A Very Special Episode - Coach Bishop Breaks Down Kendrick vs. Drake

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Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:22

Welcome to our Ted Lasso talk, the Tedcast. Welcome all Greyhound fans, welcome all you sinners from the dog track and all the AFC Richmond fans around the world. It's the Lasso way around these parts with Coach, coach and Boss, without further ado, coach Castleton.

Speaker 2: 0:39

Okay, welcome back, beautiful people. I hit record as fast as humanly possible today because Coach is already in. He is just hyped, hyped up. I am your host, coach Castleton. You will hear shortly from Coach Bishop, who is with me, as always, and you will also hear from the illustrious boss of ours, emily Chambers. I'm just going to take all of the intros off the table and throw it to coach bishop.

Speaker 3: 1:06

Coach, take it away, okay I'm gonna try as best I can to balance the need to maintain some level of decorum and to express what the fuck just happened in hip-hop. Because, all right, I almost feel like I gotta go back to the very beginning. Okay, I was born in 1972. Hip-hop was born in 1973. Okay, hip-hop is my contemporary, that is my music, that is my culture. Like I've been here for all the rap beefs. I've been here for all the rap beefs. I've been here for all the bullshit. I've been here for all. I've been here for all of it. Okay, so what I'm? I'm not going to pretend that I've kept up with every artist and this and that over the years, but I am telling you, this culture is who I am. This is a humongous piece of who I am.

Speaker 3: 2:08

So I have to lay that groundwork so people have some sense of what is happening to Coach Bishop today, because both Coach and Boss will tell you that I texted them and I'm just like oh my God, this is historic. And have I ever texted you guys that anything was historic before? There have been interesting stories? Nope, no, this is like okay, so, oh God, all right, for those of you who may need to get a little bit of a catch, because there's so much to this. As I told Coach, we could do a week, we could just sit here and record for a week, and we still would not be done unpacking the beef that just unfolded between Drake and Kendrick Lamar. And what's fascinating to me, this will be the topic of college courses. Let me put that on the table. This will be the topic of college courses. Let me put that on the table. I promise you right now there will be college courses taught, centered on they Not Like Us.

Speaker 3: 3:24

That song may be the apex of rap music.

Speaker 4: 3:25

Like period, oh shit, holy shit, okay. Like period, oh shit, okay. I mean I, I, I've heard a lot about how phenomenal it is, but I was expecting you to say a diss track. I mean not right, definitely that.

Speaker 3: 3:35

So, okay, right, that's the thing. That's the thing. He made a diss track that is so goddamn good that even if you took out the entire drake battle element of this, it still probably would have ended up an all-time great song like this will be played in the clubs. This will be played at the cookouts. This will be played for years to come. It will come on and people will wait for a moment where the entire crowd can go a minor more on that later. This shit is crazy, okay. So let me, let me, let me see if I can like calm down enough for a second to like actually make some kind of sense.

Speaker 3: 4:15

Okay, rap, in its in its beginning, it was all about battles. So then you have break dancing with the. In its beginning, it was all about battles, so then you have breakdancing with the battles. It's always been. Competition has always been a humongous part. So rap beefs, rap battles have been a thing forever. I remember being a little kid it was a Friday night and running upstairs, stopping playing before we usually did, because, run from run, dmc was gonna battle kumo d from the treacherous three, like most people just heard me say, because nobody knows the fuck I'm talking about, because that's how long so like this has been since forever. This, this brand of hip-hop with two ms or two crews or whatever just decide. We are going to fucking have it out All right. So I'll fast forward a little bit. We have, years ago, drake's big star. Kendrick is not Drake takes Kendrick on tour with him. They're cool. They do features on each other's songs Blah, blah, blah Drake. I can't even think of a song now because there's so much flying through my head about this.

Speaker 2: 5:31

How long ago are we talking?

Speaker 3: 5:32

Coach, this is like 10 to 15 years ago. I don't want to say exactly, I think it's 13 years, but it's somewhere in that this has brewed for a long time. So Drake does this whole rhyme where he names all these MCs of that moment and he's basically like I got love for all of y'all, but I'm coming for you. Basically, he's like I will be the king of the hill, but it's in context. It's presented to my ear as like competition, like as if, like Jordan and Barkley and all of them were sitting in a room at one point in the 90s, like you know, like somebody might be, like I'm going to be the king, but it wasn't like I fucking hate you, I'm going to tell somebody I can't. It was just like but Drake took it super personally and was apparently the only one who did so. That is the divergence. Wait, wait, hold on. A second, hold on, let me clarify.

Speaker 2: 6:28

Let me clarify this. You said was it Drake that listed all the people that said it? No, kendrick did. Did I say, drake, okay, got it. Yeah, yeah, no. Maybe I misheard. No, no, no, no.

Speaker 3: 6:45

I very easily could have had to brush past this, because this is insane.

Speaker 1: 6:47

All right, so I promise the soliloquy will end soon and we can actually have something of a conversation.

Speaker 2: 6:49

No, no, no, no, no, no. We have no knowledge. We're like, we're like literally jars of mayonnaise listening to the soliloquy. I have no, yeah, no, nothing of importance to, except except to make sure everybody knows who like jordan and barkley are. Those are basketball players. There you go for people who, yeah, but keep going so all right.

Speaker 3: 7:06

So all right. So they, so they diverge there and and I will grab as many links as I can that have explanations and stuff and put in the community, because I'm telling you I've been paying so much attention to this there is work like for my business that has gone completely ignored, because I'm just like, oh my god, and I feel like I know nothing. This morning I was discussing shit and I know, all right, let me slow down. So it's crazy. So they're doing so. For years now they've been doing what, what in in hip-hop they call like sublim, right, so they'll say some smart shit in a song and it's kind of like, if you know, you know and you catch the barb. But it wasn't full frontal, just right. But everybody was aware these guys don't love each other.

Speaker 3: 8:00

Now here's where I want to pause and give this. Well, this is why I called it historic and I'm like so serious. So I for years have said that in the early 90s hip hop came to a fork in the road. I will, in a loose-ish way, call the public enemy path and the other path I will loosely call the NWA path. Now I want to pause here and say I am not commenting on the character of the actual human beings when I go where I'm going right now. I'm talking about essentially what they represented in hip-hop. Okay, talking about essentially what they represented in hip hop, okay, so I will in.

Speaker 3: 8:49

In Western philosophy, you didn't think that was going to happen in this conversation. Boom, you have Aristotle, right, talking about virtue, right. And then you have a whole other like lane in philosophy and Western philosophy, that's vice, right. Like lane in phil and western philosophy, that's vice, right. So you have like aspire to your highest ideals, and you have fuck that shit, get the pleasure, get the power, whatever, like, whatever. Now, the public enemy path, the main, the core of hip-hop did not go down that path, right, the core of hip-hop went the other way and I I have receipts on this and I'm just started thinking about first of all, this shit has been going on for a week, so how dare any of you expect me to be able to tell you all of this? But anyway, I'm trying. So look, so you've got virtue and you've got vice. Okay, I'm serious about this part, and this part I've not seen anywhere else. This is very specific to Coach Bishop, who sits around and watches professors lecture on philosophy in his free time. So you have virtue and you have vice and hip hop chose vice and in a certain way there's like a there's. In my opinion there's been a sort of like understanding we respect virtue but we embrace vice. Right, that's the more fun shit, that's whatever. You got Jay-Z Right, I sold five million.

Speaker 3: 10:23

I mean, I ain't been rapping since Common Sense. I'm rapping like common sense, right, common sense. But Common, the rapper who is very much of that virtue side of things, when he first came out his name was Common Sense. So when he says I ain't been rapping like Common Sense, he's doing a little wordplay to say like, oh, I know what Common does and I could do that, but I really like all the money I'm making, so I'm not doing that. Common can have that lane. I'm going to be over here where the fucking money is, and there's a ton of that throughout hip-hop.

Speaker 3: 10:53

So when you have Tupac and Biggie, they're both on that vice road. If you think about it, it's all money and bitches and whatever Tupac references virtue. He died. He'll step over there from time to time but he ultimately comes back. Now what did tupac go by? As a, as a, an alter ego, macaveli, oh yeah, oh, but ole don't know what the fuck he talk about.

Speaker 3: 11:23

I'm trying to tell y'all, man, I have the perspective I may not have kept up with all the music all this time, but I'm telling y'all I see this shit, it's virtue and vice. Now I'm going to say this part. We can get into more detail In this argument. This beef, the virtue is Kendrick. Again, I am not saying that Kendrick is a perfect person, I don't know. And Kendrick isn't saying that Kendrick is a perfect person. Right, he had Mr Morale, which, I'll admit, I didn't really listen to like that. I think I heard a couple tracks. It's on my list of like I got to get to it. But now all these I got to get to it shits all just moves to the top of my list Like I'm listening. I'm going to be listening to rap albums for the next month and a half for sure. So just to be like, what was everybody saying all this time? So, ok, so he's Virtue, right, and I think we all get that. Like he had All Right, which was like the theme song of the BLM, like I think we all he, he has a fucking Pulitzer. Like okay, yeah, right, drake is a hundred percent vice. It is.

Speaker 3: 12:29

Drake is cotton candy man. There's no nutritional content, but the fucking songs hit. He's always with the latest sound, everybody's dancing. He even tell you that Tootsie Slide, which gets reference on one of the Kendrick, disses it's all you, it's all a big party, nothing matters. I fuck all the girls. He has rhymes about who he fucked and he fucked the friends. He sent them all back to public housing. He's like right Now, what? So this is a classic, classic setup in hip hop. Even when Ice Cube put out Death, out death certificate when he left nwa, he had two sides to that album the life side and the death side.

Speaker 3: 13:12

Like I've been thinking about this for days now, I'm telling you this shit is real virtue versus vice. Okay, so we got virtue versus vice. We've got kendrick versus Drake. Okay, now Kendrick, they're going back and forth and one of the criticisms, as the songs are building up and I'll go through the specific songs a little bit is yeah, kendrick's shit was cool, but you can't really dance to it, which has been the classic argument between the two. It's like I had a professor in film school who talked about spinach pictures. Everybody says, oh, we should make movies, but he's like on Friday night nobody wants a spinach picture. That's why those movies don't work. So the virtue side has had some spinach music vibe to it, not to say a lot of. It hasn't been great, but like it's not. Those aren't the bangers, those aren't those party songs.

