Embarking on a journey from eager coder to independent freelancer, our returning guest Oluwaseye lays out the blueprint for navigating the tech world while honouring their neurodiversity. They delve into the nuances of building a thriving client base, crafting a website for an online service business, and balancing freelance work with their unique needs. This episode promises a roadmap for those seeking to marry their personal aspirations with their professional pursuits, all while defying the traditional job hunt in favour of self-sufficiency.
There are two points of note in finding a spouse. Firstly, having a relationship with God can be highly beneficial; Oluwaseye had asked God for the kind of spouse he wanted and Sarah was exactly what he prayed for. Secondly, finding a good church is another important aspect. Some churches may not be a good fit as was our guest's experience until Sarah invited him to a more welcoming church. A lot of these shortcomings are simply because of the human flaws of the people running the church.
Some of the negatives of autism in Oluwaseye's experience include depression, vulnerability to bad friends, and difficulty being understood. Some of the positives are his marriage, his friendships, and his closeness to God.
Finally, we turn the spotlight on the Autistic Black Coders initiative, a testament to the power of community and the importance of mentorship in forging a tech career that aligns with one's true calling. From project management to customer success, the opportunities for neurodiverse individuals in tech are vast and varied.
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Embarking on a journey from eager coder to independent freelancer, our returning guest Oluwaseye lays out the blueprint for navigating the tech world while honouring their neurodiversity. They delve into the nuances of building a thriving client base, crafting a website for an online service business, and balancing freelance work with their unique needs. This episode promises a roadmap for those seeking to marry their personal aspirations with their professional pursuits, all while defying the traditional job hunt in favour of self-sufficiency.
There are two points of note in finding a spouse. Firstly, having a relationship with God can be highly beneficial; Oluwaseye had asked God for the kind of spouse he wanted and Sarah was exactly what he prayed for. Secondly, finding a good church is another important aspect. Some churches may not be a good fit as was our guest's experience until Sarah invited him to a more welcoming church. A lot of these shortcomings are simply because of the human flaws of the people running the church.
Some of the negatives of autism in Oluwaseye's experience include depression, vulnerability to bad friends, and difficulty being understood. Some of the positives are his marriage, his friendships, and his closeness to God.
Finally, we turn the spotlight on the Autistic Black Coders initiative, a testament to the power of community and the importance of mentorship in forging a tech career that aligns with one's true calling. From project management to customer success, the opportunities for neurodiverse individuals in tech are vast and varied.
Join Today! NeuroEnigma Membership if you'd like to support this independent podcast, click for free ebookProducer & Host: Sarah Music: “She Royalty” by Amaro & “Whistle” by Lukas Got Lucky
Speaker 2:
Hello and welcome to Divining Egmar, a podcast that talks about how to navigate through the complexities of the workplace as a modern day professional, whilst simultaneously having a side hustle. We appreciate all of our audience members for taking some time out of their day to tune into another episode and look forward to providing you all with some value through our show today. My name is Sarah and I will be the host for this podcast. This podcast will be available on all platforms where you can find podcasts, including Spotify, amazon, apple Podcasts, and we're also on YouTube. Let's get started. Hey, hi, so.
Speaker 1:
Hi Cece.
Speaker 2:
You don't call me that. So how, where's Cece come from? Hmm, you don't call me that. So how? Where's this come from? Hmm, you don't call me that. So welcome back to Divining Eggmar again. Welcome back to Divining Eggmar again. We're getting a lot of return guests. My mum came back. Now you're back. So, yeah, a lot has changed. You came also in 2022 to divine and egma, yeah, but we have a mission and goal that we're gonna. You know, we're gonna get there, yeah, and the funny thing is the guess that I rebooked again. That couldn't turn up, but we carry on.
Speaker 1:
We just kept it moving. We keep it moving.
