WNTTLK (We Need To Talk)
Wynn on Transformative Journey from Oregon Suburb to Hip-Hop Scene, Challenges of Femininity in Rap, Influences from Lupe Fiasco to J. Cole, & Upcoming Music Projects!
Can you imagine the journey of a passionate lyricist from a quiet Oregon suburb to the bustling hip-hop scene? Meet Wynn, our talented guest from Portland, who shares her incredible story of transformation. Influenced by hip-hop legends like Lupe Fiasco, Jay-Z, and Lil Wayne, Wynn found solace and expression in music. From her early days of freestyling and participating in ciphers to embracing the often overlooked title of MC, Wynn opens up about her dedication to lyrical wordplay and how she evolved both as an artist and a public figure.
Being a confident and independent woman in the largely male-dominated rap industry comes with unique challenges, and Wynn navigates them with grace and authenticity. She candidly discusses the complexities of maintaining her morals and femininity while asserting herself in an industry that often blurs the lines between sexualization and empowerment. We delve into audience dynamics, exploring how male and female listeners differ across various platforms, and Wynn's quest to create music that resonates universally.
Finally, we explore the emotional aftermath of a breakup and its influence on personal growth and artistic expression. Inspired by the transparency of artists like Kendrick Lamar, Drake, and J. Cole, Wynn shares her journey of vulnerability and offers relationship advice that balances confidence and humility. As we conclude, Wynn teases her upcoming music projects, promises a highly anticipated sequel, and shares some lighthearted moments, including a quirky drinking game and heartwarming shout-outs to her beloved grandma.
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Can you imagine the journey of a passionate lyricist from a quiet Oregon suburb to the bustling hip-hop scene? Meet Wynn, our talented guest from Portland, who shares her incredible story of transformation. Influenced by hip-hop legends like Lupe Fiasco, Jay-Z, and Lil Wayne, Wynn found solace and expression in music. From her early days of freestyling and participating in ciphers to embracing the often overlooked title of MC, Wynn opens up about her dedication to lyrical wordplay and how she evolved both as an artist and a public figure.
Being a confident and independent woman in the largely male-dominated rap industry comes with unique challenges, and Wynn navigates them with grace and authenticity. She candidly discusses the complexities of maintaining her morals and femininity while asserting herself in an industry that often blurs the lines between sexualization and empowerment. We delve into audience dynamics, exploring how male and female listeners differ across various platforms, and Wynn's quest to create music that resonates universally.
Finally, we explore the emotional aftermath of a breakup and its influence on personal growth and artistic expression. Inspired by the transparency of artists like Kendrick Lamar, Drake, and J. Cole, Wynn shares her journey of vulnerability and offers relationship advice that balances confidence and humility. As we conclude, Wynn teases her upcoming music projects, promises a highly anticipated sequel, and shares some lighthearted moments, including a quirky drinking game and heartwarming shout-outs to her beloved grandma.
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Stay connected! Follow @wnttlk on all platforms.
From time to time it's good to turn your phone off. Get the fuck out of the way, float down a river.
Speaker 2:Huh Yo, what the fuck is going on in Oregon. This how I know, this how I know.
Speaker 1:You're my first friend from Oregon. This how I know I'm floating down the river when I get back on Saturday, get a little tube. You get a little drink, you like.
Speaker 2:That actually sounds like a vibe. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying. What's up y'all? It's Wynn. My new single Dogging Me is out now. What's up, nyla? We need to talk.
Speaker 2:What's going on, guys? I am Nyla Simone, and welcome to another episode of we Need to Talk. Today. I got a very special guest in the building. We got Wynn in here.
Speaker 1:How are?
Speaker 2:you, we're in this bitch. Sorry that you had to experience this New. York summer like this Me too. I feel like it's a little more intense than it usually is. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:It's gross. It feels like I'm in Florida. No, yeah, it's humid. Yeah, it is super humid. It's gross.
Speaker 2:But whatever. Okay, you outside. This is not your first time in New.
Speaker 1:York no.
Speaker 2:I know you already know how we get down feeling good.
Speaker 1:We're in rollout season, so it's a busy time, but I'm really excited about it. Things have been going well. Things have definitely been going well.
Speaker 2:I've been seeing you all over my social media feed. I love to see the content, but for those who aren't familiar with Wynn and who are new to who you are, who- is Wynn.
Speaker 1:Wynn is an emcee, a lyricist, um an artist out of portland. I grew up in a in a little suburb right outside the city and, um, I got, uh, I started to build my following, just posting like freestyles and stuff, uh, competing in like the cypher scene, and I had some things take off with some virality, put my team together, um and yeah, now we, yeah, now we're here.
