Wayne | S1 Ep9 Part4 "Thought We Was Friends"

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Speaker 2: 0:22

Welcome to our Ted Lasso talk, the Tedcast. Welcome all Greyhound fans, welcome all you sinners from the dog track and all the AFC Richmond fans around the world. It's the Lasso way around these parts with Coach, coach and Boss, without further ado, coach Castleton.

Speaker 3: 0:39

Okay, welcome back, beautiful people. Thanks for joining us as we complete wayne, episode nine. Thought we was friends. This is part four. It will be the final part before we go on to the series finale. Now wayne has 10 episodes total um and uh. As far as I know, everyone has already aged out of every possible role. Del is now 65 in real life or thereabouts. She's like no, but she's like grown up. She's not 15 anymore.

Speaker 1: 1:16

She couldn't play 15 anymore.

Speaker 3: 1:17

No, she couldn't play 15. So unless you said 10 years later, you know we're not getting any more. Wayne, I am your host. Coach castleton with me? Is it usually with me? Is, is coach bishop? He is, uh, on assignment. Um, I will, I will mention that, uh, coach bishop, coach bishop did a breakdown for us about the uh, the rap battle and, and since his breakdown I'm going to just mostly attribute it to him the song Not Like Us has become the fastest song in hip hop history to reach 100 million streams on Spotify. Do you know that, boss?

Speaker 4: 1:58

I didn't know that exact figure. I did hear on Wait, wait, don't Tell Me the podcast where I get all of my pop culture and sports knowledge that Kendrick Lamar's downloads increased 50% after the rap battle and Drake's dropped by 5%, dropped by 5% 5%. Yeah Huh, Kendrick Lamar increased 50. Drake drops 5%.

Speaker 3: 2:24

I thought he might drop more than five. That's interesting you would hope.

Speaker 4: 2:28

But anyway, I don't, I'm going, I'm going to allow coach Bishop, coach Bishop, to be the expert on that.

Speaker 3: 2:35

Yeah, yeah, you never know you. You you always think, yeah, you know people will distance themselves from, from I. Actually, you know what I don't know enough about drake. You know whether I just I just don't probably care enough. Um, yeah, but um, yeah, we, uh, we ran it by our the king of the buttercups, jeff, and he was like he wanted me to tell you, boss, he heard you cackle when you found out that drake was from tor. Yes.

Speaker 3: 3:03

And he is in the vicinity of Toronto. Our friend Jeff the KOB is, and he was not at all disciplined. He like laughed along with it. Good Good, so he was. He wanted me to let you know.

Speaker 4: 3:15

And, to be honest, this is not about Toronto. I have no ill will towards Toronto. It is more so yeah, it's that there's, especially it being my age, like when you think of you know, like I don't want to say hardcore, but like the serious rappers, they don't come from Toronto. I would have laughed ass hard if you said that they came from Rhode Island.

Speaker 3: 3:37

Like that would be the same vibe. Right, it's Compton versus Des Moines. Yes, I mean okay.

Speaker 4: 3:42

Like I believe that there could be a rapper from Grand Rapids. I don't think there is. I'm pretty sure Michigan is only getting Eminem and that's it.

Speaker 3: 3:52

But I'd still have to laugh about it. I was certain that you were going to make a bad word joke, like Grand Rappers.

Speaker 4: 4:00

No, I wouldn't do that.

Speaker 3: 4:02

Oh, thank God.

Speaker 4: 4:03

I mean I I like a pun, but I'm not cheap well actually as soon as I said it um the uh.

Speaker 3: 4:17

The other other person you're hearing is, uh, our boss, emily chambers yeah, um, go ahead, emily.

Speaker 4: 4:23

So here's the thing we've been doing this podcast for four years now, and I've had to talk to you soft, soft gentlemen, on a weekly basement basis for four years.

Speaker 3: 4:36

Uh in a weekly basement.

Speaker 4: 4:38

Yeah, that's how it feels, yeah um, so there's this uh former colleague of mine. We were friendly ish. We like, especially during pandemic, we would text a lot. We weren't hanging out in person, obviously. And then after a little while I was like this is not. I feel bad, because she was interested in a friendship that I was not interested in. That's why the point comes down to it After I left my last job, when I felt like there was a good point to do what Garfunkel and Oates refer to as the fadeaway, I tried to do that.

Speaker 4: 5:14

I was like maybe we shouldn't be friends anymore, maybe we'll just let this end. She didn't respond super well to that. She just recently, like within the past couple of weeks, reached out and wanted to like text more and do things and I kind of sort of wanted to shrug that off. And then finally I bit the bullet and I was an adult and I was like listen, I can't really be a good friend to you right now. I'm not in a position to do that. I think you're great, but I this is, I can't really. I can't really get into this Like I've got my five friends, I'm a hermit, I like to stay home, I can't. I don't have any emotion for you, and she didn't respond super well and one of the things she did was called me self-centered.

Speaker 4: 5:58

Now, what I said back to her was nothing. I didn't respond. I managed to not. Instead of making her cry which I could I know for a fucking fact I could make her and her phone cry if I felt like it and instead what I did was delete all the texts and block her number, and I did need to check in with other people. I was like, hey, so this bitch called me self centered? Can you fucking believe it? But I didn't say a single mean thing to her, not one. It's either the mushrooms or you, sons of bitches. Making me as if I am a soft person is what you sons of bitches are doing to me like I were weak.

Speaker 4: 6:44

It didn't make any sense to. If I am a soft person is what you, sons of bitches, are doing to me Like I were weak. It didn't make any sense to me.

Speaker 3: 6:48

I am, I feel so happy about this. How can you feel happy about that? I?

Speaker 4: 6:54

just told you. It was as if I were a soft person.

Speaker 3: 6:57

Yeah, no, no, I know, I know, I know that's what you say, but you showed some, you know, showed some you know restraint.

Speaker 4: 7:08

This is a nightmare. What am I supposed to do with the rest of my life if I'm not?

Speaker 3: 7:16

If you're not like actually seeking, actively seeking out conflict.

Speaker 4: 7:20

Well, not actively conflict, but like. But you know she wasn't right.

Speaker 3: 7:24

What's the? To punish, to punish, to punish.

Speaker 4: 7:29

The point is to punish.

Speaker 3: 7:30

Here's the thing. This is just like the version of it, where I'm like I don't want there to be an us. So you're actively have decided, You're like I already don't want there to be an us. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3: 7:49

I already already don't want there to be an us. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what I mean. I already did. You already like made that, made that call, right it's. And it's a weird thing actually. Maybe we're gonna, maybe we'll have to talk about this. Uh, offline a little bit. I I I had I had a friend that I had let go kind of show back up and you know it was kind of in a way it was. You know it was like really wonderful in a way. It was. You know it was like really wonderful in a way. And you know, like, like what you said, like about this friend, you didn't say anything negative about her.

Speaker 3: 8:13

I could have. This is the thing I could have. How did I not? It was a friend, I I just, you know we had kids and lost touch and but I had, I was, I was pretty psyched about it. Um, he is a wonderful guy, but he, uh, he did. He would do the version of um what my kids called trauma dumping. So every, every interaction with him was like oh, he doesn't have a therapist, he has me.

Speaker 4: 8:42

And I'm like no, no, I don't, I'm not a therapist.

Speaker 3: 8:43

he has me and I'm like no no, I don't.

Speaker 4: 8:44

I'm not a therapist though.

Speaker 3: 8:46

I'm not interested, I can't focus on all of your foibles, and he has a knack for getting himself into some or stepping into it a little bit. But I have great memories with him. He's, like you know, almost like family. I've known him for so long. Orlando's going to be so sad when he listens to this.

Speaker 4: 9:10

When he hears all the things you're saying about him, all the things I'm saying about Coach oh man Never. If I could suture myself to Coach. Absolutely not him.

Speaker 3: 9:20

It was socially acceptable to be Velcroed to another person. I'd be around Coach all the time, but yeah, you just want to be kind about the whole thing.

Speaker 1: 9:30

Like.

Speaker 3: 9:30

I said he showed back up. It was so nice to see him. But then I remembered oh, why you? Know, why, he's like oh, I'll be around next week. I'm like eh, Well, we'll see.

Speaker 4: 9:42

We'll see, how that goes.

Speaker 3: 9:45

But I do have, you know, affection for him and I do. It's just that whatever places we're in, we're not in the in the same place you don't have a bandwidth, what, what you, what you described um right, it is partially. Well, it is and it isn't.

Speaker 1: 9:59

I'm choosing to put my bandwidth into places that make me feel better which is self-centered which is what you are.

Speaker 4: 10:07

Well see, this was the problem is that she said that I was like I don't think this is actually self-centered.

Speaker 3: 10:12

It's not. No, no, no. It's just it's boundaried and being mindful about like your time and you know.

Speaker 4: 10:19

And also not wanting to do something Like let's just get real. What I wanted to do was not be her therapist. That's what I was going.

Speaker 3: 10:26

Oh, is she one of those two she also does that okay. Yeah, she does that well.

Speaker 3: 10:29

So so, uh, my daughter, uh, has a friend that was historically a very close friend of hers, 10 years old, and she's been having a lot of friction with this young lady lately because, yeah, my daughter's grown in one direction and the other girl's grown in another. And I attributed to the fact that I told a story a while ago where I had a guy over. It was a play date and the father brought the little girl over and nicest people always like them, always like the little girl. And we get to talking and he and he uh, I don't know how it comes up he tells me how he's a libertarian. Oh, okay, like whatever, but libertarian can be code for, for, for I'm a Trump voter.

Speaker 3: 11:14

And I didn't, I didn't realize it and I was like, wait, what? Like I could not believe, I just couldn't believe it, couldn't believe it, and and and. So I was just like, okay, like all right, well, all right, different strokes, but like whoo and um, and I was like, well, what, if you know, I, I, you know, just trying to make what are? You know, how would you feel? You know, would you still vote for him in the next election? He's like I'd be more likely to vote for him, like, oh okay, like, all right, so we can't, there's nothing here for us, and I was.

Speaker 3: 11:54

So I was so sad about it. I really liked the guy, um and um, I said, all right, well, okay, I didn't, I didn't dismiss, I've only, you know, continued to be, to be polite and nice and whatever. But I'm mindful that his outlook is different than my outlook and I think it's affected the way the girls are developing, so that you know, my daughter's looking to branch out a little bit and her thing is that when she tries to be boundaried around this other little girl, who again is 10 years old, she's lovely. She, who again is a, it's 10 years old, she's lovely, she's seriously a nice little girl. Um, the girl lashes out at her at my daughter.

Speaker 3: 12:29

So she'll say, hey, listen, no, no, no, no, yeah. She'll say I want my daughter to say, hey, I'm gonna. I'm actually I told you know, one of my other friends that I'm gonna go on the swings with her at recess today. So if you don't mind, I'm gonna do that. And the little girl would like lat, you know, be like a. It's like what you like, projection, you know, and like they post about whatever crime and you're like, oh, ok, so you're doing that. Like you know, they accuse.

Speaker 4: 12:51

Democrats.

Speaker 3: 12:53

It's just like an obvious, like I bet Biden gives you know information to the Russians in the Oval Office, uh-huh.

Speaker 4: 13:00

Yeah, no, I wonder who did that? I really Well, you know, everybody embezzles. I'm sure Biden's embezzled. Everybody embezzles.

Speaker 3: 13:08

So it's one of those things and that's what it reminded me when you said it. It's like a developmental stage where you can't hear the truth, where you said to your friend don't have it right now, you are wonderful, you know, there's nothing wrong, I just it's just like I can't be the friend you want me to be right now. That is very respectful, but she couldn't hear it, so she let. Now she, she's gotta, she's gotta project something back at you, she's gotta reflect something that she's feeling and, you know, make it a conflict and make it, and it's not, it doesn't have to be that way, you know well, apparently not, because I didn't call her out on her shit.

Speaker 4: 13:49

The next thing, you know, people are just going to be like cutting in front of me in line, and I'm not going to bring down the hammer of justice in order to tell them to get their asses in the back. What is going to happen to the world?

Speaker 3: 13:59

something tells me you're gonna, you're gonna, you're gonna you think I'll recover yeah, I think so we'll say we sent. We sent, uh boss, a picture when coach and I were hanging out in la. We sent her a picture of the two of us, um and uh, and she said, oh, look at my soft boys yeah, I mean it. I mean it every time that's because you haven't seen coach breaking in windshields with a bat. You've not seen that. That side of code you'd really like.

Speaker 4: 14:29

You'd be like, yes, okay I I think that's why you knew you would get that. That is the thing I love to have that gear. I genuinely, if I lose this gear, I'm gonna be angry with you because I I like the gear I do not feel I don't feel guilty about it at all. I actually was, like I legitimately at one point said to myself. I was like emily, you fucked up this time, but next time you will make them cry, don't worry about it. Just don't don't feel upset, don't feel like you did anything wrong.

