Unlocking Your Psychic Abilities: A Starting Over Journey with David Petrusich

In this Can We Start Over podcast episode, Britt and Lindsey sit down with guest David Petrusich an evidential psychic medium, an astrologer, esoteric teacher. For a decade, David has worked with individuals and communities to help normalize psychism and connect deeper with the spirit world. In the episode, they talk about how David has started over a few times and left a 15-year career in the beauty industry to begin his practice full-time. Britt shares his experience with having a reading with David and how it blew his mind.

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David: 0:15

Hey

Britt: 0:15

everybody, welcome to this week's episode of the Can We Start Over podcast.

David: 0:19

My name is Brit. And my name is

Lindsey: 0:20

Lindsay. Welcome. Welcome. We're glad you're here.

Britt: 0:23

We're coming to you from beautiful Ojai, California, where we just moved. Well, I guess it's been about three weeks. We're just getting settled in. The weather

David: 0:31

is fine.

Britt: 0:32

We're meeting people, having a great

David: 0:34

time. Yeah, it's awesome.

Lindsey: 0:36

Feeling creative, feeling really glad that we don't have a flight anywhere. Yeah, kind of. There's also like this slight itch to go somewhere else, but I don't know what that is. Yeah, it's like both and. Yeah. We're still figuring things out. Yeah, there's so much to figure out, as everyone can probably guess, when you move to a new place, and you do it after a long journey, and you're, it's not like we were like, oh, we're going here, and here we pack our U Haul, and we get a job first, and then we go. We did the last thing first. We got to the place.

David: 1:13

Yeah. And then

Lindsey: 1:14

we have, and then we figure out all the steps. Yeah. So we're doing it in a reverse order. We're, um, we're doing, we're moving memento style. Oh yeah.

David: 1:24

The end happened first. Good movie. Gonna have to rewatch

Lindsey: 1:27

that now. I don't think I've ever seen it. But I know it's backwards. You

Britt: 1:31

know all about it. It's

Lindsey: 1:32

backwards. I remember the other movie where the guy stares at the sun. What is that movie called? Oh my gosh, no. The Darren Aronofsky

Britt: 1:41

movie. Don't know. Oh, Pie.

Lindsey: 1:46

No, that's American Pie. I was thinking of American Pie. Anyway, sorry guys. And yeah, so we're in the next phase of our journey. Completely. It's brand new starting over.

Britt: 1:57

And do you know who's been

David: 1:58

with us the whole way?

Lindsey: 2:00

Our guest today, David Petrusich, has been on this journey with us since the beginning. I had a psychic reading with him last November, right when we got to Baja. Like, maybe a week after we got there. Which was our

2:16

first

David: 2:16

stop when we decided to sell everything and just travel. Yeah,

Lindsey: 2:19

and I was in this real state of like, Um, what happens now and just like feeling confused because we're diving into this adventure and then immediately after that reading, I just felt so much more clear and I told you about it and you were super interested. That's right. So then you had a reading with

David: 2:40

him. Uh huh. And it's same thing. I felt super clear afterwards. Yeah. And I, I was coming from.

Britt: 2:48

More of a skeptical seat than you were. I mean, I was still open and I talk about it in the episode How you know a lot of my life I've been kind of closed off to certain things But right now in the this whole trip in general, I've been feeling very open to anything I've like made it a point to be as open as possible to everything and that's really transformed my life So just hearing it for the from the second we started I was already feeling like this is good. This

David: 3:14

is real This is comfortable Yeah, that's that says a lot, especially for from a skeptic, you know,

Lindsey: 3:20

right? I agree. So that was the beginning of our trip. Then just a couple months ago or a month ago, even maybe at what was the end of our trip. I was feeling a lot of uncertainty, not knowing what was going to happen next. So I booked a session with David and that's when we were in Australia. I was not knowing that it

David: 3:39

was the end of our trip

Lindsey: 3:40

either. Exactly. And that kind of like came through in the reading. that it was time, you were feeling this pull to like, let's go back, let's settle. And I was just feeling like maybe we should keep going, just really not sure. And just the clarity again there of like, surrender and let your partner lead felt so good. And it

David: 4:04

ended up being the right decision. Absolutely. Yeah. As far as we

Britt: 4:07

know. We're still working it out. But it feels

David: 4:10

like the right decision. Yeah.

Lindsey: 4:11

I mean, that's kind of the, the thing about working with psychism is you could right or wrong all day long. It's just information that then you are going to use and alchemize.

David: 4:22

So, David is an evidential psychic medium, an

Britt: 4:25

astrologer, esoteric teacher, and an artist. For 10 years, David has worked with individuals and communities to help normalize psychism and connect deeper with the spirit world. In addition to training with some of the world's best mediums, David has also extensively trained in yogic science and has been a student of astrology for over 20

Lindsey: 4:46

years. David offers one on one readings with clients, and he also does private mentorship or group workshops to help you develop and deepen your own psychic abilities. I did a private mentorship with David a few months ago, and he teaches in a really grounded and relatable way that helped me facilitate. and own my own gifts that then I bring to a somatic session or a sound healing session, and it just makes the healing that much deeper. So he's an incredible teacher. And David has an awesome group workshop coming up starting in late September. It's called Psychic AS3, and it's for Intermediate psychic and media mystic reading skills. So it's an excellent opportunity to learn from David and a small group of people to strengthen your own psychic abilities because we all have them. And you're going to hear a lot about it in the episode that David says we all have them. It's just. Learning to tune in, find out more information and sign up for his course. Psychic AF3 at his website, alchemy by David, follow him on Instagram. He's also on Tik TOK. You can find all of these links in the show notes. We have a really exciting giveaway that we're doing with David. One lucky winner will get a completely free Sidel chart and annual transits astrology reading from him. All you have to do to enter is go to Instagram, follow David Petruic and can we start over pod then sign up for David's email list and then can we start over email list once you've completed those four steps. Send can we start over pod a DM on Instagram with the word giveaway. You're entered to win and we'll be announcing the winner on August 25th. So get your entries in. I'm

David: 6:37

super excited

Britt: 6:37

about this episode. It's so funny and fun.

David: 6:40

It was a great one. Yeah, let's just get right into it. Let's

Lindsey: 6:42

do it. Tell us. about how you've started over and when that was. What did that look like for you?

David: 6:52

Yeah, I've started over a few times in life. I feel like we all do, right? But, um, the most recent or I guess the most profound was, uh, in January of 2020. So, a few months. Right before the world slowed down and everything got weird, um, I worked in the beauty industry for, you know, almost 15 years at that time. I started out as a makeup artist. I actually started out as a shampoo boy and, um, an receptionist, but, uh, eventually I climbed the corporate ladder and got pretty close to the top, uh, was a pretty big clean beauty pioneer in the U. S. And, um, I always knew that that Brand was my last sphere in that industry, my last step, but I thought I'd be there a little bit longer and right at the end of 2019, just as my Saturn return finished in my 10th house, which, uh, if you're listening and you don't know what that is, it's the career sector of your chart. Um, I left that industry and that industry left me. And, um, I didn't, you know, have all the money I needed saved, or that my mind thought I wanted. I was walking away from a lot of, uh, what now is, was, what now I look at as, uh, false security. I was walking away from a lot of financial material things, and I started way the F over. Um, And I had no idea what was ahead of me in 2020, I just knew I was supposed to follow my heart, and my heart was telling me to start my practice full time, after doing it as a side hustle for years and years and years, and uh, you know. Not to get like too, too deep in it. I don't know how far, how much you guys want to know, but there was, uh, there was so much stress as I was deciding to leave that industry and leave that job. And, um, I left on the last day of the year. And because I was a director and I had over 20 direct reports and, pretty much ran part of a company. I had to keep a lot inside. And the first of the year, on January 1st of 2020, when I actually could just be myself, I broke down in the hallway right behind me, and I just let it all out. And I was crying, and I was shaking, I was so afraid. And my partner was just like, I got you. You're not alone in this. You need to trust yourself. You need to do this. And that month, I set out to do readings full time, and I made my rent in three weeks. The first time ever. And that, for me, was enough. I was like, wait a minute. I just did that. I have the clientele here already. you know, I'm meant to do it. And then it slowly took shape and I started way over. Um, I was a month or two into that and I was like, I'll never go back. I'll never go back to the world. Um, so it's grown since then. But, uh, yeah, you know, it was kind of in it. Well, it was very much in tandem with, uh, kind of eras that we were going through on earth. Uh, just as I decided to do that full time, there was a lot of people that started using Zoom every day. So me being a, a reader and a teacher that meets online and didn't have an office or, you know, a studio I was practicing in, all of a sudden that worked for my practice. It became really normal. And a lot of people were looking for guidance at that time. So it. Felt very destined in a way. Yeah,

Britt: 10:25

it's amazing how things can just fall into place when you let them, when you're open

David: 10:30

to them.

