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What if you grew up being told that music was evil? How would that shape your relationship with music? In this podcast episode, Josh Lauritch, the founder of 55 Promotion, shares his story about growing up in the IBLP community and teachings.
Josh talks about his unique journey, how he had to challenge the IBLP's teachings about music, and how music plays a role in his life today. We also discuss how to choose the right kind of music for ourselves and how to enjoy music in a smart and healthy way.
As we end this episode, we think about the role of music in religious groups, especially the ongoing discussion about old versus new church music. Through Josh's experiences, we talk about the introduction of modern music into the church and whether it might lead to a "consumer" mentality. We highlight the importance of choosing music that reflects the gospel and can be passed down through generations. Don't miss out on this interesting conversation!
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Text Brian & Shawna (Fan Mail)
What if you grew up being told that music was evil? How would that shape your relationship with music? In this podcast episode, Josh Lauritch, the founder of 55 Promotion, shares his story about growing up in the IBLP community and teachings.
Josh talks about his unique journey, how he had to challenge the IBLP's teachings about music, and how music plays a role in his life today. We also discuss how to choose the right kind of music for ourselves and how to enjoy music in a smart and healthy way.
As we end this episode, we think about the role of music in religious groups, especially the ongoing discussion about old versus new church music. Through Josh's experiences, we talk about the introduction of modern music into the church and whether it might lead to a "consumer" mentality. We highlight the importance of choosing music that reflects the gospel and can be passed down through generations. Don't miss out on this interesting conversation!
Ways to Join Us LIVE 👇
Live shows are on Thursdays at 8pm EST (unless it's a holiday or fifth Thursday of the month)
Affiliate links are used when possible to help support this podcast.
Welcome to today's podcast replay from the Killer Bee Studios. Let's go ahead and dive on in. Hey everybody, welcome to the Killer Bee Studios. Can you guys hear us out there? Let's see some confetti. All right, yes, awesome. Thank you guys for coming out. This is the grand opening for the Killer Bee Studios. I'm so excited you guys all got here. Did you guys get lost? Did anybody go to the old studio trying to figure out how to get to the new studio?
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):But tonight we have a special guest. His name is Josh Lauritch. Was anybody out here when Josh came before? Throw some confetti, if anybody. Okay, yeah, I see a couple people out here. Yeah, deena, awesome, okay. So Josh Loridge is the founder of 55 Promotion and he'll be joining us a little bit later today to share part of his story growing up in the IBLP I believe that's how you spell it when he was taught that music is evil. Has anybody here ever heard that music is evil? Has anybody heard that before? Yeah, I see confetti. Yeah, okay, yep, deena, yeah, I would love to know. You know, as we're getting ready to talk about the story tonight, this is part of Josh's personal story, so I would like to ask you has anyone here ever watched the Dock U series Shiny happy people. Has anybody watched that? I think it's on. Oh okay, seals are throwing some confetti. Anybody else? Anybody else? No, okay, all right, so it's on Amazon Prime. Mrs Killer Bee, you want to tell them a little bit about what that Dock U?
Mrs.KillerB (Shawna Curee):series is about? Yeah, so it talks about the kind of the behind the story type things about the Duggar family which you might have heard about from 19 kids in Howney and their correlation, their affiliation, more like it, with the IBLP group so it's like a religious group and you know, bill Gotherd, I think was his name, was the main leader of that and it kind of talks about his teachings and the things that happened there. And yeah, so Brian and I were really affected by that documentary and then Josh reached out and said that that's what he had grown up in. We were fascinated. So I can't wait to hear what he has to say about it.
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):Yeah, I can't wait to hear his story too. So with that, I would say, arcane, can you go ahead and hit that guest intro and let's bring Josh out. You guys ready to go with some confetti? Josh, lord's, come on out, let's see, there he is, hey, josh.
Josh Lauritch:I don't know where I'm supposed to go, so I'm just going to jump up onto this couch.
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):That's exactly right. You are in the right spot. You are in the right spot. Your legs look a little weird, but I think you got it all right.
Josh Lauritch:I'll just jump every once in a while, was you?
Mrs.KillerB (Shawna Curee):hoping. See you guys have to jump. I'm so jealous. I did leg day too. Oh, there we go.
Josh Lauritch:And I'm not looking jacked right now. So I'm really disappointed.
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):Well, I have to say, like Litch, was you hoping that you would have legs, and the next time you showed up in here I've been working hard on it.
Josh Lauritch:Man, I was hoping that they would have that. You show those things off. I put shorts on in my outfit and everything and I'm pretty disappointed.
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):But you're looking good, man. It looks like you got a fresh cut on your head there. Like your fresh new dude, right?
Josh Lauritch:You know this is a virtual world and I still chose to be bald.
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):So, yeah, there's a spot right back here that I can see. Josh is a really good friend of mine. You guys, this guy right here if you guys saw him in real life he'd be way taller than me in here and he's got such a big heart and he's a great, great person I like seeing people I know out here I got Pete Desmond Adams out there in the crowd.
Speaker 5:I know he's that awesome. What up homie.
Josh Lauritch:It's fun to see people I know. You know I like it.
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):Well, I have to admit. Okay, your first. You guys listen. Let me explain to you what Josh's first experience was like at the Killer B Studios. We had a hurricane coming through Florida, and so it's like it's no one you know what. It's no wonder why we're having bugs. It's just not normal to have you on if you're having problems Bring trouble yeah. It's that homeschool stuff right.
Josh Lauritch:Bring in judgment everywhere when I go.
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):When he came in the first time, I think we had like maybe 10, 15 minutes to show you some of the basics on controls and stuff. And as we come in, there's a hurricane hitting us where we're at and as the hurricane's hitting us here in Florida, at me as the host, we had no more electricity so I was running off my cell phone internet and then all of a sudden transformers and towers are blown up and we lost cell phone service. And he was stuck in here with our co-host which was new at Stuff 2, with somebody asking a question and they couldn't get them out of the question box. We fixed that and the person was asking somebody in the audience to be their meta-boo, so that was pretty great.
Mrs.KillerB (Shawna Curee):So that's playing matchmaker you know, yeah, it's beautiful, pretty great.
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):Well, but for those of you that don't know Josh, Josh, would you take about 30 seconds and just let people know a little bit about you and who you are?
