She Speaks | A Let Her Speak Podcast
She Speaks | A Let Her Speak Podcast
The Evolution of a Leader with Emma Moran & Alysia Bullock
If you’re familiar with the saying “The best-laid plans are paved with good intentions” - then you know there is power in being able to handle changes and interruptions, even if you’re feeling uncertain about the future.
In today’s drop on the She Speaks Podcast, we share a conversation with Let Her Lead established leader graduate, Emma Moran, and her coach, Alysia Bullock. They speak openly about how we react to change.
Emma’s leadership journey has experienced many changes, and some of the topics that come up in this episode include what her journey has looked like, how she has evolved into the leader she’s always wanted to be, and how she shows up for others when she can’t physically be there with her community.
At the end of the episode, Emma shares her legacy statement, which is a beautiful look into how chasing external validation from outside of her community wasn’t fulfilling her — and how focusing on individual relationships and the way she makes people around her feel gave her the fulfillment she needed.
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Throughout Season 2 we will be featuring the graduates and mentors/coaches in our first cohort of the Let Her Lead program. Each woman you will hear from throughout this season embarked on a 12-week journey in late 2023 to gain new skills and insights to become the leader SHE wants to be.
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You're listening to She Speaks, a Let Her Speak podcast that celebrates women's fearlessness, resiliency, and readiness to change the world. [music] Welcome back to the She Speaks series.
This is Catherine Porth, the founder of Let Her Speak. And the episode you're about to hear, it will be between Emma Moran and Alysia Bullock. Emma is a graduate of our Let Her Lead program and she was in the established leader cohort and Alysia was her coach throughout the program.
And these two women have a really amazing conversation and a dynamic of going back and forth with the journey that Emma specifically has been on. on for the last few months.
To give you a little bit of context, there's been a lot of changes, a lot of new realizations within Emma's leadership journey. And she opens up a lot about what that has looked like and how she has been able to evolve as a leader and find herself in the type of leader that she really wants to be and how she wants to show up.
Emma is a planner. planner and is trying to learn how to adapt and be flexible. So any of you out there who are fellow type A's and love to know everything that needs to happen and make sure that it happens exactly in accordance with your plans,
hearing from Emma will probably help you take a little bit of a breath and recognize that we can't control everything and we have to adapt and be flexible. choosing how you respond in those situations is also something that they dive into and connecting with teams if you work remotely.
So Emma is fully remote, which is a completely different dynamic when you're talking about working with others and leading others. So if that also is something that you're struggling with,
this is a great episode to hear from Emma and Alysia on how how she has been able to navigate that space. So let's dive into this incredible conversation between Emma and Alysia.
What did you do during the Snowpocalypse? Honestly, I was very surprised as just watching everybody else and how they handled it. Very thankful to work from home.
- Were you on social media at all? Because that was just like entertainment in itself. People on social media talking about this. - I just had to look out by window and it was entertainment enough because there were so many abandoned cars.
They didn't plow, I guess Tennessee does not, or at least our county didn't have the infrastructure to deal with it, but honestly it was really nice. It reminded me a pinch of COVID times.
because it was quiet, meetings were canceled, businesses were shut. So there was this weird calm about it that I was like, okay, this is very interesting.
And just gave me a sense of peace, honestly, to stay at home. So I didn't feel the pressure, which we often talk about like pressure and work and things like that. But I didn't feel the pressure to go out or to be anywhere.
And I don't think I felt that since COVID. - That's so good. - So it was nice. - Yes, I was out of town. So I was in sunny California. I think two days right before it started snowing.
So I flew back into it, but it was interesting being gone for the bulk of it. So I came back and I didn't really get the good parts of it where you got to sledding and everyone has the day off,
like all of that kind of stuff. I came in at the end. when it was a second set of, you know, wintery weather and, you know, more dangerous road conditions and trying to clean up. So it was a little,
I think people were over it by the time I was coming back from California. Well, and you were also under the weather recently. So you had that. Yes. You had a trip to California. We threw in the snowstorm.