Speaker 3: 14:59

Next time you'll make them cry well, I, I, I cannot believe that anything, I cannot believe that anything I've said over the years has worked its way through that, that impenetrable cerebellum of yours. But but, yes, I think it's wonderful, I have no doubt you will, you will return to form. Yeah, no, I, I. I feel badly for the for the next person. Return to form. Yeah, I feel badly for the next person that tries to steal your twinkie.

Speaker 4: 15:29

Yeah, god bless.

Speaker 3: 15:32

Yeah, Okay. Well, everybody, we are going to jump right in. Today. Usually we talk, for you know, three to four hours before we discuss the show. Today, 15, solid 15. Just a hot 15 minutes of chatter Again. Coach will be back with us next time. We're very sorry. We know you tune in for him and nobody else. I wouldn't listen, Emily, or me.

Speaker 3: 16:05

My one-woman podcast didn't go anywhere. It's right in the trash bin next to my one man show. Yeah, no, we hope to have him back. He'll bring a lot of life. He's going to be very, very sad. I know he'll listen to this and he'll be sad that he did not get to chime in, because what we have cooking at the end of this episode is is rare. It's a rarity and I and I've you know I wasn't trying to show have a cliffhanger last time was trying to be honest, to say it is.

Speaker 3: 16:36

It is one of those shows where you know you're just like, well, shit, I, okay, they didn't, they really buried the lead. I, I did not know this. Uh, I don't believe there were clues where I could have put this together. You know, it's like really truly intentionally buried. Um, so, knowing that, let's jump right in, uh, to where we left off. Um, the we're at the, we're at the. Uh, the, the meth compound here, calvin's meth compound and uh, and we had, we had like sort of a it's not a mexican standoff, because no one's drawn anything yet.

Speaker 3: 17:15

But uh, sergeant geller flashes his badge, says, uh, that he's from brockton pd. You're a long way from your piece of shit. Calvin responds, which is what I mean. Typically it's what you do with officers of the law. It takes a. What happens next boss is an identifier. It's like if you're saying, or if you're like a reg, if you're, if you're a muggle, if you're a normie like me, for example, I'm not attacking anybody. I would say typically, when I'm faced with an officer on my property, I say okay, how can I help you? I assume he's an ambassador of order versus chaos. No, what Calvin does here is interesting. No, what Calvin does here is interesting Because he Geller says once he says the piece of shit line. You're a far cry from your piece of shit. He says you must be Galvin Clay. Two counts of felony vandalism to an RV, which we saw, three counts of aggravated assault. And Jay says what? Here Jay jumps in.

Speaker 4: 18:26

Several counts of public urination, one at a counts of public urination one at a yogurt shop.

Speaker 3: 18:28

They want a yogurt shop. I mean, I, I'm assuming you've peed at a yogurt shop publicly, boss, um, but I, but most of us haven't, uh, and I mean, I definitely peed in public before I'm I don't know about a yogurt shop I was like this is interesting.

Speaker 3: 18:46

They're listing his priors or whatever they call them, and or his, his priors, that they call it and but, like it's, these are pretty tame because the rv we saw, we saw the rv happen. That's recent, so it's like all these years that he's been running this meth compound, or what we assume is like a meth compound, and and it's not. Um, there's he's never been busted for anything drug related. So, or crocodile related or fight, really it just seems really interesting.

Speaker 4: 19:19

Yeah, well, it, it, yes, but also this is what happens when you reach this level of crime lord-ish, Like, in order to get the. By the way, I'm basing most of this on my knowledge of the Wire, so I shouldn't pretend that I actually know. Sure, like personally, sort of like a friend of a friend of a friend you might know. It's sort of like a friend of a friend of a friend you might know. But he's not going to get caught doing any of this shit at this point, because he's not actually going to be carrying any of the drugs or moving any of the drugs or selling any of the drugs. He's going to be telling the people to do the selling and buying.

Speaker 3: 19:58

I like that you brought up the wire because you remember it's not Stringer Bell, who's Stringer Bell, who's the main guy?

Speaker 1: 20:04

Avon.

Speaker 3: 20:05

Barksdale, avon, barksdale, right. So when Avon, when he becomes identified as like oh, the guy behind everything is Avon Barksdale, you remember what the cops say?

Speaker 4: 20:15

That they didn't know what he looked like, didn't know who the guy was. Who the hell is Avon Barksdale?

Speaker 3: 20:18

They have no idea who Avon B barks daily they've never even heard of the guy. Yep, and it feels like that's what calvin now. Calvin is not a drug czar by any stretch of the imagination, but, um, okay, we're going to talk about the casual nature of his next move. Uh, several counts of public urination, one in a yogurt shop, to which calvin shrugs and says they said my coupon was expired, so fuck them.

Speaker 3: 20:41

Okay, now these guys are from brockton, so they don't really they don't care about that they don't care about that they're like fine, yeah, all right, uh, we're looking for a boy named wayne mccullough, says geller, uh, son of maureen mccullough. And and he keeps identifying who they're looking for. Because reggie's looking away, reggie's not making eye contact, he's behind calvin, but calvin is, like he furrows his brow. He's like well, never, like, never heard him, never. It's a son of wayne mccullough, your girlfriend.

Speaker 3: 21:12

Uh, she's the registered owner of a 1979 gold trans am, to which calvin like tilts his head, like oh, you don't say oh right, like I've never a gold trans am. You say oh, and, and we don't see the gold trans am in frame. When we look at the cops, we're just looking at a two-shot with their nissan leaf behind them, right, and some you know various like trailers and whatever. At the we don't see the vehicle in question. And it's just a really funny line that comes up. Because what, what does geller say when? When calvin pretends like that has no idea what he's talking about?

Speaker 4: 21:49

I sort of uh thumb over the shoulder and says, uh, the one right over there?

Speaker 4: 21:54

yeah, that, that one that one, that one like in our vicinity and you know you just brought up the issue that you would react very differently to the police than Kelvin would. It's not actually a bad tactic for Kelvin to take, though I don't want to denigrate police officers. I don't want to denigrate police officers. I'm only going to say on the West Wing there was an episode where Oliver Platt, as a lawyer, was sort of preparing Allison Janney for a deposition and he said, like in the role of the interviewer, do you know what time it is? And she looked at her watch and said it's 3.34. And he said wrong. I asked you do you know what time it is? Your answer is yes, that's all you say. I'm not saying police are out to get people. I am saying you don't give them any more information than they already have.

Speaker 3: 22:58

I really appreciate that and I think this is by virtue of my position as an affluent, appearing white man. I'm not affluent, but I have the appearance. I can fake it in a way that looks like I'm a credible, I'm a tax-paying, god-fearing member of society. So I have the luxury, the privilege buys me, in my, my experience, a quick appraisal. So I have the luxury of going hey, what's up, guys, how's it going? And then to see if they're after me you know what I mean like. And then there's, there's this, uh, there's these guys on social media. I forget who they are, but they do this.

Speaker 3: 23:38

They're defense attorneys who they're like oh, every year they do this little song and dance or like never talk to the cops, never, talk to like, never, never, never. When do we talk to the cops? Never? What do we? If they ask us a thing, what do we say Give me a lawyer. Like, never, ever, ever, ever. And I and I have wax poetic about how I think there are amazing officers of the law like truly amazing, inspiring, and there's also absolute criminals and degenerates who wear a badge, and so you never know. And it's a good practice to err on the side of caution where your personal liberty is in question. Yeah, man of liberty.

Speaker 4: 24:23

Uh, isn't, yeah, man, I. I mean this again not to denigrate anybody, but this is also to acknowledge the inherent power dynamic between you and an officer of the law. So if you could reclaim a little bit of they, have the ability to arrest you. Like you don't have to talk to them, just never, never, talk to the police unless you have to yeah so that's calvin is?

Speaker 3: 24:47

um, he's not. His feathers are not ruffled at all. Well, geller says that one right, uh, calvin, he looks at it and then he laughed like he laughs like they're, like they're all pals. I'm just fucking with you, wayne mccullough, uh. And he turns around like oh yeah, wayne mccullough. Yeah yeah, wayne McCullough. And what does Reggie say? He turns around and makes like a gesture at Reggie, like yeah, we know Whatever. What does Reggie say? Yeah, I know that motherfucker. Yeah.

Speaker 3: 25:13

I know that motherfucker. Yeah, he's hanging around here somewhere, mm-hmm you didn't mind that pun. I did not mind that pun. That was quality. Mid-80s Schwarzenegger cheese.

Speaker 4: 25:30

Okay, so before he got to the Batman and Robin, Mr Freeze ice to meet you. This is more your speed.

Speaker 3: 25:39

I do not like ice to meet you, you don't. No, I like commando. I let him go like like he dropped a guy off the thing and they say, oh, yeah, yeah, you know like really. But like, see, calvin is like, uh, you know he's like, he's a big, he's a superhero, I think is what you were just saying.

Speaker 4: 25:58

Not really as compared with schwarzenegger from the 80s movies.

Speaker 3: 26:02

I wish I didn't admire how cool he is. This is like Heart of Darkness. We're talking about Colonel Kurtz and how he gave this famous speech in Apocalypse. Now about the will, about how the enemy had the will to do certain things. I've admired that in you, boss. I admired that you have the will to follow through in places I normally would not. Calvin is a cool customer. I'm not saying he's a superhero. I'm not saying he's my personal hero.

Speaker 4: 26:37

Yes, not at all, but he is a cool customer.

Speaker 3: 26:40

He is not easily rattled. He was okay. He was much more rattled hearing stories about wayne mccullough, senior, and he actually smoked a butt to like calm him a little bit, while he was about to burn wayne with an acetylene torch. Then he is facing off with and and let's go, let's keep going, so that we know why I'm saying this. Uh yeah, he's hanging around here somewhere. I don't know why this happens, boss. I do not know why this happens. I'm very surprised about this. But Reggie takes that as a cue to open the hanging plastic to show the cops that Wayne is hung, that he is hanging from a chain gagged in their garage.

Speaker 4: 27:28

Because at this point he can't say Wayne has been here, because then they're going to keep coming back and looking for Wayne. If he says Wayne was here and he left and I don't know where he went, they're going to continue checking in. Oh, have you heard from Wayne? They will know that that was a point where Wayne was. So they can't say he's been here and expect the investigation to be dropped. But these two are cops from out of town, not there on official police business. What he is betting on is that he could get rid of these two cops and Wayne more easily than he would be able to throw them off of Wayne's scent. So he is.

Speaker 3: 28:09

He is gambling on a triple murder in order to get himself clear that's a hell of a of a decision to make and it's a hell of a decision to put in the hands of reggie. And the only way I can I can sort of make it work in my brain is that this is commonplace for these guys. Like he knows, reggie has the same way we saw we talk about the rosie o'donnell studying your dad. Oh, it's not a bad kind of drunk. He knows when calvin gets in this mood, somebody's gonna die. Calvin's about to kill something. It's like predatory yeah. So reggie just opens the thing and shows them late, right, go ahead.

Speaker 4: 28:42

Sorry I was only going to say that we've also have, in addition to the uh vandalism of the rv and reggie beating the shit out of the alligator guy, like it doesn't seem as if the local police are that interested in investigating these two.

Speaker 3: 28:59

Not at all. I mean no investigation to speak of. So Reggie pulls the thing open and you know there's a slider on it. So it slides open. Wayne is right there and now Jay goes fuck yeah, and he goes for his gun. Mm-hmm, they're about a good four paces apart, five paces apart tops. Mm-hmm, like for the cops from the bad guys, jay reaches back, goes for his piece, which is tucked into his thing, but then doesn't take it out somehow in the next shot yeah, and that must have been a continuity error or something.

Speaker 3: 29:38

But yeah, a little thing. Right, the first thing you do is pull your gun. I'm not a gun person.

Speaker 3: 29:43

You step back and you pull your gun right, you don't do what he does jay walks past calvin, calvin, reggie, and then Reggie hits. Now in the next shot it looks like he's still reaching for his gun here. You see his hands behind, so it's a little bit of a continuity thing, but I'll give them the credit to say, okay, he thought he was going for his gun, but he's also moving in Right and Reggie clobbers cop of soup.

Speaker 1: 30:11

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 3: 30:12

Right clobbers cop of soup. There's got to be some kind of good soup pun, like some name of a soup that would be.

Speaker 4: 30:19

I keep wanting to say he got chowdered, but that doesn't seem like anything.

Speaker 3: 30:24

It doesn't, especially if you're from Boston Chowdered, but he gets knocked out, knocked out, cold. Reggie goes, adios, motherfucker. And Geller doesn't make a move. Geller, he's talking about a cool customer. Geller just watches it, like you know. It was like it's a callback to when he and Jay went and talked to the police that were sort of in the middle of all. There was a that were sort of in the middle of all. You know there was like a search that they were in the middle of. Do you remember that? And Geller was just standing there calmly talking Like it wasn't? I don't know. It may be I may be mixing it up.

Speaker 4: 31:02

Wait which episode was that?

Speaker 3: 31:03

I'm trying to think it was pretty early.

Speaker 4: 31:05

Because I know that they met the Lucchettis at the ice cream place.

Speaker 3: 31:12

Yeah, they met the Luchetti's at the ice cream place and there was a lot of shit going on.

