. Yeah, I've met him, but I he he wouldn't know who the hell I was.
Speaker 2:We were at an event. Oh, I'm sure hd wouldn't at this point either this was fucking decades ago. Yeah, I'm feeling old man. I'm feeling my age this weekend, everything you know. But hey I got some, uh, got some new targets set up at my little parents'.
Speaker 1:Lincoln range. So I had gotten well.
Speaker 2:So Midway had some sales and I got a new steel gong, some steel soda can targets that are pistol rated and they're kind of neat little hangers. And then my mom's wanting to work on her functional accuracy for concealed carry, so she's, I got her some silhouettes and a stand for it, yeah.
Speaker 1:Nice yeah.
Speaker 2:You know people overestimate when you look at a silhouette target and you realize the you know a and the you know c, ring and stuff like when you, when you really look at what the kill box is on the silhouette and you're talking, you know usually 25 feet is average engagement, yep, um come on man you eat that.
Speaker 1:It's not that hard to hit that no, no, uh, I will say that stress definitely makes it more difficult oh sure, um, you know, I've, I've, I've been in groups where, uh, there's simulated stress, meaning there's two people yelling at you the entire time, and then there's somebody shooting not too far away from you in a different direction and you're timed and boy, that combination of those three things, my accuracy just goes to shit, and I think the only solution is practice.
Speaker 2:Gene, you don't like someone yelling at you.
Speaker 1:Well, it's not that I like or dislike. I have an immediate desire to start debating with a person and I don't think about shooting them. I'm like let me explain to you how you're wrong.
Speaker 2:Oh, jesus Christ, why am I not surprised at that answer? Oh, it is fucking fun.
Speaker 1:I assume everybody has that immediate reaction. Am I wrong? I can't be wrong, so that couldn't be it. Um uh, dude, I make fun of myself better than anybody that? And then one thing, uh you reminded me that we should bring up is I had ordered a a steering wheel, though I I wish no. Um, you know, somebody decided to buy me one. I would probably keep it.
Speaker 2:Gene has solved his dating problem.
Speaker 1:Yeah, with a real doll, no I bought a Straight from Japan.
Speaker 2:It's one of the automated models oh it's one of the better ones, yes.
Speaker 1:Japanese are the best quality ones, not the cheap Chinese knockoffs Now it does come from the Hentai collection so Gene may or may not end up with a tentacle somewhere. Yeah, now does it come with those, or is that a separate purchase?
Speaker 2:Oh no, that's an add-on man.
Speaker 1:That's an add-on.
Speaker 2:That's a $10,000 add-on right.
Speaker 1:Damn, they're articulating tentacles then.
Speaker 2:Oh, it's got to be. You've got to get that prostate massage in. Fully articulate yeah, and it prevents you from having to go to the doctor because it saves you. It does the exam for you.
Speaker 1:Perfect, good deal. God damn it. Ben Shut the fuck up, so I got a steering wheel. I had ordered this.
Speaker 2:Is that what?
Speaker 1:we're calling it now. Oh my God, it's more than just the sting reel.
Speaker 2:We record this at 930 at night. I am devolving to a childlike persona, beavis and Butthead yes, by the way, have you seen the meme which Of Butthead getting in the wrestling picture and it's P Diddy's face on it? No, oh, my God, he's got a butter.
Speaker 1:No, I did not see that.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, it's all there is sorry, you just made me think of that okay, all right.
Speaker 1:Um, so I was. I was driving american truck simulator, getting some some wheel time, and a video came up that I decided I was going to watch, because I'm a pretty good driver, I can drive and watch videos pretty well.
Speaker 2:You're not a tempt in real life, yeah exactly Good call there.
Speaker 1:And this video was done by the company that makes American Truck Sim. Video was done by the company that makes american truck sim where one of their community contributor dudes or whatever community manager was testing a new piece of hardware made by this german company which is like a I'm sure people have seen, like video game steering wheels and with pedals and shifters and stuff and I mean.
Speaker 2:I mean, you don't want the german version, though you know that that gets a little messy no, I do want the german version.
Speaker 1:So, uh, so on the lark I decided to pull the trigger on this thing on amazon and it was backordered. So I thought, well, I got plenty of time. I, if I change my mind, I can cancel. It's not a big deal and, to be fair, this was a modestly priced truck steering wheel combo deal.
