Good Vibes Only with Clara Cohen

Clara Cohen has completed a 5 year program at the Doctor of Traditional Chinese Medicine level and has been a licensed acupuncturist since 2003 in Vancouver, Canada, focusing her practice in women's health and mental health.

She's spoken at major conferences, taught acupuncture all over the world, and passionately educates through her AcuPro Academy online platform. Author of three TCM books, Clara is a key influencer in TCM, inspiring students and practitioners alike. 
Follow her insights and tips on social media @AcuProAcademy.

Marie gives an insight into understanding with vibrations and frequencies matter when it comes to your skin and wellbeing. She takes you on a journey of how the environment we surround ourselves in and the people we associate with can impact our mood and health. 

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I am so delighted that I have got the phenomenal Clara Cohen, who is a distinguished acupuncturist. She's the visionary founder of Acupro Academy with a profound passion for traditional Chinese medicine and a commitment to holistic healing that Clara's dedicated her career to educating and empowering practitioners all over the world. Worldwide. Clara's contributions to the world of acupuncture extend beyond her academy. She's a sought after speaker, a published author, and a mentor to many aspiring acupuncturists, her dedication to advancing the practice of TCM and her unwavering commitment to the wellbeing of her clients and student makes her a true leader in her field, her passion and effervescence is contagious, and I'm beyond excited to have her on the Good Vibes Only podcast. Welcome Clara. Oh, my gosh. What an introduction. Thanks, Marie. It's true. I should go home now, wouldn't I? And that's it. It's true. Honestly, I've been taught in acupuncture, but I was taught by five Chinese professors. And acupuncture alone is a minefield because it's not a case of just placing an acupuncture needle in an acupuncture poise that there is so many different levels to it. So that alone was really hard, but being trained by five different professors that had different views was just amazing. Hard, even hard. But you were my savior throughout it all. So tell us, first of all, how did you get into acupuncture and TCM? So you can hear from my accent. English is not my first language. We're across the pond from you. I was born in France in the French Alps and then I moved to Canada. So now I'm in Vancouver in Canada, but I, I was born in France and I was born. I always said to my husband, I wasn't finished because I was taking premature. So I always say, Look how smart I am. Imagine if I had 10 more weeks, you know. But my mom was a typical French mother who, uh, smoked two packs a day, even during pregnancy in the sixties. This is what everybody did. And so at 10 weeks prior to obviously 40 weeks at 30 weeks pregnancy, I came out and I used to say to my mom, all this probably I came early because I needed to breathe fresh air. And she said like, Most women would say it has nothing to do with that. Nothing to do with smoking. It's just babies are premature. Right? But I, so I came out at 30 weeks, so 10 weeks premature, of course, I had to be put in an incubator to be able to finish growing my lungs and being able to breathe on my own. So I had asthma as a child. Then I was also born with scoliosis. So my spine wasn't straight on top of it. And in a TCM or Chinese medicine perspective, I also grew with my teeth not being straight. So my mom was a single mother of three, so no money for braces. I didn't have hair on my head until I was two years old. Like I was bald until I was two. You look at the pictures My mom was so embarrassed. She would always put a little hat on my head, but so I'm sharing this because, you know, I was sick as a child a lot. And in France, we use a lot homeopathic remedies and botanics. So I was, I was very much treated with this for my childhood illnesses. However, The spine having scoliosis, I was in a lot of pain. My back was in a lot of pain, and as a child, they decided as my doctor to take a team of people and to try to rectify this. So they put a brace that was very tight that I wore during the day, at least eight to 10 hours, and I could take off at night. The, the brace was to try to keep my spine from growing sideways, but staying straight because I had mostly my scoliosis was in my thoracic, so in my mid back and on top of that, I had to sleep. I remember that because I, I just couldn't sleep. Cried every night. I can't sleep. I used to sleep on my stomach, of course, and with your head to the side, which is not great for your neck. And so I was laying down and crying every night because they had told me that I had to lay on my back to sleep. Not only that, but they put a plywood board underneath my sheet, so I slept on a hard, hard bed. board to try to rectify my spine. And I used to lay there for hours going, I