Ever wondered how a three-year-old could possibly communicate with someone unseen by anyone else? As we journey through life, Nat and I share a moment of our lives that led us to contemplate the concept of souls and their journey post death. This episode is a profound dialogue about the inevitable, yet often avoided topic, death - its perception, its impact and how embracing it can transform your life.
We probe the power of the soul, its transcendence beyond death, and how we can celebrate life even amidst the pain of loss. We also broach the subject of grief - a challenging process where love, support, and open conversation become crucial. The beauty of this episode lies in the hope it sparks, the comfort it offers, and the conversations it can initiate about death. It's about living, loving, and honoring the departed, reminding ourselves that life is indeed a journey of the soul. Let's embark on this journey together.
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Feel free to contact us with any questions/comments you may have about this episode via email at Joe@thelovementors.com or Natalie@thelovementors.com.
You can also send us a DM and follow us on Instagram @the.lovementors or reach out in our Facebook Group - Manifesting Love in Midlife. We can also be found on YouTube - @JoeandNat.
We always love to hear from you! Be Blessed!
Ever wondered how a three-year-old could possibly communicate with someone unseen by anyone else? As we journey through life, Nat and I share a moment of our lives that led us to contemplate the concept of souls and their journey post death. This episode is a profound dialogue about the inevitable, yet often avoided topic, death - its perception, its impact and how embracing it can transform your life.
We probe the power of the soul, its transcendence beyond death, and how we can celebrate life even amidst the pain of loss. We also broach the subject of grief - a challenging process where love, support, and open conversation become crucial. The beauty of this episode lies in the hope it sparks, the comfort it offers, and the conversations it can initiate about death. It's about living, loving, and honoring the departed, reminding ourselves that life is indeed a journey of the soul. Let's embark on this journey together.
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Feel free to contact us with any questions/comments you may have about this episode via email at Joe@thelovementors.com or Natalie@thelovementors.com.
You can also send us a DM and follow us on Instagram @the.lovementors or reach out in our Facebook Group - Manifesting Love in Midlife. We can also be found on YouTube - @JoeandNat.
We always love to hear from you! Be Blessed!
This is Joe.
Speaker 2:And this is Nat and you're listening to the Getting Better With Age podcast to show that it helps you navigate midlife challenges and turn them into opportunities to grow and evolve into a happier, healthier and more empowered you.
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Speaker 1:Hey everyone, it's Joe and it's Nat. Welcome back to another episode of Getting Better With Age. What's up, wipey?
Speaker 2:Oh, nothing much. I'm a bit tired today.
Speaker 1:Yeah, why are you tired?
Speaker 2:Busy busy day yesterday Very busy day.
Speaker 1:It's funny, based on the topic we're going to talk about today, it's like that's kind of how I feel because, yeah, we had a wonderful night with some friends over at a little barbecue and doing all those summer things which we love to do, but today we're going to talk about something which is very important at that midlife part of the journey. It's something that we all have to deal with. It's inevitable. It's a topic that I find that very often people don't want to talk about and will avoid talking about because I think it's very uncomfortable. It brings up a lot of stuff for people.
Speaker 2:A lot of stuff doesn't look a lot of fear around it.
Speaker 1:And that's exactly why we're doing it, because this is Armado, this is how we live. It's all about. Let's have these tough conversations, let's talk about it, let's get to the truth and understand how things really are, because I believe in this universe. When we understand how things really are and see them through the eyes of the divine, we realize that it's all just part of the journey and it's something that we're all going to go through. So what are we talking about today?
Speaker 2:Today we're going to talk about death.
Speaker 1:Now we're going to talk about primarily losing loved ones and we're ultimately going to talk about our deaths, because I know there are some people out there. It amazes me. I don't want to even think about dying. I'm like we're all going to die.
Speaker 2:It's going to happen.
Speaker 1:There hasn't been a person who's been born into this world that hasn't made their transition at some point. I think the goal is ultimately to make that transition at a happier, longer period in life, and I think that's one of the reasons why we start. We decided to do this because recently I just actually saw a post. Today somebody on Facebook posted about they lost their son. It was the anniversary of their son's death five years ago. I think losing a child is probably the worst thing a person can go through on the face of this earth Especially.
Speaker 2:yeah, of course.
Speaker 1:There's that natural order of things. I saw it when my dad passed away. My grandma was this old-fashioned Italian woman and her family was everything, and to see the heartbreak that she went through to lose her son, she must have been. My dad was 45, so she was probably in her mid-60s, maybe early 70s. It ruined her for the rest of her life. She wore black. She lived 20 years longer.