Speaker 2:What's modestly priced.
Speaker 1:Under $1,000. Because a lot of them are like several thousand dollars.
Speaker 2:Why, why?
Speaker 1:It's the really high quality of Bosch motors.
Speaker 2:But why would you spend that much to simulate driving a truck?
Speaker 1:I mean, they make the truck experience better.
Speaker 2:There we go. The truth comes out.
Speaker 1:If you want the good quality stuff, you've got to go German Until they close the factories. Then we'll be screwed. We'll have no high quality.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean most German factories are moving to the US as fast as they can.
Speaker 1:Exactly, and you know who's going to work there Mexicans. So my dilemma is this I wouldn't completely sold on spending the money for this thing. Completely sold on spending the money for this thing. I I, you know drive american trucks maybe once a week, maybe every other week, so a few times a month. This is a pretty major accessory that takes up almost the entire desk, and I already have pedals in the 18 speed shifter permanently mounted to the desk, as is but the steering wheel I was just using from my racing sim, so I have that wheel. So the question is do I keep this or do I return it? I got it. It showed up a couple days ago. It's still sitting in its box. I haven't opened it yet. You return it?
Speaker 2:I'm trying to decide right it is. It is certainly the cost of a gun yeah, the question is turn it and you go buy a gun do I buy a gun to add to my collection?
Speaker 1:where, if months, or uh-huh, do I? You know? I don't know, man, I'm still.
Speaker 2:I don't know if that says more about your range time or your gun collection exactly.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm gonna bring eight guns tomorrow, so we'll see how that goes, okay. Um, so we'll probably have about 12 total guns there, because my buddy brought some revolvers and then I'm bringing my uh, my entire israeli collection and then a few other favorite guns and speaking of um, aim surplus has some leo uh ammo on sale.
Speaker 2:It's normally okay only, but since it's resale, and surplus yeah, yeah, 40 cal. Oh yeah, that's a good stuff. Hornady critical defense, yep, e plus p 40 cal.
Speaker 1:Uh 50 round boxes for 20, uh 20 box nice, that's actually not a bad price for that ammo it really isn't like if you and I've shot that before it does kick like a mule yeah, but if you get the normal horn, and the critical defense uh ammo.
Speaker 1:You're 40 a box, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I I've always been partial to hydra shocks, yeah wow, I still have a preference, man yeah, I still have my 45 loaded with hydra shocks yeah, you and that cop killer ammo from the 90s exactly the ammo that was so good, it was banned by name.
Speaker 1:The ammo that was so good, it was banned by name. No, that was actually not the Hydroshocks. The Hydroshocks were not ever banned, although they were just talked about poorly. The actual one was black. What was it called? It's like Black Falcon or Black something.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was essentially a soft point with a steel core penetrator.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I still have some of those. Those were legal to buy. No, they, some of those those were legal to buy no, they're totally legal. They're legal to buy. You just couldn't buy them after a certain date and I bought them in the 80s. What were they called? Black Talon? That's what it was. Black Talon yeah, they were shredding vests.
Speaker 2:The interesting thing that happens with um kevlar when it's hit with teflon or a small pointy object well, yes, is the uh federal teflon coated ammo that's supposed to reduce on lead content when you're shooting at the range is what you should get I'm sure it reduces that.
Speaker 1:I also have a shit ton of israeli plastic coated bullets. Are you seeing?
Speaker 2:these israeli uh wire. That's better for your barrel doing that better for your barrel is it?
Speaker 1:apparently it must be, but they're funky man, they're like red colored yeah um, yeah, that's the federal ammo is red colored. I wonder if that's who makes it for them. I wonder if that's a contract. That probably is a contract. How much is the federal stuff? Probably cheaper than the IDF stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's pretty cheap.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then I only bought one box because the price is insanely expensive of the uh the uh the full plastic ammunition you mean plastic casing? Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly yeah yeah, the actual round is not plastic. The, uh, the casing's plastic, that shit was like four bucks a round so I'm like in 308. So I was like I'm not getting more than one box. No 80 cents around is about the right spot for 308 right now. The good ammo used to be a buck around for 308, like the stuff I used to shoot.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this is cheap ammo now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, but I've never paid four bucks around for any gun that I've owned, until I bought those.
Speaker 2:I have.
