Gut Health, Starting Over, and Finding Your Intuition with Nutritional Therapy Practitioner Jamie Jett

In this Can We Start Over podcast episode, Lindsey and Britt talk with nutritional therapy practitioner Jamie Jett about her journey to discovering the importance of gut health and making positive changes in her life.

Jamie shares her insights into the mind-body connection and the importance of self-care, from quitting her stressful job and adopting a morning ritual to incorporating a healthy diet. 

They also discuss the benefits of discipline and the impact of imbalanced lifestyles on intuition and overall well-being. Tune in for a thought-provoking conversation on taking control of your health and well-being. 

Don't forget to visit Jamie's website yourtravelingntp.com and follow her on Instagram at @yourtravelingntp for more information on her services. 

And if you're looking for someone to guide you back to energetic realignment with your inner knowing, reach out to Lindsey on Instagram at @sunnylandandco or visit her website at sunnylandandco.com. 

Finally, if you need help editing your podcast or mixing and mastering your music, contact Britt through the "Can We Start Over?" website or at @canwestartoverpod.

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Transcript

Britt: 0:16

Hey Fran, it's me again, Brit.

Lindsey: 0:20

And my name is Lonely Girl.

Britt: 0:23

73. Yeah, because that's how old you are. And the year you were

Lindsey: 0:27

born, somehow figure it out. Um, and I am someone you used to talk to on AOL Instant Messenger coming down to hunt your dreams, but really, my name's Lindsay.

Britt: 0:41

Is there an app for the, can you like, download an AWOL instant messenger like app that just simulates

Lindsey: 0:48

Ooh. It's like, okay, you know, at the mall, and it's probably not only at the mall, but my experience is at the mall you can buy the like, 82 games in one. Mm-hmm. And as Mario and Duck Hunt and all of the things like video games. Oh, right. It's like that.

Britt: 1:04

But it, but you just go on and it simulates you talking to like hot girls or whatever you did on Aim or what If

Lindsey: 1:10

it's like all of the, um, internet experiences from the early internet. So it's aol, it's Napster, it's uh, hotter, not Oregon Trail. Oregon Trail Live Journal.

Britt: 1:26

Now for our younger listeners, could you explain what a mall is?

Lindsey: 1:30

Um, a mall. I think it's like when a tiger bites you really hard. I don't actually, damn. I think it's, uh, I think a mall is an indoor space with many stores for shopping and eateries and entertainment. Don't say eatery.

Britt: 1:48

That's a trend. I can't get down with Eatery. Eatery. You don't like it? It's a fucking restaurant. I don't know. It's a, I'm sure Eatery is something. It's fucking smart. It's a bistro. Donnie, I'm trying to take you to a goddamn bass. Stro for your birthday, Brenda. Trying to, not another fucking

Lindsey: 2:05

eatery. We're not, I will not be subjected to an aery. Mm. For all the new listeners here, if you're still here and you haven't tuned out and thrown your phone into a river, we are. Brit and Lindsay, we're a married couple who decided to sell our house, sell everything we own. Take our three kids on the road, travel around the world to find a new home. And along the way, people kept asking about our story. So we started this here little podcast, and we started talking to other people who were starting over in their own unique and amazing ways. And that's what we're doing here today, and we're so glad you're here. Whether you've been listening for. Seven episodes or one because the, we don't have that many in the, in the clip.

Britt: 2:52

Oh, we have plenty in the clip. We don't have any emptied out into the, the earth. The earth, yeah. We just, we just

Lindsey: 3:00

go wild. So tell everyone that we're talking about guns now. Um, no, we, we don't condone any form of violence. Oh. Should we tell'em what

Britt: 3:08

the podcast is called? It's called Can we

Lindsey: 3:11

start over? This is ridiculous. This here that you're listening to is called Can We Start Over? And today we have an excellent interview with one of our old friends, Jamie Jet. She is a nutritional therapy practitioner. And we learned so much from her, not only because our journeys are kind of the same, uh, we came from like partying in our twenties and maybe even early thirties to. Wanting to dive deeper into health, wellness, personal practices, spiritual practices, all of the practices. And so we learned a lot from her today about how to, you can just cut this part out. Cause I don't know, what did we learn about from her? You're just gonna look at me like Frog or what? What

Britt: 4:04

did we learned about regulating sleep? Maybe taking control of your blood sugar levels, how to be more mindful of your body and listen to your

Lindsey: 4:15

gut. Yeah. And she really lays down some simple, useful practices. So I really appreciate that framework around health, where it's like it's not unattainable. These are all simple changes that we can make to feel better.

Britt: 4:33

Right. And you can find her on AIM at nutrition, nutritional therapy practitioner, Jamie Jet. 1980 something. uh.com. Is that how

Lindsey: 4:46

it worked? No. I think her actual way you can find her is on her website, your traveling ntp.com or on Instagram at your traveling ntp. And there you can find more about her services. She works with people one-on-one for their nutritional health healing path, and she also has a really cool 12 re week group container that's all about resetting your energy, which I really feel called to, and I think I'm gonna check that out. So again, Jamie Jet at your traveling N T P on Instagram or on her website. Also, if you're looking for someone to guide you back to energetic realignment with your inner knowing, with your trust. With your intuition. I work with people one-on-one with mindfulness, inner child work, shadow work, sound healing, and embodiment and somatic release to guide people back into trusting their inner knowing. If this is something that is interesting to you, I would love to share more information with you or meet for a one-on-one session. My two favorite offers that I have right now are the energetic realignment session. These are three hour deep dives into your inner being where you will be so gently and lovingly guided by me working through whatever's popping up for you so that you can move forward in trust. Or I work with people one-on-one in a 12 week container that I call the Remembrance. In this, we meet once a week. We work in mindfulness. We do embodiment practices, journaling, inner child work, tapping into the shadow, loving the shadow, sound, healing, and working to give all parts of ourselves space to be seen and accepted. If either of these sound like a fit for you, reach out to me on Instagram. You can DM me For more information, it's Lindsay Ake or check out my website, sunnyland and co.com.

Britt: 7:14

Or if you need somebody to edit your podcast, mix, master your music. Hit me up. My name's Brit j Brit Robes show. Find me through our website here at, can We Start over podcast.com or at, can we start over? Pod. All right, let's get into this episode. Let's do it. Check, check. Our voices are coming in to the mic. Ra phone. Cool. What's new? Jamie, where

Jamie: 7:42

are you at? I am in Austin, Texas. I'm in Texas. The state that you guys left? Um, part part of it, yeah. Yeah. A much d don't blame you. Different part. A much different part. Um, yeah, I'm at home. Uh, I took the afternoon off so I could focus on this and Oh, thank you. Yeah. Yeah. So glad it. My pleasure.

Lindsey: 8:09

Don't worry. This is gonna be awesome. We're so glad to be with you and talk to you more about your own starting over journey and I think it's really interesting.

Jamie: 8:22

It's gonna really help a lot of people. Oh, thank you. Yes, I'm super excited. Yeah, thank.

Lindsey: 8:29

So let's, why don't we start by, I'd love for you to tell us what, like what called you to be interested in, in health and specifically nutrition.

