Wayne | S1 Ep10 Part1 "Buckle the F**k Up"

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Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:22

Welcome to our Ted Lasso talk, the Tedcast. Welcome all Greyhound fans, welcome all you sinners from the dog track and all the AFC Richmond fans around the world. It's the Lasso way around these parts with Coach, coach and Boss, without further ado, coach Castleton.

Speaker 2: 0:39

Okay, welcome back, beautiful people. Today we're discussing Wayne, episode 10, buckle the Fuck Up. I'm your host, coach Castleton. With me, as always, is Coach Bishop back from the wars.

Speaker 3: 0:51

Buckle the fuck up. Indeed, I am back in Los Angeles. I apologize, Boss and Coach were totally accurate in their description of how I notified them. I think it was about I don't know, 13 minutes before recording time. We'll get into all that at some point, but yeah, it was kind of crazy.

Speaker 2: 1:13

This is the right place for that, Coach.

Speaker 3: 1:17

You carried on valiantly. I'm still making my way through the episode, but you were hilarious. There were some holes, there was rimming All the best and natural parts of any podcast. So there you go. But yeah, that was episode 10. Yeah, yeah, we just watched that.

Speaker 4: 1:41

Well, coach, let's say hello to hello to our boss, emily chambers, and we're going to get right into it yeah, the plus side is that, um, I think we just even each other out, because sometimes you let us know a little bit before recording you're not going to be around and I try to make you guys put on your calendars that I'm going to be out a week in december and you're like no, bitch, listen, you wouldn't I call myself bitch. Bitch to me Like, listen, no, we can't. We can't make plans for October yet. I can't even figure out what the fuck I'm doing for 4th of July, can you?

Speaker 2: 2:16

can you give me a? Second yeah, no, boss you schedule when you're going to inform us of an absence. You schedule like okay, three weeks from now, I'll be informing them about eight weeks.

Speaker 4: 2:28

That is correct. I'm going to check in at the quarter mark, the mid-year review, and I will let you know what the second half of my calendar looks like.

Speaker 3: 2:38

That is admirable. It doesn't even come close to how I feel. It's almost if you told me like I can see through walls, that would be in the vicinity of my experience, what you just said. That would be like oh okay, but she can see through walls, that's great.

Speaker 4: 2:59

It's good for her, fantastic no good good very quickly, though one of my nieces did tell me that she had a bunch of powers, including the fact that I can see through walls and I could tell time, and I was like. Only one of those is impressive, I know that you're seven but still, only one of those is impressive.

Speaker 2: 3:16

That's great, I was going to say we just got off, we just watched the final episode together. Just got off, we just, um uh, watched the final episode together and um you know, coach he uh it's so much fun to watch him watch something because his reaction is so, so visceral.

Speaker 2: 3:35

Um, this one had a lot of uh, probably the most gag inducing episode of uh of the season, but certainly that's saying quite a bit yeah, there's. There's a lot of gagging in this episode. There are things that make you want to gag Coach thoughts on now that Wayne is done. I know you said I was very pleased to hear you say that you're going to miss these guys before we start the episode Tell me how you're feeling I am going to miss them.

Speaker 3: 4:09

As I mentioned them, the storytellers now I mean by them not knowing they didn't say, hey, we've got this 10-part miniseries. They were making the first season of a show. It led to some interesting choices and, as I'm sitting here processing it like we just watched it, uh, folks, um, I love it, like because it's it to me, it actually feels like the show felt, which was that I was getting a glimpse into a moment in, or the moments in, both their lives, but in the context of full lives. And I don't know if he'll ever get back to Dell. I don't know that. I don't know what happens to him with one broken wing in prison, being the kind of guy he is. I don't. I don't know what happens from here, but I know they'll always have each other, even if they never see each other again. And it was really nice to sort of think about that piece. So that was really cool.

Speaker 2: 5:18

Boss, what about you?

Speaker 4: 5:21

It's sort of a similar thinking. I agree with everything you said and I want to get into how and why that happens. Um, I also would prefer if more shows would go for one season and out, like if you know that you have one really great season. I feel like, um, the watchmen series on hbo. Um with, uh uh, regina king fucking amazing. If they had tried to make that two seasons, it would. On HBO with Regina King Fucking amazing. If they had tried to make that two seasons, it would have ruined it. I needed the one season and then I needed it out. So I would actually like if people would do this intentionally more often. We don't always need to see four or five years down the road.

