Episode 35 - Rini from Wilderness Labs

This episode has a smell of success about it. There is an aroma of positivity and friendship in the air as we speak to perfumer Rini, a late diagnosed autistic who owns and runs Wilderness Labs, an award-winning business that sells botanical Solid Perfumes and Lotion Bars. Rini talks about her life and her late diagnosis with such clarity and positivity. There are so many facets to her journey that others will associate with and if you are anything like the hosts, you will be inspired to try making your own perfumes or at least smell the world with a different nose.

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Transcript

Interview with Rini-transcript.txt

latetothepartyasd is Dan

05:24.51
latetothepartyasd
Okay, I'm I'm so looking forward to the start of this because last last episode where we had to read select s scripts and because Biancas a wedding celebrant hers was fabulous and mine. Not so much.

05:27.69
Bianca
Okay, great. Um.

05:28.75
Rini
Ah, yeah, okay, lots. So.

05:36.41
Rini
So yeah, yeah, excellent. Ah I love public speaking and we we leaner. Yeah.

05:40.53
Bianca
Um.

05:44.41
latetothepartyasd
And so I'll be go well.

05:46.72
Bianca
Yes I do too and as you saw I saw what you rare you wrote? Um I agree I I much more comfortable speaking to a lot of people when when I have like an elotement and there's like 2 or 4 people. That's so much more awkward than if it's a hundred people or two hundred feet whatever yeah so what.

05:53.40
Rini
With a goat. Yeah awkward. Yeah yeah.

05:58.78
latetothepartyasd
I come I can't wait to hear how you go with this.

06:04.63
Bianca
The thing is Dan so Dan I'm doing the bio and the thing that Dan doesn't really realize even though I've told you I'm a little bit of a hippie I already know those words because I've used them before so um, anyway I may not be perfect in this. But yeah anyway, so what I'll do is I'll just read an intro to it's.

06:13.79
latetothepartyasd
Yeah.

06:21.54
Rini
Sure, Okay, um, will I know what they are okay.

06:23.70
Bianca
You're wondering what fancy words it's nothing too fancy. It's just um, yeah, yeah, no, you know what? they know it's just um, okay so it is rinny though. It isn't I've been reading it and I haven't said it out loud. Okay I just want to make sure and okay so Rennie is a perfect. Oh.

06:25.16
latetothepartyasd
Um.

06:33.30
Rini
Um, yes, yes, yeah, that's.

06:40.62
Bianca
Already stuffed it up perfu ah, he said hey you say that yes sorinnie is a perfumer from the northwest of Tasmania from a young age. She showed a fascination with perfume how they smellt and the shape of their bottles as young as 8 she was already experimenting with making her own fragrances. This fascination has remained with her today through her company wilderness lab in which she brings to the fore her skills in science organisation and strategic thinking wilderness lab is an award-winning seller of botanical solid perfumes with losh and lotion bars. The products are sustainable vegan friendly and kind to sensitive skin her products do not contain harsh chemicals alcohol synthetic fragrances parabens phalates Sls petrochemicals or animal products what they do contain is sense to delight. The olfactory system and chant the puriform cortex parts of your brain and calm the nervous system her products are sold all over the world. Rini offers us such a powerful message for us late diagnosed people. And that is that we can create a situation that plays to our unique strengths and eliminates conditions that cause us problems when we and then we can thrive and succeed so welcome to the podcast free. Well how did I go.

07:55.47
Rini
Um, thank you very much that was excellent. Yeah yeah I don't think so I mean phthalates is ah is a is a tricky one. But um, yeah, think you did.

07:58.69
latetothepartyasd
Ah, you probably recognize a few of the words.

08:02.00
Bianca
Which words did I were there any of the words did I actually misspronounced no elites phalates phalates. But I think I said for like phalates because I wrote up on um, ah gorgeously greened. Do you know that book. It's a book I got this book and there's like range of 3 so I used to make all my own.

08:13.82
Rini
Yeah.

08:20.92
Bianca
Products land doesn't know about. But yes, so it was all we talked it talked a lot about for Lates and ss and all these sorts of things so used to make shampoos and body washes and scrubs and um, yeah, just house products anyway. So that's anyway, we're not talking about me. We're talking about you.

08:21.00
Rini
Um, oh great. Yeah, excellent, beautiful. Yeah, um, yeah.

08:24.79
latetothepartyasd
Wow.

08:37.19
Rini
Yeah, that was great I really liked in that introduction how you talked about um because for me perfume is it's got many aspects to it and obviously it's one of my special interests. But um for me, there's a lot of emotion and comfort in in fragrance. And so because I'm quite sensitive I have a sensitive nose and I can I can smell people which which doesn't mean I go around sniffing people but but right so so people I can kind of smell their personality if that makes sense and so there are particular people in my life. Um that I.

09:04.65
latetothepartyasd
Are.

09:06.15
Bianca
Um I can smell people too The annis.

09:10.59
latetothepartyasd
I.

09:16.87
Rini
I just I don't know it's it's a bit hard to explain you'd probably understand Bianca if you have the same issue. So for me when I'm out in public. For example, I'm I'm on a flight somewhere or I'm in a public space and there's a lot of people I can smell. Um.

09:21.83
Bianca
Um, yes, yes.

09:23.57
latetothepartyasd
Are.

09:33.64
Bianca
Um, yes.

09:34.35
Rini
Do get overwhelmed by that. So for me fragrance if I have a fragrance on my wrist. Um, it's a way of me to comfort myself. Um I guess it's kind of like olfactory stimming if you want to call it something. Um, so I have I will just you know, kind of go like this. Um and.

09:38.70
latetothepartyasd
Oh yeah.

09:42.53
Bianca
Um, is it's really good. Yeah, it's amazing.

09:52.28
Rini
It will ah you know help me to calm down and um, you know So so that's kind of how it worked for me and I know initially um, it was when I was younger.

09:54.21
latetothepartyasd
Um, interesting and only.

09:56.65
Bianca
Um, fierce.

09:58.27
latetothepartyasd
Are.

10:04.68
Rini
It was more about, um you know Avon and um, the synthetic fragrances that you could get and I used to I think I've written I used to love my mum's perfumes I'd I'd go and smell them and put them on. Um, so there was a lot of synthetic fragrance.

10:06.25
Bianca
Yes.

10:07.30
latetothepartyasd
Um, like bla.

10:12.59
Bianca
Yes.

10:20.50
Rini
Um, and particularly when I first started making my own fragrances all I could get was synthetic fragrance. But then it's kind of evolved into essential oils and more of the pure plant notes that I Really love So that's kind of how wilderness lab came about you know.

10:24.21
Bianca
Um.

10:34.78
Bianca
Yes, Okay, yeah I think um I Just like when you see people coming up. Do you find like if I see see someone coming towards me I'll either think I'm not going to breathe when they go past them or I think or I'll be like I just want to have a quick little smell. Um, and I go.

10:45.66
Rini
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, yeah, yeah, so.

10:48.70
latetothepartyasd
Are a.

10:52.95
Bianca
If I think that they're going to smell like I want to what I want to receive if that makes sense I think I see I didn't realize that this was a thing I know.

10:56.52
latetothepartyasd
They go.

11:00.68
Rini
It's ah it's a thing. Yeah so I mean I I don't I mean because I've I mean diagnosed you know recently and I'm 50 You know so I've spent 50 years um with this kind of thing and and you do kind of feel like you're a bit strange and and you don't sort of talk about it much. Um and I don't know any other.

11:11.35
latetothepartyasd
Yeah, um.

11:16.30
Bianca
Um, yes.

11:20.34
Rini
Autistic people. Besides my sister really? um so so I have been since my um, assessment and diagnosis I have been kind of immersing myself in um, online you know, podcasts and people's blogs and just groups of people. Um adults that.

11:20.46
latetothepartyasd
Okay.

11:23.58
Bianca
Um, well.

11:32.18
Bianca
Um, yes.

11:35.80
latetothepartyasd
Yeah, another.

11:39.19
Rini
Um, have autism and it's been fascinating just to hear people's experiences about um you know smell for for example? Yeah, yeah.

11:40.93
Bianca
Um.

11:45.11
latetothepartyasd
I know all the stuff you talk about we we start to think about that as well Luke was literally talking to someone to work yesterday about coffee about since I stopped drinking milk and I just have like the long blacks I can have a coffee placed in front of me and know immediately.

11:46.40
Bianca
Yes.

12:03.83
latetothepartyasd
Whether I'm going to like the coffee or not because my tongue will get a bit and bit of taste and I haven't got anywhere near it yet. You know.

12:07.10
Rini
Um, yeah, um, it's very strong. It's a very strong um and also with memory. Um I don't know if you've ever experienced smelling something and then remembering when you smelled it.

12:09.24
Bianca
Um, ah, not.

12:23.29
Bianca
Um, that's it.

12:24.44
Rini
Or associating it with a memory and it can be a good memory or or a traumatic memory but you still can recall that a lot easier when you when you smell something associated with it. So yeah, it's fascinating to me.

12:35.92
latetothepartyasd
Um, absolutely odd is out.

12:37.55
Bianca
Um, ah it is yes I mean find that even like with erases like when you smell an eraser I don't know why but that really has a lot of smells from childhood in that in those erases.

12:44.34
Rini
Um, oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah, oh when I was a kid I had all that you remember I'm probably old but you remember they used to have those scratch and sniff stickers where you would rub your fingernail on it and you could smell fruit or chocolate or whatever.

12:46.77
latetothepartyasd
And Thatcos probably and.

12:53.27
Bianca
Um, no yes, Yes, yes yes, um well I still have I've got like about.

13:02.34
Rini
And I used to collect those I had a huge collection of these scratch and sniff stickers and yes centerd erases. Yeah, and and centered texters. They used to have scented texters and anything that had ah a scent I wanted you know I collected.