Lindsey: 10:31

Yeah, yeah, not trying to hold it all together, which we're so conditioned to do. Yeah. So what does your practice look like? What does it entail? And maybe starting there with in 2020 and what does it look like now?

David: 10:51

Yeah. So for, um, you know, for 10 years now, I've been giving readings. So I used to give them really casually. I started giving tarot readings about over 10 years ago now. And we'd just give that to friends. Um, you know, at the time I was in the beauty industry, so I was kind of a little bit of the witchy brand rep. I would come into someone's store. I'd bring my tarot cards on a lunch break. You know, after you were done doing makeup for clients, I'd maybe read your cards, look at your chart. Um, so it was casual. And then that, uh, casual, uh, vibe kind of changed when I started realizing I could really help people and started hearing spirits, started not needing the cards to read. And didn't really know what all that meant. So eventually I ended up giving psychic readings without cards and I would do it on the side, very part time when I had energy and capacity. And then when 2020 came, I just started giving readings full time and I. just started reading what I, what I knew. I started giving psychic readings. Um, eventually, pretty quickly, people were wanting, you know, to mentor with me. People were wanting to learn how to meditate. People were wanting to learn how to access their own psychic senses, speak with their own guides. And then those two things just started growing. Um, eventually, I ended up finally giving professional astrology readings after studying it for like almost two decades at that time in 2020. Um, and then mediumship, I started giving those types of readings too. So now in 2023, I do a private mentoring. I still give psychic readings, give mediumship readings, astrology readings, and um, yeah, teach classes around the year. So, it's, it's fun. Amazing. It's cool to see it grow in three years. Yeah,

Lindsey: 12:40

yeah. And I love the way that you teach. So, I am privately mentoring with David right now. And it's amazing. And I love the way that you teach that it, that these practices are so, are actually accessible. So, it really just takes what can be Accessible today. perceived as this like gatekeepy kind of thing. Like, I know how to do this practice. And you kind of flip it on its head and say, I'm sure you're not the only one that's teaching that way. But that's been my kind of first experience with like, you can learn how to do this. It's beautiful. Yeah. It just really opens the door. And obviously it's not, um, It's not a challenge to your service or business. If anything, I'm sure it's just helping it to thrive more the more you mentor people. Would you say that's true?

David: 13:38

Yeah, you mean, um, do you mean in terms of like, uh, readings and whatnot or in what perspective you

Lindsey: 13:45

mean? Readings or it's not like you're gonna, you're, when you mentor people, then they then there's less client base for you. That kind of idea where people can get gatekeepy with their totally with any kind of skill or practice, because there can be like a lack idea somewhere in there. But I'm assuming it seems like the more you are working with people in different ways, so either readings or mentoring or classes, it's actually just growing. All of your services.

David: 14:15

It has been. Yeah, I mean, for a long time, people found out about me, uh, via word of mouth. And still, I would say that's the main way. Whenever anybody is on Zoom with me for the first time, and they have a reading, I'm like, how'd you hear about me? You know, I'm always so curious. And, um, You know, I feel like the mentor archetype falls into shadow when they view themselves as the source, as the wellspring, because the mentor in their highest form is meant to be the in between, the bridge, whether they're in between the querent and the student and the knowledge, or, uh, the querent, the student, the seeker, and spirit, or whatever it is, and it, it's meant to be a temporary bridge, you know? So... I love when I work with somebody and they grow from them working with themselves, right? And them doing the actual work. I can't do it for them. I can give them some guidance, but I can't do it. And I love when I see them spread their wings, you know? And same, like, uh, you bring up kind of an interesting point with readings, which is a, conversation I have a lot with students who are wanting to learn how to give psychic and medium readings, um, is when somebody comes back for readings too much, you know, like if I see a client for readings more than three times in a year, I definitely let them know. I say, you really should only have like one reading a season, Max, in my opinion, because what I've noticed. Um, even in myself as someone going out and getting readings in my youth and trying to make sense of it all and, and chasing the magic and the, the mystery and the synchronicities or seeing clients now in my, uh, practice is that, um, people can get really attached to the readings and then you can lose your own agency. Right. Right. So it's, it's important I think as a reader to navigate that and to identify when a client or a student. you know, is um, maybe not coming to the right fountain. You're not the right source, the right, the right spring at that time. You got to redirect them,

Lindsey: 16:25

you know. Yeah. It's like re tapping into that trust, which is what it's all about, right? Yeah. It's what we're ultimately learning. Britt had a reading. We've, we've each had readings with you and they're amazing. And It's been a few months, but I want, I kind of want to hear from Brit's perspective, what, what your experience was.

Britt: 16:48

My experience was great. I would say at this point in my life, uh, this isn't about me, but to make it short, I'm, I think more open to anything right now in my life than I've ever been. I feel like in the past, I've been very shut off to lots of different things. So I didn't go in a skeptic, but I, I come from a background of skepticism,

David: 17:08

basically. Totally. Um, but when I came in... a skeptic. Oh yeah, absolutely,

Britt: 17:14

yeah. I mean, I was into aliens and shit, but you know, Bigfoot, things like that, the real stuff, the real stuff. But, uh, yeah, so I, I came in open and it really blew my mind. There was so much that made sense. And especially, and you mentioned this when we first started, you were like, some of this isn't going to make sense now, but. And, you know, in the future, this is going to like, start to make sense. And a lot of it did kind of trickle down that way. But there was a lot just immediately in the reading. Um, I guess one example you were, you were saying that you were sensing, uh, what ended up being my grandma. Um, an older lady, the one thing that really got me, you're like, I see she's making pasta like from scratch. And I've never told anyone that, but the only person I've ever seen make pasta from scratch was my grandmother. And she only did it once. It wasn't like a thing she did. She's not Italian. She just like. Made some pasta once. I was like, that's amazing. I didn't know that you could just do that. You know, I'm used to eating spam and you know, just complete bullshit. I grew up on spam too. Exactly. And like, I'm like, I didn't know you could do that. Uh, but so that's why that always stuck in my head. I was like, how the fuck, how is she doing that? And it always stuck in my head and I never talked about it. And I was like, wow. Yeah, that makes sense. And then you mentioned that you thought it was my, my dad's mom. And I was like, yeah, that's true. And then she died in the nineties. That was true. There was a lot of coughing involved. Yeah. She had lung cancer. Like all of this. It was just like, wow. I'm like, I'm fully in now. And that was just one thing. A lot of stuff came up. Uh, a family member's health ended up being a very, uh, a thing. Yeah. Something had happened after we talked that made sense to me. Hopefully they're okay. Yeah, doing good. Another thing you told me that was to not expect money to come the way that I expected it to. Maybe just be aware of Money maybe not coming in the way that I thought it was going to and about a month after we talked We had plans to go back to Dallas where we're from and do some work All of the work fell through pretty much all of the work and I was like, oh But oh, it's fine though because you were like

David: 19:34

stay open. It's gonna come another way

Britt: 19:37

Yeah a little bit and in the I mean, it's I'm not worried about it You know what? I mean, like there there are things in motion What I thought was so concrete, I was like, I'm gonna go home and make this money. Like this is set up, I'm doing this. And in two different things fell through. I thought were concrete and

David: 19:54

I was like, damn. So anyway, Well, I didn't just a little bit see that. And your grandma who, who's Megan? Boston. The spirit world knew it. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Lindsey: 20:08

Can I ask Britt? So how did that. How did you feel that was helpful having this information from this reading with David? How did that help you when it didn't work out the way you thought it was going to? I

Britt: 20:22

didn't freak out because at that point, like, I had had the reading and I was like, this isn't bullshit. You know what I mean? Like, I can, I can trust, like, I feel like I trust him or what he's saying that I didn't freak out. When it didn't work out, I was like, you know what, I kind of knew this wasn't going to work out, you know, I don't, I don't have to be worried

David: 20:43

about this. So

Lindsey: 20:44

that leads me, okay, so that leads me to wonder, what do you tell David? What do you tell beginners going in or what do you want them to know for like someone who's experiencing a first time reading?

