Echoes of Absence: The Uncharted Disappearance of Pepita Redhair

Dive into the chilling episode of Pepita Redhair, a young Navajo woman who mysteriously vanished after a night in Albuquerque, New Mexico. Unearth the gripping details surrounding her disappearance, from a seemingly indifferent police force to the relentless pursuit of truth by her family. This true crime exploration unveils the harsh realities faced by missing indigenous women, weaving a narrative of bias, community resilience, and the relentless quest for justice. Join us in peeling back the layers of this enigmatic case, where each lead fizzles out, leaving Pepita's fate shrouded in mystery. Uncover the complexities of solving cold cases involving marginalized victims and the emotional rollercoaster faced by those left searching for closure. In the shadows of unanswered questions, the echoes of Pepita's story beckon for resolution.

Transcript

This is Rocky Mountain cold cases. I'm Rachel, and that's Adam. I'm Adam, and that is Rachel.

I have a two part fun fact, and by two part, I mean some of it today and some of it next. Oh. Not because it could fill a whole episode like the last one.

Dude, that one was semi interesting. That was. I think some people just listen for our fun facts, though.

Well, I don't blame them. I would, too. And then just skip the rest.

What you doing over there? Messing with the microphone? Yeah. What are some shows that I really like to watch? Schitt's Creek. Okay.

You've watched it how many times? Yeah. This isn't a Schitt's Creek fact. However.

Oh, my gosh. Last episode, we talked about going to Canada. We need to go to Canada.

That's where Schitt's Creek was filmed. We should go there. No.

So, you know, I like to watch shows about food. Yeah. Baking food.

Eating food. The british show, the great British Bake off. Bake show.

Baky bake. Yeah. Baky baky.

Achy breaky. Yeah. That one's a good one, too.

This one is the food that built America. Yeah. I love that show.

It's, like, one of my favorite shows. Top five ish. Yeah.

You watched a few of them with me, but not all of them. So in this first part, fun fact again, it's taken from the food that built America. I don't remember what streaming channel it's from, but ten out of ten recommend you watch this.

This is about Dave Thomas. Who's that? Dave Thomas. Think of food.

Think of fast food. Is Hendy's okay? Yes. Okay.

So really, people only know him from Wendy's? Yeah. But he's actually very cool. Very cool.

Very dead now, but he's very cool. Yeah. My life's calling should have been to be a fast food historian.

I missed that boat. Yeah. But I wish I had known that was a thing before.

Sleepy over there. No. All right, so back when fast food was really taking off, locations were purchased as franchises like they are now.

The franchises were not regulated like they are today. So you would have different menu items at different locations. Remember we watched that McDonald's weird documentary thingy? Yeah.

Like sort of documentary based off a real events movie. And all the McDonald's were like, we're selling meatloaf. And they're like, why would.

That's going around. It's a franchise. People are just making up their own thing.

Yeah. What's funny is because I wrote this note many moons ago, and the next line is like, remember the McDonald's documentary? Okay, so that's what's going on in the 1960s, franchises popping up with different menu items for the same restaurant would make it very confusing. If you're getting meatloaf at McDonald's in one area, you take a road trip, and you're like, oh, I want some McDonald's meatloaf.

And that McDonald's ain't got no meatloaf. Right? Okay. In 1964, Dave Thomas was working for KFC.

Oh, that's funny. Kentucky. Yeah.

When you said that. Right. Like, in my mind, I'm going, wait, they've done a.

No, they didn't. It's a and W and KFC that are like a Calab thing. Whatever.

Yep. Anyway, so. So before wendy's, Dave Thomas worked for KFC, and he actually knew Colonel Sanders.

Really? He actually knew the Colonel Sanders? Again, Dave Thomas is cool, okay? He helped run four kfcs and was very successful at it. When KFC was bought from Colonel Sanders, the new owners met with him to ask how his stores were doing so well, again, because they're franchises. And so the new owners were looking at all the numbers, and they're like, Dave, you're Thomas's.

Your Thomas's do really good. Your franchises do really good. What are you doing? Well, you know how you can get that giant bucket of chicken at KFC? Yeah.

That was Dave Thomas's idea. Really? Dave Thomas came up with the idea of a bucket of chicken. A whole meal for a family.

That's cool. What color scheme is a KFC? Red and white. Dave Thomas came up with that.