Speaker 3: 31:15

Then I'm going to have to look back and see Maybe I'm mixing it up with another show, but I know it's because now it doesn't feel like it's possible what I'm remembering. I just I must put Sergeant Geller on a pedestal, but I'll go back and try to try to review, but but he just watches it without he doesn't move a muscle, he doesn't, he's not triggered, he doesn't go for his gun. Reggie says adios, motherfucker. And now Calvin pulls a sledgehammer out of nowhere, like must have been behind the car he's leaning on, Flips it over, hands it to Reggie and Reggie grabs it. Really calmly, Reggie, he does like a little sort of little pimp walk, kind of dope step thing where he, you know, in. In Ted Lasso terms, this would be like this is a time to strut for Reggie, you know.

Speaker 4: 32:08

Yeah, this is. This is the highlight of his day.

Speaker 3: 32:11

Yeah, and he is not. Also, I will reiterate this is, this is the highlight of his day. Yeah, and he is not. Also, I will reiterate he is not worried. Reggie, now I know Reggie's stupid, but like this is a cop. He just knocked out a cop and now he's behind another cop with a sledgehammer and again Geller does not even prevent him from getting behind him. He's just like a little, you know, pretty slender guy.

Speaker 4: 32:35

He's got to be what, what would you put his age at in this uh late 40s? Late 40s late 40s, possibly early 50s. Either he has had either he is a rough late 40s or a great early 50s okay right, yeah, that was that's like, that's a, that's a great way to put it.

Speaker 3: 32:50

And he doesn doesn't budge. And so Reggie goes behind him. I was just wondering, like, is he going to worry about Reggie hitting him from behind with the thing? But he doesn't. He just stands there and Calvin goes after you like, ushers him politely into the garage, mm-hmm, and then what happens here, boss.

Speaker 4: 33:10

And then what happens here, boss, as they're walking in, uh, he says uh, get your boys and get a car with a bigger trunk to Reggie. Calvin says that to Reggie, like because we need to gather up all of these bodies and take care of them, Cause we're going to murder everybody.

Speaker 1: 33:27

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 33:30

See, I don't, uh, I'm not as casual around murder you know when I do my murders. I'm a little more nervous, I think, when I will do I, I imagine whatever murder, murders, life has in store for me, yeah, I'm at, especially if, well, I'm not gonna kill cops, so well, no, that's a bad idea.

Speaker 4: 33:47

Let's hope I don't kill anybody but.

Speaker 3: 33:49

but I am stunned by just how casual this whole thing is and that Geller just walks in, goes along with it.

Speaker 4: 33:57

Yeah, would you walk?

Speaker 3: 34:01

to your doom that way?

Speaker 4: 34:02

I guess not, if you thought maybe you're not walking to your doom. That's the thing though yes.

Speaker 4: 34:05

If he knows that he's not actually walking to his doom, then he wouldn't be that worried about it. This is a situation where Calvin thinks that he has sized up officer Geller. Officer Geller is not necessarily what he seems, and because of that they're both going to be much cooler than they ordinarily would be. I think the other thing is that officer Geller does not want to rile Calvin up any more than he already has or already needs to, because if he starts talking shit to Calvin, calvin's going to lose his fucking mind and then everything's going to get out of hand.

Speaker 3: 34:43

So Geller is comfortable assessing the situation. I mean, one does not simply walk into Mordor.

Speaker 4: 34:49

Well, one does if one is a hobbit.

Speaker 3: 34:52

So Geller is the hobbit and he knows he's comfortable that he has lulled Calvin and Reggie into a false sense of security. Also, right away Reggie gets dismissed because he's got to go get your boys, and so it really is one-on-one.

Speaker 4: 35:08

It's one-on-one. And also, calvin is not nearly as smart as he thinks he is.

Speaker 3: 35:13

Calvin's double the size. He's got to be twice the size. I would put Calvin at 250, 260 easy muscle mass and I would put Geller at what 145? About that?

Speaker 4: 35:27

He seems on the shorter side.

Speaker 3: 35:30

Okay, so in the go, yeah, go ahead uh, no, I was.

Speaker 4: 35:34

Actually. I was going to ruin, um, an episode of a brilliant tv show that I don't want to, but these kinds of underestimating people that seem not to be physically dominant, uh, can be absolutely fucking hilarious in the best ways. Like you have never gotten your ass kicked harder than by a short strappy guy, they're going to beat the shit out of you the hardest. I always say this I know and you're right about it.

Speaker 3: 36:06

I'm telling you One of the things, especially if they have a vein in their bicep. So this is the thing.

Speaker 4: 36:11

We know for a fact that those guys do exist. We know that calvin is not as smart as he thinks he is and he's not as in control as he would like to pretend to be, and we know that officer galler has routinely not been intimidated by people who could have been intimidating. You might have been thinking of um, what's his face mark? The uh construction guy who was taking all of the oh yes, maybe that's what it was Right.

Speaker 4: 36:38

Maybe that would be because, you know there were a lot of workers weren't running around and he was giving him some bullshit, and Geller knew to grab the phone and double check for the immigration office and never lost his cool. Wasn't intimidated by Mark.

Speaker 3: 36:53

Never lost his cool.

Speaker 4: 36:55

So anyway, I am. I. I was not worried about officer Geller at this point. I wasn't sure how things were going to be resolved, but I wasn't worried about him. You weren't.

Speaker 3: 37:05

I wasn't. I mean he's John Ralphio compared to Calvin, it's like. It's like John Ralphio and Ron Swanson walking together. It's like that body mass kind of.

Speaker 4: 37:17

Oh yeah, that difference.

Speaker 3: 37:18

Although, john.

Speaker 4: 37:19

Ralphio was taller, but also this is a fucking karate kid. This is Ralph Macchio up against a blonde guy whose name I don't remember, even though I did watch Cobra Kai.

Speaker 3: 37:40

Exactly right, exactly right, right. So we cut to, we walk in, go get your boys get a bigger trunk. I'm gonna kill the. You know we're gonna kill three people. Three people, and jay is not. Jay is gigantic. I mean, jay folded them like a, like a what do they call it? What's the right term? Folded them like one of those collapsible chairs, jesus.

Speaker 4: 37:57

Christ.

Speaker 3: 37:58

Oh God, pardon me. Oh no, what is the? There's a right term for it and everyone at home is saying it and I forget? Folded them like a like laundry. I forget.

Speaker 1: 38:09

Folded him like a Like laundry.

Speaker 3: 38:12

No, it's like the chairs that you fold up. Folded him like a portable.

Speaker 4: 38:18

I've never heard anybody say that no. I mean you're making the accordion motion, so I don't know. You know the chairs that you fold up and you stack Like a folding chair.

Speaker 3: 38:30

But it can't possibly be folded him like a folding chair, he folded like a chair chair like a yes, folded, but it can't possibly be folded in like a folding chair.

Speaker 4: 38:34

Uh, he folded like a chair. I don't know.

Speaker 3: 38:35

I don't think I've heard this one before this is a new england thing ah, okay, yeah, damn it, someone will tell us in the message boards. Okay, so, uh, we cut to uh dell wolfing down food. We get a. We get a shot, wide shot, of the booth that they're in, because this is a bus stop. Slash dinerette.

Speaker 4: 38:54

Fancyest place in town.

Speaker 3: 38:56

Fancyest place in town. It's beautiful, lovely Ocala, and we get a single of Del and she is just wolfing food down Like the first time we saw Wayne eat something, and it is just. It was like when what's his name?

Speaker 3: 39:13

gave wayne some food when he was working on the job and he like oh, yeah, yeah the mole yeah, yeah, exactly yes, the bullet, um, and so dell is like eating so ravenously and then we get a, we get a pivot and we we have a shot of orlando and uh and um, tommy cole, and they're just like stunned watching. She must be starving. Starving to death is how hungry she's eating, how quickly she's eating and what does she say to Orlando?

Speaker 4: 39:42

Thanks for the shirt.

Speaker 3: 39:44

Yeah, she's got a shirt on and we know Orlando well enough to immediately register. Yep, that's definitely Orlando's shirt. The print, the pattern on it, the cut of it. Yep's definitely Orlando's shirt, the print, the pattern on it, the cut of it. Yep, that's Orlando's shirt. He says all good, and walk us through this boss.

Speaker 4: 40:01

So she is sort of looking at both of them while she's still eating. She finally slides the tray across the table, giving up on eating. She says I can't do this anymore. Tommy Cole says the dog will eat the leftovers he's really a student of people He'll take care of it.

Speaker 3: 40:24

It'll be observed.

Speaker 4: 40:25

You shouldn't feed the dog that, as a person who's been around a lot of dogs that have eaten a lot of diner fast food, you shouldn't do it. No, it's not great orlando says uh, fuck the dog, I'll eat it. And then tommy cole puts the tray back in the middle dell finally says that's not what I'm talking about. I want to go home. I can't do this anymore, gesturing wildly yeah, yeah, right, exactly this is.

Speaker 3: 40:51

I can't do it anymore. And then Orlando says, well, it's a free country, but I got to save my boy.

Speaker 4: 40:56

Right, so you could go home if you need to, but he is not leaving, To which Del points out and what bring him back to Brockton?

Speaker 3: 41:06

Okay, and now you talk about soft boys. This is such a soft boy moment. I love it so much, I really related to it. Um, I feel very seen. She says and what? Bring him back to brockton, right, and then when? And the answer is like no, I mean like you know, but, but a soft boy answer is what tommy cole does right away and he's like yeah, like she says there's nothing there for him, and tommy goes yes, there is. It's like a knee-jerk reaction yes, there is immediately.

Speaker 4: 41:31

yes, there is. Yeah, there's nothing there for him and Tommy goes yes, there is, it's like a knee jerk reaction.

Speaker 3: 41:34

Yes, there is immediately yes, there is, yeah the other something there for him, of course. And then he sounds it out. He, then he starts spelling the words of what is there for him and what does he say, boss?

Speaker 4: 41:46

I mean sure, kicked out of school and he burned his house down and his dad is dead and, uh, burned in the house that he burned down yeah, he goes.

Speaker 3: 41:59

I'm sure he got kicked out of school and his house burned down, you know, and his dad is dead burnt, burned up in the house that he burnt down uh and uh. He's just he's trying, oh yeah. So what's he got? Orlando goes, but he's got us, yeah he does.

Speaker 2: 42:17

Yeah, that's it there. There it is. Yeah, that's the one. Thank you, that's it.

Speaker 4: 42:20

Yes, yeah, he can live he can either live with me in the house where I keep killing dogs even though I'm his principal, and that would be weird or maybe he could move in with orlando and his senile grandma who can't take care of Orlando. He's got us, though.

Speaker 3: 42:33

He's got us. What does Del say?

Speaker 4: 42:37

He wants to be with his mom.

Speaker 3: 42:39

Yeah, look, wayne's in danger. Your pops is all hopped up on vengeance. This is what Orlando says, and them crazy bat swinging brothers here as well. And what does Del say?

Speaker 4: 42:49

Don't worry, as long as Wayne's with his ma nobody's fucking with him, Ah the irony Right.

Speaker 3: 42:56

It's really interesting, yeah, and why is nobody fucking with him?

Speaker 4: 43:01

That place is like a white trash fortress of meth heads and crocodiles.

Speaker 3: 43:05

No, I believe it's alligators.

Speaker 4: 43:07

I believe alligators are in the south of the US and crocodiles are in Africa, but I would need to double check that it's.

Speaker 3: 43:13

Uh, yeah, no, it is, there's no crocs. But I still refuse to say gators, um, yeah, no. I just said. My daughter goes to school in florida and I'm always like how are those crocs there? Any scenic? Actually, no, still gators. Um, uh, she says nobody's getting in there. And uh, she says he doesn't need us. So that is, he doesn't need us. So that is the he doesn't need us. And then she says any of us. She looks down and she says he doesn't need us, any of us, which is a real sort of window into everything she's been contending with. And she says what?

Speaker 4: 43:49

Can you just take me home?

Speaker 3: 43:52

Yeah, real softly. And then she says something completely Undell-like. What does she say after that, please?

Speaker 4: 44:01

Actually says please, and I think when she said he doesn't need us, he doesn't need any of us, that is a gut check, that is an emotional reaction to he didn't pick me like what, what she is actually saying is not, he doesn't need us. It's well, he chose to be with his mom instead of me, so, like he doesn't, he doesn't need me enough to pick me.

Speaker 3: 44:27

That's what she is commenting on specifically yeah, or you, or he's not sitting here waiting for you to show up and say right, and and if you do, he's not going with you anyway, because that's where he wants to be. Um, so they take that in and we just get a. We get a nice wide shot, like you know, back to the original establishing shot of them sitting in the in the booth and it's just a little nod of understanding. So now we're back to the garage and it's just, it's incredibly well shot, um, they, they have. Now. Now, instead of the garage being um pitch black with, like it was when they were establishing, uh, that wayne was alone in the garage.

