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Who Was Dr. Scholl?

• Dirt Nap City • Season 3 • Episode 56

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William Mathias Scholl, also known as Dr. Scholl,  was born in Indiana as one of 13 children. He studied medicine at Loyola University Chicago. During his studies, while working in a shoe store in the evenings, he became interested in podiatry. Dr. Scholl saw the lack of attention the medical and wellness community paid to people's feet and was able to build a business based on maladies and care of people's feet, which was very unique at that time.
Dr. Scholl's business became a pioneer in not only care of the feet, but modern sales and marketing techniques. But there is some debate as to whether Bill Scholl ever actually completed medical school, and in fact, his company could not be called "Dr. Scholl's" in the UK and parts of Europe. 
Join Alex and Kelly as they jump feet first into the world of podiatry and the mysteries of the human foot as discovered by Dr. Scholl and his team!

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Alex:

Hello, everybody welcome to another episode of Dirt Nap dead people. Are you doing Kelly?

Kelly:

I doing great man, I am very, very well fed. At this apple, which is now my favorite thing to eat. Because of all the But you know, I've really realized one thing you have to air.

Alex:

Yeah. So if you like what if you're interested in or saying two weeks ago, we did an episode on Johnny Appleseed. And quirky Americans. Right and I think I'll, I'll do the same

Kelly:

You got a quirky American for me?

Alex:

I do. I do know so far. How many doctors do you think show. We've talked about two or maybe three. What do you can you

Kelly:

medical doctors, either were or I guess I guess Einstein Mm. Let me think we never covered Dr. Love. Dr.

Alex:

Dr. Hook when we talked.

Kelly:

We did talk about the gentleman pirate. But not Dr. doctors.

Alex:

We we talked about Dr. Seuss. Oh,

Kelly:

yes. A classic. That was one of our first season.

Alex:

We talked about Dr. Spock. That's

Kelly:

right. I don't think he was a real doctor though.

Alex:

No, he was definitely real Dr. Spock.

Kelly:

Seuss was more of a doctor than Spock. Come on.

Alex:

What in Spock was a medical Yeah. Okay.

Kelly:

Who gave who gave bad advice about how to raise want to know how not to raise your children go read his book it. Listen to our podcast about him. But

Alex:

don't. That wasn't the takeaway I got but was

Kelly:

was was the dude who did Pilates. Was he a doctor?

Alex:

No. Okay. No. And neither was Thomas Edison. Either was

Kelly:

I don't think so. Oh, it was like doctor or physics or

Alex:

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And Nostradamus, you may remember. remember, Nostradamus got expelled from medical school? called him doctor and he called himself doctor, but they were then. So he was on the idea.

Kelly:

Right? Your secret Doctor hashtag secret doctor?

Alex:

Well, I'm going to talk to you about somebody today that doctor.

Kelly:

Hmm, okay. Is this a may or may not have been a medical

Alex:

Yes, yes. Or no? Wait. Are you a doctor? Yes.

Kelly:

Oh, okay. You're not talking about your Oh, you can't

Alex:

born in 1882 died in rural Indiana. died in 1968 in business icon. Probably one of the pioneers of modern think about it. Hmm. We know him though, as a doctor. In fact, his first name. But he may or may not have even been a doctor.

Kelly:

Colonel Sanders. Yeah. May or may not have been a

Alex:

Exactly exactly like that.

Kelly:

So so his his name was associated with his product or

Alex:

Yeah, you know him as a doctor. Okay.

Kelly:

Today Dr. Scholz.

Alex:

You got it. Did I really wish Dr. Scholl? Oh, Billy

Kelly:

Well, that they go in your shoes. He goes in your Well is his pads his thingies? Yeah, I mean, it is they are they're there for people with corns and bunions and we're

Alex:

gonna talk about all that stuff. We're gonna get into all know about feet. If you if you're in defeat, this is the squeamish above feet, this is going to be rough for you. I'll gonna talk about feet.

Kelly:

Don't be defeated. Listen all the way through. And by the also want to check out the x ray shoe fitter episode. Now I an x ray shoe fitter?

Alex:

I was afraid what you were gonna say there if you're in other than the one about the die. The X ray shoe fitter. episode. That was one of our first dead ends. Yeah. If you by the way, these are these are the episodes we have in between they're about things that don't exist that

Kelly:

probably like shoe inserts, right?

Alex:

I think these are pretty. It's a pretty big company still than just inserts.