Josh Lauritch:Yeah, I run a radio promotion company called 55 Promotion. I get music played on Christian music radio stations all around the country. That's what I do for a living. I've got two little kids, 10-year-old son named Alex and a seven-year-old daughter named Abby. I've been married for 20 years, got married when we were 11. So that's not true. But I was married young, so I met my wife when I was 15 years old, and we've been together ever since.
Mrs.KillerB (Shawna Curee):Oh, my gosh.
Josh Lauritch:I'm born and raised in Wisconsin, spent a few about nine years in Nashville and I'm living in Milwaukee right now. And yeah, that's a little bit about me.
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):I wanted to bring Josh out because, since he was one of our first guests, I'm like man, I would love to have him back out. Plus, since the first one was a crazy explosion hurricane and we couldn't get anything recorded, I was like it'd be great to have Josh out and see the new studio.
Josh Lauritch:I said so many good things that night and we didn't get saved.
Speaker 2:No.
Josh Lauritch:So hopefully this isn't bad. Nobody would know we got hurricaneed from the first one.
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):We've got a lot of people here that wants to be married. They heard that you actually are licensed to marry people and make people meta booze and all that stuff.
Josh Lauritch:So yeah, Right, I don't know what we did, but something happened that night.
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):It was magical. I don't know. I can't relate because I don't know what happened. Josh, knowing your background, and it really surprised me when you're telling me a little bit about your story when you told me that you were taught that music is evil and some of the people here were in the audience were like throwing confetti and raising their hands like yeah, they've heard that too, so can you. I'm interested to see how this story goes. I would love for you. Can you take us back to those days and tell us some of your story? Take us back to that time.
Josh Lauritch:Yeah, I mean it's always an interesting point of conversation when you say you work in the music business and then part of your story is that you grew up in a home school cult where music was evil, definitely like a Parks everybody off the story.
Josh Lauritch:I will say this before I say a lot about the story and just my life and things like that Growing up. In the context, I know you asked the question of whether people had heard about that documentary shiny, happy people or whatever. There's a lot of stuff that's really difficult in that whole organization and a lot of things that are hard to process and some really awful people in there. I think it's really important to also mention, like though I grew up in, that my parents are awesome and I don't hold any bitterness towards them.
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):That's awesome.
Josh Lauritch:All of us, man, we're doing the best we can out here and they believe that what they were doing raising us in that organization, homeschooling us and trying to protect us that was our goal. It was trying to protect us from some of the just gnarly stuff that goes on in the world. And there's reasons why people fall into any type of thing. Sure, yeah, so like every time I talk about it, I don't ever want to put any type of shame on them. It's none of that. They thought it was, there was good things to the whole thing and there's like a lot of things there can be good and then you add like a little bit of extra made up stuff. It could be trouble.
Josh Lauritch:Yeah, and a lot of people didn't realize that was what was happening in the thick of it, and my parents have experienced the love and the grace of Jesus and are not the same people they were back then and have found like actual true freedom from that type of living, and so that's pretty beautiful as well.
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):Oh, that's amazing, and I think you made a really good point there too, because I think that as parents, it's easy for us to look at Our kids into like they're. They're a work in progress, you know they're, they're growing. But even the parents, at the same time we're growing up, the same time as we're raising our kids, like like arcane over here, arcane, arcane, you're a homeschool, right? You're a homeschooler, let's go, let's see, let's, let's hear you on the mic. Tell us how your homeschool experience has been. I know you already graduated. He graduated last year, I, I, you know I can't say too much because my teacher's here.
Speaker 2:Hold, on Hold on.
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):Okay, hold on, let me see if I can cover your ears.
Speaker 2:I'm trying to cover your ears Go ahead.
Speaker 5:It was good. It was good. I'm not gonna lie, it was good.
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):Yeah, but uh, but you know, just even with why you thinking about it, you know how old were we when we, when you had uh arcane, mrs Killer B 24 24.
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):So we were still Young, we were really young adults raise, learn how to raise a kid, everything to. We've grown a lot too. So, uh, it's interesting to remember that, like even us, as parents, were growing the same times our kids are growing, we're growing up with them, but they don't realize it. So that's really cool that you can look back and still you know this wasn't a negative thing for you and your parents, like that's. So I'm so glad that you you shared that.
Josh Lauritch:Yeah, it's super important. Yeah, I mean like the of what I remember. You know I'm a little kid.
Josh Lauritch:There's a lot of stuff that happens that you don't even realize what it is, but watch the documentary and recognizing, like some of the teaching that exists like one of the, the biggest sort of overall principle, is about behavior and behavior control and, uh, and, like I said, you know, there's like a spirit that exists in the organization of protecting your family from things that might be bad, you know, from Sex, drugs and rock and roll.
Josh Lauritch:You know, a lot of people came up in the 70s and, you know, early 80s, and I was like they had these rough stories and then they, they might have found themselves, you know, having an understanding of, of jesus and becoming christians and then realizing like, oh man, I don't want anything to do with that. I got to keep my kids safe from all these horrible experiences, and so that's why some of this stuff becomes really appealing to people. There's also people who are very much, you know, just unhealthy type of folks and maybe like low-key or high-key narcissists and like to control things and like to Make themselves look good to others, and and that's uh, true of so much of what we deal with in life, right, Just the idea that we're going along trying to look good or feel good or be right or be in control yeah, super unhealthy stuff, and so that's how you fall into it.
Josh Lauritch:One of the things I just remember all the time when I was a little kid is that music was bad bad Unless it was hymns or sung with choirs. Then that was pure and proper and holy and uh. And so I remember like hearing about christian music in the like late 80s, early 90s, going this, this would be good, like this is about Jesus. That's what we're about in this world, right? Nope, because it has drums and drums are demonic and drums have very evil origins and they make you shake your hips and things like that.
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):Which is how you have hips in here. Is that why we don't have?
Josh Lauritch:hips in here. No, like that's why this would be, we could listen to all the music we want.
Speaker 5:Nobody's going to get pregnant, you know, so um.
Josh Lauritch:No, but I just I just remember that a lot as a kid. And and then I also remember, like when we came out of that, because I started to go to a real school, uh, with a class of seven people when I was 15, and then a different church, because there's a whole part of how they're kind of exiting out of that organization and my parents look losing their friend group and like people rejecting them because they decided to send us to a regular high school, right.