Speaker 3: 14:12

What Kendrick did with they not like us, which again I will say, I've called my cousin. He went crazy. My cousin went crazy Cause he loves hip hop and he's even more in like he can break down like lyrics and shit that people have said that I'll be like oh, I miss that. And I told him I was like, listen to me, catch up now. Like I was driving and I was like, listen to me, I know you're like oh, I don't want to fuck with this beef. I'm like you have to fuck with this beef. You cannot. You listen to me, listen to me. I told him I was like you will not be able to discuss hip hop from here on out if you are not well versed in this beef Like you, just like. It won't be possible. You like nobody you know one could listen to you. You have to pay attention. So what Kendrick did with this song is and I know I'm jumping around Is he took virtue?

Speaker 3: 15:09

Is he took virtue? He took a song where he's saying you're, you're fucking exploiting teenage girls and blah, blah, blah, you're grooming. You're this, you're that, you're a fucking culture vulture. He, he, he takes a half a verse to break down the economic exploitation that went down in fucking atlanta, like what has happened, like that is as fucking virtue and spinach music as you get. And this motherfucker, this motherfucker took virtue and wrapped it in a Vice song. That's why, when it first came out, everybody was like oh my God, it's a fucking club banger, because you can't do that. That's not a thing. That's not a thing.

Speaker 3: 15:59

You do not make a song where you're rapping about the economic exploitation of Atlanta and how it connects to Drake's behavior of swooping in and taking the core of the culture and making money off of it. You don't get to break that down for a whole verse and make an absolute fucking heater. What the fuck? And the levels to the oh my, my god. Then the lyrics and shit. So anyway, that's the for me, that's the like big picture of what we just saw. Like kendrick basically, like almost like a cartoon character where you see the lightning coming in and shit. He basically was like it's not that I rap, it's that I am rap. It's not that I rap, it's not that I know hip-hop, it's that I am hip-hop. He says at one point this is not my opinion, I'm speaking for the culture. So he's telling Drake like listen bro, I am the culture and you are fucking out.

Speaker 2: 17:00

I was like never.

Speaker 3: 17:03

I've never seen any shit like this in my life. I've never seen any shit like this in my life. I've never seen any shit like this Jay-Z and Nas, biggie and Pop I've never seen any shit like this in my life, never. It's crazy. The lyrics, I mean, all right, just an example, and I know Coach is like cracking up over it because he's just because I'm telling you this blew my mind. All right.

Speaker 3: 17:31

One example of a lyric In they Not Like Us, he says trying to strike a chord, and it's probably a minor. Now, let me, because I know I referenced that earlier. So let me, let me let me slow down A minor. Now, let me, cause I know I referenced that earlier, so let me, let me let me slow down. Okay, so trying to strike a chord? So he's big. So we all know that phrase strike a chord, right, okay, great, so strike a chord. In that you're trying to make a point about me, but by saying trying, he's like you're not quite making it because that shit's not true. Okay, so that's one meaning. Then, of course, we're talking music here. So strike a chord. That has another meaning. So, oh wait, there's a double meaning and it's probably a minor. Oh, like the chord, the musical chord, yes. Or do you mean like the minors, that we are talking about Drake Chasing A minor? But guess what I learned this morning he says A minor in A minor.

Speaker 2: 18:33

No, yes.

Speaker 3: 18:37

And Wait, because I know you're like, oh my god, that's brilliant, that's the top of the line, like there's no way to go from there. Au contraire, mon frere. Au contraire, mon frere, because A minor has no black keys in it, I'm done, shut up.

Speaker 2: 19:00

I'm out Shut up.

Speaker 3: 19:04

Hip hop just ended. See y'all later, bye.

Speaker 4: 19:11

I need everyone at home to understand. We actually do keep our cameras on, so there's a video feed that we have when we are watching. Everybody do say all the brilliant things and coach Bishop has to, for technical reasons, use his phone as the camera.

Speaker 3: 19:29

I don't think he's aware, but the camera is automatically adding background graphics I just saw the last one has been doing that the whole time a little bit, yeah, yeah, like sometimes when you're like and then this thought is, and then like a thought bubble pops out, when you hit that last one it was fireworks and confetti.

Speaker 3: 19:47

Well, that is appropriate. I mean it's yeah, like I'm telling you I am going to study this and I am going to write about this and I am going to speak about this, Like this. Yeah, I mean Like, wait, no Like no, like, like, absolutely.

Speaker 2: 20:09

There are no black keys.

Speaker 4: 20:10

That's, that's well, and also one of the one of the more, uh, surface level and I this is not me, I didn't come up with any of this shit. I know enough that I listened to the songs, but I don't know nothing else. But, yes, it was all the things that you were saying about how he was trying to strike a chord, but it's a minor. Yes, the underage, yes, the songs, everything else. But Kendrick was saying, like, whatever you're trying to do, it's not going to be that important. It will be that you talk about, yes, yes, also that In this way, I'm also going to flip that up on you, so that I am calling you a pedophile and saying that you're a culture vulture, I mean yeah.

Speaker 3: 20:52

There's a lot that line when he says you're not a colleague, you're a fucking colonizer. I spit out my colleague.

Speaker 2: 21:02

I know, I know that one, that one I, I like, I my inside listen, they not like us is is crippling in and of itself. And if the fact that there's this overtone of of who's like legit, like actually, actually, and also culturally like like I am, the you saying I am not like, I'm not, I'm not you know of hip hop, or I'm not like what I am, I am the manifestation of this art form, yeah, and what does that make the other guy who's against it? Exactly?

Speaker 3: 21:44

So if you say they not like us and I'm the culture you are not Like, you are out, I mean, I didn't know you could do that.

Speaker 4: 21:57

I need to jump in very quickly and say that, yes, this is all extremely brilliant. But yes, this is all extremely brilliant. I don't want to take away from everything that went down with it, especially because Meet the Grams.

Speaker 3: 22:11

Yes, yes.

Speaker 4: 22:15

Is savage is not a strong enough word. It is unbelievable. The first line is dear Adonis, who is Drake's son that he refused to acknowledge for a long time. Dear Adonis, I'm sorry that man is your father and just that is like.

Speaker 3: 22:31

First of all that shit is. I mean ouch Like god damn Okay. So let me put some further context on this. Thank you for bringing up Meet the Gramps when I tell you that we could Explain what Meet the Gramps.

Speaker 2: 22:44

Okay, so I for bringing up meet the grams, like I'm when I tell you that we could like explain what meet the gram guys.

Speaker 3: 22:46

Okay, so I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry okay, so all right, let's look, because I'm too, I'm too hyped. All right, so there's a series of songs. Part of what happened here is part of what's unprecedented and insane about this is this had simmered, simmered for all these years, and then over the last few weeks, and more specifically over the past weekend, there was a barrage of diss tracks that were like heavyweight, just haymakers, like a flurry of activity. For those of you, I've heard great comparisons. I've heard that it would be like if, um, oh girl, jk Rowling. It'd be like if JK Rowling just decided to like write a whole fucking book about hating Dan Brown. It's like Nadal and federer, just like deciding like we gonna play to the death, like it's. Like. It's just, you don't see this and you certainly don't see it over a fucking weekend no, you don't see it like this quickly.

Speaker 2: 23:56

I mean it like churning out it was and that was part of the material, oh my god.

Speaker 3: 24:01

So all right, so meet the great, so so let me see if I can go through the sequence can you start?

Speaker 2: 24:07

can you just like go like how did it start? Yes, so how did it start? Who shot?

Speaker 3: 24:11

first. So there's like that, okay, so let me go, let me go back. There's so many fucking things, all right. So like that, hold on, I'm googling in real time because I'm like, oh yeah, we gotta talk about like that, all right. So like that is a song by an art, by basically a producer named metro booman, who's from atlanta, right, and he and he and uh, uh aubrey no, drake, don't fuck with each other. Like aubrey is drake's uh government name, for those of you didn't know that. So, um, so they don't fuck with each other. So there's already. There was already a vibe of like for future who also, they don't fuck with each other.

Speaker 2: 24:52

It means what they don't get.

Speaker 3: 24:54

Oh so they don't, they don't get along, they, they, they don't like each other, right, thank you. So the so future kendrick lamar, metro boomer making a song. It's like three people who pretty clearly are not fans, right? So this came out, I want to say, like about a month ago, a couple of weeks ago, a few weeks ago, and Kendrick's whole rhyme is pretty clearly aimed at Drake. So let me see if I can get to this fast you said metro, boomin, metro from atlanta will be.

Speaker 2: 25:28

Yeah, who is from?

Speaker 3: 25:29

atlanta. He will be significant in a moment like for another reason kendrick, kendrick and then future, future who?

Speaker 3: 25:36

some of you will know, as the the uh biological father of Sierra's child, sierra, who is now married to Russell Wilson. That's a whole other set of issues. Let me see if I can find this real fast. Oh okay. So I'm going to read these lyrics. I'm going to go ahead and just have a disclaimer here, coach. I don't know if we're going to have to do some beeping and stuff later, but it is impossible to tell a story without the word nigga. So I'm just going to go ahead and just have a disclaimer here, coach. I don't know if we're going to have to do some beeping and stuff later, but it is impossible to tell a story without the word nigga. So I'm just going to go ahead and just admit that that has to be told. It's just, it's okay.

Speaker 2: 26:12

I just died, that's fine.

Speaker 3: 26:15

I knew I needed to warn you Cause here, no problem, yep, these niggas talking out, they necks Don't pull no coffin out of your mouth. So basically, don't get yourself killed talking shit, which I'm like. Okay, we're there immediately. I'm way too paranoid for a threat.

Speaker 3: 26:35

Later in the rhyme, he says the money power respect, which is a classic hip hop line. There's a song money power respect. That's like the ethos of the vice path Money Power Respect. And he says the last one is better. Actually we should be talking virtue.

