83: Interview with Hank Allen

 The scope and breadth of this interview with Hank Allen is incredible. One of the most interesting parts is when Hank shares his insights on the most dangerous time of day and location—3-6 PM and between cell towers—the conditions under which, according to Hank, he’s gone into atrial fibrillation time after time. 

We also discuss effectively opposing the installation of new cell towers, decimation his bee hive, living with electromagnetic poisoning, real estate as a low-EMF career, the rate at which we’re creating uninhabitable places, government corruption, the gap in coverage argument, captured agencies, radar, and helping people find safer housing. 

The pre-roll message published in this episode is shared with approval of the one who created the sound track, Rosalito, who's work appears at Rosalito.art

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EMF Remedy Podcast With Hank Allen

Keith Cutter 0:39

Oh , my goodness , the scope and the breadth of this interview with Hank Allen is incredible . One of the most interesting parts is where Hank shares his insights on the most dangerous time of day and location 3 pm to 6 pm and between cell towers . This is where Hank says that time after time , he's gone into atrial fibrillation . He also helps people who are working in opposition to the placement of new towers in opposition to the placement of new towers and we'll hear all about that , as well as the decimation of his beehive . Living with electromagnetic poisoning , real estate as a low-EMF career , the rate at which we're creating uninhabitable places , government corruption , the gap in coverage argument , captured agencies , radar and helping people find safer housing Coming up .

Gweneth 2:01

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Keith Cutter 2:22

your family's exposure to harmful man-made electromagnetic radiation . Our guest today is Hank Allen . Hank is an Idaho man . Alleging the radio frequency radiation emitted by a cell tower that was installed next to his home in Eagle , idaho , triggered more than 15 episodes of atrial fibrillation . With the help of Children's Health Defense , he is suing Verizon , at&t and other companies involved in the operation of the tower . Hank . Welcome to the EMF Remedy Podcast .

Hank Allen 2:54

Hi , keith , thanks for having me .

Keith Cutter 2:57

So how did you find out that you were sensitive to man-made radiation ? Can you tell us how that happened in your life ?

Hank Allen 3:08

Yeah , sure .

Hank Allen 3:09

So I've only been in Idaho about seven years and going back probably about 10 years ago , I was living down in the Bay Area of California . I was living in Santa Cruz and commuting over Highway 17 into the Silicon Valley for work . I was a general building contractor and this was right after right during the recession I started working over in the Bay Area and my commute was about two and a half hours long and we moved into a new house in Santa Cruz and we were renting the house and during my commute I was started getting these heart palpitations and they kept happening over and over and over and finally I checked myself into the Stanford hospital thinking I was , you know , having some kind of a heart attack . I didn't know what was going on and I spent time in the hospital and they kept me overnight and did a stress test , said I was fine , and so I got checked out and drove from San Jose back to my house . My heart palpitations started again . So I started kind of keeping track of where these heart palpitations were happening . And they're happening in the same place on my commute , like I had , like there's probably six different locations where they were happening , and so probably after I kind of realized this and go right , they're happening at this turn , at this point on my commute I uh , finally just pulled over on the side of the highway and started just looking , um , looking around , trying making observations , seeing if there was a I don't know a certain tree , or if there was you know plants that were growing . This had to have been an environmental thing . If I'm getting these heart palpitations at certain places in my commute .

Fighting Against Cell Tower Installation

Hank Allen 4:50

Well , after looking , the only thing I could find is there was a monopole cell tower at the first location and I kind of took notes of it with other things . And then I got back in my car and drove up to the next point where I was getting my heart palpitations . I jumped out . Sure enough , there was another cell tower there and I'm like holy cow , and I kid you , not all six locations . When I pulled over , there were cell towers and that was kind of my key .

Hank Allen 5:19

I go , there's something going on here , um , so I found that out and that kind of my key . I go , there's something going on here . So I found that out , and that kind of led down a rabbit hole of trying to find doctors . I went to my primary care doctor and asked him , told him what was going on . He thought I was crazy . And I came back , told my wife what was going on . She thought I was crazy . Pretty much everybody I told said I was crazy , crazy .

Hank Allen 5:45

And then I finally found an alternative doctor I think he was a chiropractor and he kind of knew about this and he called it , uh , electromagnetic , no , he called it microwave sickness . So that microwave sickness , and said that I need to move to canada and go live out in the middle of nowhere in order to survive and regain my health Didn't really like that prognosis . My wife didn't like it and I have three daughters and trying to be the provider for my family and being able to survive and not die of a heart attack became quite difficult , to say the least , and I didn't want to move to Canada . So we had to find a way forward to deal with this thing and it didn't work . Living in California , we were in the center of the Silicon Valley and California seems like it's always first with these movements , so they were the first to to really roll out the big you know cellular networks , and so that's where I had to make move up here to Idaho yeah wow , so did it .

Keith Cutter 6:54

Did you become , then , sensitive to more than just cell phone towers ?

