Building on the American Heritage Series: A Republic that Stands

Unlock the truth behind global governance and its implications for individual freedom as we sit down with Congresswoman Michele Bachmann. Our enlightening conversation will challenge the dangerous narrative that all government systems are equally effective. Discover why the American system's stability and success stand out in a world where too many nations endure the chaos of frequent leadership upheavals and constitutional crises. The prevalence of totalitarian regimes and the vital importance of parental engagement in education take center stage in our dynamic discussion.

Imagine a world where casting a single vote or having a conversation with your local representative could reshape the political landscape. We discuss the significant influence of civic engagement in governance and policy-making, drawing from biblical wisdom to underscore the value of godly leadership. Our episode peels back the layers of democracy, distinguishing it from a constitutional republic, and navigates the murky waters of theocracy, contrasting them with America's unique electoral system. Learn how our founding principles, rooted in historical and religious context, can guide us in selecting capable leaders and safeguarding our liberty.

Be inspired to raise your voice and take action as we highlight the weight of personal involvement in upholding the pillars of our freedom. We emphasize the approachability of political engagement, demystifying the process and encouraging listeners to engage with elected officials into their communities. By sharing insights on how to influence policy and hold officials accountable, we aim to empower you to play a pivotal role in shaping the future of governance. Join us on this journey to deepen your understanding of the critical intersection between government types, individual rights, and active citizenship.

Transcript

Rick Green

Welcome to the intersection of faith in the culture. It's WallBuilders and it is Super Tuesday, so people are voting all over the nation today in the primaries. Encourage you to vote. If you're in one of those states participating on Super Tuesday, like my home state of Texas, get out there and vote and vote in an informed fashion. Make sure you take a good voter guide in there. Make sure that you're either going to ChristianVoterGuide.com or iVoterGuide.com and taking those into the booth with you to celebrate our big Super Tuesday voting day, we're going to play today from our Foundations of Freedom programs with Michelle Bachman how do we keep a republic, how do we save a republic, how do we make this work going into the future? And obviously voting a big part of that. So let's jump right in. Here's Michelle Bachman and David Barton on Foundations of Freedom. 

David Barton

Welcome to Foundations of Freedom, where we look back at important aspects of our common, shared heritage, about which most folks today hear absolutely nothing. Joining me today is our co-host, congresswoman Michelle Bachman. Congresswoman Bachman is a federal tax attorney. She's a very successful businesswoman. She's also a very successful mom, having raised five of her own kids and 23 foster kids, and she's also a member of Congress and serves on the House Intelligence Committee, which really is in charge of all of our national secrets. So a very important responsibility. Michelle, it's great to have you. Thank you for being here with us.

Michele Bachmann

Thank you, it's great to be back again. This is an exciting subject today because we're talking about the best government. We've seen a lot of the worst governments over history and over time. We'll talk about that, but we're talking about the best government and I think there's. The Bible has a lot to say about that.

David Barton

You know it's amazing, the Bible actually covers different forms of government. Which ones work well and which ones don't? 

Michele Bachmann

Let’s take a question. I think we have some people who have a question for you today.

Question

Every nation in the world has governments, and those governments seem to work well for those people, but it doesn't work the same for all people. So variety is good, but why push one form of government over another form of government?

Michele Bachmann

You know, David, I don't know that that's exactly true that all governments work for people, because just ask people living in China, ask people who are living in Russia today, ask a woman who is living in Iran how that's working for her. I don't know that every government really is equal. Isn't that called a philosophy of relativism? Talk about it.

David Barton

It is, but we really teach that a lot. I'm appointed in a lot of states by state boards of education governors to do social studies standards in those states and when you look at what's in the textbooks, one of the things that we're teaching, apparently we don't want anyone to feel bad about anything they do, so we're telling kids oh, all governments work well. One of the textbooks that was brought for adoption, Texas, said that the best form of government ever invented the history of mankind is communism. Really?

Michele Bachmann

Why in the world would a textbook writer put that in when it's so patently obvious? We have people today living under communism who are being killed. Look at North Korea.

David Barton

That's right. But the problem we have is what we don't do in schools today is we don't have any type of accountability to show what works and what doesn't work. We put the ideas out there and never judge them, and Jesus said to judge a tree by its fruits. And the problem we have today is we have political leaders now some of the ones that you've had to deal with say oh, every nation is exceptional, every nation is a power. Our president said that.