Kelly:

How in the world that I pull that out? I really don't Scholl's

Alex:

is a very famous company, the duo that are kind of probably even tell me the color of the boxes of Dr Scholl. Are yellow yellow boxes with blue? Yeah, yeah. So Billy Scholl, Billy. Grew up as one of 13 children. His grandfather was a So that's probably where the love for feet started.

Kelly:

Was that called the cobbler?

Alex:

Probably in Germany. Yeah,

Kelly:

they make they make shoes out of corncob corn cobs and

Alex:

wood you can imagine how rough shoes were until about the know, I mean, Nikes were invented in the mid 70s. Right? the late 70s. And we got pretty lucky in the shoe game.

Kelly:

I guess. But but you know, we don't have the benefit like Johnny Appleseed barefoot, right? Because, I mean, let's

Alex:

you think that's a benefit?

Kelly:

We're tenderfoot? Well, have you ever read the if you about the guys who run ultra marathons with without shoes on? you like to actually have your feet touched the Earth. Yep.

Alex:

I like a good shoe, though.

Kelly:

I do too. I do too. But only because my feet are such

Alex:

So if you can imagine how bad foot technology was, yeah,

Kelly:

were using the gradiation on your feet back. Yeah. But

Alex:

that, so Billy Scholl his dad was in the Union army. Okay, the Union. And the union had the latest technology and footwear. technology the state of the art was, like the most development in footwear

Kelly:

was during the Civil War? I'm going to go with moccasins.

Alex:

had these and the Confederacy didn't.

Kelly:

steel toe steel toe? No,

Alex:

it's much more even simpler than that. Buckle the right boots. Oh, wow. So the Confederacy did not have this. That was the same. In fact, when the Confederacy after a battle, boots off of the dead Union soldiers and wear them because comfortable because there was a right and a left. Yeah, weren't And they probably didn't even have sizes. They were probably nine or whatever. Yeah. And it one time General Grant actually the Confederacy on the fact that they had more comfortable boots

Kelly:

Imagine the ingrown toenails that you would get from type like no left and right. I

Alex:

mean, I don't think they were all right or all left, they

Kelly:

Right. So at least I would have made them all right foot would be comfortable. Right this way. It was kind of the

Alex:

But if you knew how to make a right shoe and you have

Kelly:

think I am but you know, I have a question for you little cringy for some folks. But have you ever had an ingrown worst. Yeah. Yeah.

Alex:

It's bad when we're talking about one of them. I foot maladies here in a minute. Okay. But you know, so these making and being Shoemaker, his dad, being in the Union Army and the reason they won was because they had, yeah, they had the influenced him. He worked in a shoe store grown up perfectly. call today podiatry. It wasn't it wasn't called that back then Hey,

Kelly:

Kyra potty chiropractor. I need to go Chiropody. And

Alex:

but it because it wasn't really something that in medical thought at the time that that the foot. You know, shoes comfortable that if you had bad feet, it wasn't a medical issue basically. Yeah, yeah, that's how I feel. Yeah. So I mean, it I think people that were into Chiropody back then were people's toenails and dealing with corns, yeah, you know, being a very respected medical thing. But he may or may not around this time when he was working in the shoe store. And in 1993, there was an article written about some of the great the 20th century. And they talked about Dr. Scholl's and word doctor. And there was a guy in his 80s, who had formerly Association as director of investigation. And he was thought, huh, that's funny. Wonder why they have quotes started doing some digging, and determined that there's a lot of a doctor. So we're not going to focus too much on the doctor business part, the sales part, the all that savvy, and then

Kelly:

doctor part. Yeah, it's kind of like Dr. Pepper, right.

Alex:

like you said, it doesn't matter if he was a colonel. That On the other hand, your love of chicken probably doesn't, isn't was a colonel. If you're buying products, health or health might want to know if the person who's talking is actually a that's quackery. quackery, I love it. So let's, before we get about some foot ailments and see how much you know about some of

Kelly:

I'm an expert. Do you?

Alex:

Do you know what hammertoes are?

Kelly:

Not a type of shark.

Alex:

hammer toes? Have you ever heard of hammer toes?

Kelly:

No. Never heard? Never heard of them? No, I don't think

Alex:

That's when you're, you have a bend in the middle joint fourth toe. It just bends like upward. Okay, so I don't know if many feet you've seen. That sounds

Kelly:

more like a telescope toe or a periscope toe? I've never if it bends upward, it'd be like a paradigm poking out.