Speaker 2:
We don't let situations or things hold us back, no we don't do that. So, like I said, welcome back to Divine Enigma, happy to be back and you've had a lot of changes in the last two years. Yeah, you've had a lot of changes in the last two years, yeah. So when you were last on the show, I remember you were doing a software development course, which I know a lot about, um, and you had a goal of finding a job in 2023 yeah so can you give the audience an update on that.
Speaker 2:
What's what's, what's the what's happening now?
Speaker 1:
yeah, yeah, so, um, I've well, first of all, what you want to know. You know what the audience want to know about me.
Speaker 2:
First, well, they want to know what you've been doing in the last two years last two years.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, okay so, okay so now yeah so, um, just in the last two years, I've been away, um, I've been, uh, working um a lot of networking, going to a lot of networking, going to a lot of events, having more conversations with my wife me, yeah, that's my wife, my wife is here, talk about me like I'm not a plate and also having more relationship with God, that's my wife.
Speaker 2:
My wife is here, talk about me like another plate.
Speaker 1:
And also having more relationship with God. More as well, I will say, but also another thing as well what I've really done is that I've also always always so yeah, done is that, um, I've also always, always so yeah, I've always had a one-to-one, at least even if it's like once a week or once a month, with my mentors, so at least just to give them update, even if it's like, um, not really having a one-to-one with them face-to-face, but it's always either them have you finished the course now?
Speaker 2:
Yeah, of course. Okay. So you finished the course, I'm done. So did you go for? Because the audience wanted to know, did you get that job? Did you level up? What's going on with the software engineering? Software development, yes. Career path yeah.
Speaker 1:
So I think, with that one, my idea is that I think there's a lot, a lot of changes has been done a result of that software developer side. So, um, I know I've been work I mean working on my own big, massive projects with my business, which I'll talk about that a bit later, day one today but yeah, but also I have been doing a lot of updates, websites. I've been doing a lot of apps, just working on my craft basically.
Speaker 2:
Is that like do you freelance, or what?
Speaker 1:
does that? Look like yeah, so it's just mostly more about freelancing, more networking with people, but it's not but the freelancing, though, because I do know freelancing can be very, very overwhelming if you don't know what you're doing. So but the freelancing for me is like a people that I only know, or people that I know of that wants you know, that wants to you know, that wants me to build their project for them, basically.
Speaker 1:
So I think those are the circle people that I have been helping them, helping them, uh build their website Um yeah, so I do believe I think the last time I did a project for someone, uh, I go about 300 pounds.
Speaker 2:
Okay.
Speaker 1:
Just like a basic one.
Speaker 2:
Okay, what project was that?
Speaker 1:
So that's that one was for. Uh, there was this person, you know, there was someone that wanted, yeah, yeah. So, basically, you know, there's someone that I know, well know of, that wants me to build their project, and that one was for like a, like a, like an online service business. So help me with that website yeah, like an online website, for I think, um, I do believe it's for a. I'm trying to remember.
Speaker 2:
Now it has been a while, um don't worry about it, it will come back to you, okay?
Speaker 1:
yeah, that's true, yeah, so yeah, um, but basically, in other words, it was an online business, basically okay, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2:
So you spoke. You spoke about the importance of finding the company in the last episode that give proficiency to people that are neurodiverse.
Speaker 1:
Yeah.
Speaker 2:
So because you've now, I guess you've- changed the direction of looking for jobs to now working for yourself.
Speaker 1:
Yeah.
Speaker 2:
What kind of experiences you have in terms of finding the right employer to deal with your neurodiverse conditions. That is a very good question.
Speaker 1:
Myiverse conditions that is a very good question. My love, that's a very good question. Um, yeah, so with me that, basically because I have a machine on the spectrum of a narrow diversion you know, never diversity spectrum, so I can't just work for any company that I see. Okay, you know what I got my experience now with my mentor, which I'll talk about that later but, yeah, so I can't just work for anyone. Okay, you know what. I'm going to get a job out of this. After this, finish this project, I want to actually get a job. No, no, I'm actually going to work in this company that one. Oh, okay, work for, let's say, lois back, just for example, now, but let's say, just want the charity's job. Like, basically, I can't do that because I have to also think about, you know, the needs and what I'm capable of doing.