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):So that's really good, so like when you're going into like, so you started going into a. Was it a public school, then a public?
Speaker 2:No, it was a private school, private school private Christian school.
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):So is this when you like? Is this when you started questioning?
Josh Lauritch:or maybe was there some moments that, uh, that made you start questioning or doubting that belief about the music evil, or there was a lot of moments because, like I also had a lot of friends, so, being 1213, 14, I played basketball in high school and had tons of friends in my neighborhood who went to regular school, public schools, whatever, and so a couple of my friends were really into the music of the 60s and 70s, so I got to know all those bands uh, you know Led Zeppelin and the who and oh yeah, those aren't evil at all.
Josh Lauritch:No, I'm just like I love the guitar.
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):So when I started playing Led Zeppelin's.
Speaker 2:Got a good guitar player man and I got some crazy drummers.
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):Oh yeah, there had to be a lot of it shaking of Led Zeppelin. I'm sure I kept that pretty low key.
Josh Lauritch:My parents didn't know. But then the kids in my neighborhood grown up in Milwaukee were in the West Coast gangster rap and so I also listened to that all day while we played pool and smoked cigarettes. So like I had that sort of existence that my because, like it was it was early 90s we just like left the house and didn't come back until the street lights came on.
Josh Lauritch:And so I just did all this type of stuff and my parents didn't know anything about it. So I was just around a lot of music. I was around a lot of people who listened to music and I was going this is amazing, what is wrong with you people? And then I started thinking, like, well, but if the music is about Jesus and that's what we're about, how is that bad? And I was like always a questioner as a kid. I was curious, and so we would go to these things, and I also remember like they would teach you lots of things that you could find in the Bible, which are really good things, and all the rules and all of the like expectations that are listed out in Scripture and a lot of what Jesus is teaching is. It exists in the book of Deuteronomy. It says, like all of these instructions are are so that it might go well for us, like keep my commandments and it might go well for you. This is like a constant theme of Scripture.
Josh Lauritch:It's not like keep these commandments because then you will be saved and go to heaven, and so that's because the reason we have all these rules and is to show us that we can't keep them and that we are in need of something, something perfect, someone perfect who has kept all of them and fulfilled the law, who is actually Jesus, and so anyway, with all of that type of stuff, I would see things and read things and go, okay, I see that that's in the Bible, like that's good, I see how that's beneficial for my life, I see what's going on here, and then there'd be like extra stuff that some dude came up with and I'd be like that's not in the book.
Josh Lauritch:Yeah, we following the book and you know sometimes that would get me into trouble and you know my parents be frustrated and sometimes they'd be like, huh, it's not in the book interesting you know, because we're all learning at the same time, you know.
Josh Lauritch:And so, and then there'd be things about, you know, like, as we started to kind of fall out of that. You know the amount of judgment and condemnation that my family felt because we decided to go a different route that was much better for us was really hard. Because I'm going. Aren't we supposed to like love our neighbor as our self? And, you know, aren't we supposed to actually like be a community and like following these things together and like, just because I, we go away from this one idea, we're out of this community and totally rejected and judged by people as a weird situation, you know so. So even with the music stuff, I was like questioning it, like wait a minute, this doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever. And so then when I met my high school youth pastor at my wife's well my girlfriend at the time, her church is funny.
Josh Lauritch:One of the other things is you don't really you're not allowed to date people Like they keep it real, keep it like woo. You know, basically you find somebody, you immediately are like all right, cool, you're my person. And then when you're 18, you get married and you have no idea what to do with yourself. You're not even a whole person yet and you go and get married. And so, like the second, I met my wife Amy. We were 15 and I'm like well, you're my person, you know. And so it was like, right away my parents were like no, don't do that, you can't date, we can't do that. And then she introduced me to music through her youth pastor.
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):And.
Josh Lauritch:I was just like it blew my mind cause I'm hearing, like you know, all this rock music in the mid nineties that reminded me of Jesus and like told an amazing story of who he is, and it just like it changed my life and I was super drawn to it from the beginning. And so here I am now, all these years later, involved in the music industry and actually have several friends who are producers and songwriters, have written some of the biggest songs in the history of all of Christian music. Who grew up in the same little cult I grew up in.
Mrs.KillerB (Shawna Curee):And I have found freedom from that. Yeah, so this is a pretty cool thing, but who were some of the bands that you liked in the nineties? I wasn't a Christian in the nineties, so it's always interesting to me to hear about it.
Josh Lauritch:Like of the Christian music that is popping back then.
Josh Lauritch:So, like the first band I went to see live was called, it's called Newsboys, and there was the band that opened for them, called Third Day, and this was like at the United Center in downtown Chicago and so I got into all of that and, like DC talk and Jars of Clay, those were pretty popular bands back then and I just I like, cause I loved it so much. There was eventually one point where parents kind of just like whatever man just don't listen to, two pop in our house. And so they started to support what I was doing, cause they were like Ice Cube and West Side Connection was a little bit too much for the house and they finally realized, like all right, if you're going to like music, at least, like you know, Christian music.
Speaker 5:And so I would just go to the bookstore.
Josh Lauritch:It was like a Christian bookstore by our house. So I would show up every Tuesday and buy like I don't know $100 worth of music every Tuesday, cause I had a job and stuff. And we just bring the music home and listen to it and I would read like in the you used to be all open it up and there'd be like a listing of who participated in making the album and wrote the songs and I would read all these people and like, all right, who's that guy, who's this guy, who's this?
Josh Lauritch:you know, I was fascinated by it and, like a lot of these people that made the music that really changed me in that era of my life are people that are now my friends, business partners, colleagues you know, so it's been pretty cool to be part of things like that, so so it's funny you bring that up because, first of all, third day was one of the first bands that really changed my life too.
Mrs.KillerB (Shawna Curee):I didn't, you know, come to be a Christian until I was in my twenties, after Brian and I got married. But it's funny you brought that up about reading the CD insert. We were just talking about this. I have always, since I bought my first CD when I was 15, it was a Launas Morissette I've always been a CD insert reader. Like I want to know everything and you know it's really hard to find that information now.
Speaker 2:Like I was looking up.
Mrs.KillerB (Shawna Curee):Yeah, I was looking up the CD the other day and I was trying to find out who was singing backup for somebody, and I could not find it.
Josh Lauritch:And.