can't sleep. I can't sleep. And now you can put me on any flat surface on my back and I'll fall asleep. No problem. The body is so. Adaptable to change, especially as a child. So at the same time, they decided to put me through a, rigorous, Schedule of weekly twice weekly chiropractic adjustment. Hosteopathy. How do you say that in English? Osteopathy. Osteopathy. And then I had acupuncture to relax the muscle for the pain, uh, weekly as well. And I had physiotherapy as well. And I did this, I can't remember exactly, but I want to say probably a year and a half or a little bit more than that. And then eventually the brace came off and I was able to sleep on my back and as I grew into it, my spine rectified because as a child it's easier because your, your spine is still growing. And so I don't have scoliosis anymore. I don't have back pain coming from that at all. So I am so thankful for that. So that was my first introduction to acupuncture. My second one in my teenage years. I had dysmenorrhea really bad where, you know, the first two days I can't go to school, I'm in pain, I'm bent in half in bed with the hot water bottle on my stomach, and I'm just crying, and my mom's like, take an aspirin, take a painkiller, and I don't want to take a painkiller. I don't know why, but I never liked medication since I was a child, and my mom would give me medication, and I was just like, I don't want it. So I would just lay there with my hot water bottle, and in the front of my mind, my mom told her, You know, acupuncture can help with this. So she brought me to the acupuncturist when I was 14 and we had a few sessions. And again, I can't remember how many, but you know, I don't have a period anymore because I'm in my fifties, but my whole fertile years, I didn't have dysmenorrheas. It was gone. And that was that. And just, to clarify, for those listeners that don't know what dysmenorrhea is, it's painful periods. Really painful periods, you're nauseated from the pain is so strong. It's not a 10 it's a 12 out of 10 and you're crying and I can't go to school and I'm thinking I'm going to have to do this for the rest of my life every month. That's just not fair. Right. And, and often when you see the doctor, they'll say, well, you know, just, you're just bad luck. Some girls have pain, some girls don't. Right. And, and so my mom was very proactive. And so that was the second time that I was, introduced to acupuncture. So, I moved to Canada completely to learn English. I could have gone to England, but I wanted to go somewhere where there was big mountains, like the Rockies. So I moved to Canada to learn English, which took me a while. And the idea was to go back to France. And I never did, obviously. And I worked here in the fitness industry for 15 years, I managed two fitness clubs and I was, you know, in that industry and I loved it, but I felt very limited because in the fitness industry, every woman wants to lose weight. Every man wants to gain muscle and you can arrange the exercise in a different way and you can provide nutritional advice, but women would come and say, Oh, My period was so painful right now. I'm in so much pain. I can't work out. Men would come in and say, I'm so stressed. I haven't slept in a week. I have no energy. I don't know what to do for that. I have no idea. I'm not trained for this. And so I felt limited in helping people. And I decided, you know what, I need to know more. So I need to go back to school and learn something that's going to help provide this for people when they. Are you not sleeping? How do I help someone with insomnia? I don't know. Or dysmenorrhea for that matter. Oh, well, acupuncture did help me. Let's check into that. So I checked into Chinese medicine. I checked into naturopathic medicine, chiropractic. Um, I checked in a lot of different ways, homeopathy as well, homeopathic remedy. And I checked in all the schools. And for some reason, I really love the way the Eastern philosophy worked. And looking at the root of the problem, looking at the root cause, and addressing the person as a whole, and not just the issue. And I thought, you know what, now I'm going to go and learn Chinese medicine. So I did a five year program, a doctorate program in Vancouver, Uh, at the college in Vancouver and the rest is history because I fell in love with this medicine and passionate about it. And I'll never talk, stop talking about it, I guess. Honestly, your passion and your love, it just seeps out of your pores through the screens. And I love it. I love watching your videos. Even, even in your books, it comes across. So how did your teaching start and the books come across? That's a great question. I just wanted to say that this is great that we are here because this year, it's the 10 year anniversary of this crazy idea I had 10 years ago. So I was teaching, when I finished school, I started practicing and I felt very alone, very lonely. There was no internet much at the time