Really? Dave Thomas picked the color scheme and the white stripes that they have throughout it. Wow. The new owners liked what he was doing at his locations and wanted his help in spreading it to the other locations.

It's working great here. Let's spread it to the other franchises. Dave was also the one who got Colonel Sanders as the actual logo of KFC, even though Colonel Sanders didn't own KFC anymore.

Really? Basically, he went to the new owners and was like, you need some sort of, like, mascot. Why not use the original guy? Yeah. So it was his idea to use the colonel and everything.

By 1966, the owners take KFC public so people are able to buy stock, and the owners become millionaires. Dave actually left KFC when the new owners tricked him out of his share of a different company he was invested in by telling him it could be bad for him and bad for KFC, when really those shares ended up making tons of money. So the new owners saw that those shares were going to be really valuable.

Hoodwinked Dave Thomas into selling his shares to them, and when he realized what they had done, he was like, I'm out, bitches. Yeah, that's similar to the mcdonald's guy. Yeah, dude, they got royally screwed.

Yeah. So screwed. Okay, so that's it for the first part.

That's it for first part. So that's really interesting, though, because I know this isn't like a marketing podcast or whatever, but people relate to human people. Human beings.

Right. So with KFC, having Colonel Sanders as the eye or as a person to relate to is very interesting, which is very interesting, because David Thomas goes on to have his daughter be the person that's on. Did I ruin your next fun fact? No, because I got it from a show.

Okay. I have more than one little tiny bit. I think it's his daughter or granddaughter is the face of wendy's.

Yeah. So it's so interesting that he used Colonel Sanders, a person, to be the mascot, the person that, because then people can relate to it, and they're like, oh, this old man is making me buckets of chicken. Yay.

Right. And then it's like, does the daughter even work at Wendy's? No, but I think she does now. It is the daughter, and I think she is like a higher level person at Wendy's.

Yeah, she's, I think, owns the thing or something. The whole thing. I don't know.

I know she's very well off and she has some kind of cool house in Florida that she was then given or something from. Is it made of. No.

Oh, okay, fine. But anyway, what I'm getting at is it's encouraging your marketing. Oh, my gosh.

To use a face. Use a person. Something that people really relate to.

A friendly face. A friendly face. Could you imagine a scary face? You're just like, never mind.

And then you get into the science of kids. A lot of their socials are taught because they're able to see another face. Yeah.

Right. So it's super interesting that if you can use a human being's face in your. I shouldn't say marketing, but in your branding, because they're different, but in your branding a little bit, it makes you a little bit more relatable and warm and soft and whatever to people.

Anyway, so should we use Dave Thomas's face for this podcast? No. And again, it depends on what it is. So anyway, whatever.

All right, that's it for part one of my Dave Thomas fun facts, if you would like to hear part two, you have to listen to the next episode. Subscribe to my new marketing podcast. Oh, my gosh.

We talk about faces and marketing. No, we're not. But no dropping a shameless plug here.

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All right. To my case, we are, in fact, in the Rocky Mountains. Oh, we are.

Guess the state. Utah. What a great place to be.

No, not Utah. We are in Albuquerque, New Mexico. Yeah, a lot of more stuff goes down in New Mexico.

What? Yeah, we've done more episodes in New Mexico than any other place. I kind of doubt that. Probably eat not, but we should track that.

I don't know how many we've done. We could go back and look. I don't think we've done the most in New Mexico.

We've probably done one or two. I bet we've done like two. Interesting.

Okay, well, anyways, New Mexico. Okay. There was an episode, I don't know what, last season.

Are we going to call it a season? Our last set of episodes? Yeah. I don't think we're doing seasons ever. We're not doing seasons.

No. What are we doing? We're just doing episodes. Okay.

This would be episode number 21. I don't know. Well, the Christmas episode was number 19.

Was it? For sure, yeah. Then the new year's episode is number 20. So this would be episode 21.

I genuinely don't know. Anyway, okay, if you haven't heard any of the others, go back and listen. Well, one of the other ones, and I can't remember what episode number it is, but it was on heavy runner, so the fun facts were kind of sad facts really were about missing and indigenous people.

Right. So drop some knowledge there. Learn about all the unfairness that happens with finding missing indigenous women on reservations, because this one happens on a reservation and involves an indigenous woman.

Okay, so we're in Albuquerque, New Mexico, on March 24 of 2020 with a girl named Pepita, red hair. And I love her name. PETA.