Have you had it back to work yet? I have the benefit. benefit, I work remotely. So one of the benefits that I get to experience through that is I was able to flex and adapt,
like take time off for being sick. But then also when I needed to travel, I was able to actually even do a little bit of work from California to kind of stay up to speed. And yeah,
my managers and everyone was just super understanding. So I was able to, you know, cut off and have the break that I needed. but also be able to keep up to date with some of the stuff because it just turned into such an unusual month for me.
- Well, I'm happy to hear they were supportive though, right? - Yes. - You had mentioned, we had talked quite a bit about the number of changes that were happening in your role and the company. And then to have all of those things that we just mentioned,
on top of it. So I'm very happy to hear that they were understanding about the number of changes that were happening. How was it for you transitioning back to work? It was pretty challenging. The last few weeks for me have been mostly just a lot going on outside of work.
And so that can sometimes just be distracting, just like a lot of emotions, a lot of things on my mind. And so it's challenging to focus during work when there's so much happening outside.
But we have a really family first work culture supported through all levels of leadership. And so I just really grateful to be able to be where I'm at. Good. Well,
since you work from home, how do you, how do you make that come alive in your own house? Because with the kids home and, you know, managing, you're being a working mom to those lovely distractions are right there.
there, you know, in the home. I do have to say that I felt it was reminding me a little bit of COVID times as well that that week because because we do have school -aged children. I was still working from home and we were all snowed in and,
you know, couldn't go anywhere. So we were all kind of on top of each other as as, you know, school continued to get canceled in Knox County, which I'm grateful for because we want to be safe, of course, in the roads just.
just weren't, you know, right for the buses and all of that. But it's challenging. It's interesting because when I talk about working from home, I've actually worked from home since about 2016.
So years, you know, before the pandemic, I guess you could say, years before it was cool. And it's not the same when you have everyone home and in the house.
On a regular basis, it's still very quiet. I just get to be in my own home. I have lots of opportunities for breaks and things like that. So even through some of the weather we've had recently, it's unusual to be closed inside the house,
not be able to leave, you know, and have everyone kind of loud and with all the noisy distractions and kind of on top of each other in that way. One of the things I picked up from our conversations was your desire to have a plan.
to have things planned out. And you mentioned a couple of things where it was unexpected, not planned. And just wondering how did you keep your own sense of peace and calm?
I would say one of the best things I've learned both from working remotely and from some of the recent changes my company has gone through is how to stay flexible and how to adapt adapt,
even when it's uncomfortable. And that has been a really good growing point for me because even when we find something that works, it usually only stays that way for a certain amount of time.
And so I have gotten used to the ideas of having more of a routine versus a schedule, something that can flex and adapt, always being self -aware of.
how I'm feeling, how I'm doing, what's working for me, what's not working for me, what's working for the family, and not working for them. So I think just really keeping that mindset of how do we continue to ensure that we're putting our well -being first,
that we are prioritizing family, when are the times that I do need to prioritize work, what does that mean, and just having that constant communication, you know, with my family and with my,
you know, managers and co -workers and things like that. That's, you know, I've just learned like that's one of the best ways to move through it and to just, again, stay flexible and expect the unexpected.
That's become my new mantra, expect the unexpected. The only constant in life is change. You know, all of these really resonate with me strongly and I've learned. to sort of just accept that and it's just part of how life is and it helps me roll with the punches.
- How have you, from an emotional standpoint, what have you noticed in yourself on how you respond to change? - I think I have changed over time in how I respond to change.
And so I would say now, where I'm at now is there's always some sort of initial feeling about it. And I know you and I have talked about this through our conversations. And that could be positive or it could be negative depending on what the change is.
But I have a better ability now to allow myself to feel that feeling, whatever it is, positive or negative, and then take that step back and think,
okay, how do I actually want to move forward though? How do I want to respond to this and what does it mean? And, you know, not react from the place of emotion,
but react more from a place of, I guess, I guess just like applying like my self -awareness and logic and,
you know, like how do I actually want to show up and act and behave in this situation? - Yeah. Yeah. I guess what I hear from that too is there's the change, the unplanned,
right? The unscheduled, being flexible in the moment and reacting. But what I hear you saying is taking that pause and choosing how do you want to respond?
And I think particularly in the workplace is, I'll say, I'd like to believe there's a lot more forgiveness. Goodness, sometimes with our family. family, you know, when we have a bad day or we're not showing up as our best self.