Hank Allen 6:59

yeah . So when we back during the recession , we actually lost our house and we moved into a rental house that uh was a sick house . We find out it uh had a had mold um growing in . It had a stachybotrys mold that was growing in one of the hvac ducts . So whenever we turn the heater on in the house we're being exposed to stachypotrous mold and so with the two of those , I know it's a kind of a dangerous concoction . That mold reacts to the RF radiation from cell towers , wi-fi , your cell phones , and at one point I got so sensitive that even sitting next to a compact fluorescent bulb would send me into a tailspin .

Hank Allen 7:46

So we ended up instead of moving to Canada . We looked around and prayed a lot and one of my good friends from college he's a pilot for Skywest Airlines and I was telling him my situation . He goes well , why don't you go look up at Boise Boise , idaho ? He said . I got a friend who lives in Eagle and he said that that would be a good spot for you . It's kind of a rural area and go take a look and see what you find up there . So I got on a plane and flew up here to Idaho and we looked around , it took us almost a year to find a house that was out in the country . We live on two acres and we were separated from our neighbors so I didn't have to worry about Wi-Fi from neighbors and the particular house that we settled on was exactly two miles from the nearest cell tower . It was perfect and the topography , the way that our house kind of rolled out , was great and there was a lot of mature natural trees that were surrounding our property and trees were really good at shielding and shading the radiation from towers .

Hank Allen 8:57

So I did my tests and the good Lord provided a house for us up here and kind of had a change .

Hank Allen 9:04

You know , uproot , changed everything and , I kid you not , after we moved in , got our kids settled in a school , my , my health was was , I was regaining my health , getting getting back on on track , and it was almost about a year and a half , maybe two years , after we moved in I got that dreaded notice from the county saying that Verizon wanted to put a cell tower 600 yards behind my house , directly behind my house . Yeah , it was horrible . So I went to the first meeting they have , like a neighborhood community meeting , just to hear and so that the the applicants can it could talk to the neighborhood and see if anyone opposes this cell tower and of course I highly oppose it and told them about my , my condition , and they were insistent they were going to put this tower in . And that's what kind of you know led me to where I am now . We were fighting , we formed a community group and fought this thing at the county commission level .

Keith Cutter 10:10

I'm going to interrupt just for one second here . So at this initial meeting , obviously you by this time had made that correlation between , hey , this man made radiation , it hurts me , made that correlation between , hey , this man-made radiation , it hurts me , and it became really clear to you . And so you knew this about you and you made the correlations that you talked about . So when you brought that information into the meeting , did they embrace that and say , oh , my goodness , it could hurt people ? Or what was their posture , what was their response there ?

Hank Allen 10:41

It was actually the complete opposite . What was their posture ? What was that response there ? It was actually the complete opposite . That , you know , they kept using the word uh , alleged , you know this allegedly hurt you and um , uh , you know , alleged health effects and they didn't want to hear anything about it . And uh , and then they , they continued to , you know , kind of refer to me as a tin hat or a conspiracy theorist that was just concerned about health effects . And I had to , you know , go back multiple times and tell them uh-uh , this is not concerns , this is legitimate about the heart palpitations down in California and how this was my hospital , my house , my place to recover and to be away from this stuff . And now they're following me trying to put an Emily Seltz Tower in our yard and there was multiple neighbors . We assembled a group of I think it was about 10 neighbors and one of the neighbors , their child , was recovering from cancer and the majority of the people all knew the negative effects from cell towers , despite what the industry wants everyone to think .

Keith Cutter 12:53

The little advocacy that I've been doing . I don't spend much time on that . I spend my time helping people directly manage the exposures , but every place that I've seen , they're not willing to listen to that . So what happened then ? The tower ultimately got placed right .

Hank Allen 13:10

It did Absolutely so . We went to the county or local county commissioners and they approved the tower and then we , with the neighbors , we appealed their approval and that's pretty much the process that goes through here in Idaho is , once they do it , you have 15 days after the approval of of like a conditional use permit , to file an appeal . We filed the appeal and hired an attorney to represent us . We filed the appeal and hired an attorney to represent us , but our attorney didn't know a lot about the Telecommunications Act and the federal laws and how all of our you know my sharing my story and what happened and then other people sharing their story and saying you know , hey , we don't actually have self-service problems , we can use our cell phones at our house and we don't want a tower . Our county commissioners actually came back and they denied the application and they approved our appeal , but they made a small mistake on their ruling for the denial , except they put this denial in writing . Installer , which was Horizon Tower , took our county 80 county to court to a federal judge and the judge overturned the county's decision because they ruled that there was indeed a gap in coverage and there was a propagation study that we didn't , I guess fight against or we didn't . I guess fight against or we didn't try to disprove this worthless propagation study . So the tower went in , yeah , and it was a hard lesson and that kind of takes us through a point that the whole process of trying to get this tower denied took about a year .