Speaker 3: 45:15

Now what you have is these guys are walking calvin behind geller. Geller actually looks over his shoulder for the first time to see if he's about to get whacked. It's like a, the good fellas, like is this the second um that I'm gonna get whacked or not? But now they have light shining and pouring in through the translucent plastic and they also have a, a blue tarp hung up on the side with more light coming through it as a, like a fill and or like a diffractor, so that we get some sort of differentiation between the, the, the sort of um shades of light coming in and it's a great shot. It's just a great shot. The blue pulls out a lot of the color in Geller's Tommy Bahama shirt. And what does he say? This is like so bad. This is almost superhero. It's almost Batman. Badass that's how.

Speaker 3: 46:14

Yeah, because he's checking, like I was. I'm reading a fantasy novel right now where the big thing that the the protagonist does before he fucks up people is. He says like I'm gonna give you this opportunity. He's very polite. He's like I would like to give you this opportunity to save yourselves. I, I don't wish you any harm, but if we do this, you will not walk out of here alive and and invariably they're like you know whatever, but but it's like a gentlemanly thing. And so what? What does geller say here?

Speaker 4: 46:45

you're certain you want to do this like very, very, very much the same thing like yeah yeah, so you want to do this?

Speaker 3: 46:52

huh, and what is calvin saying?

Speaker 2: 46:57

yeah, I want to do this yeah, I want to do this.

Speaker 4: 46:59

Okay, all right, I mean, yeah, I feel like that also could be. Uh, officer geller, the just you know officer of the law saying are you sure that you want to go ahead and commit murder? It not just like are you sure you want to do that? Are you certain you want to do this because it's going to end badly for you? But it could be just, I'm going to try to talk you out of this. I'm a cop. I would prefer if you not try to murder people.

Speaker 3: 47:27

That's how I think calvin sees it, which is interesting. It has like a double meaning, you're right. It's like, oh, I'm just doing my job to be like a. It's a public service reminder that murder is illegal. Are you certain you want to be, uh, in the, in the, in the, in the side of of justice that uh, fractures the law and um, yeah, calvin, I think calvin thinks it's like a, like a last gasp kind of thing, rather than a chance for him, right, which is you know kind of you just go whatever.

Speaker 3: 47:54

Now we get a single of wayne. He's just watching. This, luckily, has not been burned, but he's still gagged, he's still hanging, tilted forward slightly, with the chain directly in the center of his back. Um, his arms are still chained behind him, and so Geller says, well, if we're really going to do this. He holds up his, he takes out his firearm. It's an automatic, you know, like, you know, medium caliber, automatic, sort of standard issue kind of thing. Um, I can't tell if it's a glock, but it's just because it's backlit, but it doesn't matter, it's like a standard issue sort of uh, automatic, um, handgun, and it's in a leather, like a leather, carrying holster, uh, not strapped, no straps on it or anything like that, just like something he tucked in his trousers and he holds it up like as a, as a I don't know, just like a demonstration.

Speaker 3: 49:00

Like while he's looking at wayne interestingly not at calvin and he clearly is not going for the weapon. The way he holds it up is making it clear to calvin I'm not reaching for my peace. You know that's not what this is. So he says all right, as long as we're going to do this. Calvin now mocks him and pulls out a butterfly knife. I just love the direction of it. Whoever directed this? To make Calvin pull out his knife and kind of mock Geller with it about putting it down, like throws it down, like, oh alright, I'll put down my thing. You stupid shit. It's really juvenile.

Speaker 4: 49:44

Well, it's also. All he had was a butterfly knife. He didn't have a gun because he didn't need a gun, Because what he was planning to do when he brought both of them into the garage was beat the shit out of them until they died. This was partly like oh, you've got a gun. I would have killed you even if you had a gun.

Speaker 3: 50:03

Right. Well, so Gallagher says exactly right. He says, well, if we're going to do this, no need to sell our Tommy Bahamas, which you know, that's true. Why would you ever sell the Tommy Bahamas? Needlessly, you know. And so he takes off his shoes. Geller takes off his shoes and sets them on like a shitty chair that's there and right next to his weapon, and then he starts to take his socks off. Yeah, and there's like an insert of him well, you don't.

Speaker 3: 50:38

You don't want to get your socks dirty when you're in the middle, why sell your like it could be tommy mohammed socks. They make socks. I'm sure I don't know for a fact I have no idea um also you mentioned whoever directed this episode, because I had it up.

Speaker 4: 50:50

It's, uh, michael patrick jan, who also directed drop dead gorgeous, which I have referenced on this podcast before oh damn look at that everything's tied together.

Speaker 3: 51:05

Well, so he, uh, he starts taking off his, his socks and, and he's so casual about it that calvin's like are you fucking? He's like you're gonna fucking regret this man. Like, because this calvin is perceiving as a you know, your calmness in the face of me beating you to death is it's stupid well, he also thinks it's an insult.

Speaker 4: 51:31

Yeah, yeah, but why you're gonna make me hurt you even more than I would have because you aren't willing? Well, he also thinks it's an insult.

Speaker 3: 51:35

Yeah, yeah, you're going to make me hurt you even more than I would have because you aren't willing to be properly afraid of me, right, right, it's like the bully code, right, how dare you? I'll now bully you more, yes, and he says you're going to regret this. And then we get another great shot. We're going to look up who was the cinematographer. I think there were two cinematographers for this. Let me look it up right now, while we have it here, because it's just a beautiful, beautiful shot. And I will forget D Gregor Hagey, h-a-g-e-y. He was the only DP, he's only the director of photography.

Speaker 3: 52:12

One person, 10 episodes. D Gregor Hagee Um, he's really good, he's talented or she's talented. I don't know if it's a he or she. Gregor sounds like a man's name, but whatever, who knows? I don't know what D stands for, um, but it's um. This is a beautiful shot. Uh, you got light, it's almost. There's this shot in silverado where brian dennehy faces off in the final like shootout with kevin klein and kevin klein has a church behind him and brian dennehy has the open prairie and it's like this obvious, like who is in the. You know like, theoretically, you know like who has the, the power of, uh, civilization or whatever, behind them. And so Gellar says what here? This is great, as he. We get this signal. You're going to regret this. And Gellar says what?

Speaker 3: 53:02

Regret's a funny thing, isn't it? Okay, now I'm going to do something I don't always do, but I want people to hear. I just want people to hear this, because I won't do it justice and I'm going to turn up the volume here for just a sec.

Speaker 1: 53:23

You're going to fucking regret this man. That's Calvin Regret's. A funny thing, isn't it? You know, in the summer of 93, I taught English overseas in Thailand, a place where I would he's taking off his belt expectedly fall in love. His name was Anaruk. It was a deep love the likes of which I have never again experienced.

Speaker 3: 53:46

Now he's unbuttoning his shirt.

Speaker 1: 53:48

Unfortunately, that love will be taken for granted, as he set me up for a crime I did not commit, a crime that cost me 817 days on Satan's pillow, a brutal Thai prison. Look, man, you had some queer experience in another country. Big fucking deal I did. Time too. Lucky for you, not the kind I did.

Speaker 3: 54:21

This is him. Okay, I gotta pause here. Sorry that might have blown people's ears. Luke, we're gonna have to make sure we didn't murder anybody with that music reveal. Geller takes his shirt off and he is absolutely graffitied with prison tats.

Speaker 4: 54:47

As we all are, I'm sure.

Speaker 3: 54:50

Like we get a reverse shot, we get a shot from behind, boss. And what does it say across his shoulders in the biggest, most, most sort of messy straight cut razor, these are like razor blades with ink. Like is full prison tat, kind of writing. And what does it say across his shoulders?

Speaker 4: 55:12

carnage.

Speaker 3: 55:14

Interestingly enough, that is one of my tattoos also carnage and okay, oh, my god, all right, I'm going to turn the volume down. And so now we see, we get this very quick sort of montage of all the various horrible tattoos. There's a beheaded person, there's a snake that says fuck this place, die, die, die. I will die here. I mean, these are not your like. Oh, I'm gonna go to la and get a really fucking cool tattoo. These are.

Speaker 4: 55:58

These are like someone in the in the pit of despair yeah, these are the tattoos he got when he was in prison, or the tattoos he got after prison to represent his time on satan's pillow I mean, I don't know if you would ever.

Speaker 3: 56:16

I don't know, I thought these were for sure a present time, but whatever.

Speaker 4: 56:18

Yeah, maybe, maybe, I don't know, but the way that he is talking about it, there is a possibility that he could have processed after the fact in order to decide. Yes, I'm going to document it in this way, but that it's, from weirdly, a uh, a place of peace about it. He's not shouting when he says this, he's not angry, he's explaining why he is the way that he is and he seems to be cool with it.

Speaker 3: 56:44

Oh, right, on his right hip boss, upside down, meaning he was the one who inked himself it says I'm sorry, mother. And then, more disturbingly, there's one place where this happens, but it happens all over his body. There are a number of hash marks 25, to be exact. In this one place there are 25. Like marking something. We don't know what they're marking, but we know, they're all over his back too. All over his back.

Speaker 4: 57:21

I mean, I think we have an idea.

Speaker 3: 57:23

So do you think they're people he killed?

Speaker 4: 57:26

Yeah, I mean took out in one way or another. It might be just somebody in the prison that was fucking with him enough that he beat up so much that they don't fuck with him anymore. But those are, those are victories, those are.

Speaker 3: 57:40

somebody was vanquished okay, jesus, all right, so I'm going to turn it on a little bit again.

Speaker 1: 57:45

Hopefully won't blow anybody's eardrums in order to survive the horrors and the ultra-violence of a murder hole like Klong Prem, you had to fight, oftentimes to the death. It's there that I learned my mantra To regret deeply is to live afresh, thoreau. Unless you've had a change of heart, son, let's begin the unfortunates, unless you've had to change your heart, son, let's begin.

Speaker 3: 58:20

The unfortunate I mean now he's got his shirt off. He has rolled his pants so he has like now they're like Capri pant level. All he's got on his pants now is barefoot, bare chest, bare arms, no weapon. Calls him son yeah, Unless you've got. He quotes Thoreau yeah, For Grant Dibley's the Live Afresh Thoreau.

Speaker 1: 58:45

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 3: 58:46

And then he says unless you've had a change of heart, let's begin the unfortunates.

Speaker 4: 58:53

Yeah, and this is, I think, something that I am sure Coach would want to be involved in, so I don't want to get into the conversation yet, but I think this is why I have a much higher tolerance and acceptance for things like damage and trauma and tragedy happening. I don't think that it is a thing that by itself would ruin or break a person or make them unhappy later in life. I think that being unable to resolve those things could do that. But he spent two and a half years in a murder prison in Thailand after the love of his life betrayed him, and he has figured out a way of working through it?

Speaker 4: 59:45

Probably not as healthy as he could have been Like murdering a bunch of dudes probably wasn't the best way of doing that. But he is now at a point where he has a job and he is a pillar of community and he's going to search for a boy who he thinks needs help, even though all that shit happened to him. Like he is processed through it, the issue is not what happens to you. The issue is can you get through it? And he is at a place where it seems like he's relatively peaceful. He is, at the very least, okay enough telling his story that he could tell it to this guy, calvin, without seemingly being upset.

Speaker 3: 1:00:28

I don't like you. I know I'm a wimp no, that's not true. I adore you, but also, what I was going to say was something you'll really like is my kids are home from college and my daughter said to me, dad, in front, she started critiquing my parenting and she said you're gonna love this. And I said I'm gonna tell boss this because this is straight out of bosses handbook. She said, dad, this is very happy here and you're, you're, you're, you're hurting my son, my 14 year old. She said this is very happy here and you're, you're, you're hurting my son, my 14 year old. She said you're hurting him.

Speaker 3: 1:00:59

You don't know it, but like, the world is not orderly like this. The world doesn't talk out their issues, the world is. It's like, it's like a prison riot out there and I got hammered when I first realized what it was like out there when I first went to school so it was the beginning of her first year of college and she's like, I got it hit me like a ton of bricks and it was interesting. I was just laughing and uh, and I said, oh, boss will really love this and she's like you know, if you had, you know, conditioned me a little bit more, you know, but you're setting him up for the same thing. I don't want him to have to go through that. And so of course I said, all right, yeah, you know, we'll talk about how best to do that. But my defense is like how are you doing Like, did you have the tools to get through? Were you able?

Speaker 3: 1:01:50

to navigate it and did you lose anything from your childhood? And how does it feel to be back? Yeah, and also it feels great, but it's not. This is not real.

Speaker 1: 1:02:00

This is not real well. This is like a fake.

Speaker 3: 1:02:03

We're all laughing all the time, we're all having a great time, we all really enjoy each other's company. When there's an issue like I'm critiquing your parenting and you're not saying how dare you critique my parenting, you're saying great point, let's, let's, let's figure out a better way. She's like it doesn't work like that. People are petty and you know what I mean. It's like this, yeah, and she's like it was a, it was a culture shock yes, and I think that it's going to be a culture shock, regardless, hopefully.