Alex:

That's not a thing. But you can imagine if you have that shoe. How irritating that would be. Yeah, yeah. Then there's a that. But that's in that's a bend but it's in a bend in the toenail. So it's just depends on where you're, so if your feet up, then you don't have any of these. But if you have a bend, mallet toe and

Kelly:

everybody visit our website for diagrams. You can downloadable PDF with photos and diagrams of Alex's toe. toe on one side and a no whatever it is on the other. Now

Alex:

you mentioned flat feet a second ago. That's also called what that is?

Kelly:

That's a Park in Utah. National Park.

Alex:

Do you know what flat feet are though? I've never seen just heard about it right? Yeah, I

Kelly:

thought it was like a detective for is that a gum

Alex:

That's some gum shoe. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I'm not gonna all. Other than the gum that's not true. That gum shoe that Association right to get to the bottom of this. Yeah, you're arches. So in order to arches Yeah, arch. Yeah, an arch is your foot form an arch by pulling tight at your heel. And kind of bends our support, you need arch support. And when they arch. And so like if you can picture somebody standing like then putting it on a piece of paper, you'd be able to see the

Kelly:

it doesn't have that doesn't have that curved peanut

Alex:

Right that foot may still curve but it doesn't go upward.

Kelly:

I've got I've got good arches I'm next. Yeah, my mom bought us shoes with At arch support that was like a high

Alex:

So some people may be born with a flat fee, or they may sort of condition. But as you may or may not have heard, like that flat feet was actually a way to not be not go. You can't flat feet. You've heard that before, like in movies. Is that

Kelly:

what Trump Trump got out for?

Alex:

No, he had a bone spur. Oh, okay. He had a bone spur. people about 3% of the population has flat feet, prolonged pain if you're standing or running or marching. cause spine problems. Oh, yeah. So flat feet was a reason that a to get out. If they're getting drafted for sent out

Kelly:

their document. Write them a note to say sorry, Yong. feet. He can't

Alex:

know. You probably you probably had to. They probably determine that. Like when I got you. I don't think you could get flat feet. They would

Kelly:

determine that they'd say take off your shoes and you'd paint, right? Yeah.

Alex:

Do you know what corns are?

Kelly:

It's funny. I just had a conversation about corns

Alex:

If this proves that you're an old man, I was about to

Kelly:

say it's something that I was gonna say old people get on as to what a corn is. It's some

Alex:

there's no one in their 20s that are having Unless it's corn whole corn on the cob. corns are thick skin Okay, on your toes that are caused by rubbing or pressure can be caused by

Kelly:

hammertoes Oh, they're all related. They're

Alex:

kind of like calluses, but I think they're thicker. Or they sure. Do you know what Bunions are?

Kelly:

Another American legend. With a with a oxney. Baby.

Alex:

And all of his children. Yeah, that would be another

Kelly:

And he just walked around going ouch. Ouch, Ouch, my feet N IO. bunion denote a bunion is so I'm not really an expert. You've have to Why did you have to out knee is not knowing about it. Yeah, I've no idea what it is. I'm not what do you think it probably something that happens on your heel? Maybe because it's

Alex:

Actually. No, it's great guess. I don't think any part of but it's the it's a bony bump on the joint of the base of your

Kelly:

Oh yeah, I've seen that kind of goes out at a little bit

Alex:

Exactly. So it's caused by the bones and the front part of because the tip of your big toe to get pulled towards the joint out the opposite direction. So it sticks out. So

Kelly:

Yeah, we're not I've seen that before. I have seen that

Alex:

you're listening, we're not we're not laughing at you. but and then finally ingrown toenails as when you mentioned toenail grows into the flesh. You can get those I think toenail at an angle, any at an angle to cut it straight. It's problems of the human body might one of many as I might add,

Kelly:

can I can I tell you a quick story I used to and those a lot as a kid. I had several I even had to go to a doctor and it was so so in there and I was you know just screaming every one point I actually had to have half or maybe my entire toenail toenail and I don't know maybe they gave me a local anesthetic mean, I was probably 1213 10 years old at the time and what's but it grew back all bumpy and like not smooth

Alex:

like oh yeah on the top

Kelly:

yeah yeah grew back Oh yeah. rough and bumpy and and finally that kind of went away and it grip got back to normal crazy. Yeah, yes. Very, very weird. Also, another quick on the subject. I used to do thing with some of my friends, our toenails. And whoever had just just like, like all the whoever still had toenail polish, the latest in the year you know, you know, because your toes grow from the back, not you cut off the tip and then it grows in the back out. So through the year, you'll find that the base of your toenail no grew out. And then finally you just have this little sliver toenail. And we would you know like every month we would have a had a sliver of who did this. You know your punk rock to me. It was very punk rock.