PETA. PETA. Her sister called her PETA for a little nickname.

PETA. PETA. I can't remember what my sources were for this.

This one I wrote a while ago. Oh, okay. So this one was from the show disappeared, season ten, episode three.

I also got some information from uncovered.com and from navajotes.com. So was she Navajo? Yes.

Okay, so Pepita is 27 years old at the time. She grew up on the Crown Point reservation in New Mexico. When she graduated high school, she moved out to Albuquerque, where she met her boyfriend, Nick.

Shortly after meeting Nick, Pepita moved in with him at his parents house. Pepita'sister Shelda stated in an episode of Disappeared that the two initially seemed very happy together. Although Pepita now lived 2 hours away from Crown Point, where her mother, Anita King, still lived, the two stayed close.

Anita's mother states that they would text each other every day, several times a day. Wow. On March 24, 2020, Pepita had met up with her mother for lunch.

After lunch, Anita dropped Pepita off at Nick's house. The next day, Anita did not hear from Pepita at all, which was unusual. Again, they text several times a day.

That evening, she reached out to Pepita asking if she was okay and to call her on March 27. So the last time she saw her daughter was March 24. On March 27, Anita had still not heard from Pepita.

Anita again reached out to Pepita and asked that she call her. She then called Nick, and Nick told her that he doesn't know where PETA is, that she had left. Anita began to feel like something was very wrong.

She called the Albuquerque police Department to report PETA missing. However, the police told her that because Pepita isn't an adult, she has the right to go missing and that she will probably show up in a week or two. Pepita's family immediately began looking for her on their own, checking areas that she was known to go to, as well as putting flyers up around town.

According to Uncovered.com, Anita got a text from Pepita's number around March 30 from someone claiming that they are not Pepita, but had bought her phone off someone. The website did not say whether that person turned the phone into police or returned it to the family.

Okay, so she's been gone a couple of days now. Shortly after Pepita went missing, Albuquerque began shutting down due to the COVID pandemic, which meant police also did not do as much face to face investigation. Anita continued to call the police to ask for help, but was told to keep waiting for Pepita to come home on her own.

In the episode on Disappeared, an advocate for Pepita and her family mentioned that in their opinion, there is some racism in the Albuquerque police department, which is why they think they really took their time to investigate. And what we kind of know from some research about missing indigenous people is that outside police departments and even police departments on reservations really kind of drag their feet when it involves native american people. Is it indigenous now? Yeah, I can't remember.

You can't keep up with it? I just can't remember. It's been a while since we've done that episode. Indigenous or native american? I feel like that's the same thing.

I think it depends who you ask. Kind of like, what do you say? Like, people with autism or autistic people. It depends who you ask which way they prefer to be labeled as.

Yeah, I mean, I think everyone's a nice human being, and we don't need to add a label. Murderers are not nice human. Okay.

Sorry. Yeah. Okay.

So she's been missing for several days from Albuquerque, and then Covid hits, and the police department's kind of like, well, it's Covid. We can't really do our face to face canvassing and questioning investigation, and she'll probably come home. She's an adult.

Blah, blah, blah. Yeah. Okay.

So Pepita's family began calling news stations to see if they would do a story on the news about her disappearance, but they were turned down. Pepita's sister Shelda began to wonder if Nick had something to do with Pepita's disappearance. Anita claims that sometime before the disappearance, PETA had confessed that Nick had hit her before when he was drunk.

Anita encouraged PETA to come back home and leave Nick, but PETA refused. The advocate on the disappeared episode does have reports of domestic violence calls to Nick's home, some of which do report that Pepita was hospitalized. What would beat her up? Pretty good.

According to the episode, nick was interviewed one time by police and is currently not a suspect, per the Albuquerque police department. Is the domestic charges or, like, domestic abuse, whatever. Not enough to be like, we don't have anyone else, and you're going to fit in the bill.

In my opinion, if there were reports of domestic violence and somebody has gone missing, the person committing the violence, to me, is a huge suspect. Right. Especially if Pepita had decided to leave him, which we don't have that information.

But the most dangerous time for an abused partner is when they try to leave. And so it's kind of like, well, what if she finally was like, I'm not doing this anymore. And was trying to.

Yeah. Like, mom was like, come home, leave him. Yeah.

And then it's like, I tried to do what mom said, and I went weeks. Two weeks after Pepita went missing, the family organized a ground search for her on the west Mesa. The images of this area on the episode show that it is just a pile or just a dumping ground for trash.