Speaker 4: 1:02:31

Um and I'm not, I, I can't be a parent, I'd be terrible at it um, I will say I think you, I, I would never recommend that anybody. You know we talked about toughening people up. Don't do that, don't make things harder, for them artificially.

Speaker 4: 1:02:47

Don't love yeah yeah, but don't artificially make things easier either, which a a lot of parents, especially a lot of the parents you know around my age. Essentially they were like, oh, I'm going to call the teacher and talk this out and I'm like, well, I don't know, man does. Does the kid need to figure out how to do their homework? More like you could help them with their homework, but you can't do the things for them. You can't prevent them from feeling bad things because they're going to eventually and you giving them the tools to do it is what you need to do, but you can't hide them away from the world.

Speaker 3: 1:03:23

The interesting part. You're not wrong, boss, and you have to do some measure of that. And if you don't, you really are doing your kids a disservice in not conditioning them to be able to just weather the storm, because storms are always coming. Yes, there's always another train coming down the track, there's always another strike. Like you can set your watch to it, and can you? You know, coach and I always tell our kids the same thing, which is not how many times you get knocked down, it's how many times you get back up, exactly. And so, yes, we're all generally saying the same thing. I think, in my case, you grow up with a childhood where it feels unprotected, unsafe. All the time. You want to build a place of safety for your kids, at least a rudimentary place of security. And then the question is this is then it becomes hard, and you haven't been able to go through this, but I'm sure you've seen with your um I didn't mean to phrase it that way like been able, like it's a like.

Speaker 3: 1:04:18

It's a like, it's a reward or something, but you haven't, yeah no, no, no I mean with your nieces and nephews, but I mean you haven't gone um through this directly. But there it becomes this balance where you're like, okay, where's the line? And it's not a line based on your parenting style or the world, uh, you know in toto, it's a. It is a line that you draw which is completely subjective and completely situational, based on where the kid is in their development and who they are and what's their situation and who you are in the moment and who your family is where you live. It's like this tremendous amount of criteria that gets lumped in. So that's why it's hard to say, okay, then where are those lines? It's not. You can't paint with primary colors in these things. It's very, very nuanced.

Speaker 4: 1:05:09

No, no, no, absolutely. I cannot say that anybody could come up with any hard and fast rules. There's also going to be things where just based on social acumen or how kids fit in with groups like a kid could have a rough time in elementary school because I wasn't great at making friends.

Speaker 4: 1:05:26

Shocked. I'm sure everybody's shocked, but I didn't have a lot of friends in elementary school because I was a weirdo and I'm good with it now. But like that would be a different thing than my other siblings who were pretty popular, like that. That's just a different way. I don't think that there are any rules. I think it varies case by case. I think parents usually try to do the best.

Speaker 4: 1:05:47

The only thing I will say is, if you need to keep your 18 year old son home from school, home from going away to college, because he doesn't know how to work the washing machine yet, you did not do a good enough job of training them on day to day things. I will go ahead and say that I knew a woman who said my son is going to stay home one year, go to community college. I'm going to teach him how to do laundry and how to make dinner for himself so that he could have soup and grilled cheese. And I was like ma'am, ma'am, a nine-year-old can make themselves a grilled cheese. The fuck are you talking about? So that's the thing you got to weigh that out. Don't go one way or the other too hard I'm way, way too far on the side.

Speaker 3: 1:06:36

You don't like. Uh, it was funny. No, no, I am I, I no, no, no, I definitely need to be better about. But, um, um, we went to uh, it's this orientation for, uh, my son got into an art school for next year. Yeah, and uh, and he's, uh, he's great, 14 years old. He didn't like the school he was in. It was a stem school and he's like, I just, I'm a writer, I want to go right, so great, you got into this very prestigious art school. We were very, you know, like blown, blown away. It was like a feels like a miracle.

Speaker 3: 1:07:06

Um, and people fly out from all over the world to go to this, this particular art school, um, which is even more, you know, it's like astounding.

Speaker 3: 1:07:13

Uh, that happens to just be, you know, 30 minutes from where we live, and so you got people from all over the world and different cultures and different beliefs and different, you know, whatever. And so they have this, the Dean of Students, like the sort of brass tacks, sort of first line of defense. She is giving this speech and she is like, like when I first saw her, she's like sort of a sort of a I don't know what it's like, just like a strong looking woman. She's got great like real curly, kind of kind of crazy hair and, um, and I just lean over to Julianne, I'm like, is that my new best friend? Like right away? I'm like I love her, I love her and she's like, listen, she's going through all the things and she says, parents, I know you're going to say, hey, you want to get a laundry service for your kids, but teach them to do the goddamn laundry. And if you won't, I will. I'm happy to go down and show them their dorm parents will, and if you won't I will.

Speaker 3: 1:08:15

I'm happy to go down and show them their dorm. Parents will, because these kids are boarders. Not my son is a day student, but a lot of these kids live in the dorms and she's like they can do their laundry. They can do their laundry. I know it seems crazy for some of you. Some of you hear that and you say no, they can't. And she says and I know that there are cultural elements here that we're not aware of she said there was this one student who came from a very wealthy family and you know it's about six weeks into school and some of the other students start to complain Like hey, this other student who has just arrived, he's not, you know, like his self-care is not up to snuff, he's very, it's a very.

Speaker 3: 1:08:59

There's some odors coming from from the unknown yeah, got to have to work on hygiene Need a little help on. Yeah, in the hygiene department. And she said so. We pulled him aside and we, we talked to him. We said hey, you, you know, can we help you, or whatever. And then he started crying and he said I, I don't know how to clean myself because he came from a family where he was sponge bathed by servants. No, swear to God, no, yeah, His whole life he did not know how to shower. So so you just go. Okay, I know you think I'm bad I, I, I, I.

Speaker 4: 1:09:41

So I'm just saying it exists, it's cultural, it's cultural for fuck's sake I can't, but he was a teenager like he was, like I think it was.

Speaker 3: 1:09:52

Uh, I think he was 12 when he got there. Because they take early, they come in a little early, but yes, right, it's like yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4: 1:10:01

Yeah, no listen. If that kid was masturbating, that means you can't have somebody sponge bathing him. That's unacceptable.

Speaker 3: 1:10:07

Not everybody's masturbating when you did, boss. Not everyone comes out of the womb and starts immediately masturbating.

Speaker 4: 1:10:18

No, but 12 year old boys are I met 12 year old boys before.

Speaker 3: 1:10:19

Yeah, no, it's a fair, it's a fair bet, that's. Yeah, you're playing the statistics, I like I just you just say, okay, it's there's. You know, I would not have thought that, I would not have thought that that was the reason why the young man uh.

Speaker 4: 1:10:32

Was challenged and yes, and so I think, like am I trying to be as compassionate for a kid who doesn't know how to shower, because he's already always been sponge bathed, as I would be for like a kid that moved into the dorms and doesn't know how to work a printer because they've never had a printer?

Speaker 3: 1:10:56

like see. But how does that kid know it's not his fault, he didn't?

Speaker 4: 1:11:00

know I'm going to some wealthy family yeah, I'm saying I'm trying to have the same amount of compassion. Oh you're getting soft.

Speaker 3: 1:11:06

You're getting soft. Look at you. Oh, this is me and coach. I tell coach that you're trying to have compassion but also those rich fucking parents.

Speaker 4: 1:11:14

I want to con them out of their money because they're doing such a bad job with it. They do not deserve to have that yeah well, jesus. Christ.

Speaker 3: 1:11:26

In the faithful words of William, Money in Unforgiven deserves got nothing to do with it. Oh, for fuck's sake so we're going to move on from the scene, but I want to just show you something here. I was noticing Calvin's head, and then I was noticing my head in the camera. And I was like if I do watch, watch if I make the same face.

Speaker 4: 1:11:46

I'm like Are you going to try to grow out that handlebar mustache a little bit?

Speaker 3: 1:11:50

Well look I kind of look, you got to say, you got to admit there's similarity. He's maybe a little more round, I might be a little more ovular, maybe it's just the beard. I think it's the beard, you think that's it. We're both equally round headed. I think, if we got, you if we shaved you upright and don't tell Juliana that I told you to do this.

Speaker 4: 1:12:10

I cannot be blamed for this. No, I will blame you. A gold chain. I think you could pull that off for halloween. Nobody would know. It would be like the year that I went as um uh, cheryl tunt from archer. I dressed up as her when I first had red hair 10, 12 years ago. I even had a little name tag that said shut up.

Speaker 3: 1:12:26

I know, and you gotta send me a picture.

Speaker 4: 1:12:28

I don't know if I have one. This was before we had camera phones. Like not, most of the people who knew had a flip phone still oh wow it's a while back, but no, nobody picked up. I was like that's fine never want to change.

Speaker 3: 1:12:41

Coach still wears a chain. I've worn, uh, when I was I once someone gave me, uh, one of those rawhide necklaces with a little thing on it, uh like a little, I don't know shark tooth. It wasn't a shark tooth, but it was.

Speaker 4: 1:12:53

You know what I mean, and then I've had a little bead thing.

Speaker 3: 1:12:55

Yeah, yeah, yeah I've had the bead one and I've had the whatever, and they each lasted about eight seconds before my sensory shit kicked in and I was like ah, get this off me, I don't wear rings for those. No, don't remember, I don't wear rings, don't wear watches, don't wear cannot wear earrings for much, for like more than two hours.

Speaker 4: 1:13:14

I can't, I cannot no yeah no, I I try to wear earrings because I do like the way that they look, but I it's only for special dinners. I've got a fitbit that I have to move, like from my ankle to my wrist regularly enough so that it doesn't bother me.

Speaker 3: 1:13:27

That's really funny. Can you wear a choker? Oh god listen, you wear a fitbit as a choker absolutely fucking not, and god bless him.

Speaker 4: 1:13:36

Mitch hedberg, talking about how um wearing a turtleneck is just like having a very small person grabbing your neck all day long. You just like you put on a turtleneck and a backpack. It's just like a tiny person trying to strangle you over eight hours I had not heard that.

Speaker 3: 1:13:53

That is great, that's true. So you and I have the same sensory issues, boss, it's cool.

Speaker 4: 1:13:59

I used to make my mom cut the feet off my pajamas, because why the fuck would you want sweaty feet in the middle of the night?

Speaker 3: 1:14:06

well, you lose the option. It's the option if you have you can put your foot under something, or you can put if you are encased in velour, if you put a foot on my pajamas, then my foot needs to stay in there.

Speaker 4: 1:14:22

I've lost control. That's absolutely not.

Speaker 3: 1:14:26

And in that era the foot pajamas had that plasticky foot pad thing.

Speaker 4: 1:14:34

Oh, I'm so scared. Gross, so gross, so gross, so gross. They would put us in those in order to go to sleep. Like what the fuck.

Speaker 3: 1:14:45

Yeah, it's like being a prisoner.

Speaker 4: 1:14:49

Yes, and now my bed I've mentioned is my favorite place in all of Chicago. I love it the most. Um, my covers are all as soft as I want them to be and I'm just going to go ahead and plug them. Fucking negative underwear the long Johns from negative underwear. It's every time I put them on I do the Ned Flanders. It's like wearing nothing at all.

Speaker 1: 1:15:14

Really Nothing at all.

Speaker 3: 1:15:15

Oh my God, they're so incredible.

Speaker 4: 1:15:17

No seams. They're so fucking soft. They're light, they're not too tight, but they're tight enough. Fucking it's. Every time that I get to wear them is a good day.

Speaker 3: 1:15:27

It is fascinating. And listen again, you, you haven't had the the you know once in a lifetime luxury of of raising your own children, um, but um, it's so funny to watch how there's six people in our family myself, juliana and four kids. It's so great. We all have different tensile limitations for sock tightness or like you know what I mean. Like, oh, I like it tight here, but I don't like it, like sometimes. I saw my son pull on these, these socks, and I'm like those are cutting off, like all the circulation to your ankle. Like I don't you sure about that?

Speaker 3: 1:16:01

He's like oh yeah, no, I need it. I need it there, but I don't want it tight in the toe box area. I'm like what in the but? Everyone's different.

Speaker 1: 1:16:08

It's the I don't know.

Speaker 3: 1:16:11

I think it's just amazing.

Speaker 4: 1:16:13

Different people, different things that make them want to gag when they think about touching them. It's so funny.

Speaker 3: 1:16:19

Well, calvin, let's begin the unfortunates. And now I'm just going to walk us through. You really have to see it. Boss and I were talking before we started rolling and she's like, I mean, what are we going to do? Talk our way through the fight, but it's like it's funny because wayne has become secondary. But the way that this whole show is designed, wayne is the protagonist, but it was never him versus calvin, that was never right. It was more him versus reggie or something right because everyone's sort of aligned. But you're like, okay, then who's going to take out calvin? And I did not see that. It was gill. Like you know, six episodes ago I didn't see, like, what is it going to be? Um, was it going to be tommy cole? Is that the person that goes head to head with calvin? No, it can't really be right. No, and I didn't. I thought, okay, calvin and jay are kind of similarly sized but jay gets just but cup Kapasuf come on.

Speaker 4: 1:17:17

No, Kapasuf isn't doing it, Kapasuf not happening.