and there was, it was very hard to get information. And even when I was in school, we had books, but there was no other supports. And so. Once I started practicing, I felt very lonely and a few years later, I started teaching at a college and I had an opportunity to teach. I was asked and I, you know, I said, I, I'm not a teacher. I, I, I don't know how to teach. And, and they said, we're really in a bind. One of the teacher had to go back to China and as the emergency and class was started. In three days, in September, so class starting in three days, no teachers, and they ask me. And I felt very flattered and honored, but I'm like, I can't do this, I'm not a teacher. And they're like, please, please, if you could help me, and I was like, well, it works with my schedule, I can come and teach this foundation of Chinese medicine. So I took my books, I didn't sleep the night before, I reread it, and then I walked into this classroom and there was 34 students looking at me eager, and I thought, They all know I'm a fraud. They all know I can't do this. I've only been practicing for four years. This is going to be a disaster. My face was so red. I was so uncomfortable, but like you said, I love Chinese medicine. And so I started speaking about it. And within five minutes, I got into my zone of excitement and I started talking about the yin and yang and the symbol and, and I got so excited. And they were asking questions and we laugh a lot. And I came home after three hours and I said to my husband, I want to do this all the time. This was so fun. I loved it because everybody wanted to listen. They were eager. They wanted to understand. And, you know, you can talk about Chinese medicine to all the people around you. Not everybody wants to listen, not everybody's interested, but this was a captive audience. And it was so fun to share something I'm passionate about to such a group of people that was so excited about learning it. So that started the teaching part. With traditional Chinese medicine when you're being taught by, Chinese professors, they have this very military and aspect to it, don't they? So it's all very academic. I learn by pictures. I learn by doing things. So I was searching and searching and searching, and when I came across your book, I thought, Thank you! God, and it just made sense. It just literally all clicked into place. I've always learned by drawing anyway, so I've got my own big book here with my own drawings and then I saw your book and I thought, Oh my God, this is just like, it's just heaven to me. So first of all, I want to say thank you. But when did the books come about? I agree with you in the, the Chinese culture is different. So they teach like they do in China, but it's hard because you come to the Western world and we are used to being taught in a different way. So there's a little bit of flash there in the teaching versus receiving information and sharing information. So I felt like you, that it was so hard to understand because it didn't make sense to me the way it was presented. So. I remember I wanted to help my students with more support. So instead of just being in class and sharing information, which I know, you know, you don't always listen to everything. It's a long three hours, even with breaks. So what I did is I started a Facebook page where I would just post things. And, um, I told my students, come and see there and I'll post things to kind of reinforce your knowledge, your support. So I started putting pictures and I, I thought I'm like you, I'm very visual. So I thought I'll just put visual, you know, like a point, what it does use little cartoon characters, because I think it's fun and it's like more easy to remember and to, you know, to gather the information in your brain. So I started doing this on Facebook and I started making, create a cute little videos with cartoons. And I posted that on. YouTube as well. Within two months, I realized that there was a lot of people commenting, liking, and sharing those posts that I didn't know. They were not my students. They were people all over the world that I didn't know, and I was so shocked and surprised, and I realized that my students really enjoyed what I shared, but they weren't the only one. There's other people that did, and so. I kept sharing and I kept growing and within a year, I got 5, 000 followers on Facebook and that's a small amount of people that, are all into TCM or Chinese medicine, so I was shocked by that and people started asking, why don't you put a book together, put a book together of all your drawings, all your points, I would buy that book, you need to you. And I kept saying, I'm not a writer. I can't write a book. I don't know how to write. It's not my language. I can't do this. But people kept asking and asking. And my husband's like, you know, when people ask for something, maybe you should give it to them. I didn't know how to write a book. So I just went online and like, how do you