Speaker 2:Now we're here. I love that. You said I am an MC.
Speaker 1:I'm an MC. I don't be hearing that.
Speaker 2:I think you're the first actually artist to come in here and say I'm an MC.
Speaker 1:No, way, that's because I came up like so in the underground, like so, just like you know, two dudes next to me stepping up to a mic and doing a cypher and it was like that's something you pride yourself on is like being an mc.
Speaker 2:Thank god, thank god it still exists, because I'd be concerned. I'd be really concerned me too. So this is a breath of fresh air. But I love that you started with mc, just because, also just in the time they were in a rap, and especially with this like explosion of women rappers, they don't even consider themselves mc.
Speaker 1:So the fact that you led with that it's kind of a different thing, like it's really with like an emphasis on to me, like wordplay, uh, like lyrical ability. I think something that's so popular in in lyricism right now that I'm trying to improve on is like statements like bitches have statements that are fire, that just like leave you tripping gotta be bold, yeah, which is like kind of a new wave of of a type of lyricism, I think.
Speaker 1:But I came up much more like internal rhyme schemes and punch lines and that kind of wordplay yeah, yeah, but I feel like you've definitely been bold lately, yeah, especially with the packaging and like.
Speaker 2:I feel like we've seen like a little evolution of when absolutely yeah, people watch me grow up for real?
Speaker 1:yeah, because I came up when I was like 18 19. I'm 27 now, so shit it's for.
Speaker 2:I know crazy, that is crazy. Yeah, all right, before we get into your, your evolution, let's. Let's start with just like growing up in Oregon and your hip-hop influences, because I personally don't know. Yeah, anybody from Oregon, I think you're my first friend that's fire.
Speaker 1:Shout out to Oregon, shout out to the Pacific Northwest. Um, yeah, so I grew up. So it's like a little suburb, it's called Lake Oswego and I grew up pretty much just like sitting in my bedroom listening to everything I could find. I would have like considered myself kind of a loner, definitely an outcast, and fell into hip hop really young and just fell in love with the lyricism and the confidence that it gave me and the power it made me feel.
Speaker 2:What was the introduction? Album or song, or song it was.
Speaker 1:So it was my older brother put me on to. Uh, it was really like Lupe Fiasco. He played the cool for me, great one yeah that's definitely one of my desert island albums.
Speaker 1:Uh, lupe was a big influence for me, um. So yeah, I grew up listening to a lot of Lupe, a lot of Jay-Z, a lot of Lil Wayne, 50 Centem, this like early 2000s, 2006, 2007. And that kind of you know sent me off into what eventually became Kendrick and J Cole and Drake and, like you know, when Chance was dropping acid rap like blog era stuff. So, yeah, I really would have considered myself just like a lone wolf, student of the game, sitting in my bedroom with my Bluebird mic and my Scarlett interface. Just like writing lyrics, like competing in YouTube. Ciphers going down to LA, do ciphers? Yeah, just like writing my ass off.
Speaker 2:Love it, love it, love it, love it. I always judge people based off like their top five.
Speaker 1:Yeah, who do you listen?
Speaker 2:to it? Lets me know, like, love it, love it. I always judge people based off their top five. I'm like who do you listen to it? Lets me know, all right, if I can really connect with you or not? Yeah, that's big.
Speaker 1:That.
Speaker 2:I'm like, okay, your introduction was Lupe, shout out to your big brother.
Speaker 1:Shout out to my big brother. Yeah, shout out to Gunnar.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he was fire.
Speaker 2:So okay. So you grew up, fell in love with it, started studying it and then what got you into like these competitions and stuff like that? Because you've seen the game change yeah, you know every step of the way, 100%.
Speaker 1:It's interesting because, like in the underground, when I was doing all these cyphers and stuff, this was like man, I probably started 2010, 2011, 2012 and you know when, when the ghosts of my generation were just starting to come up. So there's been a huge shift, and not only like my perspective, but I think the way that, especially like mainstream hip hop, has been perceived in the underground and like I remember when I was first coming up, I would not listen to Drake. It was like because he was singing and like in the underground, it was like this isn't hip hop, what is this? And now Drake's one of my favorite artists, you know.