Hank Allen 15:19

Going through the process and we and , honestly , once the county commissioners said that they , uh , when they they made their official ruling and denied the cell tower , I thought the thing was over and I go hey , victory , we won . You know they , they stopped the cell tower and , unbeknownst to myself , this all went to court . There was a lawsuit and the Horizon Tower took Ada County to court and that's when they got this thing overturned . So it was probably four months after that I got a notice in the mail from Ada County saying sorry , hey , we tried our best , we lost in court and the cell tower is going in . So the judge overturns the county commissioner's decision .

Hank Allen 16:04

So the judge overturns the , the county commissioner's decision and we were ready to basically barricade this , uh , this construction site and I had semi trucks lined up that we were going to go out as soon as they , the the crew , showed up to put the cell tower in , uh , that we were going to stop this thing , just with nonviolent disobedience , right , and saying it doesn't belong here , we don't want it here and it's not going in . And I tell you what the day the truck showed up was the day of the lockdown for COVID . Literally comes on the news lockdown COVID , this wild disease that's going to kill everybody . Lockdown COVID's . This , this , you know , wild disease , it's going to kill everybody , stay home . And they had the mandatory lockdown and the truck showed up . So we were thinking that , you know , as everyone not knowing how bad the COVID was going to be , and you know we were all afraid for our children and for everybody's life . And but yet here comes the , the Verizon trucks with their drill rigs to put this , this antenna in . Can't be a coincidence , right , that they were all very confident that they were safe going out . And you know there was probably a 20 man crew out there getting ready to start the construction work for the stealth tower , all on the day of the lockdown . It was amazing , right .

Hank Allen 17:23

So we decided to hang tight . You know , being EHS or having this , this , this illness , it puts a lot of strain on your family and I was just trying as hard as I can to hold my family together . My wife , poor thing . We've had to move now from California . We left all our family behind , and she loves our house , loves where we live , and so we both prayed about it and said let's just stay put , and who knows if the radiation is going to really affect me that bad , let's just pretend like it's not going and there's nothing we can do . We've done everything we can . Let's just , you know , pretend like it's not going and there's nothing we can do . We've done everything we can . Let's just see what's going to happen . Well , now we go .

Hank Allen 18:05

It took them almost a year to finish the construction of the of the cell tower and to get all their permitting and everything and then to finally turn it on . So now we were the spring of the following year and I was sitting up at my , my second story bedroom about four o'clock in the afternoon and all of a sudden my heart starts jumping out of my chest and just going crazy . And it scared me and I'm like , oh , something's going on . And my wife she , we're getting ready to go out and show some houses and she's looking at me . She goes oh , come on , you're just you got're , just you got another one of those things going on and I'm all . No , this one's different , this is , this is major .

Hank Allen 18:45

So I kind of sat there and breathe for a while I think it will go away and after about 30 minutes I started getting really cold and I'm like I need to go to the hospital

Health Impacts of Cell Towers

Hank Allen 18:53

. So I went down and jumped into my truck and and went to the hospital and told him what was going on and they the the lady at the checkout uh window , she goes hold on a second and she , she came on and hooked me up and she rushed me to the back and there was a line there was probably 20 people in the hospital waiting room and she rushed me to the back and , um , they ended up cardioverting me . That's where they in the old movies , they have little paddles and they stick on you . Well , nowadays they just put a pad over the front of your chest , on the back of your chest , and they knock you out and then , you know , wallop you with I don't know how many joules of energy to get your heart going back in . And they did that three times and they woke me up and said okay , you're cured , go home . Three times and then woke me up and said okay , you're cured , go home .

Hank Allen 19:49

Oh , so I I went home and , uh , I got home , I was scared to death , you know , and I was explaining what was going on and telling my kids . I thought I was going to orphan my kids that day and leave my wife and it it sucked . So it was a day later and I have a hive of bees in my backyard between my house and where the cell tower went in . And I bought the bees about two years prior and I kind of put them out there it's kind of like the canary in the coal mine , if you would because I knew the bees were affected by the stuff . And I go , I wonder if that cell tower went out or was turned on . And that's what was causing my aphid .

Hank Allen 20:31

And I went out and opened up the box . My entire hive of bees was decimated , every one of them dead hive of bees was decimated , every one of them dead . So that was the day after my AFib . And then , while I was checking the bees , I ended up going into AFib again because it was in my backyard , and rushed back to the hospital . And then they did a different treatment . They gave me a bunch of drugs and within about two hours they were able to get me back into normal sinus rhythm . So my bees died the same time that I started going to AFib . Yeah , that's a long story for a quick answer , a long answer to your simple question .

Keith Cutter 21:23

I'm glad you did include all of those details . So your life was upended when you were living in California , I'm sure , and you haven't even talked about this dimension , but for me , when I experienced this kind of poisoning , I got to the point where I was almost completely disabled and , for the first time in my life , unable to work . What was it like in the dimension of provider for the family ?

Hank Allen 21:52

Hmm , um , scary , you know , um , I I would . Yeah , it was really scary . So I've been a general building contractor for my whole life and I grew up in a very conservative uh old school , if you would uh kind of upbringing where the the husband was the breadwinner and the wife was stay-at-home . My mom was a stay-at-home mom that took care of us and that's kind of what I had a vision for my family . And so I had come up to Idaho thinking I was going to start my own construction business .