Speaker 3: 6:02

I think I mean, I've heard that said too in my understanding. Oh, I've never lived there or whatever that you know. There are british shows that are more of that style, right of like. This is the story we're telling, um, and I suspect that the splintering will make room for that. I I think in our model here in the united states it's part of what ruins things, is sort of like it is a commodity as much as anything else, and not to say everywhere else is just art for art's sake. But I think in a, in a way of like, how else can we squeeze every last penny out of something and that will never? How do we squeeze every last penny is always going to run counter to Leave them Wantin' More.

Speaker 4: 6:47

Yes, absolutely. I'm not going to call out any specific show, but the Office did do this. So there I went and called out a specific show because the Office really did it a lot.

Speaker 3: 6:58

It went on for a bit. I'm not saying there weren't funny episodes, I'm not saying whatever, but yes, I feel like okay, well, yeah, we have rung this one dry.

Speaker 2: 7:09

Now I think I know the answer to this, but, Coach, I'll start with you. Do you now see why I wanted us to watch this show?

Speaker 3: 7:19

I do, I do, I mean it was super dark in its own way. I do, I mean it was super dark in its own way but, like in the you know thinking about contrasts, the darkness of it highlighted the beauty of it and in it, and I thought that, you know, while Believe made all the sense in context for Ted Lasso, you know that I believe that fourth thing is actually love, and so that really is. I mean, this was such a love story. It was such a love story with the gag-inducing moment and the first kiss in a morgue and the violence, like all of it and the awkwardness, all of it. But it was such a love story, really beautiful, and I felt like also they did a good job of.

Speaker 3: 8:17

There was some moment I was ahead of in terms of like that's what's going to happen, but I still appreciated them happening, like that whole speech dell and we'll get to it in the episode but that whole speech dell was doing in the car and revving up and I was like I know dell, I know, I know it's hard, I know dell and I was like he's gonna say it for her because that's what we're doing, and I just waited for like how's he gonna like what's gonna happen. Um. So yeah, there was, there were several moments like that that I just thought that's what we're doing and I just waited for, like how's he going to like what's going to happen. So, yeah, there was, there were several moments like that that I just thought like yeah, absolutely, because I felt like I was in sync with the show. I knew what had to happen, but even how it happened was its own brand of exciting.

Speaker 2: 9:01

Boss, do you know why I wanted us to watch this show now, like now? Having seen it, you does it make sense?

Speaker 4: 9:07

well, so, hilariously, right before we started recording, you talked about how you were so worried about the reveal that wayne had been protecting dell and what I think he was being stalkery and what would I be upset about. And I was like, oh no, no, I was fine. Like like you were worried for a long time, I think and not that you don't read me right, but sometimes you're like I can understand why you would think that I would be worried about that. And then also, when I was like, oh no, that's fine, I think you got that.

Speaker 4: 9:38

So, whether you mentioned it or not, what I actually think is that both Ted Lasso and Wayne the best parts of those shows boil down to having a code, and not necessarily that the codes are similar, but that the important part is to have them. That, at least, is what I like about it. Ted Lasso, the parts that I absolutely loved were the ones where it wasn't necessarily that Ted was being like I am the nicest, sweetest guy who's ever lived and I will lay down my life for you. It was him saying this is how this team works and this is how we get everybody to be on a team together, and this is the method by which we create this thing. That will make things better, and I think that Wayne himself has a code, but there are a bunch of people in the episode and in the show who have codes that work for better or worse, and we get to examine all of those.

Speaker 3: 10:39

I love that conversation led to and I and I'm with you that, um, we can't, we won't, we can't and won't all have the same code, but I do think it's important.

Speaker 3: 10:54

you know, omar said it right a man gotta have a code and I think we appreciate the characters who, like you, say, for better or worse, or if we would make the same decisions, or if we, you know, in real life, would flee their presence. There is something about somebody really being true to their shit I'm gonna bring up. Oh, actually it does connect to this, maybe that's why I thought of it, but I mentioned that. Um, that backdrop looked looked like the image from Scarface in their house and Tony Montana at the top of the stairs saying I'll take your fucking bullets. Like I can still, like, even right now, saying it, even knowing every negative, horrible thing that represents. I just got a little charge right then saying it because I was like he was true to his shit, like he wasn't at the end, like oh, my god, get me to a hospital.