Speaker 1:Have you, yeah, what size.
Speaker 2:Well, my .300 Rum. That's part of the reason why I stopped. Yeah, my .300 Rum. That's part of the reason why I got the .308 Bagara that I have for long range is because I already had some 308s I wanted a 65 creed more. But I couldn't justify another experimental, potentially expensive cartridge in my life yeah, you already had the 68 too, didn't you?
Speaker 1:yeah, but the 300 rum, um, it's a remington ultra mag which is the most powerful of the 300s, so it goes wind mag, weatherby mag, 300 rum, like 300 rum, is the same basic cartridge design, it's just net down, which means it's a faster round then, it's funny, I was at the cabela's uh, their gun closet, whatever the hell it's called, the gun gun library or whatever it's called, and so I was looking at a bunch of different rifles there just past time and um, they, I noticed one of them was substantially cheaper than all the others and I was like, what is this round? Is this some weird round? I've never heard of this. This rum, what is this round? Is this some weird round? I've never heard of this rum round.
Speaker 1:What is that and why is it cheaper? And the guy kind of looks at me and he kind of smiles and he goes so there's a reason that these are cheaper. It's because almost everyone who buys one wants to get rid of it and trade it in for something else, and we get a disproportionate amount of these coming in as trades. And so he, he effectively talked me out of uh, buying it I love my 300 rome.
Speaker 2:It's just an expensive round. So if I'm on midway right now, I'm looking it up current ammo prices. Let's sort by price per round midway usa yeah, yeah. So price the cheapest price, uh per round is barnes vortex, which is not a bad round, but only 165 grand, which for that gun is pretty slight, is three dollars and 24 cents around that cheapest. The most expensive 300 rum that they have right now is Swift high-grade bonded 300 rum. 200 grain hunting grounds for $5.75. That's $114 a box.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so pretty expensive. Yeah, and I do a lot of my own loads. I've got a ton of brass so it's not a problem, but it's just not something I can go shoot a lot right, um, but I will say about, like, when you go to the range, you don't fuck around I, I don't, yeah, I liked it well. I like to go fuck around and I like to spend you you know drum some ammo, but what I mean by not fucking around is you don't go and do one box.
Speaker 1:No no shoot a lot.
Speaker 2:I will say this the the 300 rum. When I first built it in the early two thousands and like it's got a custom stock on it, like I blueprinted it out it's, it's a nice, nice gun, but it's just very expensive to shoot at this point. Um, I developed a target load that I was doing for long range. That was 150 grain bullet yeah, coming out of this gun, which is uber light for this gun, right yeah, dude, I'm looking at uh cheaper than dirt.
Speaker 1:Uh, cheapest ammo is four bucks around yeah, midway, like I said, 324, damn.
Speaker 2:But anyway, this 150 grain bullet I was shooting was doing uh like 3 400 feet per second. 150 grain.
Speaker 1:Yeah, wow, I thought they don't go lower than 165 and that no, no, I was loading a.
Speaker 2:It was a hand-loaded gun oh, you're doing a experimental. I was doing a 308 because it's 30 caliber doesn't matter.
Speaker 1:I was doing 149 grain, whatever it is uh sierra boat tails in this, with 92 grains of I forget which imi or imr powder behind it and chronographing it around 32 to 3400 feet per second yeah, that's insane which is uber, uber flat at range and fuck you and your 65 creed more and how long is your barrel last again, ben, 100 rounds oh yeah, I mean well, not quite that bad, yeah, but I think I think you're supposed to check it at 100 and you should replace it 500 no, not that bad that's what the store guy told me yeah, well, he's wrong.
Speaker 2:Um, so first of all, using a fast burning powder and part, I wasn't like over pressuring the round or anything, I was just going with a lighter projectile and you know the the advantage of that is it's still a heavy enough projectile. That, okay, your coefficient is going to be your coefficient on the round. But you know, and 6.5, yes, is going to be less affected by wind because it's got a better ballistic coefficient, got it it. But at the same time, when you've got that heavy of around going that fast, you're getting way down range real quick before a lot of stuff can take effect like your bullets dwell time in.
Speaker 1:You know how long it's affected as it's going through the air from wind and everything else is going to have an effect on it, so anyway, now, are you a fan of the uh not ballistic tips or not?