Hank Allen 22:36

But I was still sick and I would go out to bid on a job or even drive downtown and I would . I'd be around uh other cell towers or people's wi-fi in their house and I would get so lethargic and tired and I'd get brain fog and then I'm worried about going to afib , um , I'd start getting heart palpitations . So it was a real trying time . But thank God , my wife she's a go-getter and she stepped up and she got her real estate license , started a real estate business and I quickly joined her within about a year so I was able to start selling real estate , which actually kind of works really good for people with EHS .

Hank Allen 23:23

So I have my house , which I shielded from the cell tower . My backyard is destroyed , but my house I made a sanctuary for myself and that gave me a safe harbor from the cell tower radiation and a safe place to kind of operate and then I can go out in small bursts to go do my job . But yeah , it's scary , it's really scary . I feel like my world is collapsing around me as the cell towers keep expanding and they put more and more in like a small small thing . They put one on the high school where my kids go to school , so I can't go watch them play tennis and the idea of not being able to go to my kids high school graduation because I can't stand it . I could be out there for maybe about 10-15 minutes and then I start feeling it and I almost want to just fall asleep and I know that I'll be affected .

Keith Cutter 24:18

You know , the day after and it just my whole day will be shot yeah , yeah , it's almost like we're creating uninhabitable places and most , most people aren't aware of it . You know , it's interesting in I don't know if you read , uh , dr robert becker's book the body , but it was either in that book or his book Cross Currents that he stated unequivocally that neither people nor animals could feel this kind of radiation . And yet you and I have both experienced feeling it in a really bad way , and I've met many , many , many other people who are experienced , and I don't know if that's just an increase in the radiation levels in our society or the effect that it's having over time , but yeah , it sure does feel . I mean , you can't even go visit your children at school and watch their games and whatnot . More and more space is being taken away from , I might say , people in general , but it's the people who are able to feel it that they know they can't be in that place without suffering ill effects from it . What are your thoughts on that ?

Hank Allen 25:38

um , yeah , the the world is is collapsing around us .

Government Corruption in Wireless Industry

Hank Allen 25:43

Um , and you know my thoughts , it kind of goes to these you know the wireless industry , honestly , and how corrupt our , how corrupted our government regulating agencies have become , you know . And so when you , when you ask that question , I go well , gosh , someone's got to be able to see this . It's not just me . There are literally 10s of 1000s of people that are suffering from this and we all keep going hey , I'm out , we got problems here , right , stop . Um , like even boise , so our , our , our , uh , the the city just down down from me , boise , is the 5g test city , right , where they're gonna roll out 5g and we're gonna be like this test model , right . So I would show up to the boise City Council meetings with a group from our Idaho Interest Safe Technology and explain to the city council how , hey , we're a test city , I'm a test subject and this isn't working . I can't go to downtown Boise anymore . This is messing us up . Let's stop , let's put on the brakes . And more testing needs to happen here , because people are getting injured and there's probably a way where we can .

Hank Allen 27:01

We can have cell coverage , be able to send text message , but you're not killing people , or or , or , um , I guess discriminating against , um , a large segment of the population who this stuff makes sick , and they didn't want to hear any part about it . They did not want it . And actually we tried to propose zoning regulations to help better their zoning regulations to thoughtfully place cell towers , and the city council and their mayor went the opposite way . And what they did is they said well , you know what ? We can't regulate this stuff and we don't want to regulate it , so we're going to strip all of our regulations and let Verizon put cell towers wherever they want .

Hank Allen 27:49

So in the city of Boise they can put a . If you live in an apartment complex , they come and mount a cell tower to the side of your building and there's nothing you can say or do about it . If you have like a public right away in front of your house , they can put a cell tower in front of your house and there is nothing you can say . There's not even an appeal process , there's not a conditional use permitting process . They sold out completely 100 percent to Verizon . And it's really sad , sad , it's horrible what's going on . Um , they just , they just don't want to see it now .

Keith Cutter 28:24

You did have some , some victories with regard to forestalling the placement of self towers before this , this , this current um era . I I did not know that things had devolved to that extent in Boise . That's just horrible . But tell us about some of the victories that you did have after the placement of the tower around your place and before this current era .

Hank Allen 28:53

Sure . So after we learned the mistakes that we made on our cell tower the one behind my house that threw me an AFib and I went back and looked through the consent judgment order from that federal judge that overturned a ruling . Basically there is the propagation study that this thing was like a computer-generated finger paint drawing . That we didn't contest that and we just thought , oh well , it's an RF engineer from Verizon , he has to know what he's talking about and all of us are too dumb to even understand what this thing meant . Well , when we looked a little bit closer , that was the um . That was the hinge point for our , our loss . It was a fatal loss that this stupid uh drawing is what uh allowed the judge to overturn this case . So , um , about I don't know .