Mrs.KillerB (Shawna Curee):I was so shocked that, like that, information is not as readily available as it used to be, yeah, I think that's something that I know will change at some point.
Josh Lauritch:A lot of artists now, when they put out an album or even a song, they'll post to their Instagram or whatever, like a credits page, so at least you get some information. But a lot of the streaming companies will have like a credits page as well, but it doesn't tell you who played the dope guitar part, or like who did the programming and like all the incredible synth work, or it doesn't tell you who the producer was.
Josh Lauritch:Necessarily it's not every time because you like, literally as a I'm a partner in a record company as well and like we submit this long list of stuff to our distribution company of like, who mixed it and who mastered it, and all the different engineers and all the people that worked on the project the guitar player, the drummer, whatever and they don't always show up on the back- end, hopefully one day they fix that, because it's really inspiring for people to like know who actually did the work.
Mrs.KillerB (Shawna Curee):It is yeah To make their favorite songs, you know. And I'll just make this quick, but I've actually been able to like really make connections with people that I meet because I recognize their name from one of those. Yeah, exactly, it's so fun to do that. That happened to me once where I was like, oh, I was like, did your wife buy any chance Like write this song? And they're like, oh yeah, how'd you know that?
Speaker 2:It's always because.
Mrs.KillerB (Shawna Curee):I read everything you know, but yeah, that's interesting.
Josh Lauritch:It's such a great way to honor people like all of us wanna. You know deep down like it's special when someone can recognize the work that you've done. It's awesome if the work you've done has made an impact on somebody out there, you know. And to know that and be able to have conversations with people, especially, even like in this era where we have social media it could be like following somebody that's played the drums on all your most favorite music.
Josh Lauritch:Yes, great and actually have an interaction with them and maybe have a chance to like, share with them why, but they did matter to you and Exactly. So there's a lot of inspiration that can happen, but if we don't know who actually made the music and what they're doing, you know it's a really tough thing. So hopefully they get that straightened out at some point.
Mrs.KillerB (Shawna Curee):Oh yeah, I hope so.
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):So that's really interesting. Like does anybody here else here read the inserts of the CDs? Does anybody else read that? Like there's some confetti.
Mrs.KillerB (Shawna Curee):Oh, lady Hawk, Lady Hawk's reading stuff.
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):Okay, okay, yeah, steve, you're the builder. Okay, yeah, so people do. Okay, well, I kind of read like so I have the vinyl records now because I collect all those, so I like to look at those because they're it's bigger. So at this age it's nice to have more pictures, right? I love that you shared that like third day. A third day, mrs Killer B knows, has a pretty big spot in my heart because that's where I grew up.
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):Well, if anybody here might be able to relate, I grew up independent, fundamental missionary, baptist, so that probably tells you a lot, right there. If you just try to remember all that and you know drums, things was a big no. But this was interesting though for me and you know I love my parents and all them Like we just kind of, you know, god showed us a little bit different things. So we're in a different missions and stuff mission field, but what's really cool is, well, not cool. This was confusing because we couldn't play drums in the church and it really wasn't my dad that didn't want that, but you know more of the church. But we played in a country band and we played at bars and everything and we played like white lining and stuff and I'm like I don't know how the world did even let us come up here and play.
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):I went to church one day at a church and I showed up. Okay, I was a rebel teenager. Okay, so just get that. This is not all right. If there's any kids in here, we shouldn't do this. Rebel doll shouldn't do this. I remember I got up and I was like I gotta go play bass at the church and they're like you can't wear that shirt. It was a Budweiser NASCAR shirt. I was like it's a race car shirt, I'm wearing it. So I'm gonna wear a white base. Look at Paul, he's like throwing confetti with my Budweiser NASCAR shirt on.
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):But going through all that, like I was at that stage where I was always taught that you know, that type of Christian music was evil. Yeah, it was all like the hymns and stuff was what we're best to be listening to and I didn't grow up in like that background, like with the homeschooling and stuff. But somehow that got mixed in still, and which was very interesting, because I went to the first concert that I went to. That was a like a CCM. I guess that had been CCM. I don't know if third day it would've been CCM back then, but that was their first concert. It was the first concert I went to was third day and I remember standing in a line.
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):I was at a church in Ohio I think it was at Landmark Baptist Church, as that was and I remember standing in a line. There were so many people there and guys just to give you a picture remember my background was these people like this is evil music, they're all in it for the money, it's not about Jesus and all this. And I stood there. I saw people all tattooed up Mohawks, like about three feet tall with different colors, and I'm like standing there, like just really judging all of them mentally in my mind, of course.
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):And that's what I was thinking. I was like man, these people are in trouble. That's what I'm thinking and I'm thinking how can I fix them? I gotta fix them right. That's what I'm thinking inside and I can't trust them.
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):Well, fast forward, we go to the concert and as I'm in the concert and third day's playing, I watched those same people was like sitting right around me and I watched them raising their hand, balling, praising God, and I'm standing there like this the whole time with my arms crossed, and I'm like I can't believe this, I can't believe this. And I thought I started finally getting to the point. I know this was the Holy Spirit working on me. I'm like God. What's wrong with me? Why can't I feel like that, like why isn't that for me? Why can't I be like that? And he told me he's like God.
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):What's wrong with me? You got to uncrew. Just put your arms out, let me in. You're blocking me. Let me in. And I did, and it changed the entire my entire life for me when it comes to music and I started I've missed this killer B because it was a game changer for me. Uh-huh, and I'm like man. We are blocking what we thought and just because what people said, god's working in that music and that that was a big change for me.
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):So I was I was really cool to hear that the third day thing with you two and like that. We're like the same age, I think. On a little side note, I'll tell you one of things that when I started getting into more music, I listened to Metallica a lot too. I listened to a lot of heavy metal. I was a Led Zeppelin guy. I had all the black yeah, I had all that you know. So Metallica I remember. Maybe this is just me, let's see if anybody else throws confetti. If you guys can relate to this, let me know, because you're gonna have to be older If you.
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):How many people here remember cassette tapes, confetti, okay, okay, okay. My first cassette tape I remember buying at a mall and it was Metallica, ride the lightning, and I knew I had to hide it. I like that. I want nobody to see I got this. But I remember opening that thing up and a new cassette tape had this smell that I just couldn't ever Duplicate. It had this new smell. I don't know if anybody else, maybe it's just me, maybe it's just yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, everybody's got it, okay, cool. But so as we talk about all this and I remember like I had friends, I had family members not my immediate family but other family members that would see those tapes and they would take them and they'd be like that's of the devil and they would throw it down, this dry boys and I'd be like I would get.