And oftentimes maybe an additional layer of uncertainty or anxiety that comes from when we hear things around change,
it's like, "Oh, how do I show up professionally? How do I show up with no emotion?" Right, and that's really hard because then... we talk about showing up as our best selves, but sometimes our best self isn't our best self,
you know, particularly when we are in the workplace and there's an element of change. So, you know, I think that pause is the grounds to give us the space to choose how we want to respond versus react.
So how do you create that when you talk about creating that space so you can choose that? What does that look like for you? I think there's a few layers of how to actually create that space.
There's one piece of it that is just having an ongoing self -awareness and caring about being in like a centered, peaceful state all the—or not all the time because you can't,
you know, perfectly control your emotions all the time. But, you know, having the mindset. of I need to do these things or put into place like XYZ routine in order to show up as my best self every day,
and this is what helps keep me grounded, this is what helps keep me centered, understanding that there are always ongoing changes and uncertainties and things that show up during the day, whether that's at work or at home, frankly,
especially as a parent. And so there's that piece of it, which is just... accepting and acknowledging this is how I want to be on a regular basis through most days and so tactically what that looks like for me is understanding what does it mean then to get myself to that place on an ongoing basis regardless of the specific situations that show up.
So whether that's getting the right amount of sleep, waking up at a certain time, doing some journaling or reflection or meditation. or, you know, having, you know, listening to certain music that helps,
like, calm me or get me excited for a day. That type of thing is really helpful. And then I think there's another layer, though, of dealing with specific situations as they're coming up.
Like, how do I take that pause and what do I need to do in the moment of specific things at work or, frankly, at home too? too, and how to take that pause in the moment to make sure that I'm,
like you said, not from a place of reactivity, responding from a place of reactivity, but from a proactive approach, how do I actually want to show up? And I think for me, those can sometimes overlap,
but they're kind of two different things, like two different skill sets. And I think it's the one that's in the moment that can sometimes be the hardest or the most important. charged.
Like, how do you detach when you're in that moment and sort of acknowledge that whatever those feelings are that are coming up and still take that space and then come back to the situation and respond appropriately.
- You touch on something so important, which is the, we hear something that shakes our foundation. Right? Again, I think about some of the changes that you shared in the workplace.
You know, things like that. you've shared with home, you know, since we've met and that initial emotional reaction, right? And the decision to say, one, that space.
And you mentioned some really beautiful tactics, which I subscribe to as well to try to, you know, keep myself sane, so whether it be creating just a moment of silence or exercise or meditation or just writing things down or,
you know, even two or three minutes. sometimes just to recenter. I'm going to ask you, what does that look like in the workplace, right? How do you create that space for yourself in the workplace in the moment?
- So for me, the workplace has been remote for years like I shared. So I preface, I start with that because I think this can look different for different people.
So I'm obviously coming from the place. of I work remotely. Most of the company is remote. Some people are in sort of like a hybrid situation, but we operate basically remotely. So what that looks like for me really tactically is making sure that I take a break if I need to literally get up from the computer,
leave, walk around, pour some more coffee if I need it, take that space before responding. [BLANK _AUDIO] And for me, usually those responses are through whatever our company messaging platform is,
emails, like whatever sort of that standard communication is. And for us, those are virtual options. Now, of course, when we're on a video chat, that's different because everyone's live and we're all talking together.
And so I think, again, that's like a slightly different skill set. But I think those things are important. And like sometimes-- sometimes there's an urgency that we feel like when we're constantly online and the nature of my work is remote and I'm on my computer all the time.
So I need to acknowledge that as part of my experience in my environment that I am online a lot and we're all communicating online throughout the entire day.
And so, you know, I liken it kind of like to when you get stuck like doom scrolling on social media, you know, like you have to pause and have the awareness like, wait a minute, how do I take a step like I need to not, I need to step away from the screen for a moment,
you know, and not just respond right away. And so I think for me, that's something that actually is important for us to acknowledge for those of us that work remotely as part of our work environment that it's virtual.
