Navigating the Future of AI and Blockchain with Futurist Jonathan Capriola

Get set for a mind-expanding journey as we navigate the intriguing world of AI and blockchain with our special guest, Jonathan Capriola, the innovative CEO and founder of AI Blockchain Ventures. Jonathan, a best-selling author, successful entrepreneur, and futurist, captivates with his unique perspective on the rapidly evolving world of technology. As we unpack his journey from creating a Lego embedded with a LED that drew attention from significant investors, to using AI to write his bestselling book, you'll find yourself fascinated by the complexity and potential of AI and blockchain.

We turn our gaze to the future, exploring Elon Musk's ambitious plans for AI-enabled chipsets and robots, Amazon's robot rollout, and the curious AI girlfriend phenomenon. Discussing the intersection of AI and blockchain, you'll find our conversation compelling as we delve into the potential of these technologies in security, privacy, and record-keeping. Jonathan's insights on how AI can help scale blockchain to increase efficiency, and the potential societal impacts of AI, will leave you contemplating the exciting future that lies ahead.

Finally, we explore how embracing AI and blockchain technologies can revolutionize organizations. Jonathan offers his insights on how AI's automation of mundane tasks can lead to efficiency and growth. We also highlight the critical aspect of cybersecurity, emphasizing the need for investment in security software and effective planning to shield organizations from cyber threats. Through our enlightening conversation, we aim to inspire you to consider the potential of these technologies in your own lives and businesses. Buckle up for this riveting journey into the future of AI and blockchain.

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:09

Welcome to this episode of Security Market Watch. I'm your host, Josh Bruning, and this is the show that goes straight to the source. We go right to everybody who's in the industry, the people who are in the weeds for cybersecurity analysis, industry updates, industry insights, everything you need to know about the cybersecurity business. And today our guest is Jonathan Capriola, who is the CEO and founder of AI Blockchain Ventures. Jonathan, welcome to Security Market Watch, Thanks for having me on.

Speaker 2: 0:46

Welcome to.

Speaker 1: 0:47

Security Market Watch.

Speaker 2: 0:49

I love it, so I appreciate this. I know it's a long time coming. Maggie's been talking about me being on the show for like 60 days, 90 days or something, and I was like, hold on, hold on, we'll get there. But now I'm starting to do podcasts again, so this is good, awesome.

Speaker 3: 1:04

And we're glad to talk to you. Well, I was going to say specifically, I was told to wait because you had a book coming out, so let's just start right there. My, my, yeah and funny enough.

Speaker 2: 1:15

It hit number one on cybersecurity on Amazon and one other. I should know it. It has to do with security on Amazon. So for some reason, cryptograph I think it was it hit number one within 48 hours of being released. And I'm I it humbled me really quickly and was like wow, because you know, when you release something, you don't know if anyone's going to even look at it. And I do things a little backwards. I release something, then I hype it up. I don't hype things up and then release, like you're supposed to in crypto and some other things we can get into, but I just do things a little backward. I'd rather it out so people don't think that it's like a scam or something.

Speaker 1: 1:54

It's a lot of those out there in the world. Yeah, it's also a lot of pressure, right? If you're going to, if you're going to hype it up, then you really got to release the book. Yeah, there's a pro and con on that, though.

Speaker 2: 2:03

They say that it's good to hype something up so it gets you momentum to to work and do that, but I already have that work ethic. I don't need to hype anything up, I just go, go at it.

Speaker 1: 2:11

So um Boy. That would have the opposite effect on me.

Speaker 2: 2:14

A lot of people want to ask did you use AI? No, I used. I leveraged AI. Um, meaning, if I didn't understand something, I went to AI and asked certain questions to it. So I want to get that out. No, it's not written by AI at all. Um, amazon, barnes and Noble, all those? Um Apple, google, they all scrub your book. So when you publish on their site, they make sure that you dent did not. They have the tools. I guess um that. So you they know that. You know chat GPT didn't recite your book or read it for you. Um, I do leverage AI as a technology. I don't utilize it as a go to for everything, but it does help and you'd be a fool not to leverage it, I think.

Speaker 1: 2:53

Well, my personal humble opinion, I mean.

Speaker 3: 2:55

I would have the answer from someone owning a company called AI blockchain ventures. So right.

Speaker 1: 3:01

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I study AI and I love AI and I talk about AI and AI is my life. Did you use AI?

Speaker 2: 3:08

No, I, I utilize, I leveraged uh, you know some of the aspects of it. Like you know, if you're writing the chapter on security, you know what are what are top. You know what are the top five things on security.

Speaker 3: 3:20

You know that we need to know and um, Well, if you saw on a collaborative publication like that, I think you said you had what? 22 authors, or or, so yeah, I did.

Speaker 2: 3:29

I was getting ready to say I did use ghost writing, editing, um, because I'm not the best writer, I'm just not. I didn't go, you know, to MIT or I didn't even go to college. So, um, I, I'm a really good idea guy, and those ideas get accentuated and expressed even more so and put on steroids, so to speak, with the right human beings involved. Finding the right human beings is a whole nother book. It's a whole nother podcast, um, but I do search for them. You know. I always, I always say, you know, I always say this um, bill Gates doesn't know how to writenet, but he can surround himself with the right people who do not know how to write. That that ages me a little bit, but back in, when that was significant, yeah, um, uh, you know, that was a cool thing to say.

Speaker 1: 4:13

You know, I never took that approach to. I'm a writer and I've never thought of that. Now I'm just thinking shoot man, maybe I would have published a book by now If I just took that approach. Think about your book as a product. You know, I always talk about information being a product and we build products with teams. Why not build a book?

Speaker 3: 4:29

That's well, that's what I was just gonna say. I love your approach, because that's what we did on our book too. We had 12 authors and it really, in my opinion, you just get so much more data that way, especially at least in this industry.