Michele Bachmann

Our president said that.

Davi Barton

That’s right. Professors say America is no different from any of the nations.

Michele Bachmann

In fact, the President of Russia recently said that Russia is an exceptional nation. Maybe for the wrong thing.

David Barton

By that standard. Now let's just go through some governments real quick here. America we've had one form of government since 1789, our Constitution, we have, we have. We have same period of time. Fratz has had 16 constitutions. Same period of time. Haiti has had 23 constitutions since 1801. Venezuela has had 25 constitutions since 1811. Brazil has had seven constitutions since 1822. Ecuador has 20 since 1830. The Philippines, seven since 1899. You go to Russia Four constitutions since 1918. Poland, seven since 1919. Nigeria, nine since 1922. Afghanistan, six since 1923. Iraq, four since 1925. South Africa, five since 1931. Thailand, 17 since 1932. South Korea, great ally, six constitutions since 1948. China, four since 1954. Ghana, four since 1957.

Michele Bachmann

 Which you're telling us is there's a common thread? 

David Barton

There's a common thread, and the common thread is that not all nations work, not all governments work. Now we've gone through a bunch of nations here and they all have 

Michele Bachmann

Instability, instability.

David Barton

Instability is what's common, it's true. 

Michele Bachmann

Up and down Egypt, as a matter of fact, has been rewriting its constitution. I was over there meeting with their judiciary committee that, as it was rewriting it, turmoil is the norm.

David Barton

That's right, it's a norm.

Michele Bachmann

And in a lot of these countries, when you have a change of government, someone dies it's an assassination or they get chased out of the country and they die. That's a very typical we have only known as a normative stability. Stability so that when we have a presidential inauguration, sure you see a lot of ads on TV and a lot of kerfuffling for a couple of years. Sometimes it goes on, but no one dies. 

David Barton

No one dies. 

Michele Bachmann

We have a fairly smooth transition of power. That isn't the way the world works. People don't realize that

David Barton

In America, when you go to a political meeting, nobody walks into that meeting expecting rebel forces coming with machine guns and open fire on them.

Michele Bachmann

Well, that's right or like. For instance, we hear a lot in the news about Israel and Gaza. Take a look at Gaza. In Gaza, there was a one election when Hamas came in and there were supposed to be continuous elections afterwards. That doesn't happen. There was never one again.

David Barton

That's right. The one thing that particularly secular progressive people don't like to do is measure results. I've got a great idea. Does it work or not? Well, I don't know, but it's a great idea.

Michele Bachmann

Well, you want to talk about different forms of government Totalitarianism. Let's go ahead and get a definition of that, I think, one that we've seen recently with a lot of the Islamic jihad uprisings. One thing that they call for is what's called a caliphate, where a caliph or one person is running that form of its government. That's totalitarianism. Give me another example of totalitarianism.

David Barton

The key to a totalitarian government is that it's very centralized and it doesn't tolerate differences of opinion.

Michele Bachmann

Isn't that interesting? Hey, isn't that interesting? That's sounding more familiar, isn't it? Because, as we talked about in previous episodes, we talked about how, for a creator, god, who made all of man in his image and likeness, his main goal was to lift up the individual and give us maximum freedom. It sounds to me, David, like you're saying under totalitarianism, it is the least amount of freedom.

David Barton

It's one of those that have beliefs in them, and that's exactly right.

Michele Bachmann

Because a centralized government-.

David Barton

They don't want individuals. They don't want individual opinions. We'll tell you what to believe. Now, you have a lot of that in the Bible as well, because you had the emperors in the Bible. You had the Caesars that were in the Bible, the pharaohs. All of those are totalitarian governments and those type of governments still exist across the world. Bible covers that it is not a good form of government to have. We can point to a lot of nations in the world that have that form of government. It's not a fun government to be in.

Michele Bachmann

It's not a fun form of government. I think just an interesting statistic that the 20th century was the bloodiest century in all of recorded human history. There's a book that came out by RJ Rommel called Death by Government. It cataloged the millions upon millions of people who were killed, millions of people who were killed by Stalin in Russia, millions of people who were killed by Mao in the former communist regime still communist, but the former regime under Mao Tse-Tung and also other governments. A lot and all Looking at potentially 100 million people killed by totalitarian governments.