Alex:

I never got into this.

Kelly:

How do you want it? I think we should do I think we we next time we get together. You Me owl Chris, we'll all see who's can last the longest.

Alex:

We'll make it a Patreon contest.

Kelly:

Right, right. The winner will get live updates on

Alex:

So if you fast forwarded, we're at the end of the foot could

Kelly:

and we don't blame you at all. Yeah,

Alex:

yeah. In fact, yeah. So in in 1912, I believe topic again.

Kelly:

you. Yeah. Billy Scholl. Oh, that's important

Alex:

knowing that there's a market here that wasn't being Because people have these ailments. And they were just feet. Yeah, I can imagine most people don't get painful feet. I women, you think about the kinds of shoes that people had to wear left? No, right and left. Probably just it was it was just you walked around your feet hurt. Yeah. 1912 he follow called Scholl College. Okay. Like I mentioned, podiatry as a proper medical profession until like the 1950s. Wow. So stuff. Today, though. Short college still exists. And 1/3 of from Shaw College. Wow, that's not like it's not an he started the idea of shoe fitting, and foot care. And was a market that did not exist. This guy would carry us always with him. I mentioned he was a little strange. Yeah, but I show another one of our new unmarried, their nap city at the percentage of people in life that aren't married, we percentage of them in an on subjects on the

Kelly:

show. Yeah, if, if you if you die on married, your odds of higher. So

Alex:

maybe that means once you get married, you're no longer the capacity to be interesting, no combat. These are some weird of a human foot everywhere he went. And what he would do is he appointment and asked the man for the manager, and he take out he would do the spiel about how the human foot has 28 bones and delicate part of the body and should be treated with respect. and Hawk some of his products. His very first product was a it was an adjustable arch support. It was basically just with the spring in the middle. But painful. It was like an right. And if you think about it, they didn't have those back for people with arch problems, right? Hey, if

Kelly:

you're on Twitter, tag us with adjustable hashtag

Alex:

would have these sales people and he would there were they would take that were like half educational about the foot, them like Salesforce. In fact, this was like the first company that we would recognize today that like looks like you know, their sales reps.

Kelly:

So almost like Mary Kay is today or Avon like, like

Alex:

they weren't selling door to door. door they were selling know what he called his salespeople

Kelly:

show Lee's his foot soldiers. That's good like that. That's good. Yeah.

Alex:

He was one of the first this is one of the first conventions, where you bring everyone together and show sing songs, pop songs that are popular songs at the time that change the words to be about feet. And then they would have that a lot of sales teams have today. Yeah, like a thief. their so

Kelly:

accept no substitutes.

Alex:

Oh, there you go. Did you know that Dr. Scholes had the people took things off the shelf, they didn't have to get the guy at the counter. The prior to that every every time tell the druggist or whoever What the what you wanted. And was the first stores that had things off the counters that you the shelf. In any kind of walk of life. You can just grab started the idea of national advertising campaigns like foot all these things, you know, these National Hot Dog Day or it's really like Baskin Robbins that comes up with National Ice things like you would have the girl with the most perfect foot in now. He was probably well, who knows? I'm not going to talk fetishists or for for that. But the idea that people started looking at their feet and demanding more from their feet comfort that he was creating this need. Yes, need didn't stuff didn't exist. Yeah. Yeah, he called this the sales company PDX. Okay,

Kelly:

so like that was orthopedics and practicality.

Alex:

right. So, and like I said, it was education about the this company in 1910, which was also pretty new for kind of it. Canada, the UK, all over Europe, Egypt and Australia. got this global company, yeah, way ahead of his time. And it well, even during tough times, even when the stock Mark was Depression. People once you got to figure that once people see back. You can't

Kelly:

go from left and a right shoe to know left and right shoe If you have

Alex:

bunions, and then you don't, the Great Depression not gonna say well, well, I guess I gotta go back to my something else to cut right. Spend

Kelly:

your money on bunion powder.

Alex:

He had 400 I don't think it was powder. I think it was

Kelly:

pads. Bunion pads. Yeah.