And so just simply stepping away before responding to the message or before, you know, sending the email can be helpful. I've heard some other strategies too that can help where writing out a response ahead of time or talking it out ahead of time,
but before actually doing it. You get it out of your system, and this has helped me sometimes, I get it out of my system. What I'm thinking, it helps me clarify my thoughts. It's not always for the purpose of,
"Oh, I need to vent," or something. That's not always the case, but it's more just like, "Why is this bothering me? Why is this bothering me? and I have talked about this, like what is coming up for me? Is this bothering me or am I taking off guard?
Like what is that feeling exactly? And taking that space to get that clarity on what that means helps me come back to the situation how I want to. - That was the thing, you know, a question that I often ask myself when I'm starting to feel like that heat,
right? That rise of emotion is what else is going on, right? - It is. Is it something in the workplace or is that I'm already well -tight from something personal? That's not even related.
And so there's already sort of this ripe ground, yet another change, you know, gets dumbed on. You mentioned something interesting, right? That hybrid working environment or even your remote interaction.
And like you, I started working remote many years ago, but I think... there's a big workforce now where working remote is a newer skill, not new and a lot of momentum around self -awareness.
But particularly when we're talking to people, to teammates, to colleagues over Zoom, is we don't have the beauty of a lot of body language, or a lot of the face -to -face interactions where we could could really get a sense on what the situation is.
How do you keep yourself tuned into stress levels of other people? Right? You know, I think about particularly your team, right? As you manage this team in the workplace,
they're experiencing the change to you've got some strategies for yourself. You know, what do you do just tune into other people on your team to help them as their leader? Working remotely, I think,
getting to the point where I know people personally, it's always important, but I think there's an extra level of importance when you're working remotely, because you don't have the in -person interactions all the time,
you have the virtual interaction. So I do spend a lot of time making sure I really get to know people. How do they typically talk via like messaging,
you know, text and what they're talking about? that tone tends to look like and how do they typically talk on video calls, right? And what is their body language typically like when the mood is really positive and upbeat or when it's challenging or when it's stressful and just sort of like it's similar to what we do do in person,
but there's other cues that we can take, you know, and it doesn't and it's a balance too because you don't want to read too much into things either. It's always easy. easy to misinterpret something over text, but I think to say that it means nothing over messaging or means nothing if someone has their camera off,
that would probably be too strong as well. So, you know, it's like a balance of not reading too much into it, but also like really caring about people and getting to know them. And one thing that I do is I also try to have just casual conversation with people.
You know, it's very easy remotely to get caught in back -to -back meetings. because whether the company intends to or not, there's sometimes this culture of, "Oh,
well, if you're just a virtual, you can just hop on whatever you need to." Whereas in the office, people generally, like, you know, you gather, you kind of chit -chat a little bit, you know, you meet people in other parts of the office or, like, people understand break time so you can walk to wherever you need to go.
And some of that is missing, virtually, you know, you don't know if someone's, like, just getting up to go to the bathroom. bathroom, just these little things that we take for granted in person. And so I think taking those extra steps to just chat with people at the beginning of meetings or the end of meetings,
get to know people personally, like what are they like again when they're in some of their more normal state moods and how do they respond during stressful times?
- I think that's so important. I think about some of the work that I've done around team effectiveness. And there's so much that I've done. power in those conversations around, how do I like to show up?
How do I like to communicate? How do I like to influence? How do I like to stay connected socially? But the inverse of that, like you said, is, you know, what does it look like when I'm stressed out?
How do I show up? And the beauty in being asked that question, and I tie that to somebody cared enough to ask me that question. question, somebody cared enough to pay attention to when I may not be at my best.
They now have some indicators to help me get on track or to notice that. And we talked about that power of that pause, right? Reaction versus response is I think that's a learned skill.