Hank Allen 29:55

Six months later , later there was a tower that was being proposed in downtown Star and a guy reached out to me and goes hey , I see you guys have done some work and you guys are kind of into this . I'd like to appeal this conditional use permit on this new proposed tower in Star . So we helped him out and looked at at what the um , what the applicant the tower applicant was was providing and uh , one said hey , your propagation study doesn't hold water , this is just a fictitious , a piece of paper or a piece of artwork , and you haven't really done any true calculations . And then went out and did a site survey and lo and behold , there's an existing tower about a mile to the north , up on top of a ridge . And I go , well , would it be much better to co-locate and put your antennas up on top of this existing tower ? And of course they don't want to do that because they want to build a tower and make money on the new tower . And our county commissioners looked at that and they go well , yeah , that makes a lot of sense . Let's , let's co-locate first before to fill any kind of gaps in coverage and then , and then , if there's still a gap in coverage , put a new tower in . So they went with that that line and they ruled on that way and said that they didn't prove a gap in coverage , um , and we were victorious . So they denied the cell tower , um , and the applicant went away and there was no federal lawsuit and star was was saved on that one um .

Hank Allen 31:35

And then , most recently , up in Bonner County , up in Northern Idaho , same things going on where an applicant , a cell tower applicant wanted to install , uh , a new , new tower and he , he wants in-home wireless is what he wanted to put his cell towers on there . But they use this , um , uh , they use Verizon wireless . It's kind of like the Trojan horse to get these things in because they're protected by the 96 Telecommunications Act . And so , through the community up in Bonner County they were able to hire a local land use attorney and they appealed the approval of this cell tower , appealed the approval of this cell tower and is still working its way through the appeal process . But through the grace of God , the one commissioner and I say one commissioner and a half agreed to postpone their approvals or disapprovals until they get more information to really verify if there's truly a gap in coverage . So it's possible to stop these things as long as there's existing cell coverage in your community .

Keith Cutter 32:46

So it seems to me that the key to your victory down in the Boise area , with that situation you were just talking about , was knowing how to argue , and then also public support , like packing the hearing room .

Hank Allen 33:09

Yeah , packing the hearing room and giving the people who show up in the hearing room the right arguments . Right , because unfortunately , the FCC and the wireless industry has created laws that don't allow us to look at health effects from wireless radiation . It's crazy , it's absolutely stupid . They go oh no , no , fcc knows everything and they're going to take care of this , trust us . And you can't argue health and safety and that you know like simply saying , hey , the cell tower they put in killed my bees through mid AFib and if your county commissioners rule on that , you'll lose .

Keith Cutter 33:58

Is there evidence that the FCC is a captured agency ?

Hank Allen 34:05

I'm sure all of your viewers know the answer to that question . Of course they're captured , gosh . Oh yeah , so you go to our website . I have that whole article . The FCC is a captured agency , but from the top down . Children's Health Defense , I want to say it was in 20 .

Hank Allen 34:22

So four years ago , three years ago , they won a landmark lawsuit against the FCC , you know , showing I don't know how many hundreds of cases of independent , peer reviewed scientific research showing harm from RF radiation , and the judges ruled that the FCC is . Their rulings are arbitrary and capricious . I'm not an attorney and I had to look those two words up , what that means . But basically their findings from the FCC is unsubstantiated and there's a lot of information out there that shows that there is harm and things that are happening to myself and other people like you who are listening to this . So when you look at the FCC , the is a chairman or commissioners and there's four commissioners that are that oversee the FCC . There it's a revolving door with the wireless industry . So you look at the last chair . He was the head attorney for Verizon and then the second chair , head attorney for AT&T . So these guys go and spend their time on the FCC board , get their agendas passed and then they swap with the next guy who's coming from the industry .

Hank Allen 35:38

So it's a classic . You know , fox guarding the hen house , and they're trying to control all the rules they they've . Um , you know , anytime we go to fight these cell towers they go oh well , our radiation will be below the fcc maximum limits . And so now you have the the fox saying oh yeah , it's okay , leave the doors open , open to the hen house . And particularly between you know , I don't know , we get hungry about 6 o'clock in the morning and leave all these things open . And that's the ruling agency . It's insane and totally ludicrous . So yeah , we have a problem and multiple regulatory agencies within our federal government . They're all captured by the industry that they're supposed to be regulating .

Keith Cutter 36:26

you know so the really distasteful part about winning right now in having a cell phone tower not placed in your neighborhood , the really distasteful part from my perspective is you can't state the obvious truth , you can't make any kind of plain claim of harm or what it's done to your livestock or what it's done to your pets or what it's done to anybody really right now , and you can't argue about these things . You can argue about whether or not there is a significant gap in coverage and whether or not they have proven that , not through some computer-generated fantasy of a diagram that proves their case , but through a literal drive test with a hopefully third-party technician and a car full of equipment driving around the service area or planned service area and demonstrating number of lost calls and that there is no signal and whatnot . So do you want to touch on that ? And then how that relates to the broadband versus what's covered in the 96 regulation with regard to voice communication ?