Speaker 4: 11:52

He was like I take your fucking bullets, like let's do it, and, um, yeah, and because I'm, uh, such a badass my equivalent of that is a tiktok that two college students posted early in the pandemic about how they would snitch. I will rat you out, I will rat tattooing this motherfucker Talking about how they would. If I find out people on this campus are having parties and they get the school shut down because they can't follow the fucking rules, I will snitch. I will snitch. And he says in there uh, snitches, get stitches. I will take them bitches. And I say that to myself a lot like. There are a lot of times where I'm like, oh yes, I am. I am quoting that tiktok about kids getting their school shut down during covid. But I'll, I'll, I'll take those bitches if I need to, I'll fucking take. I understand the ramifications of my actions. I'll, I'll stand in that.

Speaker 3: 12:47

It's fucking fine yeah, yeah, interestingly, I, I, you know, I wonder if that's part of what works in this combination the three of us, like we don't see everything the same way, but we see things how we see things, and I think it's clear that we live by how we see things, like it's not just theoretical, like that's how we're living and if we change or we learn something or we adjust or we're impacting each other, then fine, and then we may adjust our code.

Speaker 3: 13:19

but I think we each have our way. Whether it's health economy, whether it's being responsible for your actions, right, whatever we each have our way. Whether it's health economy, whether it's being responsible for your actions, whatever we each have going on, we really believe that shit and we're going to do our best to live that way. I think there's just a respect I just have for that.

Speaker 4: 13:39

You're away for one week and you come back with all these sweet nothings.

Speaker 3: 13:43

I didn't miss them, you're welcome.

Speaker 2: 13:47

I wasn't thinking about it. It's really quiet around here. Alright, so well. Thank you guys. Thanks for getting through this with me.

Speaker 2: 13:56

It is one of my favorite shows. There are a number of series like this that are one or, in some cases, two seasons and generally all you need, even if they keep going. Um, but, um, yeah, I'm glad, I'm glad we're here. Um, okay, today I want to let everybody know this is going to be a ridiculously short episode. It's just, um, it's a quickie. It's just a quickie. We just it's just because, uh, I have, uh, I I have some fatherly commitments and my daughter's doing a performance end of the year, performance that I would never, million years, miss. But I also didn't want to miss the recording.

Speaker 2: 14:35

I know, speaking of living by a code, yeah, no, no, I love it. I love both of these things. Things. My daughter's not a thing, but I love being a dad and doing the thing. But also, I know how it feels when you like a podcast and you get on a schedule and you go and you're like, okay, this is what I do and I'll jump on the treadmill or I'll go do some dishes or fold laundry and I'll throw on three of the strangest, most troubled people and compare my life to theirs and feel a lot better about myself. I know how it feels when that happens and I didn't want to give you nothing for the next episode. So this isn't even. I don't even think we're going to get to an hour today. But yeah, we're not. Boss says no, she can do math, are you? You're an accountant, right, boss? Is that a accountants are terrible at math that is true.

Speaker 4: 15:28

Yeah, accounts are terrible at math, but much like my magical seven-year-old niece, I can tell time that is magic.

Speaker 2: 15:36

Yay, this generation, uh, the younger kids, alpha. Your niece is probably alpha, I'm guessing. How old is she? I think seven, anything under 10. Yeah, gen Alpha, it's like a different. So they don't. Depending on where they grow up and depending on where school they go to, they can have a difficult time with clocks, like clocks, and they can. And cursive, that's a thing, cursive is a thing, where it's all but in you know, and maybe it's fine Ultimately.

Speaker 3: 16:09

I think sometimes we overblow some of these things. Maybe I don't know. I feel like people, I feel like we should continue to teach these things for a number of reasons, but at any rate, but I will say that somewhere in the universe, arnetha V Bishop, also known as mom, is going. I told you.

Speaker 2: 16:29

Oh, is that right? I told you cursive wasn't important.

Speaker 3: 16:33

No, no, no, the opposite. These digital clocks. No one's going to be able to read a clock. Oh, I told you that, while not having kids write and the idea that penmanship is some irrelevant thing that we should work on was gonna mean people weren't gonna know how to like write in cursive and so, and maybe it doesn't matter that we don't know how to write in cursive, I, that's a, that's a step, but it's interesting that I kind of like I remember sort of feeling like, oh, you know, eye roll, but yeah, I saw a clock the other day, by the way, that was every hour represented as a square root, and I was like I would think 3% of this country can read that clock.

Speaker 3: 17:14

It was like you know what I mean, like a square root of 1, square root of 4, square root of 9, square root of the geek in me was like I'm not hanging out in my office just to be funny, but like yeah, like I'm thinking I can't imagine 10% of this country is like yeah, got it At this point 1.414 was 2, 1.732 3. Oh no, it was the other way.