13:10.72
Bianca
50 or sixty centered erases in a box. Yes, they're great.

13:20.52
Rini
And and even now um I've got a really huge collection of perfume. Um, not just obviously the ones I make but um, just perfume vintage perfumes Solid perfumes. Um, and I've just got a lot I mean my psychologist asked me how many do you have.

13:27.46
Bianca
Um, yes, 1 right.

13:39.73
Rini
And I kind of felt like oh God should I tell her the real answer. But um, it's a lot. So yeah.

13:40.35
Bianca
Um, yeah, that's very interesting. Ex my daughter um was for probably about 6 years obsessed with slimes and parties and things that she would make her own like she has probably made. Thousands of them but the different essential oils or just the different things that she puts in just little drops and but even and also the textures the different textures that she can put into them as well and she was selling them and um, but yet complete so you actually remind me a lot of her and because she's always been from like even 1 she would just get.

13:54.70
latetothepartyasd
And then.

13:56.98
Rini
Um, yeah.

14:04.53
Rini
Um, yeah.

14:11.43
Rini
Yeah I used to love the you know, remember the avon catalogues. They don't have Avon in Australia anymore. But yeah, they have it had a perfume usually at the front where you could smell the perfume and I would just collect them like hoard these avon catalogs just so I could.

14:11.60
Bianca
Creams and just put them all over herself and smell them and yeah sis. Yes, yeah, yes.

14:15.55
latetothepartyasd
I Remember those? yeah.

14:27.63
Bianca
Um, yeah, Wow. Yes, oh well. So we've kind of gone off on a um, okay a slide thing I know that's like you so good for me now. Oh yes.

14:30.19
latetothepartyasd
Here. Go.

14:30.88
Rini
So smith you know, sniffed them when I needed to So yeah, sorry ah sure.

14:35.65
latetothepartyasd
No, that's perfect I Want to wind this back in time though I want to I Want to go back back back back back and look at sort of begin with with your childhood and I think ah like many of us who share a sort of similar story about your childhood in school.

14:53.99
Rini
Um, yeah.

14:55.27
latetothepartyasd
Ah, not keeping up or understanding the social intacies like attempting to fit in being sort of easy manipulated is that that is a sort of experience you had at school.

15:06.22
Rini
Yeah, yeah, so I'm the youngest of three girls and we're all very close in age so I was lucky I kind of went through school with them in the next year up and the next year up um and also cousins you know got got a big family. But um, yeah I I found.

15:09.22
Bianca
Um.

15:11.00
latetothepartyasd
And.

15:22.67
Rini
School was interesting and and you know since I've kind of shall I call it come out. Um, since I've come out um, professionally publicly. Um I've had a lot of old school friends write to me and they've been really interesting and really beautiful messages from them.

15:26.63
Bianca
Move.

15:33.14
latetothepartyasd
There.

15:41.77
Rini
Um, just saying how they kind of it made them sort of think about their own school experience and and um, how they thought about me and and a lot of them had no idea because I was so good at school I was so academically good at school. Um I just kind of I guess flew under the radar a bit.

15:55.89
Bianca
Um, and.

16:01.54
Rini
With um, needing any assistance or or people realizing that things were going on. Ah so I had yeah friends kind of contact me and say oh you know you always seem so so capable and so normal and and all this kind of thing but but that's not really the point as you know I mean you you can.

16:14.20
Bianca
Ah.

16:14.63
latetothepartyasd
Um, 50

16:17.93
Bianca
Yes.

16:21.26
Rini
Ah, appear um, completely normal and capable. But yeah, it was an interesting experience because I I was good at the academic side of school but I just did not understand what was going on. Um amongst my peers. Um I got on well with teachers you know I could I could speak with teachers. But.

16:29.12
latetothepartyasd
Um, yeah.

16:31.90
Bianca
Dry. Yeah.

16:35.29
latetothepartyasd
Yeah, yeah.

16:41.50
Rini
People my own age I Just yeah, it was was not good. Um, no um.

16:42.50
Bianca
Yeah I find that interesting because like obviously you didn't know then but and you and like when what I've read ah you do sort of tick a lot of the all the boxes of an autistic child but it makes me think like the children today like who are aware of their autism and even other people around them. Oh you know.

16:56.12
Rini
Are.

17:01.90
Bianca
They're doing this because of their autism or their stimming or whatever it might be I I think that's really fascinating and I'm interested to see how that goes. Um, yes, they get older like how how that differs? Um, yeah I Just think it's an interesting thing to to note and because it gives them so much more understanding like our children.

17:12.86
Rini
Um, yeah.

17:15.90
latetothepartyasd
Shot in.

17:19.83
Bianca
Who have autism know so much more about themselves than many adults who are even 40 Yes.

17:19.90
latetothepartyasd
And yeah.

17:24.12
Rini
Um, and that's a wonderful thing. You know I think that's ah, just a wonderful thing and and I have kind of muse with my sister actually about you know what would have happened if back in the 80 s and the 70 s um they had.

17:39.10
latetothepartyasd
There.

17:39.20
Rini
Considered that autism may be a female thing. You know it wasn it wasn't just a boy thing and I just wonder how things would have been different. You know we both think about that because knowing now at age 50 There is a sense of self-acceptance and um, you know I know why I am the way I am.

17:40.75
Bianca
Yes, yeah. Please.

17:58.72
Rini
And I'm I'm quite yeah, it's kind of a revelation I'm I'm kind of a lot more confident a lot happier with with the way the things that I do the way I behave. Um, but I think as a teenager of course you're going through your teenage stuff too and and also to have the added pressure of.

18:09.89
Bianca
Um.

18:12.80
Bianca
And.

18:17.19
Rini
Why aren't I like anyone else why? Why am I like I am and and.

18:20.14
latetothepartyasd
But you still do say that it was a mostly positive experience. It is something probably a lot of us ah differ from our experiences. We're not necessarily so positive. Do you attribute it now to having a sister who is also autistic.

18:29.47
Rini
Um, yeah, yeah I think so I mean there was a lot of I mean my social group back then was really my sisters and their friends and my cousins I didn't really have friends of my own. Um I mean I did but but no one that I really sort of.

18:41.23
Bianca
Um.

18:46.94
Rini
Connected with and um, yeah I do think having that support. Um, even though I was not aware that I needed support. But yeah, having having that there was definitely helpful. You know I think things could have been worse.

18:57.14
latetothepartyasd
You know? absolutely.

19:02.41
Bianca
Okay, yeah, and that's true. So um, in in your blog that you wrote ah about your autism that you're often called weird I think Dan you're also called weird like I I think was more called quirky. But um so how would you define weird.

19:08.14
Rini
Yeah.

19:14.75
Rini
Um, yeah, um, well I guess just I mean how do you find normal? Um I guess it's I just displayed behaviors as a child.

19:19.70
latetothepartyasd
Um.

19:21.88
Bianca
This.

19:28.62
Rini
That my parents just didn't know what to do with you know my my sisters weren't doing what I do even though 1 of my sisters is autistic. We are very different. We're both autistic but we're you know we're very different. Um, so yeah, some of the things I would do I think people just.

19:34.17
latetothepartyasd
No.

19:37.48
Bianca
Um, and.

19:47.50
latetothepartyasd
Um, quite right.

19:47.55
Rini
As I said they just didn't know what to do with it when I look back I wouldn't have known what to do with it I mean it was some of the things were were strange. But yeah, um.

19:49.81
Bianca
Um, yeah.

19:54.83
latetothepartyasd
Well one of the things they did do is put you on a gifted program which is incredibly timely as regards to our private page on on Facebook we've just been having a conversation with someone about giftedness and the the sort of the positives and negatives that that do come with that i. Tend to have a bit of a problem sometimes with um with that based on things that I've read about gifted programs and how in in some ways. It can be a really negative experience for for these kids because when they're introduced to things that they are not necessarily so good at. They give up a lot quicker than they would um have they not been defined as as gifted. Um, do you when you look back at some of the things you did within those programs was there any any sense of of socialization lessons or anything like that included.

20:49.22
Rini
No, not at all and and I mean you've got to remember this was early eighty s you know this was not when no one was in wind. Um, so yeah, we they just kind of from what I remember um they just kind of stuck us in a classroom and we did you know advanced math.

20:52.19
latetothepartyasd
Are.

20:56.91
Bianca
Is.

21:09.20
Rini
Problems. Um, and we played dungeons and dragons I do remember that um and we just kind of I don't remember having any friends in the gifted program. It was just kind of somewhere you went and and I also remember and I wish I could remember it better but they would.

21:09.93
latetothepartyasd
Here.

21:13.68
Bianca
Um.

21:18.49
latetothepartyasd
Um, a.

21:21.61
Bianca
Um, yes.

21:29.17
Rini
There would be a person that would do like ah I guess assessments on us tests on us show us pictures of things and ask us to draw things and and and that kind of thing but I don't remember the context. Ah well you know I think I.

21:33.40
latetothepartyasd
Um, yeah, yeah.

21:39.58
latetothepartyasd
Did that happen twice or just once that you got the test.

21:49.90
Rini
I think twice because I think it happened when I was very young like in in Junior primary. Um, and then I remember it happening in this gifted program in primary school. Ah so yeah, there was always and I don't know whether this person was a psychologist or or just a specialist teacher.

21:50.36
latetothepartyasd
There.

21:58.24
latetothepartyasd
Um, okay.

22:06.10
Rini
Um, but yeah, they would get us in a room and and one on one and ask us things and show us things and that's kind of all I remember about it. Um, but yeah, there's there was a segregation aspect to it as well. So you know yeah.

22:11.40
Bianca
So.

22:14.90
latetothepartyasd
It's interesting. Yes, which is not great I mean it's wonderful for neurotypicals. But I think for autistic people that's it's the worst situation to have been placed in because you're not the whole part of they they talk about these programs can help you become a successful adult.