You know, it's something that I am learning, have continued to learn, something I wish I learned 20 years ago, but didn't, so I'm happy to be in this. place now. But I think as you learn it, you know, as you say,
you have those strategies to learn, where as the leader, we may be in a position where we have to create that space for someone else. Yes. I think really tactically, as a leader,
you can just ask too. Like you said, create the space. How are you feeling? You know, what there's a lot going on right now. How is everyone feeling? Are there any questions?
questions that I can answer and I'll do my best? And, you know, approaching it from that perspective just gives people the space and helps people know,
like, okay, this is a time that I can ask this quit. Like this has been, you know, on my mind. And I think what's most important is doing that all the time and not just in the times when things are stressful or when there is conflict or when there is...
is really big business changes. And that's where I think we come full circle to this idea of preparing ahead of time and reflecting ahead of time. How do I want to show up? Because that is where I have found I've been able to be a certain way or do my best to live aligned to my values as a leader more than just in the challenging times and that builds trust.
trust with employees over time and with-- but not just employees, actually, but managers, stakeholders, people that I partner with. And that allows us to,
when it is those difficult times, to already have that trust to be able to stand on. What are some of the things you've done as an employee to your manager, to your leadership to help establish that?
Not recognizing that. that the skills that we're talking about today that are necessary for effective leadership, at least in my experience, these aren't skills that were necessarily taught or even expected 10,
15, 20 years ago. So we have this cohort of leaders or senior leaders who I almost feel are learning these skills alongside of everyone else. Yes. And so you think about your position as an employee.
you know, to this leadership, you know, what do you see the role that you play in helping your management and your leadership learn some of the things that you're working on today or have learned for yourself?
There's two things that come to mind for me and that I personally tried to do. And one of them is I always ask my manager how they're doing also. I think it's really easy to come to your manager with the list of things that you need answers for.
And this isn't unique to the remote environment, but sometimes we need questions answered. We need direction for how to move forward in a certain way or we have results or summaries of things or updates of things that our manager is interested in.
But I always try to make a point to also ask how they're doing. They're under a certain level of stress as well. well and have their own set of stakeholders, own set of pressures and ass.
So I think just like showing up with that level of empathy and sort of reciprocating that relationship is sometimes helpful to just give everyone the space to pause and is something that frankly,
I think a lot of people don't think about or forget to do. And I picture it as like, what if I'm the only person that actually asked how they're doing today? And so I don't just approach that.
with managers as well, not just people sort of around me. And the second piece is being as open as I feel I can be with how I'm doing.
'Cause I think, again, like you said, there's everyone's learning this new, how do we build these relationships remotely? How do we have the conversations that we're using? to having in person? Everyone's learning that at the same time.
And so I think sometimes just proactively being willing to be a little bit more open, you know, when someone asks how you're doing instead of saying, "Fine." You know, answering succinctly and,
you know, clearly like, "I'm doing okay. I'm excited about these projects, but some aspects are challenging because of this and this." and I'm feeling stressed with it. I'd like to talk about some deadlines,
and just being open with that instead of feeling like we need to portray the mask that everything is perfect, and we have everything together. >> That everything's buttoned up, and you say openness.
The other words that come up for me are being honest, being transparent. You mentioned a big contributor to stress of leadership. In these times of changes, there's a lot we don't know,
right? We may know why we're choosing to change, but how it affects people's roles, how it affects people's skills, what are we going to communicate, right? There's the whole era of change management that we ask leaders to step into,
and they step into it knowing that there's a lot of unknowns, right? So, with what's been going on in your workplace, and now as a leader. and you thread in a lot of the unknowns,
how have you been able to step into that role where people are looking to you to say, "Help me alleviate my stress. Help create a calm." And sometimes there's just not the answers to be had.
Yes, I think there's a couple levels for me because because I am in, I guess just at the simplest terms, like a middle manager role.
So, you know, I'm managing people, but also, you know, I'm managing up as well with people who, as you described, like they're less and less in the details,
right? And so I think there's two pieces to that. One that I have been experienced, the first that I've been experiencing recently is, how do I make sure that some of the things that are most important to stakeholders still move forward and get done,
whether that's directly by me or someone else. So just at like the highest level, ensuring that in the midst of the change or uncertainty or, you know, who, like who not everyone has the answers,
how do we still execute? And being willing to, we talk a lot about being like player coaches at our company. So being willing to, first of all,
be in the weeds and the details myself, where I need to and or direct and delegate to someone else so that we can all move forward and sort of take that pressure off of different managers so that they don't have to worry about that.