David: 20:59

That's a really good question. And what I want to say too, is like, I'm so glad the reading with me was positive, especially someone who was a skeptic. Um, there is a part of me as a practitioner, like I actually love reading for skeptics, not to prove anything and not for my ego, but. I really love usually what happens when a skeptic or a former skeptic comes to a reading is usually there's a lot of kind of like mind shifting information that comes through because the spirit world is super intelligent, right? There is no living person who understands the spirit world fully in its totality. There's a lot of mystery to it. And whether that was your grandma on your dad's side the whole time who was maybe navigating the reading, which probably it's very possible. Um, or, you know, maybe a collective group or some type of entity consciousness that's associated to you and loves you and was guiding you. There was something there that was talking to me, the medium, the in between, the telephone, and knew more than we did. at that time. And, um, you know, even if you think of it, and this is how I, I, um, explain the mechanics of reading to students a lot, is think of it. What if your, what if your grandma or what if your guides at that time said that your work in the future was going to fall through? I don't know you that well, but how would you maybe react in that moment to that? I don't, I don't know you well enough, but How would you react with that? Uh, from hearing that from like, And I'm feeling that all your work's going to fall through.

Britt: 22:36

Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know. It didn't bother me the way it

David: 22:41

came through. But in the moment?

Britt: 22:43

Yeah. Well, I mean, at that point, I was like, I felt like I was fully in. And I was like, you, you were like, don't worry about it. But it's not going to come the way, so I felt, I don't know, it felt

David: 22:55

reassuring. Felt reassuring. Yeah. And I rarely ever remember what comes through in a reading. Like, the only thing I remember, even before we started recording, I was like, oh yeah, I remember, like, he had a grandma come through. And then when you're talking about the pasta, that sounds familiar. Because I make homemade pasta. And I remember being like, oh, what's up, girl? Like, we're, we're both making pasta. But, um. You know, I don't remember how I said it about the money not coming from where you expected it, but hearing that that's how, you know, your guides delivered it to me versus like, tell him his work's going to fall through. Like they give it, to the reader in a way where it will empower the receiver, you, right? It won't cause anxiety or fear. Right. I think if I was receiving a reading and somebody told me that my work that I was planning I was going to quote, fall through, I'd be like, what? But if somebody was like, money's going to come from a different place, then I'd show up at that moment and I'd be like, okay, actually, yeah, I knew that. So I'm, um, I'm glad that experience was, was good. That makes me happy. Um, and for people who have never, like, received a reading before or ever had one, it's so important to feel connected to your reader. I mean, that's, that's kind of a generic thing to say, but I really mean that. Um, even when, like, well established regulars or friends in my life want to buy a gift certificate for one of their loved ones, I always say, thank you for considering me for your loved one. But like, Will they, would they naturally book with me? Right? It's very important to feel that connection, um, you know, on not just a surface way and how, what's the identity or vibe, which I think that's an important, I'm definitely going to choose a reader that I vibe with, and I like their vibe, but how do, how does their voice sound to you? You know, does their voice, as you hear it, give you calm? Does it give you ease? Is there, is there something in their essence, in their energy that you connect with? Um, there are a lot of readers out there, well, I'll hear their voice and it doesn't make me calm or it doesn't pull me in, but to a friend or a family member, maybe it does. We all are different. Um, You know, all our hearts play a different song, so you need to connect with someone who's similar. And, um, just do your research. Unfortunately, through hundreds and thousands of years, because let's be real, being a seer is one of the oldest jobs on earth, right? It is one of the oldest jobs on earth, and through many, many, many years there, there have absolutely been con artists in this line of work. Um, you know, That's why the general public, for a very long time, maybe until the last five years, has kind of looked at this as taboo or not real. Um, so do your research. The con artists are still out there, baby. So you gotta make sure that person has testimonials. Are they using their full name? You know, do they have their work, uh, published up? Are there recordings of them reading? You know, a lot of modern practitioners will, will do that now. And, um... I guess lastly, just before you ever get any type of reading, especially if it's your first time, try to not have expectations. I think that's just like a rule for life. Old me used to have great expectations about everything, and like new me the last few years is trying, it's like a daily thing, so I get it. But, um, You know, there are some readings that have those miracle moments. There are some of those readings that defy the belief systems in your mind. And then there are going to be some readings that maybe feel a little bit just more reaffirming or validating. It depends where you're at in life. So those are the three things I would say, is that kind of answer?

Lindsey: 26:48

Yeah. I think it's very helpful. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, and it, and also it just kind of goes back and doubles down for me that like this psychism mediumship, these modalities can be for everyone.

David: 27:04

Yeah. I mean, I love that. You keep saying that. Yeah, they are. It

Lindsey: 27:06

really can be for everyone. Obviously you would want to be, there's, I guess maybe that's not exactly true. Some people are just never going to be into it, but I think the way, again, the way you offer. The knowledge. Yeah, it just feels like now you are going to take this as the client and do with it what you're going to do with it, just like reading a book or watching a workshop or anything. It's just like that. So we're filtering it through our own human And otherworldly or whatever experience to use it, to integrate it. Yeah. Yeah.

David: 27:47

Yeah. Agency is important when you go see a meeting. Yeah.

Lindsey: 27:52

So since we talk a lot about starting over and a lot of our listeners are interested in some level about starting over, I would love to know your tips for what you would tell people that want to start tapping into their own intuition. They want to cultivate that inner knowing. So that they can be felt, feel guided, but from within when they want to make a big change.

David: 28:20

Yeah, I mean a lot of the people I work with, I would say maybe 30 or 40% of the time I'm working with someone who's at a starting over phase. Right, especially if it's a reading. Um, You know, our intuition is the loudest during those times. So that's just the fact. Like your, your vibes, your intuition, your, your spirit, your heart, whatever we want to call it. Um, it is very loud during those times. That's how that intelligence works. And I think when people are wanting to trust their intuition more or build it more, um, When it gets a little quiet, or it's not so profound, or it's not syncing up with the external synchronicities, and the, whatever, the f ing angel numbers, or whatever you're pouring your awareness into, and it represents some type of sign or message to you, um, they're, they're like, oh, is it gone? Um, and... You know, intuition, psychism, um, somebody's mediumistic capacity, these are very fluid, uh, faculties, right? So they're, they're never the same. Um, they are never ever the same. They're always in flux. They're always shifting. But what I always tell people is probably what a lot of the listeners are, they probably know what I'm going to say. It really starts in your body. Um, A lot of people think intuition and psychism is something external and out of reach. The majority of it, the foundation of it, is inside you. It's in your body, it's in your physiology, it's in your nervous system, it's in your cells, it's listening to yourself. And a lot of us are very heady. You know, I woke up today, and I woke up yesterday, and the day before that, and I've just been having a really heady weekend. It's been excited headiness, right, um, instead of, uh, anxious headiness, which I absolutely occur, or, um, experience sometimes, or angry headiness, but we are heady creatures. We're human. We have this organ. And really, when you're starting to work with your intuition and guide yourself, if you can do any type of practice that gets you into your body, that slows you down, your body has a lot to say to you. Your body is psychic AF. So that's the starting point, and I'll kind of save it at there. Save it at that point. Yeah,

Lindsey: 30:44

that's amazing, yeah. And then, When people are having these big changes, I'm really interested in how you see trusting the flow of life. Like, how do you Teach people to do that, or how do you do that yourself? Because there's just this, I, I see, I notice that like with manifestation or practices like that, it can come out almost like I'm controlling the outcome. Oh yeah. You know, and what's so much more interesting to me is, and probably because I like, also still, hey, like, I'm trying to control things all the time, you know?