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):Throw it down there and I'm like what? And I remember even there was even a song in Metallica, I think it was called creeping death, but one of the songs is actually it's all biblical. If you look at the words, I'm like, oh my gosh, this is from right, from the Bible, which is very crazy when it comes to that.
Josh Lauritch:Oh, there's a lot of bands that have made music through the years that they absolutely understand what, what's true, they know they're, they know the scripture, they, I think there's. It's funny, like even in our culture, like when we talk about, like the way that you felt about all the tattooed people at the third day Christian music concert, like if, if, if I and my family saw me at one of my clients concerts now with my Sleeve on my you know, my big tattoos I'm, I can't see in this is hoodie, you know, I've literally a tattoo, a full sleeve of skeletons and it's creepy as hell and even just saying that would be a mean trouble back then. And Like my tattoos, my earrings, my, you know, like, even, somehow they probably judge my bald head in my beard.
Josh Lauritch:I'm sure of it, he probably had some hair. But, like, people are afraid of things they don't know, they're afraid of things they don't like even being in this room, in this virtual world, there's people that judge this and think this is bad and you shouldn't be associated with that, because there's things that happen in the metaverse that are gnarly. Well, no crap. There's things that happen everywhere that are gnarly and I've found In my own life and then also through the wisdom I've gained from my therapist, because I grew up in a cult. So you have to have a therapist.
Josh Lauritch:Like people who go so hard against certain things Usually have some demon in them, something in them that's ugly, so they feel better when they go hard against other people. So if you're gonna protest against this group of people because they're so bad and we need to get them to fall in line with our morality, my guess is my guy over here protesting. He's got something going on in his world that he's trying to mask. You know that's very common, I think, for a lot of people, and so but when you're free, like you don't have to be offended by anything like that's right.
Josh Lauritch:You know I'm not. If I'm a Christian I am by absolutely the mercy of God. Have I found myself, as a grown man, like believing in the finished work of Jesus, that he gave his life on a cross 2000 years ago to pay a price for sin that I couldn't pay for myself? Like this is only by the mercy of God that I could believe this after the way I grew up and so, like in that mindset, I don't need to be offended by someone's sin or behavior. That's gnarly because Somebody who carries on in that way the Apostle Paul says the things have got our foolishness to those who don't believe, and so why should I worry about getting them to follow in line with my morality or some moral code that is in the scripture, or maybe one that I've created in my own image, I don't need to be offended by this.
Josh Lauritch:Like the Holy Spirit, the work of God in this world is gonna be the thing that makes somebody Understand any of this anyways. And then the scripture says the kindness of God that leads us to repentance, which is a changed life, a turning from one way to another way. The kindness of God, not the judgment of God. So, like I've learned, like I would be the guy that I would have been judged. You know you'd have judged me and I.
Josh Lauritch:Would have been judging each other, so one of the other thing I think is really important, as we're talking about all this stuff and like this, this wild, ridiculous situation that I grew up in.
Josh Lauritch:This is not the Jesus that's written in the scriptures.
Josh Lauritch:I'm, oh yeah, none of this stuff. You see people you know protesting against groups of folks and you know getting super worked up about who somebody loves and who they have sex with and these things that do with the who cares, people that are going up against, like even within the world of, like the church, like just fighting against each other all time and judging each other, and also like trying to Create this moral code in our society and make sure that everybody's falling in line with our rules of Christianity. Like that's not the Jesus that's in scripture. And if you're in this room and you're like Mad about those kinds of people, like let's go. I am too. But if you're mad about those kind of people and like writing off everybody who says they're a Christian because of those types of people, and I would just encourage you, like, if you have any curiosity, open the words of scripture and read what Jesus actually talks about and read who he is and read what the Bible actually teaches, because there's things in there like Love your enemies yeah.
Josh Lauritch:I don't you know enemies is a pretty like do you have enemies, mr Killer? Being like, yeah, I mean probably and then you also think about it and be like. I mean, my enemies in the world are like pretty low-key, like no one's.
Speaker 2:Are you trying to?
Josh Lauritch:take me out, you know. No one's kidnapped my, my family and help them to ransom and try to kill me. No one's Like I don't have that level of enemies but according to Jesus, I'm supposed to love those people. Yeah, yeah, wild, you know like is someone who believes different than me. Is that an enemy? No, they just have different beliefs. I mean, I don't judge Dallas Cowboys fans even though they're there's some problems with them, you know or Chicago Bears fans I mean garbage, but I don't judge them, they're just different.
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):There was a you don't have people can up in your kids and stuff because you have that sleep tattoo of the skeletons. I'm very, very scared, never.
Josh Lauritch:I've ever been in a fight, so if you know these tattoos that I got and all this toughness and these jacked legs, you should have probably remember having to hit anybody.
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):So if you, if you even take it back to Hold on, if you guys remember there was a shooting, I guess what that was like, probably in 2015 or 2016 here in Florida, and you guys remember that shooting. It was at a bar, okay, yep, adams, you remember Josh, you remember? Okay, oh, yeah, I see everybody out there raising their hands. I remember my son, arcane. I was in my, I was in my office and I was reading. I was reading my Bible and I was reading. At the same time. I had just got done reading about Judas and about Jesus and I'm all coming to the table and sitting with him and, yeah, and what was about? Rago down Jesus, knowing that Judas was going to betray him and, and you know, have him killed and stuff.
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):Yeah, well, going through all this, arcane came in and and said could you, did you hear what happened? And everything was blown up on the news and a lot of Christians were, you know, saying like that's, because it was, you know, it attacked him, because it was like a gay bar and all this stuff. And I'm like that's really sad, because what I, what I told him. We sat down and said here's the thing that's really important for us to wrap our mind around. I was like I want you to read the scripture here, jesus, that people didn't agree with it, his enemy. Not that those people were an enemy, is there not an enemy? There are people like God loves them and just like he loves us, and what I told him is like it's interesting to see like Jesus sat knowing that this guy was going to have him killed, and he broke bread with him and he sat with him.
Josh Lauritch:Still had a seat. Well, the gospel is good news. That's what it is.