22:24.35
Bianca
Are.

22:25.38
Rini
Right? yeah.

22:31.47
Rini
Who.

22:32.53
latetothepartyasd
But not necessarily successful autistic adult because they've taken away all the social side or and they're or they're not included that as part of the program. Yeah yeah, and so you get into a workplace and sure you're super smart and you you understand all these things but.

22:36.21
Rini
Yes.

22:36.92
Bianca
Are.

22:40.81
Rini
Um, right? and you're not having those common experiences with your peers. Yeah, so.

22:52.14
latetothepartyasd
If you can't interact. It's not going to work out. You know then.

22:53.82
Rini
Um, yeah, yeah, that's right? yeah.

22:58.32
Bianca
Um, and so um I found it interesting that you majored in psychology at University I read that. So.

23:01.67
Rini
Yes.

23:01.74
latetothepartyasd
Are.

23:05.45
Bianca
Makes me wonder whether you were searching for answers without really realizing or maybe you wanted to understand people or behavior better. You know.

23:08.86
Rini
Yeah, yeah, possibly possibly both? Yeah, it is interesting I am interested in and and still am interested in Psychology Um, and science in particular. Um, but yeah I think I was. When I was doing that I was kind of exploring it. You know, looking at looking at all the different aspects and and trying to relate it. But as I said I didn't I didn't really relate autism to myself until much later because um, I'm not really sure why maybe it was presented.

23:27.17
Bianca
Man.

23:39.52
Bianca
Yes.

23:44.80
Rini
In those years as something I couldn't relate to um, that's that's probably why? but um, yeah, it wasn't really considered until I saw myself in other autistic people. Um, because of the the variety of autistic people that was presented. You know.

23:45.16
latetothepartyasd
Of course.

23:46.70
Bianca
E.

23:54.60
latetothepartyasd
Um, yeah.

24:03.48
latetothepartyasd
It's funny isn't it exactly and like a lot of other women. Um you were sort of later diagnosed as general anxiety disorder which often happens to people particularly women who instead of getting their Asd diagnosis. It's that's ah, it's just general anxiety.

24:04.58
Rini
I Thought I thought there was one way to be. Yeah.

24:07.26
Bianca
Um.

24:12.16
Rini
Yes.

24:16.59
Bianca
Um, that's me.

24:19.97
Rini
Um, yeah.

24:21.70
latetothepartyasd
Um, ah to your credit though you you sort of kept pushing for answers and you went to ah a psychologist as well to help you get a diagnosis. Ah so how does it feel about it getting the label itself.

24:35.95
Rini
Yeah I mean as I said I I think it's good and and I think um I'm not on um well I could say I'm on a mission I'm not really on a mission. But um I want to sort of be open about it and sort of advocate for it that um, it's okay to be autistic and um.

24:41.10
latetothepartyasd
Here.

24:53.80
Rini
And mostly um, the response is positive I mean I have had some people that have said to me Oh you're not autistic. You know you can't be autistic. Um, you look you look completely normal or are you sure you're autistic and all that sort of thing. Um and and even from um.

25:03.23
latetothepartyasd
Um, in hope.

25:06.99
Bianca
Here.

25:12.41
Rini
Family members I've had a family member say oh, you're not autistic. You're just making it up for attention. Um, you know, but other than that that's ah, that's a small minority and I think mainly it's been really positive and people have kind of um, caused them to be a bit introspective as well. Which is a great thing because I think of that had happened when I was.

25:12.98
latetothepartyasd
Here.

25:28.91
Bianca
When.

25:32.26
Rini
Say even in my forty s thirty s um then maybe I I would have been at this place sooner. Um, but it's okay, you know I'm I'm 50 Maybe I've got another 30 or forty years to to do that I don't know but um.

25:43.70
latetothepartyasd
See it same to me. It's well that's what I love there was there was ah something in your blog post that you had that I just love and I and.

25:48.11
Rini
It's ah it's a good thing. It's just a positive thing for me.

25:57.23
latetothepartyasd
Think we should all memorize this when we're confronted by people saying you don't look autistic or whatever it is and so what you said was after years of struggle and an extensive assessment process. You could be sure I'm sure I Love that.

26:02.55
Bianca
And.

26:14.63
Bianca
Um, yeah, yeah.

26:14.87
Rini
Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh thanks Yeah, no, it's um and it's not just me that sure you know there's someone with a Ph D in in adult autistic women. Um, who is definitely sure. Um, so that's great and I guess yeah there is that validation.

26:21.34
latetothepartyasd
Um, is yeah.

26:27.21
Bianca
And.

26:31.43
latetothepartyasd
I don't.

26:31.64
Rini
I mean I wasn't I didn't just catch Autism I've always been autistic. You know and so I think people have kind of like oh you're just jumping on an autism bandwagon or or something. Um, but no, no I've I've I've been dealing with this my whole life. So so yeah, um.

26:34.10
Bianca
Um, yes, yeah.

26:44.97
latetothepartyasd
Um.

26:46.27
Bianca
Yeah, um, also like ah I feel like I'm relating to you in a few different ways. But um, when you said that you were watching. You can't ask that the abc show it was a turning point for you in realizing that you actually had autism. So firstly that is like 1 of my favorite shows because it asks all the questions.

26:55.52
latetothepartyasd
And.

26:57.74
Rini
Yeah.

27:04.50
Bianca
But I want to know the answers to I don't like when like Journalists they just tease and they they don't ask direct questions So I just love it because it's That's my normal and they are all the questions I would ask and I do ask those questions in a very not innocent way. But I'm not being mean I'm not trying to.

27:07.78
latetothepartyasd
Um, yeah is what is the boring.

27:08.87
Rini
I Love it. Yeah.

27:22.21
Bianca
Be awful to people but I want to know those answers and to learn and understand them better. Um, so do you feel that way about the program as well.

27:26.87
Rini
Yeah, yeah, it's great. It's great because um I love to sort of listen to the experiences of of minority groups and and people that you maybe maybe don't normally come into contact with you know or if you do you're kind of scared that your natural instinct to just.

27:39.47
Bianca
Yes.

27:45.50
Rini
Ask that question is is going to be socially unacceptable because after years and years and years of of people saying to me I have no tact and can't say that and and I'm sure people have said you can't ask that to me. Um, then there's a show that is basically me.

27:46.20
latetothepartyasd
M.

27:51.38
latetothepartyasd
Are.

27:53.93
Bianca
Um, yes, true for you know? Yes, but those people they want to know the answers. They just won't ask the questions. Yeah yeah, yes.

28:02.13
latetothepartyasd
Um, yeah, yeah.

28:05.65
Rini
Right? right? and so how helpful I think it's just a great safe way of um, you know, finding out this information without offending someone or doing the wrong thing and so it's so and I love that show I mean not just that episode about autistic people. But.

28:14.78
Bianca
Yes.

28:21.10
latetothepartyasd
Um, yeah.

28:23.60
Bianca
Um, no yeah, exactly get it? Yeah yeah, yeah.

28:24.57
Rini
Um, there's a lot you know transgender people and you know all sorts of things which I've found helpful. But.

28:27.54
latetothepartyasd
Ah, it's so much better. It's not so boring all the interviews you have to listen to on television for people promoting whatever I don't care and they always answering the same questions that keep getting asked I want to know stuff much more interesting. You know when did you have your first wet dream tell me about that.

28:33.30
Rini
Yeah, yeah.

28:43.60
Rini
Um, yeah.

28:44.00
Bianca
Yes, ah.

28:45.55
latetothepartyasd
Something something different, please anything different to what we usually get.

28:49.78
Bianca
Thanks.

28:51.34
Rini
And I gravitate towards people I mean I'm not um, you know? Um, um I find people difficult but but I do kind of gravitate more towards people who are honest and don't have that filter of you know, not saying what they mean just say what you mean and.

28:58.57
Bianca
Yes.

28:58.83
latetothepartyasd
Um, yeah.

29:03.93
Bianca
Yes, yeah.

29:06.51
Rini
And that's really I find that really attractive. You know.

29:08.80
latetothepartyasd
Well part of getting that diagnosis I was 47 ah is often that feeling of if only you know, um so I get to don't get to I do mourn the person that I could have been had I had that earlier diagnosis.

29:17.75
Rini
Yeah, so.

29:26.65
latetothepartyasd
Ah, so that you going through that process as well.

29:28.24
Rini
Yeah I mean you do look back and there are some incidences in my life that I feel could have gone better. You know had had I known um and certainly some aspects of my life where bad things happen. You know, um, traumatic things happen.

29:35.83
latetothepartyasd
A.

29:44.46
Bianca
Yeah, yes.

29:46.41
Rini
That maybe they wouldn't have happened if I had been aware that I was putting myself in a position of danger based on my autism. So um, you know there are things like that. But but yeah, generally, um, it's It's been Okay, you know I think there's good and bad like I think maybe if I had known.

29:51.79
latetothepartyasd
Um, yeah.

30:06.20
Rini
I would have been compartmentalised you know sort of labeled as this particular person and then I probably would have worn that label on myself. You know I would have maybe not um, tried anything or or expanded myself because I thought I was just in this box So there is that.

30:07.97
Bianca
In.

30:11.80
latetothepartyasd
Um, you.

30:20.98
latetothepartyasd
Here.

30:25.83
Rini
And and I'll never know of course whether that's that that would happen but it is something to think about. Um.

30:29.99
Bianca
Yeah, yeah, okay so and what about um I was wondering about how you're going with your unmasking because as if you said um, you've had like 50 years of masking and are you struggling with knowing who you are like Dan and I are both. We just.

30:32.90
latetothepartyasd
Um, can it.

30:39.69
Rini
I Just struck.

30:47.47
Bianca
We don't even know who we are.

