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You know, we were here to mitigate those self-imposed barriers, negative self-talks, and anything hindering you from living your best life on your terms. We talk about topics such as personal and business development. This also allows you to do some self-reflection based on the topics that we talk about. Today, this topic is titled, which I think is unbelievable. If you're not the problem, there is no solution.
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And who better to share that with us than Melanie Yates? I'm going to welcome Melanie to our podcast. Good day, Melanie. How are you? I don't want to say this morning, but how are you today? Well, thank you.
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What a pleasure it is to be here. And I love that introduction because, you know, we get in our own way, and I always think, you know, if I'm not the problem, there is no solution because I only have control of myself. So I love what your podcast stands for. I just invite everyone to take a deep breath in and open their minds because we will get to some great business today about living their lives more happily and freely. Oh, great.
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Before we get started, I'd like to read your background a bit for my listeners so they'll get to know who you are and who I am speaking with. And her name again is Melanie Yates. She is a seasoned coach who guides individuals through emotional pain toward lasting happiness. With over a decade of experience, she has empowered countless people to transform their lives through personalized coaching, seminars, and videos. Melanie's journey from self-defeating to spiritual awakening has equipped her with valuable insight and tools to help others manage their emotions and embrace joy.
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She shares these transformative truths with those seeking relief from pain and numbness, offering a path to love and happiness within reach. She's also a best-selling author, and the name of her book is happy, joyous, and free. Wow, what a bio. Melanie, I'd like you to tell my listeners before you start helping individuals get unstuck and back on the path of effectiveness: what was your backstory before then? What was going on with Melanie back in those days, though?
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Well, I find that you have to be stuck in order to help other people get unstuck. You have to know what that feels like. So I was very stuck. I was in a relationship that felt like it was killing me emotionally, spiritually, and physically because, you know, when things are off in those realms, it does affect your physical health and your physical body. And so I just.
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I think the root cause was, you know, all of us. We definitely grow up. And while we're growing up, we get these beliefs, some of which do not serve us. Right. Right.
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Some of those, you know, and it's really. It's not about lame, but what happened for me is that I was in just so much pain, and not really. It was a perfectionism kind of thing. I was raised with really high standards.
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I just thought they were normal. And I don't think, like I said, it's not anybody's fault. It's just that I became attached to achievement, approval, and attention, which gave me my worth. And so when I didn't get that from people, places, and things, I got so stuck. I was so stuck.
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I was in so much emotional pain. And I don't know about you, but when you're in that kind of emotional pain, you are looking for anything to get out of it. And so I was using things like food, alcohol, you know, I just. I wanted to numb being stuck. I did not want to look at it.
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And. And it got so, like, using those outside things to try to feel better. Yeah, I just got in a really bad place where, you know, I needed help. And, you know, sometimes people call it, you know, like a rock bottom. And if somebody doesn't feel like that today, don't worry, because you.
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The beautiful thing about a bottom is you can stop digging at any moment. You know, dig deeper than others before we look up to want something different, you know? So that's. I mean, basically, it comes down to: I was in pain. That's how I got into this line of work.
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I was in a lot of pain. Wow. He helped me, and I am so committed to helping other people. Like, that's what happened. Wow.
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What? Wow, that's incredible because there are a lot of people out there who are stuck, and it sounds like you just made a decision. I mean, you have to decide that you want to get out of that. What were some of the methodologies that helped you besides being in pain?
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Was that enough to get you out? Because there are people listening who are in pain emotionally, physically, and all of that, and some who are just struggling to get out of it. So how did you, I guess? How did you neutralize the pain of emotions?
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Well, first, you have to admit there's a problem. Okay? You really do. I mean, when I. When I say, you know, if.
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If I'm not the problem, there is no solution. I have to admit, okay, that there is a problem and that I need help. That is the very first step: you have to admit, okay, that you have a problem and that on your own, you aren't getting anywhere. So, you know, I knew there was a problem, but I kept trying to do it myself. And so, yeah, the biggest.