Speaker 1:
Basically Because obviously, you know, by me working in a corporate role, basically in a corporate company, it's going to be high demand and there's going to be expectation, like for me to meet those expectations of of demands there on their side to build a website, or to build or to build a app, or to manage this or or to manage or to manage you know, manage my own colleagues. Basically, there's going to be high demand there and if I don't really meet those demands of them, it's not going to be high demand there and if I don't really meet those demands of them, it's not going to work. I'll be still in trouble. So you know, you know, so I think it's, I think it's better for me to work for myself. Basically, yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2:
I mean entrepreneurial. The entrepreneurial world tends to fit a lot of neurodiverse people, exactly because they can I guess choose their hours, choose exactly how they want to work yeah um who they work for exactly um and the type of jobs they do as well, so I guess it sometimes works a bit better for someone who's entrepreneurial and neurodiverse, yeah. However, I might also add that some neurodiverse people prefer structure and sometimes employment is better for them.
Speaker 2:
But I guess that is for you to understand your mind and how you work exactly, so exactly, yeah, yeah okay. So I guess we dropped the whole, you know, idea of um, working for someone and we've gone down the road of being entrepreneurial.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, okay, so that's, that's a different thing, because I thought you know you really wanted to work for like a big corp, because I remember the last time we talked you were like, yeah, you want to work for a big organization like the likes of google or meta yeah, I kind of said to you yeah, they, they may have those things in place, but when it comes to the reality of working for them, it might not be the same thing that's what I'm saying because one thing I find, particularly when you have a neurodiverse condition, when you work for these, I guess, top five organizations.
Speaker 2:
They're good, they're very good they have like things like um diversity and inclusion teams and they'll have a lot of structure in terms of HR processes to ensure that people from diverse backgrounds are being like, looked after and things like that, but at the okay, I guess at the ground level. So, like the, the lower level, right on the ground level, some of the managers in those organizations don't know how to manage people that are neurodiverse exactly so they may say, yeah, when you're a diverse friendly, you take on your diverse people.
Speaker 2:
We are a company that don't care what background you come from, as long as you can do your job and we'll make the adjustment, adjustments in place. They'll say all these things on their website and all the things they have to say because of the size they are.
Speaker 2:
But when you go to like on a granular level, like some managers are like I don't know how to manage this neurodiverse yeah employee and it brings a lot of issues and then sometimes, in some cases and I'm not saying it's with any of those companies I've mentioned um, I don't want to say that, but you might find that then that person almost gets managed out. Managed out because the employer doesn't know how to deal with the neurodiverse condition yeah which isn't fair, because if just slight adjustments are made, that person can actually thrive.
Speaker 2:
But the problem is a lot of people are just looking at the disability rather than looking at the strengths that person has and what they bring to the team.
Speaker 2:
So um yeah, so yeah, and I kind of said that we, we don't know, just because they are big, it doesn't necessarily mean they are equipped to to deal with people with those type of conditions. But yeah, it's interesting. Now you've gone down the entrepreneurial route and, yeah, I'm, I'm really hoping that we stick to this route. So, um, since you last visited as well, um, you said that I asked you about have you learned any new methods or tools that have been particularly helpful in now going down this entrepreneurial journey? Because I know, as a neurodivergent, you need certain tools or certain things that you could use to help you manage your workload. What tools have you found? Now you want to elaborate?
Speaker 1:
yeah, sure, so, um, yeah. So basically the tools that I've found, even more is of, well, I've actually well, people know about all these tools anyway that, or know of them they might not yeah maybe yeah, but yeah, um, uh, what's got it? Yeah, so one of them is um, I've, I've, I've come across that I'm more using more chat TTP now. Oh yeah, basically chat TTP, so, and then also I'm using more with Grammarly, so like spelling checks and stuff, and then Speechify as well.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, that one's good.