Speaker 2: 4:41

I'll say yes, and and you also get like I might think something's correct for, like, a global audience, but then my way, my Italian culture and my upbringing doesn't really um flow correctly with that. So you have someone else's opinion to say no, I've been doing this, you know, 10 years, john, you don't, you don't write like that, you don't. You can say it, but you have to use these words To say what you're going to say. You know, um, I'm I was taught very like. I use my hands. I'm doing it right now and I'm very direct and sometimes it puts people off. They're just like whoa, most of the time actually, to be honest with you. So, with that stated, it's best to surround yourself with you know you know, the great people I.

Speaker 2: 5:24

You don't hire a brain surgeon and tell him how to operate. You let him do his thing. So you look for the best brain surgeon if you're going to. That's my little acknowledging me and that's. That seems to be okay. Um, it's, it's. Finding those people is the hard, really hard part. Specifically, if you spend money prior and then you realize they're not the right person and then you try to get your money back, that can be. That can be a job on itself.

Speaker 1: 5:49

Yeah. It's like any other business when you're starting, you know it's just it's an up and battle the book.

Speaker 2: 5:55

I put a lot of passion in it and I I actually, you know I registered addicted to silencecom four years before I wrote this book.

Speaker 1: 6:04

So I knew that I was going to write a book, so a little bit of pressure.

Speaker 2: 6:08

And I kept it and I kept it. And I remember that, um, my card wasn't on file and I lost the domain for like a week and I went crazy, yelled at a lot of people around me and, uh, they got me my domain back and I was like cool, great. And then about a year later, I wrote it, and then I wrote it with a series in mind, so it's addicted to silence in the new age of AI. But I have other um series that I will launch behind this.

Speaker 1: 6:34

Addicted to noise. That's the next one.

Speaker 2: 6:37

Addicted. There's so many things you can be addicted to, oh wow.

Speaker 1: 6:41

Yeah, that's, that's a never ending series. That was perfect, john, I must commend you. Yeah, you've chosen an app title that ensures that you're going to have a lifetime of series because, like you said, you can be addicted to anything.

Speaker 2: 6:53

Yeah, well, when we were off you know talking um before this, you know I told you that, like when I die, I want to contribute, I want to know what I've contributed to society. I guess when you're dead, you're dead, so it doesn't really matter, but for me, I it does. I like to put some great things out there. I did that with my toy and I uh, when I invented the toy product and it went global um in 58 countries and 160 toy awards. And now I'm doing it again with this book.

Speaker 2: 7:17

Um, I wrote a previous book, um called making ideas of reality um step by step guide for inventors and entrepreneurs. I used nine books for that particular book, this book. I used a lot more than that, and then a large team um, which is costly to do, but it does give you a very amazing product at the end of the day, like you said, and um, books only have what an a any product has, like an 18 months shelf life on. You know, on it um, if you're lucky. So I don't look at it as that you. You can look at some other books. I have over 500 off to the. You can't see them, but there's about 500 a year.

Speaker 2: 7:52

That's not even half my collection, and I told you off-screen as well that I love to read. It's one of the. It's like my garden, it's like my escape. Um, I love diving into. I've. There's another great book that's I hate to plug other people's book um, the metaverse really good book, really really good book about what's coming where, where we're going, um, and things like that. So I'd like to listen to you know, certain people's takes. Here's another one, since Dubai and um AUEs are up and coming, my story, one of the best quotes on here is uh, and I love this and I, I highlight the books and I, I put all of these notes and stuff. You can kind of see them a little nuts with that. Um, he says I'd rather sleep on the floor in a desert and deal with scorpions than human beings. And he's the ruler of Dubai. So that I'll tell you and.

Speaker 2: 8:46

I concur with that statement.

Speaker 1: 8:48

In this book, and I think it was in chapter one or two, he says that so is it a statement on this, the human condition and what it's like to be a human being and to be in power and politics?

Speaker 2: 9:02

Yeah, so power comes in a lot of forms, right, it comes in a lot of forms and a lot of people deal with it differently. You've seen it Prince dealt with it different, Michael Jackson dealt with it different these people that grow up rough and then they come into a power of hey, I can fill out an auditorium with 200,000 people, or stuff like that. It affects people differently, so it's how they utilize it. And I think that whenever you get in pressure situations with ruling an entire area of people, there's a lot of pressure, and then you see on your team the different sides of human nature that want that power or that envy. You. Envy is the worst, right? So you have to deal with humans on all levels.

Speaker 2: 9:52

When I was a little toy company and I was only selling to the little mom and pops, it was still. I mean, I was blowing up pretty fast. But when Target came aboard and prepaid me $17 million, that changed everything. People came out of the woodwork to meet with me. They came out of the woodwork to get what I had. They came out of the woodwork to ride the coattails of my successes. And you don't experience that until you do experience that, unfortunately. And so there's really no, there's nowhere to prepare for that. And so then you get to meet the true human beings of the world that you surround yourself with and that has a huge impact on you. It really does.

Speaker 2: 10:35

You know, I've seen it with Gary Vee and I've seen it with some other people. I mean Gary keeps stouting some really amazing things when you see him on video and I love his videos. But you know, I wonder how. I mean he is running a major company and I know there's a lot of pressures there to run a major company. I've I've met many, many billionaires and I've looked at their companies and I've hung out with them and I've watched their companies and it's chaos. It's chaos from Monday to Monday and you have to deal with all different facets coming at you and that changes you, Whether you, whether you say it does or doesn't, I promise you you become a different person. I went on a sabbatical, basically after I was done, with my company, the toy business. The toy business is intense because it's like the music.

Speaker 1: 11:24

So, jonathan, real quick, before we jump into the book. I want to hear about your book. I want to hear about the AI, blockchain and all that stuff. You keep bringing up the toy. I'm super curious what is this toy?

Speaker 2: 11:34

So I embedded a LED inside of a Lego and I had each one connect to each other and they lit up and I was funded by Greg Norman and his great white shark opportunity fund, and the name should pretty much stout from what it actually is. It ended pretty badly, so I had to get the DOJ and the FBI involved. That's how bad it ended. However, the ride taught me a lot of lessons out there in the world that I had to deal with, and we're talking about Greg Norman. He took the entire PGA to a live LIV Dubai and then wrote an article on how he did it.