Jamie: 8:44

Yeah. I would say it was kind of like a collection of things that started to happen in my life. Um, I think it was around 2019 where I was working for a local, like media and entertainment outlet here in Austin. And I was super overworked and underpaid and super stressed out, like all the, all the things that a lot of people feel. And I just had this realization that I just felt super disconnected, um, from my body and just from what I wanted in life. I was like, I don't even think that I want these things. I have a house now. I have this career, I guess, and I just felt like. Is this even what I want? Um, and I wasn't taking care of myself. My body was all outta whack. I was super stressed. I had like, I kind of felt a little manic most of the time. And in my physical body, just like bloated, I crashed every day at like 3:00 PM Um, I didn't really exercise regularly and I had a lot of bad habits. I drink all the time. Um, I smoked like a pack of cigarettes a day, so taking real good care of myself basically. Mm-hmm. And I just knew that something needed to change and I didn't know what, so it started with just choosing to quit that job. I was like, this, I need to make space for something different and I don't think I can do that until this part of me changes. Um, so it started there and then I didn't have a job lined up. Like I just quit with nothing in the back burner. Um, which was a little scary. But also I just didn't have room to like look for jobs while I was working at this other one. I just couldn't do it all. Um, so I quit and in that time I started journaling and meditating and doing like a whole morning ritual. And I started doing this, the Future Self Journal from the Holistic Psychologist. And you know, in that, I'm sure you've heard of it, right? A helpful thing. I've done it for years. Yeah, it's amazing. Um, and in that, you know, there's a prompt to where you just kind of think about your future self and these things about your future self. And I would write things like, I am gut healthy, I take care of my gut. Um, I feel good in my body, like things like that. Um, without really knowing that I really cared a lot about nutrition, I just think I instinctively knew how connected that was to spirituality and intuition and everything. Like feeling good in your body is what really like connected the dots for me. And then a couple years later I did this inflammation spectrum diet from Dr. Will Cole. Um, And it was a big elimination diet and I just realized how much I really liked reading about it and geeking out on recipes. And I kind of liked like having these confines of how to cook and eat things and like I had a limited diet and I don't advocate for that anymore. But at the time it was super helpful for me to like realize what I liked and what I didn't like and just get in tune and yeah, I was just like, I like this. And I started to think about my whole life and I was like, I've kind of always been interested in nutrition and it's looked very different throughout my life, but at this time I was just like simultaneously knowing that I didn't want like a 40 hour a week, nine to five job and realizing how much I enjoyed that. Then I just started kind of Googling nutrition careers and that's when I found the Nutritional Therapy Association and signed up. So yeah.

Lindsey: 12:17

That's amazing that you said like you liked the confines of. Like a restricted diet. I really resonate with that because when I've practiced like a restricted diet and it's not, we're not talking about caloric restriction, obviously, just like mm-hmm. Elimination certain foods. Just wanna make sure everyone knows that. Yeah. Um, but it's, the confines really remind me of like, the con confine can be constricting, but like the discipline also really reminds me of like the discipline of a meditation practice or like the beginning of some kind of spiritual practice. Like, you need this framework of discipline to really embody like what you're learning. Right. And your body needs that too.

Jamie: 13:09

Yeah. I wouldn't have thought of it that way, but Yeah, that's totally right. It's, yeah, it's something that's kind of freeing about. Restriction in a way, if that makes sense. It's so true. It's discipline. It's more of just like this discipline and getting in this mindset of where you're focusing so much on your body or whatever you're doing at that time. Like all your focus goes to it and then you realize you enjoy it or you don't, and then you do something else. But in my case, I really enjoyed it.

Lindsey: 13:38

Yeah. Yeah. So you mentioned your previous career and what I wanna know about that is the industry that it was in, was it like it led to a lifestyle that felt out of sync for you?

Jamie: 13:56

Uh, yeah, definitely. So I worked for, like I said, an events and entertainment media thing. So it was a website here in town and a lot of coverage for all of the shows that are happening in Austin all the time, all the live music. Got it. Festivals, events, um, a lot of sponsorships from alcohol. So a lot of freedom.

Lindsey: 14:16

Like how do you Yeah, yeah. It's all about going out. I can

Britt: 14:20

definitely relate to that, especially working in the music industry. And there was a time that in, in the studio, either I drank because I was in there with my friends and we were having fun, or I drank because maybe the band wasn't that good and I wasn't having fun. You like drinking to have fun. Super. Exactly. So there was like, it was one or the other, but I was, I realized at one point, oh my God, I'm drinking every time I'm in the studio. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And the, I don't feel good. It doesn't make me feel good. And also recently you mentioned gut health. I've had a, a big aha moment in the last few years realizing, I think when you realize that your gut health is so connected to every other part of your health, mental health, your emotions, everything. It just all makes sense and it just, it. It can easily change the way that you eat and think about things or the, the way you tried it eat. Yes. Yeah. Yes, definitely. So I'm glad to hear more about that.

Jamie: 15:15

Yeah, yeah, for sure. Um, yeah, it's super important. Uh, and I think there's been so much coverage about that topic lately, just like the gut brain connection and all of that type of thing. Right. And I think it's super interesting how people get comfortable with it, whether it comes from a nutritional gateway or if it's more of like the spirituality and then you kind of get led to food, which is kind of why it worked for me. Like I got more into just focusing on being connected to my body. And for me that was like movement. Um, and then a lot of like separating from my mind, like mindfulness, meditation, that kind of stuff. And then I was like, okay, I'm doing all these things and that's great, but my body is still like, I can't like hear my gut cuz it's all fucked up. Mm-hmm. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

Lindsey: 16:06

So how does, can you tell us, for someone who's not versed in like the, the gut brain connection, can you tell us how your gut health either helps or hinders or hides your intuition or your knowing?

Jamie: 16:24

Mm-hmm. Yeah. So I mean, it's a lot of imbalance. So your body will adapt to whatever you're doing to it. So if you are drinking a lot, it's going to adapt to that and it's going to make itself more comfortable, I guess, with that behavior, if that makes sense. It's what you're practicing. So, um, that can be things like a yeast overgrowth or the bad bacteria in your gut kind of starts to outweigh the good. I'm saying like bad and good with quotes because of course I think they do all serve some type of purpose, but it's, like I said, the body is adapting so, While it may be bad in the sense that it's causing some kind of overgrowth, it really is trying to protect itself. Um, which is super interesting. Um, but yeah, when these things get out of whack, um, some of the symptoms that are attached to that are like brain fog, um, mm, infection, getting sick, I think. Sorry. Um, things like that. Um, and just that puts you out of touch with your intuition because you can't focus. Um, it also makes you tired. It affects your energy. Um, if you're getting sick a lot, then you don't wanna do anything good for yourself. So it's like this cascade of things that can happen. What

Lindsey: 17:46

I what I am hearing you say is like, you're like kind of stepping away from good and bad, and like the polarity is your body's operating out of baseline. And it's a lower baseline to like keep you alive cuz that's its job if it's having to deal with all these Yes. Imbalanced things. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yes,

Jamie: 18:09

exactly. Mm-hmm. Yeah, that was a very good way to put it.

Lindsey: 18:13

So can you tell us a little bit more about, did you experience like a single singular aha moment where you knew you needed something different and you needed to start over? Or was it a gradual, you mentioned incorporating practices, but I wonder if there was like the singular moment or if there was a gradual knowing that led you down this

Jamie: 18:37

path? It was definitely more of a gradual thing. Um, if I had to pick which moments, I would say there was three-ish. The three that are coming to mind is, like I was mentioning this whole frustration with my job. Um, and this realization of just being super disconnected and out of alignment. Mm-hmm. Um, and not really knowing what that meant, but just knowing something needed to change. Mm-hmm. So I think that was definitely one. And then another thing that I realized was my son was getting older, so I have a 17 year old, um, which is crazy. That's amazing. That is crazy. And I, right.

Britt: 19:23

Just cause we know you and we've known him from when he was small, not

Jamie: 19:25

because Yeah. You've known him so long. 17 year olds are weird.

Lindsey: 19:28

Yeah.