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If you're feeling like you're in trouble right now or you're stuck just admitting, like, where you're at, this is where you're at, and there's nothing wrong with it, there's nothing wrong with you. It's just not meant to do this world by ourselves. So the number one thing is to ask for help. Acknowledge that you don't have to do it alone. No one has to do this life alone.
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We're not meant to do it alone, which is why there are so many of us. Right. I just went to India. There are a lot of people.
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There's a lot of people. We're not meant to be alone. We're not meant to isolate. And I think that part of the problem with being stuck is that we start isolating ourselves. We start pulling back, and, you know, in a way, we keep ourselves stuck because I start pulling away from the solution.
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Right, right. And I love that when you said you became aware, you gave yourself permission to know that something's wrong here. I'm aware that I have some issues that need to be resolved. And so you're right to first become aware of them and acknowledge that you have them. And, you know, Melanie, now let's talk about your circle of influence.
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When you were in that. In that, what do I want to call it? In that deep hole, were people, like you said, we're not here to do things by ourselves. Did you have people in your circle who recognized that you were stuck or that you were having some challenges in your life? And also, if so, did you accept that?
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And the reason I ask, because I always tell my listeners, your circle of influence is very important, who you have around you, who you surround yourself with. So that's why I'm asking the question. Did you have a circle of friends that recognized that something was going on and maybe encouraged you to get some help? Or. What was that like with your friends or your circle?
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Well, for me, I had become so low that the people are. I really, you know, they say you're the average of the five people you spend the most time with. And, like I said, I was in a relationship that was really hurting me. And it's because of my perspective. It wasn't that person.
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I mean, two people, but it was the way I perceived it. See, I was looking for that person to make me happy. I was looking for that person to fulfill what I'm in, what I'm responsible for. I'm responsible for my happiness, self-esteem, confidence, achievements, and approval. It doesn't come from other people.
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But I was looking in the wrong places for love, you know? I love that song. Looking for love in all the wrong places. Right. Because that's.
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That's where I was at. So I was reading books, and I realized that, you know, I was searching. Right. And one of the books that I was reading, and I know Jim Rohn talks about this, is that you don't necessarily have to know that person to be a circle of influence in your life.
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So I started looking for people I didn't know that I could learn about how they lived their lives. I started looking for people I could look up to, people I could respect. At that point, I had gotten so low that I didn't really have anybody around me I respected. So I had to create a circle of influence. And so, you know, it's like, well, how do you?
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How do. How do I raise the average of the people I'm around? Well, by putting it in my ear. So every time I got in the car, I would have Darren Hardy or Oprah Winfrey or Renee Brown or these people that I looked up to that had something that I was looking for. Right.
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And people that were inspiring me. So I started raising my average by, who am I listening to? You might. I might not. I didn't have face-to-face time, but they were in my head.
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They were in my ipod, you know, okay. And when I would take a walk, I would, you know, I would be hearing, you know, a circle of influence. And I did. I did get outside help, as well. But I had to.
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I first had to admit there's a problem to ask for help. Yes. And so it just. So, so today. Let's take today like today.
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Guess what? I still have problems. My self-esteem still needs to grow. Yeah. It's never done.
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So even today, I would say I have a circle of influence where there's people in my life that I can be honest about. Like, even yesterday, I feel a lot better today than I did yesterday. Yesterday I just woke up, and it could be from. I'm just coming down from this incredible experience that I had on this vacation. So I just.
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I felt lousy. I just felt like I wasn't good enough like I was wasting my life, and like I didn't have a purpose.
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What am I doing here? You know? And then, of course, I don't know about you, but when I get into that, do you know what I should start doing? Nitpicking other people. Like, I think my husband bugs me.
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Yeah. You know, that, that so and so should get their act together. Yeah. It's like, it's like this bad mood, this self-talk that I really am aiming at me. I start projecting it on other people. And that's where I've learned, through awareness of when I start complaining, that is a signal.
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It's like a red flag. If I start complaining about somebody else, it's like, okay, pause. Time out. Okay, what's really going on?
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And it always has to do with something inside that needs acknowledgment. Like, I need to admit. Yesterday, I had to come to terms with the fact that there's something wrong inside. Exactly. You have to pivot. Yeah.