Speaker 2: 12:14

So it's like I'm not saying anything bad or anything. I'm just saying the audience can go do their own diligence. However, the ride of my toy there's no fluff, I mean, it is what it is and I invented it in my garage and a little $150,000 house back in the day a long time ago and I was driving a Ferrari at the end of the day. But I sold out in Dubai Mall two times. I sold out in Costco four years in a row, sold out in Target for a long time, many, many months. So I rode that wave and it was good and it was a great experience, and all I can tell you is I can reflect on that and tell you that it's a totally different. Like people wish they had this and they wish they had that, until you actually have it and you're in the middle of it and you're like you have to make all these decisions like this.

Speaker 1: 13:03

You're one human being. You've got to do it all Correct.

Speaker 2: 13:07

You're wearing all these hats, whether you like it or not, because at the end of the day, you've borrowed money from someone and you're responsible for that money. Right, I would enter this. I had 17 offices and six bathrooms and three conference rooms and a 40,000 square foot warehouse. It was massive and I'll tell you, I used to enter the glass door of that building and just be like it. I felt a lot of pressure and after you feel that kind of pressure when you're done with it, you know it's hard to start something else. It's hard. So when you see someone like an Elon Musk or you see someone out there running all these companies, you're just like there's zero social life. There's no way, because you know it's just too much. There's just too there's logistics involved and there's just so many. Just logistics alone is a nightmare. Getting things from point A to point B on time and with quality. It's a job all in itself.

Speaker 1: 13:57

May I ask did your? Did your your not just your social life, but your, your personal? No-transcript.

Speaker 2: 14:04

I don't know if you have a wife or kids, or you know you're a wife and three kids of 27 year or 22, 23 years now, what did you put them through?

Speaker 1: 14:12

Did they suffer a little bit? Or yeah, everyone did wow, yeah.

Speaker 2: 14:15

So, like Everybody, everybody around me, if I was in a bad mood, so it was it was like I'm not making excuses for Tyrants or bad mouth speaking or anything like that. You know, you become a prodigy of your environment. If your environments chaos and doesn't have systems in place, then that's what you become. And with a BV, the first thing I said is we're gonna do everything systematically. We're gonna talk to people systematically, we're going to Roll out our technology systematically and we're gonna have a transparency, a mechanism involved. And that's so you know, you're, you're able.

Speaker 2: 14:50

If you learn from the mistakes that you made Previous and you're able to jump off that lily pad onto a better lily pad, you can succeed. And this time I'm not gonna go gangbusters like I've turned customers away from a ABV so I don't have to deal with Like I'm being very choosing on the projects. Before, when you're selling a toy that has an 18 month shelf life, You're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. And and then you try to grow a brand after you've said yeah to a bunch of people that are discounting your product and doing this, and it gets very difficult.

Speaker 1: 15:23

So everything in their interest, not necessarily in yours, huh, correct 100% Mm-hmm this time, instead of having yet there's a.

Speaker 2: 15:29

There's a fine line between perception and perspective, you know. So now you know my perspective, my perception of what it, what it could be and what it is. And then you take your shoes, you take your feet out of your own shoes and put them into other people's shoes and learn from their perspective, their perspective, of what you're selling, how you're running your operations and stuff. That's a big change there. So, and I think you should do that with security as well you, you don't. You don't go into the software security going. Well, hackers, you got to look from a hacker standpoint, right In order. You know, I went, we, we took this course on security and the first thing they teach you was a zero trust policy. And I started laughing.

Speaker 2: 16:11

You know, it kind of goes back to the scorpion, the scorpion thing, the story I said earlier. There's a zero trust pile. It's the first thing you learn. You don't open links that you know that you don't know who they're from zero trust. So it's kind of like wow, and that correlates a lot into it's hard. It's a hard way to live, but if you live that way, you, you know you have to. Trust is earned right over time. So you know, I dated my wife seven years before I married her, you know, and then I married her. Now We've been together 23 years. I mean we have a pretty cool oh, that's the best, pretty cool relationship, I think. Yeah, it's a more strong, and it's much stronger now than it ever has been. We just had an anniversary, so Congratulations, and then we have.

Speaker 2: 16:50

We have three amazing kids. They're doing well. They're all averaging like 4.8 GPAs and stuff.

Speaker 1: 16:55

So yeah, they're, they're close my mind, the kids who get like 110%. I'm like where are these extra percentages?

Speaker 3: 17:02

I thought I only went up to 100 you hear about what your kid tell them, what your kids do.

Speaker 2: 17:07

So you can follow them on github At Devin Capriola and at Gavin Capriola. So there's no fluff and there's no lying there. You know They've had job offers from the DOJ and a lucky Martin through their github account at age 14. They're only 15. They code at a college level, the ML and AI. They love AI. They love it because let me explain something the last three weeks They've been working on a model and they've gotten this result from it, this, and I said are you tired of it? Yet they're like no, and I would be like you know, three weeks of my time I think I didn't get anything, like it's not happening. I would go psychotic.

Speaker 1: 17:44

Well, think of all the wasted time that we spent on just. I mean, at least they're using their time in a productive way. All the I have spent way more than three weeks at a time when I was 14, doing stuff that just did not pay off was not worth it.

Speaker 2: 17:59

That goes back to when they were really young and I didn't know if they understood it or not. I I had them do a book report on the power of habit and so that kind of gave them an idea and they did a very thorough, but I still have it.

Speaker 2: 18:11

Actually it's amazing, both of them and they're very thorough and, and it's great, because then they understand how valuable time is. You know, when you are 14, you look at time totally different than I do at 48, right? So they, they have all the time in the world and they don't. Time is something you never get back once it's spent. Yeah, it's something we all have, that's equal 24 hours in the day, but it's how we spend it that makes us who we are at the end Of the day. So I think that it's very important to utilize that one particular subject extremely. Caution with caution, and I think they utilize it extremely well, but they do. They play hockey. So don't don't think that they're nerds by any, but they are definitely nerds. And the technology?