Speaker 2: 17:42

So like at, 3 was square root of nine oh, I see my dad used to make me learn certain numbers by wrote, and he'd be like you gotta know that oh wow, yeah, he'd be like and, uh, but he would also say that about, like the durometer of nitrile.

Speaker 2: 18:04

You just gotta know it. Got to know the hardness, the hardness of different materials. Oh, do I? Yeah, that's done fucking wonders for me. Thanks, dad. But yeah, no, this is just the lens. The lens he was looking for. But, yes, I was at a friend's house and the daughter, his daughter, was 13. And she was asking about he's like oh, he's got to sign that. So he's like what do you mean sign it? He's like sign your name. And she's like just write my name in the line. He's like yeah, just write your name. But you know why can't anybody else write my name? He my name. He's like you know, like you write a check. She's like what's a check? He's like okay, so you write your name in the signature line. She's like so the signature line is just me writing my name. I just write my name. I think, yeah, but you do it in cursive. She's like what's cursive?

Speaker 2: 18:55

it was like this, ridiculous I don't know, she's like I can just put my name on a paper and that counts as money.

Speaker 2: 19:01

She's like why don't I just write my name on every paper and then it's all money? It was so foreign. She's like what world did you guys? Anyway, way in episode 10, buckle the fuck up. We open the way, you know. There's, there's the last couple. Uh well, they always open with a little, a little. You know, uh, cold open. That is trying to kind of get a point. And, coach, go ahead. What were you gonna say?

Speaker 3: 19:34

No, I was going to say cause I? I mentioned I don't know if it was before or after we hit record that I somehow I clocked that this was a dream and I was trying to decide how to. I knew it immediately the hammer. Oh, I just realized. That's why.

Speaker 4: 19:51

Oh, he had the hammer. Great call. Very, very good call, Because I was like how did I know so fast?

Speaker 3: 19:56

But just when you just played it, I went oh right, I clocked the hammer and I went. He can't have the hammer, so something's going on you coach?

Speaker 2: 20:04

oh my god, do you you break down shows for a living? Is that like one of the things right yeah, exactly like noticing all the little things.

Speaker 2: 20:12

Well, it's a great detail, um, it's. It's funny because it's like a. The shot is a, like an homage to like the big lebowski had. The coen brothers love these scenes from behind the bar, especially in front of a bowling alley. Ballot of. Buster Scruggs may have had something like what's the one? There's a few, there's a few Coen brothers films that did this this sort of vantage point on the bar of a, specifically of a bowling alley. Wayne sits down, we hear the pins clattering and then we hear what in the background? Coach.

Speaker 3: 20:48

We hear the scene of a family, this little kid who's getting yelled at. What'd I tell you? You're spilling all over, unbelievable. Just you know that dad, mom tries to protect and dad goes in on her too. Then he's soft enough because of you. Yeah, he's just that, dad, and in context I was like you about to catch this hammer. I just immediately was like, okay, well, this is not going to end well for you, sir, but anyhow.

Speaker 2: 21:21

Pardon me, my good man, I like your face as is Just curious. And also if you can spy the gentleman sitting over at the bar free chocolate milk. I just want to warn you that you might not want to get into his line of sight.

Speaker 3: 21:42

But one thing I want to toss in because I think one of the pieces I'm obsessed with a number of things from time to time, as folks may have noticed, and I'm really on back on this idea of the new manhood for a number of reasons, some of which I'll share later, and I I thought one of the things in in this episode generally but here was that the old manhood is made Like fast forward 25 years and that kid's going to be ranting at some other little boy who's just drinking his juice and being a little kid and then he'll become another guy like that and that we have to make decisions.

Speaker 3: 22:24

Yeah, you got to make decisions as to how you're going to be and how you're going to engage, to not end up with the same final product. I mean it's insanity doing the same thing over and over right. That struck me in this scene for sure is, like what are you doing? You could just see for me, you could just see that dad, having been that boy, he doesn't even know how to communicate. Like who's, why is he talking to his wife like that? Like not even. Oh, it's disrespectful, but like what are you talking about?

Speaker 3: 22:55

yeah you think it's a good idea to call your son stupid on a regular basis, like come on, man, you know. But but what if they are well?

Speaker 4: 23:02

right then it's okay, right, tough enough. I mean that that is more your fault. I mean, who are their?

Speaker 3: 23:08

parents. Then there's that.

Speaker 4: 23:09

Who are raising these kids? Nature?