Speaker 3: 1:17:21

Chamomile went out like the victim of a Kendrick Lamar diss, and Jay was worse than that. At least Chamomile got one hit in on Wayne, right, jay got nothing. What was he doing?

Speaker 4: 1:17:43

Yeah, he's not. He doesn't seem like a puncher to me. No. He seems like he has always been very good at breaking up fights by throwing his body in between people.

Speaker 3: 1:17:56

Right, he does not punch.

Speaker 4: 1:17:57

It's like a baby Huey, he's like a big he can pick you up and bear, hug you away from the danger. That is it.

Speaker 3: 1:18:03

Okay, so here I will talk. I will do the best I can to talk through the fight. They start to circle a little bit, oh, and then we actually are cut. We cut out of this, we go right to the diner. So, boss, walk us through this scene.

Speaker 4: 1:18:15

Oh Jesus. So Orlando starts to reach for something or starts to look, tommy Cole says oh no, no, no, no.

Speaker 3: 1:18:25

I got this.

Speaker 4: 1:18:26

Hey kids, I'm going to pay for this dinner, Don't worry about it.

Speaker 3: 1:18:29

I thought that was so funny. I got this.

Speaker 4: 1:18:32

I got this like I know this, like dell's gonna pay for it yeah, uh. So he grabs the bill, says uh, he holds it up he holds it up like he's toasting with it, like he is.

Speaker 3: 1:18:43

He is making a show. He's making this it's I benevolent professor, I mean uh, principal, I will, I will handle this don't worry.

Speaker 4: 1:18:53

Don't worry, guys. No, yeah, this is um.

Speaker 3: 1:18:55

It's like they're at the ritz so this is the thing.

Speaker 4: 1:18:58

In college when I met one of my five who is amazing uh, her older sister and, um, then girlfriend, now wife. They came into champaign, illinois, which is a cute little college town but like in in central ill, not that fancy whatsoever no no, they at the time we're living in San Francisco.

Speaker 4: 1:19:20

They came out to visit. They took me and my friend roommate at the time and I think maybe one or two other people like four college kids. These two grown women with jobs took us out. We all went to eat at the olive garden and at the end of the night some of us started like pulling out our fives and tens. We're like, okay, well, we've got. And they're like, yeah, no, we can cover this. We, you guys, aren't old enough to drink. We can get your eggplant parmesan. Like do not trip. And so at the time I always think about how funny it is that we were like, oh, I guess, does anybody have change for a 12 like?

Speaker 4: 1:19:55

we were such stupid kids and so being able to do that at these times when you're like, hey, I'm gonna cover the entire table, yeah, he's really milking it it's very funny and uh, again a little, just a little, character beat, totally unnecessary, uh, but yeah, but great, it's just great.

Speaker 3: 1:20:13

Um, again, very well lit, um, great shot here, a lot of depth, because we're looking through, looking right down the table, like perpendicular to the booth, looking through, you know, with the window in the background which gives light and depth. Orlando and Tommy Cole on one side, dale on the other, and keep going here, boss he says alright, well, this is good, we're doing the right thing.

Speaker 4: 1:20:38

Wayne found his mom, we found you, I found this little fuzz ball. We're all very lucky. And then the dog whines and he says you know what? I'm going to call you lucky. I'm going to call you lucky. Well, looks like he's got to lift his leg or something, so I'm gonna pay the bill. Come on, little buddy. And then heads out of the books. And then we go back to orlando and dell and he says jury's still out whether or not that's going to be lucky for lucky on account of time. He calls dead ducks, he kills dogs.

Speaker 3: 1:21:13

It's his whole thing yeah, he's got to explain it. He got to explain. We get the joke. But dell is like what are you? He kills dogs, it's his whole thing.

Speaker 4: 1:21:22

It's a whole thing, yeah. And then, noticing that she is not being very responsive, he says what's wrong? And she immediately sits up and says shut, I wasn't thinking about him. Shut up, yeah, because you definitely weren't. Uh, he says it sounds like you were. How'd you guys meet wayne, obviously most of you talking about? I mean, she didn't even say I wasn't thinking about wayne. She said I wasn't thinking about him, so that's fine. But she then says I sold them some cookies. And Orlando goes oh so your cookies, which Super cute. It is cute, but there's a lot more to that than it means. Wayne was talking about her. Yeah.

Speaker 4: 1:22:08

Wayne was telling his friends about her, yeah, and that he knows.

Speaker 3: 1:22:14

Oh okay, cookies, I know that story already yeah, and wayne did not know her name in the beginning. She just came by, I don't know. She might be my girlfriend, I don't know she said if I can get enough money, she might think about it. What's her name? I don't know, cookies, whatever, like I don't know she's right, yeah well, I sold her cookies, you just become referred.

Speaker 4: 1:22:33

It's um, oh man, ellen maen. I'm really sorry about this. You might want to turn it off for 30 seconds. It's as cute as the fact that, even though I knew a lot of Craig's friends before I met him, because he and I started dating early November they would at first refer to me as holiday trim, which is a thing that didn't last. It was intentionally a very vulgar, horrible joke, but they did. That was a thing that they said once or twice. Wow.

Speaker 4: 1:23:12

Now this was a long time ago. Standards have changed. I don't know if I would feel the same way about it now, but at the time, time ago, standards have changed. I don't know if I would feel the same way about it now, but at the time I thought it was really amusing, and so I still laugh about it now.

Speaker 3: 1:23:24

It's you know, I feel about wordplay.

Speaker 4: 1:23:26

I can't.

Speaker 3: 1:23:27

Yeah, no, that's it's, it's, it's clever, okay, so, yeah, so you're cookies. And she, and she looks down and what does she say?

Speaker 4: 1:23:37

Says why'd you come all the way to this shithole? I thought Wayne didn't have friends. And he says oh me and Wayne go way back. I pissed off some dudes who were going to break my arms but, being a plan hatching motherfucker, I hired the craziest dude in town to watch my back. Shortly after that he came to me to return the favor and then a great cut of Orlando on his laptop, Wayne busting through the door saying you know computers, you know how to do computers.

Speaker 3: 1:24:11

You know how to do computers.

Speaker 4: 1:24:12

Because that's how you talk about that. You know how to do computers.

Speaker 3: 1:24:15

You know how to do computers. Yeah's how, that's how you talk about that. You know how to do computers. You know how to do computers. Yeah, so this is a flashback now. Yes, and wayne looks like younger, he's clean they must have filmed this first oh yeah, like this must have been the first shot that they had. It must have and then told him to stop cutting his hair oh, yeah, for sure. And don't. Don't clean yourself for a year. You know how to do computers, and what does Orlando say?

Speaker 4: 1:24:42

Wayne's just like a caveman when it comes to anything electronic. And then she says he's like a xenoman and he says right. Anyway, let me tell you a story. Wayne found this kid being blackmailed with video, so he came to me. Wayne found this kid being blackmailed with a video, so he came to me and then in this flashback we're seeing Wayne listening to some asshole with a laptop on the front porch, overhearing whatever the blackmailer with a laptop was saying.

Speaker 3: 1:25:07

It's in their neighborhood and in a shitty house, just like theirs. We don't see the kid. The kid has their back to us. But we see that the blackmailer is the guy from the very first scene that was being chased by Wayne Right.

Speaker 4: 1:25:21

Right. So this is the story of how he got this blackmailer who we watched in the beginning, him bust the shit out of with the garden. Yeah. So now we're closing that loop. He found the guy pretty quick. We went through all the shit to make sure the video was deleted for good, and then he says it's gone from the cloud, from his phone, laptop, everything yeah, this is in the past.

Speaker 3: 1:25:47

Now Orlando's in the. He's now in the room where Wayne dropped the gnome on the chain to beat the guy. After pouring the ravioli on top of his head. That whole scene. That was like what is that? We had no idea what that was. But yeah, orlando is looking on the guy's laptop. It's gone from the cloud, all his phone's, laptop, everything.

Speaker 4: 1:26:09

And then he says we should be good to go, closes the laptop, hands it to Wayne. Wayne looks at it for a second and then reaches over his shoulder and drops him in the fish tank behind him, just because it needs to be gone forever. He then grabs the blackmailer off the floor, drags him into the other room I was happy that the guy was like Not dead, not dead.

Speaker 4: 1:26:33

Yeah, I was like, oh my God, and the guy's begging as Wayne drags him into the it ends up being a little bit of a pleading like no, no, no, into a scream it's, it's, it's for real, it's it's not for everybody.

Speaker 3: 1:26:49

It's not for everybody. I apologize to our ted last, yeah it is whatever.

Speaker 4: 1:26:58

To the point where they do a single of orlando going like jesus, yes, yes, like orlando knows that he went to wayne because wayne was the craziest motherfucker in town and he's still like it's shit, all right, uh. So then, after the the screaming ends, we cut back to the present dell what the hell was on that video? And Orlando says some girl's mom she was trying to put on her shoe falling down. It's all fucked up. And then close in on Del as he's saying.

Speaker 3: 1:27:29

We get a camera move. We're like wait a second Pushing in on Del, yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 4: 1:27:36

He is saying she's high drunk, cracked out, and dell's face starts cracking, starts breaking. He says it's some pretty fucked up shit and then flashback to the blackmailer saying 20 bucks a week, bitch, or your mom goes viral with dell being the kid that he was talking to. Do you love it so much?

Speaker 3: 1:28:07

I was like, wait, what? Yeah, like what? Yeah, I thought tell me what you think of this. No, wait, hold on. He says, come on, pay up, we should. We get a shot of wayne listening to what's what. Yeah, I thought tell me what you think of this. No, wait, hold on. He says, come on, pay up. We get a shot of Wayne listening to what's happening. And now we get a reaction of Del like breaking down, like having a.

Speaker 4: 1:28:26

Like she is going to start sobbing.

Speaker 3: 1:28:28

We're super tight on her. It's just her face and frame, Barely get any of her shoulders and Orlando goes holy shit. And what does he say?

Speaker 4: 1:28:37

Holy shit, your blackmail and cookies. Damn. Wayne's been looking out for you for like years. And then we cut flashback to the blood drive Del's storming out covered in blood and Wayne is eating a cookie, like not upset at all, smiling at Del, watching her leave like smiling happy.

Speaker 3: 1:29:06

Everyone in the room is running like it's a bomb scare.

Speaker 4: 1:29:09

Everyone is ducking. There are people behind him ducking yes, yeah. And he's standing there eating him ducking yes, yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:29:12

And he's standing there eating a cookie like laughing yeah.

Speaker 4: 1:29:17

Mm-hmm, and I don't know if you were paying enough attention. I teared up again when that happened, like when we were watching it. I'd already seen it before. Still, I fucking love it. I think it's great. I love that Wayne would have noticed her. I love that they never explicitly spelled out that Wayne and Del went to high school together or that they knew each other before the beginning of episode one. When did you tear up? When we watched it? I mean, when I watched it the first time, I'm saying, okay, we watched okay.

Speaker 3: 1:29:52

Craig, but then when you Orlando and I watched it.

Speaker 4: 1:29:54

The three of us watched it. Okay, got it, still got me.

Speaker 3: 1:29:58

So what specifically thing got you? What got you specifically what moment?

Speaker 4: 1:30:03

Um, probably, I think it actually was how much he seemed like he liked her as she was walking away. That like that's.

Speaker 4: 1:30:12

It's that relationship that I always fall back on. Like she in this moment looks like a total, fucking crazy person and nobody understands why she is savaging the blood drive that she set up that she thought was going to help her become class president, and Wayne is like, yeah, this is fucking awesome. Look at her, go, this is great. Like there was something about the extent to which we understood how long their relationship had actually existed or how long it had lasted. That I really liked.

Speaker 3: 1:30:44

But yeah, he sees something in her that other people don't see and he then went out of his way in order to protect that okay, I color me stunned because I was bracing myself for you to be, for you to hate this and be like oh, he's a stalker. This is so creepy. And I was like, I was like fully what I told juliana. I was like I just I'm dreading the reveal. Reveal where Wayne's been kind of like quietly protecting Del all this time, because boss is going to say grooming, boss is going to say stalker, no, and I'm getting none of that. Which is getting the opposite, where you're like he's just admiring her and being a good like white knighting, which is what Ted was careful not to do, he didn't want to do that with, with barbecue sauce. You know all that stuff, you know they.

Speaker 4: 1:31:35

You know, I think I understand why people would be. I don't think anyone had that reaction I don't know, I don't think I haven't read that.

Speaker 3: 1:31:47

I haven't read notes where people worried about. I thought it was a great reveal.

Speaker 4: 1:31:49

I liked it I like, but I but I can see someone you know.

Speaker 3: 1:31:53

We live in a world where people have different points of view and, you know, sometimes they will see something that or they'll make a tangential connection, whatever, in a way that I, I personally, would. So I was worried that you might be seeing that or saying something like.

Speaker 4: 1:32:09

I feel like it could have been handled in a way that would not work as well.