Speaker 1: 18:50

Hey, nerds are different these days. Nerds are in like what was a nerd when I was a kid? I mean, when I was kid I was a nerd. I mean I had the glasses, the turtleneck, the khakis.

Speaker 2: 19:01

I even took the dress code to the oh absolutely and braced it.

Speaker 1: 19:06

If you open the dictionary and you saw the word nerd right next to it, would be a picture of me With my big Steve Urkel glasses.

Speaker 3: 19:12

I'm gonna see Phil any better. At one point I had braces with like 20 rubber bands across and I couldn't even open my mouth. Oh man like sort with boys like that now, oh god yeah.

Speaker 1: 19:22

Hey, we put all the work in for the nerd so that today nerds are hot.

Speaker 2: 19:26

Yeah no, it's uh, you know, it's interesting how they change and they change rapidly from 13 to 15, 15 to, you know, 16, and and so forth. So it's it's fun watching them change. I even have a 10 year old. He's coding. He's got about 110, 120 hours in code. He is more on the unreal side. He wants to learn gaming and stuff like that.

Speaker 2: 19:47

Um, the others, the other side, though, with the boys they've taken, you know, they have over 60 certs, maybe 70. Now they don't even care anymore. At first they were Laminating them and holding them up, and then it got too many. And then Devin one time said he comes out and shows me his Serts and he has them in a folder, like not in a binder, like in a folder. And I'm like wow. And I said, well, you know, consistency is the game right, they're in a game. If they can stay consistent at age 19, they'll be fine.

Speaker 2: 20:13

I mean, right now they have pie torch certs a pie torch developers, around 450 an hour. Um, they have tensor flow certs. They did fast ai tutorials, the first one and the second one, um, and so they, they know it really well. But I will say um. At age 12, gavin won 18 000 dollars from baju Um. He beat out 90 000 developers. So I think it's like given a kid a basketball, the kid kind of knows he's good at basketball after a while, right. So then you hit you if you can get him a tutor that makes him even better at basketball, or a mentor Um, then he can go to a whole, not another level you know maybe be, the next, you know.

Speaker 1: 20:56

You know, jordan or whoever you know? Do you tutor them? Do you do you? No, but I did.

Speaker 2: 21:00

I got them the right tutor and and with that said, that person was very impressed because that tutor particular had a lot of time wasted with kids doing this. You know they're all over the place. You know, checking the phones, this and that and the other and they were. She was like blown away of how amazing they were into it Like a lot of no. Yes, I call them my savants. They hate that, but I do that all the time yeah, oh, they're gonna love this.

Speaker 1: 21:26

Then I mean, the last 10 minutes was us calling them savants?

Speaker 2: 21:32

I don't. I don't view it as a derogatory word, but I mean. Other people do, but they're just, I can't help it. You know they can't help it either. They're very smart. They must have get it from their mother. It's devin and matt, right?

Speaker 1: 21:44

Devin and Gavin. Devin and Gavin, show them a little too close.

Speaker 2: 21:47

Yeah, so you can follow me. Get hub At devin capriol and that Gavin. They have microsoft engineers following them, google engineers following, meta engineers following them. I don't think those people know that they're only 15. Um, gavin was just recently kicked off a LinkedIn because he wasn't allowed to be on there, because if they have a 16 and older Uh platform.

Speaker 3: 22:06

I was gonna say, if I remember right, it was devin that reached out to me for a demo with you. Yes, okay, yes.

Speaker 2: 22:12

Yeah, but again that's ai. So that is um, we're leveraging ai just to see if you're interested in what we're doing. We use devin's name, we use Gavin's name and we use mine and then tanya's as well. We're like a family of, of cult, of ai people, but tanya's not really into ai as much as like the rest of the family. She understands it, knows it, but the rest of the family is like live and breathe it. You know we talk about algorithms and stuff during dinner. It's kind of weird.

Speaker 3: 22:39

Well, I wanted, I wanted to bring something up really quick here. You sent me a video of a robot that blew me away. You sent this about a month ago and obviously you you know you invented a toy. You've got all this technology, all these amazing things you're doing. I want to ask you just your opinion when do you think we're headed with robots?

Speaker 2: 22:59

So, yeah, the we're heading in a direction where you know you. I mean, listen to elan moth. He's getting ready right now. It's a great time to I'm not gonna plug tesla, but tesla's the stock right now is he's getting ready to roll out a truck. He's getting ready that I have on order. He's getting ready to roll out a robot and he you can listen to him talk about where we're heading with robots.

Speaker 2: 23:19

I think you're gonna see tons of robots all over the place. Um, they're gonna start embedding AI in the chipsets of these robots, where these robots can go out to the internet automatically on themselves, update themselves, um, by the cloud or whatever, and uh, you're gonna see, you're gonna see a whole I mean we're. We're in a world that is changing unlike anything ever In my in my life. You know that I've ever witnessed that, that we've any of us have ever witnessed, and I think that's what inspired me to write addicted to silences, because I think what's going to happen in the next five years, personally, from me reading all these crazy books, um life 3.0 and I can go into detail about all these other books um, I think you'll see that you're gonna rely on robots, like Like every some people come home to their pets. Other people come home to the robots.

Speaker 2: 24:09

That's exactly what's gonna happen, and they're gonna get cheap enough, um, they're gonna be cost effective to where we can just get them and they can do the dishes, they can do the laundry, they can do some mundane tasks and they're gonna be down to where you're like you finance them like a car, um, but they're gonna be worth having. So, uh, you see amazon's doing a little rollout with this rolling around $2,000 thing that's like a lexon wheels that rolls around your house and can bring drinks to different rooms and stuff like that and monitor your house. I think we are heading in the next three to five years, into a really strange world and I think the adoption is going to be unlike anything you've ever seen in your entire life, where security was going to play a very important role in that.

Speaker 1: 24:52

Yeah, I went. I got hot pot the other day and my hot pot was, you know, the meat on the tray was brought to me Buy a cute little robot.

Speaker 2: 25:01

Yeah, rolling around in other other countries have embraced it a lot. Yeah you know, china's embraced it.