Speaker 2:ah, they're fine. I not for hunting. For hunting, soft point is the way to go and none of this a-frame bullshit. I've lost deer because of a really yeah, okay, um, no, just a real soft point. Is what I like for hunting? Now, ballistically, are they better? Sure, but are they going to deform the way they need to if they don't hit something hard?
Speaker 1:Not in my experience.
Speaker 2:Like if you hit a, if you hit bone, sure they will deform. If you hit the rib cage and you know go through there less likely. Hit the rib cage and you know go through there less likely. Um, yeah, it's got to hit something substantial for it to really deform the way it needs.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Did I ever tell you about the hang fire I had with that 300 rum?
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:So it was. I was developing that round and playing around with it and I was out at the range and I'm behind the gun. It's a big gun, right. It's a lot of recoil, it's you know, and I don't have muzzle brake on it, it's just crown barrel and that's it, and I pull the trigger and nothing happens. You know, I hear click, fuck, so I stay on the gun and I just start counting. One. One thousand two, one thousand three, one thousand four, one thousand five, boom.
Speaker 1:Wow, that's, that's not good.
Speaker 2:Well, I immediately stopped, ejected the round, took all the rounds home, pulled the bullets out of them, started inspecting and you want to know what happened pulled the bullets out of them, started inspecting and you want to know what happened. A piece of tumbler media, oh no, gotten in the flash hole of the primer oh, okay, okay, okay so when the primer went off, that walnut tumbler media yep, lit on fire, but it took it a second to burn through till it lit off the gunpowder yeah, it's got a very different uh burn rate basically I made a cannon with a fuse, exactly, exactly but that was not a fun experience and you know it taught me a lesson.
Speaker 1:Taught me a lesson I've never had a hanging fire in any of my guns. Oh, it's not true. I've had them in 22s. I think everyone's had them in .22s. .22s are just shitty cheap ammo, but other than .22s I've not experienced that. But I have experienced what do you call it when the gun goes full auto A bump fire. No, not a bump fire.
Speaker 2:A land fire.
Speaker 1:Like when it cooks off yeah, yeah yeah, when it, when it effectively that this the seer doesn't seem to be doing anything so I had an experience like that with a old sks.
Speaker 2:That oh shocker cause that had it was it had cosmoline. It'd been stored in cosmoline and when we cleaned it up I didn't take the bolt apart and I didn't think about the bolt being full of cosmoline yeah well, cosmoline is a very thick, viscous grease right, and so I start shooting this gun, and I'm a kid at the time, man, I, you know stupid, I don't know anything.
Speaker 1:And all of a sudden, you're fully qualified to handle a firearm, Ben. Let's just make sure we say the correct things here.
Speaker 2:Oh, absolutely. But all of a sudden the gun is going off and I am no longer pulling the trigger, and it ran out of ammo before it stopped.
Speaker 1:Thankfully you didn't have a big drum on there.
Speaker 2:Well, what happened was, you know, shooting cheap Soviet ammo and everything dirt got into that bolt eventually, and it was gritty enough in that Cosmoline that the firing pin got stuck forward. So every time the bolt went back and it loaded, slam fired and slam fire, boom, fire, boom fire, boom fire yeah so anyway, needless to say, I learned how to take the bolt apart on an sks clean it up and fix it but yeah you know.
Speaker 1:You gotta admit, though, that as a military weapon, you'd be much better off having a slam fire than to have the gun just not fire at all uh, disagree I don't, I fully don't, disagree with that statement I would assume not, since you said it. But uh-huh, um yeah, because you're um, you know you might kill somebody.
Speaker 2:Yeah, your buddy or yourself, no, no, the bad guys, damn it. The bad guys you might kill. So have you listened to Cry Havoc yet?
Speaker 1:I started. I think I'm in Chapter 2. I fell asleep at some point. I'm not sure how much of it. I slept through, so I'm gonna. I'm back to chapter two set sleep timers. You've told me that before I I don't know. Maybe I'm like by the time I start listening, I'm already too sleepy to push a button that says sleep timer well, cry havoc I.
Speaker 2:I thought so. This is by a american who's one of our favorite authors here on the show yeah, that's a fair statement it's outside of the normal going home universe, which is what he's pretty famous for, yeah, and, but it's, it's in the same vein and it's just. It's good. It's not his best, it's not great, but it's a good fiction there.