write a book? And it was all about this academic things and I don't want to write. I just want pictures and simple straight to the word. I don't want big fancy phrases or sentences and long People, there's 200 books that people can get to learn this information. I just want to have something that's easy that you can look at and, you know, really understand the basics. And then if you want to go deeper, go deeper. That's right. There are, there are loads of books with all of this information, but your books. They sort of like ignite everything because you're very relatable. You're very passionate about it. You're excitable about it. And that is catching is contagious. So you think, Oh my God, you know, because I love anything to do with,, TCM and, and the Eastern way of, of medicine. And I was so excited about it, but I have to say my love waned as I was going through my training I think you saved me, because I just felt disillusioned because I thought this is not what it's all about. My background is all in energy and quantum, my passion was all about chi and how the chi flowed and all things like that. So, it was a real revelation to me when I came across you, so it was brilliant. I want to touch on a few of your other passions within your acupuncture realm, which I know that you're extremely, again, passionate about. One is female health and fertility. Can you explain how TCM differs from the Western medicine in issues like endometriosis, PCOS, and also PMDD? What I love about Chinese medicine is that first of all, it does not treat the problem. It treats the person and it looks for the root cause. So one is looking at the root cause. Chinese medicine can always figure out what the causes doesn't mean they can always treat it, but it can always at least empower the patients to know that, okay, this is why now let's Try to treat it with the why right because nobody wants to be told for example I see a lot of women since 2003, you know for fertility purposes and they come in they go Oh, I have unexplained infertility. That's what they told me. Nothing's wrong with me. They did all the tests or that So, I always say to patients, you know, nobody likes to be told they don't know why, because if you don't know why, then they tell you keep trying or then try, you know, assisted reproductive therapy like IVF and all that options. But when you tell patients the why, it empowers them and they just look at you like liberated by the, the fact that actually there is a root cause, it's not just unknown. And so, I always say to patients, if it's unexplained by all the physical tests, then if it's not physical, you don't have any endometriosis, you don't have an ovary that is not producing any eggs, you don't have low ovarian reserve, you don't have all those issues, then it's emotional. And so when it's unexplained, Fibromyalgia was like this for the longest time. People kept going to the doctor and they kept saying, oh, it's on your head, nothing's wrong with you, or then they Figure out it's unexplained. We don't know why people have muscle pain all the time. Well, there is an explanation and it's emotional. It's mental. So it could come from a mental trauma that happened in the past that we dealt with. It could come from years and years of anxiety, worrying, which Literally change the body at the cellular level. It comes from a blockage. Maybe we want to try to get pregnant, but there's something in our mind, in the back of our subconscious that is stopping us. It could be that we have a bad relationship with our own mother and that stops us because we haven't dealt with that relationship and it creates a blockage. It could come from so many different areas, but it is emotional if it's not physical. So when you tell that to patients, they feel at least there is an answer. And then we can decide how we're going to go about looking at how we deal with that. Right. Are they open and receiving the information? And are they open to process it, to look for help, to try to address the issues specifically, if it's something that happened a long time ago and they put the lid on it, cause they don't want to have to deal with it because it's scary and fair enough, right? So, uh, or if it's a relationship that is not quite what they're, happy about, so. So that's the first thing that I would say is we look for the root cause, and often, specifically with chronic issues, the root cause is emotional. But it could be other things. It could be diet related. With PCOS, we know that it is polycystic ovarian syndrome. Diet's going to improve it, right? If we eat a diet that is not going to spike the insulin, there's going to be less chance of miscarriages. This has been shown and studied. So diet is going to make a huge difference, which is great. But is diet the root cause? Often it's not. The root cause of PCOS that I've seen in practice and more and more and more every time I tell patients, is that it's. A relationship with the