Speaker 1:So I've definitely seen things transform and doing the Cyphers, I think it just gave me a good feel for like crowd reaction and I think something I pride myself on as a lyricist is like being able to make people, like you know, give a little bit of a stank face, like, oh, that was kind of crazy. It's because that was something. It's. That's a harder thing to get live, you know. So when you're up on a stage and you're feeling that pressure and there's lights on you, you want to get people to react somehow. So that's really how I like started crafting my pen and got used to, like you know, controlling moving the crowd.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the crowd talk to me about being not only a woman in the space, but a white woman in the space, because hip-hop is definitely predominantly black, yeah, or people of color in general. Yeah, so you have not one, but two kind of chips on your shoulder, yeah, yeah yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 1:I could, I could talk about it all day, I could write a whole thesis about it, but, um, I think, at the end of the day, people like, especially within hip-hop, like, they appreciate realness, they appreciate authenticity and, uh, if you, if you, if you're a phony, people will know. Yeah, like I think, for for people, what's been able to make them accept me? Is this clear that I really, like put in my 10,000 hours and I show up as I am and I and I do what I do and I'm good. You know I'm dope. So I think people have fucked with it. I think it's, I think it's been working, but but it's, it's unique, it's different. I think you know pros and cons to everything. Like, I think one of the biggest pros is that it's easy for me to get attention. Yeah, I stand out. You know people remember me because it's unique, it's different, it's weird. So that's been a big positive. Help me kind of go viral.
Speaker 1:I think people see me and don't expect me to be able to do what I do, yeah, and don't expect me to be able to do what I do To spit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So you know, but there's things within that like it can feel weird to see some of my peers who are like equally as dope and rapping as hard as me. That will not see the same level of virality that I'll see. So you know, there's a bit of a weight that comes with that of just like knowing the privilege and the presence that I take up in the game. I'm also not somebody who like wants a lot of attention. So for me it's like I'm just kind of kind of do what I do and I love rapping, so I'm trying to make that happen. But at the end of the day I'm not trying to like get everybody's attention and be like look at me, look what I can do. Yeah, I just really love it.
Speaker 2:Your selling point is not that you're white, it's the talent. It it's the art, correct, yeah, yeah, yeah, fortunately, we just live in a world where people don't be caring about the art. That is correct. But from one hip hop lover to another, I feel like if people show respect, it's only just right in return to show the same respect. So, yeah, it makes me happy. Oh, yeah, but okay, but okay. So, um, you grew up doing battle rap. You fell in love with hip-hop at a young age. Now here we are, fast forward. You just dropped a new record, yeah, called the dog in me dog in me, and in it you're saying how we are the trophy. Yeah, now that you talk about being bold, I feel like that is bold right now, because, oh, it's almost like men on the podcast when they say they're the prize.
Speaker 2:You're so not but that's why I was like yo, period, we need this record. But talk to me like, what were you going through? What was the inspiration behind Dog and Me?
Speaker 1:oh, dog and Me is a fun one. That's a good one to just jump right into, um. So I first started writing Dog and Me almost two years ago. Like a year and a half ago, I wrote that first verse.
Speaker 2:Is this a follow up to?
Speaker 1:John. Morant, john Morant type shit it is, it's gonna be like um slow key what it's given yeah, so we're gonna put. So I have the follow up EP to some like a hot coming out okay and then we're gonna put them together and it's gonna be like a full album got it so in the sequencing things like that will kind of be revealed, cause it sounds like you just keep upping the anti-women record so okay, that's hilarious, um, yeah.
Speaker 1:so Dog In Me is like. To me it's kind of like the lone wolf anthem. It's navigating, like being like a hot, badass woman, but also like in the rap game, and I've definitely had somewhat of like a glow-up transformation in the last couple years. I saw a lot of dudes who I was like really cool with, like a glow up transformation in the last couple of years. I saw a lot of dudes who I was like really cool with like suddenly switch up on me and just like want to get with me and not supporting the music anymore. So Dog and Me is really about that.
Speaker 1:It's like it's navigating, kind of both at the same time and seeing like I'm sure you've experienced this as well but like we lose opportunities because we're uncomfortable, putting ourself in a situation, um, that then you see, your male peers go get that. You're like, oh damn, like that could have been me, but I wasn't willing to do A, b and C, which, by the way, the men don't have to do A, b and C, they just want you to do A, b and C because you're pretty. It's just like wait, yeah. So it's that, it's that, and it's that, it's that and it's yeah, it's like vengeance, it's like, let me, let me like pop my shit a little bit, like I know I'm that bitch and I don't, I don't need any of this, like I'm going where I'm going. So, whether or not you guys are gonna, you know, support or not, support or not, like I'm going yeah, yeah, let's.
Speaker 2:Let's just elaborate a bit on that, just because for other women who are in the industry and kind of dealing with the same things, it doesn't just happen in hip-hop, it happens across the board in any job force. You're a pre-woman and you're attracting attention.