Speaker 4: 1:32:13

But the fact that number one Del didn't know that Wayne had been doing that for years, that even when he had been like looking out for her, what he didn't do was go to her house and say, oh, by the way, I'm going to go beat the shit out of this guy, so you don't need to worry about your mom's video, like he didn't say that he didn this guy, so you don't need to worry about your mom's video, like he didn't say that he didn't let her know at all. It's probably a little bit weird that he, you know, followed her to wherever it was that the blackmailer blackmailed her. Also, I'm going to say that teenagers do stupid shit, especially when they're in love. I'm not I'm not forgiving some of the more severe shit, but I also know like, yeah, did my friends and I drive past our crush's houses, like with each? Were they like, hey, we're gonna drive past? Oh, fuck, why can't I think of a single one of my friends crushes?

Speaker 4: 1:33:02

for myself, it's unimportant now right but like, yeah, I think I think you kind of do weird things. I think you're trying to figure it out. I think he's keeping a respectful distance. He never tells her what he is doing.

Speaker 3: 1:33:14

No, he never really tries to get credit for it. He never makes.

Speaker 4: 1:33:17

That's the thing about white knighting is that people are like oh well, if you do anything nice for a woman, it's because you're white knighting. No, you can do nice things for women. You could do nice things for other people. You can do nice things and even make sure that they know that you did them. What you can't do is say oh well, I stood up to that bad guy for you, you should sleep with me. Now that like white knighting has become ubiquitous to the point of not being useful anymore.

Speaker 4: 1:33:41

It is very specifically saying I am going to stand up to you, to these other men, so you like me better than them and then do sex stuff with me.

Speaker 3: 1:33:50

Yeah, it makes it feel transactional. This was just like and I didn't get the weirdly. Uh, juliana and I talked a lot about this because I was trying to prep for this, this episode, um, but she's like do you have the sense that he is? I, I thought they framed it in a way where he's like a you know, like a like the equalizer or something like in this neighborhood.

Speaker 3: 1:34:11

He watches, watched. It's not just her. He keeps an eye on things and he knows what's right and wrong, and not that he's out there writing every wrong, but, but but if it comes across him yeah. Yeah, so that's. That's the way I write it.

Speaker 4: 1:34:25

One other brief thing. But if she had not shown up at his house selling cookies, he would have left town and never bothered her again.

Speaker 3: 1:34:33

Exactly yes, great point Right, it was just she just showed up on his.

Speaker 4: 1:34:39

I think especially the God bless him, mark McKenna, pulling off that look of like a just sort of I want to say bemused, but now I can never remember if bemused actually means that or if it means the opposite.

Speaker 3: 1:34:53

No, no, that's exactly right.

Speaker 1: 1:34:55

He's just like oh hey, look at this.

Speaker 4: 1:34:58

Yeah, hey, this is novel. I'm super into how this goes.

Speaker 3: 1:35:03

Now I want to twist the knife a little bit. You ready, not for you, but I just want to put a memory in your mind, you, but I just want to put a memory in your mind, bobby. When he found out she had this money, he yelled at her and he took the money, and he had done it before and that made her life harder. Now she had to figure out another way to pay the blackmailers. Yep, you know what I'm saying. Like now, yeah, the plot, it makes the plot thicken so much because we're like, why is she selling cookies? And we both thought, we all thought, with coach too. We're like, oh, she's a super scrappy, she's just looking out for herself, she's really. But now we know, like, oh, there was a reason. She had to, right, go out and go door to door and have people try to whatever see your feet or whatever the hell. Like she's putting herself in these dangerous situations literally to protect her mom and yeah, and I'm not sure.

Speaker 4: 1:36:02

I don't know how exactly the timeline works. I was trying to check about the hair, like just what dell's hair was like, because when she was younger no bangs, longer hair, a little more child like, yeah. So I can't tell from the blackmail video if this is before her mom died I think it is I think it's so. I think the video was before her mom died, so I don't know if that was when she was selling cookies look at her hair in the video.

Speaker 3: 1:36:29

Her hair is long. Right, I'm going, I'm reviewing it.

Speaker 4: 1:36:32

She looks like before yeah, she looks like a little kid, but does that mean that then the blackmail had stopped by the time she had come up with the cookie scheme? I don't know.

Speaker 4: 1:36:44

What I do know is that she felt like she couldn't go to her parents for this right no, she couldn't go to her parents and say like, hey, mom fucked up and we need to take care of this. So, like I think that what you're saying about bobby taking the money from her actually works, even if it wasn't exactly for the blackmail right just because he couldn't protect her from the things that he should have and he wasn't allowing her to make her life better by letting her fucking sell the cookies. The fuck, do you care, bobby? You're not giving her any shit. Anyway. You're gonna prevent her from also taking care of herself and your wife and your wife's reputation no it's yeah, that just makes it worse.

Speaker 3: 1:37:28

So, uh, dell's dell gets really emotional and she takes off right and it goes right by tommy cole. And what happens there? What does he say?

Speaker 4: 1:37:38

uh, tommy cole says what did you do? And orlando said I didn't do shit. Well, that's not true, that orlando, that isn't true. Like he, she didn't. He didn't do shit. But even he had to know that telling dell that she is both cookies and blackmail would do something for her, would change the calculus for her yeah there is no fucking way. After she found out that she was cookies and blackmail that she was going to be leaving without way I thought that was a cool way to get her back into the wayne.

Speaker 3: 1:38:12

Like she's like oh my god, like, and also I don't know that arlano doesn't know that he did like, he doesn't think he did shit, but him realizing it out loud, may, it was a big deal for her. It was like hit her really, really hard, but I think he was just put piecing it on his own. Okay, so now we cut back to a shot single of Wayne and the fight has started and it's like Geller's in the praying mantis sort of thing, with his hands out in front of him, wrists limp, sort of like in a reactionary very, very. He's nimble, whereas Calvin's like a big. It's almost like the If anyone ever saw the sword fight in Rob Roy, where Liam Neeson was Rob Roy and Tim Roth was his opponent.

Speaker 3: 1:39:01

I forget the guy's name, but Tim Roth had a rapier. Do you ever see this scene? You know what I'm going to find? I'm sure Rob Roy is ancient. No one sure rob roy's ancient. No one's seen this movie. It's probably 20 years old or so. Um, but it was a.

Speaker 3: 1:39:16

It was a spectacular sword fight. I mean one of my favorite, one of the best all time, like you think of like princess bride, like you think of like the best sword fights, like legitimate sword fights you ever seen. This one was. It's like it's like a textbook fight. One of them has a um, has a, has a heavy broadsword like a two-handing, two-hander broadsword, and one of them has a little rapier that's like a needle, and you're like, oh, I know who's gonna win. You know what I mean. And then you see you just they show you. Okay, now that's why that's how you fight a broadsword with a rapier. It's like absolutely masterful. And so it has that element. I'm going to post it on the community site. I'm sure it's on YouTube, but if I always forget to do it for like two days, so if anyone's in a hurry when they see this, just look up the sword fight between Tim Roth and Liam Neeson in Rob Roy, the film Rob Roy, and so they're circling each other.

Speaker 3: 1:40:14

There's a lot of kicking from Geller. It's straight punching. It's just straight fisticuffs from Calvin, but Geller's wearing him down. When Calvin lands a punch, he lands it, and I like that. It wasn't like oh, geller, yeah, geller has done all these. But it's and I like that it wasn't like oh, geller, yeah, geller has done all these um, but it's like if you've been in a fight or if you've scrapped whatever. It's not like it is in the movie, it's just it's usually really messy and and punches land, but they don't always land like you don't always hit perfectly with your knuckles, sometimes your fingers get whacked, sometimes your knee bends a little. There's all kinds of things. It's just messier. Everything in life fights are messier, and with someone who's I don't think Calvin has avoided scraps his whole life, so he knows how to throw a punch. And the thing I really liked about it is that Geller knows how to throw a punch, and the thing I really liked about is that geller knows how to take a punch, so he absorbs these hits.

Speaker 3: 1:41:15

Um, there there's this uh, I forget his name. There's several trainers do it now, but um, in the nfl there are these special trainers that show they're all judo based, so or taekwondo based, and so it's. These concepts are about like pushing and pulling, using force against your opponent, things like that. And when an NFL quarterback gets tackled if you get a quarterback we've talked about many times. Anyone who listens to the show coach and I will tell you there are 32 NFL teams. There are about 12 really good quarterbacks. That's about it. Maybe 15 on a a good year, 20. Which means there's 12 schmucks who are never going to win anything and they always play for the Bears Not this year. I don't know if you know that. No, no, this year they have the number one overall pick.

Speaker 4: 1:42:03

They are loaded for Bears, that part doesn't matter. This year it might. We could have gotten the greatest quarterback who's ever lived and we would somehow fuck it up.

Speaker 3: 1:42:16

Listen, the bears, the bears are. So they're such a weird team that they gave the Steelers two years ago they was Steelers a second round pick for a guy who was a joke like a receiver. That was a joke. And so you're like, oh, they're such schmucks. And then this year they got like one of the best hall of fame wide receiver from the chargers for like a sixth round pick. I was like why wouldn't any other team give somebody a fourth round pick or a third? The guy's so good, he's never not good, he's absolutely amazing. His name's keenan allen. And so now they have this young quarterback, the, the top overall pick, the best player to come out, they say in three or four years. He's their quarterback for the Bears. They also got like one of the best receivers. They also got this veteran receiver they traded for. So they really I know you say it's not going to matter, but maybe, well, you never know.

Speaker 3: 1:43:06

Things are cyclical in the sporting world.

Speaker 4: 1:43:14

I will cyclical in in in the sporting world. I will allow the white socks to get my hopes up, but I'm not. The bears know. When, the, when, the, when the super bowl parade is complete, I will believe that they could win the super bowl that year. Until then, absolutely not okay, that's fine.

Speaker 3: 1:43:25

I don't, I don't, I would never, never want you to get your hopes up in a way that might come crashing down. So anyway, the point about quarterbacks was that you learn how to take these hits, because even a crappy quarterback, if you fall and then the defensive lineman or whoever's hitting you linebacker, defense, whoever's sacking you falls on top of you, it can compress things in your body. Events, whoever's sacking you falls on top of you, it can compress things in your body. But if you learn how to like sort of untense your body and like let it sort of absorb the hit, they've shown that it's uh, much better. And teams that have quarterbacks that are uh upright tend to uh tend to do better, um, and uninjured. So I noticed this because geller, when Calvin hits him, and he hits him several times while we're watching, geller's whole torso contorts with the hit. You see that he gets hit on this last frame here, boss, and he's basically out of the shot. He is bent over so much from the hit, absorbing this headshot, that he almost leaves the entire frame of the of actually does. There's a tiny, there's a couple frames there where there's nothing in frame because he's hit so hard and he absorbs it that he goes out of frame. Um, it's beautifully backlit.

Speaker 3: 1:44:45

We get a lot of silhouette sort of uh things here and I don't know how to decide. It's so interesting. It's almost like, um, I don't know the style of martial arts that uh, it's, it's a little. It's got a little drunken boxing feel to it. It's got some like there's a point where, um, he hits calvin in the throat to sort of daze him uh, geller does, and then he climbs up. Calvin is like tottering back a little bit and geller climbs up onto his body, like standing on calvin's thighs, and then hits him, uh like on the top of the head with his elbow, like just an elbow drop straight down, like on the soft part of you know, for whatever, not not the softest part, but elbow directly to the skull. I'm sure that's uh, you know that's not what you want the middle of a fight no it.

Speaker 4: 1:45:42

It felt like, uh, calvin was trying to brute force it and, because he needs to, galler was going for very specific pain, pressure points. So, yeah, you knock his fucking windpipe out and then it doesn't matter how much he could hit you, because he cannot breathe and whatever that is on the top of the head, like your skull, is not a good place to try to hurt somebody. That fucking helmet you've got riding around up there is intended to keep your brain safe, but you could possibly, you know, make them see stars or something if you get them in the right angle yeah, and you're gonna.

Speaker 3: 1:46:19

You're gonna cause blood flow to the brain. You're gonna cause expansion. Yeah, there's swelling, there's a lot, there's a lot cooking here. Uh, geller is now moving, takes another hit. Wayne is watching intently. They'll do shots of wayne watching. And geller is like, moving, takes another hit. Wayne is watching intently. They'll do shots of Wayne watching. And Geller is like he can get, he can kick. You know he can do multiple kicks from what he's doing. And then, stupidly, calvin goes in for a kick and Geller catches the leg and brings his elbow down on Calvin's, like right on his thigh and like right you know another elbow, like there's a lot of elbow drops. I'm noticing.

Speaker 4: 1:46:58

Well, yeah, and that's the point of fighting in this way is that you. Calvin is not comfortable doing this, so gallery is comfortable with how Calvin will hit him. He knows how to handle that. Calvin doesn't know what the fuck to do with this guy, cause he won't just stand there and take a punch and he's not trying to punch back, like part of the strategy here is to throw them off. So that why the fuck are you kicking Calvin? Do you think you can get your leg up that high? You can't. You can't do it.