Speaker 2:That's what the Italians always do.
Speaker 1:She still wore black and she mourned and every time she'd see me she would cry because I looked a lot like my dad and she just never got over it. It literally broke her heart. We understand that. But we're here to talk about today is maybe this death thing isn't really such a bad thing after all.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, here's the thing. We're in midlife now. This is when you see more of it happening. You're losing parents, aunts, uncles, family members who are in that stage of their life. It could be a difficult time for many of us. I know two years ago I lost my mom. It's not an easy thing, but I think it's something that we all have to deal with and embrace, because it happens.
Speaker 1:Right. So I think that's why is. If it's a natural process of life, why is it a difficult thing to talk about?
Speaker 2:Because it's, it's more, I think, the the unknown and the uncertainty of it. I think you know people. You don't know what's going to happen when you die. Some people think you're just done, that's it, You're in the ground, it's over. Some people think there's more to it. You know there's an energy inside your body. That energy has to go somewhere.
Speaker 1:Where does it go? And that's the point of the question is because we don't really like dive into and go, okay. Why is it uncomfortable? Why is it that we don't? Because I think you know most of us, this is what I believe. I think most of us look at death in a selfish way, like this person left me, they're no longer going to be here. I don't, I no longer have them to talk to, to communicate, to go out with, and I think, when we look at it that way as this person is being, this identity that has been in our life is no longer here, and you know, to be honest, that's kind of a selfish way of looking at it I think then it becomes depressing, demoralizing, sad, all of that. And I know, you know, I lost a friend of mine, I guess probably about two years ago.
Speaker 2:Oh, no longer than now, before COVID. So that's been three years. It's been that one.
Speaker 1:probably about five, six years ago I had a good friend of mine who was going through cancer. Now, unfortunately, I've been through the cancer journey, you know, many times in my life with people that I'd love. I've left my dad, I've left my uncle another family member had it, so it's something that I'm very familiar with. A good friend of mine His, his dad was like my, my second father, you know. He passed. So it's a disease I'm very, very familiar with. But when I was with my friend and I saw how everybody was reacting around him, like through that selfish like oh, you're going to get better, it'll be okay.
Speaker 1:Just stay, you know, faithful. You know, just have faith, go to. He went to Spain like trying everything not to die, and he also got to a point where he was like I can't go on living like this. He's like I have no quality of life, I'm in pain all the time. He's like I'm wasting away and I would just got to be with him and just kind of love him and support him on it. And it was a beautiful experience and when he made his transition he was ready to go.
Speaker 1:And I think you know kind of you're talking about is that when we look at it through those filters and not knowing, without really exploring it, that's when we get into our heads and we overthink, we overanalyze everything, and I think that's when death can be a sad and depressing thing Instead of a natural part of life that we have to embrace. Especially if you're at this midpoint journey. Right, you're in midlife, like you say, you're going to start losing friends. You're going to start losing family members, your parents are going to start losing their friends. That's going to affect them. So, like there's a wake of death that happens, there's a wake that death often leaves in people's lives and I think if people don't see it for what it is and don't have the emotional tools to deal with it, it can wreak havoc in their life and the relationship.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think that's the thing is having you just said it having the emotional tools to deal with it. You know, I have a family member close family member who lost her mother and father, but they were both in their mid 90s. They lived long, happy lives, yet she's still, to this day I'm talking 10 years now, you know crying, miss my parents. Why did they have to die? And she's blaming this one, this doctor did this and this doctor did this, you know, and doesn't want to deal with it and cope with the fact that they're gone and they're not around her anymore.
Speaker 1:And you know, as you were saying, that you know those certain words, like in my brain, go ooh, the follow up. So it's like they're gone, and I think that's what you know, most would believe. As I said earlier, they're not here anymore and they're gone. So let's start a discussion that are they really gone and, if so, where do?
Speaker 2:they go.
Speaker 1:Because I know, growing up Catholic, you breathe. If you're good, right, you follow all the rules and you eat Don't eat meat on Friday Then you're gonna go to heaven, and if not, then you go to hell. Right, and for whatever reason, I never figured this out If you're like in between, you got to go to purgatory, purgatory which is like a holding cell for heaven.
Speaker 2:I guess let's go back and look at things you know you hang out there and like how long?
Speaker 1:how long are you there in purgatory? Is there anything you have to do? Do you have to? You know is like the work release program. Do you got to clean the highways in heaven? I don't know.