Speaker 2:There's at some point where the the it go from little sister to you're a grown woman and now they want yeah, so, um, let's just elaborate on that and how, like I guess the steps and levels you went through to be confident now in your womanhood and being like you know what I'm OK with standing on business and not, you know, doing the dance, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's taken a long time and I think it's still something that I'm like, you know, as a constant ebb and flow, like even within my city, you know, in Portland, like there's a lot, a lot of opportunities that have presented themselves to me and there's people I just won't align with anymore because it's like they've made me too uncomfortable and I'm not willing to like bend my morals and like how am I going to show up for people if I'm not showing up for myself? So it's also just like I think you, you know, treat people how to treat you. It's like I want to. I want to feel powerful, I want to feel confident. It's like I don't want to attract people who think that they can fuck with that. I don't want to be attracting people who think that they can, like you know, burst into my bubble or think they can get something from me that they can't get. So I just try to walk with an air of like it ain't that yeah, it ain't.
Speaker 2:But even when you do that, it don't work.
Speaker 1:No, Maybe you just leave them on, read and eventually.
Speaker 2:Some of them are dumb, possibly a little circle back, or possibly it's yeah, it's giving ghetto. Man, we're here, what can we do? But I'm proud of you and I love to see it, just because I feel like it's so easy to like, play into, like, I feel like you do a good balance of like being sexualized, like sexualizing yourself, but not just like hey, I'm owning it. Yeah, it's not like you're not on sale. Yeah, so I like the balance. But just talk to me about like how you maintain both respect and still your femininity without yeah, I guess.
Speaker 1:I guess it just really comes from confidence, like I think I very much know what I want and I know, um, the artist I want to be and the person I am. So it's like being able to, you know, kind of blend those things in a way that makes me feel comfortable, like I do want to be. You know, um, I want to be someone that, like, girls are looking up to and men are looking up to, and I want to be able to have like both genders fucking with me, which is like pretty hard to do as a girl, especially as a rapper but what is your demo looking like?
Speaker 2:is it mostly men or is it mostly women? On which platform, though? Oh it?
Speaker 1:varies. Yeah, instagram, instagram is like 75 percent men. Yeah, okay, okay, but my, my streams are like 50 50.
Speaker 1:Okay, that's good, which is huge for me because, like it used to be way more men because I was rapping like on some mc shit, and like women like they love that shit, but they're not listening to it quite as much. Why is that? I, you know, I don't know. I don't know if it's because it doesn't make them like feel like a bad bitch, which I can definitely relate to, um, but it's like, yeah, I think it's a lot of it's not super relatable for us, like interesting I don't know.
Speaker 2:I've been trying to figure that out actually for a while now because, like at parties, when I'm djing, I love to spin rap. But I realized like, oh, the women don't, they're not gonna dance to this, okay, yeah pivot to like some r&b, but that's interesting.
Speaker 1:But at least the streams are 50 50, that's good, yeah, well it's tough to find that balance because, like, like I said, I'm an mc, I'm trying to be lyrical but also, like there's, you have to be able to find a balance between, like appealing to your female fan base and I don't really try to appeal to my male fan base. They just kind of, they just love me, they just kind of yeah, but you know, incorporating melodies and stuff, like I did on Dog and Me and just like I think something I'm getting into more that I wasn't when I first started putting out music was like telling stories of relationships and like being vulnerable. I'm not just like rapping about rapping. So I think that kind of stuff, especially with this huge influx of like super fire, fire female rappers, like it's opened up so many doors for artists like myself to be able to like come in and fill a lane of like talking about relationship shit from a woman's perspective, like on modern beats and also on like some dusty shit, like dusty shit's coming back. People love that.
Speaker 1:So, I think, yeah, it's been interesting seeing the split kind of change.
Speaker 2:Talk to me about you tapping more into your melodic bags. I did notice that also. What shifted the? The push?
Speaker 1:yeah, I always love to be melodic, but I think it just took me a while to find the confidence. Um, because people know me and love me as a rapper and like a hard-ass rapper, so melodies typically obviously pretty soft. Um, but I had that line I might fuck one of his dogs. I got that dog in me, I put it in my notes app and then we put on this beat, shout out to uh, aza Zarrell who produced it, and we opened up the beat and the first thing I said was I might fuck one of his dogs. I got that dog in me and I was, and I had auto-tune on it and I was like now I gotta sing on this, on it.
Speaker 1:Now, it's just that's what it's got to be and it was so fire that I had to lean into it. And you know, historically, like because I've put out melodic stuff in the past, I have a lot more melodic stuff in the tuck that I haven't released. So it's fun for me to put stuff like that out and have it received so well and have people fuck with it. It and have people fuck with it just gives me kind of more confidence and like growing into my voice too hearing the crowd chant that back once you start doing shows is going to be crazy.