David Barton

By the way, talking about textbooks, I challenge any parent to go to their school and get their World History textbook and see if it says that Stalin killed 50, 70 million people. See if it says that Paul Pot eradicated several millions. See if it says anything about Mao and how many of them. We never talked about it. We didn't have it in my textbook, see when I was growing up. That's why we, that's why we spout this rhetoric. That's how all governments are good If it works for them. You don't know if it works for them until you start seeing how many bodies are buried in the grave.

Michele Bachmann

That's right Now. I'll tell you, David. The parent has the right to know the content that their child is being taught, so no matter if it's digital or in a textbook, you're exactly right. Every parent or guardian should go to their child's school and say I want to see the content my child will get, the worksheets, the tests, everything my child will have. You have a right as a parent to demand that you be allowed to see what your child is learning.

David Barton

And, by the way, and if a teacher or principal says, oh, we can't let you see that red bells, whistles, alarms ought to go off all over, you. Say, whoa, I'm a taxpayer, that's there because I'm paying money and you're not going to show me what you're teaching my kid? No way.

Michele Bachmann

And the most precious item that any parent has is their child.

David Barton

That's right.

Michele Bachmann

Their child's mind and their child's future. That's right. Every parent has more interest than anyone has a child, and they have the right. The next form of government is monarchy. That's pretty simple. That's the one that we threw off.

David Barton

Pretty simple, that's what we threw off and that's what you find a lot of in the Bible as well, because you have King Solomon and King David and King Saul and King Josiah and all these things. But there's different forms of monarchies. For example, there's still a monarchy in England, but it's a really weak form of monarchy. It's what you might call it a constitutional or limited monarchy, because you've got a parliament and that parliament pulls back the monarch's powers. And that happened back in the 1300s when they got the Magna Carta and other things and then the Glorious Revolution of Great Britain. They limited the power of the monarch even more.

Michele Bachmann

Versus the present day kingdom, and one example I would give is in the country of Jordan. That's a pretty strong king in Jordan. He's actually very active in the civic affairs of his country. So, unlike a Queen Elizabeth who you see in more ceremonial functions and who really doesn't touch policy at all, the King of Jordan does. He's very involved in the policy of his country, as was his father, and now they're grooming the crown prince of Jordan to do the same. But what about that form of government?

David Barton

Well, that form of government can become totalitarian very quickly. If you happen to have a really good king, like you had with William and Mary under the Glorious Revolution of Great Britain, that's fine. But if you've got a King George III, like America had when we were a British colony, that's not a good deal. And, by the way, the Bible actually, when Israel shifted to a monarchy, God intended to be a limited monarchy. 

Michele Bachmann

That's a very important point 

David Barton

and he did so by saying King, before you can be king, you will write down the entire law of Moses, because that's what you're governed by, and only a couple of kings did that in Israel's history. Everybody else ignored it and then they became totalitarian.

Michele Bachmann

Because when we read 1st and 2nd Chronicles, 1st and 2nd Kings, you read about bad king, bad king. Then an occasional good king seems to be thrown in. But when a king understands again that he's limited in his power, that he can only have the power according to the laws of God, that's a good king. But kings who become a law unto themselves, that's a bad king. And it's just as true today in forms of government, that we have various forms of government as it was back in the time of Israel. It's absolutely the same. And a republic, a constitutional republic, my favorite.

David Barton

This is one that you find in the Bible preceding Israel becoming a monarchy, back under Moses, when they were in the wilderness and God established that government, they chose out from among them. We're told in Exodus 18:21, choose out from among you leaders of tens, 50s, hundreds and thousands.

Michele Bachmann

And it was actually his father among them. That was his father among them who instructed Moses because he saw how exhausted Moses was trying to lead the people. And that's when he said look, you have to have people that help you. But, like you said, it was somebody who'd be in charge of maybe 50 people, some in charge of 100, some in charge of a thousand, and of course that would be a different level of authority and jurisdiction.