Speaker 1:
Very, very good. And then also, I've also used like voice notes as well on my phone, on my laptop as well, I have a Talk to text. Yeah, basically, yeah, yeah talk to text Talk to text. Yeah, yeah, yeah, talk to text.
Speaker 2:
Yeah.
Speaker 1:
And then, and also Another one, you know, which I always use To choose as well. Last one, but this Is, is the what's the word. Again, this one.
Speaker 2:
Look it up this one Siri, siri, yeah, so I always use that Every Particular.
Speaker 1:
Every day. I always use it Every day. Word You're going to look it up this one Siri, siri, yeah, so I always use that every practically every day. I always use it every day.
Speaker 2:
I know.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, so you know, because sometimes all that might not be able to spell, some words it might be difficult for me to pronounce. You know it might be it might be longer for me to find it or type it in or it might not make sense. You know all those things or whatever. Just say it out, you know. So, yeah, I use that, yeah, so.
Speaker 1:
Okay, that's all oh, and also another thing as well, which I always go back to if I really really stuck, I always go back to my wife, because I to my wife, because I think my wife is more better at spelling, more than.
Speaker 1:
I am, so I can barely spell, but but at least you try, at least you you actually find more better than me, because sometimes I don't really. You know me, you know you. Actually you think they're next to me now what I'll do, wife, maybe just help me spell this word for me now.
Speaker 2:
I you know what. I might be a little bit better than my husband, but I'm an atrocious speller.
Speaker 2:
And I do use assistive text. So I'm not. I'm not any better, guys, I'm not any better, I really not Okay. So you mentioned the challenges of expressing many ideas and I remember when we on the podcast you, like you kind of described it like it's like a wall of information like spreading through your head. It's like it's so much. Have you found a way to kind of manage that now? Because I know I don't have autism, but I have ADHD and with the ADHD brain you can have all these different things you need to do, but you can't executively function properly sometimes. Um, to be ADHD is a beautiful thing, but it also can be a very frustrating thing at times because you're like why isn't my brain working today?
Speaker 2:
And I've got too many ideas, so like um what have you done to? Overcome that Cause I can tell you what I've done, but like yeah. So how how have you managed to overcome like, like, all the ideas that you have in your head and it's just spinning around like crazy, like last time on the podcast? You said that sometimes you have so many ideas.
Speaker 1:
it's just oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, yeah, so I'm very happy to share, so, um, what I've done. So, what I've done actually I've done three things actually. I've done. So one. If something is really overwhelming for me, for me to handle, or I've got too much information in my head I don't know where to go, or I'm a bit lost, or I don't know how to do it, I always talk to my God. I always go to God. I always ask Him questions, questions. God, please help me with this. I have so much ideas I don't know what to do and he will show me. When I'm sleeping, you know, you know in the room, I'm not going to say anything else apart from that one. But yeah, when I'm sleeping, basically with my wife here, basically, you know, god just speaks to me, that's what. Secondly is that you know in the room as well, with my wife as well. I have a boat. I have a white boat, very small very cheap.
Speaker 1:
actually, my wife was the one that bought it for me anyway. To be honest, I think it was about yeah, very cheap. Actually, my wife was the one that bought it for me anyway, to be fair, I think it was about 20 or 30 pounds or something like that on eBay, I remember so. But basically that's what. Yeah, you know, I actually write all my ideas on that board there, yeah. So when I now write it down and I'll slash it down for those three things there Sorry, I mean three tasks.
Speaker 2:
So three things to do each day, yeah.
Speaker 1:
And then, the last thing in all these, I'll just go to my wife. I say, wife, look, I know what to do this day. I say, wife, look, I don't want to do this to you. I need your help, please hold, because sometimes, you know, it's good to have a partner, it's good to have a companion, it's good to have what's it called a spouse, you know. But, moreover, you know those of you that are looking for, they're looking for um, I know this doesn't really talk to me topic.