Speaker 2:But I think one thing to and somebody said this to me once too our body is energy. Right, there's energy in us, like literally, it's not something that's crazy there's energy. So when your physical body dies, energy doesn't die, right? It just changes forms, right? So it's got to go somewhere, right?
Speaker 1:Yeah, because energy can't be destroyed, it can only change forms. So you know, as I know some people, if you practice a religion, they'll talk about your soul, your spirit, right, your chi, and I think that's what we're talking about. Yeah, and I think that your physical body is a container for your soul, for this, for this energy, and so, when your physical body dies, where does that energy go? Does it go to heaven? Does it Because I know, I believe it, it exists, because, as you said, it has to, because it's energy, it just changes form Got to go somewhere, right.
Speaker 1:So I don't think it stops existing, but where does it go? I don't believe personally, in the work that I've done in the research and studying this area, that it goes to like heaven, because I don't believe in a heaven and a hell. I believe there's this parallel universe where everything is in a state of bliss, in a state of unconditional love, which, if you want to term that heaven, Well then, it's not a parallel universe.
Speaker 2:That doesn't parallel this universe. Well, yes, but it's an.
Speaker 1:It's an alternate unit.
Speaker 2:It's an alternate one.
Speaker 1:And you know, you've they've talked about, you know the five dimensions, you know nine dimensions, however many dimensions are, but there's this energetic dimension, where that energy is able to hang out, and what I've learned is that energy can can go back and forth amongst different universes and that's why, you know, very often we can experience things where we can feel the presence of deceased loved ones, or they can give us signs or we can feel their presence. You know, I have a friend who his dad passed and he's like, he's like very every so often he's like I can smell my dad's cologne.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I know that you know that the physical and and essences will come into this universe and still be there. So they know, I don't believe they ever truly leave us. Yes, their physical bodies leave us, but I don't believe their souls leave us.
Speaker 2:Oh, I don't believe that either. Just for just a quick story Many years ago, many years ago, it was Joe's 40th birthday.
Speaker 1:Well, I love this story.
Speaker 2:And we had just had a small party, family party, in the backyard, nothing big, you know, and the party was over. Now Our oldest son was three at the time. Right, yes, he was three, and I'm getting him ready for bed, you know. And he says to me goes, mom, who is that man at the party? I'm like, well, what do you mean? I'm like because he knew everybody. There was my father, my grandfather, joe's stepdad couple, two friends that you know, we know, that he know he's new and we're very familiar with, and my brother, and so it wasn't anybody there that he didn't know. So I said what do you mean? What man at body goes? The other Poppy and I'm going wait a minute my father's Poppy, my grandfather was Papa and Joe's stepdad is pop, pop.
Speaker 1:It's like the Smurfs yeah.
Speaker 2:So that's what he called everybody. So he says the other Poppy. And I'm like, oh, I'm getting the chills now staying it. And I'm like, well, what was he doing? It's like, well, he was talking to daddy. I'm like, what was he wearing? Oh, he was wearing white, the frig. I'm like Joe.
Speaker 1:Right Now. For those of you who don't believe in that school, I respect. But how can a three year old differentiate and see this essence, this energy, and then communicate what he was seeing? Is that a coincidence? Was it a fever Right?
Speaker 2:And understanding now if you haven't caught on yet. The other poppy was Joe's dad, who passed away many, many years ago 1981. I never even met, you know. So I was like, oh my God, and if a couple like I would ask him the same question about it? My son, like even after, and he always had the same story. So it wasn't like he was making things up or anything, like the story stayed consistent.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and again, for those of you who Think, who understand that there is a place where their souls go, whether, again, whatever you want to believe in, that they are always with us and they always. I can't tell you how many people who've lost loved ones I would say they're still around. Their presence will always be you. When my dad died 40 years ago 42 years- ago.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and his presence is still around and he'll communicate. He'll give me signs every now and then, but when somebody always loses a loved one, I tell them look, they're still with you. Their soul will always be with you and they'll let you know in ways that very often, only you will know, and very often it's through weird coincidences, especially electrical activity.
Speaker 1:And I had a good friend of mine and he's very old fashioned Italian, like the mother, is very strict and like they don't believe. You know, it's like what it says in Catholicism says is the rules. And so, after his dad passed, I said, look, trust me, this is what's going to happen. And in the middle of the night, all of a sudden, the train that his father bought his, his, my friend's kids, the train under the Christmas tree.
Speaker 2:Yeah, train on the.