Speaker 3: 26:57

Guys Say it's a lot of goofies with a check. In other words, all that motherfucking money you making don't make you real. All that motherfucking money making don't make you a big deal. I don't give a fuck about that, you don't get my respect. And then this is the line I got to find this shit. Where's the canine shit? Because that's the shit that had me like I don't know what to do with this guy. All right, here we go, he says. So he starts out with I'm snatching chains and burning tattoos, so snatching chains. The significance of that is like throughout hip-hop, like people have worn their jewelry and part of it is you might get robbed. So like I grew up in new york where chains got snatched like you had to think about. So part of wearing a chain is and I pulled right out I I was just going to say coach you can't see it, but he just pulled his gold chain out of his hoodie.

Speaker 3: 27:49

For real, and so part of wearing this chain like even right now, as me as a 51-year-old gray beard when I walk around with this chain on there is a thread of that. That is ain't nobody snatching my motherfucking chain I will wear my chain. I can walk here with my chain on, like you're making a declaration of who you are. Like. You ain't gonna rob me, bro.

Speaker 2: 28:10

Like what is the significance of chains like I've seen it on the nfl playing field? Oh, like when people like a total disrespect. That is because I'm saying that you're.

Speaker 3: 28:20

You're a punk baby. I will take your fucking chain like that's you think about it all. Right now we get into the AFAM side of this. Black people have been denied so much in terms of wealth and property and the ability to own and possess right that if you have some shit, that's a declaration and that's part of the whole vice line Right. Like it started out when I was a kid, guys were rhyming about driving Pathfinders and shit, like people were, and then, like before long, like it was Bentleys and then it was Maybach, like it was like shit that like rich motherfuckers don't buy. You know, I'm like it was just crazy and so there's a whole thing about that. So if I so the one, you cannot have somebody sit like rob you, like that's like okay, you're. I hate to say it like this, but in context, you're nothing like you. You just you're irrelevant. You're punk. If you are robbed, yeah, if you are robbed, if you are able to be robbed, that's right.

Speaker 3: 29:20

I was in. I was in mexico for I'm. This is a true story. I was mexico for a destination wedding, right. So, true story, I was in mexico for a destination wedding, right. So we're walking around, blah, blah. We see this dude and he's got a knot in his back pocket, like I'm talking about a wad of money. I'm like, god damn like. From a distance I noticed it and other people noticed there's a dude walking around with a fucking knot in his back pockets. I'm like you what? And then I turned to this dude. We were both laughing, we both looked at each other and I laughed and I was like that's a bad motherfucker right there and he started laughing and the reason I said it was that's a message. That's a message.

Speaker 2: 30:00

I don't hide my money.

Speaker 3: 30:02

I don't protect my money. I motherfucking wish you would come over here and try to take this money. He was like oh, I was like, dude, I wouldn't recommend anybody try to take that fucking knife. That is not. I would not do that, I would not advise. So when he started my snatching chains, he's basically saying I'm going to snatch your chain. I'm the bad motherfucker here, you're not okay. All right, so now this was the part that had me just like out of my mind. So he, where's the three? This is.

Speaker 2: 30:34

You're continuing to read lyrics from the song. What was this?

Speaker 3: 30:37

this is like that so like that, and this is about a month ago, yeah, about a month ago this dropped, so let me see if I can this is future metro booman and kendrick, but when you say he, you're generally referring to metro booman doesn't. He doesn't say, he just no he's the, he's the producer on it, but the but future, and uh, they do like the rhyming oh, so here's the line here's the line that just made me go all right.

Speaker 3: 30:59

Um, this guy is just or a line because he just hit us with like 50 of them in like three days, all right. So he's talking about he says it's lost too many soldiers not to play a safe. So basically, I don't play you talking violent shit. I've actually buried people like I don't play games talking about shit like that. If you walk around with that stick it ain't Andre 3K. So he's basically like I'm not playing with you, it's going to go down. Think I won't drop the location. I still got PTSD.

Speaker 3: 31:31

Motherfuck the big three. Now there was a whole thing of Kendrick Drake and J Cole as this the big three of hip hop right now, and that was the whole thing. He says motherfucker the big three, nigga, it's just big me thing. He says mother, fuck the big three, nigga, it's just big me. So he's just like I'm the king, fuck you motherfuckers. Like no more big three, I'm not entertaining this conversation anymore. I'm the king of hip-hop. So then he goes nigga bum, what? Now? The bum is a gunshot. That's what that represents. I'm really like that. And then somebody says he was once a thug. He was, and your best work is a light pack, so he's really playing with him now. And then what does that mean?

Speaker 3: 32:13

He's basically like you, you're like, your pack is like, you're basically like yeah, you ain't packing.

Speaker 3: 32:18

You ain't doing shit, yeah, like you know. Like when LL said, like how you gonna go against an army with a handgun, you know what I'm saying Like it's like you can't do it. Then Drake had been making a lot of Michael Jackson references. Kendrick now says, nigga, prince, outlive Mike Jack, right, so right. Like he's like all cultural beefs, like we can reference any cultural beef, like the Prince Michael Jackson reference could even be the beef. So you want to be Michael Jackson? Fuck it, I'm Prince in this analogy. And then he says, nigga, boom, for all your dogs getting buried. So basically he's like we will kill your whole crew. Then he says that's a K with all these nines. So a K, right, kendrick, with all these nines, nine millimeter right Guns, right. So a K with all these nines. He gonna see Pet Sematary, so canines. So he says it's a K with all these nines guns, but that's also canines, so he gonna see Pet Sematary. I was like what, what, what?

Speaker 2: 33:36

Dude, that John Travolta gif where you're looking around. Yeah, I was like what?

Speaker 3: 33:42

Like what, and this is a month ago, like so, so anyway, they put out this song like that. There's so much more, but they put out the song like that and everybody. So the next one, and I gotta give drake credit. I will say this he got fucking smoked, it's true, so I'm not gonna lie, but he actually had some great songs in here.

Speaker 3: 34:04

Like when I talked to my cousin about this because he was like what? Like he was like are you serious? Like because I was like dude, you got to like listen to me, you got to go listen to all this shit right now. Right, and he's like, really, are you serious? I said, and here's the thing Drake is not on because you know he had his song. You know, like all that stuff is like you know that's the cotton candy shit. But I was like he's not coming with that Kiki shit. Like he's really rhyming. My cousin's like what? So he has push ups, he has like he's like bringing out songs and he's calling them out and then, after he's called them out, and he has some really good rhymes of his own, like I said, we could spend a semester on it. He basically drops his.

Speaker 3: 34:51

But Kendrick is notorious. This is what I told my son was like this is where we run into the absolute genius of this. So Kendrick is notoriously slow in terms of churning out music. It's a thing, right? So his fans are always like where is he, where is he, where is he, where is he? But he always comes with heat, but he's not one to just rip off songs, right?

Speaker 4: 35:14

I didn't know that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, okay.

Speaker 3: 35:17

So I don't want to get too bogged down because I'm going to forget the exact order. But Drake drops some shit and then Kendrick drops Euphoria, which is a whole other, because Drake is an exec producer on Euphoria and Euphoria has a lot of sexualized teen content, so it's like calling it Euphoria. So they're going back and forth, back and forth. So after you talk about the show, yeah, yeah got it okay.

Speaker 3: 35:50

Yeah, so after that on friday night no, maybe it was saturday morning drake drops family matters and it is a heater and he goes after Kendrick and the V. He has a video for it and in the video they're like towing this van. That looks like the van that was on Kendrick's first album and they tow it and they crush it Like it's like he actually handled his business, unfortunately for him. And this is where I told my son I was like this is where Kendrick was on some Sun Tzu shit. Like I was like what the fuck? Kendrick drops his response 20 minutes later, like the internet had not fully gotten to family matters before.

Speaker 3: 36:48

Everybody was talking about Meet the Grahams and Drake's last name is Graham and in Meet the Grahams and Boss brought it up. He starts the song by addressing the man's son, my son and I because so, oh, let me paint this picture for you. So it's Saturday morning and I come, my son comes, bounding up the steps. He's like all right, I was like I was listening what's happening? Because I hadn't heard the songs yet. Like I just saw everybody was going crazy. So I'm like what? And he starts. So he's starting to tell me.

Speaker 3: 37:22

I'm like all right, he starts playing Meet the Grahams and the minute he starts out addressing the son, alex and I turn to each other like oh my God, that shit is so disrespectful. Like he's sunning you To sun. Somebody is like to pat, essentially emotionally to pat somebody on their head, like I'm sunning you so to sun. Somebody is like to pat, essentially emotionally to pat somebody on their head like I'm sunning you. He's sun drake so hard that he was like you know what, I'll just be your son's dad. Like your son needs a dad, let me, let me be so. It's so fucking disrespectful. Go ahead, boy, go ahead it it's.

Speaker 4: 38:04

I was listening, I was trying to prepare, I was trying to study for this to make sure that I was as alpha's uh, middle-aged white woman can be, and there was a line in there where he's still addressing adonis the child, saying, uh, I wish your grandfather wore a condom and I, I like, I was shocked, but then also the laugh that escaped me, like he like he he is telling this kid it would have been better if both you and your father had never been born if we just could just wipe it all away yeah, we're just he.

Speaker 4: 38:39

He says to drake's father denn Dennis, you raised a terrible human being.

Speaker 3: 38:48

Yeah, something.

Speaker 4: 38:49

I should look up the exact line, but yeah he's talking to Sandra, who is Drake's mom, and he's like your son sucks, your son is the fucking worst. It's wild. I didn't know any of this background. I just knew that there's a line about how I will uh, say shit to you that will make your computer cry, and that was what this was like. There must drake's computer must have started crying when he had to listen to it.

Speaker 3: 39:16

He methodically, he basically writes letters to each of these people. Each verse is a letter to a member of Drake's family, like breaking it down, the last of which is to an alleged 11-year-old daughter who no one knew about. So, if this shit is true, not only has he created this absolute evisceration of a song, but he ends it by spilling tremendous tea that this guy, who has already been busted for hiding one child, is, he's saying, actually hiding yet another child who is even older than the first child we knew about. So you're such a horrible fucking father that even after you were exposed for being a horrible father, you continued to be a horrible father. So this is like the context.