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And what's the next thing? And I've learned that I asked for help. You know, I asked a friend, I said, hey, I'm just, I don't feel good. Like, emotionally, I just don't feel good. And, you know, she gave me a suggestion.
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What's that? Well, she told me to do some writing. Mmm. Okay. You know, writing is, you know, in my book, I kind of talk about different ways to write things out and to process being angry at somebody or, you know, to me, I have this little way of doing it, and it always comes down to something inside me says, you're not enough.
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And what do we do with that? You know? What do you do when it comes down to I don't feel like enough? And how do I train negative self-talk in that? Positive self-talk.
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Right. First is awareness. I had to become aware that something was off. And then how do I pivot that? I rewired the way I looked at something by having a positive affirmation.
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And for me, I always use body language to help those affirmations. So, there's been so much research on how body language actually releases the hormones and chemicals in our brains. It is as simple as smiling the brain. Whether I feel like smiling or not or whether I am, like, in a real crap mood. Yes.
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If I smile, my brain gets a signal, oh, she's smiling. That means releasing those endorphins. Those smiling hormones and something happens. Right. Also, something happens when you frown.
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That's right. It happens when you fold your arms and pout and look down. You know one thing: If anyone hears anything from me today, just notice where your eyes are during the day. Are they down? What signal is that giving your brain when you look down?
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Okay. When you get small, especially for women, we're kind of trained in our society here in the United States to be small, to cross our legs, to be little, to fold our arms, to be ladylike, whereas men, when you think of a masculine, confident, arrogant man, what? They get big; they're willing to take up space. And so I invite us, when we think of an affirmation, to use your body language by taking up space, putting both feet on the ground, your hands on your hip, and your hands in the air. A high five.
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A high five. We've been trained from the beginning that a high five is a celebration. It's a yes moment, right? So when we, our body, and our brain pick up on that way quicker than just saying it. And, you know, neuroplasticity is about all those neurons in your brain, and we have all these senses in our brain.
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The more you can turn on, the faster you will get to the affirmation or result you're looking for. So, by getting the senses, facial expressions, hearing, and movement, yeah. Well, listen, Melanie. You have said so much.
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And first of all, I really want my listeners to hear this what you said, and I was going to ask you, who inspires you? But one of the things you said you did that helped you get out of that deep hole is you listened. When I asked you first if you had a circle of influence, You know, and you just said you talked to a friend yesterday who told you, why don't you write? So that was one person that kind of helped you through this. But you also said that you pay attention to what you listen to.
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So you listen to the oprah's and the Jim Rohn and the hardy. You listen to all of those individuals because they spoke life to you. And I want my listeners to hear that. It's kind of like, turn off the TV. You know, if you need a pick me up, the TV's not going to help you unless it's somebody on that's inspirational that can speak life into your life, you know?
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So I wanted to highlight that, and I think that that's really great. And you also talked about, what I want people to understand is, although you're a coach and you've done some great work and you have a lot of clients and you help them, you're human. You're human. So therefore, being human, you get those days, you know, you get those days that you're in a slump. And sometimes I call it a funk, and I have a friend that hates that word, but I'm like, I'm in a funk today, you know?
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But we're human, and it's okay now. If we stay like that for a long time, then that's not okay, you know? So these were some things that you talked about that helped you get out of your way based on what happened back in your childhood. You know, you talked about acknowledging. I have what I call an ABC formula, and that's that. I call it a detox formula for people.
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That. That negative self talk, where is that coming from? You're right. Aware, be acknowledged. What is it, and where did that belief come from?
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It had to come from somewhere. You know, like you talked about. You would. You were trying to be perfect. Everything had to be perfect.
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Where did that come from? You know? And then you challenge the validity of where that thought came from, you know? And I call that the ABC.
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So you just talked about some really great things that I wanted my listeners to hear. I wanted to reiterate that we're human and we're not up every day, you know?
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Also, you talked about body language. You know, watch your body language when presenting yourself. So, I appreciate you being authentic and letting individuals know. I'm not like this all the time.
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Yeah, that's okay. Now, I want to talk about your book. What are the foundational steps to cultivating joy, regardless of your circumstances? That is an incredible question.