Speaker 1: 25:07

I'm not sure a little bit too much with the girl friends Japan.

Speaker 2: 25:10

Definitely yes, correct.

Speaker 1: 25:11

Where do you stand on the AI girlfriend thing? Are you all in? Do your kids code their own?

Speaker 2: 25:15

girlfriends. No, no, I mean, but they, they definitely could. But here's the deal is look, we're in a country that's like a 40 plus percent of the population's on an anti-depressant. If, if AI can assist in making that better and getting them off synthetic drugs and Deal with and cope with these depression that's out there, I think that that well, it's either gonna influence it more and make more people depressed or it's going to alleviate some of the pain for other people. But sometimes people just want someone to go to and if that someone's not available, an AI robot can learn all things about you relatively fast and and I think that it might help I really truly do so. My personal, humble opinion is it it's going to go One of two ways, which is really the only way it can go. It's either gonna be a very positive thing for society or it's just going to Be a total disaster.

Speaker 2: 26:14

I'm going to be here's the best news is we're gonna. We're gonna witness it live.

Speaker 1: 26:17

Yeah, that is a guarantee. I'm going for the premium model, 999 a month. I'm paying full price.

Speaker 2: 26:28

I'm a podcast. I'll say to each his own.

Speaker 3: 26:31

I don't know.

Speaker 2: 26:32

I mean, look, if you're married and you go to a robotic girlfriend, is that cheating?

Speaker 1: 26:40

Dude, this could be a whole podcast Go down a hole yeah this could be a whole show on its own, I mean like a full podcast, just about the philosophies of AI and what that does to people. It's, it's gonna be crazy, it's gonna be nuts.

Speaker 2: 27:00

No it's not gonna be. It is actually happening as we speak, and that's the thing is we keep saying oh it, there's already what 500,000 or 600,000? Users on. What is that app? That is strictly.

Speaker 1: 27:13

AI girlfriend.

Speaker 2: 27:14

Yeah, it's like yeah it's one of the second, there's so many apps out there now that yeah, so yeah, it's, it's, it's happening, it's. And that's another thing I don't think people quite get is if AI is not just coming and then one day it's like electricity and boom, you turn it on, it's, it's here, it's now, it's just happening and it's getting better and better. A great example is if you look at mid journeys Yoda picture from 18 months ago to Yoda's picture now, and that's in 18 months and it's like Yoda looks like Bart Simpson, basically Okay, and then 18 months later he looks like better, the best Yoda that Pixar could ever do in in a million years. You know, excuse me, somebody did buff Yoda.

Speaker 2: 27:57

Oh yeah, oh, I haven't seen it.

Speaker 1: 27:58

They like beefed up all the Star Wars characters.

Speaker 2: 28:01

Oh yeah, no, I have seen real and super cool.

Speaker 1: 28:04

Yeah, and it's like uh, you know, do you even lift young Skywalker?

Speaker 3: 28:11

Hey, that's bad. I'm a Trekkie. I'm not a Star Wars person.

Speaker 1: 28:15

Okay, this is, I can use that acknowledge.

Speaker 2: 28:18

I just you know, I don't hear enough.

Speaker 1: 28:20

I, I'm not competitive at all. I like them both Honestly correct on Star Wars.

Speaker 3: 28:24

I've tried. Really good, I have tried. I've watched them all, star Wars, and watch them all. I just couldn't get into them. I don't know, I'm a Trekkie, can't help it.

Speaker 2: 28:32

And that's exactly what's gonna happen with certain AI models. Some people are gonna favor the others and some, you know you're gonna have that flavor of the week. You know it's like Diet Coke versus Coke and Pepsi versus. You know it's. We're all gonna have our flavors to choose from and and the models are gonna become more robust and and better. And you know what's really expensive is training the LLM, right, but once it's trained, you know, then it still takes a lot of horsepower to use, utilize it, but Training's the most expensive part.

Speaker 1: 29:02

Yeah, yeah, so AI, blockchain, um, is that, would you say, that's more on the privacy side, or is it a security thing? And let me? The reason I'm asking this is because the privacy guys you know, I'm thinking of people like Adam Stone shout out to Adam Stone. If you asked Adam Stone what's the difference between privacy and Security, he'll say security is about securing stuff. It's about stuff. Privacy is more about information and people. But then you have this thing within security called the AI Sorry, not the AI the security triad, the CIA. So confidentiality, integrity and availability. Confidentiality is a part of security, right, and so Is there. Is there a security component to blockchain? Is it a security tool? Is it a thing that we can use for security, or is it mainly a privacy concern?

Speaker 2: 29:56

I think, um, you can make it private, obviously, and I do think it's a great security mechanism, but more or less and I write about this in addicted to silence in the new age of AI is it's a validation mechanism. So, if you have an AI algorithm that is outputting outputs to whatever, um and your Susie bill or Joe, and Susie bill and Joe are validated by corporate hierarchy, meaning they have managers that they answer to for the work that they do, why on earth would you ever deploy artificial intelligence in your organization and not have a validation mechanism for those models? So, in a nutshell, it is a validation mechanism for the outputs to AI and it's immutable, meaning you can't edit it, which is very important. So there's all these acts out there. You have sarbanes, oxley, you have a hip of compliancy if you're in the medical field, and you have sock too. I can go on and on with compliancies.

Speaker 2: 30:55

Um, it is a ledger that when you output um, the AI, the artificial intelligence, outputs to that ledger. It's there and then you can run reports on it. You can't edit it. So you know how, what, when, why and where Um the outputs are. And another thing AI let's not forget it has drifting issues. It has hallucinations. Wouldn't you like to know when and where those were presented? And and an output to have a record of it.

Speaker 2: 31:24

Yeah, so you need records and it's a great record record keeping mechanism. Um, and I tell a lot of people, if you really Don't understand blockchain, just go to chat gpt and go. What are the benefits of tying AI to blockchain? It'll, it'll tell you in itself what, what the benefits are. You can go to our blog on ai blockchain venturescom.