David Barton

It's your local, county, state and federal is what we would compare it to today, and at that level, you elect someone to represent you. You're not the one speaking directly. It's not a democracy where everyone votes. This is, instead of having 330 million Americans vote, we have 435 new guys vote, and so in a republic, you elect people to represent you as they go. Now you've got some weak forms of republics, which are parliamentary systems. They're not as strong and in a parliamentary system, the elected people are the power until the next election. But you have a better form.

Michele Bachmann

It's not a written system of law that's right, it's not. That's the problem. It's like this is my bank note. The constitution is our personal bank and it says I get to own that. My inalienable rights are mine. So it maximizes for me and yet it limits someone like me who holds an election certificate I can only do it for a certain area of authority. That's a good thing. That's the constitutional.

David Barton

That's the highest form, the highest form, the highest form which we have and in that form 

Michele Bachmann

Which we have America.

David Barton

Oh, go ahead. 

Michele Bachmann

The founders did an exhaustive study of government. What we're talking about right now. What's the best government? Imagine what they went through to secure our liberty. They had just thrown off the most economic, mighty nation in the world, the greatest military power in the world. This little ragtag army won this improbable war. And so these very brilliant men decided let's search the world and all of history. Which would be the best form of government? We're starting from scratch. Why not do the best? And after their exhaustive search, that's what they discovered. I can't look. That's right. They're the most in line with the word of God.

Tim Barton

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David Barton

In every form of government, you always want to ask what's the source of power? And in a weak republic, the source of power is your elected officials. In a strong republic, constitutional power, the source of power is the written law. 

Michele Bachmann

That's right and officials recognize it, officials who come under that power

Because, remember, the law is the protection for the people. It's the people who are protected. That's why, when you say that no man is above the law, it's to protect the people from the ruler. 

David Barton

people are the ones who set the boundaries under God and as long as the ruler stay below that then you have liberty. When the leaders rise above that level, then you got problems.

Michele Bachmann

That's right. You have to have the right tension and the right balance so that you can keep it together and work well. That's right. We have also an oligarchy that you see today in Russia, where you have a couple of kingpins under the main czar, and basically the way it works in Russia is you have a guy who gets control over all telecommunications. He reaps all the profits. Another guy gets the whole mining industry and that's his area of authority. Another guy gets to do oil and it's corrupt. They skim off the profits from themselves. Nobody knows what the price of anything is, because the price is whatever you have to pay off and bribes.

David Barton

It's a terrible system, the power is in a small group that is unaccountable to any other, and that's a problem. And you don't have to go as far as Russia to see an oligarchy. You can go to the US Supreme Court. Oh no, we can go to the state Supreme Court. We don't know it because they say we don't care. The Iowa Supreme Court's a great example. Yeah, we've had marriage an hour for 161 years, but the seven of us have decided we're not doing it that way.

Michele Bachmann

And it only took four of the seven to make that decision. 

David Barton

Who cares how many million people you have in Iowa. We have a group now telling us what our values will be, what our morals will be, what our education system will be, what our criminal justice will be, who we can and cannot punish in court.

Michele Bachamnn

Yeah, isn't it interesting? The courts now say, hey, we'll take the big issues. You legislature, you maybe get to decide the low limits on turnip trucks. We're the ones who are going to decide the definition of marriage.

David Barton

We'll decide all the things.

Michele Bachmann

We'll be the ones who decide if life gets protected or not, and that's when you get out of balance on that issue of jurisdiction.

David Barton

And Thomas Jefferson. He said if you're not careful, if you allow the courts to make policy, they will become an oligarchy. And guess what? Here we are.

Michele Bachmann

And guess what? He was right. That's exactly what happened, Because at a certain point, when you throw off all the constraints of law which a lot of people are demanding right now, that I don't want any laws, I want to be able to do whatever I think is right in my own eyes, that's when you get to this next form of government called anarchy. And it's scary to me, David, how many people today in America are demanding anarchy. In other words, every man does that which is right. 

David Barton

They don’t call it anarchy, they have a more sophisticated thing they can be a libertarian. We don't want government to tell us what, wait a minute, you have to have some moral rights and wrongs. We have to be able to tell you don't kill, you don't steal. But see, they're saying we want to be moral libertarians, we want to be a government libertarians. You can't be moral libertarians, you cannot be. At that point John Quincy Adams said, “If you do that, he said, you then rule by the law of the tiger and the shark.” Hey, my magazine's got 30 bullets, yours only got 20. I’m the ruler. You cannot do that. 