And then I think the other piece is myself being okay with not having all the answers. So it always comes back to that. But I am someone that I like to have the answers. So this is a big growing area and point for me because not only do I like to have all the answers,
I'm really good at getting the answers. And I understand how things are connected typically. And so when... when that shifts and there's a lot of uncertainty and I don't have all the answers or there's new things being asked of me that I haven't done before,
I have had to grow myself, which I think just takes the self -awareness and the humility and the, just like the acknowledgement to say, "This is a new area for me," but I can learn,
I'm smart and I can learn and I can learn. can figure it out." But also just admitting when it's like, "Well, I don't have that answer actually," and being okay with saying that. Because I think sometimes that's also something that we need to grow in.
And I know that I've grown in in my career is being okay with telling someone that I don't have the answer or that I don't have it yet, right? In the times that it's appropriate to just say, "I don't know yet." yet.
Do you recall a time when you first had to say that? I don't know. Oh my gosh. I'm sure I had to do that really early in my career, but I think I was so, I have such a perfectionist and like high achiever personality that I remember some of these things being extremely uncomfortable earlier in my career.
And so now it's okay with them being like a little bit more normal, a little bit more perfect. So like that in and of itself feels like a growth to me that I actually can't remember, you know, the exact one of those times or at this company in particular where I didn't have the answer because I usually do.
I think that's fantastic growth. So thinking about high achiever. I brought up a hot topic. Yes, absolutely. Do you still consider yourself a high achiever now?
- I do think so. - And how was that changed versus maybe some of your earlier definitions? - Yes, yeah, so I usually try to just say achiever instead of high achiever, but I didn't this time. So that's one change that I've made.
But the other change that I've made is actually just accepting it. I used to spend a lot of time focused on my weaknesses or ways that maybe that was holding me back. And I think that's one change that I've made.
found peace, actually, and growth in just accepting that this is actually a really strong area of mine. It's actually a strength of mine. So really reframing has helped me as a person and throughout my career.
At the same time, I do need to be aware of where that works against me, though, such as how sometimes perfectionism can come along with that. And that's not always helpful in the workplace. and to move the business forward.
And definitely not as a leader when you cannot always be perfect and you can't ensure that everything is perfect. So how I've grown is really understanding the power of good versus perfect,
progress over perfection, all of these fun cliche phrases have actually really helped me. And I assume people like me as well where we struggle with it. with that, like, you know,
how do I put out a first version of something to get feedback on something like that, even though I know it's still a draft, when I would prefer to, you know,
have something perfect tied up with the bow, look at this amazing work that Emma did. So that's been an area of growth for me. So I reframe it as positive because what achiever, what this,
like, aspect of my personality does for me, though. is I have a really good ability to focus for a long amount of time. It helps me be good at what I do. It helps me be good at my job.
It helps me go into the weeds with the people around me when we need to. And then I can also come back out of that though. I have the ability to have like strategic conversations as well.
And so this is a positive, especially when sometimes there are just hard things. things that need to get solved and you just need time and you just need to focus. And I view that as a positive,
but I do also try to be aware of the times that that can hold me back. - So as a self -diagnose recovering perfectionist myself, and if I,
I'll offer one additional cliche that I use is trying to segment work in terms of what needs to be A plus work, like AB work. work versus pass /fail. Yes.
And I think segmenting, again, the quality of that work or really how much effort I put into it. The other thing that I've learned, I think, again, some of the self -discovery journey around perfectionism is holding onto those ideals of being a perfectionist created so much anxiety and recognizing that there was a tremendous amount that was hinged on the result.
that I would expected that was completely out of my control. And it created the opposite effect for me, which was as a perfectionist,
I want to control everything. And therefore, if I control it, it will, the outcome is gonna be something that is mine. But then when I took a look at the scenario in terms of where I wanted to impart my beautiful perfectionism,
obviously, I was doing this first trade. myself because the elements of the success were not in my control. So I think still a learning journey for myself. I think for me,
when I think of that question of like, how do I want to show up? Perfectionism was never the answer. When I really thought about that question, it wasn't actually about how do I make this perfect.
It was for a little bit. But when I really thought about that question, it wasn't about how do I make this perfect. as I started to grow and I started to take that step back and understand, like, how do I actually want to be as a person and as a leader and as an employee and as a manager and,
you know, all of the things, it really never came down to that, to being perfect. In reality, it was about a lot of other more meaningful things. And again, that's where I think it's important to know that.