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):That's right.
Josh Lauritch:Amen. Good news Is that Jesus came and died for me, who broke all of God's laws. I messed it up. All the Ten Commandments, broke them all. I could give you a list, there's only 10. But broke them all. And he came for me and died for me while I was still his enemy, while I was a sinner, while I was completely against the things of God. And so that is like the most remarkable news, and the wild thing is when I confess my belief in him, in the sacrifice of Jesus for me being enough and the only thing, I don't stop being a sinner, like. I don't know about you, but I've done some sin in today. You know, I did some sin in yesterday. I'm going to do some sin in later tonight.
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):I'm going to go drink beer at a.
Josh Lauritch:Christian music concert tonight, actually right down the road from my office at Summerfest. It's the best festival ever and one of my friends is playing tonight. But that's not sinning. That's a whole other issue in the Baptist world.
Mrs.KillerB (Shawna Curee):Which friend, by the way? Lauren Dagle, she's going to be at Summerfest in Milwaukee yeah, that's awesome.
Josh Lauritch:So while I'm on my deathbed, I may have a lustful thought, I might be angry, I might say something I regret, like I'm going to die with sinful things in me. I have no hope without for the work of Jesus. I can't do this on my own. God said the standard is perfection. He said all of sin and fallen short of the glory of God. So that's why I love the message of Jesus, because he came here, because I'm a mess, and so anybody that's running around, whether it's the cult I grew up in or anybody now that's saying you have to clean yourself up, you got to get right I hear that all the time Like people who are going and fighting against each other on Facebook for things that people say and do that are different than them.
Josh Lauritch:Like we can't get right. That's why he's had to come for us so that's like as much as I, you know, I can reflect on, you know all the gnarly things in the past and I can be really mad at the church today and I can be really mad. I'm going to say, quote, unquote Christians, because these people that perpetuate these teachings and these ideas, that's not the things of Jesus. And if you meet the real one, he changes you.
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):Amen, amen, amen, go ahead. You got a question or a thought you'd like to share. Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I have a thought. I'm one who's a lover of music too, and I wasn't necessarily. Well, I guess I always had a thought as a Christian on when you're listening to music. You know, being careful what kind of music you listen to. To some degree I still do that, but I like all kinds of music. You know you talk about Metallica and stuff, but I, you know, I grew up listening to Earth, Wind and Fire, Heart as a group with Mac and stuff, so that's the kind of music I always liked and stuff, and I still listen to it today. The only thought I have in this situation is basically, you know, I'm sure it's fine to listen to any kind of music you want. I mean, there's a certain line that maybe we shouldn't cross as Christians but at the same time, as long as God comes first in our lives, I don't think there's any problem with the music you're talking about, that you're listening to.
Speaker 2:And so God is number one and stuff, as long as the music doesn't overpower and become to the point that it becomes a God. That's where the problem is Totally.
Josh Lauritch:Well and dude, let me offer this thought kind of as a point of what you're saying and piggyback off what you're saying is like there's things that are wise for us to spend time like putting into our minds, right, there's things that are good, there's things that are beautiful, there's things that are pure. I can listen to, you know, an amazing guitar solo in a Metallica song and be like that is beautiful, and I can also hear a lyric and go, whoa, that's gnarly, that's not healthy for my soul. I can watch a film and think, wow, that was incredible performance and acting, but then be like yo, that's not wise, because there's some ugly stuff in this movie or whatever. Like, I can enjoy things, but there's wisdom along the way, and be like you know, there's some shows I just am not going to watch. There's some like honestly, I grew up with, like Tupac and Snoop and all these guys music and I love it.
Josh Lauritch:When those beats hit, I'm like let's go, and then I'm like who, this is not godly, this is not wise to be enjoying this right. So, like you know, you make adjustments along the way and that's the beauty of life. Amen. But none of it condemns me, because my sin is what already condemned me. Amen.
Speaker 5:Amen.
Josh Lauritch:So I'm not like, oh man, now I've ruined it all because I listened to. You know, whatever song was just filthy, you know I can listen to it and be like that beat goes hard, but man, that's nasty, I don't want to.
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):Yeah, well, I think that was a good point too that you guys point out. Lepp, thank you for sharing it, because you know there's songs that I like, I love like all different types of music, and but there's some songs I'll listen to, like there's one that I won't say the band, because I still like the band. I don't want to give them like it was really me, but the lyrics that was coming in was very negative and I noticed myself becoming more negative, more touchy and aggravated a lot easier because of what?
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):I was downloading into myself and I had to like turn that off because and it's not that the music itself was evil, it was just I wasn't a bad place and I wasn't listening to the right music to help me get out of that place.
Josh Lauritch:Music takes us places. Music is powerful, that's why, I love it.
Josh Lauritch:But it's I also know enough to know like that stuff's on purpose. People are trying to take us certain places we are. They are trying to impact how we think and like shape the culture. Music films, tv shows, podcast, the news there's all kinds of stuff out here that like exists to create things in our mind and take us to certain places. That's not good. So you have to be aware, you have to be wise, you know absolutely what you put in yourself and how it's going to influence you.
Mrs.KillerB (Shawna Curee):I'll just say super quick, just to speak to that point is sometimes it's not even something that's inherently bad or evil, but just something that's not right for you in the moment, in the space where you're at, you know if you're having trouble in your marriage and you're hearing songs they're talking about. You know, burn it to the ground. You know, throw all stuff out the yard.
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):It takes you to a place where it's not healthy for you. Again in arguments I turn. I make sure all the playlists are clean, about how all the songs are your husband's right and you know he's perfect. All right, meta voice, go ahead. You got a question or a thought.
Speaker 6:Well, I've got a lot of things going on up here, but let me see if I can single it out and narrow it down. You know you were talking about music being impactful as stuff and I grew up with my grandparents and we went to church and a lot, and so music was impactful. I went to school they, you know, they were all these kids listening to all different types of music and my grandpa wouldn't let me listen to the music they were listening to. So I listened to songs like Ralph Ray Bolts, which I still remember one of the songs he's saying.
Speaker 6:I still remember all the lyrics of Thank you where he talks about a story about going to heaven with someone and them being thanked for all the stuff they did. And then also a brand named Creed. I loved Creed and they put along a long time. I didn't know it was a Christian band.
Speaker 5:I just thought it was a rock band.