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It's a great question because, you know, I. I've come to believe that happiness is a choice, but joy. Joy is my perception. Okay? And so when I figure out that the way I see the world is negative, I have the agency to choose something different.
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Yeah. You know when. When I find something wrong with my husband, you know, or my kid, or my friends, or my parents, or my siblings, like, just pick somebody. I know everybody has somebody out there who wants to take you. You want to take their inventory, you want to.
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There's something about them that makes you think you know what's best for them, right? Okay. And so that's my perception. Yeah.
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And if I can't acknowledge that I'm the problem, there's no solution, because I'm trying to control people, places, and things. I'm trying to control things outside of me. And when I do that, it brings misery to me. I'm the one that's miserable. And so even, you know, I'm so glad.
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I had a bad day yesterday. So I can keep hearing, how the heck did I get from yesterday to today without medication, right? Without overeating. Well, to tell you the truth, I did probably numb a little bit with some cookies. So I'm not perfect.
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I'm trying to show that even studying and researching and practicing and coaching and teaching, this is an ongoing journey. And I get to look at my behavior yesterday and look at the good things I was able to do and the things that maybe I want to do better and.
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And how do I do that? Well, for me, I need a higher power. So I choose to call that God. Yes. Those of you whose word makes you cringe or whatever, just replace it with the word love.
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Because we were created with love. And I believe that all of us have something inside of us that craves and yearns for love. And so love is just an easy way of looking at it. But I need something greater, like unconditional love, to give me hope that nothing stays the same, that things are going to keep changing, that my feelings aren't facts, that life is going to go on. And love, love sometimes gets, you know, people perceive it as.
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It's like a reward. Like, you know, I'm gonna find love out there somewhere. But that joy, as a perception for me, is defining how you want to see life and then creating the feelings and thoughts and behaviors to get the result. Because that's what it takes. That's what it takes.
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Those thoughts to me, thoughts. People will interchange feelings and thoughts to get behaviors. But either way, your thoughts create feelings. Feelings create behaviors. Behaviors create results.
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And so I've heard many people say it well; feeling creates the thought. It doesn't matter either way. Both of those things create action and behavior, and then that's the result. So if I don't think I'm good enough, and that makes me feel bad about myself and sorry for myself, and I play the victim that gets me a behavior, I start acting a certain way, and then that attracts results. Right.
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To me, joy is the way I perceive life. And so joy can if I perceive that no matter what happens. So, my book is happy, joyous, and free. I love life no matter what, meaning that it doesn't matter what happens.
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It's all part of the plan. You know, you can't know something's good if you haven't felt the yin and yang of it like you have. You have to have. You know what's good, right? Yes.
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The law of opposition. I mean, that's what life is all about. To me, life is about learning and growing. And for a lot of us, growing and learning is painful. So we avoid it, ignore it, try to get out of it, or self-medicate.
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Like, that's what I did for a long time. And to be honest, I still do it. Like I said, I ate cookies yesterday. More than one. And so to me, when I do something like that, I'm trying to get my comfort from something else besides that, that love that I'm talking about.
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Yeah. And so, Melanie, um, what advice? Because you, you just reading about you, you seem to be a healthcare advocate, and also you like to give, you give advice for individuals, their behaviors, like mental illness and anxiety. Is there a correlation between healthcare advocacy and giving advice to people who have unwanted behaviors? I would say anxiety and mental illness because that's really big now.
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To me, it's always been big. It's just that more people are talking about it, and it's not as taboo for some. It still is, and people don't like to talk about it. But what advice would you give?
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I guess I'm making an assumption. You had clients that have unwanted behaviors like anxiety and mental illness. What advice do you give them? That there's hope that everybody's got something. You're really not unique.
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It might appear that you have something harder than what other people go through, but I just believe that's not true. We all are here, and there's a plan for each of us, which sometimes looks individual, but everybody has something. We're here to go and learn. So if you have a handicap for whatever, if you want to call it a physical handicap or emotional mental handicap, like depression or anxiety or add or autism, the list goes on and on and on. So, you don't have to be defined by that label.