Speaker 1:Christmas tree just went off, like it, like two o'clock in the morning OK, that's not a coincidence. And his mother, he's like I don't, still don't believe it. That's, you know, that's bullshit, it was just a coincidence, electrical surge, or whatever. A couple of weeks later she's sitting in her kitchen and all of a sudden the lights are off in the bathroom and one of the bulbs just burst. And at that point she's like maybe there is something to this. And you know, we've, all you know, heard stories or saw stories like that, and it's true. And but this is what we want to allude to. What, if we can embrace death? It's not something bad, but it's something good as a natural, as a natural transition that we're all going to go through. And those souls are still with us. They're just with us in a different form.
Speaker 2:Right, and and when I hear stories like that and you know that story that literally happened to us, you know with my son, with our son, and it makes you believe that there there's got to be something else out there. And what I believe is and I've always said this, I believe that we life Is too powerful and big of a creation to just end. You know what I mean. Like, I don't believe that it can just end.
Speaker 1:And you know, as you're saying, I think, for people who believe that it's just the easy way and the cop out, so they don't have to really do the work to explore what it really is, Because it's like, oh you know, it just ends You're just returned to dirt, Return, returned to dirt, and that's just the way it is. I'm like OK, but is that really your truth? Like do your work research.
Speaker 2:And it doesn't even have to be based in religion. I mean no, it's just like science. Again energy doesn't die, it just changes form.
Speaker 1:It's just life.
Speaker 2:It's just so, all this energy and just life itself is so great, and so it's just so big and powerful of a creation that, again, I don't believe it can just end.
Speaker 1:And you know, as you're saying that, because I know some people are going to listen to that who may have lost children.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And you know and say, well, why did my you know kid have to die so early? Or why did you know my family member have to die so tragically? Is that? I believe that every soul is on a journey. Yeah, and when they've come to, when they've completed what they've come here for on this journey, that's when it's time for them to make the transition.
Speaker 1:I think when you can see it through, that that makes you feel good, that gives you some peace and that gives you the ability, and not that it's easy at all. I think for most of us, we losing someone. Look, if you have a pet for 20 years, you're going to be sad, you're going to be depressed when you lose that pet. So to have someone in your life that you truly love and that you connect and you spend time with and enjoy, it's going to affect you and I think that's the size of your heart. That's a wonderful thing. But I think it's when we carry all this emotional juice and hold on and don't get to a place of peace and have closure, that's when it could be a very, very difficult thing.
Speaker 2:And I do also believe that when you are at the end of your journey or us, we're going to get the answers to why those things happened. You know, like, why did my I lose my child so young? Why I believe that?
Speaker 1:And so can we get those answers before.
Speaker 2:Possibly.
Speaker 1:I think very often again, if we look for them and open our hearts and truly seek to OK, why did this happen? And go study this. There's so many things out there. Yeah, you know, just go to GOOT GOOTube. Did you hear? Google and YouTube are combining. That's a new company. Now, if you go to YouTube and just put like near death experiences, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:And you just watch some of these. They're all basically the same story. Ok, these people die, they get to this other place and they're such it's just nothing but love and light and peace and joy and they feel such an experience of what true, unconditional love which is, I think, the ultimate form of that energy that they're like they don't want to come back and they're like I don't want to go back.
Speaker 2:I don't want to go back there.
Speaker 1:I want to hang out. I want to hang out here, and that's why I think if we truly understood what was on the other side, when our loved one is transition and we know that they're still going to be around, then we can celebrate, and it's something that I see happening now, which I absolutely love. We know we did it for my aunt. It's a people are doing now a celebration of life versus.
Speaker 1:You know wakes and funerals, and again I respect anybody's right to do what works for them, but I think like awake is like one of those strangest things that we experience.
Speaker 2:It is really weird if you think about it.
Speaker 1:We went to a wake recently and everybody goes in and you pay your spec, you write your name in the book, you walk up, you kneel before the coffin, you say a little prayer, then you go over to the people, you pay your condolences. Then, after that happens, everybody goes into the corner and everybody's hanging out and it turns into like a party with a corpse in the room.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it's like if you took the corpse you think you'd be at a party most of the time, unless it's like one of those really sad, demoralizing ones.
Speaker 2:Right, Like when my mom died right. There was so many people there and everybody was talking about her life and it was like it was a celebration of life. Like nobody was you know. Yes, we were grieving, of course, but it was still like honoring her life.