Speaker 2:Hands up, I'm like fuck women's socks. It's going to be so fire your men are going to cry, they should. That's how y'all need to feel, because I'm tired of all this future shit.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. I'm gonna bring the balance, though, because I'm not toxic anymore, but it don't seem like it.
Speaker 2:What do you mean anymore? What did you say? This?
Speaker 1:is two. You wrote this two years ago, I mean, I finished it not that long ago okay, but you know, it seems like you're still here a bag I can get into.
Speaker 2:It's okay.
Speaker 1:If you're in your time, I can still get into that bag, but it's not where I am emotionally.
Speaker 2:Okay, I respect it. I respect it, but you were there, so you can still be triggered 100%.
Speaker 1:Okay, got you.
Speaker 2:All right. So what bag are you in right now? Like what era In my life.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm definitely. Oh, this is tough. I'm definitely. Oh, this is tough. I'm, I'm, I'm in my, uh, I'm in my unbothered kind of like no, I wouldn't call it like soft girl, but just kind of like it is what it is. I'm not. I'm not going out of my way to impress anybody. I may show up to shoots with no makeup on, like fuck it. I'm in a very happy, healthy relationship, so I'm in a good point in my life.
Speaker 2:I love it, which is funny because I'm rolling out this project, this fucking project, yeah, yeah. Well, you know what I feel like? It sounds like you've healed and you're just you know we're all constantly healing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're all constantly healing.
Speaker 2:We're all constantly healing. Hey, I love that. I love it for you. Okay, so you're in your healed era, but you still got to just let niggas know not to fuck with you. That's where we're at.
Speaker 1:Because they'll still try, Like even knowing where I'm at, they don't stop. Sometimes they just don't take a hint.
Speaker 2:Has your or the? The records have been around, especially like john moran. Has anybody reached out and been like yo? Is this about me?
Speaker 1:yes, not like about me, but inquiring especially about john moran. People were definitely inquiring like what's that about? You know?
Speaker 2:have you addressed it publicly? Yeah, no, definitely not well, definitely the listeners want to know no, no, I can't say shit all right, all right, okay, um, it's old stuff. Anyway, it's old stuff all right, so back to the news we got rug burn.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, rug burn's fire yes, uh, talk to me about the inspiration behind that record yeah, rug burn is like the first two to three weeks after a breakup, and it's like the, the feeling is like he fucked up, so you're pissed, but you still kind of miss him and you're like, damn, should I like, should I text him, or should I like be that bitch and just move on? And it's like, though, it's like what do you do? It's like, suddenly, you have all this time on your hands. You don't have someone you're texting all day. It's like you have all this space that you gotta fill and you gotta learn how to fill that space. So so you're going through like different phases of like okay, am, am I? Am I filling this space with, like, working on myself? Am I filling the space with, like, going to the bars and fucking somebody else? Like, how am I filling the space? And what I like about rug burn is it's like the verses are what you what you want to hear, and the hook is what you need to hear.
Speaker 1:And my dad gave me some really good advice a long time ago that took me a while to listen to. So, girls, listen to it now. You don't want someone coming up to you who's like overconfident because they're not for you, they're not going to get like why? Why are you approaching me with so much confidence that you're going to bag me? I don't like that, and you don't want someone who's insecure because they're not going to be able to keep up with you. You don't want someone who's constantly trying to dim your light or feel threatened by it. You want someone who's like a little cautious like, damn like.
Speaker 1:I want to holler at her, but like she's, you know she's fire, so like, just like, humble yourself a little bit. So that's that's. Uh, that's something that took me a while to listen to, but when you notice it you're like oh, yeah, right, I shouldn't have been letting you fuck with me. Um, that's actually great advice it was great advice, shout out to your pop.
Speaker 2:Shout out to my dad you got a good minute in your life?
Speaker 1:yeah, I do, I really do um and yeah, and then just the girl get up part, like I feel like it's. It's a nice kind of like leveling the playing field of like you know, like come on girl, like let's get up. We can do this, like we can, we can get through this. Time's gonna pass, it's gonna be fine. It's like the breakup song I wish that I had when I was going through it.
Speaker 2:I love that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's actually really really beautiful and poetic, honestly because we all go through it at some point yeah it's relatable um talk to me just about like your journey and becoming more transparent and open with like things that you're actually feeling in real time, you know I think honestly that I I can only like credit my influences, my favorite artists, because all the artists that I, that I love and like, would die by like I love these fucking. They're all vulnerable in their music. They're all growing openly and honestly constantly in front of their audience, and that's how we get better as people. You know, it's like talking about shit, communicating, talking about what we're going through, putting ourselves out there, and that's what I want to be. You know. That's who I want to be in my artist. That's who I am in my real life. I talk about everything I'm going through, like constantly shout out to my friends and shout out to my people who listen to me all the time.