Speaker 3: 40:13

Again, though I think it's really important in the broader conversation of this is that the actual debate here, I think matters a lot and I think plays into the whole virtue vice thing that I see over all of this, because I was watching the Daily Show, so I don't want to say I'm the only one thinking this part, but Josh Johnson did a piece on this beef and he pointed out sorry, he pointed out that the argument is like yo, you're a pedophile, yo, you're a wife beater Like. The argument is you're a bad man, no, you're a bad man, which is a new argument, kind of in hip hop, and I think that is significant and that's part of why, when I reached out to y'all about this and said, no, actually, actually, I think it fits into what we've all been talking about wait a second.

Speaker 2: 41:08

Why is that? Is it? Because it used to be. I'm a bad man. Well, yeah, surely, or yeah, it wasn't the, the, the, the.

Speaker 3: 41:15

The apex of to me, what I see is the apex of manhood at the end of the vice road is not being a good father or anything like that. It's partying and all the women in the world and all the money in the world and all the things in the world and materialism and whatever. Not making sure your son is properly taught. And you know, in another verse, you know, kendrick goes into a whole thing about like teaching him how to pray. You don't know about that. He's telling him. You don't know about being a father. I am busy being a father, so that's why you don't hear from me for a long time, but you don't know about being a father, so that's why you're confused as to what is going on.

Speaker 3: 42:01

I'm going to take a sidestep here on, and I think so. I'm going to take a sidestep here. I'm of the opinion, societally beyond Drake and Kendrick, and I think it plays into Juliana's point about why we love Ted Lasso, and I think it plays into in the United States, I think it plays into the choice between Biden and Trump in 2020 and again in 2024. I'm really serious about this, about which way are we going to go as men and, in a way, what does that mean? For which way are we going to go societally? And I think, for those of us who are like, yeah, no, we should be good fathers Like the Nick Cannon model no, that's what I'm hearing from Drake. I'm hearing from Drake, the Nick Cannon model. It's not cute, it's not funny and it's not fucking okay. And that's in many ways.

Speaker 2: 42:53

What does that mean? Oh, I'm sorry.

Speaker 3: 42:54

Nick Cannon notoriously has like a ton of kids with just a slew of women and his defense, or whatever, is like oh well, I give money. Basically, I support them, but to me, more and more people are going no, we're going to need men to be better than that, and I think that the fact that all of this comes through on the heels of man versus bear Look, I don't think any of this is planned, but I think and this is something I wrote to a friend of mine Kendrick didn't pierce the zeitgeist. He held it in his hand, put it in his mouth and spit it at us and I was like god damn, I mean, he's got it all in there. It's the culture, it's. I mean. I was like so anyway, all right, so back to back, back back to the piece with Meet the Grams For him. Like you don't at one point.

Speaker 3: 43:58

This is an old story, wouldn't even have been told on here, I don't think. But this guy like, saw my wife at a dance studio that all our kids were in. Saw my wife leave my son in a car. My all our kids were in. Saw my wife leave my son in a car. My son was like 13. He was not like an infant. This guy called the police, though. Yeah.

Speaker 3: 44:24

It was like a whole and at the time actually funny enough 13 months, no years Exactly.

Speaker 3: 44:31

Exactly At the time, funny enough, I atlanta directing a movie so I couldn't luckily, actually, I think I wasn't nearby because I would have been. I and I was. I was angry enough that I told a guy become really good friends with on set, like one of the actors ever, and we we had established that we had similar upbringings. And I told him what happened and he looked at me and I was like, oh, I'm gonna deal with it when I get home and he was like okay. I was like, oh, don't you worry, like this one, I will put this one in my back pocket. That will be addressed. So when I came back around, I saw the guy and I was like yo, we gotta talk, man, you need to mind your motherfucking business. You don't call cops on black people.

Speaker 3: 45:12

He started talking, slick to me and he said something to Daphne. Like you know, she shouldn't be leaving. I said hey, listen to me, you talk to me. You don't talk to her. Don't talk to her again. You understand.

Speaker 3: 45:24

We started talking some more, going back and forth. He turned to her again. I said what did I just motherfucking tell you? Didn't I just motherfucking tell you you don't talk to her. I said don't listen, man. I'm not going to tell you that shit again. Do not address her again. You never speak to her. I said if the building on fire let her burn, don't ever fucking talk to her again.

Speaker 3: 45:43

Holy shit, right. So like you don't talk. Like for him to get on a song and for six minutes, be like I'm going to go through your children and your parents and just fucking demolish. It's so disrespectful. And he did it not on a bouncy track or an aggressive track. It's almost like talking. It's really like. Alright, jokes aside, guys, I really, uh, I really need to talk to you, aubrey. You're a piece of shit and uh, everything you're about is bullshit. But it was like wait what? And you have children you don't take care of, and your mother must be so ashamed and your father must be too, and he's kind of a piece of shit too. If we're all honest with us, like what the fuck is this all right, so he drops that, everybody's like god damn. But then, when we're all like, what's Drake gonna say? No one will ever know, because that's when they not like us dropped. And it was like how long?

Speaker 3: 46:51

after that, hours it wasn't long hours, yeah, like hours, like hours. I'm telling like it was crazy because I know it was within the day because alex's birthday was the next day. Alex is my son, so alex's birthday was next day. So I know the morning he came up and we talked and by the evening he went to dinner with his buddies and they were hanging out and I went downstairs to mess with him because they, not like us, had come out and this will be a transition to talk about that song. And I was messing with him because I make beats and stuff, just messing around. He makes beats he's way ahead of me, like he's got all kinds of software and he's way like he's very, he's, he's excellent, I'm fucking around and um, so I come downstairs.

Speaker 3: 47:38

Like real serious, when they were little kids I used to I made, like when they were like two, three, four, each year for their birthday we made cds as one of the giveaways like the you know give. People came to the party and I made songs for them a couple of those years, like I actually made rap songs, like for my kids, right, so a little cute little thing we would put. At the end we still have a.

Speaker 3: 47:58

Oh, yeah, yeah you would yeah, of course, coach. So we, you know, we've you know. So it was just like a fun thing. So I come downstairs, like you understand, the next day he's turning 19. These are his buddies. Knows I'm, I'm fucking around and I go hey guys, you know, I, um, I know some of you around then some of you weren't, but, like when alex and maya were little, I would uh make them a song. And you know, I've just been feeling so wild that, like you know, you guys are getting older, or whatever. I decided to make a song for him and he comes out of his room because he wasn't in the room he was like he comes out of his room absolutely panic stricken and I'm like he's like, wait, what you're like, are you serious?

Speaker 3: 48:40

and I'm like, yeah, you know, I like I just you know. It's like about how much I love you and blah, blah. And he's looking at me like, oh my god, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And I'm like, oh yeah, I'm like like hold on, like you guys will hear it, and then I'll go, like you guys can hang out. I just want to play the song about how much I love you for everybody. It's like you can. He's like oh my God, please do not. And I press play and it's I see dead people, right, which is the beginning of they Not Like Us. His or Not Right, which is the beginning of they not like us. His not like us. His buddies fall out. He laughs and like walks away like he fucking jerk. But the song had been out for hours and all anybody in that room had to hear was I see dead people and everybody was in on the joke, like no one needed, like what's that? That like the song had been out for hours and it was like it's universally known. Okay, there's so much here, folks, I'm like racing right now. So let's talk. I want to walk through, talk about our deep dive podcast. Right, I want to walk through to some degree.

Speaker 3: 49:54

The lyrics did they not like us? Because the lyricism, the wordplay, the levels, like the man I don't use the word genius a lot intentionally, because I think it's totally abused and ridiculous and what this man is, a fucking genius. Like I didn't even understand. Like I thought I understood, like oh, he's got a pulitzer I listen to damn. By the way, for those of you who are curious at home how brilliant this man is damn, you can play the tracks forward and backward and the story makes sense. I don't know if everybody knows that. So if you go through his album Damn and you play the songs forward, it tells a certain story. If you play the songs in reverse order, it tells a story and both stories work. That's a fact.

Speaker 3: 50:51

And I did it because I was like bullshit and I took, I made a playlist and I just reversed the songs and I was like I will be motherfucking damned this guy, so that and that's where he was before and I think he has outdone himself this time. It clips that. Yeah, yeah, okay, right. So first of all, I'm. When I first heard the song by myself, I hear I see dead people. Immediately I'm like oh my god. I put I like I literally you can't see me uh, buttercups. But I immediately put my hands over my mouth like like, uh, like, uh, like, uh, like, uh. I don't know what to even call it, but like your mom, aghast at the thing you just said in front of company, like I was like oh right, Like this is how we're starting, like he's basically saying I'm going to murder you.

Speaker 3: 51:41

Now he's announcing I'm your, your dead man, walking OK.

Speaker 4: 51:47

As in the immortal words of Liz Lemon oh, you start with that.

Speaker 3: 51:51

Yeah, exactly Exactly Like if you start with that. Yeah, exactly exactly like if you start with icw, like holy shit, like what is about to happen. So the beat starts and it is. This beat is fire, right, like immediately I'm like bopping my head and I'm like god damn, mustard on the beat. Ho, I'm like, oh my god, he went and got dj muscle. I don't even know that much I had to go, but DJ Mustard is like he's so West Coast and he's so whatever To go get him for this. He's basically announcing I went to make a banger, check this out. So A Mustard on the beat. Ho, debo, any rap, nigga, he a free throw. So let me break that one down. Mustard on the beat. I just told you that debo is a character from the movie friday who is like the big bully that's zeus. If, for those of you know the actor, like he's the dude who hits a dude that makes chris tucker go you got knocked the fuck out, right.

Speaker 3: 52:47

So that's debo. So if you say you're gonna debo somebody, okay, he called. Then he calls drake a free throw, which is like goddamn, like not even a. Say you're going to de-bow somebody, okay. Then he calls Drake a free throw, which is like goddamn, not even a layup, you're a free throw. Man down, call an ambulance, tell him breathe, bro, I'm going to hit this motherfucker so hard, try to keep him alive.

Speaker 3: 53:05

Nail a nigga to the cross. He walk around like Tizo, which I didn't even know. Tizo, apparently Tizo's this guy who has nails and whatever. So Tizo, which I didn't even know. Tizo Apparently Tizo is this guy who has like nails and whatever. So I'm like he's now. He's just having a good time. What's up with these jabroni ass niggas trying to see Compton? Drake made a video in Compton and in a way, like you got like when you, there's a whole thing about where you can be and where you can walk Like. So when I was a kid, this is a real thing that became a cultural thing more broadly in the music when I was a kid. I grew up in Flatbush, as I've said, I grew up in Brooklyn, but there were places where I was like fuck, I had to look fucking.