Alex:

He had 400 stores 6000 employees. When he died. His family owned businesses in the world. Wow. Now was in 1968. So sold they sold 11 years after he died they sold to Schering was a pharmaceutical company that makes Claritin they also Coppertone. Then they sold to bear and other pharmaceutical to a private equity firm for$585 million Wow. So that's like sold for five underneath. And now they sell products related skincare skincare products or odor eaters Dr. Scholl. I don't readers is another company. But those types of things right? athlete's foot. And Dr. Scholl's is big on running related that this guy was doing things with feet before running became or jogging. So they're they're all set with running related about whether or not he was a real doctor. kinda doesn't this company took off, but he supposedly attended this medical School in 1901 1900 1901. His bio says that he went to which later became Loyola of Chicago. And he said he got his also says he got an MD from Chicago Medical School in 1922, then. And he just kind of put that stuff out there. Well, as Medical Association started getting questions about, okay, doctor, and so they would do these investigations. And they yearbooks, or these catalogs of students that they would have. Dr. Schroll. Belly show. And they would say, hey, there's whether or not your real doctor can you let us know

Kelly:

something strange, something strange was afoot.

Alex:

I see what you did there. And I like it. He never answered is like 20 years of this is going back and forth. In 1935, came out with a statement that says, Billy Joel is not a medical doctor. Well, that time, these stores are everywhere, cured. They don't care whether or not he's a doctor. Now, even schools, those colleges that I mentioned Harvard Medical College, they were considered to be very low reputation. In fact, consider those medical schools they had they were they'd given were like in the C and D range. Even the place where he was said Chicago Medical School. The that's a legit school, except licenses in the state of Illinois at the time, was everybody and running what they call a licensed mill. Plus, he said he graduated in 1922. So that's shady does Whad in to call himself doctor shop. So in Europe, the stores and the wouldn't be Dr. Scholes arch support foot ease or foot powder Scholl American doctor is all he was allowed to. Okay. So that's

Kelly:

what was that show? So and So medicine man or medicine

Alex:

Magnum PI? Yeah, yeah. Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman. That's

Kelly:

right. That's right.

Alex:

American, I mean, William Scholl, American doctor is what so kind of doesn't matter to us today, whether or not he was a pain relief. And, and really took us into the 20th century imagine walking around with foot pain all the time. I mean, that over the counter type of things. Yeah, to go to a doctor to if have to go to get a referral from a doctor, you can just go on the whole of it, it's probably a pretty good thing bad that he that he kind of tried to put himself out there way that clouds his reputation, but

Kelly:

who knows, who knows, maybe maybe the name was more of i But I guess at some point, you know, he maybe should have said, on TV, kind of that sort of admission. I don't know. But I days of it seemed like having that legitimacy of the doctor's And then after that, as you said, it didn't matter anymore. proven. They filled a need. And you talk about somebody it like really well that's that's pretty classic.

Alex:

And he wasn't like some of these people that we talked need and filled it right for real problems. snake oil having it was snake oil because he would present themselves as a skeleton, hit you with the 28 bones. They're all delicate and know, let's face it at the time. The meta Community hadn't really the foot was something that could cause a lot of problems. I problems and back problems and the kinds of things that can community was not taking this seriously, this guy that may or taking it seriously. And actually was at the forefront of doing it to get rich or to, to save America's from from bad Well,

Kelly:

I'm sure he was getting it to do rich, doing it to get and then, you know, everything else followed was was a good or you know, I, I agree with you, I probably, I had very large feet grew really quickly. So I've always had a lot of problems stuff like that. And so knowing that they're well tended to. And to well tended to because I do feel like sometimes we would be barefoot sometimes, you know, and kind of letting our feet a little more of that. Reflexology, you're familiar every nerve in your foot is connected to a nerve in your think we miss out from with too much padding is that sometimes nerves, which can help your sinuses can help your nervous those things supposedly, are connected and can be healthier. well protected.

Alex:

And that's easy if you're Johnny Appleseed and you're but with the kind of you know, yeah, in the concrete jungle, terrible idea. Right?

Kelly:

You know, it's funny, I've done that a few times. And interesting. Like, I do not like it. I kind of liked the way the

Alex:

not I don't like I won't go on. I don't I won't drive a getting on a ladder. Do you get on the ladder with bare feet?

Kelly:

I don't think I've ever done that. It's a lot of dudes you're about to get on a ladder. It's a lot of pressure on one part of your foot. Right? It's like It's compressed into like, whatever the width of a ladder rung is

Alex:

like it. Yeah, no, I just don't. I don't feel like of. I because I had bare feet, it would be all on me.

Kelly:

What about What about like, stand

Alex:

over me and go Well, why isn't he wearing shoes? Idiot?

Kelly:

Nostril nostra dumbass.

Alex:

I wouldn't get on a roof without shoes. Okay, okay.