30:49.22
Rini
Yeah, yeah, look and that is you know five decades of of trying to trying to be normal, but um I don't know I'm kind of I'm still figuring out what masking means because I've had conversations with my husband I've been married for 30 years and um, so.

30:51.70
Bianca
Yes.

30:52.10
latetothepartyasd
Um, and.

31:03.87
Bianca
Man.

31:07.20
Rini
My husband is kind of like my because he's the opposite He he's just a social Genius You know like he he can talk to anyone. He can be around anyone. He feeds off of the energy of being around people. He is just the opposite of me, you know.

31:21.17
latetothepartyasd
Um, but.

31:23.43
Rini
So I've kind of used him as almost like my masking raw model I'll kind of mimic. Um, you know the script is kind of based on what what would he say and and everything. So so yeah I feel like masking.

31:25.34
latetothepartyasd
Um, yes.

31:40.73
Rini
I am thinking about what that means because someone said to me and I don't remember who oh that means you being fake. You've been fake for 50 years and it's not that it's I'm being me but I'm being a more socially acceptable version of me and and it's kind of like running.

31:48.47
Bianca
Um.

31:53.26
latetothepartyasd
Are.

31:53.28
Bianca
Yes.

31:58.34
Rini
Software in the background of a computer you know So you're kind of talking to somebody and there's this program running which goes am I looking them in the eye am I is my face normal. Um, you know don't say this and and you know am I appearing normal and it's exhausting. You know it's absolutely exhausting.

32:05.94
Bianca
And.

32:06.79
latetothepartyasd
Um, and yes.

32:14.59
latetothepartyasd
Um, yep.

32:17.12
Rini
Which is why I think initially um, a lot of my issues were diagnosed as anxiety because you just get so exhausted and you can't you just can't deal for the next however, long and you don't know why and you just think well you know there's a problem and.

32:25.60
latetothepartyasd
Yes, and you don't know why you don't know why them? yeah.

32:29.74
Bianca
Um, yeah.

32:35.24
Rini
And they just go to anxiety and it does have that anxiety component. But um, yeah, so I do think about that a lot and I have thought about that a lot since my diagnosis whether um, it's something that I want to stop can I Even stop it. You know like there's ah, there's a lot of.

32:37.91
latetothepartyasd
Um, course.

32:49.48
Bianca
Are.

32:52.82
latetothepartyasd
Um, run.

32:54.44
Rini
And there are people that I like 1 of my actually my only friend ever I've got 1 friend in my life that we've been friends since I was or since we were about 20 um and she I don't mask with her and and it was a really interesting revelation.

33:05.10
Bianca
Are.

33:05.24
latetothepartyasd
Um, right, Interesting Wow I'm going through them myself trying to figure out whether I.

33:13.11
Rini
That I that she's the one person I don't mask with um yeah.

33:19.91
latetothepartyasd
Ah, yeah, and um I've talked to my best friend as well about this and still I'm still not totally sure because I don't know what I am unmasked that's kind of the problem. But I also see Mask is being a really good skill set to have and I try to attribute it that way. But also I'm trying to.

33:25.16
Rini
I.

33:33.18
Rini
Um, yeah.

33:37.90
latetothepartyasd
The way I I conceptualize it is by saying home base I'm trying to get to my home base which is where I can relax. It's where I the everything the uniform that everything come. It's removed and I can just be me so I just need to know I'm trying to find that home base I've lost my compass.

33:43.51
Rini
Um, right, interesting.

33:44.24
Bianca
Wow.

33:49.68
Rini
Yeah, yeah, interesting. Yeah well what.

33:55.87
latetothepartyasd
Yeah.

33:56.94
Bianca
But then also sorry you can have like a friend like I've got a few friends who I mask with um, they're good friends but I still mask with them I don't think that our friendship would be the same if I didn't mask like it wouldn't be I'm just playing up to that. But.

34:01.10
latetothepartyasd
Um, yeah.

34:06.49
latetothepartyasd
A.

34:09.81
Rini
Um, yeah, right.

34:12.36
Bianca
It's not an all the time friendship. It's like I'm ready for that now I'm charged for that like.

34:14.12
latetothepartyasd
Yes.

34:16.31
Rini
Um, yeah, well well my friend thinks and she told me this because um, she was in Adelaide who went to adelaide last week and actually saw her face to face and she she thinks that for the first say five minutes when we first meet we haven't seen each other for a while that I mask.

34:30.92
latetothepartyasd
And.

34:32.17
Bianca
And on.

34:34.58
Rini
And then she says that after that the mask is gone and that was interesting to me because there must be some automatic masking that goes on because it's been so long that I've done it um that I can't kind of just go in to a conversation.

34:40.97
Bianca
Yes.

34:43.34
latetothepartyasd
Yes, yeah.

34:50.85
Rini
And say to myself beforehand. Okay I'm not going to mask I don't think it's something I can control if that makes sense. Yeah.

34:51.69
Bianca
Um.

34:55.17
Bianca
Are.

34:57.58
latetothepartyasd
I Think it's situational um as well. So and especially when you're asking most of the time when you get into a position where you're with ah your best friend it will. It will take a while for your brain to recognize that you're in a new situation. It's a safe place.

35:04.58
Rini
Break Take your. Yeah.

35:11.98
latetothepartyasd
And that's when it will start to unfold. But I don't think it's like switch. It's it's ah it's a progressive thing. It's it's it's slowly you start to calm down and relax and it's very much the case but what and what? what I love about lot of the things that you talk about and you view blog about is.

35:14.44
Rini
Sure 6

35:20.14
Rini
So yeah.

35:30.41
latetothepartyasd
Is quite is quite a positive which is it's ah it's not always something that we we can do easily you know and I love a quote. Another quote you had which was recognizing my Asd has allowed me to be the architect of my life and.

35:47.27
Rini
Yeah, so.

35:48.60
latetothepartyasd
Ah, think in some ways we so we're the embodiment of Grand designs like where we're renovating some old factory or castles which is our old mask crumbling. Whatever it is so with you. How's your renovation going are you are you over budget.

35:57.00
Rini
Um, yeah, so yeah, so um, yeah, so I think um when I say that I guess um I've always been um I've had 1 job in my life.

35:58.87
Bianca
Um.

36:16.25
Rini
And and that was when I was first married I was I was 21 and I thought well I should go out and get a job. Ah so I I went and I got a job and um, it ended very badly. Um and that and I think ah looking back now was 100% because I'm autistic and I didn't Know. Um, but um, then I thought to myself. Well, That's no good I Really need to control my environment I need to control who I see I need to control how I work and and so from that point onwards I've had my own businesses.

36:34.67
Bianca
Um.

36:41.90
latetothepartyasd
A.

36:50.17
Bianca
And now.

36:51.40
Rini
And so and they've been various things um over the years in various industries. Um with the help of my husband who who was a photographer so some of it you know was kind of along those lines but um in my last business which was a successful business that I sold. Um.

36:54.12
latetothepartyasd
Are.

37:10.67
Rini
It was more people Faced. So So there was more person-to-person. Um aspects of that business and I thought to myself. Um, when Covid hit actually I thought to myself. Well you know, just like everyone else there working from home. But. I Can really just kind of tie everything in to to the way that I am and make it comfortable for myself. You know make it make it okay to to um you know I can adjust my lighting I can um I can wear whatever clothes I want I don't have to talk to people.

37:43.22
Bianca
Yeah.

37:45.29
Rini
Um, you know a lot of those things and that's kind of what I mean by designing being an architect of of the way that you're working the way that you're living and because I'm on a property I'm in the middle of nowhere. You know I never see a person I can go weeks without seeing a person. Um, it's.

37:59.92
latetothepartyasd
Um, yeah.

38:01.52
Bianca
Um.

38:02.63
Rini
And that's kind of the way I thought well just embrace that you know just kind of um make that work and that's what I've done for the last you know 3 years is is just made that work.

38:02.86
latetothepartyasd
Here.

38:09.77
Bianca
Okay, Wow. So and then obviously you've chosen that as your business so can tell us a bit more about your fascination with perfume and how you think your autism relates to it.

38:15.39
latetothepartyasd
Um.

38:22.62
Rini
Yeah, so I think I mean the way I've kind of um I call it the evolution of fragrance because I think fragrance means different things to different people and and for me, it's about obviously the natural aspect of fragrance. Um.

38:30.39
Bianca
Um.

38:40.54
Rini
I Can I can tolerate synthetic fragrance but in much lower lower quantities whereas with natural fragrance. It is naturally a lower kind of sillage. Um, that means the amount of fragrance that flies around in the air around you.

38:55.66
latetothepartyasd
Yes.

38:58.26
Bianca
Um.

38:58.75
Rini
Ah, and I like that because I find it really kind of overwhelming if someone walks in you can smell their perfume First you know and you've probably experienced that or if you walk through a department store and all you smell as yeah and I don't like that So when I sort of started. Um, you know making and designing these these scents.

39:06.30
Bianca
Yeah, yes.

39:10.31
latetothepartyasd
Here.

39:18.70
Rini
I base them on places around me you know places in Tasmania um I really love to be outside in the Bush and and there are certain smells that come with that and so I've kind of recreated. For example, there's a ah scent called cradle mountain.

39:35.20
latetothepartyasd
2

39:36.19
Bianca
And.

39:37.50
Rini
I named Cradle Mountain because I recreated Cradle Mountain Um, and and it's a very um you know, kind of like the snow on the ground and the and the the wood smell and the kind of damp smell that you can get when you have you been to Cradle Mountain have you.

39:56.35
Bianca
My husband has we are actually planning on going soon.

39:57.33
Rini
Either of you been or okay, yeah, so it's a particular for me. It's a particular um scent. So I kind of recreated that in this cradle mountain perfume and it's been really gratifying. You know people love that that one you know.

40:02.40
latetothepartyasd
Are.

40:06.45
Bianca
Yeah.

40:13.29
Bianca
Um, yes, but.