Speaker 1:Talk about it, because I really feel like that's how we get better and how we build like strong human connection, yeah, and heal through it I just, yeah, I don't want to make like mind-numbing music, like sometimes that's great and sometimes I'm gonna make it, because sometimes you just need to fuck it, we ball. But also, like I want, I want my music to make people think. I want them to feel connected to it. I want them to grow with it, grow through it.
Speaker 2:Speaking of your favorite rappers some of my favorite rappers as well Rap has been seeing an interesting turn this year with the chain of events that have happened. I just want to know your opinion on the whole Kendrick Drake, cole, big 3 situation.
Speaker 1:Do you still feel like it's a?
Speaker 2:Big 3?. Do you feel like you know what Kendrick really did? Come in and just say, fuck that shit, it's a wrap for that.
Speaker 1:When we say Big 3, it really just means, like you know, the biggest three rappers, yeah, but they're all so different. They are Not really comparable on like an art level, not that you know one is particularly better than the others, but they're just different. They do different things.
Speaker 2:When's that fucking up her features?
Speaker 1:I'm not, and you know, I think Cole made a good move. I think Cole made a great move.
Speaker 2:I think Cole made a good move. I think Cole made a great move.
Speaker 1:I think Cole made a good move. I think you know Kendrick bodied that. It's not even close. Not even close, it's not even close. I'm a Drake fan. You know this was a bloodbath, but I'm a Drake fan and you know he's smart, he's smart. He's been in deep water before. Yeah, I'm curious to see how he comes out of it. Um same, I definitely, like you know, have my thoughts about, about his career and his trajectory as like a human being, but you know, we can only know so much as like outsiders and as fans.
Speaker 2:so I feel like that too, like I didn't want to take a, uh, a hard stance, like a permanent I guess for life stance, because I'm like uh, they're human at the end of the day and I feel like we don't really know the ins and outs of like everything that's going on, yeah, but I agree with you, kendrick, definitely undeniable smoke, that shit.
Speaker 2:And secondly, I totally agreed with like to like your point and like your evolution and just being transparent, vulnerable, yeah, and then sharing that with the audience. I feel like, even though drake is still transparent, he's still transparent with the same problems he's had since he was 18.
Speaker 1:It's like are we still crying about bitches for the fifth album.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying. Yeah, so that's my, that is my complaint, so that's why I was happy kendrick brought that up like, and that's what I love about Kendrick.
Speaker 1:Kendrick's one of my. He's like my goat, like all time, and that's what I love about him is like you watch Kendrick fail publicly. He's putting himself out there to do that, whereas, like Drake is precious with that. He doesn't want to. He doesn't want people to see him fail. And so that's what I really appreciate about Kendrick is like, that's human you, and so that's what I really appreciate about Kendrick is like that's human, you're not, you're not trying to put yourself on a pedestal.
Speaker 1:You're not trying to. I'm not your savior. Like I'm out here, I'll break down all my shit on my album because I want people to be better and I think, in order for people to be better, this is the kind of shit they have to hear.
Speaker 2:So yeah.
Speaker 1:I think it's dope how Kendrick played it. You know he he eight-miled himself before yeah.
Speaker 2:So it's like there's not much you can say after that. That's actually a good point. I don't even think people realize that that's what he was doing in the tape yeah, people do like I don't want to hear that shit when instead of realizing how it's and I think you know when mr morale came out, people had their feelings and whatever.
Speaker 1:But I think when we look back on it we're going to remember the beef that followed. Yeah, and it's gonna be looked at as way more of a classic album because of what he did right after it.
Speaker 2:Yeah no, timeless, 100% agreed. And I also feel like it's going to put like rappers who rap back into like, like people are now listening to lyrics and like rapping along in the party, so like this is what I'm excited about, just for, like the new class of rappers that's coming up right now. So me too, me too, good stuff, good stuff, all right. And then, um, before we pivot into this game, my last question is just like talk to me about some of the cosigns you have got in this game that have like helped to propel you, because I know you've been with some of my favorites, like earth gang also, down to always being championed by my brother, rob markman. So just talk to me about getting those co-signs yeah, um.
Speaker 1:Yeah, man, there's been a lot. It's uh, it's really been cool to see, because I never, like you know, going back to the white female thing, like I never expect anybody to fuck with me because, like I can totally understand, someone might see me and be like, oh, I'm gonna like hold off on this, um. So I always really appreciate it when people reach out and say some and say kind words. But people like Missy Elliott, um, anderson Pack, vince Staples, just like my reel this morning, so that was exciting. Bye, um. Yeah, I mean I have to give a special shout out to Rob Markman, um, who is a legend in the game but has really, you know, taken me under his wing and and helped me kind of build and grow and and just like, believe to me, you know things like that. So, but should there's been? There's been so many I can't remember. Yeah, you know there's a bunch, yeah.