David: 31:31

Yeah, same. Yeah.

Lindsey: 31:33

Also, that's a human characteristic, right? We want to be safe. We want to be alive. And what I, what I personally needed to learn was to like, let go a little bit and let and trust that flow. Trust that life is going to take me where I'm supposed to go when I am not trying to force it. So, how would you say those two things are different? What does, what does that trust feel like in your body? And maybe what does it sound like? What does it

David: 32:12

look like? Well, I think when we're wanting to work with trust, right, we are going to brush up against the truth of things at times, right? And I always say that truth is a force that is felt, not thought. You feel truth. In your body, you feel it in your energy, and even if you're not someone who maybe sits with your aura, or I don't know, maybe you don't do a yin yoga pose all the time, or you don't meditate or whatnot, you, you still can tune into your energy, you know, it doesn't matter what you're doing, it's a feeling, it's a force, and that trust, um, is following that feeling, and trust effing hard. Um, I think if you asked me 10 years ago or 15 years ago, I'd have a different outlook on it. As a psychic and a medium, my job every day is to show up and get quiet in myself and listen with all of my awareness and trust that what I'm saying about grandma making pasta isn't bullshit and hope that it resonates, right? So I've learned a lot with that from that practice, but that doesn't mean that when the psychic switch is off and I'm off the clock and me and my partner in an argument because we're human or I'm dealing with feelings of jealousy or fear or anxiety because I'm human. that I don't have my moments where I don't trust, but with force and flowing, I mean, we need both. Um, I think because a lot of us in the modern world lean on forcing, we need to embrace modalities and practices and ways of life that allow us to flow more. But something interesting in the Ponder is, you know, I left the corporate world, uh, over three years ago now. I had to force, I had to move. I had to definitely be like the magician in tarot. Um, there was a lot that I had to use. Uh, I had to use a lot of my masculine energy, my young energy. Right? When I left that world and I had no idea what I was doing, I was in an era where I had to learn how to flow, I had to be in my yin, I had to receive, I had to trust. But after a while, that flowiness kind of became my mode of operation. And at one point last year, I was like, Oh, I've been flowing too much. Oh, shit. I hope I can cuss on here. Sorry. Um, I was like, Oh, I've been, I've been, I've been flowing too much. Oh, I need to force a little. Oh, I need to shape. Oh, I need to have some momentum. Right? So it's different. I think we have that conversation a lot in, um, the spiritual community and in the metaphysical spheres because most of us are looking for the flow. But, um, It's balance in my eyes, you know, and certain, you know, when I'm at the grocery store, there are some days when I like to go in there and flow like, yeah, if I have like 50 minutes, I'll just flow around the store. Oh, how lovely. Oh, I've never seen this sugar. Well, sure. Oh, I've never had this. And then other days I go in that grocery store and it's like seven minutes forceful on a mission. Right? So different, different times call for different energies, you know?

Lindsey: 35:43

That's amazing. Yeah. So perfect. Yeah. You need

David: 35:46

both. Yeah. So I think when I work with folks, it's I, I try to, um, from my perspective, see what's needed. Um, you know, it's, it's interesting, like from an astrological perspective, someone, for example, with like a bunch of Aries in their chart, um, who I read for a few weeks ago, their mode of operation is force. They are always head first, very forward momentum, right? And that person needs the relaxation, the trust, the slowdown, the weight that's hard for them. Um, someone like me, I got a bunch of Taurus, I got some Libra in there. I have all the kind of feminine, flowy things. So I might need a little bit more of that forceful, all different. Yeah.

Lindsey: 36:33

Yeah, that's great. What a great way to put it. Dipping into astrology and specifically sidereal astrology, what are some of those basics and we can come at it from the standpoint of, yeah, maybe when you need a little more force or a little more flow. But how do people use astrology simply as like a guidebook for their experience?

David: 37:02

Yeah. I think remembering exactly the way you worded it, that it is a guidebook, that it is not a rulebook. And that's what I see happening more and more, and I've definitely done it. I think what's happened with modern astrology is that we really look at it as personality and as this, like, very concrete, defining tool. Astrology tells me that my son is in Taurus in the third house, and according to astrology, that means X, Y, and Z. So now I am just X, Y, and Z. And if anybody tries to challenge that or brush up against it, or maybe my X, Y, and Z Taurus sun third house causes harm or friction, well, I'm just a Taurus sun in the third house. Sorry. You know, I, I hear that a lot. I see that a lot. I've done that. Um, so it's a guidebook. And no matter what style, um, or like school of astrology that one is using, because there are many different. ways to use astrology. It's one of the most widely interpreted occult sciences out there. Um, we have to remember astrology is a divination system. It's meant to interpret energy and divine some type of information, right? And it can be a mirror for your personality. It can be a compass. Um, but it is just a guidebook, I feel. Yeah. What are the

Lindsey: 38:33

key differences, maybe this is too big of a question for this short amount of time, between what you use, sidereal astrology, and standard, I don't even know what it's called astrology. Tropical. Tropical, thank you. Yeah.

David: 38:50

Yeah, um, you know, as, as an astrologer, that was a way I started over, um, because I, I studied tropical astrology for almost 20 years and, uh, I did not know that mainstream tropical astrology did not use the real sky. And a lot of people don't know this. I have met professional astrologers that do not know this. And when I found out that tropical, what we call tropical astrology, or if you are in the Western world, it's just 98% of mainstream of all the, all the astrology that you're working with. Um, when I found out that it's not actually using space, I felt really conned. I was like, what the fuck are you talking about? It's astrology, man. It's the planets and stars. It hasn't used astronomy in 2, 000 years. So sidereal astrology isn't necessarily like a school of astrology. It just means that a sidereal astrologer is using a different measurement than the mainstream. So we are actually using astronomical measurement. And when I think about astrology. Well, astrology and astronomers used to be the same thing a long time ago. There wasn't a separation. It wasn't until science started developing that those things broke off from each other. And astrologers used to use the real sky. So why aren't we anymore? So a sidereal astrologer, uh, you know, when I look up at the full moon and, uh, mainstream astrology says it's in Capricorn, let's say, when I look up at the full moon, I'm going to actually look at the constellation, it's. it's actually in. And that's typically going to be a whole sign backwards in sidereal astronomy. So I would see the full moon in Sagittarius typically. Yeah, it's the easiest way I can kind of, um, differentiate them. Yeah.

Lindsey: 40:47

So when you started practicing with sidereal, Did, I mean, did it like rub up against your knowledge? Did it? Yeah. And does it do that when you give readings to people or they're already into it

David: 41:02

or? Yeah, sometimes. I feel like when, so when somebody books, uh, astrology, reading with me specifically, um, you know, 90% of the time they, they know what's happening. They're curious about hearing their chart from another perspective. Um, I read for a lot of different types of people with psychism and mediumship, but most of the people I end up Uh, reading for a sidereal, uh, astrology are like astro enthusiasts, people who know their chart really well. And they're like, I just want to, I want to hear your take on it. And we always have such a fun time because, um, it does rub up how they see themselves. And you know, the Aquarius in me challenges that I'm like, you're all the signs, baby. And let's talk about it. When I started working with mine, um, Because your chart moves back, and if you've, if you work with astrology, you'll, you'll know what I mean by this a little bit. You're, when you switch to sidereal, your whole chart moves back 24 degrees in each sign. So, your houses don't change, and where your planets are doesn't change, but it's the sign that they're in that changes. Because what I'm doing is I'm working with the ecliptic, which is the path of the sun, where all the constellations are in the sky, which is what the zodiac is derived from, right? So the 12 zodiac signs are derived from that. But um, When you switch that, I mean, yeah, things change and, um, often when someone's like, like, let's say my partner, uh, who's a mainstream tropical Leo, he's born in early August, well, guess what? That Leo becomes a cancer inside Ariel. You do not tell a Leo they're a fucking cancer. Right? Um, but I have. But here's the thing. What's, um, many times we talk about it once a week. Um, what's interesting. though, let's say someone like my partner, his son is no longer a Leo, his rising becomes Leo and sidereal, right? Or maybe another person, their Venus or their Mercury, you're gonna have another important aspect in astrology that's still in that sign. And often, most of the time, A lot of people say their sidereal chart makes more sense, but it's not that sidereal or tropical one is better than the other. That, that's, that's bullshit. They're both valid. They are divination systems. So you have to trust whatever system you're using, whether it's sidereal, tropical, whether you're looking into geotish and Vedic astrology, you're doing Hellenistic astrology, whatever it is, you have to trust in your oracle. And know that those messages are always going to find you. If I'm 13 years old and I'm reading my tropical chart on the internet, uh, you know, way back when, those messages met me then, right? Same thing when Astrologer wrote my first chart when I was 18. Those were profound then. Same thing when I started working with my sidereal chart. It met me at that time. So, It's just like, you're going to pull a deck from one, or you're going to pull a card from one tarot deck in 2008. You're going to pull another card from a different deck in 2038. Both of those messages come from different decks, and they're going to be different cards, but they'll meet you, right? It's divination. It's not personality. And that's, uh... I think we have to remember that with astrology. Everyone looks at it like personality.