40:14.73
Rini
And I kind of thought initially because the fragrances are a bit unusual. They're not something you would just get in the shop and and you'd associateciate with just perfume. They're kind of a bit different I suppose and although there are some that are flowery and and pretty but there are also a lot that are very um. You know, natural kind of have different aspects to them that maybe people wouldn't associate with with perfume.

40:38.97
Bianca
So then what's the actual I'm just wondering now because perfume is it for me or is it for other people because you say there's people that walk in the room into the room and they have that strong scent. They actually want other people to smell them. But then the way your 1 seems like it's like it's for yourself or for.

40:47.63
Rini
Um, yeah, so it's it's both I think um yeah, it is and well it's very yeah, exactly. So for me, it's about me wanting to smell good.

40:55.89
latetothepartyasd
Um, no.

40:58.69
Bianca
You're into my partner family.

41:04.63
Rini
Um, and also um, the the fragrance does kind of exist around your skin around your body So people that are close to you will smell it. Um, you know if you're a mother and you've got children. Your children will smell it. Um, but I guess I I don't sort of like the idea of of.

41:08.60
latetothepartyasd
Are.

41:18.52
Bianca
Um.

41:22.62
Rini
Fragrance being obnoxious and just forcing you to to smell it and and that's really yeah, it's resonated with a lot of my customers. Um, a lot of my customers have written and you can see on the reviews that yeah people really like that aspect of it. You know that it it's a.

41:24.40
latetothepartyasd
Um, yeah.

41:25.60
Bianca
Um, yes.

41:33.82
Bianca
Um.

41:34.60
latetothepartyasd
How do you apply it though I'm trying to I can't get me head around. It's like it's not like a yeah yeah.

41:38.66
Bianca
I.

41:42.36
Rini
No, it's ah in a tin comes in a tin an aluminium tin and it's ah like a wax um a plant-based wax and I infuse the fragrance into that and you just basically rub it on like a balm so you can put it anywhere like on your skin on your hair. Um, some.

41:56.90
latetothepartyasd
Um, Wheelie. Wow.

42:00.29
Bianca
Um, my hand.

42:00.62
Rini
Some people put it on their face. Um, you can you can put it anywhere on your body where you want the fragrance to be and yeah, it's it's um, very versatile and so the other thing as well I was having issues with with um.

42:10.29
Bianca
Or it.

42:10.69
latetothepartyasd
Oh my God ah.

42:17.89
latetothepartyasd
Um, yeah, yep, yeah.

42:18.30
Rini
Normal synthetic fragrances I was getting rashes sometimes like I'd spray a perfume on and break out in a rash you know which was disappointing because you know you don't want that to happen and I remember my husband brought me a very famous, very very famous perfume once when he went on an overseas trip.

42:22.30
Bianca
Um, and.

42:27.38
Bianca
Um, never.

42:36.24
Rini
Brought me back this wonderful perfume and I was so thrilled I ah sprayed it on within half an hour I had a big red rash on my neck. So yeah and a lot of people have that a lot worse than me, um, with allergies. So this is a great way for people with allergies to enjoy a fragrance too.

42:40.86
Bianca
And I.

42:41.58
latetothepartyasd
Is.

42:46.20
Bianca
From that.

42:52.80
Bianca
Um, who.

42:53.49
latetothepartyasd
Well Bianca's gonna hate this question because like I hey I was I was a hippie in in my in the past days and it wasn't until kids came along. They sort of got to be more sciencey. Ah, but before that I was into all manner of interesting things and.

42:54.90
Rini
I.

43:10.88
Rini
Crystals.

43:10.92
latetothepartyasd
That exactly all that stuff and so a bug bear for me nowadays relates a little bit to my but to where my mother through weak cancer and the sort of nonsense that she had pedaled to her is I'm not a big fan of alternative Health and those sorts of things.

43:11.00
Bianca
Um.

43:28.70
latetothepartyasd
But what I'm finding really interesting at the moment is that oh shush is so the stuff that you mentioned on the side doesn't appeal to me in in a lot of ways some of that stuff like organic ah does not appeal to me I I think it's ah it's a word. That's just it's like a marketing term. But.

43:31.50
Bianca
Um I am.

43:46.60
Rini
Yeah, which.

43:47.19
Bianca
It is.

43:48.90
latetothepartyasd
Organic sustainable all that used to be shrugged off is a bit of hippy nonsense you know or only appealing to hippies like Biano Um, but I think things are ah pretend Hippie exactly but the culture has changed and I think um, it's become a legitimate concern for a lot of people.

43:57.25
Bianca
Pretend pretend you're saying I'm a pretend Tv yeah.

44:06.71
Rini
Um, yeah.

44:07.49
latetothepartyasd
But like is that what you're finding. It's not just a specific kind of sandalwearing hippie.

44:15.56
Rini
Yeah, yeah, it's very mainstream I mean ah my customers are from all all walks of life. You know, um and men too by the way it's ah it's very popular with with customers who identify as male and so there are.

44:18.34
Bianca
Yeah.

44:26.31
latetothepartyasd
Are are.

44:30.80
Rini
You know people ah men are using it as like an aftershave bal um because it's very soothing and and there are ah you know most of the scents in fact are sort of cross gender. You know? So so yeah, it's's um and the whole you know there's a thing called there's a term you might have heard called Green washing.

44:42.25
Bianca
Um.

44:48.22
Bianca
So.

44:50.10
Rini
And greenwashing is a thing that brands do um, where they want to appear that they're being sustainable and healthy and and so they'll use terms um that that are not that are misleading. You know they're not necessarily I can't think of anything at the top of my head. But.

44:58.40
Bianca
Um.

44:59.40
latetothepartyasd
Um, okay, this.

45:06.80
Rini
Um, they're not really indicating the true nature of their product so you might get products that say they're natural but then they'll have ah an asterisk and you know they've got 5% natural something in it but they're saying natural. You know whereas um I think a lot of.

45:07.60
Bianca
Um.

45:08.67
latetothepartyasd
Are.

45:17.35
Bianca
Um I.

45:24.20
Rini
And a lot of consumers are kind of getting wise to that you know they don't They're not suckers. They don't kind of fool for the whole. Oh you've got a green plant on your product therefore it must be safe and natural. Um, so yeah I'm kind of I guess when I sort of started it I thought well I'm not going to be like that everything I say is going to be.

45:29.16
latetothepartyasd
Are a.

45:32.27
Bianca
Um.

45:42.64
Rini
True and backed up by evidence and so and so yeah I do say those words because I don't use any plastic in my packaging or or in my retail displays and that's a conscious choice because I I think there's too much plastic around um and and also.

45:44.25
latetothepartyasd
Um, that's great.

45:51.15
latetothepartyasd
Um, ah here.

45:58.95
Bianca
Um.

46:00.64
Rini
The ingredients are natural. There's nothing synthetic in there. There's no petochemicals. So and I state all of that No phthalates exactly exactly so I state all of that on there and it's all it's true. You know that is that is the case and.

46:04.85
Bianca
No phthalates. There's no phalates.

46:05.72
latetothepartyasd
For lights.

46:15.10
latetothepartyasd
Your rooster is spruiking as well. By the way it's ah, quite interesting came along just as we were talking about the green stuff and all of a sudden just outside the window. Yeah yeah, easy.

46:19.57
Rini
What's a oh is he I that's some that's scotty. He's he's actually a pet rooster. He's tiny. He's this big. Um and he's about eight years old now. So yeah, he's getting on. But yeah, he's.

46:20.70
Bianca
Um, the background. Yeah.

46:32.24
latetothepartyasd
Um, Wow Well, that's what you're saying. It's great. We love it. We love it anytime. We can hear dogs or any animals. It's fantastic.

46:35.23
Bianca
Um.

46:38.49
Rini
He's fantastic. Sorry I hope that wasn't too loud. It's it's white noise. Um.

46:40.39
Bianca
Um, a on know and wow.

46:47.46
Rini
But I don't even hear it anymore. But ah yeah, so and it kind of ties in with the whole brand Tasmania thing because it is a very clean environment. Um, the air here is amazing. You know, ah and the and also the oils that are produced in Tasmania are just.

46:48.22
latetothepartyasd
Yeah.

46:55.19
Bianca
Yes.

47:04.89
Bianca
Yes.

47:04.90
Rini
The best quality in the world as far as lavender and peppermint and olive oil and all those good things. Hemp hemp boil as well. So yeah, so there's some incredible you know I have access to some incredible ingredients. So yeah.

47:08.00
latetothepartyasd
Ah, hip. Yeah, ah, it's amazing. What I know I can't wait to try some of these things I've been was looking there but I was it yes and I was trying to look to see if there was any nearby me then I could go and and sample.

47:13.95
Bianca
Um, um.

47:22.36
Bianca
Um, I too.

47:26.60
Rini
Whereabouts what state are you in are there's tongues. There's a few in in Victoria I'm not sure about in the city. But yeah.

47:27.15
latetothepartyasd
Um, in Melbourne so when I was in the city yesterday and trying to find. Um, yeah ill have to I'll have to check that out. Um, sorry I'm getting ringing tones and I can't where's it coming from. Ah, it's coming from my bag I got too many phones now.

47:27.63
Bianca
Oh oh. Got a.

47:41.16
Bianca
Um, yes, um.

47:46.97
latetothepartyasd
I wanted to I wanted to ah want to ask you about something regarding what I'm interested in at the moment which is sort of I've stolen Apparently for my wife and yeah I have apparently and that's a love of terrariums and so I've I love.

47:56.80
Bianca
You have.

48:03.37
Rini
Um, oh.

48:05.74
latetothepartyasd
Making these amazing little bits of nature. You know these microclimate sort of things you know exactly and but for me, it's the focus and the the bit I Love the most is actually going out and trying to find small plants. Interesting rocks, Interesting wood, interesting mosses.