And what's been helpful for me is to know that about myself, to know what the values are so that when I'm in those moments I don't revert back to my perfectionist tendencies or other things that have been not as ideal in the past.
Do you think being a manager of people or a leader in the organization has also helped that? Yes, because it has allowed me to experience certain things.
situations and confront those situations in the moment, like living at real time, like taking it out of theory and out of like cliche quotes and,
you know, this is what makes a good leader and actually having real lived experiences of, what are you going to do? What am I going to do in this moment? Literally,
how am I going to respond? Because it impacts other people who, I love you. love and respect and work with every day. And that makes it real. That's like, you know, where the rubber meets the road.
And, you know, it's time to, it's time to show up and act how I want to. You shared some, again, beautiful strategies and, and just the time that we've spent together just seen so much growth.
And, and also in that short period of time too, you've experienced so many changes in the workplace. workplace. If you think about where you are today, what's next on deck for you when it comes to here's how you wanna expand your learnings or learn something different or greater to build on top of what you've already done?
- So one thing for me that's always been true throughout my entire career is that I've always wanted to continue to grow as a leader and managing people and working with teams and other people.
I'm just... just, I'm on the side out of my work skill set. I am fascinated all the time by people, our motivations, how we work, organizational behavior and psychology.
So that's something that's always been true for me over time. And I hope that I can continue to grow in that way, you know, where I'm at now. At the same time, I love learning new things.
And so, I, have new skills that I want to learn going through some of the changes at my organization and being part of a new team that I haven't been part of before is giving me exposure to things that I haven't had a chance to directly do or directly experience you know meetings that I didn't used to be part of because I it wasn't part of my role right so I'm like being able to experience new conversations new
ways of thinking from other people and other parts of the organization. And I love that. I love that I'm able to take what I already know and still perform and grow and still,
you know, be a strong contributor to my company, but also learn new things that are stretching me and helping me grow outside of my comfort zone. Because that's just going to help me,
you know, in the long run. How do you make it? sure that that sense of learning and growth and having the space to do all that in a new role is granted in either a development plan or expectations in your job?
Where are you sharing that support in the workplace? Yes. I work for a great company that has benefits that support this, so I'm able to on just a really practical level.
request different programs or funds or things that I need to continue learning. But another tactical thing is sometimes just requesting to be in the room or in my case the virtual room,
you know, being asked to or ask sort of advocating for myself like, hey, can I get put on those meetings or, you know, setting up new new time with with new people to like chat.
and get to know them because I'm moving into new areas and so it makes sense for me to kind of build relationships with new people that I haven't spent time with in the past. So those are some really tactical things, but I think also it's just a mindset.
You could probably take my story and what I have experienced and easily see a different story or a different outcome.
And for me, I choose to see it as an opportunity to grow and to keep growing, and not to look at only the negative side.
I use that term kind of loosely, like, you know, the challenging side. That's one way to look at it, but I think there's a mindset aspect of this, where that's where I choose to look at this is the positive,
this is where I'm growing, this is tactically what this means for me. This is challenging. challenging, but this is where the outcomes are gonna be better for it. - Yeah, and I love that you've been able to do that for yourself,
right? Again, going back to that pause, and how do you want to show up and how do you choose to respond? And I think for others that may be still in that learning process is,
it's hard to get out of our own way sometimes. We're in a situation and we see it for what it is. We either have history with the relationships of our colleagues.
We understand some of the culture of the company. So sometimes we frame these stories that can be so limiting for ourselves. And again, I love that you shared where you'll be able to reframe it for yourselves.
But I think when we get stuck in those situations where we can only see one perspective, I think there's a beauty in either having a friend or a mentor. or somebody who can sit beside us and say,
"Well, it's actually true," or, "I see it from a different perspective," or, "Have you considered this?" And I think without that challenge to help us reframe,
sometimes we can get stuck in a story, like I said, that may or may not be true, and that may limit us from even saying what the positive or potential is in that scenario. Yes. Thank you for being that person for me.
(both laughing) - No, you're welcome, you know, I'll share with you. There's a lot of people that have played that space for me, you know, in a number of different things, you know, personally and professionally.