Lindsey: 44:38

Yeah. And so what, when you say that it's divination, tell, explain that a little bit for me. Yeah.

David: 44:45

Yeah. So, you know, divination would, a classic example would be like cardimancy, working with cards. So whether those are tarot cards or oracle cards, Or maybe you're working with a pendulum. Maybe you're working with runes, right? There's so many different ways to do divination work. Divination is you working with some type of system and that system providing a message or clarity, right? Psychic reading is a form of divination. It's just an immaterial form. You're not working with cards or whatnot. And astrology is the same. That's one of the biggest things I try to educate on because a lot of people, they don't look at astrology as a divination system. They look at it as like Meyer Briggs or Enneagram or, you know, one of those personality things. It can work like that, but that's not it's, that's not what it started as, you know?

Lindsey: 45:45

Yeah. What a beautiful way to, to like uniquely describe the way we can

David: 45:51

use it. Yeah, just think of your chart like a tarot deck. So every time you look at your chart, that you're going to pull out a different card. Like your chart is full of shit. It is not just those seven to nine planets. I mean, there are astrological softwares out there that show the stars and the houses or the asteroids. So there's a lot you could journey into over time. It's, it's cool. It's a cool form of self study. I was looking up Enneagram. Oh yeah. Because

Britt: 46:23

that came, that came up at work like all the time. I'm a photographer and on set you, you can relate to this being in like, yeah, we had a lot of makeup artists into Enneagram. So it popped into my head and I looked that up and I wanted to ask you what your

David: 46:36

thoughts are on Enneagram. I think it's a legit system. Have you, do you know your numbers in it? Have you ever used it? I've looked it

Britt: 46:44

up like three times and I forget because I'm

David: 46:47

always, I'm like, am I

Britt: 46:48

that or am I another one? And I feel like a lot of my friends are the same way too. Like, I don't know. I'm feeling more like a three. I thought I was a four, but like. Pretty sure I'm a three. And then that's why I was like, eh, if I can't, if I don't know, I don't, I'm just going to waste all my time going back and forth wondering what I really am and then not actually getting the message.

Lindsey: 47:07

That's funny. I will. I'm probably one of those people that said that to you because I definitely was a three. And I can see that. Yeah. And then later was maybe. Four or seven. Now I can't exactly remember. Um, but I do think it's really interesting. Yeah, I like every cycle I'll do

David: 47:26

it and maybe

Britt: 47:26

now is is the time to do it's, that's interesting now. Mm-hmm. I'm feeling more open and

David: 47:30

interested. Yeah, it's good in the workplace too. Um, makes I used, it makes sense with my teams in the past and it, um, you know, it's fascinating'cause I do think our number can change through time and life. Um, but everyone has like a wing number. So it's funny because you guys kept mentioning threes and fours, so I'm a four with a wing three. Um, so my three is like my mask, like on a podcast, I'm, I'm more of a three. But at home, I'm going to be a little bit more of a four. Um, but I find it fascinating. My partner is actually the same one, um, which is interesting. Yeah. Wow. I could see it as a three for sure. Yeah, yeah. And a lot of times,

Lindsey: 48:14

the mask thing makes sense too.

David: 48:16

Mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah, so as a three, you might swing, you might have a swing as a two or a swing as a four, you might swing up or down. And then Brit, for folks who are like, which one am I? I have a friend who's like that. And then they found out they were a nine, which a nine is like the number that kind of takes the tip of the iceberg of all of them. So they have a hard time sometimes placing themselves, but maybe read Enneagram 9 and see if it resonates. I was told by a friend many years ago that you're supposed to read all of them in totality and the one that makes you feel the most shame is the one that you are. Oh. Like the one that tracks. Oh, fuck. Yeah, the one

Lindsey: 48:58

that's like, oh, that feels a little embarrassing. That actually makes a lot of sense. Yeah. Yeah. Cause the test can be like, if you've been working hard on something for a month, then you're going to like hit three a little bit more, you know, you're like in that zone. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If you're like in the zone, you're going to be a three. But if you've been like making pies for a month, it's going to be different. Yeah. So how, how can we use astrology systems? To start over or again with these big changes in life or when we're faced with, uh, maybe like just some big leap that we want to take without getting hooked into these like doom and gloom and like fear that can be kind of stirred up around astrology.

David: 49:50

Yeah, and there's so much of that. I feel like you go on TikTok or YouTube and there's a lot of, uh, fear baiting because fear sells. And a lot of these creators and voices, they create like this very fear mongering type of conversation with that. You know, um, astrology, like you said, is a guidebook and it can be a road map. When we're kind of talking about these conversations of starting over and like flow or force or whatnot, there's a point in everyone's chart called their North Node. And the North Node represents, from an astrological perspective, the symbolic destiny. Right? It's symbolic, uh, trajectory that a soul is supposed to walk into in this lifetime. So it represents symbolically in astrology all the things that a soul has not learned yet. And the North Node always has a South Node, and it's always in the exact opposite house and in the exact opposite sign. And that represents, uh, somebody's karmic past, literally what they were doing in other lives, right? What those lives entailed, um, Or without kind of the perception of, um, or lens of reincarnation, what a soul really knows, what they've learned, what they've mastered. And at those kind of crossroads moments or at those starting over moments, um, those scary moments, that north node is like your north star. Um, when I used to work with my tropical chart. Um, my North Node was in, or it is in Pisces, and my South Node is Virgo. And North Node Pisces is the path of the mystic, and South Node Virgo is like the person who knows how to put everything together, knows how to build it, knows how to do business well. And at the time, Six years ago, that meant a lot to me. I was like, Oh, I need to follow this North node Pisces, but literally we're talking about force and form or like force and flow. And that South node Virgo is very forceful. It knows how to form. It knows how to shape. The North Node Pisces is all about surrender, flow, trust. And um, I followed that. Every time I followed that, things opened up. And now it's the same. I work with my Sidereal one, which is a North Node Aquarius, South Node Leo. And um, I notice the moments where I can be in my South Node Leo comfort zone versus my North Node Aquarius uncomfortable zone. But it is the uncomfortable zone that we expand the most. And that we grow the most. So, long story short, I've, um, introduced a lot of people to their North and their South nodes. You don't need me to do it. You could Google this and find it as long as you have your birth information. And, um, just see, read about your North node. Does it bring up discomfort? Does it sound scary? Does it seem like something like, oh my god, I don't want to do it. Because if it does, it's what you got to do. It's the magic. It's the alchemy. And, um. That's my favorite point to guide people to when they're in times of transition. It's as if you follow that archetype, it will lead you. Oh, wow. Hmm.