Speaker 1:There's two sides to this coin but I have to say, for people that were or have been or still are in the infosec world, it's really compelling reading because, very much like clancy, he uses a lot of specific brands and details and shit like that Some of his details, especially on the MacGuffin that happens is a little wrong from my perspective.
Speaker 2:But, you know, barring that pretty good Like if you're not in the InfoSec world, it'll sound totally legit to you?
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, exactly. But if you are, I mean you're gonna want to correct them. Obviously, like you said, I was doing that with clancy too, but but at the same time, yeah, when he was talking about the russian spies it's like that's not the correct translation of that from russian to english.
Speaker 1:God damn it, damn it. No, it's a. There is something kind of cool about reading writing by somebody that uses lingo, even if sometimes debatable, if it's quite correct, but nonetheless uses lingo of the field that you're in, and I don't care what I mean.
Speaker 1:I guess it'd be equal, if I was a medical doctor, to be reading a book where the main character was, yeah, like house, for, like you know, I'm not a doctor but and I certainly found plenty of things that house was wrong about on that show, but pucker none, nonetheless, it is enjoyable to watch a show that doesn't just use, you know, super simple eighth or not for eighth grade, sixth grade, comprehension level language, yeah, um, yeah, speaking of house, you know, I think I still have like seven episodes left it, it fell apart there it really did, yeah, which is why I kind of stopped uh like I don't know that I finished the last season of house and I watched it when it was gone.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, house did teach me that I should be taking venom and cake, so I'm definitely thankful for that one thing I'll say real quick before we wrap up the book is if you haven't delved into the a american going home series yet and you're interested, you can read this book. It's a standalone book. It's not as best, but if you like that book, you're going to love.
Speaker 2:Going Home. If you're mildly entertained by this book, going Home is way better, but I, as a fan of his work, having read every book he's written so far, I had to read this, and I read it pretty quickly.
Speaker 1:I'm shocked you didn't find it sooner and I'm happy that you sent it to me as soon as you found it, but I'm surprised that you didn't track it down when we were reading all the original books.
Speaker 2:Well, because I looked at his nonfiction stuff that he wrote before. So he actually started going home before he wrote this book and I don't know if he started this story and it just didn't get published after going home, was already working or something, but it reads like a like an earlier work to me. To be honest, I was surprised by its publication date. So I guess when I was looking at stuff that he wrote before and then didn't see anything really other than nonfiction stuff, oh well, this is his first main series and I never really just looked and found it finally popped up on a recommendation for me yeah, that's and of course this that many kudos go out to the, the guy who reads the book oh, yeah, yeah, duke, fontaine on the audience mention is great that is such a fake fucking name that is a name.
Speaker 2:What's your name, duke Fontaine? Next thing, you're going to say that Darren thinks Taylor Swift's name is Taylor Swift.
Speaker 1:He does. No, I'm sure he knows for real.
Speaker 2:Has his real name tattooed on himself somewhere I don't know, man, I don't, I don't get it like if you're gonna be into some teeny bopper, uh we all have chick music thing person yeah, that's what I just never really found her to be particularly interesting or attractive yeah, I don't know, man like, I was listening to some music this weekend sitting around the fire pit with my parents talking and, um the uh, my mom was playing some music and this artist came up and I didn't. It sounded so familiar. I'm like who the? Hell is this I? I had never heard of wage innings before.
Speaker 1:I haven't heard him.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, he's Waylon's grandson, he's really good. Yeah, and he's got a lot of that Waylon sound to him. He's pretty good Interesting. Yeah, I don't know, I, I, I. I'm just an old soul when it comes to lot of this pop shit and everything, just never did it for me I say that.
Speaker 1:But as a, as a teenager, you know I, I listened to some crap music too, so well, it was a lot easier when I was a teenager because mtv actually played music, yeah, so you could watch like half naked hot girls while listening to music on the tv. By the time you were a kid, they were mostly reality station I just never watched mtv very much well, why would you?
Speaker 2:it's all reality television right, but it was never like even in the 90s and stuff for me with, where mtv was still mostly playing music and older. It's like 91 is really when they kind of shifted yeah, well, anyway, mtv was I, I was post mtv generation.