Hank Allen 38:01

looked at , I felt very ill-equipped that I'm not an electrical engineer and I don't have the background to understand this stuff . And so we immediately started looking for RF engineers . They could come and be professional witnesses and do the testing for us . Well , unfortunately , all the RF engineers out there work for the wireless industry and they're not going to bite the hand that feeds them . And so if you ask an RF engineer , you know what's going on . You know we've actually had a couple come and show up and they start off .

Hank Allen 38:34

You know originally .

Hank Allen 38:35

You know initially talking about everything you know about RF engineering and all these reports and studies that are available .

Hank Allen 38:41

They know about RF engineering and all these you know reports and studies that are available . But then , after we get to our second or third commissioner hearing , and if they see where this is going and they get a call from big brother slapping their hand , you watch these guys turn on a dime and start backpedaling and go oh well , you know we have to look at this at a very simplistic level and you know a cell tower provider wouldn't be out there putting a cell tower in unless there was a need , right . But so I guess where I'm going with that is that if you want to stop a cell tower in your neighborhood , somebody needs to figure this stuff out and be able to digest information and make a good argument whether or not the information provided by the applicant is relevant or not . So I put some of this information on our website and , if you don't mind , keith , I'd like to share my screen and show you kind of where we have the information for your viewers to dive in and educate themselves .

Keith Cutter 39:48

Absolutely . Please do share that , because I think that the message here that people need to take away is to have success . It is not going to come from some centralized organization . Some centralized organization . Having success means that you who are listening to this , if you're motivated to take some action , you need to take the action in your local community if you're going to have any success . So , yeah , if you could just explain what Idahoans for Safe Technology is and then maybe take us through some of what's on there .

Hank Allen 40:20

Sure . So after this whole process happened and the cell tower next to my house went in , the local community group that I was working with , my neighbors basically started the Idahoans for Safe Technology and it started off with just a website to try to rally community support . Start off with just a website to try to rally community support and then , as time has gone on , we incorporated into a 501C nonprofit and then we've just kind of been an advocacy group trying to just share what we've learned and how these processes go so that we can make it public knowledge . So you can , you can learn from the mistakes that we made . So if you go to Idahoansforsafetechnologyorg , you come to our homepage and you can sign up . If you want to donate . All of the money donated it's a full tax write-off and we only spend money on helping stop cell towers and it basically goes to attorney fees and appeal applications to assist communities right now here in Idaho on stopping these things . So there's a little bio on who we are , wireless information and you'll see a thing like our wireless information blog and

Cell Tower Placement and Health Effects

Hank Allen 41:46

there's a post that I just created here . It's how to manage cell tower placement in your town . So you click on that post and there's an explanation , you know , kind of shortly describing the situation we talked about . You know what do you do once you receive a notice that they're going to put a cell tower . You see one of those signs out in front of a lot . There's going to be a county commissioner's hearing and you want to start the process . And then the first step is to understand what the federal laws are right and that comes back to I think it's Chapter 47 of USC 32A and it goes into the Telecommunications Act that affect this . And basically the number one thing is you have to look at authority right and understand , even though this is written backwards , that your state and local government is the regulatory body in charge of placement , construction and modification of cell towers , and most local county commissioners and your city councils , they want to punt . Your city councils , they want to punt . They don't believe because of the .

Hank Allen 43:05

The attorneys from the wireless industries told them that they'll get sued If they , if they , deny a cell tower . There's nothing they can do . And they've been brainwashed and thinking their hands are tied , there's nothing you can do when in reality the telecommunications act gives them the sole authority to dictate where these things go . But they put a couple of restrictions on them and you'll go through here and basically it talks about that their decision to deny a cell tower can't effectively prohibit wireless service . So that's saying that there has to be coverage . So if you can make a phone call on your cell phone , there's coverage . And usually Verizon , at&t and T-Mobile have to have wireless coverage so they can send a text and make a call .

Hank Allen 43:54

And then there's some more information here about they have to rule on these things within a timely period . They call out a shot clock . So usually from the time that a wireless applicant puts in an application for a new cell tower , they have about 120 days to give them a notice . I think it's 90 days that your local municipality has to give them written notice . And then the number three any denials have to be put in writing and the local oh , with substantial evidence . This is the part that got us . They put substantial evidence on our case and put it in writing . But the ruling didn't address the gap in coverage . So I put the key points in here , all the stuff I kind of reiterated . You know what you have to kind of capture .

Hank Allen 44:55

And then I have links in here to look at the Eagle Tower that we lost on the Skyview Tower . You can see the conditional use permit application and the consent judgment order from the judge . And then I have all the information on the Star cell tower here . Click on this link . This is the one that the commission about a year and a half later is . A year and a half later no , I guess it was more than that , it was 18 . So it's four years later . They actually denied a cell tower based on co-location and they can easily co-locate . This one was successful , so you can see a successful application go .