Jamie: 19:30

They're kind, they're kinda weird. It's different. Yeah. Um, but, you know, I had him kind of young, I had him at 22, so I, I went from like being taken care of by my parents to being one. And so I never really had that. I never had my twenties really. I never had that decade of like, figuring stuff out and realizing what I wanted or what I needed or who I was. Like I didn't. I didn't really have that time. And as he was getting older, I remember really noticing that I didn't know how to take care of myself. Like if he went out of town to visit his dad or my parents or something for the summer, um, I like wouldn't clean. I didn't eat good. I drank all the time. Like I just didn't take care of myself. And I had this like, realization with my husband and I remember kind of crying and just being like, I dunno that I trust myself. Like I need to, if he grows up and moves out and I'm still in this way of living, Hmm. Uh, I'm gonna freak out. It's gonna be a mess. Like I'm not gonna, yeah. You know, it's kind of like I needed him at that time to like really make me take care of myself. So I needed to figure that out for myself. Um, so that was another big thing that kind of set me on this path. And I remember telling him that, that time being like, I think I need to go to therapy. Mm-hmm. And I did it right away. Um, And then I think the thing that really just like put it over the top for me was about two months into this unemployment that I was talking about earlier was, uh, something super traumatic and scary happened to close friends of mine and, you know, you know this story. Um, and I'm not gonna tell that story cuz it's not my story to tell, but, um, it was just super close friends of mine who went through something super scary and horrible and awful and I was there with them through a lot of it. Um, and just watching that happen, it just affected me on a huge level. It just made me wanna change. Um, and I didn't really know what was ha like, I didn't know how to translate it as it was happening, you know, it was just super intense and it just made me wanna stop living the way that I was living. I'm not totally sure why. I think because when I got the call. About all of this happening was I was actually like super drunk whenever I got this call. Mm-hmm. Um, was at a friend's house and having like a party kind of thing get together. Um, and the adrenaline like snapped me out of it and I was, you know, not really feeling the effects of alcohol the rest of the night, but it's still just bothered me that that was even something that I had thought that would in that state, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, this event, it wasn't like a physical like death or like a mortality reality check kind of thing. I guess there was a little bit of that, but it was real, like, to me it was like a manifestation of like super dark and scary, chaotic parts of the universe. Mm-hmm. Like these things exist and I think like seeing this dark, scary, chaotic force manifest, like subconsciously, I think I just learned that the only thing I can control is me and how I react and how I show up and just the way I was showing up. I don't think I was really counteracting this energy. Um, I just feel like the way that I was acting wasn't, I guess, for like the greater good, I guess, of the collective. Yeah. Like my energy is kind of, although it's not dark and scary by any means, but it wasn't like, you know, living in a way that was aligned or Right. Putting out lots of good love and you know, all of that. So I think that really just put me over the edge and it was like, from there I kind of took a step back from alcohol and really did a lot of introspective work and Yeah.

Lindsey: 23:20

Yeah. Yeah. I think that was similar for us too. I, when something happens in your community that it, it's like a shockwave where you really get called to look at yourself and you, we might not even know why, right. Yes. Because yeah, exactly what you're saying. It's like, it doesn't, you can't explain in, in human language how it correlates, but somehow this correlates to like, how do I wanna be alive? Because it is such a gift. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And if I'm not really living it to my truest expression, to my healthiest being, then what the hell am I doing? You know? Yeah. No, exactly. And I wanna show up for these people that I love in the best way. And, and also these people means me too. Yes. You know, I'm included in

Jamie: 24:17

that. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. That's

Lindsey: 24:19

amazing. So then how did you start to turn that around, uh, maybe specifically with alcohol, since you mentioned that at that time you were, you know, Feeling pretty drunk or in that moment, but how did you start to turn your relationship with alcohol around?

Jamie: 24:44

Um, well, at first it got worse and then, yeah. Okay, perfect. Yeah, like immediately following this didn't do great. But, um, I had already had this practice of journaling and stretching and starting this morning ritual, like I had just started that when all of this happened. Like I quit my job a month into that, maybe even less is when I started this morning ritual. And then a month after that is whenever this happened. So it was interesting because I had the space to show up for this family. Mm. Um, and I was there for like a week or so after it happened, like living with them and then coming back and forth, you know. Um, and then from there I just really went in on the journaling and I just decided to really like that future self journal. I just stuck with alcohol as like, Beautiful. My first, yeah, my first thing, and I think I filled up like two or three journals talking about writing about alcohol. Oh, wow. Yeah. And I just really wanted to focus on like why, like why I drank, like what were my keys? I didn't really wanna like quit cold Turkey. I didn't feel like I was an alcoholic by any means. I just felt like I had an unhealthy approach to it. Right. Um, at times. And that it was a pattern, and I really wanted to understand the pattern more than just quit drinking. Mm-hmm. You know? Mm-hmm. I just didn't feel like that was the ultimate answer. I just really wanted to understand the deeper reasons why. Um, and I, yeah, like I said, I filled up a few journals and I started to cut back more and more as I was doing this writing. Um, and then this was over the course of like a year, maybe two ish. Yeah. Um, and then in 2022, I just decided not to drink at all. Um hmm. And it was, I guess a New Year's resolution, but even then I was so scared to commit to a year and I was like, yeah, I'm just gonna go month by month. Yeah. It's like, we'll do January and then we'll do February and I'm just not gonna commit to the whole year. But by the time I got to like March or April, I was just like, I'm gonna do it. Like, I'm not really even struggling, honestly. It feels really good. Um, and I think that's the difference. I think when you just cut something out entirely, I think that's a good way to start, for sure. But if you also then don't really investigate yourself and like why you're even leaning into these habits, um, there's really no point. So, right. Yeah. Um, and then my intention with that into not drinking at all, was I wanted to have room for other experiences. I was like, nothing's gonna change again if I keep doing the same thing. So it, right, right. Yeah. It was just, I wanted to practice something else and then, That's the year that I did my yoga training was last year. So I ended up making like new friends that don't really break. I mean, some are trade up sober and others, I mean, it's just not their thing. So yeah, they're just way more into spirituality and taking care of themselves. So I got like a new community out of it. Um, I finished the nutrition training also during this year. Um, so yeah, a lot of, a lot of really good stuff happened.

Lindsey: 27:46

Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. So it's really interesting to me because the way you're like communicating your relation with relationship with alcohol reminds me of my relationship with alcohol, and I wonder if you know, or have a knowing of what you might have been like not wanting to pay attention to, and so choosing to drink or to, to over consume alcohol, you know, is there something that you Yeah, that was like an underlying. Thing there.

Jamie: 28:21

It's, it's a good question and one that I definitely spent some time trying to figure out. Um, and I can't really like pinpoint it to be honest. I have a few ideas. I think, I think growing up in the suburbs I was like super scared of being bored or something, or like, right. Kind of like this

Lindsey: 28:41

essence of fun is so wrapped up in alcohol in our, especially in Western culture. Like, especially, especially in Texas. I don't know, maybe that's not true everywhere in Idaho. They're still partying, but it's like, yeah, steering clear of boredom. I, I wanna have fun. And that becomes associated, that that's how you do

Jamie: 29:02

it. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And this like rebell, I think mm-hmm. Was a lot of it. And like that was something I realized too, was how much I rebel against myself. It was, Ooh. It was like a really harsh realization like, I've always identified kind of as a rebel and like sticking to the man and all that stuff. Like since I, from a very young age. Yeah. And then as I got older, realizing I'm just rebelling out myself at this point and not doing the things that I want.

Lindsey: 29:30

Right, right, right. Yeah. What am I actually rebelling against? Oh yeah. Yes.

Jamie: 29:34

Yeah. Yeah. And then, yeah, I don't think I had like this, like a traumatic moment or anything, or I think it was a lot of that. I think I have patterns of like self-sabotage. And again, I don't really know where those come from and I don't really care. Like it doesn't really matter to me anymore. Matters that I just understand it's a thing that I'm dealing with.

Lindsey: 29:53

Right, right. It's all part of the human experience. Like we're in, we're in human school, right? So we're gonna pick up things that we need to then work on or, or we can work on

Jamie: 30:06

if we want to. Yeah,

Lindsey: 30:09

exactly. Yeah. Yeah. But I also think it takes a lot, it takes a certain kind of person and it takes a lot of courage to, to wanna change something. So how do you feel that in, in relation to health? Like how did you need to

Jamie: 30:30

show up? I think for me, showing up in a more clear and conscious way was super important. Um, presence has always been important to me. Um, and staying out of my head, you know? Mm-hmm. Like letting myself enjoy present moments. I've always been pretty conscious of the fact that life isn't full of like these crazy amazing things all the time. Like you find them in the small things. And I think I've been pretty aware of that from a pretty young age, but I think I was kind of losing touch with that and I think it was important for me to remember that and really live it and. I've been attracted to meditation and mindfulness and consciousness and all that for a long time, but never really like dove in. Yeah. And I think it was important for me to figure out how to do that. And so for me it was just starting with that morning routine and I think I meditated for a minute a day for like a year. Like I wasn't like really, like I wasn't one of those people who was like, I'm gonna meditate for half an hour every day. Like no, it was a very slow burn for me. Um, and I understood it was this practice. Um, and so yeah, I just really wanted to make sure I was showing up present and enjoying myself and enjoying the company of whoever I was with. Really listening to people, really listening to myself and just taking it all in. It was just important for me that I just took in life. Yeah.