Kelly:

Now you're just kind of saying kind of obvious things.

Alex:

Well, you're no no, no, no obvious you're talking about shoes. No,

Kelly:

I'm not talking about going through life. I'm talking shoes, in grass and in sand. And, you know, maybe swimming I first of all, I don't like flip flops. Do you wear flip I mean the kind that goes between your big toe and the

Alex:

We used to call those thong Dong. Yeah. Yeah. Remember

Kelly:

Teddy, I remember those shoes. They were kind of like a elastic thing.

Alex:

Yeah, yeah, I hate those too. So

Kelly:

I don't like those either. I think I told you, Jodi lot recently. And we both wear socks in the yoga class. And wearing socks. But she's, she's like kind of grossed out by the, Somehow the socks protected? Yeah, I find that I tend to socks and some sort of significant shoe. Here's another think about if you're ever in a car accident, or you ran out of you had to hike a while. Not having shoes on in the car could day on a hot day when the cement is hot. And even just having flip flop kind of thing. You can't walk very far in that comfortable. So I tend to wear shoes that I can get around in

Alex:

Yeah, that's true. I found that during COVID where I was in felt weird, because I probably didn't wear shoes a lot in 2021 remember shoes, I have to put on shoes in other

Kelly:

dead end from Dirt Nap City

Alex:

I used to know somebody I mean I still know her. I won't and would wear pants that were so long that you couldn't tell meetings, academic conferences, and used to get splinters all remember finding out about this because we were walking across a she started complaining about splinters, and lo and behold, wearing bare

Kelly:

feet. So I think there is I think there is a certain, I ailment, or I also know a guy from Oklahoma, who's a very nice conferences, who doesn't wear shoes. And I feel like it's constrictive feeling of it. Like it really bothers him to have I think that's more than just a choice. I think that's something brain or physically that, you know, that they, they almost aversion or a phobia of shoes. Where I'm not sure if Well, I'm a strange Strange is a little less of a judgy term. just like us. Well, hey, Alex, I do have to use size to you. Did get you a card for national comfort foot Week this year? And

Alex:

Well, that's okay. It was foot comfort week. When was that

Kelly:

Yeah, I missed it. And what is what comfort week?

Alex:

No. Are you googling it? No, but I can

Kelly:

feel it. We should really encourage all our listeners out week. And the best way to celebrate foot comfort week is listening to dirt nap city on your Walkman. Dude, you're

Alex:

not going to believe this. But I think we're in it now.

Kelly:

It's in March.

Alex:

I think we're in it like now I think it's this week.

Kelly:

okay, then you need to get out right now and listen to while you go. If you're listening

Alex:

to this, it's already past feet week they call it feet week

Kelly:

Not to be confused with Fleet Week in the Navy.

Alex:

That's it's just enough some of you know some of our pretty much everything we've been talking about today is some people that just really hate thinking about talking other people that are quite the opposite. Yeah. In fact, I've women will not want a picture taken if you can see their feet people there's creepers on the internet that are so into feet kind of posts. They're into all that you don't have to include

Kelly:

So if you're a foot fetish creeper, write to us not what what turns you on and send us a picture of your feet. Maybe

Alex:

I wonder if foot fetish are into their own feet too? Or

Kelly:

I don't know. So have you ever had reflexology? Do you places usually run by you know an old?

Alex:

I'm not sure I'm? I'm not sure I believe in it.

Kelly:

Really?

Alex:

Yeah, I'm not sure I believe in it,

Kelly:

man. I've been to a couple of them. There's one not Father's Day, my kids know I need a good foot rub from time this old Asian man to rub my feet so I walk up to the door mall and he's smoking a cigarette we go in and it's hour of foot robbing. But man he gets up there, it hurts. There's pinch points and getting into the nerves and kind of rubbing getting in. I mean, it's like facia, like he's getting into very end, he stands up and he takes his takes his arms and he rubs it up your legs up your shins so that all the blood goes

Alex:

recommend know that nothing about that sounded the beginning. Cigarette old Asian man smoking me an old went downhill from there. Ya know, now it was an old white have to include any of this in the episode. This is about a

Kelly:

All right, well, let's get back on course. All right.

Alex:

I think the legacy this guy left was that he changed the the way we market things the way we advertise some of the we would recognize today as very, very 21st century type of marketer and and his name still I mean, I think worldwide, most Dr. Shah, at least know William show American doctors call me to

Kelly:

we went off the rails on that one. I'm sorry. That's mad bro. No,

Alex:

no, no, no, no, no, I just think that's a good way

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