Speaker 1:And I think that's now having and they did that when my aunt passed about a year and a half ago and it was just beautiful. Everybody went back to the house and it literally was a set of people got up, everybody told stories and they put pictures and everybody celebrated her life. And I think that's really when we understand what a true transition is and like I don't call it, you know, people dying I call it a transition and when we understand a person's, what a person's transition really is, we celebrate their life, their memory, whether they're a wonderful mom or whether wonderful daughter or wonderful aunt, person, friend, whatever it is, and that is so much more uplifting.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:And you know what. It also costs a lot less, oh my.
Speaker 2:God, the cost of funerals. That's insane. That's the business to be in. You never go out of business, literally.
Speaker 1:That's insane. You know, when your dad told me what they paid for you, I was like holy crap.
Speaker 2:It boggles my mind.
Speaker 1:And again it's. You know, that's just people do, what people do.
Speaker 2:But there are some. There's the discount. Crematorium there's the discount crematorium on the highway.
Speaker 1:Roof or a premise in New Jersey. I don't know how it works, but they actually have a storefront where I guess you can go and bypass the funeral paulers and go and get cremated, which?
Speaker 2:is interesting, but it is. It is crazy that the cost but you know anyway, for those of you who are listening.
Speaker 1:You know this was just to open up a dialogue to get you to think, because you know you may be going through that now. You may have lost people that you loved and you may be struggling with it. Or maybe you know your parents are getting up there and you're just seeing what they're going through and it's like you're dreading. You know them making their transition, but what if you can see it as through the eyes of you know what? They're not going to leave you? Yes, their physical body is going to leave you, but their soul, their energy is always going to be around you and as they're making the end they're getting to the end point of their life, getting ready to make the transition that you embrace it as that Right and you love and support them on their journey. Because one of the things that I've read is very often the soul, when it knows the family members don't want it to leave, it becomes conflicted.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:And it's. And very often what happens is like the family members will get coffee and then the person will make the transition. Yeah, but when the soul knows that is love and supported, then it makes a peaceful, loving transition, like we did with your mom. My mom that was you know, it was absolutely beautiful.
Speaker 2:It was beautiful.
Speaker 1:I mean, I don't know how many was like 10, 11 of us around her bed. There was two or four. She's actually going to count Seven, seven. So there were seven people literally around her bed, just there as she literally took her last breath. And you know I remember. You know I remember this day I make my transition but how loving your dad was yeah, yeah, that was. And he held her hand and he's like you know, it's OK to go.
Speaker 2:Like I'll see you soon.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:That was, that was tough. But it was beautiful, you know it was yeah.
Speaker 1:And it's like that is love.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And you know, I'm sorry, it just, it just like really really hit me, but it was just, it was beautiful, like people say. You know, how can death be beautiful? But when it comes from that place where it's like it's your time to go, it's OK, we'll meet again. Yeah, he did that.
Speaker 2:So he was stroking her hair. He was stroking her hair. It was so beautiful. Oh my God, I'm remembering everything. It really wasn't Again. That was true love.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's why we're doing this today is because what if we can see that through a different lens, see it through the eyes of the mind, that it is just a natural part of the process of our journey and that those who make the transition are still with us in some capacity and their energy has just changed forms. It never, ever leaves us how freeing could that be?
Speaker 1:And how can that make our journey much better? And how could we take any fear we may have about making our transition away so we can just make the most, so that we get to the ends.
Speaker 2:We have, yeah, a smile on our face and full and grateful heart, a grateful heart, then it's a job well done, a life well lived. So anything else, before we wrap it up, no, just the grieving process is difficult, but I think knowing all this kind of will help you get through it a bit easier.
Speaker 1:And if you're going through this now and you're struggling with it, find someone to talk to.
Speaker 2:Absolutely.
Speaker 1:You're not alone and just having someone in your corner who listens, who's there to love and support you through this, because it is a part of your journey, to it's learning, to process, learning, to heal, learning, to get closure on that so you can go forward and have a wonderful life. Because I think we'll wrap it up with this I think the greatest disservice in life, especially to that person who has made the transition, is to not for you not to go forward and live a full and beautiful life when you're carrying the pain around and it's keeping you from living and loving and being who you were divinely created to be.
Speaker 1:I think that does the departed a great disservice, but when you honor them by the way you live, by the way you love, Absolutely, that's gold. Yeah, all right, my dear, all right. No homework today.
Speaker 2:No homework today.
Speaker 1:Again, if you have any feedback, any comments or anything we do to support you, reach out. We love and appreciate. We'll see you next. Bye.