Speaker 2:
You know this is a whole new topic, yeah, but but you can still talk about it if you want to that's fine, thank you.
Speaker 1:
So now, um, now, those of you out there that are looking for a partner, that are looking for the right spouse, you know, I think, two things that I will say to look for the right spouse is have a relationship with your God. When I met my wife at 2018, I actually went down to the road of. I wrote down every single thing, what I asked my next wife to be down Basically. So I asked God I want my next wife to be half Ghana and half Niger. It's not more than that I ask God for, but those two, just that one. That's the one, just one. Those are the top of my list that I wanted, and God and I look at it now, that's one. Secondly, is there another, you know another thing, or the one I could actually recommend? Those of you that are looking for a partner or spouse?
Speaker 1:
You know, reached another thing out of what I could actually recommend those of you who are looking for partner or spouse even wife, even husband too, you know is, I think, find the right church for yourself, because sometimes yeah, I've come across that, you know, and I'll tell you a little bit background what happened to me years ago the church that I used to go to was no good at all, and my wife can bash for me too, right here. She's sitting right here now. So the church I used to go to wasn't good. It was only the church that my wife told me to come to. I felt a bit more welcome there, you know. So that's one of the reasons why it's good to go to the right church for yourself. Yes, even the churches themselves are not really perfect for themselves, which I agree. So majority of majority of churches nowadays now are just falling apart, and you're going to go into that details anywhere anyway.
Speaker 2:
Anyway, yeah, there's a lot of um. Yeah, there's a lot of falling and distrust in the church at the moment, but what we have to understand about church is that it's run by people and people are not perfect.
Speaker 1:
Exactly.
Speaker 2:
Only God is perfect.
Speaker 1:
Exactly, so yeah.
Speaker 2:
We have to understand that too. Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1:
So, yes, that's what? Yes, those are the only two that I will say. Those of you who are looking for a wife, especially wife and husband.
Speaker 2:
Okay, I do have a question for you, um. So your story is quite in going to be quite inspirational. In fact, I always say this, that your episode, like um, it's probably one of the most popular episodes that I've, that I tend that people tend to be gravitated towards I don't know what it is, because yeah, I don't know what it is, because every day I don't know what it is, because it's a husband and wife couple or whatever it is. Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 1:
But people just seem to love Episodes with couples.
Speaker 2:
I think people love love. Yeah, people love love. So, yeah, that's probably. But I would say, like You're an inspiration to other Eurodiversity professionals, I'm trying to um and what, and particularly someone who is young and maybe they've just been diagnosed or they might not necessarily be young but, they've just been diagnosed with a neurodiverse condition and they want to try and navigate into the world of tech and manager learning difficulty. What advice would you give them?
Speaker 1:
good question they should come to my business of autistic black coders. That's one, secondly, which I'll talk about that later. Secondly, they should even come to Divine Enigma, which is my wife's business too.
Speaker 2:
This is the podcast Divine Enigma, but yeah, Basically yeah. Listen to it.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, and then we put the notes on the show notes for you to listen to. And the thirdly, which I'm going to mention the owner of this business later, is Kone Mbafibos. That's a very, very good business. That's a very good community that is all based on black women that also get into the tech industry but what about black men?
Speaker 1:
black men are fine, no offense, all black men are fine. No offense, all black men are okay. Just the black women may have more. We'll talk about that later. But yeah, there's a lot. There's a lot of unravel stories right there, but anyway, it's okay.
Speaker 2:
But black men are fine, but there might be black men who are autistic or black boys who are autistic, so you know, they might want to become software developers. Where did they go?
Speaker 1:
Well, they can come to Autistic Black Coders, okay.
Speaker 2:
So tell us about Autistic Black Coders.
Speaker 1:
Can I tell you guys later?
Speaker 2:
No, tell us now. We want to know what is autistic. You keep talking about Autistic Black Coders us now. We want to know what is autistic. You keep talking about Autistic black coders and the audience Want to know what it is, because this is your. Okay, I'll tell you guys.