Lindsey: 32:05

Yeah. And you can do that more and more like the more you're clear. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. So I love that you said that you meditated for one minute a day because so many, yeah. So many people don't like they're interested in changing a pattern or changing a behavior or healing or whatever it is, but they stop. I'll say we, because this has been my experience too, but we stop ourselves because the, we have this idea that it has to be 30 minutes or that it has to be, um, you only eat kale or whatever it is. And what is actually so much more powerful, and you can see it in people's stories. It's like what's actually so much more powerful is this, uh, commitment to small changes almost like. You could, it could be so small that it's like you can't even perceive it, you know? Mm-hmm. But tell me, talk to me about that in regards to health. Like what are the smallest ways that people can turn towards a healthier lifestyle when it comes to

Jamie: 33:21

nutrition? Yeah, that's a great question and it's something I really try and work with with my clients is I don't, I don't really advocate for these sweeping changes that often, unless like the person's totally down. Some people have just kind of this all or nothing tenacity. And I think if they've got that, take advantage of it for sure. But I don't think it leads to sustainability. Mm-hmm. So I think it is this small, these small changes. So part of the work that I do is people submit a food and mood journal and they write down for five days, like everything they ate, how they made them feel. How they slept, et cetera, et cetera. And so I look at that and I find small changes that they could make. Mm. Um, and then we kind of go slow. Like it's, it's this idea of just going slow and really letting a habit take hold before moving on to the next one. Um, and I think that's super important. And then I think as far as just like small things that anyone could do is if you're feeling crappy, and that means not just in your body, but like mentally if you're stressed, anxious, all those things, just be like, have I moved, have I drank water? You know, like these really simple things that people are kind of bad at, honestly sometimes. Right, right. I am. Yeah. Plenty of times.

Lindsey: 34:47

Yeah. Well, it reminds me of, I'm not gonna remember the acronym right now. Dang it. I wish I could remember it. But there's this AC like parenting acronym. Where if your kid's like kind of thrown a fit or whatever you, you think, are they, could they be hungry? Could they be tired? I can't remember. And it spells a word. Mm-hmm. It'd be so much better if I could remember it.

Jamie: 35:10

I get it though. I'm picking up on what you're throwing. I

Lindsey: 35:12

get it. But, but it's like treating yourself. It just reminds me of like treating yourself like a kid is like, you know, the, we're like pushing ourselves all the time and it's actually like, oh, do I feel shitty because I'm just tired? Or because I'm hungry? Yeah. Or two other things. What are the other two you need the mommy milk. What are the two other things? Well, I dunno. Can I look it up real quick?

Jamie: 35:37

I guess. Oh yeah, I dunno. Uh, but yeah, those are very solid starting points for sure that anyone could ask themselves.

Britt: 35:44

God, it's always so simple, right? You know, like, why are we always. Not paying attention, you know? Yeah. These really simple things. And

Jamie: 35:52

I think, I think a lot of people like reach to optimize their nutrition and they're like, oh, I need b6. And it's like, I mean, really You should eat breakfast. Like

Lindsey: 36:03

I love it. Slow down. Right, right. It's like people wanna take it. Same thing with meditation. It's like people wanna take it to the, to the oth degree of like, I'm gonna biohack my shit. Yes. And be like this ultra performance athlete. And really it's like, you should just go walk around the block

Jamie: 36:23

first

Lindsey: 36:24

before you are gonna bio hack or whatever.

Jamie: 36:27

Yes. Smell some fresh air. Totally. It biohacking is funny. Oh, go ahead out. No, I wanna hear what you say. I just think biohacking, like it has its place. I think if you've done all the work and then maybe you're to that point, but I think that people reach for that so early and it's like, it's actually very simple. Like go outside. Drink some water, eat three meals and sleep like

Lindsey: 36:52

you're pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. Um, halt Is the acronym hungry, angry, lonely, or tired? Ooh. Use it for your kids. Use it for yourself too. Wait, am I in a mood? Halt. Am I hungry? Am I angry? Am I lonely? Am I tired? Probably all those things probably. I'm probably a mix of all. Always. Except for not hungry, but wanna eat.

Jamie: 37:18

No, that's good. I'm gonna start using that. I love

Lindsey: 37:21

Halt. So kind, just doubling down on that, like starting simple and simplification. Do you have like three or a couple keys that you tell your clients to focus on if they wanna improve their nutritional health?

Jamie: 37:40

Yes. Um, If I narrow it down to three, like I said, it's kind of different for everyone. And what I like about my training is it's super bio-individual. It kind of depends on what people are dealing with. But I would say that there are definitely like a few foundational things that everyone should try and do. And I think the first one is just eat real food. Like this processed food. Mm-hmm. Um, if the ingredients list is like a novel and has all of these words, you don't know, it's probably just not even food. Right. And that goes for like beauty and cleaning products too. Like don't put it in your body. Don't put it on your body, don't put it in your house. Like, just keep the fake shit away. Like that's

Lindsey: 38:25

you're number, like I just spent my.

Jamie: 38:33

I know what is gum like I don't get it.

Britt: 38:34

I know, right? I agree. I'm not actually hitting gum. What is gum?

Lindsey: 38:38

What is gum?

Jamie: 38:39

That would be an interesting podcast host. Move instead just chew gum the whole time.

Britt: 38:45

It's funny, when I go see a band and the singer is chewing gum while they're playing, I'm always like, what are you, are you fucking with us? Cool guy. Move like, are you cool? Or like, what

Lindsey: 38:54

is, of course they're the lead

38:56

singer

Britt: 38:56

of a band. And of course I said that to somebody once and they were like, oh, I do that all the time. Cuz my mouth gets, uh, gets dry when I'm singing and I'm like, oh, sorry, you're not in asshole.

Lindsey: 39:10

Um, that's funny. I'm the asshole. As you chew gum. Yeah. Yeah. As I chew gum.

Jamie: 39:18

Um, I'd say a couple of other things. Number two would definitely be getting in touch with your nervous system because you can't digest your detox when you're in. Uh, sympathetic state. So fight or flight. Um, so if you're stressed all the time, like your body starts down, prioritizing, like digestion, detox, all of those things. So a lot of people are chronically stressed. Um, the modern life is a huge contributor to that. We have a lot of stressors in our lives. Um, and if you're in this state all the time, it's gonna affect your health for sure. And everybody knows that, but I don't think they realize like how simple it can be. Um, it can be as simple as when you sit down and eat, actually sit down and actually take the time to chew your bites of food and eat a little bit more mindfully. Like, don't scroll on your phone. Don't watch tv if you're with someone like enjoy that community. I tell people that really struggle with this, or if they eat alone a lot, I'm like, at least watch like comedy or something like, like, but like, don't dooms spill the news. Or even like Instagram, it's too short. You know, you're just, it's like these little bits and its mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Your brain is just like, it needs to like chill and you need to be calm because if you don't, like your meal is kind of like, it's a washer kind of like, ah, yeah. It's not really like getting absorbed. So that's a huge one. And then the last one would be stress management. Kind of piggybacking off of that, um, I think everyone knows stress gives you cancer. Everyone says that. Like, and they're really like down to accept that statement, but I don't think they realize that it also affects like everything, like every system, your sleep, which then affects everything. Um, so yeah, just exploring ways to manage stress, whether that's movement. I like to tell people to sweat, go to Asana, do some hot yoga, sit outside, run, walk, processing emotions, so journaling, therapy, any kind, any modality. Just something to help you manage and cope with stress and be able to flow between your nervous states where you're not getting stuck in fight or flight where you can like realize you're in it and then get yourself out of it. Super,

Lindsey: 41:39

super important. How, how do you suggest in the moment, is there a practice or a handful of practices that you suggest to people that help them downregulate? Uh, deep breaths

Jamie: 41:51

all day long. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Um, I tell people like the easiest thing of if you're sitting down to eat, actually take like three big sniffs of your food because you're doing two things. You're doing the deep breath, so you're kind of helping your nervous system out. And also when you smell your food, your body automatically, this is amazing. Your body automatically starts to prep for whatever it's smelling. So like if you've got like a steak, your body is like, knows what enzymes to release it, knows how to like handle that food. So, wow. That's why cooking is also awesome because when you're cooking, you're smelling it the whole time and it's like you're already kind of prepping your body for. Enjoying it. Um mm-hmm. That's really good information. So something in the moment. Yeah. I remember when I learned that, I was like, what? That's amazing. And also, of course it does. Of course. Right, exactly.