mother. It's absolutely that relationship where there is a clash between the mother and the daughter. So you have PCOS and you are not able to connect with your mother. It could be many reasons, but you're not really close and loving to the point where you're like, this is the woman that embraced me, that loves me. And I feel cherished and safe in her environment. There is a clash. And I see that with. So many of my patients with PCOS when it comes to, premenstruation, syndrome and mood and all the stuff that's happening prior to menstruation, stress is a huge factor and usually. The stress is self imposed stress. So perfectionist people, people that have, women that have, you know, that are perfectionist, that put so much pressure on themselves, it really increase their symptoms prior to menstruation as well. So I see that a lot and it's really good to explain to patients because When I was younger and I had period pain, I was unlucky. If you have premenstruation syndrome or you're moody or you have lots of pain or other issues prior to your menstruation, well, you're just unlucky. Some women have it, some women don't. Well, there's no luck involved. It's not luck. It's just, okay, why is this coming? We need to figure out the cause and can we address the cause, right? And we see this If we give women magnesium prior to their menstruation, it's much easier, right? So there's a magnesium deficiency that can be the cause, the root cause could be nutritional deficiency. So I love Chinese medicine because first and foremost, it looks at the root cause, which is important. And then the second one, it treats the person as a whole and I think especially when we're talking about, female health a lot of clients that come to you is all compartmentalized because we are programmed and hard driven to think of things in boxes, in a linear, fashion. So automatically they think that there's something wrong with the uterus or the ovaries, but actually in TCM, we look at like the kidneys and the spleen and the heart and the liver in particular. So I think that, is an eye opener. You touched on mental health and emotional wellbeing. And I know that that is another passion, from you. And we know that each organ has an emotion attached to it. And also you touched on, the my ismic values. So these are the different energetic components that we, inherit from our parents. So, can you touch on how TCM can help with, emotional and wellbeing factors? Like I said earlier, I would say that 70 percent of all chronic issues stem from emotional trauma, emotional issue, emotional background, whatever we want to call it, but the emotions are a huge part of how our body can heal or not, or makes us sick. And we understand that because, you know, It's very common that people have massive anxiety and then what does it do? It creates a hole in our stomach and we have an ulcer, right? That's literally the connection there that is physical and the mental. And so in Chinese medicine, each organ, like you said, correspond to different emotions. So when you're angry, it affects the liver more. However, if the liver is not healthy, we get irritated and maybe angry. So it's which one came first, the chicken or the egg? And it's easy to remember or to see because when people drink alcohol a lot, which affects the liver, a lot of people get angry, right? We say the angry drunk, that's very common. When we worry, it affects, like I said, our stomach, right? We can create a hole in our stomach. So the digestive system, when you worry either, you know, when someone is really worried, either they can eat. their feelings, or they can't eat anything. Their stomach is a knot, they can't eat. So it really affects the digestive system when we worry too much. When we have fear, it affects the kidneys, and that's also easy to understand. When I was in school, I was, you know, I was trying to understand all this, and it wasn't explained, so I had to go and think. about it. Well, what does that look like? Why is this the case that fear and kidney? And then I see my dog every time he's scared, he pees, right? Like, that's how he deals with it. And I'm thinking, right, if you are, you know, really scared, let's say someone, scaring you. Like you're in a bank and someone is robbing the bank. You could lose bladder control. That's very common. People will do that. You're like, Oh, yeah, that makes sense. Okay, kidney fear. And then you go deeper and further. And when you have patients saying, Oh, my, My child is 10 years old and she's still wetting her bed at night. You know, is there anything that Chinese medicine can make and can see or can help? And I always say, look for the fear, because if she pees at night, then there's a fear there. Maybe she's been bullying at school. Maybe it's irrational fear. She's scared of something and she's not sharing. Look for that because that's the cause, right? So each of those emotion we can see affect our body. Sadness affects the