Hank Allen 45:37

And then I've got examples of a drive test and then I actually put a video link here . So this is the Bonner County Commissioner's hearing that we just went through last week or April 18th , so maybe it was two weeks ago and it's a long video , it's about three hours , but this is probably one of the best laid out appeals that we've done so far . And the community up there . They hired a federal cell tower attorney that pretty much knowsko , who's phenomenal , and he's the one who got up and he made the case and had the connections there and then you could hear the local community and you can also hear the commissioners at the end deliberating over the cell tower , and this is a great one . I know it's three hours , but anyone that's embarking on this , I highly suggest that you watch this video from start to end .

Keith Cutter 46:48

Fantastic . Yeah , thank you for going through all of that .

Hank Allen 46:51

I know it's long winded , I'm sorry .

Keith Cutter 46:53

No , no , we need this level of detail , and yet this is just an introduction . This is just an introduction . If you want to take action , it's going to be on the local level and you can leverage all of this information . Check out the website . You want to give that URL for the website one more time .

Hank Allen 47:12

Sure , it is IdahoansforSafeTechnologyorg , and you all in other states are welcome to access that as well . Right , I want to show you one other really interesting thing . Do we have time still , keith ?

Keith Cutter 47:26

Yeah , and before we quit , I want to tell people about . You know , so often when people have been damaged , their life has been upended and they actually survive and they're changed , and what they're doing changes , and now you and your wife are able to help people who are looking for a safe place . So I want to close with that , but go ahead and , yeah , what you were going to , what you were going to add .

Hank Allen 47:52

So , for a hobby , I like to elk hunt , and so I have a Onyx on my my cell phone , which is always an airplane mode , but with , with my , with my Onyx on my my cell phone , which is always an airplane mode , but with with my , uh , with my onyx , I can drop gps pins . So after like the about the I don't know , I'd say , the fifth time I went in afib , I started dropping pins on my um , on my onyx , of the locations and the times that I went into AFib . Well , take a look at this . So this is basically Ada County , right through here . This is just an aerial map . And then this is on our website and this , right here , is the location of the cell tower they put in right . You can wheel in here and you can see there's a cell tower , that's the one that went in . And here's my house , where I live , and all these little red things that look like , you know , ekg . Those are all the places that I went into AFib , around my house . Ekg , those are all the places that I went into AFib around my house . And I was thinking , okay , I'm just going AFib around my house , but I started looking at my hospital records and it turned out that I was only going in AFib between three o'clock and six o'clock in the evening .

Hank Allen 49:16

I wasn't going to AFib at other times . It was always these these times in the evening and it was kind of interesting . It was I'd go like maybe three weeks and then I go nafeb again and I'm like there's got to be something going on . I kept talking to engineering buddies . They go , you got to keep searching . So I started plotting all this stuff and I plotted this other cell tower that's way over here this is the one that I was saying was like two miles away from my house , out here at the dog park and just looking for any kind of correlation , I drew a line between these two massive cell towers . Well , what I'm finding is during peak cell tower or cell phone usage , when people are commuting home , everyone's using their cell phones . These towers are talking to one another and they're using this 5G technology or beam forming technology . Well , lo and behold , they're sending a beam right through my house , this beam of energy , and so if I happen to be in my backyard at , you know , four o'clock in the evening and there's a lot of frequency going between these two towers . That's when I was going to AFib . That's when I get walloped . So if I avoid my backyard early in the mornings and that evening time , I'm pretty safe and I have a vest I wear now when I go in the backyard to shield me .

Hank Allen 50:35

And what kind of clued me into this is I was coming down , I kind of put this together , and then I was coming down here and I was down on State Street and I was stuck in a stoplight right here . I was making a left-hand turn off of State Street onto West State Street and right there I went in AFib . I think this is my eighth time going AFib and I go . Oh , there it goes . There's my theory that I was kind of working on with Sean .

Hank Allen 51:02

Well , I came home , I'd marked the place and then I drew a line between this , uh , cell tower behind my house and there's one out here in Eagle Island Park and , lo and behold , right where I went to , afib was right on the line between these two cell towers . So I talked to our local mayor and he said hey , why don't you do me a favor ? Let me put a little post on next door and talk about ? Don't talk about cell towers , but just make a post . So what I did is I went on and I'll show you right here , um , so I'm going to go back to our website . I'm going here and um , there's a post right here . It's called 5g cell tower , eagle , eagle , idaho , suspected in AFib injuries my investigation . I have a video here where I show the bees that died in my backyard and everything that I've kind of been experiencing . This is all of the information , the readings in my backyard , but this is the really , really , and there's a picture of me with my gown when I was getting my EKGs in the hospital . So here's that next door post .

Hank Allen 52:20

I said AFib heart palpitations in Eagle , idaho . Have you or do you know somebody in or around Eagle that has started experiencing heart flutters or developed AFib within the last couple of months ? My doctor thinks this is a possible environmental link to my recent AFib episodes and I'm attempting to identify triggers . I have gone into AFib five times in the past two months between 4 and 5 pm , also having heart palpitations at night while sleeping on my side . And look at these people . That wrote back , elizabeth , I did two days ago . I have an appointment with my doctor this week to see about it . I'm only 26 years old and you can see the correspondence . Here's one from Terry that lives down the street .