So there are images of garbage bags, mattresses, pill bottles, an old dresser, all kinds of things. It's just like an undesignated dump on May 18 of 2020. Remember, she's been gone since March.

Yeah, March 20. March. Last time they saw her was March 24.

So May 18, 2020, Nick finally filed a missing persons report with the Albuquerque police department. For PETA. If I go missing, don't take two plus weeks to be like, I don't think she's coming back.

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With that said, let's get back to the episode. If I go missing, don't take two plus weeks to be like, I don't think she's coming back. You said May.

May what? 18th. That's more than two plus weeks. You said March 24.

May 18 is nearly two months. Yeah. Don't you think that's weird? That's very weird.

If your girlfriend goes missing, your live in girlfriend, who you like to smack around. Yeah, but whatever. It's like, she went missing.

I haven't heard from her, whatever. In three days. A regular person would have tried to file that way sooner.

Yeah. If her mom is calling you saying, hey, we don't know where she's at, I don't know. Yes, she left.

I don't know. But then it's like, you haven't seen her in a couple days either, and she didn't go to your home, like, okay, I don't know where she's. Yeah, yeah.

I don't know. Anyway, in the report, Nick says that he and Pepita had had an argument and that PETA left the house. He says that he then got a text from Pepita saying she's with a man named Laramie.

PETA's family did not know who Laramie was, so Anita, PETA's mom, put the information on Facebook to see if anybody knew him. On July 3 of 2020, Laramie himself got in contact with Anita and said he does know Pepita, but he hasn't seen her since his birthday. On March 10, he claims that Nick and PETA got into an argument at the birthday party where Nick hit Pepita.

The family advocate says that she has not seen documentation that says the police department ever spoke to Laramie. So basically, she hears from Nick. Well, I know she hangs out with this guy Laramie.

And PETA's family's like, who on earth is Laramie? So they find out, and Laramie's like, hey, yo. Yeah, I do know PETA, but I haven't seen her since Nick smacked her at my birthday party. Yeah.

And no, police haven't asked me anything at all, have never come and questioned me since Pepita's disappearance. Laramie has died, so we'll never get more information. How did he die? I don't.

Oh, but what if. I'm pretty sure Nick was like, if they get too far into the questioning of Laramie, this could come back to me. So let's just.

Well, it sounds like they didn't even bother to go question anybody. Yeah. So they never talked to Laramie.

And Nick was jealous because of Laramie and PETA's relationship, maybe. And he was like, I'm taking Laramie out. But, I mean, Laramie didn't.

How did he die? Say anything until July 3. Yeah, but how did he die? I don't know. I don't remember it ever saying.

But again, I got this information several weeks ago. Maybe it's also a cold case. I don't know.

I don't think it is. Something in my little brainy brain is saying it was an innocent death, like an illness or something. I don't know.

So Nick poisoned him? I'm just joking. Sorry. Let's go.

Okay, so we're going to jump back just a few weeks, back to May 20. So on May 20, a girl called Anita and said she saw Pepita at city park and gave no other information. Hey, girl.

Saw your daughter at city park. Bye. Anita and Shelda went right to an area they thought was.

I'm remembering this. They popped it in like a Google maps, because they're like, where's city park? And went to that address. So they went there, and Pepito was not there, and so she googled.

Oh, okay, I have a little wrong. They thought they knew what city park was, went there. She wasn't there.

So then they googled City park, thinking, maybe I have the wrong location. And they saw a location right outside the entrance of a hotel. It was really weird on this episode, the way it was mapped out.

It was, like, literally the hotel. And then right in front of the hotel was, like, labeled city park weird. It was weird.

So they went to the hotel to see if maybe she's there. When they went to the hotel, they saw three guys in three different spots in the hotel parking lot with walkie talkies but did not see Pepita. There were several vans.

That's so weird. And three guys in the parking lot with walkie talkies in three different spots, not just standing there next to each other. They're in three different spots in the parking lot with walkies conducting a sound check.

There were several vans with tinted windows lined up against one side of the hotel. This caused the family to wonder if Pepita might have been a victim of human trafficking. Wait, when did they go to the hotel? May 20.

Okay. But they're doing their own investigation because the police suck and won't do it. Yeah, but then they have these weird, strange characters at the hotel.