Lindsey: 42:41

Your body is your literal living antenna. Of course. It knows what to do. Yeah. You're the one in the way trying to biohack it. Yeah. Into submission. Yeah. Well, this makes, now I'm kind of wondering about like a selfish, a selfish question or, and that's what, what would you recommend for some, for people who are traveling? What I've noticed, I guess I'll just say what I've personally noticed as someone who is in touch with their nervous system and their felt sense and, you know, all the things that I love to talk about. But I've noticed as we're traveling that I can, um, I am activated more. So for us as not only are we busy parents, but then now we've have this amazing opportunity, but also we're moving around a lot. What do you suggest for us, someone who, it's kind of, I guess it's kind of the same as always being on the go, but we're in new environments

Jamie: 43:44

a lot. Yeah, that's a great question. Um, what came to mind is to dissociate drink alcohol. No, I actually like, think about y'all a lot, uh, because three kids, like kids and the nervous system is insane. Like Right, right. I mean they are always moving, they're always talking, they're always demanding attention. Not demanding, but you know, they want it. Um, yeah, they have a lot to say. They got a lot of feelings. Um, And Yeah, that's a tough one. I think dedicating yourself to whatever rituals you have and whatever practices that you have, and really, like not letting them go to the wayside when you're busy. Mm-hmm. Like those are the times. It's hard because those are the times when you really need to lean into all of those tools so much more. Um, and it's tough cuz it's like you don't want to, you're tired, you're stressed or whatever. Um, but those are the times where you need to make sure you're getting your sleep and that you're eating nutrition nourishing foods and that you're taking care of yourself and letting yourself rest. Um, yeah. That's the time to lean into all of those tools.

Lindsey: 45:04

Right, right. Yeah. It's like exactly. When we feel like we don't have the capacity for those things is actually when we just truly need them the most. Yeah. Like the most, the most kids. Yeah. Kids will. I mean, it's beautiful, but like kids will stretch you, you know? Yeah. Literally in every sense. Not only physically stretch your body, but they're gonna like stretch your, what you think you can handle and hold.

Jamie: 45:33

Yes. Yeah. I think also, and this is something I think you're both like really great at, is choosing to stay present in those moments. So, you know, it gets tough whenever you have a timeline or whatever in your head, and it's not going as planned for whatever reason. Like the kids are not having it or you're not, whatever's going on. So being present with your kids in that moment and choosing to not give into whatever your brain is telling you you need, so you feel stressed about and just being like, I mean, yeah, they're acting this way and it's frustrating, but like it's kind of outta my control and just like leaning into, right, like however they're choosing to be in that moment and instead of fighting it and just trying to roll with it. And same with traveling. Like I can't imagine like all of the moving around and being in a place that's not like your shit. Yeah. Just trying to like nest and feel comfortable and cozy while you're moving around a lot. I think you gotta like find that cozy nest. Within

Lindsey: 46:33

you. Within, exactly. Yeah, exactly.

Jamie: 46:36

So yeah, I guess that's a big lesson here.

Lindsey: 46:39

So true. It's so true. What you reminded me of is really unhooking from the, specifically from a parent standpoint, but also from just a living human standpoint, is unhooking from the story. So, cause if I'm in, if I'm activated, if I'm stressed out, then my mind is running this story that is actually just made of past and future not present, right? So it's running the story of like, here's everything that's going wrong. And then we don't even realize it, but we're like projecting this horrible future of like, now everything that's happening wrong right now means that the worst possible outcome is what's on the horizon. Yeah. So really, that's what I mean. Mindfulness is so amazing because we learn how to unhook from the story and the story could still be there, but we can just see it. And we're not, and a, we're not like, Um, an actor in the movie, we're just able to like, watch

Jamie: 47:34

it Yeah. And kinda laugh at it.

Lindsey: 47:37

Yeah. And just be like, oh, look at, look at what? I'll look at how amazing I am at creating these stories. I'm so creative. So that, that then reminds me of, as someone who has had a lot of, well, had a lot of different relationships with my health, but how, how do you tell clients to unhook from a story that they are unhealthy or that they can't feel better? Mm-hmm. You know, how, how can someone work with that?

Jamie: 48:11

That's a good question. I feel like people, by the time they make their way to me, I feel like they at least have some faith that they can. Um, and if they don't, I definitely spend a lot of time conversing with them about that. Um, I think for what I experience a lot in my practice is people thinking they're lazy. Mm-hmm. And that's a story that I come with across a lot. And that they, they won't do all of these things. They won't change, they won't exercise regularly because they're lazy. And then I'll be like, Bitch, you work like 60 hours a week and who's lazy? Two kids

Lindsey: 48:46

like you are not lazy. Like, and I just, and you and you're working with a nutritionist. Whatcha are you talking about? Or a nutritional Yeah. Health professional. Like you're, that is not lazy behavior.

Jamie: 48:56

Yeah. You're not lazy. Very few people are like truly lazy. I don't even know if anyone really is. I think that's just like a very common story that people tell themselves. And I do think people very much get, uh, caught in their story of sick or pain. Mm-hmm. I think people get attached to pain, like physical pain a lot. Um, and I, I really push meditation because it is a practice that allows you, like, the whole point of it is to detach from those stories. And I really, I have a video that I share with a lot of clients that is a video by holistic psychologist. It's like super simple. Like a eight minute video. And the way she breaks it down is just so clear and simple and talks about doing it like a minute a day. And that's what I tell people cuz I think a lot of people think that they, they say things like, I can't do it because I can't turn my mind off. And I'm like, of course you can't. Like no one can. Yeah. Like that's not really the end goal. The goal is to just like detach from this. Like see it and like you're saying, and just like let it be. Um, and that's a practice, that's a muscle, that's something you work out, that's an exercise. Mm-hmm. And, and it's whenever you wake up and decide to have this other story running in your mind, that's what you're practicing. And it's like what you're practicing is what you will experience. And so if you're practicing stress, if you're attached to your stress, if you're attached to feeling unhealthy, if you're attached to being tired all the time, whatever it is. That's gonna be what you practice, say, then you sleep in and then you eat bad, and then you do all these things and then you, you're just practicing these shitty things and it's like you can practice. Yeah.

Lindsey: 50:40

Good thing. And you're fueling the story further, fueling it that you like, I am bad at this. See I did it again. Yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Yeah. So turning around that, that prac, that story and like you said, like keep it simple. Keep the practices like daily, but simple. Mm-hmm. Right?