Speaker 1: 53:45

Brownsville.

Speaker 3: 53:47

Oh man, some shit could happen to me in Brownsville. You know what I mean? I'm not from over there, god damn. And I had a friend who lived in Bed-Stuy. She's the one who told me oh no, you met Biggie. I met Biggie at some point. He wasn't Biggie yet, but when I used to go to their block I had it in my back pocket that if somebody said something to me, I could immediately say that her big sister, who was in with all that. I could say, oh, I'm going to see Denise, and that was not even my friend, that's her big sister, just so it would be like don't rob me, don't whoop my ass, I'm allowed to be here, I have permission to be on this block and I was aware I might have to say that shit. I didn't have to say it ever, but it was a possibility and they gave me that Like oh, by the way, before I came over the first time that passcode.

Speaker 3: 54:40

Right. If anybody says anything to you, tell them you're going to see Denise, so it's like that. So when somebody says, like I could walk in your town, like they're kind of flexing, like they're like of flexing, like they're like I can come and go as I motherfucking please, right, so that's kind of what drake by being in compton and acting the way he is toward kendrick, who's from compton, there's some disrespect there, like there's a little. You know, he's definitely like flaunting his face, like I walk in your town with no problem, right where is um?

Speaker 2: 55:10

where is drake from?

Speaker 3: 55:11

drake is is from Toronto, which is also significant. What part?

Speaker 2: 55:17

of it.

Speaker 1: 55:19

There is a hip hop scene in Toronto.

Speaker 3: 55:21

But it sure as fuck ain't Compton like it's not.

Speaker 1: 55:26

They're equivalent, they're thought of as like equally hard.

Speaker 3: 55:31

It's not Mayberry, but it's not. It is not fucking Compton, right, All right.

Speaker 4: 55:36

So Drake is from Toronto. I mean, I'm sorry, toronto, that's fucking hilarious. Toronto, brooklyn, yeah, toronto.

Speaker 3: 55:42

But listen again, but even the Toronto, like he even is like. First of all, let me just say this Right, now.

Speaker 1: 55:54

Not Like Us is the number one song in Toronto.

Speaker 3: 55:55

So I'm like Drake go away for a while, like just this is horrible.

Speaker 2: 55:57

This is terrible. This is not an indictment of our Canadian friends. No, no, no, no. I'm just saying like, in the context, of a rap conversation.

Speaker 3: 56:03

Compton is Compton. I mean like it's Compton. I mean you know like it's, you know it's the epicenter of the West Coast. I mean yeah, there's very few areas that could even bother being a conversation with Compton like that. So anyway, they go on. The industry can hate me, fuck them all and they mama.

Speaker 3: 56:22

So at this point he's like if you line up with Drake, you can get somebody to smoke too. Then he says how many ops you really got? So an op basically is like an agent, right. It's like you're not like how many fake motherfuckers are in your crew is the question. And he says I mean it's too many options. So he does the wordplay of ops and options and he's like you are surrounded by ops, like nobody in your crew really fucks with you, like nobody in your crew really fucks with you. And then he says I'm a fit, I'm finna. Pass on this body. I'm john stockton. John stockton is the nba assist leader of all time. So he says I'm passing on this body. He's pat. Oh my god, he's killing drake's body. He he's also moving past Drake's body and he's bodying to body somebody basically like you killed them, right. So he's body in the whole crew and he's passing on them. So John Stockton, the assist leader. But somebody pointed out Stockton is a place in California.

Speaker 2: 57:33

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 57:34

What the fuck yo? What is happening? How does your brain do this?

Speaker 2: 57:45

What percentage of these references are intentional?

Speaker 3: 57:48

Well, that's a question, right, that is a question that is coming up right, and here's my take on it, because a lot of people are saying People interpreting they have the time to think and make connections Right.

Speaker 2: 57:59

It's like no different than the white version of obsessive rap, which is Game of Thrones, where people just take and be like I know, if you look deep enough, hurt she might have been the cousin of this and you're like, uh-huh, okay, that's not, but here's my no, you're.

Speaker 3: 58:19

You're a hundred percent. And I'm sure that there are pieces of this that people are bringing out that like, excuse me, it's not gonna. You know he didn't intend, but here's. Here's where I land on that. On some level, doesn't that underscore his genius? Yes, you know what I'm saying. Like if he wrote this and he meant half of the entendres and and we are able to connect all these other dots, like what's your brain do? Like how, like you, just you just happen to pick the NBA assist leader whose last name is also a city in California when you are claiming your territory in a song. Like if your brain did that by mistake, holy fucking shit. Like you know what I mean.

Speaker 4: 59:08

Yeah, there's a difference between doing something consciously and doing something intentionally Like even if he wasn't undersure about the connection that he was making. There's some part of him that was like yeah, this will work.

Speaker 3: 59:21

These lyrics work. So I'll jump down, because literally every line I'm like oh my God, so we go a little further. He calls himself Certified boogeyman. And then the certified matters, because um drake calls himself certified love a boy. So that certified, this certified. That is going to come up later.

Speaker 2: 59:45

I I also do that different exactly who did among us has it right. It's like what are you talking about, Boss? I don't want you to think of me as also certified.

Speaker 4: 59:57

I will not. I don't want you to say that word at me right now.

Speaker 2: 1:00:02

Certified lover boy Next time. Yeah, anybody yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:00:06

So we go, we go. Now, here we go. Say Drake, I hear you like them, young, you better not ever go to cell block one. Now I don't know if everybody knows, but certainly an american prison system is a known thing that if what you're in there for is taking advantage of a minor, it's not going to be a very pleasant stay for you inside, right. So like, so, like he's basically like not only am I calling you a pedophile, but I'm letting you know, like if they ever get ahold of you, you're in trouble. So then he says to any bitch that talked to him and they, in love, just make sure you hide your little sister from them.

Speaker 1: 1:00:48

Like come on man.

Speaker 3: 1:00:49

Damn Right, so he. So he lays that down. He's like you are a straight up pedophile, groomer. We all know about you sending private messages to underage girls. Very nice of you to be so sweet to a 14 year old. You fucking creep.

Speaker 3: 1:01:08

He goes through his whole crew insulting them Half of these names. He goes through his whole crew insulting them Half of these names. I had no idea. I'm asking. By the way, I will share this. Even at one point he references Zah In context. I was like it's a drug reference, but I'm not in the street, I don't know what Zah is, I'm not sure. And I texted. So I had to text my own son find out what's going on in these streets. And I was like Zai equals weed. And he wrote me back with like a laughing emoji. He was like yes, Zai equals weed. I'm like, oh, poor dad. So so there's all these references, but like we're, we're, we're, we're learning all this stuff now. But then he gets the end of this whole verse about the crew and he says certified lover boy, certified pedophiles, and off that he just goes. Fuck him up. Like he's like I am whooping your ass and I'm gonna give the sound effects of the ass whooping. I am in the process of killing you like what is what?

Speaker 3: 1:02:11

i'ma fuck him up, wop, wop, wop, wop, wop, i'ma do my stuff. Then he says why are you trolling like a? Okay, now, there's built-in misogyny here. I'm not arguing that there isn't, so I'm just gonna like call that out. It's part of like this is so beyond any polite conversation that okay, oh good, built-in misogyny I get, I know, and I'm not not paying attention to it, and we can definitely come back and address it because it's fucked up. Why you trolling like a bitch? Ain't you tired trying to strike a chord and it's probably a minor? And then he holds a minor for like two full bars. Like no one will ever forget that line and people will say it, lines like that in hip-hop the DJ kills the sound and the crowd yells it and for the rest of time that will be yelled.

Speaker 4: 1:03:06

If I could step in very quickly and do a white people translate thing. This is when you shout, sweet Caroline.

Speaker 3: 1:03:14

Yes, that's what this will be 100% perfect.

Speaker 2: 1:03:17

I was going to say get laid, get fucked, but yeah, no, that's it.

Speaker 3: 1:03:22

That's funny. So then the chorus they not like us. This is part of what I think is amazing about this, one of the things I think is amazing about this song, part of what I think is amazing about this. One of the things I think is amazing about this song beef has has often become territorial.

Speaker 3: 1:03:39

Most people who are aware of rap at all would know about east coast, west coast with biggie and tupac, but like it tends to be, re like regions, have you know, becomes like you know, you rep your region. What I think kendrick did here is he says first of all, I have a real region. I don't go to Atlanta and sound like the Atlanta dudes and then go to Houston, sound like the Houston dudes. I'm California, I'm LA, I'm Compton, everybody knows it. This song is dripping with West Coast. This song smells like the pacific ocean, like it's unbelievable. This is so fucking west coast.

Speaker 3: 1:04:19

But then he basically he and he, he broadens it and he basically says actually, the culture is my region, it's all mine, I'm claiming all the land and you have to go. And so they not like us is like, oh shit. And the minute he said it I realized he's cutting Drake off from the culture. And there's a biggie line. This is when other rap lyrics are coming to me. You thought I was fucking around before I'm telling you this shit is deep. There's a Biggie line where he's in the what that he did with Method man and he says I make it hot. Niggas won't even stand next to you, and that's basically what Kendrick did with this song. So we go in now. Now, one of the things he's excommunicating it.

Speaker 2: 1:05:09

He's excommunicating it 100%, but from the rap culture and black culture.

Speaker 3: 1:05:16

I would say, to some degree that's what he's going for. He is going for the absolute kill shot here culturally. So one of the things that Drake did it's a high stakes game, so it was a high stakes move. It ended up blowing up in his face His song Family Matters, he matters.