Speaker 2: 31:45

We have done a significant job, I think, a great job of really use case scenarios. I've talked to tons of corporations. In one month, I talked to over 90 companies. It's a lot of companies, wow, I'm talking cio level and uh, so, yeah, I think that a lot of my Right now where it's going on with a bv is we're we're educating people more than we're, but that education comes with a, uh, slow and steady, consistent track record Of continually getting what these, these, it people want and then solving from the outward end.

Speaker 2: 32:26

So I I definitely think it's a security mechanism and it's a privacy mechanism. You know we can layer on top of zero oracle aws, it doesn't matter, um, you can run blockchain, a private blockchain, on anything, on any cloud, um, and I think that it's the way to go my personal humble opinion and then people are going to say, well, it can't scale, it gets more expensive, it slows down. All that's fixed by AI. Every single thing you can throw at it, it's now fixed by AI. It wasn't 18 months ago, but AI can sparse a blockchain, you can go to different accesses of a blockchain and you can also authenticate people through the blockchain as well. So you have the privacy and you have the security as well. Did I answer that correctly?

Speaker 1: 33:10

Absolutely. There's no correct answer. Yeah, well, you also pointed out a. You also pointed out another part of the CIA triad, that's that's addressed directly by by blockchain, which is integrity. So you know, I think we can put blockchain at least on. This show will put blockchain in the security Bucket, at least partially, I would um, yeah, I mean, can it be hacked?

Speaker 2: 33:37

Well, we can ask Solana. Solana was hacked, what? Four times plus? So, yeah, anything can be hacked, I think, if you throw enough computing power at it, but bitcoins standards, test of time will, for over a decade now. So, with that stated, I think that it's a. I think it should be adopted more. I really truly do. I think the adoption is very slow for a technology that is this, a robust and powerful but nevertheless, ai is not going away, and either is blockchain. They are a great marriage Technology. So that's what I even said it in my book. I said you know, I love AI, I love blockchain. You marry those two together and you can go on a venture. And so a lot of people come to me and think that I'm a venture capital company. You know that has to do with AI and blockchain. Maybe someday, but right now, no, and I've never been too hyped about loaning money to make money. Let those vultures do that. I'm more of a guy who likes to solve solutions for organizations methodically transparency and Step-by-step. You know mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Speaker 1: 34:38

I've got tons of questions, but I can go on and, on, and on, and on, and on and on. But okay, maggie, over to you. I know you've got question.

Speaker 2: 34:46

This could be a two-part series, maggie, if we get tired of yeah.

Speaker 3: 34:49

I would love to have you on the show again. I think that's a fantastic idea. My, my. While you were saying all of that, I really wanted to home back in on the education piece, because what you're doing is Really crucial to up-and-coming generations. I mean, we've talked about your kids here. We've talked about some of things that you Could really help teach the public with. So, in your opinion, is this something that you're already? I Would assume you're facilitating with universities? In our theory, you're doing anything educationally to build that out on the side, what are you trying to? Kind of look at it in that angle?

Speaker 2: 35:25

I wish there was enough time in the day, but no, right now we're just talking to certain corporations. I have a nine-page engagement letter once I signed with them and they sign with that that and pay engagement letter. I can't really to discuss who and what we're doing with the companies. I would love to mention some names. I'm GSA approved as of two weeks ago, so now I can do this for the United States government, which is pretty exciting because there's some cool projects that they have out there that I think blockchain and AI would be. And again, if you came to us and you just wanted us to do some AI, we can implement AI. We don't have to do the blockchain. I just think it's foolish to implement AI and not have a ledger that that can track the AI's Outputs, that can't be hacked and it can't be edited. It's very important.

Speaker 1: 36:14

Especially when the AI starts committing crimes. You never know.

Speaker 2: 36:18

Yeah, exactly in another thing. I'm glad you brought this up. A lot of people don't understand, like From old-school days, you can make viruses and then you open the link and boom, boom, you know, as someone can write AI with viruses embedded and you'd have no clue. Now McAfee or and you know, norton's not gonna grab and know that the higher has a virus inside of it. So there's a whole article on that. Actually, it's a. It's amazing. There's a many articles on it, but there's some great articles on Embedding viruses inside the AI technology. So that's kind of scary all in itself. So you need to know where those models come from. You know how you're gonna utilize those models.

Speaker 2: 36:55

What I like is there's a particular company that came to us that does about a hundred and sixty eight million dollars in profit, net profit per quarter, and they the. She had a list of issues and I took her list of issues and then I I dissected each one, but I concentrated on just a couple to execute those quite well and she was mind blown. She, a lot of people don't think how AI and blockchain go together in any any facet whatsoever. They think of first. Most people think blockchain, crypto. That's what they think. That's the rapid cognitive thinking. Right, that's their brain going. I hear the word blockchain. What crypto are you trying to push on me? You know I'm rugby or rug pool or something. They don't understand that.

Speaker 2: 37:39

It's an immutable ledger out there that you, they can, they can do a lot of things.

Speaker 2: 37:43

It connects, you know, a blockchain's a, it's a database, it's a computer and it's a network right, so it can execute certain things, depending on how much inventory you have or how much inventory you don't have. So you know and and we had, we have to forget, we keep forgetting that it can, we can program it or we can have AI Tell it what to do based on certain things and execute smart contracts and stuff. And then a lot of people think NFTs are just images. Nfts are a lot more than just images, and so I love these polls on LinkedIn that say our NFTs still here to stay or they're going away, and then you look at the poll and it 90% of the people say they're gone. That's a big statement. And then, if he can be so many things, it can be a ticket to go see a movie, it can be a ticket to go into a concert, it could be so many different Assets, you know, a collateral asset, or it can be a validation mechanism.

Speaker 1: 38:38

So on that real quick. Do you think that the the smart contract, part of an NFT or the part of that part of blockchain is here to stay Smart?

Speaker 2: 38:48

contracts.

Speaker 1: 38:48

What, what, what is the current and the future state of smart contracts?