Speaker 3: 23:11

and nurture being on you.

Speaker 4: 23:13

I don't know, how.

Speaker 2: 23:15

That's not a good joke. I prefer to shift the blame, though, or are we going to say monster?

Speaker 4: 23:20

No, what I was actually going to say is I'm pretty sure the entire episode today is going to be only about this opening scene and what happens immediately after this and how the idea of civilization plays into that.

Speaker 2: 23:34

Yeah, that's all. That's all we're gonna have time for.

Speaker 4: 23:36

That's all we're gonna have time for, but also we could spend three hours talking about that. I think, um, yeah, so only because I want to make this point, I'm gonna going to move us ahead. Uh, what happens after this? Wayne hears everything that's going on, but, father being an asshole, he's looking straight ahead. Uh, like he knows what's going on, but he's not looking at it. And next to him, conan the barbarian comes in and lays his bloody sword down on the counter. I'm sorry, what?

Speaker 2: 24:02

did you say? I'm sorry, I'm not sure I heard that correct, conan, because this is wayne, this is wayne. Yeah, this is not a sword and board like a pre-iron age, uh, like marauding blood fest. Right, this is what I should clarify.

Speaker 4: 24:19

I under sorry, sorry, I said that wrong. I should clarify why this might be confusing. Um, it isn't arnold schwarzenegger. I don't mean that conan came in. I, I just mean a guy that's supposed to be like him. Is that what?

Speaker 2: 24:32

you were confused about no, no, I just was like it's so weird. It's so weird to have conan walk into a bowling alley, but it is. It's supposed to be conan and yes and also I.

Speaker 4: 24:40

I love that. Uh, conan o'brien has forced us to start saying conan the barbarian, otherwise it's just conan the guy from late night. Like, somehow, somehow the barbarian and o'brien are in the same category. That's fine. Um. So conan the barbarian sits down, looks straight ahead, uh, and as he's sitting there, they both order drinks. Wayne gets a hot chocolate. Hot chocolate, please.

Speaker 3: 25:10

I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I don't mean to be disruptive here, but can we talk about this bartender server, because that was more than a little bit weird.

Speaker 2: 25:23

No, it's such an homage to the coen brothers. It's such a, it's such a, it's just how they do it. It's. It's such a love affair that filmmakers have with great other filmmakers. You just want to, even even if you can listen, it's a. You think this is easy to pull this homage up, but it's, it's, it's nuts. It's so difficult and it's like thrilling to even be in the same realm as quality filmmakers like that. But yeah, that's. This guy comes up even the the mannerisms of having wayne look forward. You know, hot chocolate, please, without any emotion. The guy has a notepad. He's got a like a super weird 70s mop cut, kind of do right he's in a screams wig that is a wig screams

Speaker 2: 26:14

no no, absolutely a fantastic wig, um and um, and he, like, looks at wayne and scribbles something in his notebook with a notepad, without even down. It's super stylized intentionally. And then they play against type or they or well, not necessarily they have. Now Conan will now order, and you know what's. If you're Conan, what are you? What are you going to order? Like realistic, a bucket of mead, the blood of my enemies what's he?

Speaker 1: 26:47

gonna order here boss coffee.

Speaker 2: 26:53

Everyone wants coffee, just a little bit of cream coffee and then they do an insert where he's doing like a little pinch mark next to his face like coffee beat, beat, pinch mark insert and a little bit of cream which is fascinating because you're a barbarian yeah, no so like where did, where'd you pick all this up?

Speaker 3: 27:14

but it's like, but it worked, it was like it was. I found it unsettling because I was like now we're in wayne's head yeah, so I. So I was like what?

Speaker 4: 27:25

Because Wayne wouldn't know that early humans were probably lactose intolerant. There's no way he'd be asking for a little bit of cream.

Speaker 2: 27:33

It's going to fuck his whole day, Right? Well? He probably can't imagine anyone he admires drinking black coffee because it's the worst piss he's ever tasted in his life.

Speaker 4: 27:41

He admires Del. Does she drink her coffee black? We'll need to go back and double check. He does admire her, she does.

Speaker 2: 27:50

Does she? It kind of makes sense, actually character-wise, because then she gives him a sip and fits it out on him. It's gross, super gross, he's right. So we get a two-shot. They're both hands in loose fists, knuckles on the laid flat on the table. There's a very generic bowl of pretzels in each one of them. It is symmetrical in that we are shooting right down the middle of the line. There's an actual line right down the middle of the frame.