Speaker 3: 1:05:34

He uses ai voiced tupac and ai voiced snoop, basically to bait kendrick, because kendrick had not said anything and I forget how many days since um drake's last diss. So in that that song, basically Tupac and Snoop, ai chide Kendrick like you're letting us down, you're supposed to be the next step in West Coast and you look like you're losing bro. So this is deep disrespect. If I had been in Drake's crew, I'd have been like I don't know about that Pac shit man. Like I don't know if I would do that Right, but he did it, he did it. Okay, you went for it. So you think the Bay gonna let you disrespect Pac nigga Like he's like do you understand what you just did? Do you understand what the streets are gonna think? Understand what you just did? Do you understand what the streets are gonna think of what you just did? I think that oakland show gonna be your last stop, nigga, like, basically, if you go to oakland, do that show, that's gonna be where you die. They are gonna be like the streets are coming.

Speaker 3: 1:06:44

So he's now like you can't walk anywhere in california. I already let you know you can't walk here and you can't walk up north either. You can't be in California anymore Off limits. Did Cole Fowl? I didn't know. You still pretended he goes through all this stuff about the different. And then I want to go down to where he says be rad, sans for rich. And you, malibu most wanted, like he's really, like he's casting him, like that was he's casting him, like that was a comedy. Malibu Most Wanted was a comedy.

Speaker 4: 1:07:18

Yeah, a comedy specifically about Jamie Kennedy, the white man trying to co-opt black culture in order to make himself look cool and fun. I mean what?

Speaker 2: 1:07:31

I've tried to do the same thing. It's really difficult. It's a tough thing to pull off.

Speaker 3: 1:07:35

yeah, so he goes on and what they'll do to them and I realize what they'll do to them. But I want to go to two more things and we can talk about it some other time. He calls him out. Lil Wayne, who basically put Drake on, brought him into the music industry, essentially when Wayne went to jail or prison. I forget the details, but when he went to jail Drake fucked one of Wayne's girls. Basically I don't know all the details of it, but I do remember seeing an interview where Wayne made some reference to it and apparently and I don't know all the details of it, but I do remember seeing an interview where Wayne made some reference to it and apparently and I don't know all the details of it, but somewhere there's a tattoo that Drake got in apology. So he references that and he says fuck on Wayne girl while he was in jail. That's conniving Then get his face tatted like a bitch apologize and so I'm like, oh dear, like this is just so personal and so deep, so he's just eviscerating them Like as far as California, you're done, bro. And then the last rhyme he starts breaking down how all the people in Atlanta basically built Drake's style for him and he goes through artist by artist.

Speaker 3: 1:08:54

Future when you didn't see the club. Little Baby helped you get your lingo up. 25 Sat gave you fall street cred. Young Thug made you feel like you was slime in your head, which I'm looking up. Swine Quavo said you can be from the west side.

Speaker 3: 1:09:10

2 Chainz say you good, you good, but he lied basically. So if you were thinking that to get a hot song to come back after me, you were gonna go down to atlanta and get with your boys, I basically just fucking cut that cord because if you come out with a song from them, you are affirming this verse so now you can't go to california and you can't go to atlanta. Like he's cutting him off from everybody. This is michael corleone settle family business on a record. And then I want to point out, at the end he starts going he a fan, he a fan, he a fan. So when I first heard that I was like oh my god. He's like saying you're not real, like you heard rap music and you're a fan and you just come in here like on some fake shit. But then he flips that and he calls him freaky ass nigga and he goes freaky ass nigga, he a 69 god, so drake calls himself the six god.

Speaker 2: 1:10:12

right, because people call toronto the six I also call myself that there's so many so many great things that you, so when he calls himself a what he calls himself the six god.

Speaker 3: 1:10:26

So basically he's the god from toronto, right? But what what drake has done? I mean what what um kendrick has done here? One he take, he insults him and calls him a fan, but he also, like, creates makes that an acronym so you'll never forget it, or what it means. And then he takes away like what you say about yourself, you can never say I'm the sixth god again, because you won't be done saying it before. I think of 69 God and your pedophilia, so he's like you can't even say that anymore.

Speaker 2: 1:10:58

What is the cultural sort of? Why is this 69 bad?

Speaker 3: 1:11:07

culturally. Well, I think that part is just like you're just about sex with these young girls. Okay, got it. But it's also kind of it's a little bit, and this matters.

Speaker 2: 1:11:17

I thought it was like a go ahead. I think you're going to say what I thought it was.

Speaker 3: 1:11:22

Well, we should come to it Because there's a professor who has done like several videos. He apparently has been doing shit all this time, but I just became aware of him through the stuff he's been doing about this beef and he points out this is not, I mean, for all the brilliant lyrics I broke down. This is very juvenile, honestly. This part is and he said in a very sing-songy way, he's mocking Drake. This last part he's like this is how your songs sound and I'm like, oh my God.

Speaker 1: 1:12:04

Yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 3: 1:12:06

Because at the end, because the part that really got me was when he said then step this way, then step that way, step this way, then step that way, step this way, step that way. And drake has had so always like step with your right, like the dance songs that people dance to in the club, but basically kedrick is like get out of here with that bubble gum shit man using his own language against it, like making it even more juvenile, making it like he's, like this is how you get down.

Speaker 3: 1:12:35

And at the end he says are you my friend? Are we locked in To the rhythm? And I promise you I have no evidence of this and I'm not sure that I ever could get any I promise you that when they were on tour, I promise you, when they were on tour, drake used to ask people if they were locked in. I would bet a lot of my own money on that.

Speaker 1: 1:13:00

Because I'm like what the?

Speaker 3: 1:13:01

fuck is he talking about?

Speaker 1: 1:13:04

I think that whole last section is just him. It's just like.

Speaker 3: 1:13:10

So anyway, I know I probably sound like a whole lunatic, but I mean, I mean, I am of the opinion, I hate hot takes and I hate when, the minute somebody has a good game in the nba, people are like is so-and-so the goat? I'm like I don't even know what that person looks like, so probably not, um, but I seriously think drake may have established himself as a goat.

Speaker 3: 1:13:40

Drake I mean no, kendrick very much, not drake, but I think kendrick may have established himself yeah, I think kendrick, like I, I honestly, and I'm talking about love Biggie, love Jay-Z, Like I've there are names that people don't know that much about Big L unbelievable, Like there's. Like I'm telling you I've been here the first record I ever bought was Rapper's Delight. Like I'm telling you, like this is my life and I have never seen any shit like this. This song, like everything about it, is amazing the snaps, the drums, the horns. Like the baseline is sick, the baseline is ridiculous. I'm like what? Like don't listen to it on your phone, Like just through your phone speakers. Like it's almost.

Speaker 3: 1:14:34

It's like one time somebody was talking about Whitney Houston, or anyway, I'll bring it around to what I said, which is like Whitney Houston smoking cigarettes and doing coke was like leaving the red violin out in the rain. That's where. So that was something I said. That's a great quote. Oh, you said that, yeah, and so here I would say that just listening to this song on your phone speakers equivalent disrespect, Put it like, get some quality earbuds or headphones and just listen to. Don't even listen to the lyrics for one time through, Just listen to how fucking good the track is. Before you deal with a word, the man says it's. I don't know that anything is perfect, but if there's ever been a perfect rap song, this is it. Minus and I'm not saying this is a triviality the misogyny and that does need to be addressed. It does need to be addressed and I think we should address it, but right now I'm busy, just marveling at this fucking genius yeah, yeah, but sorry, all right.

Speaker 3: 1:15:38

Sorry, coach, you still have to say something on no, no, I.

Speaker 2: 1:15:41

I would say uh, in the interest of, of, um, sort of limiting any recency bias, um, if you can project forward to five years from now, would you change anything? Are you overly fanboying this song? Or, like you actually will think you know what? I'll also defend this five years from now.

Speaker 3: 1:16:04

If this is no, this is what I would say will I still like? That's why I was like with the goat thing and like is this the greatest ever song ever? I?

Speaker 2: 1:16:14

think it was your cousin that told you. Your cousin told you this is the best night in the history of hip hop, or something like that.

Speaker 3: 1:16:21

Oh, yeah, a friend of mine who lives across the street. Because, again, I hadn't heard this stuff yet. I just knew something was going on. I'm a 50-year-old family man, so I'm outside whacking weeds literally that's what I was doing. The guy walked up but he said that he and his brother said this is the greatest night in hip hop. And after listening to this and having spent, I said yes, friday May 3rd, that night into Saturday May 4th, 2024 was the single greatest night in hip hop, and I don't think it's particularly added in it. And 20 in 24. That's the thing I thought. I didn't know it still has that kind of yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:16:57

Yeah, I thought it was had maybe run its course.

Speaker 3: 1:16:59

I thought a little bit, or I thought I, in terms of this level of like like that level right yeah to excite me to the point where I'm like I am rearranging how I will be spending my free time for the foreseeable future, because Because I have to dig into this it's a cultural phenomenon. Listen, I'm 51. My kid is 19. And my friends are going crazy about this, and his friends are going crazy, like that's not normal. That's not normal, that's not a thing. You do a lot of partying with your parents. Compare the lyrics. No, like that's not a thing. You do a lot of partying with your parents compared to lyrics. No, like that's not a thing. What Really? No, really. Yes for you, boss.

Speaker 4: 1:17:43

I've been to concerts with Kathy.

Speaker 3: 1:17:45

But would you say like you're equally invested in the artists?

Speaker 4: 1:17:50

Or the songs.

Speaker 3: 1:17:51

You know what I mean.

Speaker 4: 1:17:52

No, probably not. I think probably watching her do her older white lady grapevine dance to Ants Marching. It's not the same investment. You see what I'm saying.

Speaker 3: 1:18:05

But I've had stuff like that with my kids too. They've had stuff like that. We went to see Nas years ago and I warned my kids. I was like and who is nas is like one of the greatest rappers ever, like he has given us multiple classic albums and like he had a huge beef with jay-z. That's another class. Like people are comparing this to that because it's like another classic showdown and not like. I took my kids and I was like okay, there's a song about to start called Life's a Bitch, and you're gonna hear Papa do a lot of cursing. I did. I said it just like that because I was like there's zero fucking chance I'm gonna be watching Nas live and not yell this at the top of my like sorry, kids, time to grow up. Like I was.

Speaker 3: 1:18:49

Like it's happening, it's going down that's amazing but yeah, no like, but that was my music, that I was exposing them to, or whatever, but for us to be simultaneously like holy shit. So next episode we'll talk about bbl drizzy. If you have time, look it up quickly.