Speaker 1:That's yeah, yeah, for sure it's like the, the guy that I uh had dinner with today. Um, he's, he's younger, he's younger, he's actually younger than you, but he is a total old soul kind of guy, like if you listen to him talk or you talk to him, you'd think he's 50. He has those types of sensibilities.
Speaker 2:So what went wrong that he's voting for Harris?
Speaker 1:No, no, no, the other guy Not the liberal. This is the other guy that came to surprise him. Ah. I got you, the guy who's conservative, who listens to our podcast. Actually they both listen to the podcast, but I think one of them just hate listening. The other ones enjoy listening. But he mentioned he's like yo. I just bought a new car and I drove down here in that car.
Speaker 2:I'm like oh, what'd you get?
Speaker 1:He got a Corvette. I'm like, oh shit, interesting what year he says 91. Because he doesn't like stuff with all the electronics in it. He likes stuff that he can tinker with and run and you know it's going to survive a uh blast. And I'm like 91. Yeah damn, I I probably had a poster of that car. I remember when that thing was on the cover of uh motor track headlights no, this is post pop-up headlights, but it was a like the. That vet was definitely starting to bring back American pride.
Speaker 2:Because for a while there no the night one had pop-up headlights, Did it? I thought it was supposed to pop up.
Speaker 1:Nope, the late the 80s vets were very, they were lost souls. So this started kind of rekindling that and I think it was like, compared to other sporty cars back in those days it had very good uh, 060 times, blah, blah, blah. So I'm like, dude, what? When were you born? How the hell can you remember? Because he said that he, he remembered this thing and he really liked the vets back then too. I'm like, how? Because he was born in like 95. And I'm like, how do you remember that vet before you were born?
Speaker 1:Because you know, I have to point out things to people that they're wrong about. They appreciate that about me. And then he said, well, you know, I have to point out things to people that they're wrong about, they appreciate that about me. And then he said, well, you know, when I was a little kid, I remember seeing these and they may have been used cars, but there was still plenty of them out there. And I'm like, okay, well, maybe, but I remember seeing this on the cover of magazines when it first came out and going, oh man, when I'm rich, I'm buying one of these.
Speaker 1:And I probably out and going, oh man, when I'm rich, I'm buying one of these and I and I probably could have bought one at some point in time. But I shifted to cadillacs, because I actually sat down in one of these corvettes and I I realized that it really sucks sitting in one of these things for fat dude not that I was fat, I was just big bone time but it was still one of those things were. It's just like I'm a lot more comfortable sitting in the Cadillac than I am on these things. And it's the same motor, right? They both have the LT1 motors. Yeah, in the end I didn't buy either one of those cars, but thought about it and got pretty close, but then I got sued and had to use the money for lawyers Ugh lawyers yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah you know I am worried about what lawyers are going to cost me here in this near future well, you know how much they charge, yeah speaking of we, uh, I think since our last podcast, since we skipped a week because I was very busy, we were well, and, to be fair, we were planning always on skipping that week because I was going to fly yes, uh, to visit my dad and and then you were going to be traveling and busy and stuff, so so planned skippage, yeah, turned out I couldn't fly to visit my dad because I got fucking gout, which I talked about on, um, unrelenting uh, and that's thankfully with the drugs that I got prescribed instead of lasting a full week, as has been the case in the past, lasted four days, but still, it was right during when I was going to be leaving, and I don't like the idea of traveling where my my feet are super sensitive and I can't step certain ways and you're trying to walk into an airplane, uh-uh.
Speaker 1:So anyway, we missed the week, but we, we definitely. I think where you're going with us ben correct me if I'm wrong is is, uh, thanking and uh, appreciating the, the fine folks that do support us and, um, you know, help to cover the charges that we pay for hosting.
Speaker 2:And, yeah, we had uh, we had a couple more people come in here in the last little bit.
Speaker 2:So thank y'all and uh really appreciate it. We're, you know we've got some reoccurring uh donors now that, uh, you know, cover hosting and everything else and make it not a burden for gene and I to do this show. So, and it's you know what, more than anything, you know we're not making any money to speak of off the show, but it's encouraging that there are now eight of y'all that are active and yeah, and and and making it. Uh, you know something that is appreciated and that's. That's good to hear, that's encouraging.