Speaker 3: 1:47:26

Well, it's hard to kick somebody and you're not trained for it. I I remember I was yes, it's true, and you're exactly right, boss. Um calvin is um, he's fighting like you're in a bar room or like in a. There's a thing about there's this presupposition where you fight, where it's like it's going to end quickly or it's going to get broken up. I, I had a friend who was a like a division one wrestler and we were on a beach one time and and he was a lot older than me.

Speaker 3: 1:47:58

He was like a mentor, he's like a guy I really looked up to, a few years older than me, and I remember some guys that came after him or whatever, just kind of causing trouble, and it was like at a bonfire on a beach and it was one in the morning or something, and these guys were about to start something and he said listen, listen, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I know you think this is a good idea, but it's not a good idea. And just let me tell you why. Before you throw a punch, I'm going to wrap you up and I'm not going to fight you. I'm not going to fight you, I'm not going to throw a punch, I'm not going to hurt my fingers, I'm like a Olympic caliber wrestler and I'm just going to wrap you up and once I have you wrapped up, you will not be able to get out and nobody is going to break this up. No one's going to run in, the cavalry is not going to come and there's no cops anywhere. There's no, whatever, no, you and there's no cops anywhere. There's no, whatever, no, you know, nobody's gonna break this up and I'm gonna hold you until your till, your windpipe gives it. Till I, till I squeeze you and put you to sleep, and if you want that to happen in front of everybody, then okay, like I.

Speaker 3: 1:49:04

But I really don't want to. I don't even know you man. Like I don't want to fight or whatever, and it was good enough that they. They were like, okay, well, fuck you, that you know they backed off. But calvin is fighting in that way where he's like someone's gonna come break it up. It's a bar and brawl. They usually last seconds, two minutes at the most, before someone breaks it up. Cops run in bouncers. Stop it. You know somebody.

Speaker 3: 1:49:28

Yeah, you know or it's one punch and then they're out, right?

Speaker 4: 1:49:32

oh yeah, if you hit like calvin, sure yeah, but he no, he is not built for stamina. This is, uh you. You said rob roy, this is um the mountain and the viper from game of thrones, right, yes, he is not built for this kind of fighting, calvin, excellent excellent.

Speaker 3: 1:49:47

Another great, yeah, the Mountain and the Viper is a good. It's a very good point. It's so funny though In this fight. Oh, he does another God, so many. That's his orbital bone. I didn't notice.

Speaker 3: 1:50:02

Geller gets back up on top of Calvin and Calvin is trying to like figure out what he's doing, like he's got his, just as a to give people an understanding, geller's belt, like his, his waist, is in front of calvin's nose, like it.

Speaker 3: 1:50:19

You know, it's basically like he's got his legs over calvin's shoulders almost. And then he does a series of elbow drops right into calvin's orbital bone, like the bone surrounding your eye it's Calvin's left eye and then he gets Calvin's arm, like up by his torso and he locks it's like a figure four leg lock. Basically he locks his legs behind Calvin's this is so nuts, it's behind Calvin's head and slowly, slowly, pulls himself all the way back. He can't fall back because Calvin is strong and Calvin is holding him up as they kind of go down to the ground locks his ankles again and brings Calvin down and just cuts off the blood flow to Calvin's head and Calvin fights it and you can see Gellar is sort of um struggling to put the final, like the kibosh on. You know, calvin is like arching his back trying to break free, and then that's when what happens, boss?

Speaker 4: 1:51:31

that is when wayne reaches out with the one foot that can barely reach and pushes calvin's head all the way down into the pan of whatever that is that'd be motor oil when you there you go. That seems like. It seems like that would be something you change a change in the change oil in your car.

Speaker 3: 1:51:48

It's just there's all these pans that catch the motor oil, and that that's what that is. It puts its face into the motor oil and that's enough to knock Calvin out. Calvin's blood flow is cut off to his brain and he goes to sleep, like what my friend was talking about.

Speaker 4: 1:52:02

Yeah, and the thing about fighting in this way because I have a lot of familiarity with fistfights, obviously, but it is that Geller climbed up on top of Calvin. Calvin then either needed to stand up and support Geller's entire weight. Geller might only weigh half as much as Calvin does, but all of a sudden you're walking around with 50% more body weight and trying to kick and not fall down, because as soon as he falls down, calvin's fucked. Kick and not fall down, because as soon as he falls down, calvin's fucked. So you gotta, doesn't matter how much galler weighs if galler can climb up on top of his shoulders and use it against him and also, if you're that close, you can't wind up for a good hit like there's no, you have no power.

Speaker 3: 1:52:42

When somebody's like it like literally smashed up against you, what do you have? You got headbutt him, great, but you can't get his head free. It was really clever. I mean, I don't know who the stunt coordinator was. We should look that up. But this, this was a hell of a good. Let me look it up while we're here this was I.

Speaker 4: 1:52:58

I will fully admit that I have, you know, checked the reddit boards on some of the swain stuff and the fight. This fight was one of the things that people talked about more often than anything else like this was something that people really you. I think you could find it like a clip of it on youtube. I would recommend just watching that. Unless you have an aversion to violence, then don't do it. But it's still. It's kind of violent.

Speaker 1: 1:53:23

There's no blood, it's it's not like it's not graphic, it's not gory, it's not like someone tearing.

Speaker 3: 1:53:29

You know you're more, you're more graphic. Uh, scene is in like Patrick Swayze's roadhouse has more, but you know what I mean.

Speaker 3: 1:53:36

This is yeah, this is, yeah, exactly. This is just, this is just um. You know really good technique. Neil Davison is the stunt coordinator, um is the stunt coordinator, um for 10 episodes and um, good, good for him, because this is real good. This is like no joke. And you're right, people, this is something that's memorable for people. So, uh, geller gets up, he says thanks to wayne, like, pulls the gag out of his mouth and just says thanks, like which I was, like that's I that? And he's breathing heavy and he says to Wayne I gave you a second chance. You won't get a third. You're under arrest.

Speaker 4: 1:54:23

I mean.

Speaker 3: 1:54:27

That's got to feel like vindication for you, because if that's me, I would say I wasn't going to give you another chance, but you helped me. So we good Like I would have been like, hey, you get a third chance because of what you just did and because I see your situation and I all see the better. But I really I thought you, you personally, would be like hot damn, hold onto those boundaries.

Speaker 4: 1:54:52

You Damn, Hold on to those boundaries, you won't get a third. You won't get a third. I think not. Yes, number one. He said I'm here, I want to give you a second chance. I want to bring you home. I want to figure this out. I think part of the you're under arrest, you're not getting a third chance was one. Yes, this is his code. Geller has as much of a code as wayne does and geller's code is I gave you one chance I am not giving you. You you're not getting the second one.

Speaker 4: 1:55:18

The other thing is this is way above his fucking pay grade, above geller's pay grade oh my god like it was one thing when he thought that he was going after a couple of runaway teenagers or maybe this guy had.

Speaker 4: 1:55:31

I don't think he ever believed that Wayne kidnapped Dell, but he thought I'm going to find, you know, I should be a truant officer right now, finding these kids who were running away from school and chasing him all the way down the Eastern seaboard, getting to Florida and realizing at the end of this the place that you were coming to is a meth compound where your stepfather was trying to murder you. So I can't. I need to put you under arrest for your protection more than anybody else, because once you're in the system, at least we can figure out what to do with you. But what he's supposed to bring him back to Brockton and let him live in the burned down house where his dead dad was like. At this point I think it's more out of necessity than anything else. I think it is what he would do, but it's fucking necessity I love that take.

Speaker 3: 1:56:17

uh, one of the things I want to say is you remember when we first met geller with like you and coach I don't know if you definitely coach was like who is this horse's ass? Oh yeah, his service revolver was, just like you know, sitting on the shelf and the you know the boy, the stupid twins.

Speaker 4: 1:56:34

He had his hands down his pants.

Speaker 3: 1:56:36

Yeah, he had his hands down his pants. That's how we met him and we're like is he just delusional? Like he's not listening to people, you know? And then that's where the sort of second chances concept comes from. But now Wayne's under arrest, so the show's over right. Like comes from but now Wayne's under arrest, so the show's over, right, we don't need a tenth episode because Wayne's under arrest right?

Speaker 4: 1:56:53

Well, we're going to have to find out how things are tied up. Is Lucky actually Lucky? Also, we get the slow-mo walk of Adele on a fucking mission. So no, things are not finished yet.

Speaker 3: 1:57:08

It's so funny I really want, when I see how many beauty shots there are of ciara, bravo. I. Sometimes I'm like I wish this thing was called what I was called dell, because there's so many moments it could have easily been. You know what I mean? Because she, whatever it, whatever it's, just, it's, it's captivating. Um, and then we of course, cut to the wayne splash screen and um, and that, that does it. That does it for episode nine. Thought we was friends. It is, uh, it's a real humdinger boss.

Speaker 4: 1:57:46

It's a lot. There's a lot to it. That's why it takes four episodes. There's a lot to it. It's funny it it takes four episodes.

Speaker 3: 1:57:52

There's a lot to it. It's funny. It's funny how this happened to us with Ted Lasso. When it got to the end, it just was thick. There's so much cumulative stuff to talk about, and that's what makes for a great show with the Wayne finale. I mean it is Chapter 10, entitled Buckle the F Up, as you might imagine, and it will be the all there is of Wayne. Coach Bishop will be with us next time. Any final thoughts, boss, before we bid adieu to to everyone.

Speaker 4: 1:58:35

I'm actually a little surprised that they called it buckle the F up instead of just buckle the fuck up. I don't know, Maybe that was. Maybe YouTube decided that was too much.

Speaker 3: 1:58:45

Yeah, it was a YouTube right. It was. It was the YouTube red years and so maybe it was the YouTube Red years and so maybe, I don't know, with Google searches and things, they just dock you so hard If you have especially the F word in the title of any blog posts or anything. So I'm sure that's. I'm guessing that's what it was. It's fucking stupid. Yeah, we come back with Wayne under arrest and it's exciting, it's exciting, it's exciting. All right, boss, where do people find you if they want to find?

Speaker 4: 1:59:16

you Still on threads, which is emilychambers.31. Also at Blue Sky, which is dumbly underscore chambers, and writing for the antagonist, or at least popping back into the Slack more often so I could get into the rhythm of writing again. But that is antagonistblogcom.

Speaker 3: 1:59:43

Thank you, boss. As I said, coach will be with us next time. I am going to talk to him again about doing a follow up to the rap battle. I would like to have a second rap battle conversation. Rap battle I wanted. I would like to have a second uh, rap battle conversation, mostly because I was very invested in the virtue versus vice directional sort of trajectory of rap.

Speaker 3: 2:00:03

Um, and on a personal level, where I felt like the genre lost me a little bit um and um and I wanted to talk to him about, conceptually, I find myself so detached so I'm able to listen to the songs and appreciate the quality of the music and even the quality of the lyricism that goes into the insults and things. Uh, whereas I have less connectivity or less understanding of the nature of the like coach would say oh, rap has always been about fighting or about one-upping people or about and I I so don't relate to that and I'd like to hear more about it. Um, you know, ever since I remember god the earliest possible rap and it was always like I. Uh. You know, ever since I remember God the earliest possible rap and it was always like I. Uh. You know our earliest hip hop I remember would be like you know, I'm the greatest and I'm better than everybody else and I'm like what, like what? And coach and I've talked about this so many times uh, from a cultural perspective, where, um, you can have a group of people who celebrate like a end zone, dance right, and they'd be like, oh, that's awesome, like yeah, shove it in their face or whatever right.

Speaker 3: 2:01:15

And then you have people like me who say the line act like you've been there before. I don't know if you've heard that. Have I said that to you before? Boss, just act like you've been there before. Yes, I like it when you score a game difference.

Speaker 3: 2:01:38

Such an interesting, you know, concept. That's how it plays out in sports, but how it plays out in hip-hop is also, um, it's just, I just want to know more about it because I think it's fascinating. And I think coach has a real line on something and is able to frame it in a way especially with some pop philosophy or at least layman level philosophy from me as a listener he's able to, as a student of philosophy, sort of encapsulate the concepts in a way that makes it much more understandable. So I'm going to try to convince him to do that concepts in a way that makes it much more understandable. So I'm going to try to convince him to do that, but we will be back for sure with Wayne. Episode 10, season one. Episode 10, buckle the fuck up, buckle the F up and please support your local libraries. In the written word raise better boys.

Speaker 4: 2:02:30

And until next time we are Richmond till we get killed by Officer Geller.

Speaker 3: 2:02:37

I mean, you just didn't see it coming, Never, Nick, when the dumbass Lucchetti twins were playing with his gun. You're like this guy's a what is he?

Speaker 4: 2:02:45

He's a wiring motherfucker.

Speaker 3: 2:02:48

It was just really good. Yeah, let's see if we can find it. We'll post the uh, the fight on the community site, but if we, if we're unable to find her or, for you know, takes a couple days, please go, please go look or, ideally, watch the show. It really is worth watching. All right, thanks everybody. We will, uh, we'll be back with coach and we will see you next time.