Josh Lauritch:I was just like it in there.
Speaker 6:Yeah.
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):Yeah, and then there was New Song.
Speaker 6:I don't know if you ever heard of a new song. Oh, I was a kid I grew up with New Song and I'm their CD and I remember listening to all their songs on repeat. So you know I don't listen to a lot of them, what I used to. Sometimes I still put them on when I get the song stuck in my head and I just need to listen to it.
Speaker 6:But music entertainment, all that has so much to do with shaping our personalities and the way we work because it's about the things that we relate to is the things that we grow in the path of, and so when we relate to music or entertainment, we grow within that path, like a flower grows within their own garden, the garden that they relate to. So it defines our principles and defines who we do become later on and how we think. So I did want to just kind of share on that because I was like, oh, I know this topic or something.
Speaker 6:I can say and also you know, josh. Thank you, it was Josh, right, yeah.
Josh Lauritch:It was.
Speaker 6:Josh, thank goodness, all right. So thank you so much for being here on this show and coming to a rise in.
Mrs.KillerB (Shawna Curee):I have two things to say. One thing, meta voice, will you just say a sentence to Josh, as Mrs Doubtfire, that's who he came as last week and it's lighted me to my very soul.
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):This is good. This is good.
Speaker 5:Hello, dears, of course you know I can say just about anything. Earlier today I did Mrs Doubtfire trivia for an entire hour, don't you know? And everyone had a good time, although there was a little bit of pesky little children that get up on stage and I go, if you don't get off stage there, I'm going to turn you into a blueberry muffin and they grow off very quickly, don't you know? Very good.
Mrs.KillerB (Shawna Curee):Thank you.
Speaker 5:I'm here for you. The other thing I wanted to say is.
Mrs.KillerB (Shawna Curee):I hold new songs so dear to my heart because I was a pretty new Christian and we went to I think it was what's it called Winter Jam and her new song I fell in love with her music.
Mrs.KillerB (Shawna Curee):Laughers CD. Of course I would go to the gym with my little mp3 player and I would just listen to their songs over and over and cry and cry. I thought, oh my goodness, people see me here crying on the treadmill. They're going to think you know, hey, to exercise, which I do. But yeah. I just all their lyrics just moved me so much I love new song Vic thanks for joining us.
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):Thanks for joining us, it's all good, it's all good.
Speaker 7:My brother, wait a minute. Okay, can you hear me?
Speaker 7:Hey, Josh, Josh, let me ask you a question Did you have any old people or elderly people, or well-seasoned people, like we call it in my church? Did you have any individuals in your church that were strictly hymnal? Hmm, him knows, that's all he wanted to hear. Oh, yes, okay, so here we go. I just want to know what push back, where you're getting from the individuals who are well season, considering you were focusing in on what the next generation was focused on, and it was not. Him knows, I just got it.
Speaker 7:Come tell me, brother, it's a great question.
Josh Lauritch:So in the churches, in the church that I grew up in, that was all we could do. So I remember, I know all of those songs and we studied the old hymn writers and I learned so much about their stories and what they had gone through in their lives that led them to write these beautiful, rich lyrics about just literally straight out of scripture, like the doctrine just infused into these hymns is so beautiful, and a lot of the choruses and the melodies were just emotional. They were the songs of that era. So as a kid growing up, high school and college I played in bands. I played in two bands that we were trying to be like Creed.
Josh Lauritch:So, there you go. But when I started playing music and I played music in my youth group and I played music in college and led worship, and our church was very conservative even though it's not the cult church, it was the church my wife's family was going to, but they were very conservative, and so we were introducing new choruses and new, more contemporary songs, and there were some people that had a real hard time with it. They didn't know my history, though, at 22 years old, that I actually knew these songs and thought so highly of them. So it actually created a lot of interesting conversations, a lot of very good conversations, because we talked a lot about preferences Like these are not things that are worth.
Josh Lauritch:They're not hills worth dying on. You know, these are things one of my pastor at the time he always used to say and it's a quote, I can't remember who it's attributed to, but he said it in an essential unity, in non-essentials charity and in all things Jesus Christ. And so we would have that conversation in our church and be like look you like hymns, get it, that's okay. I love them too, and we're going to sing them on Sunday, and we might sing them with a guitar, not an organ, and that's okay. We might sing some with a piano, that's okay. But then I'm going to teach you new choruses that are easy to sing and easy to remember and that stick in your mind and remind you of true things that are beautiful, straight out of structure remind you of the gospel and there's people today that are making that kind of music that I actually work with and that's even so.
Josh Lauritch:I'm actually trying to get people on the radio all over the country that have a rich tradition of hymns and make songs that are songs that we'll sing for 100 years, and so I was kind of like a full circle. I'm actually working with some of those songs now and it's trying to hey all this traditional music like it's very me focused. Let's sing some of these deep songs about the truth of gospel, you know so yeah, I had a lot of interesting conversations back in the day about that.
Speaker 7:Thank you, josh, it's always going to happen. Yeah, they're welcome, it's always going to happen in the church.
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):You know like we get stuck in our traditions and we get stuck in our ways and like I can say, you know, this is how I like it.
Josh Lauritch:I grew up in a group of people that's probably the last 25 years in this movement that's happened in the church, where you know, trying to add more modern things and contemporary things and make the presentation of church more interesting and acceptable. And that's what we've done is we've gone so far to the other side. We've created a consumer mentality.
Mrs.KillerB (Shawna Curee):Sure exactly.
Josh Lauritch:And that's really unhealthy and so like there's going to be another, I would imagine huge shift back to the other side of like wait a minute, should it be about us.
Speaker 5:Is this a?
Josh Lauritch:country club or is this a church? Are we here to be entertained or be reminded of the finish work of Jesus and our place in this whole world? You know?
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):So it's always changing.
Josh Lauritch:We're always fighting against each other.
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):And I know there are some people in here that's doing church stuff in the metaverse and I know that some of you guys probably get kicked back too about being here.