Speaker 2:
This is a thing that my husband Oluwase has been working on Probably for the last Six months. He's managed to get An email list Of quite a number Of people who are really interested in what he's doing, but he just needs to get the product ready. Um, so he literally has that community who want to learn, but learn from a neurodivergent perspective. So things like how, how does a neurodiverse mind work when it comes to tech? And it's it's, it's the intersectionality of being black autistic as well. Yeah, um, because, um, we do.
Speaker 2:
We do know about neurodiverse people in tech, like, for example, we know steve jobs was dyslexic and we know, like, people in business, like richard branston was dyslexic as well, but the the difference between Steve Jobs and Richard Branson? They're both essentially middle-class white men, so their lens of what it is to deal with a neurodiverse condition will not be the same lens that you would see from someone who is black and neurodiverse, let alone black and autistic, which comes with a different kind of um challenge, I guess. Yeah, so I don't want to see as a challenge, but there, let's be real, there are challenges that come with autism, um, and we need to make the tech that sits well with people who are autistic, yeah, yeah. So talk about autistic black coder. What will people who are autistic and black get from autistic black coders?
Speaker 1:
so I'm definitely going to say a little bit more details on what exactly those of you are going to be black or autistic and want to get into the tech industry. So I'll talk about that a little bit more details later. However, as my wife asked me this question and she's really eager to ask me this question every time, you know I will just say briefly about it. So, autistic black means that, um, it's just trying to get, uh, young students and kids to have a form of community of how to get into the tech industry or how to become a full stack developer or full stack engineering. Sorry, yeah.
Speaker 1:
And also creating your own business too.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, and I feel like Autistic Black Coder can go further, because obviously you wanted to get a job in tech but now you were done the entrepreneurial route and maybe some autistics might not want to do software development but they might want to do other stuff in tech, like product management or project management and things, and that's still all part of the tech industry, even the customer success managers, where you are dealing with software and you've got to make the customer happy with the software that he was, you know, yeah, managing or selling to them.
Speaker 2:
So yeah tech is not just everyone coding. Not everyone has, not everyone wants to code, yeah, um, and that should be open for all. So I'm really excited about autistic black coders. I feel, like it's something needed. I know, and there's a lot of people in the tech space that are probably undiagnosed or possibly on the spectrum but, they don't know, they have it.
Speaker 1:
Oh, and also another thing as well to watch anyone that wants to come on board just strictly black people, so male, female is that is that you know you definitely get yourself a specialist, you know doctor, which I'll talk about that later a bit more detail.
Speaker 1:
You know, you know definitely get a mentor that is right for you. You definitely get like a accountability buddy as well, which I will be putting that in place to make sure you get the right accountability buddy that is assigned to you. And also you know another thing what you also get the right accountability body that assigned to you. And also you know another thing, what you also get as well, is that you also get some kind of experience within, inside, inside inside a tech business organization, so that, for example, let's say, you know we could actually go to Meta or Facebook or we could actually go to Mozo or Backless Back or something, and just shadow someone that is already there, you know, even if it's just for like a week or maybe two weeks or so, just to shadow them with them. So, yeah, basically shadow with them just to see and see if you fit yourself or see yourself coming to this type of organization Basically which I even forgot to mention that as well.
Speaker 2:
Okay, so beyond, there's a lot more, oh. Okay, but I'll tell you that to mention that as well. Okay, so beyond, there's a lot more, oh okay, but totally down. So, beyond like software development, do you see yourself venturing into other areas of tech in future and if you do, let me know?
Speaker 1:
I think the only thing I will put myself involved with is just tech. However, I am very keen and strong about education as well, because that aligns with what I'm doing anyway. So, funny enough, you know something. There's something really good that my wife told me, even yesterday, in fact. To be honest with you, what did I say?
Speaker 1:
my wife told me yesterday was that, yeah, there's no point in you doing being doctor or being, or being engineer, or being customer service assistant or, you know, being a what's it called? Accountant, or being this or being that. You know what you can do here. Remember, basically you know what you could do here is fit yourself in a position where it aligns with your business.