48:09.62
Rini
You know, natural sculptures. Yeah, but.

48:15.66
Bianca
Um, move.

48:23.18
Rini
Um, ah.

48:25.68
latetothepartyasd
And so for me, it's all about it's more about the finding because the actual putting together doesn't take long at all, you know.

48:33.47
Rini
Ah, you would love to come to my to my property. There's a River that runs through the property and and you can go down to the River and it's all River stones and there is nothing I like better than to walk along the bank and pick up.

48:36.24
latetothepartyasd
Yeah. And.

48:42.49
Bianca
Happened. Wow.

48:48.86
latetothepartyasd
A.

48:50.36
Rini
Stones and collect these stones because there's some beautiful, really fascinating colors and shapes and oh you would love it Dan you would. But.

48:55.16
latetothepartyasd
Well, it sounds like I would like perfumery I but I don't know how how would we start just to experiment a little. Yeah yeah.

49:04.53
Rini
With with perfumery Well well I mean I would I would start with the centure oils really? um and and that's very accessible to everyone and and um of varying qualities I mean you'd probably want to start with something not that expensive. Um.

49:08.40
Bianca
Yes, yes.

49:16.67
latetothepartyasd
A.

49:17.61
Bianca
Um.

49:20.22
Rini
And then just try mixing them and you know see what you like I mean everyone has a different nose. Um, and that's kind of part of the problem I guess of of creating ah perfumes is that it's a very personal thing and and some people will love a particular fragrance and some people will just turn them right off. So.

49:32.93
Bianca
Yeah.

49:40.14
Rini
You just kind of have to work out what works for you. Um, and see um.

49:41.21
Bianca
Right? since it. But do you have like because I really like Jasmine and then if let's just say I don't know I really like lavender but they don't necessarily go well mixing them together though would they.

49:53.32
Rini
Um, well I probably wouldn't if I was and actually I do have Jasmine perfume called Princess Jasmine um and yeah, you'd like that one? Um, but um I tend to kind of when I create something.

49:58.10
Bianca
Yes I saw that.

49:59.00
latetothepartyasd
Are.

50:07.36
Rini
Um, I probably don't do it by the book. But um I do kind of try and balance a fragrance. So if I've got Jasmine which is quite a strong floral. Um I do kind of balance that with say in the case of Princess Jasmine with a citrus.

50:17.99
Bianca
Ah, and.

50:24.36
Bianca
Yes, okay.

50:24.43
Rini
Um, and it just kind of lightens it and brings out that that floral note without being clawing So there is an art to it and you just kind of sometimes I think um, you know I'll write down a formulation and I'll think that's really going to work well because of the notes. But then I'll I'll try it out and it doesn't work. Well.

50:29.23
latetothepartyasd
Um, there must be.

50:43.48
Rini
So so there are there is some alchemy you know there is some part that needs experimentation and and tweaking So yeah.

50:46.77
Bianca
Um, move.

50:50.38
Bianca
Is.

50:50.52
latetothepartyasd
Well I there's there's a trigger we've got at the back for some reason even though it's my favorite I've forgotten the name of right now. But anyway I walk past it and the perfume is just the the the most extraordinary smell I adore it. But it's only a certain time of the year can I capture.

51:00.40
Bianca
Um.

51:07.19
Bianca
Um.

51:09.25
Rini
Yeah, so so what I did ah last year sorry a year before I can't remember um, there's a tasmanian leatherwood tree that grows on our property and every year actually is coming up end of November it'll flower and the.

51:09.50
latetothepartyasd
The smell.

51:10.24
Bianca
Oh no.

51:28.54
Rini
Smell is like nothing you've ever smelled in your life. It's amazing anyway, what I did 1 year was I harvested the the petals and I infused them um in oil and it the whole process took about three months and

51:32.26
Bianca
Um.

51:34.72
latetothepartyasd
And.

51:47.14
Rini
Eventually I ended up with a a infused oil of this leatherwood and it was very very close to what it smells like when it's fresh in the air and I made a Tasmanian leatherwood perfume and it was a limited addition because I only had so much of this and it's a seasonal thing.

51:57.55
Bianca
Um, move.

51:57.98
latetothepartyasd
Wow.

52:01.17
Bianca
Oh must.

52:05.69
Rini
And it sold out. Um, you know quite quickly. But um and oh there is a process so you'd have to get the you'd have to get the pedals you would have to make sure they were completely dry like completely dry.

52:08.49
latetothepartyasd
Um, what oil would I put it in what what do you would I dip it in.

52:15.67
latetothepartyasd
I.

52:20.38
Bianca
So not a.

52:23.49
Rini
And what you should do actually is harvest them in the morning when they've got a really strong smell and then harvest them make sure they're completely dry so you dry them out but don't dry them out too much so that they lose the oil and then you just basically put them all into a glass ah jar or container.

52:25.86
latetothepartyasd
Um, yeah, yeah.

52:25.98
Bianca
Math.

52:32.00
latetothepartyasd
Um, right.

52:33.24
Bianca
That.

52:37.60
latetothepartyasd
Um, yep.

52:41.53
Rini
Um, cover them with with oil and then you um, let them sit or you make sure that you seal the the jar don't make any air anything and then you would let that sit preferably somewhere warm in a sunny windowsill um or three months or or as long as.

52:46.66
latetothepartyasd
Um, yes.

52:48.30
Bianca
And.

52:53.20
latetothepartyasd
Um, yep, wow.

53:01.34
Rini
As long as you think um, it's going to take so in my case I teach I just used a hobe oil for this because it's the most odorous um oil. Yeah, you don't want anything that's got an like and like olive oil. For example, don't use that you want something that's very odorless.

53:02.38
latetothepartyasd
What sort of oil is it that you're using time. Okay, okay, yeah, yeah.

53:09.82
Bianca
Um, oh.

53:15.32
latetothepartyasd
No, exactly oh look oh Youtube it don't worry. That's what I do exactly? That's right yes, watching out.

53:20.28
Rini
Yeah, yeah, you can Google it. You know someone's someone's going to have ah a tutorial like yeah, go into production but it's a lot of work and you know I mean my my um price point is quite low so you know.

53:22.80
Bianca
Um, um, you might have some competition here in no yes, yes here.

53:39.21
Rini
It's It's a lot of work for a low price but you know you have to think about that.

53:40.40
latetothepartyasd
Yeah, now before we get on to the most important segment. Ah I wanted to there was something that was quite interesting when we got in contact and you had responded that you have been.

53:44.80
Bianca
Um, list you know.

53:56.24
Rini
Um, on yeah.

53:56.35
latetothepartyasd
Voraciously consuming the the episodes skipping around and going backwards then forwards again I can't get around my I can't what what are you doing.

54:02.92
Rini
Um, yeah, doesn't everyone do that. But.

54:07.41
Rini
I Remember when you said that I thought oh God I have to explain how I read books now. But but but yeah, that's exactly what I meant So what I do and I do this with books as well is I will go through it kind of like skim through it.

54:14.60
Bianca
Um, yeah.

54:14.43
latetothepartyasd
Ah.

54:25.81
Rini
And then I'll go back and I'll do it again and then you know like I don't sit down and read a book from cover to cover I Kind of read it all over the place and the same with podcasts. Yeah I know look ah yeah, a same with podcasts. So I'll kind of like read bits and then go back and sorry listen to bits go back list to other bits.

54:31.69
latetothepartyasd
Um, oh what.

54:44.64
Rini
And then eventually I'll get to the beginning and I'll listen and I don't know why I do this I do this all the time. So so when I said that to you I thought oh God he probably thinks so I'm.

54:47.84
latetothepartyasd
Are. You listen to podcasts like you do your perfumery. That's what you're doing. You're going around picking little audio grabs and because you may be synesthetic your your your olfactory nerves are coming into this so you're hearing.

54:55.30
Bianca
Um, one off.

55:01.96
Bianca
Um.

55:02.50
Rini
Ah, that's a good fit.

55:09.31
Rini
Um, um.

55:10.90
latetothepartyasd
Certain sentences that you're associating to a smell and then you're putting it all together at the end you're bottling it at the end by listening to the whole thing.

55:13.38
Rini
Um, maybe.

55:19.16
Rini
Ah I like that take.

55:21.53
Bianca
Now. Ah, which which gets us into the next part of the podcast. So I'm not sure whether you in your jumping around whether you heard the who knows.

55:22.91
latetothepartyasd
Um, I know you so well. What do you think? Bianca.

55:25.63
Rini
Um, you do I.

55:35.48
Bianca
Re better or who knows so and so better. Have you heard that bit yet.

55:38.68
Rini
I think I did I I um don't remember which episode that was right.

55:39.99
latetothepartyasd
A.

55:43.21
Bianca
Yeah, there's been a few whenever we yeah interview somebody. So it's just about. We just have a few questions. So um I'll pose a question and then Dan and I have to guess what is your what who knows you better by I will say oh like for example, first one is your favorite smell.

55:54.88
latetothepartyasd
Um.

55:58.15
Bianca
I'm going to guess what your favorite smell is Dan's going to guess your favorite smell and then you will tell us who you and you better out of that and there's maybe like 6 those sort of questions are that land did you want to start us off without your with Rennie's favorite smell.

56:03.98
Rini
Um, oh okay, okay.

56:05.37
latetothepartyasd
Are. Well this is gonna be hard I think because she might have a specific obviously of the tasmanian specific so I would like to generalize that a little bit by just saying narrow it down to like a sandal Woody smell. That's that's what I'm going to go with.

56:17.61
Bianca
Yes.

56:21.20
Rini
Um, we can narrow it down. We can yeah like a like a note. Yeah.

56:24.83
Bianca
Um.

56:29.91
Bianca
Okay, all right, You're do it. You're going down to a note right? Okay so I wasn't I was going a different way and I'm thinking favorite smell is um, just general. Ah, in general, it's like childhood smells like smells that remind her of childhood.