Jamie: 51:05

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I try and have everyone start small, like I said, so I'll like talk about the whole potential list of things someone could do. And I also like brainstorm with people, like if they're not really feeling meditation in the moment, then we talk about other things like movement, um, whatever ways they can connect to their body or. Help relieve stress in any way. I think that's a good starting point. Um, and yeah, I think people need to be ready for something. I don't really like just tell people what to do. I like pitch things. Mm-hmm. I'm like, what's resonating with you? Like what do you, where do you wanna start? I wouldn't recommend doing these six things tomorrow because you're probably not. And then you're gonna go into the story of like, I suck, I'm lazy, I can't do this, so let's keep it small and simple. Um, so yeah, these small little baby steps and seeing what they're into and what they intuitively feel would be a good starting point for them. Cuz it's different for everyone. But I do, I think meditation is super important and I, I, I don't think it looks the same for everyone. I don't think anyone has to, everyone has to sit on the floor and do that. I think there's moving meditations I find like I do Bikram yoga all the time and teach it. And for me that's been. A huge moving meditation. Like all you can do in that moment is focus on your body. Like that's, yeah, you have to be very present because you're dying. Not really, but it's pretty intense since like you have to Yeah, but

Britt: 52:36

really you're dying. We're all

Lindsey: 52:37

dying. Yeah,

Jamie: 52:39

that too. That too.

Lindsey: 52:42

But it's so true. Yeah. You, it's not, meditation isn't just sitting quietly and still. And I, and also, I think eventually the more people practice, they might come into relationship with that kind of meditation, but starting with a yoga practice that is primarily about, okay, I'm gonna train the mind, or, mm-hmm. Or just work with the mind is really Yeah. Helpful that

Jamie: 53:10

there's so many ways to do it. Yeah, I think like that physicality of any kind of movement really helps people get into their bodies and that makes it easier to detach from your mind. Like the more you can get into your body, like the more you can separate from those stories. Right, right.

Lindsey: 53:29

So going rewinding a little bit back to, you said you want your clients to like feel intuitively, what will be best for them? What that reminds me of is right now on my Instagram, I'm like inundated with like this, just like. Lose 20 pounds in 60 days and this and that, and that's, I don't know why, that's what's happening in my ads in Instagram right now because then in two weeks it'll be dresses or something. Yeah, but, or or bathing suits or recording equipment. Is it, but how, how do you tell people, how do you tell clients or potential clients or anyone to cut out? Like there's so much nonsense when it comes to health and what's being sold, you know, how do you tell people to like cut that out and actually discern what will bring them their best feeling self?

Jamie: 54:31

Mm-hmm. It's tough because the internet is crazy. Like you can Google something and find a whole article with sources and studies and whatever, backing up some kind of diet or some way of living or some diet or whatever. And. Then and how good and awesome it is and then you'll find another one. That's how bad it is. And it has studies and sources and anecdotes. Mm-hmm. And it's like they both exist. And so I do remind people of that and be like, look, you're gonna find arguments for in good and bad lights of everything under the sun. So all you can really do is like trust yourself and tune in and be like, what do I need? What am I struggling with? And trust the next step that presents itself. And also like hire someone, like right, hire someone. I mean like there's so many wonderful people like teaching all kinds of things. You're teaching awesome things with mindfulness and somatic stuff and all of that. And then I'm doing nutrition and then there are people that do fitness, all the things and find someone that you vibe with and work with them. Um, Because we're all here helping each other out. And I think a lot of people have this really DIY, nitty gritty attitude, me being one of them. Like I did that for years and then I was like, why? Like people have gone to school and they're like educated in these topics. Like why don't I just let them help me? Like that would be right. Really awesome. Right? Um, yeah. And then I also would say like, don't trust anyone who's pushing some singular way of living or being, or some diet or some one thing because it's just not true. Like there's, everyone is different. Everyone needs different support. Everyone's struggling with different issues. And that's why I love the education that I have is it's super foundational focused. Like we were talking earlier, it isn't like this shortcut, biohack like mandate approach, like it is super foundational. So it's like, let's see what systems are out of balance and get those a little more in tune first. And like usually by the end of working with someone, they feel so much more connected to themselves because they've had this journey of like tuning in. And then whenever I'm with them, like I ask, I'm not, like I said, I don't just like tell them exactly what to do. I'm like, these are things I think would nourish you, what makes sense to you? And we take it from there. Mm-hmm.

Lindsey: 57:00

Yeah. That's beautiful. Oh, now I had a thought and I just lost it. Danging. That's okaying it.

Britt: 57:06

Move to the next one. We have so many thoughts. It,

Jamie: 57:09

yeah. So many, so many.

Lindsey: 57:11

10,000 a day. Um, is that what they say? Yeah, it's, that's rough. 10,000 thoughts a day. Yeah. I mean that's what I learned. That's not that many, that's learned. That's what I learned from Jack Cornfield. It could be bullshit, but probably not. My mindfulness teacher, he told just me thousands in the training that we have roughly 10,000 thoughts a day. What would've thought more.

Britt: 57:35

That's the insane we need to open our

Lindsey: 57:37

minds. 10,000 thoughts a day is a lot. 10 to maybe it's 10 to 20.

Jamie: 57:42

Hmm. How many seconds are in a day? How many Exactly.

Britt: 57:46

Interesting. Let's get cornfield on here. One day. Yeah. One day. One day old cornfield. That's what

Jamie: 57:51

we call'em. Because I feel like there's more than one at a second. I feel you probably have like five a second. It feels like that's true,

Lindsey: 57:57

but think about when you're sleep. I mean, half of the day you're asleep. So if you cut out, it's not 24 hours. I mean, I guess your mind is still thinking when you're asleep also. What's a thought? We're going too deep. This is too deep.

Britt: 58:09

Am I, am I a thought or a snack?

Lindsey: 58:12

You're a snack. Thank you. This is going off the rails. Um, ok. So what you, you said work with someone at one-on-one? Mm-hmm. And I love that because there's a lot of options out there that are like, Yeah, this guaranteed plan, it's$27 or whatever, like just kind of tune in. Does it feel like a gimmick, right?

Jamie: 58:39

Mm-hmm. Yeah. And,

Lindsey: 58:40

you know, take a d you know, take a deep breath. Does this feel like a gimmick? Okay. It's a gimmick.

Jamie: 58:47

Yeah. Yeah. There are no shortcuts. People like, sorry. Mm mm-hmm.

Lindsey: 58:51

Exactly. No shortcuts. And you said the un like, see what systems are out of balance. And what that reminds me of, you said foundation and that's beautiful. It, it also reminds me of like the roots. Like let's heal all the way down to the roots because then we're actually growing stronger. Mm-hmm. Not just like fertilizing the top soil or making only the outward appearance look good, but like all the way down inside.

Jamie: 59:20

Exactly. Yeah. Healing because that's how you have like Yeah. That's how you get that sustainable change. And then, I mean, it's a journey like. Anyone who works with me or with anyone else, it's, they're gonna have whatever ahas they need to have in that moment. And then a year later they might work with someone else on some other topic. I mean, it's just gonna keep going and going and going. And it's, it's pretty cool. I think it's kind of beautiful. It's, like I said, there are no shortcuts. There is no like one stop shop. Like it's gonna be a whole, the next step will present itself. You know, you just lean into the first one and see what happens. Yeah.

Lindsey: 59:56

That's really good. So what are your personal pillars for your own health and vibrancy?

Jamie: 1:00:08

Um, kind of the same things. Like I really focus on eating real food. That is something that I am pretty consistent on. Unless you go out to eat, I mean, you go out to eat, you're eating some, you're eating some crap. You just gotta accept it. Um, unless you're going to a place that is definitely marketing. How not crappy they are. Um, and they will, they will let you know, right? Um, but, um, I really try and eat real food and take care of myself in that way. Um, I have my morning ritual, which I think is very important for my health. I think it's important to have that space between when I wake up and when I start my day at work or whatever I'm doing that day, um, to have that time to myself. And that is meditating, journaling, walking, spending some time outside, getting some sun, sunlight, super important. Um, and taking some deep breaths. Um, let's see, my other pillar, sleep. Sleep is a big one. Mm-hmm. I really prioritize sleep. Um, and if I end up staying up late, then I sleep late. I just, I make sure I get seven to eight hours. And if, like I said, if that means I stayed up late the night before, I really just, the next day's ruin, sorry. Like I'm gonna prioritize it as best as I can. Um, because that's when your body is taking care of itself. I mean, it detoxes, it does a lot in your sleep and it's super important that you're getting

Lindsey: 1:01:44

good sleep. Right. Right. Mm-hmm. So if, if someone isn't sleeping seven to eight hours a night, can they make it up with a nap during the day or does it have to be all at once? I don't know that I

Jamie: 1:02:04

know the answer to that. I think that whenever you, I think that you only reach certain levels of detox and um, like muscle repair and stuff like that whenever you go through the cycles. Cuz the thing when you sleep, you go through all the cycles and you don't go through them once. You go through them like several times. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And I don't remember off the top of my head, but you're. Ideally you should go through those cycles, like X number of times. I don't remember what it's, um, but yeah, if you cut that short, then you're interrupting that whole cycle. So I think the answer would be no. But it isn't a waste either. Like a nap, I think mentally yes, that definitely helps you. Um, but yeah, that it's that cyclical thing that your body really needs to go through all of the processes that sleep can do. Yeah.