Speaker 3: 1:19:11

Metro, who I mentioned in the beginning of all this, is a uh, is a producer, and drake in uh I want to say it was family matters has a rhyme where he's like dissing all these people and he says to metro why don't you go uh, make some drums like? He dismisses him like you're not even an mc. What the fuck is you going to do in all of this? Get the fuck out. Basically, he's like you ain't even, you're not even worth this being in this conversation. He tells him to go make some drums, like, basically, like go play with your little beat. So Metro did. He went and made another fucking heater called BBL Drizzy, because the BBL is like basically a plastic surgery to give like a bubble butt basically. And the rumor is that Drake has gotten all this plastic surgery. So the I'm sorry, coach, because I know you gotta go. Give me 60 more seconds.

Speaker 3: 1:20:13

No, no, no, no, no, i'm'm good I'm good I'm actually I'm fine, I'm just reacting to so, bbl drizzy, let me see if I can find these lyrics real fast, because this shit and it's so disrespectful like you just laugh. So he got like a very soulful singer, so it sounds like it's an old, like r&b song, but there's no goddamn way. Um and I. I found out later that a comedian had created this and they sampled it, so it was kind of cool because Metro retweeted the guy's tweet to give him all this shine. They're not missing a note here. They're like we are of the culture. The people will love us and hate Drake. So, bbl Drizzy, hear the lyrics.

Speaker 3: 1:20:52

I'm thicker than a snicker. I'm thicker than your ninja. Don't act like you don't know me. These yams deserve a trophy. I'm like come on, yo, these yams deserve a trophy. I'm like this is so disrespectful.

Speaker 3: 1:21:09

Got the best BBL in history. This cake will make you show up. I know you've seen this glow up. Let me break that down. Yams ass cheeks. So as soon as you look at me, right, okay, got the best bbl in history. Like. He's like women do this surgery like this is not a guy, a thing guys do. So he's like I have the greatest. Like as a dude, I'm the best of these bubble butts. Basically this cake more ass reference will make you show up. I know you've seen this glow up, so basically I know you enjoyed me coming back looking all pretty from the plastic surgeon.

Speaker 3: 1:21:49

So not only did he put out this beat, which is fire, but he put the word out that anybody can use it. He's given the world permission to make remixes of this song. The best one will win $10,000 and a free beat from Metro. Like a free beat, for Metro is like a million dollar gift, but you're going to be famous. If you win this and you get to make the song on the free, you're now going to be a famous person. So every MC in the land is going to be creating Drake diss tracks. This shit is diabolical. Yo, I'm like what the fuck? Like he, he. They basically are going to create a trend Like it's not just that we are dissing you.

Speaker 3: 1:22:43

It's like a cottage industry A cottage industry and there's a second, and now they added a second place. So second place gets a beat and first place gets 10,000 plus a beat. So, so, second place gets a beat and first place gets 10,000 plus a beat. So look forward to at least the summer at like, at a minimum. All summer, every rapper, everybody knows, is going to be putting out a BBL Drizzy song, because you could fucking win. He created a lottery. He created a Dis Drake lottery. Ladies and gentlemen, I've lived through all the years of hip-hop.

Speaker 2: 1:23:23

I've seen the pyramids of Giza. I have looked down into the Grand Canyon.

Speaker 3: 1:23:29

I've never seen anything like this. Somebody said that he invented the instrumental. I laughed for about 15 minutes. The instrumental, that's.

Speaker 3: 1:23:39

That's very good that's really good like but it's true, it is so good. The song is actually like again, like it's not just that they made fun of you and it's funny, it is actually quality. The artistry of the of this shit is really on another level. I drake may survive this alex, who's more dialed in than me because I'm I'm old man now, he's more dialed in than me. He said he thinks drake will survive because he'll still have his fans and they'll still come to his show. They'll still buy his shit, he said, but he will be stained. Like I was like do you think this is it? Like, is he? I'm going to say, is he Ja Rule?

Speaker 3: 1:24:22

Another hip hop artist, ja Rule got into a beef with 50 Cent or maybe vice versa. Really, 50 Cent went after Ja Rule and fucking demolished him. Like ended Ja Rule's career. Like that. Like ended Ja Rule's career. Like that's why Ja Rule is like doing Fire Island because he needed money. Like he's like he's he ended Ja Rule. Like he made Ja Rule into a joke and it was over. And I was like oh my God, is Drake Ja Rule? And my son was like nah, he'll survive. He said he'll be stained, he'll never be at the top again, but he thinks he'll survive. But I mean, this is potentially One person I said was like well, isn't this just mutual profit? And I was like nah, this is a high stakes game. You can both survive, like Jay-Z and Nas did, or you could both end up dead, like Tupac and Biggie did, like you've crossed out of like normal areas Like this could go any number of ways.

Speaker 3: 1:25:20

Like when I heard the rhyme I will be honest when I heard the rhyme about Oakland and Kendrick telling Drake about Oakland, I was like be careful, guys. Like as funny as I find this shit, I don't want to see Drake get shot. And like all you need is one fan to be like I'll be that motherfucking hero. So like be careful. But like this is like this is way beyond music. Now. Like I hear there are all sorts of music execs trying to like tamp this down because a lot of people been eating off Drake for a lot of years. You kill that bread. Like some folks gonna have to get new jobs and so apparently people are trying. But I'm like it's beyond any of that at this point. Like like this is not, this is not. Like this is not, this is yeah. Like we're. Like this is war, this is like true war. Like if I were drake real talk I wouldn't go to California for a while. All bullshit aside I would not step foot in California for a while.

Speaker 2: 1:26:28

That was my sense of it.

Speaker 3: 1:26:29

Seriously.

Speaker 2: 1:26:30

It feels like the Tupac and Big E seriously.

Speaker 2: 1:26:35

Here's the thing. I want to say this First of all. Thank you, my God, that was informative. I love every. I have every second. I have so many questions. I have so many middle-aged white boy questions that I can't even begin to to ask right now. Um, it may be that we have to do, I don't know. We may talk this, it all is phenomenal, but I was going to say what resonates with me is the virtue versus vice dichotomy and I think, when you're saying this, the way you articulated that made me have a visceral reaction to when I checked out of rap. I was like and I don't think I'm the only white boy that did that and you know what I mean in like a main way, where it's like oh, this is a core, something that I you know what I mean. So I'm like.

Speaker 2: 1:27:34

I want to explore that a little bit. But, um, a lot of what you say, especially, it's funny because I have articulated many, many times about the quality of your character, how, how, how much I admire you, how, how all of our peer groups, what's up to you and and you are tremendous, um and so and that you are, you are borderline ned flanders. When you're like in coach mode, you know like and then and then to see the other side, where you're like, you know if, if a building burning, letter, letter or like whatever letter burn yeah, I'm like so.

Speaker 2: 1:28:16

So it is fascinating to think about, like you know, in the same way we talked about how crazy the conflict in the Middle East is. It's like many things can be true at the same time, exactly, and that even is sort of epitomized by you, and how you break this down and all the different you think about the different versions of Coach Bishop, of Orlando Bishop that have coexisted inside this world of music all the way along. It's really, it really is fascinating and we really need like three or four more hours to to digest it. But I want to, I'm going to play around with this and I'm going to see, I'm going to reach out to some, some of our. We have some friends in the in the music industry. We have some really sharp musical minds like who can tell you everything?

Speaker 3: 1:29:03

I'm thinking of somebody I know you're thinking of right now. Yeah, who knows them all yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:29:08

And it's like maybe we explore a little bit more about this and how you know, the vast majority of our audience is probably not as well versed in rap, as you are Right, but it's interesting and it's culturally um informative and and it's like this is a, this is zeitgeist, this is, this is like something that affects everybody, whether it doesn't matter if you're from compton or not.

Speaker 3: 1:29:32

It really, it was on cbs morning news. Dude, yeah, this is what I'm saying it's insane, I couldn't.

Speaker 2: 1:29:38

And it's funny because my kids told I found out about from like and I tweeted like right away and I said oh no, actually I didn't tweet this one, I haven't been on Twitter, fuck Twitter but I but.

Speaker 2: 1:29:46

I've been like just texting my friends, uh little groups and stuff. But I remember when I first came I was like I was like, oh, my kids tell me there's a you know rap battle between Kendrick and Drake and I was like, I mean, as a uninformed person who knows a little bit about each of them, it seems like a tiger fighting a canary. But the thing with the speed of okay, this is a crazy reference.

Speaker 3: 1:30:11

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it may not work. That was interesting, yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:30:15

I had a bad divorce years ago, the worst divorce anyone's ever had in the history of the world.

Speaker 3: 1:30:21

I was there and that's a claim you could make. It was not good. I've never heard a worse divorce.

Speaker 2: 1:30:27

I've never heard somebody get more fucked, never the worst celebrity divorce you've ever heard. I got worse and since that moment, since I delivered papers to say I need to go my own way, it has been an attack fest on one side and I never say a bad word. I never. I always, actually, even to this day, I take the high road and I actually really want all the best for her and I want her to have a good life and all that stuff. And it feels like a version where you have such intimate knowledge of somebody and you're like, if you push me one more motherfucking time, I'm going to tell everybody everything.

Speaker 1: 1:31:15

You warned him.

Speaker 2: 1:31:16

I haven't I have never said it, but I can, and you don't want people to find out what you actually are all about and it felt like it was so easy. It's like when you're actually in the in crowd, right, and so producers, and you know you're at a party and you're just having a good time, and some guy says I worked with that motherfucker, here's what he did to me.

Speaker 2: 1:31:38

Now you have this you stow it away and then another guy goes, you know what, like oh yeah, he took my song with her little sister. Yeah right, all those little things you start and you're like so now you have this vast trove of ammunition and you're like I know he's not going to come after me because that would be insane, like in it would. It's almost too easy.

Speaker 3: 1:31:59

Yeah, he thought he was setting up Kendrick and Kendrick was like are you serious?

Speaker 2: 1:32:05

are you fucking kidding me? I know, you didn't just come after me, because that could not possibly be and there's lyrics.