Yeah, weird. Yeah. And I don't know if that was, like, a coincidence or if they were in a shady part of, like, drug violence or whatever is known to happen.

I don't know. So at the end of May, Pepita's family was able to get her belongings from Nick's house. They had tried to preserve some of Pepita's clothing that she was last seen in, in case police will want it to check for any forensic evidence.

And actually, in the episode, they had some of her clothing and stuff in a ziploc bag and everything. We put it in here. We haven't touched it since.

Just in case police actually want to come and investigate this and use the clothes to look at stuff. Yeah. Shelda went to a medicine man where he performed a navajo ceremony, and he told the family that Pepita is still alive and is in a dark room.

Shelda states that this gave her hope that Pepita is still alive. When did they do? Um, I don't remember the date, but I'm pretty sure it was within that first year. In a dark room.

In a dark room? Like, being held captive would be my guess. I don't know. Human trafficking, maybe.

Oh, weird. So on June 10, the family got a call that Pepita was seen at a local supermarket. Shelda was able to find the person that was thought to have been PETA, but unfortunately, it was not her, but someone who looks similar to Pepita.

That girl has been mistaken for Pepita several times. Yeah. She actually told the sister, like, no, I'm aware, and I've been thought to be Pepita several times, but not her.

And Shelda literally talked to her. So she knew it wasn't her sister. Yeah.

By September 11, 2021, Pepito was still missing with no news coverage. This is when Gabby Peppito. Yeah.

Gabby Pepito. This is when Gabby Peppito went missing and was headlined, news across the country. That's the girl that was here in Ogden, her last monarch at the monarch in.

You know, that was such a crazy, weird thing because I lived, like, at the time, I lived, like, a block away from the monarch. Yeah. Anyway, and then that was the last picture on her instagram.

She ends up in Jackson hole. So this is all happening with. Was it Jackson Hole? I thought it was Zion.

No, she was murdered in Jackson Hole. Anyway, somebody out there is going, Zion. It's Zion.

No, it's not. It's Zion. Say it.

Lazy. Zion National park. Anyways, well, so.

No, here's the thing. There's this. I think I have the phrasing right.

In the true crime community, it's white girl syndrome, where if you're a missing white girl, you get all the resources to find you, but otherwise, you're screwed. And so this case with Pepita kind of shows that. That pepita is missing.

They have reason to believe there's, like, something really weird going on. I mean, we know her boyfriend smacks around, and the police aren't doing anything. The family's doing searches.

The family's trying to get news coverage. This family's putting out know they're doing everything that they can, and nothing's happening. But Gabby goes missing.

And it's not Gabby's fault that her case got picked up. Know, but she was national news. Yeah.

And Pepeda can't even get on local news. And so it kind of just draws that, again of how unfair it is to people of color, the differences in resources for them. Yeah, I don't know.

I'm not trying to bash on Gabby. That was unfortunately what happened. Even with all those resources.

Yeah. When it comes down to mean, you could dive into that a little bit more. But yes, she was on national news and tv.

But was it national news that picked up first? Or was it the fact that everyone on social media was like, we have to find this person, and it blew up on Instagram. Bad. And then was it a news story or was it a news story, and then it blew up on Instagram? You know what I mean? Yeah.

And I don't know which one came first. But then you could argue, even if she did blow up on Instagram first, why? Well, I know she had a pretty big, like. I shouldn't say big, but she was trying to be, like, an influencer type person.

And so I think when there was enough of a social media history there for people to go down a rabbit hole, be like, well, they were in Moab, and they had a thing. And there was. That's true.

I think that's unique to Gabby's case, though. But this phenomenon of white women get more media coverage when something happens to them is well documented. Yeah, that's a good point.

That, you know, some followers, and she did document her life a lot on social media, so it was a little easier to find out where she last was, kind of find an area of where she was, and to realize pretty quickly growling on posting anything. Why? Yeah. Okay, so anyways, back to Pepita.

On October 3 of 2021, Pepita's family was able to put together a rally for her to get her disappearance out in the media. During the rally, other families of missing loved ones were able to put their information out there as well. Raul and I might be saying that wrong.

Sorry. Raul Torres, the district attorney, became involved in Pepita's disappearance. After the rally, he assigned two investigators to her case and was able to get warrants for electronic media, telephones, and truck stop cameras.

Again, this is, like, over a year later. Yeah. Why are we dragging? Who knows how good that is going to get? Here's the thing, too, with that, I get it.