Speaker 2:
So autistic black coders, basically yeah, so I I said to you that it's important in life that you do things that are aligned with your purpose, yeah, and the goals you have in mind. Yeah, there's no point in going on to do stuff that doesn't align with the purpose that you have for yourself and the goals that you want to make. So, for example, like you know you, you can't, you can't go on to do I don't know, I'm just going to pick a random industry hairdressing, I don't even know. Like no offense, nothing to hairdressers, but I'm just saying, like I want to be a hairdresser, but you've never shown any interest in hair, yeah, you've never done anything to do with hair. And then you want to go into hairdressing randomly, um, and then you finally don't enjoy it. Is that the purpose? Is that the alignment that you want for yourself? It's it's very important to understand what you want for yourself, yeah, and if that aligns with your purpose.
Speaker 2:
And I think we're also talking about the other thing, about people talking about having seven to be a millionaire, you need seven streams of income. And people think that to be a millionaire, that some people, like some people, think in their heads that to get seven streams of income, I have to be a hairdresser, a nail tech, then I have to go and work in the bakery, then I'm going to do um project management, and then that's how I'll get myself in streams of income. And that's not how it works. You find something that you're very good at. So, for example, you have a podcast. Okay, through that podcast, you get affiliate links. Yeah, you manage to get some seo onto your website. Yeah, that drives traffic to your podcast. Podcast. That brings you money. And then, through the podcast, maybe you upload on youtube. Youtube then pays you.
Speaker 2:
You, you become part of youtube's um, you know affiliate program and you start making money through youtube yeah that's a, that's a um, you know an income stream and then through that you might make digital products, and those digital products you'll make money through that and then, through that because people see you, you might get called for speaking gigs. Yeah, you get paid for that, and then that's how you accumulate your seven streams of income, but that's because you're doing something that aligns with your goals and purpose. Yes, so you'll focus your attention on getting those things. Yes, and that will make you have seven streams of income, exactly.
Speaker 2:
But a lot of people think, oh, let me do random, random, random things and I'm going to get seven streams of income and doesn't work like that. So when people say, oh, this is how you become a millionaire, it's not that way. You have to do that different things. And again, yeah, through just knowledge of understanding how money works. You know, you'll put money in stocks and shares and ices and in the s&p 500. Yeah, put the money away and forget about it. Um, you might put some money in crypto, but maybe not a lot of money, because crypto is a bit volatile, but that's a way of generating income. You know, and that's how you become a millionaire not doing random things that don't make any sense or like with a goal and purpose. Um, and I feel like for me, um, I think, a lot of the time people are always worried about a long, long run, so they're like, they want quick money, especially young people. These young people nowadays, they want they want the soft life today.
Speaker 2:
They, they want to. They want everything right now. They want to be the trad wife or all these trends that happen right now. But everything you do, you have to be wise you have to make increment changes each day.
Speaker 2:
Even if it's like one percent of yourself, you change each day yeah that is an incremental change and that means that you're getting better each day, whatever you're doing. So sometimes you've got to ride the waves of feeling like, oh, things are hard, but you've got to push through each day to make sure that you're doing like a little bit each day that will bring those forms of seven streams of income.
Speaker 2:
But, I think that's what I was trying to kind of come across in terms of what I was talking about, because I think people do have it a bit confused about, yeah, to make money in that way, and and and to keep money as well is important because you can make money, but if you don't know how to keep it, then you know it becomes an issue too yeah, and just add to that, my dear is that.
Speaker 1:
Um, and there's something else that my wife told me as well. I think this was last year. Um, basically, my wife told me that what do I want to say? Yeah, so, basically, yeah, so, basically. You know, my wife told me last year I can't remember what year, by the way, last year basically. And she told me that share, share, share, share, share, share, share, share, share, share, share, share. Starting a business. Yeah, it's not easy. You know, there was this program that my wife was on a few, I think probably last year yeah, yeah, yeah and that program didn't really help her at all to go through.