Michele Bachmann

A lot of people who want to be libertarian we have a lot of sympathy for, because what they're requesting is limited to the government.

David Barton

Exactly right.

Michele Bachmann

But that's one thing we need to recognize. We've got history as a guide.

David Barton

That's right.

Michele Bachmann

We have to know what is the best form of government, and anarchy, isn't it.

David Barton

Well, we've got the Bible as a guide too, because three times the Bible condemns that, as quote, every man doing that which was right in his own eyes.

Michele Bachmann

And that was the end of the Old Testament. That was the end of it. That was the end of the Old Testament.

David Barton

That was not a good place.

Michele Bachmann

That was not a good place to be. So we've seen that anarchy, even though it's tempting and sounds good, it leads to oppression and tyranny. You lose your liberty and that's again, I think, some of the false mantra of democracy. I am shocked at the number of Republicans who will say of the United States that we're a democracy and I'm floored because I know from reading our founding documents the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, the Northwest Ordinance we are a Constitution Republic. In fact it says it Article 4, section 4, that our government guarantees to the states a Republican form of government. So the states have the right to demand that. That's what we are. We're not a democracy.

David Barton

And let's hold democracy for just a minute, because I want to come back to that. Let's go ahead and interject the seventh form of government, then return to democracy. That sounds good. The seventh form of government is theocracy and in the Bible you see that with Eli and with Samuel and others who, God, they rule in the name of God.

Michele Bachmann

Define it Define it.

David Barton

Theocracy is a ruler who says I'm ruling in the name of God. God speaks directly to me. I'll tell you all what to do.

Michele Bachmann

Well, I am Ayatollah today or an Imam today. 

David Barton

Yes, All of those forms of government is God to me, you got no response back. You only do what I tell you. You didn't elect me because of the voice of God. God put me here. I am the voice of the Devine Rite of Kings philosophy. And, by the way, for people who like to beat up on God-fearing people in America, a few Christians get involved in politics. You'll turn it into a theocracy. Impossible, as long as you have elections. A theocracy means that no one shows you, you put yourself there or you think God puts you there or whatever. But as long as there are elections in America, there's no way Christians will have a theocracy. As long as we have a constitution, there's no way.

Michele Bchmann

There is no theocracy in the world today. There is no Jewish theocracy in the world today. There are only Islamic theocracies in the world today.

David Barton

There's secular theocracies too.

Michele Bachmann

Oh yeah, that was very good, that is true.

David Barton

That's right. They think they hear from a higher power. So let's go back to democracy for a minute, because this thing that you just hit the religious people that came to America, like the pilgrims and others, when they came here, it was interesting that John Robinson, the pastor of the pilgrims, when the pilgrims got here he didn't make it, he sent the pilgrims here. He said here's what you do when you get to America, he said do not carry over there into that new land the bad customs we have over here. Over here we have kings. He says remember that God did not give kings to Israel. So when they got here they were told remember the form of government they rejected is what God had given them in Exodus 18, 21. Choose out your own leaders. That's a representative of the Republic. And so when they got here, they set up annual elections. They didn't do buy-in elections like we do. They had an election every year in both church and state. You chose your church leaders and your state leaders.

Michele Bachmann

I've got at home a couple of books that are election sermons so that the pastors faithfully out of the pulpit before the election. They gave long sermons about what to look for. They talked about taxation and issues. This was something we did in America for centuries, so that the church saw themselves as having to teach the people what to look for.

Michele Bachmann

And as a matter of fact, here's some quotes from Founding Fathers just to prove we're not a democracy take James Madison. He said, “Democracy has ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention have ever been found incompatible with personal security of the rights of property and health, in general, been assured in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.” Now that's a guy who's studying history.

Michele Bachmann

It is, and it's amazing the bigger you are, the harder you fall. And the story of nations is how quickly a nation goes into demise, and that's why we need to be vigilant. So we have a couple of action items that we need to talk about for the people. First of all, you had mentioned Exodus 18:21. Those are the qualifications for candidates for offense. 

Michele Bachmann

Let's go through that real quick. Yes.