Hank Allen 53:08

I spent the winter in Palm Springs and two days after returning here I had suddenly heart palpitations and short of breath , was sent me to the ER , spent a few hours there and after being cleared for pulmonary embolism , I was sent home Two days later .

Hank Allen 53:25

It was even worse . And finding this over and over and look at these people all with their stories this was a next-door post that literally was on next door for about a week , and all these people in our community are having the same symptoms , so it's pretty major . So , anyways , you guys want to check that out and draw some of your links . I actually took all this information , went to our , to the health department what's it called ? Uh , ada , county public health department , and I I wrote a white paper , um , and I also sent this to our , our health insurance company , saying hey , you know , you have spent over a hundred thousand dollars on a , on an ablation surgery for me , plus all these ER visits , and I think that these wireless cell towers are causing people to go into AFib Look what's going on here in Eagle and the insurance company said they can't go after damages to the wireless industry , so it's shocking to me what the feedback I'm getting on this thing yeah .

Hank Allen 54:37

So anyways that's the story , and you want to talk about what my wife and I are doing .

Keith Cutter 54:42

Yeah , I would like to talk about

Safe Hobby Farm Real Estate

Keith Cutter 54:45

that . So , with what you've shown so far and these self-towers and potentially working in concert with one another , one thing that's became clear to me in my work is that terrain becomes the ultimate consideration for some place that you want to live forever , and half-peace from the type of radiation putting up in these towers is to be able to live in what I call a wrinkle in the earth , and they are not easy to find . Not everybody is going to want to drive a little bit further or have a little less convenience in terms of being in service areas , which means areas that have a sea of unnatural , man-made radiation . But , um , you and your wife are doing something unique to be able to help people and , if you could , you could talk about what you're doing , what you guys are doing right now sure , um , so let's do this .

Hank Allen 55:50

So my wife and I we're both realtors and we have our company . It is called Sea to Farm Real Estate and we're based here in the Treasure Valley . So let me go back over here . I'll share with you again who we are Share . So here we are , seatofarmcom , and there's a picture of my wife I don't know what's . The website doesn't look right . There's myself and my family and you kind of see a little bit about us and there's a little contact page in here , seedaffarmcom , and one of our or my , I guess hobbies that I've taken up is hobby farms , and I love , I think it's very therapeutic to for me , rather than focusing all the time on my EHS and what I can't do is to have animals and cows and pigs and chickens to , um , you know , change the way I eat and how I provide for my family . So , um , in doing that , we also help other people who are relocating to to Idaho find hobby farms and also like what .

Hank Allen 57:09

What Keith is talking about is , um , looking for homes that are are safe for people to live , and what Keith is talking about is the topography . Like our house just happened . That , with the rolling topography of our house is on a little bit of a rise and the cell tower , the new cell tower , was on a little bit of a decline and they put in a short tower and the other cell tower so we kind of get hit not only in a straight line but on a on the on the vertical we're right in the line of fire . But if you can find a house where maybe you're , you're , you're backed up to a hillside and the the nearest cell tower could be right above you , up on top of a of a cliff , but now you're not in the line between the two cell towers , you're not getting nuked all the time or to go , you know , maybe a little further out of out of , uh , out of town and be down in a lull in a valley rather than being up on top of the of a hill where you have beautiful views and sunsets , right . So if you can get down low and also have trees around you where you're taking advantage of the natural topography and um and vegetation to help block rf radiation , that's ultimately the best place to live . It blocks you from not only you you know the RF radiation but wind out .

Hank Allen 58:36

Here in Idaho you were in the desert and you get up too high on a , on a beautiful , you know ridge . It looks really nice , but you can't go outside because it's too , it's too cold and windy . And then also we have the , the Boise airport . It's about a 20 minute drive and the radar from that airport , I mean you get up on that , the mountain peaks here , and you could pick that radar up . You see it on your meter as it goes , as those radar booms go around . So ultimately , finding um , an area that's shaded with natural topography and vegetation is ultimately what we're all looking for . It's expensive , you know , looking for those things , they're either going to come completely undeveloped , so you have to go out and you know , bring power and water into a remote facility , or they'll be there , but they're going to be large estates and a big farm . So trying to find them it's kind of a needle in the haystack , but it's probably the ultimate place to end up . Yeah .

Keith Cutter 59:43

Fantastic . Well , hank , I just want to thank you for spending time with us today and talking about the Idahoans for Safe Technology . Talking about the Idahoans for Safe Technology , which can be a helpful resource for folks that are looking to maybe turn the tide on the placement of new cell phone towers in their own communities and Seed to Farm , where you guys are doing something really unique with regard to distributed food production and even at a family level . So , hank , thank you so much for being with us today on the podcast . Appreciate it .

Hank Allen 1:00:17

Oh , you're welcome . Thank you for having me . God bless you .

Keith Cutter 1:00:19

Yeah , god bless you .

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