Speaker 1:
I think probably last year or so. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and that program didn't really help her at all to graduate. So I don't really know why. That was because she spent quite a lot of money on that program and she expected to get a good return back in her investments.
Speaker 2:
But it seems that that's not good. Yeah, there's a lot of people out there I don't want to mention names, but there are a lot of people out there that claim to be, I guess, coaches or business gurus. They know what they're doing and they don't really know what they're doing. They can be quite prominent and they can seem genuine and the information they're saying is true essentially, but when it comes to actually supporting people that want to learn this information that might not necessarily be so forthcoming or willing to help you with that. Um, and that's what I find that when people get to a certain stage in their career where they're making millions or they've got millions of followers, they forget that the people that are behind you, you know, supporting you, behind you, even in a small way. It's almost like they kind of dismiss you as a person, and I felt that's how I felt on that particular program, but I don't want to go into too much detail about it because it was a very hard time for us last year.
Speaker 2:
Anyway, I feel that we're going to be wrapping up, so I'd like to ask like three questions. Go ahead, um. Normally with most of my guests, I do ask this, so we're going to ask the three you love tapping yourself, shaya. The three um negative things now about your neurodiversity, now that you've gone through this, and the three positive and we end with a positive yeah, that's good.
Speaker 1:
So three negative. So um three negative about my autism basically. I will say going to a dark place, which means going into depression, so basically suffering from depression.
Speaker 2:
Okay, number one.
Speaker 1:
That's one.
Speaker 2:
Two.
Speaker 1:
Um not having no, um having a bad people around me or being around bad people?
Speaker 2:
Yeah, being gullible to friendships as well. And number three, and last one is it's good that you're finding it hard because, like before, it was so easy, so it means that you've gone to a different place. If it's only two negatives, it's fine.
Speaker 1:
Number three is not not finding the no. Yeah, number three um not finding the right.
Speaker 2:
No, um Not finding the right people to understand you. Yeah, okay, and three positives, oh being married. My daddy wife. Is that autism? Okay, I'll take it, yeah.
Speaker 1:
And um you know, being around, oh, connecting back with my old friends. Huh, okay, okay, which is very good and we had an amazing wedding as well, yeah we did, and then also, and lastly not least, um yeah, just being around, oh, and also more connecting on having more relationship with God you feel more connected to God because of your autism.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, okay, all, right then. Okay, well, I guess that's a wrap. I just want to let our audience members know. Right then? Okay, well, I guess that's a wrap. I just want to let our audience members know about the six week coaching program that I'll be offering for people who are neurodivergent or who want to improve their career prospects in general, or for those who want to get into project management. You can also be non-neurodivergent as well. I mentioned this in the previous episodes, but I just want to make the time to offer up to those who may be looking for help in those areas in their life, as it's a great way to learn a new skill to help you advance in your career.
Speaker 2:
I'm also offering support to people who want to pass the PRINT2 practitioner exam.
Speaker 2:
Because I have taken and failed the test a few times, I would like to help others, showing them how I passed. I'm also launching my membership, neuroenigma, in which you will get a supportive community, career and business mentorship, monthly group coaching calls, networking opportunities, mental health well-being days and unlimited body doubling sessions, and we also want to meet in the UK and, very soon, international meetups. I'm also working with the British Dyslexia Association and Lexic, one of the UK's biggest neurodiversity organisations, to ensure our members get full, free neurodivergency assessments, accredited with an educational psychologist or doctor. If this sounds like something you are interested and like to learn more, please reach out and talk to me directly about the membership. Please follow me on all platforms where you listen to podcasts. Thank you for listening to Divine Enigma and if you got to the end, this is a safe place for project managers and professionals, side hustlers and business owners to give you the tools and tips on how to navigate the complexity of being neurodiverse in the workplace. I'll see you soon.