And I would say over the last year plus, the emotional roller coaster, you know, with moving down to Tennessee and starting new business, where sometimes we get stuck on the ride.
right? It's on this loop, this infinite loop, you know, infinite loop, excuse me, all the time where having other people's perspective to say, "Help me get out of my own way," and trusting the person I'm talking to,
whether it's just let it pass to, "Here's a different perspective," to, "I see it differently," or, "Have you tried this?" And going back to a point that you made,
I'm a which is just feel heard, somebody asked me. Somebody created this space to have a conversation and listen. And usually at the end, even if I don't feel like I've got a solid solution,
I feel better because now I've been able to park the emotion and now focus on things that I can do to help solve or resolve the situation. - Yes. - Thank you for being,
you know, that space too, you know, for me. - Thank you. Now that you've had an opportunity to learn about Emma's leadership journey Let's listen in as she shares the legacy.
She wants to leave behind Around five years ago. I listened to a podcast that funded changed how I viewed myself.
The message was, "Everyone is a leader, and we all have influence." The point was that leadership and influence are not necessarily tied to our job, position,
title, or authority. Regardless of who we are and what job we have, we're all leaders, and we influence ourselves, our families, our loved ones, and our communities. But that's not what I believe in.
growing up. I was very intelligent, athletic, and creative, yet also incredibly shy. I never volunteered for anything, never led anything,
never joined clubs and groups, and doing anything over the phone, like ordering pizza or leaving a voicemail absolutely terrified me. I didn't quite fit into any molds,
and I spent years trying to find where I belonged. Why would anyone be interested in what I have to say? Thankfully, I became more comfortable with myself as I grew out of that phase of my life and I started to dream a little bigger.
I put myself out there more, got involved in a few things and let myself imagine what it might be like to do work that matters and make a difference in the world. I worked for some nonprofits.
with national and global recognition before starting my own business. Then I helped build a few online communities, first connecting creatives, then women in business, then athletes,
but something was still missing, which brings me back to the message, we are all leaders and everyone has influence. This struck me when I heard it because I realized I was influencing people whether I tried to or not.
But I would like to thank you for watching this video. leave a legacy whether I wanted to or not. So what legacy was that going to be? Instead of chasing external validation from people who lived all over the country and frankly didn't even know me,
who was I to the people right next to me? My partner, my family, my coworkers, my neighbors. That's when I experienced a real shift internally around what led me to this.
impact, and influence mean to me. It no longer felt untouchable, like it was only for people who are important or famous thought leaders. I realized the most important impact I could make was on myself,
my family, and my local community. So the idea of legacy and how I want to leave the world has become much simpler. I believe that change and impact start with me,
personally, and in each individual relationship that I have with other people. So when I think of legacy now, I'm inspired by the words from Maya Angelou.
People won't remember what you said, they'll remember how you made them feel. I want people to feel heard, loved, and valued. Can others be fully themselves when they're with me?
me? How well do I listen to the person talking to me who's sharing glimpses of into who they are? Do others know they have value and worth and that I accept them just as they are?
Am I still learning? Am I still willing to change? Am I open to that? Am I trustworthy? Can people rely on my character and my integrity?
I thought about wording some of these as statements, but I like keeping them as questions because we're always changing, evolving, and growing. And we're not perfectly consistent all the time.
For me, phrasing these as questions gives me the room to gut -check myself and how aligned I am with my own values. Ultimately, I want to leave the world a kind of and safer place than how I found it.
I love learning about people's dreams, their desires, their motivations, what's important to them. I want to hold space for that, for other people to be their best selves and to live bravely,
authentically, and joyfully. Because I spent so much time in my life not realizing the influence I had. I had on others and trying to feel like I belonged,
sometimes in spaces and with people who were never going to accept me. I assumed having an impact was always for other people. And I now know it's not just an opportunity,
but my responsibility to acknowledge the leadership and influence that I already have and to make a meaningful impact every day, no matter how small. So, my challenge is to make a meaningful impact no matter how small. So,
my challenge is to make a meaningful impact So, my challenge is to make a meaningful impact So, my challenge is to make a meaningful impact to you is what legacy are you leaving and is it what you want it to be? If not, now is the time to accept. You are a leader and you have influence.
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