Lindsey: 1:02:53

Yeah. How does alcohol affect sleep? It really

Jamie: 1:02:59

fucks it up

Lindsey: 1:03:02

end

Jamie: 1:03:02

of story. Yeah. I mean, it's even like, uh, one or two drinks can mess it up. Um, you don't really go into as deep of a sleep and when you wake up, typically, um, you're getting like a cortisol dump. I mean, everyone has like cortisol in the morning. That's what wakes you up. But, um, with alcohol and like with chronic stress, um, and blood sugar imbalances and all of those things, it makes that cortisol dump like, whew, like too much too soon usually. Um, that's like people that wake up like 4:00 AM ish, like three or 4:00 AM wide awake. Like that's typically a sign of like blood. I know we're talking about alcohol, but now I'm just on a blood sugar tangent, but I'm so

Lindsey: 1:03:43

interested.

Britt: 1:03:44

Yeah. No, for me it's 2:00 AM I'm totally vibing with this.

Lindsey: 1:03:48

Yeah. So what happens

Britt: 1:03:50

that, that cortisol dump, I wake up and then I start thinking about all the, the ways that, uh, things could go terribly wrong, even though mm-hmm. It doesn't make sense that they would, you know? Yeah. But just, you just can't, and you even, you're sitting there telling yourself like, that's ridiculous. Go back to sleep and

Lindsey: 1:04:05

it's not

Jamie: 1:04:06

working. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And it's not because the cortisol is doing its thing, so Yeah. You know, cortisol, it keeps you alert. It's the, it's the thing that makes you d And so, yeah, whenever that's pumping too much too soon, or at odd times, it's typically a blood sugar thing. Um, and you're kind of going into this fight or flight straight, you're basically have trained your body to not, um, trust its circadian rhythm. And to not have, like the cortisol, you can't really regulate it anymore. It's kinda like your body has been under so much stress because of whatever imbalances you may be suffering from. And then the cortisol is just like, well, I'm confused. It's just kinda like misfiring or like going at the wrong time, or you get like, um, like, uh, desensitized to it, so then it pumps more and it's, yeah, it's a whole, a whole thing. Wow. Yeah. So

Lindsey: 1:05:05

what about balancing blood sugar? Are there. Simple ways to focus on blood

Jamie: 1:05:13

sugar balance. Oh yeah. Yeah. It's actually not one that's too difficult to help yourself out with. Um, it might take a while because if you've been living in the state of imbalanced blood sugar, you could have like just a lot of untraining, I guess, of getting your body out of misfiring the system. But yeah, the, a lot of people don't eat breakfast. Mm. And they just drink coffee and they do this until lunch. Mm-hmm. And you know, I mentioned the cortisol is always there and that's what wakes you up. If you then immediately start drinking coffee, now caffeine is in the picture and now your cortisol is spiking even more. And your diet like protein and fat is what kind of helps it not spike. It's what keeps your glucose from spiking. Mm. So if you just have some breakfast before you drink your coffee, And that there's protein in that breakfast, not like a donut that's not gonna work, right. But like a good solid protein heavy breakfast, um, protein forward, not like a heavy, big breakfast, but protein forward breakfast, um, before your coffee is a great way to help yourself out. And then at all of your meals, making sure you're including adequate protein and fat. And that looks different for everyone, but I will say most people are undereating protein generally. Hmm. Um, for whatever reason. Um, but yeah, if you just make sure you have protein and fat that can really help those spikes and then getting your stress in check. So whatever's stressing you out, just trying to find ways that help relieve that stress. So, like I was saying earlier, whether that's movement, uh, Asana, sweating. Running, jogging, whatever, boxing, whatever helps you out. Like whatever helps you process things and get unstressed can be super, super helpful. Specifically blood sugar, actually, like high intensity workouts can be pretty helpful if you have pretty imbalanced Oh, okay. Blood sugar. Um, so those can be really good. But I always tell people, just do whatever feels good. Like if you don't have a routine in place, like let's start with whatever right now. Sounds good and doable and start there. Um, and then taking a walk after every meal is really good for blood sugar, cuz you're using up the energy basically you're like, gave your body some glucose. So if you eat your lunch and then you go right back to your desk, like you're not really like using it. So like if you move, maybe even do some weights for a couple minutes, five jumping jacks, just something to like, help your body kind of absorb that glucose, that energy. Then you're, you're helping it from spiking too. Those are some simple ways.

Lindsey: 1:07:53

That's really helpful. Yeah. Awesome. Yeah. Yeah. So I wanna ask one more question here cuz you said lunch. Uh, what about when you get like that, like after a meal, like, okay, now I wanna go lay down. What is that an indication of? Like what, like a blood sugar imbalance? Or

Jamie: 1:08:12

It could be, it could be a blood sugar. A lot of the time it's digestion. Um hmm. So this can go back to like gut health. Um, basically your body isn't really digesting the food, it's just, it's wearing it out to digest it for whatever reason. So that could be like, maybe you have low stomach acid or maybe you are in a chronically stressed state or whatever. Or yeah, your biomes a little jacked up or whatever. It could be a number of things, but it's a sign of a digestive system being thrown off. Um, And yeah, I struggled with that for a long time. Like I, it was a joke with my family, like after meals it was like I'm going to the couch. Like I would always want a nap after I ate. And I remember like saying things like, I think it's just, cuz my metabolism is so awesome and like all it's doing is just focusing on digesting. It's like, like the not what was happening, right. It was the opposite. Yeah. Um, so I definitely identify with that. Um, and I think for me my issue was uh, a lot of gut, some imbalances in my gut. Mm-hmm So did some protocols for that and started feeling a lot better. And that can look different for everyone too. That could be something as simple as kind of prepping your body for digestion. And you can do that with like warm lemon water before a meal. Kind of helps kickstart your digestion. That's what kind of helps your stomach acid start to, um, Release. Um, and you have a little bit more, you can digest things better if you have the right acidity. Um, what are some other things? The gut health thing, that's kind of different for everyone too. Like that can look like just simple changes in diet and it can look like a total like probiotic and kind of gut clearing products that are out there on the market. Mm-hmm. Um, but not forever. I think a lot of people think that they need to do these things and definitely like take probiotics and stuff like that. And that's not the case. Like if you could use like a reset maybe from time to time or if you're feeling this way and you've never worked with someone or you haven't really ever taken care of your digestion than yeah. Doing like a protocol for a couple months would be super helpful, but it's not something you need to do forever. Like you can get what you need from food and life and the earth. Like, you don't have to take supplements forever. You don't wanna Right.

Lindsey: 1:10:34

That was actually what I was gonna ask you next is like yeah, the, is the plan. For a client when you're working with a client is like the, the vision or the plan to eventually be, and this, I mean, obviously dependent on the person to be getting what they need from food, from earth, from mm-hmm. The water from sun and really dwindling those supplements down.

Jamie: 1:11:02

Yes, very much so. So most of the clients that I work with are finishing up supplements by the time we're done working together. Or maybe they have like one bottle they're finishing or whatever. But no, it's kind of like we use that so they can start to feel relief and start to be like, okay, I can feel better. And then it just makes it easier for them to implement all the other stuff we're working on and gives me a chance to just educate them. But like an N t P, the nutritional therapy work that I do, um, that's kind of what it focuses on is hel like empowering people to understand. Things about nutrition that they may not know these basic foundational things so that they can have the knowledge as they move through their life on how to take care of themselves.