Speaker 2:Love it. We need collabs. Yes, we need collabs, all right. So all we need to talk, talk. We play this game called questions that need answers. It's just so people can get to know you. Okay, a little deeper. Okay, all right. First one is the older I get, the less I want to be seen by anybody that does not work in your career. Where are you saying isn't that terrible?
Speaker 1:yeah, I feel like it's. It's allowed me to grow as a human because one of my biggest fears is like being on camera and I have a lot of social anxiety. So it's forcing me to confront my fears because I gotta be out here first of all, what that doesn't even sound like it makes any sense.
Speaker 2:Bitch, I've seen your music videos. You're shy, you don't like being on camera. It it's real.
Speaker 1:How stressed am I on video shoots? Really yes, wow.
Speaker 2:But I'm a performer. Okay, yeah, I'm going to do it.
Speaker 1:That's why I'm just confused. Because you look worse if you look shy True.
Speaker 2:You don't belong.
Speaker 1:Do more than you think you have to, because it'll look good, alright.
Speaker 2:I like it. Okay, that's another gym you just dropped right, I got tips and tips for the for the social anxious fatties.
Speaker 1:Wait, what's your sign?
Speaker 2:I'm a tourist tourist, okay, okay, hmm, tourist gang. Yeah, I don't know tourists to be shy, what? I don't believe you honestly, but I'm real your team agrees, so I'll leave it alone. All right? You would never believe me if I told you.
Speaker 1:I'm a natural history nerd. Natural history, yeah, like the earth and like Exactly Really. Yeah, particularly like megafauna and dinosaurs. Love that shit. What Layers of the earth Love it?
Speaker 2:Are you a? What is it? The inner earth theory?
Speaker 1:No no flat earther.
Speaker 2:Oh, none of those okay opposite opposite.
Speaker 1:Opposite like I really I like to think I know like what's up with the earth and like I read a lot of natural history books, a lot of science books, non-fiction, like educating myself on like the history of our planet. So wait, before you're gonna be a rapper, what was your plan? I was always gonna be a rapper okay, but this is just a when I'm 50, I hope to have like a room of like fossils I've collected.
Speaker 2:Wow, like on display, interesting where the fuck did you pick up this? And, and since you do study the earth, where are we headed? Because I'm concerned. Where you should be, we're, we're fucked, we're so fucked. Well, how long you thought, like in my lifetime or like the next life? No, next lifetime but it's.
Speaker 1:But it's not gonna be pleasant for you what do you mean for us?
Speaker 2:don't say it like that. We're the same age. She's like no, it's not gonna be good, like it's all fucked up here it is, it's not going to be good. Like it's all fucked up. Here it is, it's fucked up, it's bad. Is there any saving it? Like, say, I started doing like recycling today, is it?
Speaker 1:just you. I mean everything's helpful, you know, but it would take some massive changes.
Speaker 2:I thought they said during the pandemic that we like saved 10 years on the planet. Do you know how short 10 years is? All right, you know.
Speaker 1:I'm moving on to the next question before you humans have only existed for like the blink of an eye in the history of time, like it's that short and we've already fucked it up okay, okay.
Speaker 2:And where do you find the time to learn this? I'm just, I read, all right, I love to read, interested, oh my god, you know what the fuck do they be doing in oregon? You're the first person I've met that's what it is. Yeah, I'm in oregon, that's what it is. Yeah, I can't believe I actually blanked when I was younger one time I threw ice at people from a six-story window that is just petty.
Speaker 1:I was like 10, was it hot? It was hot, but we were. It was inside. Hard to explain soft ice or the hard, hard ice damn. Yeah, me and my cousin. We just we were trying to hit yo.
Speaker 2:Police showed up at our door like no, have you been throwing ice?
Speaker 1:out this window and we were like no but wait, so all right what kind of kid were you?
Speaker 2:troublesome kid. What were we doing? Were you a troublesome kid? You play sports.
Speaker 1:I was a troublesome kid, yeah, really. Yeah, I was the biggest pain and pain in the ass of my parents, but I grew up to be so chill I guess you just had to get it out of your system.
Speaker 2:I had to get out of my system.
Speaker 1:I was creative, I was trying to draw, I had to do fashion shows. They put me asleep in some pajamas. I tried five or six different ones on. Then the next morning they'd see me in something totally else that I'd created that's cute.
Speaker 2:I love that thanks they didn't, I'm sure that they miss it now. I'm sure they probably do. Yeah, um, okay, I'm a little embarrassed by the fact that I know so little about shit most things I guess she said every day, every day.