Speaker 1:It's the best kind of feedback, because what you're telling us is there's some value to what we're doing here, beyond just us flapping our our jaws, um, which we've said before we'd be doing anyway. But uh, y'all get to listen in on our private conversations because we're recording them and putting them out as podcasts. Let's go, it's all good stuff. Well, given that we are recording this kind of late, unlike our usual morning sessions of recording, I'm trying to think if there's anything else I got.
Speaker 2:Otherwise we'd probably wrap it up. I mean, I was going to talk to you at some point in time about uh the idf and lebanon.
Speaker 1:But you know we can, we can say, oh sure, we can, because by next time, you know, they'll probably have marched in. So well you know, there's not really a country called lebanon uh-huh yeah, you've heard that before, have you? Uh-huh uh-huh, yes, it's, it's the greater levon out there, and you know, historically speaking, who knows what a woman is. Oh, I, I know what I was going to tell you. I finally watched that movie what is a woman?
Speaker 1:yeah yeah, it's, it's not bad I finally waited long enough to watch it for free without doing what darren does. I watched it for free legitimately, because it was broadcast to all the members of daily wire I mean it's been available on daily wire's website for a long time it has.
Speaker 2:It's the first time I've seen it no, it's been out there for a long time.
Speaker 1:Well shit, I thought it just came out no okay, well, I finally watched it. At least let me know when the new one's out, because I probably won't know about that either.
Speaker 2:Then yeah, I have. You know what I do want to go see. Uh, am I racist? Yeah, I do want to go see it yeah, I have not yet, but it's supposed to be good um.
Speaker 1:I've seen probably 20 minutes worth of clips from it, yeah, and it does look really good Like better than what is a Woman, which was pretty damn good in itself.
Speaker 2:Well, what is a Woman wasn't set out to be a comedy. The way this is this set out to be a comedy.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, and I do think that Matt has a way of looking very unemotional, like he has a deadpan. That works very well. It's difficult for a lot of people to hold a deadpan when they're met with conflicting viewpoints that they don't share. It is a little bit of an exercise in self-control. Matt does an absolutely beautiful job of really playing the persona of that centrist, like dipping his toe into woke ideology and really wanting to learn, kind of guy.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But in the process of doing that the absurdities are right there, like they're standing naked and they're pretending that everyone's wearing clothes and Matt's going right along with it. But through his conversation the absurdity of those positions becomes more apparent and it's great. I I hope he can make more of those. I think at some point he's going to be too well known to be able to do that kind of like borat in a way. Um, you know, but you think about borat the um. It's actually just a meaner version of what matt's been doing in his movies it's just sort of talking to regular people under pretense of being somebody else and a less and less motivated uh.
Speaker 1:So, like matt's, you know, trying at a social point, borat is just an asshole well, yeah, borat's an asshole, but I think borat was very, very much a liberal asshole.
Speaker 2:Yeah um, you know, and I even I laughed at the Ron Paul scene. Okay, like I'm not that serious that I couldn't laugh at it, it was funny but I think, I think Sasha Baron Cohen's better work was actually Ali G. Yeah, ali G.
Speaker 1:No, not dictator Ali G.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but the bridge dictator yeah.
Speaker 1:I watched the dictator. It's very childish but you and I have herpes, seems very, seems very. Yeah, spot on for like an emirati great movie. So his character, ollie g I think, did play basically a moron, uh, who doesn't realize he's a moron and talks like he's hot shit and knows everything and doesn't understand other people's reactions to it, like that I thought was a very well done character.
Speaker 1:You know he's a classical actor, right okay in the, in the sense that he actually went to drama school. He has a degree in, you know, not just acting but like dramatic acting, from one of the you know, finest london acting schools, blah, blah, blah, whatever. And I will say I don't know if you watched it or not the movie he was in where he played the egyptian spy uh-huh best acting out of him I've ever seen anything.
Speaker 1:He did a great job playing that character. He was very believable in it. Um, you know, is one of the the best israeli spies in the history of israel. Uh was when they got that guy um, because he basically he he was an egyptian that uh ended up working for uh massad um. But he did a great job of playing that character. I thought he was uh. I think he should do more dramatic stuff. I think he would be good at it so what do you think?
Speaker 2:uh is musk gonna buy info wars I don't know, dude.
Speaker 1:I think musk says a lot of stuff, and so does alex. I also think that musk has people that do due due diligence. As someone who's also done that in the past, I think that the InfoWars sale could be structured in a way to make it worthwhile, but you're asking the courts to approve everything. That's not a fun thing.