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):Don't stop doing what you're doing, because we know we've seen the impact it has on people's lives in here and it's different. But God's moving in here too, and you guys are an important piece of that. So we've got to give away a headset. Here's what's going to happen we're going to pull the contest lever and if the person whose name comes up on the board isn't in here, then we're going to pull it again. So we have five people on the list that's going to be up for winning this. After we choose it, I'm going to bring you guys up as a guest for a second. You can sit right here next to Josh for just a minute and, if you guys please like, make sure you give him some confetti and stuff too. And hey, arcane, if we find the winner, if the winner comes up, make sure you hit that guest music. Let's give him some party. Let's everybody throw some confetti. So let's go ahead and see who is the winner of the Oculus 2 headset. Here it goes Drumrolls, drumroll, mrs Killer, b Brrr.
Speaker 5:I can't do that, brother.
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):We have Meta Voice. What it's, meta Voice? Are you serious? Oh my gosh, meta Voice. Ok, hold on, I got to bring you up. Hold on, meta Voice. I got to give you permissions.
Speaker 2:I got to give you permissions oh my gosh, I cannot believe this.
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):This is incredible. You're muted. You can talk all your trash up here.
Speaker 6:I was muted for a good reason.
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):I didn't want to even myself to hear what I said.
Speaker 2:Actually I was behind it miming.
Speaker 6:The entire time. I wasn't even speaking the words. I was like how did I do that?
Speaker 5:Yeah, I'm so excited. Oh my gosh, I was in my high.
Speaker 2:Oh, I get to sit next to a celebrity, ok.
Speaker 6:Well, I was in my head over there going it's going to be Dana, it's going to be Dana, I want to be Dana, but this is so great.
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):I'm super excited for you, meta Voice, because I know like well done. I know that you've been one of your wife's here. That's just awesome. I'm so, I'm so happy that this is going to work out.
Speaker 6:I mean, I need to see her.
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):She needs friends. I would love for you to just take a couple minutes, just share, like, what is the Killer B Studios? The Killer B Studios, if I can even pronounce it right, what is it meant to you?
Speaker 6:Yeah, the Killer B Studios to me, has meant connection. Since the beginning you have been connecting the outside world to this world and you have been proving the formula that it can be done. Every time I come here, it's never hatred, it's never a bad word, it's never anything like that. It's always kindness, it's always wisdom and it's always something to learn. And, of course, those in here that might not be religious, it's not always a religious conversation. Plenty of times it's about things that are real to us in our lives. This has been a great way to make very I don't know how to say spiritually connected friends.
Speaker 6:And like-minded individuals of life itself, and so that is what this place is, and that's why I continue to show my support the way I do. Come on by every Thursday and commit to shoving people through this portal whether they choose to or not. You should see it on very forceful. They know I'm coming. There's one, steve the Builder. He actually he's one of those that I shoved into the portal and I see him. He's been here the whole time.
Josh Lauritch:Steve's still hanging out. I like it. He's still here.
Speaker 6:He's still here so yeah, this place is vastly important and what you're doing is important. Well, thank you so much meta boys, so we appreciate you.
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):We appreciate all of you. Josh, if, out of everything we've talked about today, what would you hope we would walk away with today? If it's one thing, that is a good question.
Josh Lauritch:You know, like I was talking about how I grew up. A few weeks ago after this documentary came out, just talking through it with my therapist as you do what do you grow up and call me and she asked me, like how did you get out of it? How did you get out of that situation with the mindset that you have? Like I said there's like a whole spiritual component where I just believe it's the mercy of God. You know, like for whatever reason. But I also know, and what I've talked to her about and what I'd say to you is I was a really curious person. I had lots of questions and things that didn't make sense or seemed like huh, or even stuff like from the outside they were like that does make sense, why don't we do that? Or what's the? I was asked a lot of questions.
Josh Lauritch:I'm still that way now and I think whether it's we're talking about like spiritual things, religious things, like who is God and what's my place in all of this and is this stuff that I've been talking about tonight, is this stuff true? Like we wrestle with these things in life, you know, because you hear all kinds of different viewpoints and perspectives. We have lots of things that we have to face in business. We have things that we're they're going on in our culture, in the political world, which gagged me, but there's curiosity changes a lot of things for us and if you're curious, you can also be like totally okay hearing someone that thinks a very different way than you Like. Why do you think that way? What is? How did you come to that conclusion? You know there's some people in our culture that are great at curiosity. You're fascinating to listen to. So they ask lots of questions, they listen to different people. They don't jump on others and judge them, you know, and so that's my thing. Like what, even when it comes to, especially the stuff that I've been talking about, you know, who is Jesus? Is this stuff real? Am I really? Am I a sinner? Like, what's the implication of that? If that's true, who is the stuff that Josh shares about? You know why Jesus came and anything that came from me. Is this actually too?
Josh Lauritch:Like you explore these things, you're going to find answers. You're going to find. You look at the scripture and you read about who the real Jesus is, not the one that the crazy people, or the judgmental people, or the angry people or the, you know, predatory type people have told you about. You know you're going to find some answers as you're curious, and so that would be. My thing is like explore, question, be curious and just see where things lead you, and you're going to learn a lot. You're going to meet a lot of great people along the way, otherwise you maybe would have never talked to, and I think that that's a pretty cool thing. And the Bible says if you ask and you seek, you seek, you will find. Knocking the door will be open to you. You know, these are things that are like, so, like cool. If I'm asking and I'm seeking and I'm knocking, what's going to happen? Is this stuff real?
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):You'll find out pretty fast. So, yeah, that's good, I love that. I love that, yeah, cause I mean I think that that is a key, like it's okay to ask questions. It's actually important for us to ask questions, especially like with looking at those, like watching that docu series and what you're sharing, josh, asking the questions starts helping you find truth. A lot of people are afraid to ask questions, or, if you're, I've dealt with people that I've asked questions and they felt threatened when I asked questions. That's a sign that something's not right.
Josh Lauritch:So, yeah, that's true in so many areas of our life right Like yeah.
Josh Lauritch:I can name things in the music business that if I raise questions about something, someone gets threatened it might expose them. It might, you know, there might be a better way, but they haven't adapted to it, so they're afraid. You know there's all these different things, and if your goal is to just keep looking good to others or be in control, you know or feel good, you're going to lose so much opportunity. And so if you start asking questions and people get riled up about something, there's probably a reason why.
Mr.KillerB (Brian Curee):Yup, there's probably a reason why. There's probably a reason why. Well, thank you, Josh, for so much for joining us. Meta voice, we'll get that Oculus headset. Stand out to you, man.
Josh Lauritch:I'm sitting next to a winner. I like this A winner.
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