Lindsey: 53:04

Yeah. That's such good advice. Yeah. Do you know yours? I don't remember. I can never remember the like, yeah, there's a lot to remember more in depth parts of my chart. I'm not sure. Yeah. I'm so curious. I'm gonna look it up when we're done. Yeah. Yeah. Um, but that, it also reminds me of like, like thinking about the like, Bad placement or even like, um, like astrological, like sticky times in life when we're doing what we're doing, like, we don't know where we're going to be next, you know, in two months. And so it's funny to see that it's not it's it's funny to see actually it like trigger a shadow or something in me where I'll like hear about a current Astrology. Transit. Placement. Yeah. Yeah. Transit. Yeah. And then I'll be like, oh, like, like we're flying on, on the ninth and it's whatever the last day of mercury retrograde and it's fine. Like I, again, I don't, um, I'd rather not prescribe to the, like, doom and gloom, but it's just funny to see those kind of things where I can notice myself being like, oh, get a little nervous,

David: 54:24

you know? Yeah. Yeah. Well, and here's the thing. Like, any, um, any self help system, you know, right, or, uh, divination system, any tool, a spiritual tool, is supposed to expand. Right? So when you hear an astrologer or, I don't know, any source of information that's working with astrology, and it's relaying information that causes fear, anxiety, those are contracting energies. And contraction isn't all bad. I mean, the, the caterpillar needs the contraction of the chrysalis to turn from fucking goo to a butterfly, right? But fear and nervous energy and anxiety, that contracts. So that's where Astrology in, um, modern times, it has become very disempowering and, you know, I just, it's a Mercury retrograde as we're recording this. I just bought a brand new car on Sunday. Yeah. I've never bought a brand new car before. That is a classic. Me and my partner did it. It's a big, big deal in our relationship. Big step. That is a classic no no of a Mercury retrograde. I'm a professional astrologer. I'm like, fuck it. I'm fine. Yeah. Exactly. Because I think like, um, another thing that people don't, um, understand sometimes with astrology is there's two kind of ways that you can operate with it. There's astrological causation or causality, meaning I'm believing and perceiving and working with astrology from the perception that the placement and motion of the planets are causing things to happen. When Mercury is in this sector of the sky, and in this constellation, or in tropical astrology, in this sign, it is going to cause this to happen in physical reality. So that's one. And then there's astrological divination, which we've been talking a lot about, right? By me understanding the ancient archetypes of these planets and signs, and by me understanding hermetic rhythm. and polarity and all of these different things, I can start to understand there's a pattern and there's a rhythm to this. And then I can interpret, right, what this combination of variables means. That's divination. I believe in both a little bit, but I feel like a lot of times we have the causation conversation. Mercury's in retrograde. Everything's going to be crazy. It's eclipse season. It's going to be dark. Um, You know, America's going to have a Pluto return. What does that mean? Pluto doesn't cause the downfall of civilizations. Fucking humans do. Right. And bad systems and bad governments and bad people. Pluto has symbolic and significant, uh, presence where it is. And we can follow that through history and understand that every 265 years, Pluto tends to have an interesting lineup with this type of event. That's divination, right? So, yeah, the planets have, uh, magnetic effects. They definitely have energetic effects. These are huge bodies that are moving, so of course they affect us physically, and of course the moon affects the water in our brain and our body. But does Pluto itself want a whole civilization to fall apart? I don't know. Right. Right. Does Mercury want us all to have, have weird technological things? I don't really think Mercury's, uh, an asshole, you know, cause then I would probably have to think Earth was an asshole and I think she's pretty cool. I think Gaia's pretty loving. Right? So, um, it's just a, yeah, it's just a way how, however you want to work at, look at astrology. If, if people want to work with it in a disempowering way and it gets them off, like, go for it girl. I'm going to buy a car in a Mercury retrograde and I'm fine. Yeah. We're going to travel. Yeah. And you're going to travel around the world and you're having a great time. Yeah, that's awesome. I guess we're doing it right. Yeah. Yeah.

Lindsey: 58:43

Sorry. I just want to know. Oh, you're just writing notes. I don't want to stop. Okay. Um, so kind of actually the same idea of bad, like do like this duality aspect of What about bad spirits or bad energy when people talk about that? And you can really see some people get fixated on bad energy. So I'm interested how you suggest people use their wisdom wisely, work with these tools. To trust that it's like the highest and best outcome will happen or is happening.

David: 59:29

Yes. Totally. Yeah. Yeah. Operating from a belief that the universe is always wanting the best for me. That the universe itself is. Loving, right? Supportive, that it wants to co create, um, and if we show up to the universe in this experience in an unloving way, then, well, we might experience unloving things, not because we're punished, not like that. No, I mean, in a sense, you might be punishing yourself, embracing that type of life, right? But, you know, what you put out, you're going to receive. What you believe, you perceive, right? But when it comes to, um, you know, bad spirits and this idea of, um, you know, maybe a fear of getting possessed, or I don't want to speak with my grandfather in spirit, because what if something bad comes through? Well, that, just like you said, is, um, coming from this idea of duality. And we exist here in the physical in a place of duality. I'm here, you're there, right? Um, I, you know, I'm, I'm this way, you're that way. There's a light here, there's a wall there, there's separation in the physical, right? And that's because we're in a density. The spirit world, or the spiritual world, the immaterial world is non dual. So, we cannot try to understand it through the human constructs of duality. It does not operate that way. It exists outside of duality. It's not a thing there. Um, you know, even kind of that little thing I said about, um, you know, well, I think Earth is pretty good, and I think she's pretty loving, right? That's my view on her for sure. Um, but you know, When we think of Earth and all of her ups and downs, I mean, she has earthquakes. She has hot lava. Mama has ice ages where organisms die, you know, like, is that necessarily bad? Or is that just Earth and from a human's mind and a human's attachment? all of Earth's weather and all of her shifting. And yes, we are affecting her. Of course we are, we're affecting her weather. But all of those things that might seem fearsome and bad to us in the greater totality of the universe, it's really, it's just neutral. It's because she's an organism and she's having a bowel movement and that bowel movement just wiped out, you know. a bunch of life. It's just what's going on, right? It's what's going on, yeah. So I think when we have to, when we approach the spirit world and we approach things, um, we approach things like spirit communication and mediumship, we have to remember that that duality is a very human thing, right? It's a very physical thing. And the spirits are not in the physical. Um, I used to believe that the spirit world did have malevolent forces, that it did have dark things. And over time, working as a medium, I know for sure it doesn't. That is here. Now, can an energy or a consciousness that is, quote, evil or bad, be created? Sure, from the minds of humans. Um, some people might call that an egregore, right? So it's this consciousness or entity that's created from belief, from the power of our minds, because our minds are very, very powerful. But is spirit consciousness bad? No, it's not. It's a loving force. And even if someone lived a, uh, a life where they made bad choices and they caused harm. Not everybody likes to hear this, but um, when that person dies, and their ego dies, and their body dies, and they go back to their spirit, and they go back to source, that bad shit, that part of them, that is gone. That personality, that aspect of them is gone. They are going back to their spirit. And let's be real, it is very easy to be a human and not be in your spirit. I have done it many times in life. That's part of this world is not being in union with that part of us that is loving, that is infinite, right? So Thank If we choose to not be in union with that aspect of us, ourselves, or if we've lived a life that didn't set us up for success, as many people are born into a life where they are not set up for success, to be in touch with that part of themselves, and they don't have a chance later in life, it doesn't mean that they exist like that in the spirit world and that they stay a bad spirit. That's not what happens. That's here. That's part of the duality. That's part of the game. It's part of the illusion. So you know, bad spirits aren't real. They're not. Um, I've never had a bad one come through. Um, this could be a deeper conversation for another day. I mean, I've had spirits come through that when they were alive, they did bad things and I've. had to relay their messages of acknowledgement to their living and, you know, living loved ones here. And that's, those have been some interesting conversations sometimes. Um, but the spirit world does see us in our totality. It sees our potentiality and where we're going as a human. It does not judge us and it supports us and it. It won't intervene if we don't want it to. You know, if you don't want that type of communication, you can say that, and the spirit world will respect your free will. I've seen it happen with myself, students, and many people before. So, it's my long David Ramble. I hope that answered your question.