wrong. And when we cry, like we sob, we can't breathe, right? It's that when a child cries, they can't breathe. It really affects our lungs. So sadness really, really closes our lung because it's our breathing and we lose that breath. So that's also related to the lung, the breathing ability with depression, with sadness. So all those emotions, You know, will affect if an organ what's interesting is we see joy being the or the emotion of the heart. And of course, our heart is happy. It's loving. It's full of joy. Can joy be bad? Yes. It's called over excitement, right? I just read something, recently, actually online where someone in Manila in the Philippines, a lady just won the jackpot in a casino. And I think it was 2 million or something. And she was playing in the casino and she was in her sixties and you know, she won the jackpot, literally went into cardiac arrest and died right there in the casino. And so That's the emotion, the joy is so strong and if your heart is weak, then it can eventually not a good thing to be joyful because it can just be so much that your heart just can't take it. Right? And you also see that many comedians actually give a lot of joy, but they suffer from depression and die of heart attacks. There was a famous comedian in the UK, Tommy Cooper, who actually died on stage from a heart attack. So again, that's that, that emotion of joy. Exactly. And you see that a lot. Most stand up comedian, Jim Carrey, Robin Williams, obviously suffered, publicly of depression. And that's What I love about Chinese medicine is that you can be and look joyful and we think depression looks like someone sad in the corner in the room that doesn't talk, but it's not, you know, a lot of time it could be anger and depression is below it, or joy and laughing a lot and depression is below it. So it's really important to not categorize and that's why I love Chinese medicine because Never ever. We're going to say, Oh, get over it. Or can you can get out of depression, right? Cause it was this taboo thing people didn't want to talk about, but now it's starting to be more something that people are open and vulnerable about. And it's important to really validate and tell them that, okay, let's look at why this is happening, right? Is this a chemical balance? This is due to diet because diet, sugar, caffeine, lots of diet can create anxiety, right? And, and. We take certain food to calm the anxiety, but it pertain the opposite. It'll calm you for 10 minutes and make the anxiety worse in the end because there's a gut brain connection. So if our gut is inflamed, the brain's not going to be happy. We can't focus. We may be sad or depressed or anxious. There's a lot that can, well, we can't sleep. There's a lot that can happen with the brain gut connection. And Chinese medicine sees this because every organ in your internal organ relates to. The brain to an emotion, including the uterus. Which is connected to the heart. Yeah, exactly. And, and you touched also on, those that drink alcohol, that was another question that I was going to ask you about, addictions. How can TCM help with addictions? Because alcoholism in particular can stir up that excessive heat in the system that has an impact on not only the liver, but obviously we've got that generating cycle, you've got the heart, you've got the, the spleen, you've got the digestive system, all of that affected. So how would you target that? Because emotions play a huge role with alcoholism, whether that's based on again, sadness or whether it's based on fear. So would you look at what the root cause would that be to help with alcoholism? Or addictions in general, addictions in general. Exactly. Any addiction stems from something. This is the hard part, right? It can be from intergenerational trauma. So that's harder to, deal with counseling or, you know, different, modality because it's in the past. And it's in our cellular body. So that makes it harder with psychology or a counselor, for example. However, Chinese medicine is really good in tapping into it using the eight extra vessels, right? We use those vessels which tap into certain point and each vessel corresponds to different Time in our lives. So the dye vessel, which is called the belt or the girdle because it's around our waist. This one connects to everything that was prior to our birth. So it's anything that's happening intergenerational. So we have to tap and use those points to try to let this emerge for us to release it to process it to move forward. Then anything that happens in the first seven years, we look at the Chong vessel, which is the. Called sometimes the penetrating vessel. So that's the. The first seven years of our life. And then we have the next seven years, from seven to 14, which is the Wren vessel, which is the conception vessel, which is when we started being able to conceive right. As men and women, we start to be into our teenagers and our grow, our reproductive system grows