56:41.61
latetothepartyasd
Oh I can't know that that's that's that's legitimate.

56:42.54
Rini
Um, ah yeah, okay, well yeah I I would say and it's boring. But I really like Rose but it has.

56:47.23
Bianca
Yeah.

56:53.16
Bianca
Um, ah.

56:54.69
latetothepartyasd
Wow Older versions or the newer.

56:59.30
Rini
No, no, no, just's got to be pure preferably Damascus Rose it's got to be pure like the good stuff but it can't be so synthetic roses. It can't be synthetic rows I can't stand synthetic rows. It's got to be actual.

57:02.78
latetothepartyasd
Um, for art the good stuff give you the good stuff.

57:11.28
Bianca
Ah, her new. No yes.

57:16.99
latetothepartyasd
Um, so you you do you? wonder that? do you wonder the streets of hobart or something just looking for some pure rows.

57:18.85
Rini
Like you know, ah because Roads Rose orlis.

57:25.33
Rini
Well if I can if I can smell a rose that's even better, but but you know rose oil is one of the most expensive things ever you know per meal. It's like ridiculous. So yeah, that's I've got expensive tapes.

57:30.14
Bianca
Um, yeah.

57:34.51
Bianca
Oh.

57:38.54
latetothepartyasd
Have any dealers got you hooked on their particular fragrance ah trying to make you out like you're an addict right.

57:43.46
Rini
Ah, feel like ah like anything I mean I do tend to like the more expensive um extracts and you know like Sandra what I do like sandalwood has to be pure australian sandawood.

57:45.79
Bianca
No.

57:52.70
Bianca
Are are.

57:56.53
latetothepartyasd
Um, okay yeah.

58:01.68
Rini
Do like that. Um, and I also like Amber Amber is one of my favorites and that's a resin. Um I absolutely love that. So yeah I do kind of tend to prefer single single notes. Yeah.

58:05.27
latetothepartyasd
Um, oh.

58:06.63
Bianca
Um, yes.

58:13.62
latetothepartyasd
Okay, where don't think either us won that one? No okay next one is your favorite movie and so I'm look I'm I'm going to hazard that.

58:14.28
Bianca
No no I don't know what we're gonna go very well this one but okay, you you go down.

58:19.61
Rini
Sorry I'm probably um.

58:32.97
latetothepartyasd
Don't think you do watch a lot of movies and Tv um, but I'm just going to go for it and say that you actually like the film perfume which is from I think it's from the 90 s it's quite a saucy film if you haven't seen it but it's a really good film. So I'm just going to say because of.

58:45.19
Bianca
Are ah.

58:48.75
Rini
Let's see.

58:52.73
latetothepartyasd
Purely because it's got the title you probably would have gone and if you'd seen it, you would have watched it and liked it.

58:57.25
Bianca
okay okay know actually you've got her all wrong. She like loves all the traditional sort of she loves like breakfast at Tiffany's is a classic and ring loves it.

59:08.59
Rini
Um, I've never heard of perfume. Um I'm I'm much more of a documentary person than a movie person and but but that's okay, my favorite movie is Ai remember that old one with the had dude law as a robot and.

59:08.96
latetothepartyasd
Um.

59:16.18
Bianca
Um, what should have got that with your guest.

59:22.71
Bianca
Um, yes, um.

59:23.42
latetothepartyasd
Um, ah I've obsessed a lot of it.

59:27.16
Rini
And and the little kid and the and the whole it. It's this I know it's probably not very popular but um I I Just love that I love that oh it makes me cry the part where the kid gets out the car and she gets him out of the car and tells him I just cry every time on the bear.

59:32.52
Bianca
None on that live.

59:33.80
latetothepartyasd
Oh no, it's fantastic. It's heartbreaking it just I got the extended the ah it that bear that bear I'm absolutely obsessed with I Ah back back when I was a hippie I thought.

59:44.12
Bianca
Um, one um.

59:46.81
Rini
Ah, bear. Yeah oh yes.

59:50.20
latetothepartyasd
The bear represented God but it represents something which I'd love to watch it again inside and with my more adult brain trying to make sense of that being oh my god.

59:53.97
Bianca
Ah.

59:55.53
Rini
Yeah, yeah, and at the end where he he gets one day with his mother at the end and oh I just can't just can't but I do love sci-fi I'm a big sci-fi fan. So if I'm yeah.

01:00:06.17
Bianca
Ah, yeah, okay, we both got zero for that one as well. We both they me didn't okay, anyway, not well unlike class 5

01:00:06.85
latetothepartyasd
Yeah, they go. That's that's me then now I me I won the one because I like sci-fi to.

01:00:16.58
Rini
Um, well no, ah.

01:00:22.74
Bianca
Anyway, next one is your favorite food smell.

01:00:25.93
latetothepartyasd
Who I'm going to go for a very ah, very strong. Um curry that's been made from scratch. Well you know good a good curry leaf a like a good combination of those sort of really potent smells.

01:00:26.26
Rini
Um, ah home.

01:00:34.20
Bianca
What and what? what's in the carry. Oh. That's a good I think I think that Rennie likes just fresh tie cooking with lots of. Hurt fresh herds and especially and this is risky loves coriander and basil in a good salad with some tofu.

01:01:00.21
Rini
Um, ah no, no both both of those both of those are closed because I do like the aromatic type. Yeah, so they're both very close um gosh if I had to choose one that was closest.

01:01:00.37
latetothepartyasd
You know, like ah hope she's gonna say like a chocolate Teddy Bear Biscuit or something like that something like so completely fake a jelly bean right.

01:01:03.70
Bianca
How. And it's.

01:01:18.78
Rini
Maybe Bianca yeah because I do I do like a nice fresh Kirby kind of salad but I also love the smell of garlic I know a lot more people do. But I love that smell. It's beautiful. No possibly yeah.

01:01:19.13
latetothepartyasd
Um, oh.

01:01:21.25
Bianca
Yes, yeah, oh yeah, that is good.

01:01:27.19
latetothepartyasd
Um, absolutely well I think if we were interviewing you in winter you would have chosen my 1 instead. That's all I'm saying here.

01:01:35.80
Bianca
Ah, okay, but we're not yes show. Okay, next one is favorite color.

01:01:36.75
Rini
Possibly That's kind of the winter version and there's the summer version. That's true. Yeah, that's true.

01:01:42.46
latetothepartyasd
I But don't have to get too specific about types because there's so many within but um because I'm first I think I get to win here because it's definitely going to be a form of green I would say like a gum green.

01:01:49.54
Bianca
Um, with.

01:01:56.50
Bianca
Ah, okay, well I'm oh I'm just going to say just just all natural sort of earthy colors. Okay I'm going to say Amber now.

01:02:00.55
latetothepartyasd
No, you can't say that.

01:02:08.79
Rini
Um, here Dan wins. Um.

01:02:12.11
Bianca
Um, well green would have been my first choice. Well did you should you should showwin your front door. It's green. You just paint god a pandic green yesterday. Yes, no, and yes.

01:02:14.51
latetothepartyasd
Um, I know exactly? no.

01:02:16.90
Rini
Um, but but certain yeah certain types of green I don't I don't like you know lime green or any and I don't like that dark heritage green. It has to be kind of a nice kind of yeah like ah, a soft green like my logo really so has has those colors in the leaf.

01:02:29.68
latetothepartyasd
Okay, yeah, my son's got a new toy with it which is I need to find out what exactly that color is because I have been obsessed over that toy and the color ever since it.

01:02:32.40
Bianca
Yes, and ah I.

01:02:35.89
Rini
Ah, water color leave.

01:02:38.81
Rini
Um, yeah.

01:02:43.78
Bianca
Ah.

01:02:45.20
Rini
Have you noticed there's some really cool um car colors now. New new cars have those muted kind of aren't they cool. They're really cool. You know, getting off track.

01:02:46.75
latetothepartyasd
Yes, there are.

01:02:47.12
Bianca
Yes, yes I Love the muted colors right? Yes, no okay, but me oh okay, but the question is a favorite holiday destination.

01:02:50.88
latetothepartyasd
Love it. Yep now I'll let you answer this one first. Yeah, the.

01:03:05.83
Bianca
This is a difficult one because I know that you like to be at home and with you know with a lot of people not around so I'm I'm thinking just you like you don't want to go into the big cities you like just a nice big hike or you like that trail in Tasmania which is like seven days or ten days what's that like that's one you like that one.

01:03:16.36
latetothepartyasd
Where.

01:03:22.48
Rini
Um, the Overland track I can be.

01:03:25.72
Bianca
But there's too many people. So then you don't like that one so you just like to just go off yourself. You you like New Zealand New Zealand is great because you get to go up in the um mountains. Okay, that's my answer. How about you dan.

01:03:38.70
latetothepartyasd
I'll just give the right answer which is cradle mountain. Oh no.

01:03:40.12
Rini
Oh gee they're both good but I have to say it's rural Italy because because we lived there. We lived in in in a little place called banyon.

01:03:43.34
Bianca
Um.

01:03:47.73
Bianca
Um, ah I love that where where did you leave where about? ah.

01:03:56.53
Rini
Which is in Lunajana which is a village ah like a region. Um and we lived in the Hills there and when the kids were it or they went to school there and yeah it was very very rural. There wasn't many people but it was just the best It was natural. There were like forests and there was.

01:04:01.77
Bianca
Right? wow.

01:04:03.61
latetothepartyasd
Um, oh.

01:04:10.22
Bianca
That would be amazing. Yeah yeah.

01:04:14.52
latetothepartyasd
Wow so York Pico and Port Italiano

01:04:15.68
Rini
Fireflies and it was just really cold. Ah, very badly I used to when we when we lived there. It was great but um and we went back couple years ago. But yeah, it's um, it's all I'll got no one to speak to ah there you go.