Speaker 2:If the sale goes through and musk buys it, because who's gonna buy infowarscom? Well who's gonna bid on that?
Speaker 1:I mean, if they would have hired me when I sent them my resume, I could have been working on that right now right, but I I I can see him doing it, dude.
Speaker 2:Yeah, maybe I mean I'm not going to say he isn't going to, especially with the way X is going and the shit he's getting, and everything else Just pointing it at X.
Speaker 1:The thing that's amazing to me is that two years ago, musk was saying that Alex Jones will never be on X because you know he had a child that died and he can't imagine somebody causing grief to parents of dead children the way that Alex caused. That was two years ago. How much has changed in two years, man? It's incredible. In two years, man, it's incredible. Yeah, musk went from being a a free speech centrist for the most part he voted democrat in the past to best buddies of trump and uh, on the the kill list in ukraine.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, it's like jesus, this is crazy science fiction type shit well, I think a lot woke up.
Speaker 2:I think he woke up to a large degree because of some of the trans issues, one of his kids going through it and things like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, one of his sons is now a daughter or something. Yeah, it's, I mean I'm I'm glad. I think it should have happened sooner. Honestly, I'm not sure why it took him that long.
Speaker 1:I guess he, like a lot of people, once you get a certain level of financial freedom, the people you tend to associate are of that status as well, and the vast, vast majority of rich people are liberals, and one of the biggest and one of the biggest I'm trying to parody the phrase of what is it? The biggest con the devil ever pulled was convincing people he didn't exist, or something like that. This is one of the biggest cons or scams that I think has been pulled is that the vast majority of the middle class, the 90% of Americans who are either middle class or lower income, think that rich people are Republicans? I've been, I guess. Through whatever circumstances, I've ended up either working for or with, or just being around a disproportionate number of rich people, and when I say rich people, I don't mean somebody with a million dollar house, I mean their net worth has got to be at least 15, 20 million and probably more like 100 million. At least 15, 20 million and probably more like 100 million. Every single one of those people, with two that I can think of as the exceptions. So two exceptions out of probably hundreds of people um, 98 liberal rich people, by default, are liberal.
Speaker 1:The working that they always keep referring to is a label they put on serfs. Because that's what you are You're a serf, and they are not. And they don't represent you, but they will tell you they do. And when they get together, when you're in a conference where the ticket price is $5,000 or $10,000, it's self-selected, there are no poor people in there. And when rich people start talking freely amongst themselves, that's when a lot of different people that they kind of pigeonhole into being incapable of making their own decisions comes out. Um, you know, they talk about the uh, internalized white guilt. Well, they practice that, like they're actively doing that in reality, and then they're pointing the fingers at everybody else saying that, hey, I'm doing the work, you should as well. Well, what they don't really think about is that nobody else is calling anybody that is slightly shorter than them, with slightly darker skin, a servant, like they don't. They think that most people don't. Most people don't categorize people like that it's not.
Speaker 2:It's not race based anymore, it's just economic it is economic base, but but it's not.
Speaker 1:It's. I don't think it's fair to say it's not race based, because the number red hyax, the new road to serfdom no okay, well, start there, because it's it's exactly what you're talking about okay. Well it's. I'm telling you from my lived experiences. This is my truth, so quit interrupting.
Speaker 2:So the point being uh, you know this, do the work, ben.
Speaker 1:Do the work. You know this, a lot of our listeners know this, but sadly, the vast majority of the American public does not know this, and that is that if you want to see the people that think of you as less than you are, if you want to see the people that want to separate you from themselves, all those people have two things in common they have a high net worth and they vote Democrat. And, more importantly than voting Democrat, they donate money to the Democrats who do run. So there's your answer. If you want to not support the people that see you as the little guy, the insignificant, then don't support Democrats, because that's exactly how they see you. There's my tirade for the night.
Speaker 2:Yeah, your tirade for the night. Yeah, your tirade for the night.
Speaker 1:But it's true and you know I mean you can do the same thing that I've done, which is just kind of smile and nod and, you know, collect money from these folks, but deep down I know they don't speak for and and. I certainly don't speak for them Again.
Speaker 2:I've been the new road to serfdom.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:All right, man, we'll talk to you this weekend.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, see you next week, all right, bye.