Rick Green

Because it's very important, but select capable men from all the people, competent. Number one they have to be competent. They've got to be competent men who fear God, trustworthy men who hate this honest gain and appoint them as officials over 1,000s, 150s and 10s. So you've got to be capable, capable, fear God, trustworthy, honest, hates this honest gain.

Michele Bachmann

Yeah, so those who are honest men, which is today. People say, hey, why don't we get an honest politician? That's what the Bible has said for centuries. That's what you look for first thing. 

Rick Green

Why don’t you get an honest politician because we're elected and if we don't use those qualifications, we're looking at how many jobs they can bring up. We're looking at what they can do for my pocket. No, I want to know are you capable? Do you fear God? Are you trustworthy? Do you hate this honest gain?

Michele Bachmann

Because if you do that, you get the benefits that politicians promise when you get character first.

David Barton

Now let me throw something in here. How do you know if a school board member or a city councilman or a mayor or a state? How do you know if they meet those qualifications? Particularly, how do you know if they fear God? Because if you're an American, you believe in God. That's what people tend to think. Here's the easy way. Proverbs 8.13 says the fear of the Lord is to hate evil. So if you're a God-fearing person, you're going to hate evil. Now, what's evil? Well, evil is what God defines as evil. So let me give you two easy ways hate what God hates. You got to hate what God hates and love what God loves. What God hates the shedding of innocent blood, abortion. God hates homosexuality. Those are two things he is unequivocal on. So you can ask any public official at all where do you stand on abortion and homosexuality? Based on that response, you know whether they fear God. Because if they said I find it, I find it homosexuality, you know that they don't understand that they're going to account to God for what they do.

Michele Bachmann

Here's another action item, and it would be this to stand against unelected elements, whether it's bureaucrats or judges. I will tell you, we have a lot of unelected people all across the United States that are running our lives. You had talked about this previously, that we have the Congress who passes a law, but what we're really doing is Congress is sloughing off the responsibility for writing the law to unelected bureaucrats in the agencies, and so, trust me, they're more than happy to write the laws because they get to write it to help the bureaucracy against the people, and so it's important that the elected members of Congress take the time to write the law. Does it take time? You bet it does, but maybe we wouldn't have so many laws that are confounding us if we do exactly that. It's just really important. And then, finally, we have to hold our leaders accountable.

David Barton

Let me hit this real quick, because we have a lot of complaining about people. I don't like those elected guys. They don't do anything I want. Do you know? Only one out of eight Americans has ever contacted an elected official on any level.

Michele Bachmann

So if that's true, then the people watching this episode need to know how powerful their voice would be that's the other side of it. We may never get more than one out of eight, but you be that person who's the one out of you. You understand the issues, you understand your jurisdiction, you understand the politicians' jurisdiction and you hold them accountable. I just read about an election in my hometown that, quite literally, was won by one vote. It was over a thousand votes on either side. One vote It'll make a huge difference in that particular community. So be that person.

David Barton

So, summing it up, the first thing is memorize Exodus 18:21 and then use that at every level where you vote. Second thing is don't put up with the unelected aspects of government trying to become more powerful, do not say that on demand.

Michele Bachmann

Demand accountability for your elected official.

David Barton

And third is talk to your elected officials. Nobody does that.

Michele Bachmann

You go yourself. You do it and don't be afraid. I have people who are afraid all the time. Well, guess what? You know who's going to answer a phone, maybe a 22-year-old intern, so don't be afraid of that person on the other end of the line. But also ask of your elected official and demand come to my home, come to my backyard, come to my church, come to my community center. If I get 100 people in that room, will you come?

David Barton

Yeah.

Michele Bachmann

You will make such an impression on that official. That's right when they have to go back and vote, trust me, they're not going to forget that 100 faces and 100 whites of their eyes. Nothing scares a politician more than the whites of their constituents' eyes. So make sure you get them out in your backyard and tell them what you expect.

David Barton

If we'll do that, we'll preserve the foundations of freedom.

Michele Bachmann

Oh, isn't that exciting, we can do it.

Rick Green

Alright folks out of time for today. That was Michele Bachmann and David Barton in Foundations of Freedom. You can get that entire series at our website, wallbuilders.com Also a great place to go to make a one-time or monthly contribution or to just get some other great materials. Make sure that you go vote today, on Super Tuesday. Thanks for listening. You've been listening to wallbuilders.com.