Speaker 3: 1:32:12

I mean, like I said, there's so much to this. You're spot on with this because it's what it feels like in several of the tracks as this was building up. You could hear, I think, in Euphoria, at one point he makes a rhyme by oh, he says I make songs I may be getting this a little bit wrong I make songs that electrify them. You make songs that pacify them. And then he says there's a double meaning to that, but I'm not going to speak on it. That's my act of kindness. I'm not even trying to say the rhyme at that point. That's my act of kindness, like I'm not even trying to say the rhyme at that point. But if you think about what he said, you make rhymes that pacify them. Pacifiers are what you give babies like he so he's not only saying because so he lays out virtue and vice.

Speaker 3: 1:32:54

I make songs that electrify them. I make songs that give them energy, bring them up, elevate them. You make songs that put them to sleep. I'm'm for the woke, you're for the sleep, and don't make me explain the double entendre of using the word pacify there. So you're spot on when you say he told him and that's one example multiple times he was like you don't want to do this, bro, you don't want to do this, I have't want to do this I have so much.

Speaker 2: 1:33:24

That's what I. That's the. It came out so fast, it's so easy. You feel like there's probably three other songs, oh no there's five more songs.

Speaker 3: 1:33:31

I think that's my theory, because he says he says one, two, three, four, five, plus how many stocks. So I'm like stocks, wait, what's going on? And he says one, two, three, four, five, and he had released five to that point and then he goes plus five. So that's the other reason. When I was talking to alex, I was like if I was, if I was drake, I shut the fuck up. If he already has five more songs, like I would just shut the fuck up, like it's over, like it's over, you're dead. You're dead. Like, if he's a, like I don't. And I don't think it was a threat. I think part of why he took so long is he was like lining this shit up and he was like all right, if he plays nice, I'll release this, if he doesn't play nice, I'll release that. But I I believe him 100 that he's got five more songs. None of us have ever heard each one as deadly as everything we've heard already. I believe him.

Speaker 2: 1:34:32

They're Not Like Us. As a refrain, as a lyric, is crucifixion. It's unbelievable In musical form. So, anyway, I actually really want to keep talking about this. Here's the thing I'm a dad and my better half, juliana, is out of the state, so I got to go pick up kids from school. I wish we could continue this, but this is fascinating, absolutely fascinating.

Speaker 3: 1:35:00

For those of you who find this interesting, I will this there's a there and I'm going to talk. I haven't gotten to talk to coach. I actually did a trip of uh uh earlier this week and there is a broader conversation. I think ties in very much to the new manhood that we've been discussing in the context of ted lasso and I think plays into the man versus bear conference a guy actually in an unbelievable way. I feel like this battle also wraps itself around a lot of conversations that are happening right now and, I think, around a decision we're making around how we're going to be. So I think we could and should have more conversation about this and maybe broaden it, like you're saying.

Speaker 2: 1:35:45

Yeah, I feel like it is the confluence of a lot of themes and a lot of things that we've discussed put into sharp focus, so it's something we'll definitely talk about offline. Yes, thank you, coach. Thank you again. This was so exciting. I love your passion.

Speaker 1: 1:36:02

I feed off of it like a fucking, like one of those little eels that are symbiotic with a bigger fish, or something I'm just like.

Speaker 2: 1:36:11

Oh my God, I'm glad you enjoyed it, because I was like I'm totally just ranting really an amazing overview, and especially the the the philosophical sort of divergence is is is actually fascinating. Never heard it categorized like that. I've never heard that take it is. I want to know why. I want to know why. Why vice one out and, and and and we can talk about it.

Speaker 1: 1:36:39

That could be. That could be a whole episode.

Speaker 2: 1:36:41

And then and then how that impacted people like me who couldn't relate to that message. In the same way.

Speaker 2: 1:36:47

I remember how fast it went from I got myself like a I got a car, to now I got a fucking jet, yeah, and Cristal, yeah, and it went. It was fast. It was fast. I don't know this, but I feel like there was a market. God we got to go so fast. But I I feel like there was a market that was like, oh, we can't make things expensive enough. So so, because they knew there was like a new, it wasn't just rappers, but it was like, okay, we're gonna make a watch.

Speaker 2: 1:37:18

when I was a kid, I felt like the most expensive watch I ever heard of was five or ten thousand dollars yeah, yeah and now you can get like a two million dollars, just like, oh, the top, you know, whatever that is right you feel like was partially influenced by by this, this change, but, um, yeah, I don't know it's. Uh, it is amazing, um, and we'll definitely pick it up. Um, boss, thank you for being so quiet. My favorite episode.

Speaker 4: 1:37:44

Like if I knew, if I had known, I was trying to study, I was trying to research. While he was saying things I was like, all right, put that on the list.

Speaker 2: 1:37:54

Look that up later. All this, we're going to be a 100% rap podcast from now on. If this is my reward, no, boss, thank you. I'm working on getting all the videos, so we record video in conjunction with audio, and I'm working very, very hard. I've been working for months to try to get the video posted and I'm getting close to it.

Speaker 2: 1:38:20

It's a labor of love, but you didn't get to see boss's facial reactions to so many of the things, but it was like it was magical, just just from that, that standpoint. So, um yeah, um, thank you boss, um coach, uh, where do people find you if they want to find you?

Speaker 3: 1:38:36

Uh, I'm going to say this time around, I'm going to really point everybody to the, to the community, cause I I actually do plan, and now that I'm saying it out loud, I may make it a make it its own channel but I think we should, we should talk this out a little bit.

Speaker 2: 1:38:54

Yeah, I'll share the videos.

Speaker 3: 1:38:56

There's some stuff that's just hilarious. Like there are all sorts of skits Now people putting out skits of like you know, reaction shots of Drake's, like crew hearing they not like some very funny stuff? Oh, yeah, very like. Some stuff is like hysterically funny. But at any rate, yeah, come through, come through the community. This is a. There's a like I would not be surprised if, in five years, I would not be surprised if, in five years, coach Bishop has written a book that started with this weekend. Seriously, jesus, I'm that impacted.

Speaker 2: 1:39:39

My FM degree is staring at me like you got some shit to say, bro, my FM. It has been a little while since I've heard my degree whisper to me while I slept.

Speaker 1: 1:39:51

But my fm degrees man, hey, coach you.

Speaker 3: 1:39:53

There is that you degree I'm telling you I'm like you hear what's going on, man.

Speaker 2: 1:39:58

Oh, tell me you hear what's going on, man.

Speaker 3: 1:40:00

Tell me. You hear what's going on. Oh my God, so yeah, so anyway, thank you, thank you for knowing to do this, because you knew immediately. You knew immediately, you said it right away and I'm so glad we have. I actually want to re-listen to this because I was just so fired up.

Speaker 2: 1:40:14

I don't even know half the shit, I just said, but yeah, it's really great to join the community, folks, all you have to do is um is uh, go to the subscription link in in any of our episodes, any episode there's always a thing that says support the show. Click on it and uh and uh. Once you give I think the minimum is three bucks a month to try to help us keep the lights on and, bam, you get an invite to the community. Uh, boss, where do people find you if they want to find?

Speaker 4: 1:40:40

you. I'm also using my advanced degree in accounting apparently to write a book about social. No, I'm not doing any of that, but you can find me on threads While they're writing a book on accounting.

Speaker 2: 1:40:52

It's equally riveting to the they're not like us, but in my case I'm talking about tax cheats.

Speaker 4: 1:41:02

You're forgetting that probably years ago at this point, I made a joke about writing a self-help book using accounting principles called Accounting for Yourself.

Speaker 2: 1:41:11

Oh yeah, no, you did and.

Speaker 4: 1:41:13

Bishop said that you tried to get me to write it for a little bit. I'm not going to, but anyway, you can find me on Threats.

Speaker 3: 1:41:19

Thank, God, I have so much quit in me.

Speaker 4: 1:41:23

Sorry you, but anyway you can find me on threads um I have so much sorry, so much quick ridiculing men who don't understand the bear thing yet. Uh, that is emilychambers.31 absolutely and also I. I did dip back into the community. I tried to catch up, so I will be there also seriously, I will.

Speaker 3: 1:41:36

I will say that um following you on threads is a good time and I highly recommend it like I'm not putting a lot of stuff on threads, but I am enjoying being on there because I see stuff from you and I'm you, you, you.

Speaker 2: 1:41:49

It's a good time I, I, I professionally make fun of boss um and I will agree 100 with that. I, I, uh, I adore everything she's about um, and it's always a good time, and somehow I was cursed to immediately just adore her from the second we met and it makes no sense, got her hooks in me. It made me laugh so fucking hard. So many times I was like God damn it, who is this fucking crazy person? Um, and years later, um later, I get to poke fun for real almost every day. Thank you, boss, thank you coach, thank you everyone for listening, thank you, thank you. Thank you for being part of our community, for being a Buttercup, for helping us Shout out to the king of the Buttercups who lives in the Toronto, greater Toronto area, jeff.

Speaker 3: 1:42:44

This in no way impacts. Check on. Check on drake man check on him.

Speaker 2: 1:42:47

Yeah well, yeah, yeah, I got an email from um. This is how this is how much I love the community. Um you, I've raved about how much I love uh hockey, playoffs and the just beat the maple leafs in game seven overtime. It was a thing where I jumped on my thing and said they won, they won. I couldn't believe it. I forgot that it was the King of the Buttercups. I forgot it was his team. When I found out, I was like, oh God.

Speaker 4: 1:43:16

You bastard.

Speaker 2: 1:43:19

I'm so sorry. I love that guy, I love him, guy, um, and love more than I, uh, love, uh, god, I guess I love the buttercups more, I love the bruins which I there. You go hard, hard thing to say, but I'll take p, I'll take people over over organizations almost every time. Um, anyway, um, thank you everybody. Uh, please support your local libraries and the written word. Raise better boys, raise better boys.

Speaker 1: 1:43:42

So that we can all improve the world.

Speaker 2: 1:43:45

Yeah, it's very, very appropriate, and until next time we are Richmond.

Speaker 3: 1:43:52

Richmond To we. Strike a chord, it is probably a minor.

Speaker 2: 1:44:00

Jesus Christ, just evisceration. Thank you, I'm gonna be smiling all day, I'm gonna think about this and I'm gonna re-listen to it and, dear God, this is a lot of fun. Thank you. Thank you, everybody. We'll see you next time. Bye, guys.