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And there's always hope. So just being able to admit again, it just goes right back to even, even with your formula that you have to admit where you are, what's the problem you want to work on? And it doesn't matter where you're at. We all have health problems, relationship problems, money problems. Those, to me, are like, everybody has those, and there's.
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There's meant to be growth and learning in each of those categories. So, yeah, and it doesn't have to be huge. I invite all of us to pick one. Just pick one between money, health, and relationships that you want to make a decision about today about your perception, about the joy you could have in one of those areas.
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And it just takes a simple tweak in the way you see that relationship or that health problem. That's all. It's just a small tweak in our perception that can open the door, open our minds, and open our hearts. You know, sometimes our mind is a defect of character because it just stops us. It analyzes like that.
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The brain's job is to analyze everything. Sometimes, we need to open our hearts so that our light can come out right and that we can feel that light. You know, that's what I mean by joy. Joy is a light. And you've heard stories.
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You've heard stories. You can look them up about people who are going through horrible things, and they shine their light anyway, like when someone is killed by a drunk driver or texting, and the family forgives. That's light. That's a perception. That's joy.
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Even when the circumstances aren't the way I want them, I want to give people hope that there is a way. It's just that most of us need training. We have to train our brains to think a certain way. Otherwise, it goes to default.
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And there's nothing wrong with any of us if you go to the default because we were born with the negative default. So, yeah. Let me ask you this question, though, Melanie. How?
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I noticed that you're really dedicated to saving marriages, and you talk about relationships, so I want to hone back on that a little bit. Why are you so dedicated to saving marriages? Where did that come from?
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Wow. Well, I mean, I got divorced, okay. And I was raised. You don't get divorced. You choose.
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Man, my dad would just pound this thought in that love is a choice. So when you choose to marry somebody, you choose to love them. I don't care what happens, right? Okay. And he did give a couple of stipulations, like, you know, if you're being physically beaten. Okay.
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He might say it's okay to leave that. Right, right. But for the most part. And, you know, it's not about, you know, what my dad said because it's really just what I heard. He might not have even said that.
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He might not agree with that today—I don't know—but as a kid, we might not even hear it. But that's the belief I took away. Right?
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So I had a lot of shame around getting divorced. Yeah. Okay. It felt like. I mean, it's like a death of a fairy tale, right?
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Because, you know, we read all these books—Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty, Happily Ever After—and I. There was a death of a dream. Yeah, I got married and I got divorced, and it just felt like it was this death.
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Yeah. That's great. That's where it came from. It's all part of your backstory. Let me ask you.
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So, is there a commonality among all the clients you have? Is there a common denominator for why they come to you? Is there anything specific that draws them to you? Well, I hope that it's because I'm willing to be authentic and sincere and that I have my own experience, so I feel like I attract people who have had similar experiences. Okay.
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So, I did work in the medical field. You asked me about working the medical. I worked in interventional radiology with x-rays of arteries and veins for 21 years. Okay. I was on call for the hospital.
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It was a very demanding physical, emotional, and mental job. And so I love helping people, people with medical burnout and medical professionals with burnout. My favorite thing is definitely marriage or dating and relationships because if you're not the problem, there is no solution. So I love people uncovering because it's so easy to be like, there are no guys out there. You know, we blame the opposite sex or, you know, we lose hope.
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And it's like, I like to empower people that if you can admit that you're in your own way, there is hope and there is a solution, but got to admit, you're in your own way. I can't wait to read your book, cassandra. It just sounds right up my alley. Yeah, I think you'd love it. As we wrap up, I want to talk about another thing.
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Burnout. You talk a lot about burnout. So how do you stay balanced with your daily routine? And then there was a comment in there. You said love on a tight schedule.
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These are for professionals. So where did the burnout come from? And I'm gathering the love on a tight schedule. When you're so busy professionally, it's just kind of difficult maybe to show love because love is an action. Some people work so much that they forget that they have a mate. It's not that they don't forget it, but it's not a priority.
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It's more about their profession. So what's your solution to burnout?