Speaker 2: 38:53

First, I don't think anyone has utilized them the way they should be utilized in a corporate environment, in a B2B environment. Secondly, I think that if the CEOs and the CIOs actually knew the importance of what a smart contract can do to their bottom line, there would be a more rush to adopt that.

Speaker 1: 39:14

Due to the bottom line.

Speaker 2: 39:16

I think it can greatly increase the bottom line by giving you a direct ROI mechanism inside of it, meaning I'll give you an example, a brief, very Plain Jane example. In layman terms if I'm in accounting and I need to run a report, it can. It can run the report and then Tell you all the people that it would have taken to run what it just did, and give you and and and tell you a dollar amount associated with those people that you would be paying, and then Output the outputs to you and give you an ROI mechanism within the report. So therefore, a report that would have cost you I'm just using this as an example $500 is now done by one person or automatically, and then you have an ROI reporting mechanism built in With a dollar amount of what that would have cost if AI wasn't in place.

Speaker 1: 40:12

Does that make sense.

Speaker 2: 40:13

Yeah, all right now with that, with that stated, you can scale what I just said on a magnitude Across your entire organization of mundane tasks. And now I know Sally and Jeff and Bob just hung up this Thing and said great, I'm out of a job. No, you're not out of a job, you're leveraging technology and you're gonna show your boss that you can utilize this technology and you can do other things in the organization, because the organization will grow quicker, faster, more efficiently and you become a much more valuable person by know, by knowing and leveraging what I just stated. So I think it's perspective. Again, I'm not perception. Your perception is you're gonna lose your job. But if you take your shoes out of your, or if you take your feet out of your shoes real quick and put it into a perspective Mechanism, you will see that AI is nothing more than a tool that will help you. I have a shovel now. I just brought in the backhoe. You know, yeah, I was gonna do a lot more than the shovel, but the shovel is gonna make sure that I don't break pipes if I'm going, you know, next to a pipe. So there's there's time and place for a shovel, but the backhoe is going to get the job done a lot quicker. That's why you see backhoes all over the side of the road under road construction. You know shooting that out there.

Speaker 2: 41:26

But I do believe the biggest problem with blockchain is Knowledge. The people in situations don't want, you know, if I say no, if I'm in a major organization, if I'm in PWC and I go to my CIO and Sorry, pwc, to use you guys, but it's a plug for you. If I go to my organization and I say no to this technology, nothing happens. I still have a job, I'm not on a line, I've risked nothing, my kids are still gonna have hockey practice, I'm still gonna be able to afford to read, and all that. As soon as I say yes and things go afoul, things can happen to my position at PWC and I don't want things to happen at my position. So we get complacent and by being complacent it cost PWC a lot of money. So there is there. There's a time for yeses, but I think there's a lot of yeses.

Speaker 2: 42:15

Don't come into the, the woodwork and the mix because of what might happen to me if I say yes. Hmm, that's simple. I saw that in the toy buying industry, right when you'd meet with a toy buyer at Toys R Us, which is no longer here, and they were like yeah, I don't know. You know, I know you're gonna do 90 grand in marketing this month, but I just, you know, let me look, I'm gonna go into Target and I'm gonna count Every day at a store how many units you sold and after the end of the month I'll call you and let you know. It's a true story. By the way, that's why Toys R Us isn't around anymore and Target is still here. So you know you have to. There's risk involved, even when you're in an organization and you have to take those, and the only way you take those is by seeing those. That three-letter word yes, otherwise nothing happens.

Speaker 3: 43:03

I Wish you were at the conference I attended earlier today, because this exact conversation was brought up about us trying to get major security measures in with the government on more of a Local, municipality level, things like this, because we're having the same exact hiccups and we can't get, yes, fast enough. And then you know it's like the amount of dissecting that goes on, or or, flat out, won't even take our calls when we know I'm just gonna go ahead and call them out. My hometown is still operating at Microsoft 7, like what, like the things that are going on right now. And you know that's what happens when you have, you know, people in a position for too long that are just maybe Not I don't say not educated, because obviously that you know these people know what they're doing, they're very successful, but you have to be more collaborative, especially with outside resources.

Speaker 3: 43:56

At this point in time we do not have any more time to waste. Everything you've said in this entire conversation Only backs up. You know we're not just geeks out here talking geek speak. We are truly changing the world and, more importantly, protecting it, and so, especially with government, whether it's you know, anything to the level I just mentioned or military, you know there has to be more collaboration from civilians and the government across the board if we're all gonna stay safe.

Speaker 2: 44:21

So I I'm glad that you say I agree in the NSA today sent me an email and they said oh, here we just put 26 million dollars to these open AI or these open yeah, open a projects, not open AI, the company, just open source AI projects. Excuse me, and I'm like 26 million dollars. I mean Dubai just partnered with someone and gave him 200 million dollars on G42 with open AI actually the company and Sebrous a net, who I have an NDA with and I can't go into detail on that. But I mean these, these other countries are spending tons of money on their back end Infrastructure and that's what it takes. The front end might look beautiful, your doors You're building You're. You know, if you go down to Sarasota County's police department, it's a gorgeous building, it actually is.

Speaker 2: 45:06

But again, who's running their internal operations? You know a long story short. We had, two months ago, mga or a month ago, I think. I'm my times, I'm in warp speed. Mga was completely zipped up, hacked, what for 30 million dollar ransom, you know, and the way they got in was really ruthless. If they had some great software out there, some identity management Software out there, that would have never happened. But will they spend the 35 to 45 dollars per seat for the software management tool that they need. Well, now, they probably wish they did, but that's always after the fact. Human beings are so amazing. We let our, we let our health go until there's a problem and then we're like oh, maybe we shouldn't eat all that sugar anymore.

Speaker 2: 45:50

I and I'm a victim of it. Listen, I'm not a victim, I'm. I'm actually like I'm the guy that the does both the victim and the perpetrator.

Speaker 1: 45:57

Thank you.

Speaker 2: 45:58

Yeah, that's exactly what I wanted to say. Thanks, josh, and I might have to have you with me on some other podcasts, if you don't.

Speaker 1: 46:05

Clarify yeah, yeah, I'll be your, I'll be your backup. So, yeah, I mean.