into it. So each of those seven years, if something happened prior to seven, we have to tap into Chong meridian. And if it happened from seven to 14, and a lot of people. All those things may happen while you were a child or a teenager, especially if it was sexual trauma or abuse, because at that time, this is when it's more common. Doesn't mean that it's not later on, but it's more common at that time. So we can look at this and if the person is consenting to awaken this, to let it emerge so we can then deal with it, process it and be able to move forward because otherwise the body is going to be stuck. And We're not going to be able to heal from the addiction, for example, which could come from fire, or it could come from a trauma. And this is how we deal with. The trauma with control, right, with fear. So sometimes it is anger. Sometimes it's fear. Sometimes it's sadness. Sometimes it's all of them that are stocked and trapped in the cell and they need to be released. So that's often the case. So looking at addiction, there's a lot of work to be done. Yes, we can use the ear and another protocol, but it's not enough. We need to look at. Yeah, you have to go into the root cause. With the quantum medicine it's believed that every decision that you make has an impact or it imprints the next four generations DNA. So that can be switched on or switched off depending on what traumas or what. Addictive type personalities, because we can get addictive constructive as well as destructive. So you can get that constructive where you're a workaholic or you go to the gym every day or, and that can be just as destructive, can't it? Absolutely. I've seen it. I was in the fitness industry for many years and There are people that, you know, worked out six hours a day is every day and we're obsessed with it and just never took a day off. And I'm like, you need to rest. You need to recover. Like that's just part, everything has to be balanced. Right. And people have this, and specifically I would say in our world today, you know, a lot of people, the overworked is. Celebrated, you know, the more you work, the harder you work, the, you know, you work 80 hours a week, you're going to get a promotion, right? Like it's celebrated to push yourself to the point of just being exhausted. And then one day you can't get out of bed and you know, what do you do? So I think that's. Society also embrace overwork and we think, Oh, it's a good thing, but it's not, not on the long term. You may have to do it for a week or two to, you know, help yourself or if something happens. But in the long term, it's all about balance, right? So it's that hard wiring again, isn't it? It's that hard wiring that we. Have grown up with, but I think it's even worse now, especially when you go on to social media, it's all that pressure that you've got to keep up with the Joneses it takes your breath away, doesn't it? You think, Oh my God, I can't, I can't deal with that. I could talk to you. night. You are so interesting and you're such a gorgeous human being. And I want to thank you for taking the time to come on today. And is there anything coming up that Clara wants to announce or that you've got any plans? Oh my god, you're so cute. Um, first of all, thank you and I am so happy we met online You know, I hope one day we can meet in person because what you do you're like my little Einstein of our world you're so smart in what you do online and what you share and you're research. You're like you test things and you try things. And I love that because that's how we continue to learn and to grow. So I love that. First of all, thank you for having me. But, I think that Chinese medicine has so much potential to continue to wow the world. And I think with people like you, with people that, you know, share all their knowledge online, we have an opportunity opportunity to really educate the world on possibility that they're not just having one option. There's many options. And you know, what you do is options. What I do are options. And so I'm excited about the future. In this year, July, 2024, this year, we're celebrating 10 years of Acupro Academy. So I'm having a big online zoom party. I hope you can come it's on the Friday on July 19th, and, we're going to have so much fun and it's just. It's time to celebrate that the internet has opened a door for all of us to be able to say, no, I'm not going to, you know, sit here and listen to someone that says you have no options. I'm going to look for options. And that's why I love the internet because it made us meet. Like a really opened connection and it opened the world to possibilities. So let's continue to do that. So thank you for having me. Oh, listen, it's a pleasure and huge congratulations. Of course, I would love to be there. Definitely. So I will be there celebrating with you and Clara. I honestly can't thank you enough for all of the hard work and effort that you put into your passion for TCM. Thank you.