We had Covid because schools shut down and people were like, we can't touch, we can't mask up. Don't go. Yeah, we'll figure this out later.

It's, like, a lot of evidence. I mean, I don't know. Maybe it's just a series of unfortunate events.

Yeah. They also took in some of the evidence PETA's family had saved, and they tried to find any updated information on Pepita's case. Or I tried to, but I couldn't find anything new.

Even in more recent articles, it was just all repeating what had been found before. And so she is actually still missing with no suspects or persons of interest. I can't believe that Nick's not even just a person of interest.

Can we go back to why are these guys at the hotel with the dark windows and the. I don't know, because it didn't come back up. So I don't know what that was about.

It was weird. And we only have her family members saying that it's not like police also saw it or whatever. And I'm not saying it didn't happen.

I'm just saying there's no other information as to what on earth that was. I know, but the hotels generally, I don't know what hotel it is, but if. I don't even know if it was a running hotel at the time or if it was defunct.

I was going to say if it was, like, quality in or whatever. Generally they have some cameras and some footage and, hey, who got a room during these dates? No, it was definitely a weird part of the episode. I was.

Why? Why are we not looking to that, too? And I don't know that I personally don't think she was trafficked. I think Nick did something to him, to her. And his family is, like, helping cover for him.

But there was something weird happening at that. I mean, weird or not weird, but because it could just be some formal bit of training. You got some guys that, hey, this is our job.

Let's go to the hotel. We'll do a radio check. We'll do some training, we'll do some driving around, whatever they do.

Yeah. It's so interesting to me. And I say this because I see it in that perspective of, yes, it looks a little goofy.

What are they doing? But maybe it's just training. And I say this because with the bit of military experience I have, sometimes you'll see military equipment on a train. Yeah, it's weird.

Yeah. And generally, it's just going to a depot. What's the word? They're basically like, hey, the military in general has, like, equipment, right? And certain units get assigned that equipment.

Well, if it's not being assigned to that unit, it goes to a storage depot type spot. And so sometimes it gets loaded up on a train and sent back to storage or whatever. And so it's just funny because it's like.

But I think you are approaching that situation with a different context because they approached it with. We just got a weird text from someone we don't know, saying our missing family member is at this location. And then it's like, what? Is this weirdness happening at this location? Yeah.

No, and I agree to them. It's like, there's something weird happening here. What is it? But then I guess sometimes it's just people being.

Doing life. Yeah. Anyway, what I'm getting at is sometimes I'll get questions from people, be.

Because I have a bit of background. They're like, do you know why they're moving all these? I have no idea. I'm not part of the transportation unit.

I don't know. I'm not one. Well, are we getting ready for something? I'm like, probably not.

And if I knew, I'm not going to know till I know. But I guess that's where I'm going with that, is like, these guys are just doing their job, maybe. And the radios, I don't know.

And then there's secret defense. Peoples like people that don't talk about what their job is because they're trying to do certain things, getting bad guys. And so that may be what those guys are doing.

New Mexico, you're right on the border. So it could be some form of border patrol or whatever. That's like, hey, we're going to go do this raid or whatever, but let's train up a practice before we do it.

So, I don't know, a lot of things could be what that was. But again, I go back, like you said, go back to nick the domestic. Just because you are an abuser doesn't necessarily mean you're going to go to murder.

But it does seem weird. And especially where he didn't even do a missing person's report for several weeks. Yeah.

I'm not saying lock the guy up, but maybe put him on parole. We can't just put him on parole without any conviction, but at least the hell with it. Put him on.

They should question him more. I mean, they only question him one time. Yeah.

And I was a little bit, like, researching this. Remember the person that said, I have her phone? I bought it off somebody. Yeah.

You never find out if that phone was ever retrieved because that would have evidence on it, like when it was last used by her, and that would have stuff on it. And even at the end they do the rally and the district attorney is the one who starts getting really interested in the case. Well, he's just an attorney.

He can only do so much investigation. It didn't mention if he was getting more information from the police, like if police were actually starting an investigation because now there's an attorney involved or to what extent they've investigated. So it just was frustrating because I felt like it was still lacking a lot of information that made me think that maybe there's still not a lot of investigation.

Actually, yeah. You got anything else, Rachel? No. Okay, that's it.

Thanks again for listening. We'll catch you on the next one.