01:04:28.11
Bianca
Yes, Ah, that's my it's my favoriteite place in the whole world is ah just Italy just Italy in general I will not the towns. Not the big cities but the small little places and the food of course I'm gluten intolerant as well but over in Italy you can have gluten.

01:04:33.60
latetothepartyasd
Um, sna.

01:04:37.53
Rini
Um, yeah, of course. Yeah.

01:04:45.74
Bianca
Um, one so kind of gluten you can have the pasta and things and it doesn't affect you so that's exciting. Yes, yeah like I guess we both got that wrong. So the next one is.

01:04:47.71
Rini
Yeah, yeah, the food's amazing and the people I mean got so many friends and family over there. So it's lovely to go back and and visit.

01:04:55.20
latetothepartyasd
Um.

01:04:57.33
latetothepartyasd
Um, it.

01:05:01.28
Bianca
Favorite music genre. Ah so you go firsthand because I don't even like music.

01:05:03.50
latetothepartyasd
Oh God's sakes I didn't know how that makes sense I Well, let's see I think you would have obviously loved I would I would say in in a general sense. You probably like the world music and ah but I think because of where you spent some time there. Ah, think you probably like the the more traditional sort of European folk as being something you enjoy to listen to um as a ah sort of meditation.

01:05:26.42
Bianca
Oh.

01:05:33.83
Bianca
Oh okay, so I'm I'm just going to go I'm just gonna go country music. Yes higher. Yeah, a is this.

01:05:40.80
Rini
Oh God No not country music. Um I Yeah I'm not really a huge music fan either. But um I do like eighty s music. Love eighty s music. Yeah I know it's sad but I do yeah.

01:05:53.82
Bianca
No Dan loves a yeah Dan loves all I like 80 but not as much as that and.

01:05:54.38
latetothepartyasd
I Love a's music too. I Yeah yeah I had to re-record Papado preach for ah for a guy work and with new lyrics.

01:05:57.36
Rini
Yeah, Love Yeah. Oh.

01:06:06.46
latetothepartyasd
So you know I've had a lot of fun recording that sort of 80 s sound as well. But yeah I grew up in the audience. It didn't like ladies music at the time but um um I like it a bit more now.

01:06:16.97
Rini
Um, yeah yeah I know I love eighty's music. My sister just went to the culture cod concert like last week yeah and she said it was amazing. So would have been good.

01:06:17.51
Bianca
Um.

01:06:21.87
latetothepartyasd
Oh fantastic here. Ah on.

01:06:25.20
Bianca
Oh okay, and it's this is this question is the last question and it is the one that ah it's a tent worth 10 points. It's called. It's for your.

01:06:33.11
latetothepartyasd
So.

01:06:37.58
Bianca
Favorite Guilty Tv show pleasure. Yeah I'm stumped. Okay I'm going to say it is the one where.

01:06:38.63
latetothepartyasd
Can you start in this one because I'm struggling.

01:06:41.87
Rini
Ah.

01:06:51.90
Bianca
It's offgrid. It's the one. It's you go and you go off. It's the people that create their houses off grid and they're amazing and they're just you know what I'm talking. But I forget what it's called. Let's call it off grid something Yes, something like that.

01:06:58.61
Rini
Um, yeah, living off the grid or something. Yeah.

01:06:59.77
latetothepartyasd
Um, okay, well I'm going to say is it gourmet farmer the ittasie guy that peak farm or whatever it is um, no, there's a there's a guy who's in New South Wales but there's also another one who was a a food journalist.

01:07:07.14
Rini
Um, oh that's to you know is that called um, cottage something River cottage. Um.

01:07:17.58
latetothepartyasd
And I'm going to move on to a different one because you clearly don't know who who it is ah and say or just thinking out loud that you I reckon effect guilty teacher I would say you probably going back to something from the 80 s.

01:07:23.37
Rini
Ah.

01:07:24.20
Bianca
Um.

01:07:30.82
Bianca
Um.

01:07:36.16
latetothepartyasd
Um, wonder if mash might be 1 that you really enjoy if it's on.

01:07:41.32
Rini
Oh gosh I was going to say um house hunt is international I Love that show and it's not um, ah you know I think maybe maybe some of it is not real like in other words, there's probably actors.

01:07:45.97
latetothepartyasd
Um, ah is.

01:07:46.59
Bianca
Um, ah are one? Yes, yeah, yes.

01:07:54.41
latetothepartyasd
Um, a.

01:07:55.87
Rini
But um, it's just int, really interesting I Love looking at houses around the world and all those kind of you know the international cultural differences. It's really fascinating but over you did pretty why you did okay with the aromatic.

01:08:02.62
Bianca
Yes, okay I think we've both really kind of lost in I think it's like one zero I think you won and one one minutes but I think I put you into a box that was a very hippie organic. All those things.

01:08:05.47
latetothepartyasd
Um, we have been abysmal.

01:08:14.27
Rini
Male thing that was good. Yeah, ah.

01:08:14.83
latetothepartyasd
This.

01:08:22.49
Bianca
But not thinking about any other part of the world I was just thinking about where you are and you're in that of Tasmania. Um, yes, yes, well we can't always be right? Dan Not always

01:08:22.89
Rini
Right? Yeah and I do love Chro mountain. Go there often and I'm always outside walking around the property and yeah so I do love all of those things. No one's perfect.

01:08:25.89
latetothepartyasd
Um, a.

01:08:35.16
latetothepartyasd
No I guess not I guess not fine. Well thank you so much for spending time talking to us about your special interest and being late diagnosed is is an interesting experience for us and the more that we talk to people who have been through this the more we can share.

01:08:41.75
Bianca
Have.

01:08:42.92
Rini
Um, are you welcome. It was fun.

01:08:46.77
Bianca
So yeah.

01:08:54.78
latetothepartyasd
And notice just how similar a lot of our experiences have been um, is there anything else, you'd like to say bank you you look like you're very happy that with how I went about describing all this say the the.

01:08:57.84
Bianca
Yeah.

01:08:58.42
Rini
Um, yeah, it's really helpful.

01:09:05.46
Bianca
What? well because I've got the show notes and I know what you're going to say next. So I'm just waiting for your punchline.

01:09:10.34
latetothepartyasd
Yes I know Thank you very much for talking to us and smell you later.

01:09:13.77
Rini
Um, know Yeah, ah oh that's good den done.

01:09:23.71
Bianca
Ah.

01:09:26.69
latetothepartyasd
But ah thank you? Ah, thank you.

01:09:26.74
Bianca
Her yeah, that's that's what I was now I'm not good. Yes, that that was a but I mean a Dan's good at doing like in pro and at attro so those things and I just and even know what I'm good at I'm just um I'm just here to to rail him in I think.

01:09:32.00
Rini
Thanks so much guys.

01:09:37.84
Rini
Awesome.

01:09:39.57
latetothepartyasd
Um, or.

01:09:44.73
Rini
Um, yeah, someone needs to ah.

01:09:45.74
Bianca
Keep him on track. Yes, it's okay, um, yeah, oh that was really nice. Thank you very much I'm definitely going to buy didn't realize you could buy your things your perfumes at Retailers I was just going to buy them online. Ah.

01:09:51.72
latetothepartyasd
Um, that was awesome. Yeah.

01:09:55.87
Rini
Um, yeah, yeah, so there's there's one in every state now of Australia and there's also New Zealand and Taiwan it's big in Taiwan and ah just about to do South Korea so

01:10:03.71
Bianca
All right.

01:10:08.41
Bianca
Ah, so is this in. Do you know where it is in Melbourne. Okay I am.

01:10:10.26
latetothepartyasd
Um, yeah, that's what I was trying to find you the stock lists I tried the current vacation I tried in the city itself and I couldn't find any there. So um.

01:10:13.00
Rini
Ah, yes, if you go to the website. There's a stockerss map. So if you click up the top of the website. Yeah, if you go to the stockerss map it says docus. Yeah I were you, you're in Victoria you can you can do that.

01:10:28.18
Bianca
You've just got to zoom in on the map. Don't you and there we go. Oh yes, oh where's that one hold on less I know.

01:10:29.14
latetothepartyasd
Um, and that's what I'm gonna do now.

01:10:31.70
Rini
You can do that. There's what have we got 3 I'm hooking up. There's three here.

01:10:36.29
latetothepartyasd
Okay, here we go say one in Mornington oh hang on this one dear us um, north what? Oh my god yeah alter mode of fashion and gifts. Um I went to that shop recently.

01:10:40.29
Rini
Oh there you go which one's near you.

01:10:44.48
Bianca
And in northmo not oh like right? Hey that's only like 20 minutes and much me did you? wow.

01:10:49.00
Rini
Um, there you go.

01:10:52.73
Rini
Um, get in it get in there there. Um I think they're relatively new stock. It's ultramoga. So yeah, well, that's good where you can go in and actually um, they have on the um.

01:10:53.47
latetothepartyasd
Yeah, yeah.

01:10:57.32
latetothepartyasd
Wow.

01:10:59.23
Bianca
Okay, I'll put that in there. Alright.

01:11:07.71
Rini
The point of sale display. There's ah the section at the front where you can sample everything so you can sample the perfume before you buy it which which I think is so important. Um, so yeah, you can go in and have a play see what you think of Cradle mountain. Yeah.

01:11:11.36
latetothepartyasd
Right here you yeah ah.

01:11:12.46
Bianca
Um, oh that is great. Yeah, we should go together. Dad is.

01:11:21.88
latetothepartyasd
That's brilliant. We'll take the air now we'll take the dogs for a walk on along near there and go check this out. Oh that's great. Yeah I'll stop the recordings so we can go through that process in a second.

01:11:26.99
Rini
Yeah pop in.

01:11:31.13
Bianca
Ah, okay, so yeah.

01:11:33.89
Rini
Sure.