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I guess your daily routine so you won't get burned out because of all that you do? Yeah. Part of what I found was one of my mistakes in my first marriage was because I worked so much. Okay. My partner felt like I was never home or available because of my job.
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So I really can relate to physicians, people that work a lot and their family feels like they're not there. So what is important is that, you know, sometimes we think we don't have enough time. But again, that is a false belief. It is a perception in our mind. And so everybody has 24 hours a day, right?
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We're supposed to sleep seven to eight, you know, and a lot of us work eight to twelve, so that doesn't leave a lot. Yeah. of hours left in the day. So what I do is I help people create an AM/PM routine that doesn't take a lot of time. So in the beginning, I would.
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60 seconds, you're going to start. You're going to start tomorrow with something that fills you up. That's 60 seconds. So, it was completely like everybody had 60 seconds. You know, I love giving assignments to my clients that you do in the bathroom.
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So, because everyone has to go to the bathroom, so it also helps you remember, what am I supposed to, you know, when I go to the bathroom, what do I do? Okay. And for health professionals, like, I'll even give them the assignment of, you have to go to the bathroom during your work day because you can get so busy you won't even go to the bathroom. And I have a whole story about that, but we won't get into it. So doing something like a high five in the mirror to yourself of like, I got out of bed early today, I love you.
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You know, looking yourself in the eye and saying, I love you. There's things, you know, practicing those power poses, those body languages.
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Having body language for 60 seconds in the bathroom can change a lot. So I like giving people things that are easy to remember, simple to do, and that don't take a lot of time and you be. Your brain needs consistency, not as. It's not always quantity or time. It's like, oh, I need to self-care more.
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Oh, I need a self love. If you feel like you don't have time to do that, start with 60 seconds. We try to eat the elephant in one sitting, and it's got to do it bite by bite and admit where you are. If you're in a lot of self-hatred, then we start small, you know? Right.
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So only 1 minute in the bathroom. Smile. Right. I love you. Give yourself a high five.
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For a while, after I left the hospital and started working for myself, I had such a hard time getting out of bed. Yeah. And so I heard this high five from Melanie Robbins, who is one of my people. I just, she's someone I look up to today. Right.
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And she has a high five challenge. Right. She said, let's do a high five challenge for 30 days. And people would say the results that they were getting, and the cool thing about a high five is your brain already knows what that means. So I would just, every morning I would get, hey, high five.
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You got up out of bed, you know? You know. Yeah. Melanie, because she couldn't get out of bed either. Right.
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Yeah. So, yeah, she and I relate to that. So, you know, I relate to Melanie Robbins because there's. There's stories that she shares that are very vulnerable. Mm hmm.
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Not perfect that it's like, oh, she's like me. Right. You know, it's like there's this identity thing. So. So whenever I can, I really try to be, you know, honest and sincere and authentic and upfront about what the truth is.
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Yeah. What do you have to lose if someone finds out you're not perfect? You know, that's what people want. They want authenticity. They can relate to that.
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Yeah. Yeah. So, Melanie, I just want to thank you for all that you have said. I know my listeners have enjoyed it. We could talk all day, but we don't have that time. Right?
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Yeah, the conversation was great. And again, I love the title: If you're not the problem, there is no solution. You have provided a lot of nuggets.
00:43:29
I would say to my listeners and for my listeners, if you believe that this podcast, this topic was valuable, please share it with your loved ones, share it with your friends. Not only is it going to be on all podcast platforms, and I am live every Wednesday at 01:00 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. And, Melanie, do you have any parting words to my listeners whose way is in their way that you could share with them as we sign off?
00:44:08
There is hope. There is nothing wrong with you. There is hope. You just have to ask for it more than you probably think. People want you to succeed and be happy.
00:44:27
And you know, I know even though I don't know you. I just know from my own experience that it doesn't matter how low you've been. Look up. Yes, that's good.
00:44:43
So, Melanie, thank you so much. I don't say goodbye to my listeners or to my guests. I always say bye for now. And I always say, God bless you. And again, it was a pleasure having you on this podcast.
00:44:58
Thank you so much. It was a pleasure meeting you and having this wonderful discussion. Thank you. Yes.