Britt: 1:11:48

So what's something in this moment that you want to create or experience that feels like starting over or something maybe you've, you've always wanted to do but haven't done yet?

Jamie: 1:11:59

Um, well I feel like I'm getting like an opportunity to start over. Just by the way, life is like my son moving out to go to college in the fall. Wow. Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah. Um, but that's like a whole, that's a starting over for sure. That's a different lifestyle. Like I don't really know what that looks like. Um, but I think in that time I really wanna cultivate this kind of life I've been daydreaming, which is the traveling. I do wanna travel like my. Business that I'm starting with, the nutritional therapy is called You're Traveling N tp. And that's because I do wanna take it on the road. Like I do wanna have a van. I would love to like post, like I'm gonna be in California, who's in California that wants to work with me and like actually do in-person things. Whether that's just make a meal to like kickstart their time with me, whatever it looks like. I don't really know yet. But yeah, kickstarting, that kind of lifestyle that I haven't really, I don't wanna say been able, cuz I think you can do whatever you want. You guys are proving that. But, um, I like wanted to do this. I wanted to kind of have a home base for my son that was really important to me that we stayed in the same place for a long time so they could have these like long term friends and stuff like that. Um, so I've kind of put a lot of that like traveling stuff on hold and so I'm excited to. Dive into that. I have some like travel dreams. I really wanna backpack the J M T. Yeah. Kinda wanna put all that jmt, the John Muir Trail. John. Oh yeah. And yo Yosemite, it's partly Yosemite and partly in another park I think. But um, yeah, I wanna backpack that really bad cuz I love, I love a good physical challenge. Yes. And then, yeah, I just wanna kind of put all that mothering energy into like myself, my business and like just see what that, see what that brings. That's amazing. How exciting. And scary and sad. Yeah. And so many emotions.

Lindsey: 1:14:00

Everything. Yeah. But it's so important. I mean, this could be a whole nother episode that we could get into right now, but like just parenting and the importance of then letting them Yes. Go do their own thing. That's like, why. We are parent. Right? Yeah. So that they're equipped or in theory and hopefully in practice, that they're equipped to want to go do Yes. Their own big life. So you're doing awesome that you Yeah. You have a son who seems to me to be like someone who wants to go do something. Yeah.

Britt: 1:14:39

Not, he seems like a go not he has always seemed wise beyond his ears. Yeah.

Jamie: 1:14:43

Like, yeah. Yeah. He is. He's a teacher. It's really a teacher for sure. He's taught me a lot. Yeah.

Britt: 1:14:49

So we're down to just a couple questions here. Gonna get into some fun stuff. Uh, sweet. So what book or music are you loving

Lindsey: 1:14:55

right

Jamie: 1:14:56

now? Um, I'm not really reading that much unfortunately. Cause I've been same a little. Yeah. Um, I think the last thing that I started reading and didn't finish, I start reading a lot of books and don't finish, but the last couple of things Fair is book on. Yeah. A book on Bikram yoga, um, about the postures. Um, And then for music, I think because I am teaching yoga, I've been listening to a lot of e d m

Britt: 1:15:23

that's come up, uh, in episodes before two in interviews. Yeah.

Jamie: 1:15:27

Yeah. Just like awesome vibey instrumental stuff. Or even like, I love good like cheesy e d m, like it has to be this line of like cheese, but also really good. Um, I guess

Lindsey: 1:15:37

it's

Britt: 1:15:37

just a matter of time for me. Everybody going down this path is going into Yeah. M ok.

Jamie: 1:15:43

Then like, I love za the, the latest Za. Oh yeah. Awesome. Amazing. And then I'm kind of always listening to Frank Ocean. I listen to a lot of Frank Ocean. Mm-hmm. Nice. And then I actually, this past year especially got really like rehashed all the nineties music from my childhood. Oh. I do that

Britt: 1:16:04

every now and again. I feel ya.

Jamie: 1:16:05

Oof. It's fun. Uh, but yeah, I, I don't know if y'all have heard of the podcast band Splain, but No you haven't. So she. Does like four and five hour episodes on bands sometimes that are like two parts and it's like eight hours. Wow. Of like, that's amazing. A deep dive on a band. And like, and a lot of'em are like nineties, I think. She's my age. Um, and yeah, a lot of'em are like bands that I listen to so much of at the time. So then I'll listen to that and then I'll start listening to the band and I'll just go on this huge deep dive. So lot of nineties.

Lindsey: 1:16:39

That's so cool. You'll, we'll definitely need to listen to that Bands.

Jamie: 1:16:43

It's pretty nice.

Lindsey: 1:16:43

Remember it, Brent?

Britt: 1:16:45

So we like to end to this on a, uh, question from Jack and Eli. Okay. And so their question is, is the head in appendage?

Lindsey: 1:16:55

I have no

Britt: 1:16:55

idea. I don't either. I didn't know what to say, so I was like, I'm gonna ask. Whoever we have on next. And that's you. We're I gotta

Jamie: 1:17:03

Google what exactly is in appendage. Yeah, right, exactly.

Britt: 1:17:06

I need better definitions. Well, I can't answer this for my children. Oh, I don't wanna Google it though. I'm gonna wait. I'm gonna keep asking. I'm interviewing a doctor tomorrow, so we'll see what has to say. Say

Jamie: 1:17:15

they should know. I feel like an appendage. Isn't that like a wound? I don't know.

Britt: 1:17:20

No. Is it like a finger? Is it an appendage? Like something

Lindsey: 1:17:23

hanging off your body or something? Is your tail? Your tail?

Britt: 1:17:28

If, if you have a tail.

Jamie: 1:17:30

I don't know if it could be. I think by that definition, may No, no. I don't think it is by that definition actually.

Lindsey: 1:17:36

Right. It's kind. Yeah. It's holding your body up, not hanging off your body. Yeah. But I guess your core is holding your body up like your trunk. What a

Britt: 1:17:47

great question for a

Lindsey: 1:17:48

seven year old

Jamie: 1:17:49

to ask. So I'm stumped. This is, these,

Lindsey: 1:17:52

we get asked, um, roughly 375 questions a day every day by two seven year olds. And I realized recently how much I was saying I don't know, because they'll ask questions. I'm like, I don't know. So I'm trying to not say I don't know anymore because I was like, oh, I'm like subconsciously telling myself I don't know things. So I'm trying to find creative ways to say, I don't know. Yeah. Or to be like, let's figure that out

Jamie: 1:18:19

together. Yeah. Um, then you can have like a whole day of figuring that out. It's true. Use the internet and then Yeah. And then you'll have less questions, really. So yeah. Tell win.

Britt: 1:18:33

Awesome. Well, thank you Jamie, so much for coming and talking to everybody about what you do. Yeah.

Jamie: 1:18:38

Yes. Tell us, thank you so much. Tell, tell

Lindsey: 1:18:41

everyone how they can find you, how they can work with you. What you're offering right

Jamie: 1:18:47

now? Yeah, for sure. So you can find me on the Instagram at your traveling ntp, and then I have a website that's your traveling ntp.com and you can, there's different contact forms on those various platforms that you can reach me at. You can DM me, um, email me, whatever works. And my current offerings are, I'm still kind of figuring that out. But, uh, my main thing that I'd like to talk about is a group program called Empowered Energy System. And it's for people that are struggling with low energy and fatigue and not really feeling balanced or resilient in their bodies. And it's a 12 week program and that opens up periodically, so, It's a really good program that has like online modules. You also get one-on-one work and you also have like a group component. So it's a really good like holistic program that kind of checks a lot of boxes for different people. You get a lot of support. Um, and yeah, if you're interested in any of those, just reach out. Happy to talk about it.

Lindsey: 1:19:54

Amazing. Yeah. Thank you so

Jamie: 1:19:56

much, Jamie. Yes, thank you. I loved it. Thanks for having me.