Lindsey: 1:05:33

It did. It was perfect. Yeah. And really it, it reminds, they're, they feel very related, like the bad energy and then the, um, force and flow or like controlling or the, even the idea of like manifestation, I'm going to only manifest positive things in my life just has this very like limited scope of what the human fullness actually is. And. There's no way that that bad things aren't going to happen in our lives. Some are some are huge And they fucking suck. Some people have bigger ones. Some are small, but like, those things are going to happen. And really, yeah, like, opening that scope up, getting out of the duality, it's all experience. It's all part of the experience. And I'm reminded right now that, I mean, that's exactly what Ram Dass is on my mind, as usual. But he said, he said so much. Suffering is grace that can be hard to hear for someone who's like inactive suffering, especially when it's something really big. But that again, zoom out, zoom out, zoom out. And one day you will see like he did like the stroke that changed his life, took his voice, all of the ass, all of the ways that he was. And he's this holy, like spiritual teacher. Um, yeah. It took the, it took his ability away and it pissed him off for a long time. And then he realized that somewhere along the way it was grace. I feel I'm a little bit rambly right now, but it's just a reminder that, yeah, we're like, it's gotta be good and it can't be bad and it has to be good astrology and good manifestations and. And those are all helpful, but like the juice is in the fullness, right? Not just in the good. If we're all just having good things, then we'd probably be bored in

David: 1:07:30

a month. Literally, that's why people, that's why

Lindsey: 1:07:34

people seek

David: 1:07:36

out chaotic things sometimes.

Lindsey: 1:07:38

Yeah, yeah. And especially if you bring in the aspect of like thinking of it from a spiritual plane. Your soul would be like, okay, there's nothing else to do here. You've figured it out. You're gonna whatever it's called. Um, I now I can't remember. Ascended

David: 1:07:55

to the heavens. Light on fire and smoke away. Yeah, exactly.

Lindsey: 1:08:00

That's it. Yeah. Combustion. Yeah, you won't have any love. You won't have any work left to do.

David: 1:08:07

So yeah, it's literally why we incarnate. Yeah,

Lindsey: 1:08:11

exactly. Exactly. Yeah. And exactly what you said. So when your uncle Larry dies, and he was an asshole, like, he's not going to be haunting you necessarily as an asshole, because all of those Asshole aspects were the human part. That's what I really like to talk about with our kids when they talk, cause they want to like talk about ghosts and this and that and spirits. And I'm like, yeah, but there's not going to be like some guy haunting something in that way, you know, like. Yeah, possessing you or whatever, because that shit's dead. That was the human part. Yeah. Uncle Larry, the asshole, is dead.

David: 1:08:50

Right. I'm sorry if you have one. I'm wanting to come through in spirit. No, Sorry to you if, sorry if you listening have one. I'm sure he's

Lindsey: 1:08:59

lovely. All uncles and all Larrys are welcome here. And all assholes are actually welcome here, too. I'm a full asshole, so.

David: 1:09:08

Yeah, like when, when said Larry, uncle, hypothetical asshole comes through in spirit, I mean he's gonna come through to the medium like that so that the querent and the receiver of the reading identifies him, right? Because the, the receiver of the reading isn't gonna know Larry back with his spirit who's maybe I don't know. a purple, uh, watermelon unicorn, now whatever he wants to be over there, whatever it's like, I have no idea what it's like, but he's gonna come through as that asshole, or he's gonna come through in the way you can identify him. And it's after that point of the medium blending with the energy that then that persona starts to fade, and the medium will actually start to feel the love of the spirit that maybe the querent and the receiver actually never got to receive. And it will come through in a way that's very unique and needed for the recipient. And then when it comes to ghosts and hauntings, I always say, do you think Aunt Barb wants to hang around the same sack of bricks she lived her life in and died in? Like, she does not want to be there. Um, the spirit world isn't bound to, uh, density and physical space and linear time. They are boundless. So this idea of a spirit being trapped, that's not how it works. You can't be trapped in a realm of immaterial. That's not how it works. Fuck, am I a spirit? Am I a spirit? Yeah, I mean, we're literally ghosts. We're trapped. I'm like, I'm like, I'm stuck in here. Um, you know, I'm out of here. Yeah, so when it comes to hauntings, I think what people, because people do experience places that feel haunted or there's a vibe. I have walked in that. Well, what's happening is it's actually more of a psychic stain, right? So it's an energetic stain. If something, traumatic happened in a space, um, especially over and over and over again, or even just a single really intense event, um, you know, let's say like the M word, like if a murder happened, right? Classic idea of when we think there would be a haunting. Absolutely, that that energy is going to permeate, and if that space hasn't been loved, if it hasn't been alchemized, shifted, touched, if more bad events have happened, or if people have projected fear and hatred to the space, because that space is a conscious thing, that space doesn't have that, that, that victim's consciousness in it. No, no, no, they're gone, but it does have an energetic stain, it has a psychic debris. And that can be cleared, and that can be healed. There's a lot of healers that actually just specifically work with homes, right? But I think a lot of times, people just misperceive that as a haunting or a ghost, and that's not what's happening. It's quite different. Yeah, that, that person's not trapped at all. Yeah.

Lindsey: 1:12:11

I thought the M word was going to be meatball. Ooh. I was a little disappointed. I was

David: 1:12:16

like, a meatball? I'm so sorry. Yeah. I would like a meatball. Yeah, a meatball ghost. That

Lindsey: 1:12:22

would be great. So, What does alignment look like, feel like, what is that for you?

David: 1:12:31

Oh gosh, um, I think in the past I used to, uh, kind of chalk it up to something that was very physical in my appearance. I worked in the beauty industry. So it'd be how I looked, right? Do I have color today? Do I look at the correct dimensions that I like to see myself at this point in life? Um, you know, and over time, it's a feeling for me. Um, that's been my journey. So, Alignment for me is different every single day. There's a type of alignment for me that's required when I work. Um, so if I'm doing readings, my morning is devoted to those readings. I start my readings at 11 30 in the morning and for two hours before that, I'm doing whatever I need to get into alignment for that work. Um, that is different than when I have, uh, my video game day and I play Zelda, or when I go for a hike, or when I go meet friends, right? So, it's always shifting. But for me, it's a, it's a feeling. How am I feeling in my body as a human today? How am I breathing? What's the quality of my thoughts like, um, what's the quality of my relationship with me like, or what is it like with other people? I know I as David and Anna Lyman, if I'm hearing a victim's story, or if I'm feeling like people aren't doing enough. Um, that's a classic kind of shadow realm spot for me. I know immediately I'm like, ooh, oh, I think people aren't doing enough. Okay, let's, let's check in. Right. But, um, that's hard to answer, uh, briefly, uh, cause I, I don't know, it's just different all the time. Yeah, but it's feeling. Yeah.

Lindsey: 1:14:20

No, I think you did answer it. Yeah. Yeah. Good. Yeah. I think even just that you're noticing or when we notice, oh, I'm doing the thing that I do where I need, where I'm expecting maybe a little too much, or I'm like a little on edge, like even that's alignment because I

David: 1:14:38

noticed. That's a good point. The awareness. Absolutely. Yes. It

Lindsey: 1:14:43

kind of goes back to that perfectionism thing where it's like, Okay. I mean, maybe I was, maybe I'm out of alignment, but even just the noticing is like, okay, there, there I am. I'm with myself. Yeah, I'm aware.

David: 1:14:55

Yes. I see that a lot in new practitioners or new teachers or healers, and I experienced that in the beginning for quite some time of like, I was aware and I was so nervous that I was going to cause harm. What if I say the wrong thing? What if I, oh my gosh, what if I trigger somebody in this way? Uh, what if the internet cancels me and they don't like my video on this or whatever it is? And what I tell people who kind of have that a lot, that kind of concern for others, is I'm like, if you're aware of it, you're in touch with it, you're already miles ahead. If you're like that compassionate to be thinking of somebody else in that way and concerned, you're probably not causing the harm. Right? So don't let that inhibit you. But it is that awareness of self that I think you're right. I think that is a, that is an alignment stage. It'd be the same with like, um, somebody who's dealing with addiction, right? Like they have to be aware of it. That's one of the first stages, first steps of getting into alignment and out of that

Lindsey: 1:15:59

dependency. Right, right. And even causing harm, we're all going to cause harm. Can you, can I be responsible once I'm made aware?