Speaker 2: 46:10

I just have so much going on in my head that it's hard to get it all out.

Speaker 2: 46:12

But yeah you know and I think that that's what happens and is what will happen within the government system is things will crash, things will get hurt really bad and then, only then, they'll go. Maybe we need it's time to update the entire back end and, yes, it's expensive, but you'll see an ROI long term. There's ROI's. Come in, you know a return on your investment. Come in all different facets. You know, and especially with security, you know it's. It's the things you don't know that that could have happened is an ROI, but you never knew that they. They even happen. They because, because you had the right security measures in play. Listen, I sold security software for a very long time and I would sit there and look at these companies and and you'd go into their network and there's just so many companies I'd love to mention right now. I would love to mention, but you just are like how do you even run in the morning? How do you?

Speaker 2: 47:05

yeah, go start up your systems and and operate. You know, and it's it's very scary out there.

Speaker 1: 47:11

Unfortunately is not, until life puts the squeeze on them and then they feel the pain. But even I've had a little bit more forgiveness for some companies, like thinking of how differently MGM and Caesars Palace dealt with the ransomware attacks. You know, everybody was making Everybody's giving their opinion on whether you should pay the ransom or not, and it's, it seems, like the ones that the one that paid the ransom made less money this year and the one not sorry, the one that didn't pay the ransom made less money this year and the one who paid the ransom Made more, because for them 15 million dollars is a rounding error. So it's far more nuance and, like you said, it is.

Speaker 2: 47:51

But now, if you pay the ransom, how do you know that they don't have complete access now and then?

Speaker 1: 47:56

I'm with you, like I've had this. I had this argument for like over a period of like a week with With my my boss, chad Beckman, and we just went back and forth and at the end of it I was like man, you know what. This may be a lot more nuanced than I thought it was. So, even things like you know, we need all the help we can get. Bring on AI and, and specifically, I'm gonna plug you. You know, give John a call. You know AI, blockchain ventures, I'll tell you, I will.

Speaker 2: 48:26

I put a lot of. I put a lot of passion into my book. I put a lot of passion into what it is we do, and then I'll be if you don't use our services. It's not a big deal to me. It's not like I. I'm not tied to a venture capital firm. I don't have to make these numbers by the end of the month, you know. So I'm living life like there's no tomorrow, it's, it's a. It's an amazing time the way things are all working out, so I'm just enjoying it. I have a lot of time.

Speaker 2: 48:49

Like you asked me at the beginning of this podcast, how did like going from zero to full blown you know, blowing up in the toy company affect you and your family? You start to realize, as you age I think I'm sorry to say this, but I do believe as you get older in life and your back doesn't work like it used to, you know, your certain health things kind of break down and you're just like. Really, I think you, you take a different perspective on it, you know. I think you find out that time is something that you don't get back and you, you start to prioritize what you, what you really want out of life.

Speaker 2: 49:26

You know I used to think, growing up very poor in St Louis Missouri, you know I need money, I got to have this money to do this and that and money's fun and it is, it's. It's a great thing, but it's not the end all I'd much rather. My son one time said something to me and and I said, if someone handed me a briefcase of money, you think I'd sell them to you. I mean, is that what you think it's about? And my son just kind of looked at me and he started he's young, he was eight or nine at the time and he started looking at me like yeah, he's kind of right, like I'm not worth a briefcase of money. And I'm like, yeah, exactly, you know. So I think we we often forget that because we live in a transaction society. That's what I wanted to say earlier, right?

Speaker 2: 50:07

We live in a transaction side, everything's a transaction, right, yeah, yeah, from the time we get up to the time we go to bed, and so I Do believe you just have to figure out what you want, but securities of you're gonna need it. I mean security is not going away either. It's a. It's a Something that's going to be around for a long time. I think the whole MGA Thing was a I. I don't think it's about paying the ransom, I think it's about preventing the ransom ever even happening, and if you do that correctly, yeah, you don't have to talk about should we pay the ransom or should we not?

Speaker 1: 50:41

Yeah, and the conversation goes on. And, john, we, I thoroughly enjoy this. I could go for another hour.

Speaker 2: 50:49

Like I'm gonna do these podcasts from now on for a while, now that I have my book out and get the name out and get the word out. So anytime you want to do it, we can jump on and we can talk about a lot of things I love.

Speaker 3: 51:02

You're really occurring for us and I guarantee you everyone listening has just. This is why I love people like you on the show. You educate, you are real down-to-earth Person and you're killing the game with innovation. And when you get someone like you on everyone. Their ears perk up, so we really appreciate you being here today. If they want to check you out, get a hold of you where. Where can they find you?

Speaker 2: 51:25

So you can go to AI blockchain ventures. And hello at AI blockchain ventures calm. You can go to. Addicted to silence, calm and I, the lat. My last plug and my most passionate thing, if you saw my full Studio that I'm in right now, I have this little robot over here. We've been working on this thing for about three years and it's called guitar fling and we're making a VR AI blockchain game. So it's robot. You come into the map with three robots and you you're on the moon and you have to get to the concert hall. Ai will produce a video Concert for you, animation concert for you. We've been working on a long time and we're launching that here soon. So guitar fling is is. It's going to be a token out there you can look at as well, but I'm passionate about that. But yeah, so you know Again, if you want to see the book the books on Amazon, barnes and Noble it's it's going to be on 20 platforms.

Speaker 2: 52:23

It takes forever to roll out, so it's syndicated nicely. It's a great book. You'll, you'll love it. Just read the dedication. If nothing else, read the dedication and I think that then you'll see the quality of what you're getting into.

Speaker 1: 52:36

Awesome, I'm Josh Bruning. You can find me on LinkedIn. You can find us on YouTube, subscribe like. And you can also find Maggie on LinkedIn and Instagram as well, and subscribe to our newsletter, the security market watch newsletter on LinkedIn and the book is Addicted to silence and Jonathan Capriola. Thanks a lot for being on security market watch and thank you everybody for watching and listening to this episode. Goodbye, thanks, josh, all right.