Speaker 1:I'm embarrassed how little I know I feel it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, sometimes I look back at my life and trip it's been so fire, it's been fire.
Speaker 1:I love my life mushroom trip or sober trip, sober trip.
Speaker 2:Okay, hey, just gotta ask um from time to time.
Speaker 1:It's good to uh, turn your phone off, get the fuck out of the way. Float down a river. Huh, you ever float down a river.
Speaker 2:Yo what the fuck is going on in Oregon. This is how I know. This is how I know You're my first friend from Oregon.
Speaker 1:This is how I know I'm floating down the river when I get back on Saturday. You get a little tube, you get a little drink, you like that?
Speaker 2:actually sounds like a vibe. I'm not going to lie.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Float down a river, it's fire. So do you end up lost or you know where you're going? No, you know where you're going Okay yeah, is it a circle?
Speaker 1:No, no, no, you, just you get out. There's like, there's places you know where you can enter and load out. Yeah, I might have.
Speaker 2:It's fire. She's like, yeah, I was with you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, do this Do that Plugged on a river. Look, I can convince you, it's fire.
Speaker 2:Hey, I'm not opposed to it. All right, I made a complete fool of myself when I I always play that game odds.
Speaker 1:You ever played odds? Mm-mm, it's like bet somebody to do something. I end up getting fucked and I have to do it. So I make fun of myself every time I play odds. I've had to like drink salsa, like out of the saucer, like eat leaves, get in pools my clothes on. I've had a good rest you should definitely stop playing.
Speaker 2:I should stop.
Speaker 1:That's what you would think, but I love a little game that's funny oh my god. Okay, let's play it now, okay, all you take two of those pretzel sticks and stick them in your cheeks like a walrus for the rest of the show. How do I not do it? Okay? So you have to pick a number of like how bad you wouldn't want to do it.
Speaker 1:So if you really didn't want to do it, you'd say like 50 or 70, okay but, if you didn't care, you might say 5 or 10 and then we'll count down and you and I will say a number between 1 and whatever number you picked. So if you said 10, the odds are pretty high because we only have 10 numbers to choose from.
Speaker 2:But you said 50, the odds get much lower do I have to tell the number to a third party?
Speaker 1:no, no, but then we count down and we say the number at the same time I think I'm a little lost, but I'm okay, so pick a number like how bad do you?
Speaker 2:not want to do it 100 okay, that's pretty high okay, that's not very fun, okay.
Speaker 1:50 50, that's good, okay, so then pick a number between 1 and 50.
Speaker 2:Fuck and then wait. How am I gonna do these pretzels in case I lose? Uh?
Speaker 1:30 seconds. That's not that. How about we just take the picture at the end with the walrus pretzels?
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah, that's what you want. That's how you want to do it Over the video yeah, I'd feel better than that, okay, okay, all right, I got my number.
Speaker 1:Okay, mommy, count down from three, three, two, one, 17.
Speaker 2:17.
Speaker 1:Ooh, that was close. Okay see, nothing happens, nothing happens. But if we both would have said 15, you would have had to do it, but you picked 50, so it was unlikely.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, oh, I thought you. Yeah, I was like in the thumbnail wait. So if I would have said 17, I would have had to put the yes, this is a terrible game. It's the best game. Why do you play?
Speaker 1:this because it's you, it's like dares, it's like it's funny and sometimes it's like you know you take it's a drinking game, you take shots, you get she's shots. She's in now. She's in now, later at the party.
Speaker 2:She's looking over like is there a liquor here? I don't have any right now, but okay, the last question is my personality trait is blank.
Speaker 1:Pretty mellow. Pretty mellow, I say chill, cool, yeah, chill, cool, cool, cool, okay, pretty mellow, I think chill cool.
Speaker 2:Yeah, chill, cool, cool, cool.
Speaker 1:Um, okay, so thank you for coming on the podcast hell yeah, thanks for having me when is the tape dropping we haven't announced the date yet we haven't announced it yet no but it's on the way, but it's coming and this is the sequel we still sitting on these. This is the sequel. Yeah, well, this is is like the other perspective oh okay, yeah, but yeah, we'll get that. Yeah, all right and but new music on the way, music's on the way, new music's out yes, music is already out yeah that's the one that really yeah for me.
Speaker 2:Put me on to win that shit is fire yeah yeah and uh, shout out your grandma.
Speaker 1:Everybody know where they can follow you uh, you can follow me on Instagram at S I N A W Y N N E Sina Nguyen.
Speaker 2:Sina Nguyen yeah, new music on the way. Talk soon, guys. Peace.