David: 1:16:08

Yeah. I had a, um, one of my yoga teachers, Emily Dutton, if you're listening, I love you, um, when I was getting ready to, uh, teach yoga nidra, um, I was really afraid to say the wrong thing. Um, it was right before the pandemic happened. I actually was teaching a yoga nidra class on the 15th of March when all the metros in the U. S. shut down. That was such a weird day. I was like, should we be teaching yoga right now? Like shouldn't we be home? It's kind of weird. Um, but. She said to me, I was like, what if I say the wrong thing, or what if I offend somebody, what if I trigger somebody, um, what if I get something wrong, and she said, you have to trust that your community will hold you accountable, and you have to be ready to be held accountable. And I was like, damn, like that sounded so scary, but it's true. And, you know, if, if you're out there and you're listening and you're thinking about, wow, I want to do a podcast or I want to post this or I want to do that. Like, yeah, you might mess up at one point. You might say something and we're humans. We're going to hold each other accountable and we're going to do it with love. Hopefully. Yeah.

Lindsey: 1:17:17

Hopefully. Okay. So. The final, we have a final few questions that we always ask each person. Yeah, like rapid fire. Sort of, kind of, yeah. Um, the first one is ASL. Now the first one is, um, is there something, is there something for you right now that you want to create or experience that feels like another starting over? Is there something new percolating for you?

David: 1:17:45

Yeah. Um, music. I have always been drawn towards music. Um, I freestyle on the piano. Sometimes I can't read sheet music. I've always had a fantasy of myself on stage. And, um, I've been in the last year, been doing karaoke and been giving that Leo in me a little bit of that, that fantasy. But, um, recently I started making friends with, uh, some of the folks in the music scene here in Seattle. And I was like, why am I not around these people? They're so in their heart. They're supporting each other. And I looked at my partner and I'm like, I'm going to be in a band before I'm 50. And then my friend was like, you can do it before you're 50. And, you know, not not even like a. Whole big full blown thing, but just as a passion project, just something artistic. So music, um, has been percolating a little bit. Do it. You're in the right spot. Yeah, I know Seattle, right? So we'll, we'll see. We'll see how it comes to be That's okay. I don't

Britt: 1:18:47

read music either and I've toured all over, so I get it. You can do it. Whoa. You can absolutely do it. Yeah.

David: 1:18:53

Yeah. See that's helpful to hear and inspiring. Yeah.

Lindsey: 1:18:56

Actually, this kind of jumps right into our next question. What, we'll start with music, what music or and or book are you just like loving right now?

David: 1:19:08

Mmm, Beach House just came out with a new album or um an EP I think there's five tracks on it and they're kind of like they've been my longtime favorite. I've seen them like nine times So I was just diving into it Um, but listening to it as always, you know, Beach House is so dreamy and, um, ethereal, at least on record. If you see them live, they're actually very loud. It's a very heavy sound and it's different live. But um, I was listening, I'm like, Ooh, this isn't matching my like sunny Seattle May energy. It's like Seattle February, misty, introspective, but I've been listening to that a little bit. Um, and then book, I actually have it out here. Um, I found this when I was traveling, um, in, uh, Topanga, we were staying in Topanga back in, uh, February and it's called, We Are All Addicts, kind of sounds serious, uh, but Carter Stout, uh, Dr. Carter Stout wrote this and it's a very soulful, kind of slightly spiritual approach to addiction. Also mixed with a clinical perspective, and I really like it, I mean, there's certain chapters like being addicted to frustration and resentment is a whole chapter, being addicted to sex, love, and porn is another, being addicted to success is a chapter, to sugar, being addicted to, um, gosh. Smartphones, of course, but there's kind of some, like, different things that you wouldn't normally think of with it. And, um, I've been reading this, dipping in and out of it, the last month. It's been interesting. The, the author, um, asks us to approach our addiction like it is a spirit, actually. Like it's a guide, and to talk to it. Like, why do you want the sugar endlessly for six hours from 4 p. m. to 10 p. m., and then again at 11 p. m.? Why do you keep wanting it? What is going on?

Lindsey: 1:21:12

That makes sense. It's like parts work, it sounds like. Like IFS, kind of, yeah? Like personifying the... the part of us that wants the thing. That's so interesting. I'm gonna have to look it up. Not that I need another book. Britt's already like, no more books right now. No room for books. I know. I

David: 1:21:28

always have five on rotation. Yeah, books.

Lindsey: 1:21:30

I know. Yeah. It's hard when you're in three suitcases. Oh, you know, gotta be like, all right, this book's gotta go. Yeah. Our final questions always come from our eight year old twins. Eli and Jack. Oh my gosh! Yeah. So we just asked them before we started and Brit, you have them because I already forgot.

Britt: 1:21:52

Okay. Eli wants to know if you could make an American flag, like redesign

David: 1:21:57

it, what would it look like? Anything you want it to be. Oh, this might be cliche, but it'd probably be rainbow as fuck. Let's just put all the colors on it, baby. Gosh, it'd be, well, it wouldn't be so graphic, um, it'd be a little softer, she'd be a little softer, I think she'd be prismatic, she'd have a gradient. All the flags are so graphic when I think of it, you know, they're really like 2D and a lot of lines, so I think I would want it to be, um, just a big ass queer prism of a flag. That sounds good. Yeah. I love it. Cool question. Yeah, isn't that

Britt: 1:22:41

good? And then we have one from Jack. This one, uh, we, we kind of turned sideways here. How do TVs work?

David: 1:22:49

Oh my gosh. Well, our TV currently has a poncho on it. Um, I'm looking at ours. Our TV is always covered in our house. So when I met my partner, he wanted it to always be covered because he doesn't like the screens looking back at us. So, um, how do TVs work? I'm going to answer it like a psychic. Is that okay? Please. Absolutely. I'd have it no other way. So cool. Our brain experiences different brainwaves, right, different brain chemistry. Uh, right now, the three of us are all in beta, and you listening at home are probably in beta, unless you're like zoning out, painting your nails, or cooking and doing something familiar. You might be in what's called alpha. Alpha brainwave is what you experience when you meditate for three minutes or more, and it's also a brainwave that you experience in the few moments right before you fall asleep. So you know that moment right before you're dreaming and you're like, I can kind of feel my body, but I'm starting to hear noise. Or. I'm kinda here, but I'm seeing an image. That's alpha. So, psychics, mediums, we train ourselves to stay in an alpha brainwave and get to it at will. Well, the alpha brainwave is very receptive. The brain takes in a lot. Our whole awareness, our whole being takes in a lot when we're in this very receptive brainwave. And when you watch TV for three minutes, you go into an alpha brainwave. This brainwave that is very... Kind of energetically porous in a way where you can take in a lot. So it quite literally feels good to zone out and watch Netflix or watch a film because your brainwaves are getting lower and you're going into alpha, just something you experience right before you fall asleep. But just watch what you're pointing your gaze at. If you're watching intense stuff, whatever that type of intensity is or sadness or whatever, well you are taking that in. Somehow. So, how do TVs work? Well, I think a conspiracy person would tell you they program us. I'm not one of that, one of those people. I love television. I love film. I love entertainment. Um, but how do they work? They, um, They definitely influence us. I'll say that for sure. That was great for what you watch. Perfect. Yeah.

Lindsey: 1:25:18

Yeah. This has been amazing. You are just thanks for having me on. Yeah. Thank you so much. What a wealth of knowledge you have. So Tell our listeners how they can connect with you. I know there's going to be so many people that are going to be interested in learning more

David: 1:25:35

from you. Oh, yeah. Well, yeah, let's sync up. Let's hang out. You can find me on Instagram and TikTok just by my full name. No spaces, no characters. It's David Petrusich. So on Instagram and TikTok. Uh, that same name, David Petrusich, P E T R U S I C H dot com is my website, alchemybydavid, if that's easier to remember, alchemybydavid. com will take you to the exact same place. Um, always love meeting new folks, always love giving readings, and always love working with people and mentoring. So, uh, find me and we'll make magic. I'm excited to meet you. Beautiful. And thank you both for having me. I feel like we've been hanging out. I wish I could. Come hang and watch the sunset with y'all in Hawaii. Yeah. That would be great.