Speaker 3: 28:28

Right to the vanishing point. I don't want to get too geeky. It's right. When you visually look into a picture, that third dimension that we create for those who aren't familiar, that line takes you right out into infinity.

Speaker 2: 28:43

It's got a Wes Anderson symmetry to it as well, which is you know you got that. It's it's. He loves balance shots a little bit that. Um and boss keep going here.

Speaker 4: 28:56

Uh. So he says to conan my dad's dead and conan doesn't says it out in front of him, right just not, doesn't turn to him.

Speaker 1: 29:05

They both are in front of him right, just out, just yeah, doesn't turn to him, they both are looking at camera, yeah, or looking sort of past camera right.

Speaker 4: 29:10

Yeah, this isn't a conversation. They're both just saying things sort of he says my dad's dead, my mom doesn't want me, I've got no home, and now Del is gone. So like just shit after shit, after shit after shit, I'm alone, and then they come back with the drinks Another weird shot, another weird shot, another great shot, looking right down.

Speaker 2: 29:36

Yeah, so you see the marshmallows in Wayne's hot chocolate.

Speaker 4: 29:42

That's so good. So then, what Conan says is you thirst for civilization, boy. But civilization is unnatural, a whim of circumstance. We are barbarians and barbarians. Barbarianism must always triumph. Live deep while you live, know the rich juice of red meat and the stinging line on your palate and the hot embrace of many women's arms. We will live, we will burn with life and we will slay. Your quest for civilization is a quest for illusion. Reject it right. Which a quest for illusion. Reject it Right, which. I don't want to borrow too much from Coach's whole thing. But there's a little bit of vice versus virtue to this, where you like he's dancing, I'm dancing.

Speaker 4: 30:45

What Conan is saying is like eat, drink, fuck, do whatever you want to, don't worry about it. Um, and then, as he's getting done saying this, the father in the background is saying are you going to try to keep it in your lane there, genius? I mean for the love of god, what stupid. The wife says don't call him stupid, he's just a kid. Hey, and there's fighting. The mom is trying to defend him. At this point, both Wayne and Conan look over at this, at what is behind them.

Speaker 2: 31:15

Very slowly, like a slow in unison head turn. We're looking at them still from behind the bar with their lanes behind them, but the family is out of frame, probably shot on or whatever, I wouldn't say shot on different day. But they didn't feel the need to mess up the shot, the framing of the shop with. With the messiness of the family, they both do that slow turn and now they're aware of this gentleman and and he he gone.

Speaker 4: 31:44

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 31:46

Yeah.

Speaker 4: 31:46

What the hell did I say? The dad says you know what we're leaving. I'm done with you two and your endless fuck-ups. Get your shit, quit crying, get your shit. He's just yelling. At this point, wayne finally looks over at Conan and like I don't want to just say it's on, but come on, it's on, the dad is yelling, he's yelling.

Speaker 2: 32:07

I'm the bad guy.

Speaker 4: 32:08

I'm the fucking bad guy. I'm the fucking bad guy, yep. At which point Wayne literally drops his hammer. It comes in Flying, flying over the top, over the top of his head, smashes the dad in his face with his hammer.

Speaker 2: 32:24

Followed up by Conan, following Wayne. Wayne smashes the dad in his face with his tamer. Followed up by Conan, following Wayne. Wayne smashes the guy in the face. Conan does a and listen, for all the gentle souls that I've lured into, wayne from Ted Lasso, my apologies, because it's a lot. It's a lot. Even Coach, who I have seen puff up like a blowfish when he's angry, was still wincing and hiding his face and, like God damn, conan cuts the guy with his sword. He basically does an upper hand, overhand bottom, like he sweeps the sword low and comes up high, goes across the guy's chest. Um, wayne comes in, kicks the guy down.

Speaker 2: 33:11

Now this is uh, this is another, this is fun, it's this, listen, uh, violence is not fun. Violence is not good. We don't want to become desensitized. When it's stylized like this, there's a point it is intentionally trying to not desensitize to it. Um and uh, there's there's a great um camera move where the guy is crawling sideways through frame and he's being stopped. You know he's like, oh, try, just trying to get away. He's crawling down towards where you roll the balls. Um, conan takes off his fur. Uh, ensemble, I don't know what the hell that is for a cloak. You know, give him more, more swinging room.

Speaker 2: 33:50

The guy is leaving a trail of blood on the uh, on the floor, on the on the lane of of bowling alley, like you do when you've been cut. Stem to stern. Um, fairness, yeah, I mean, keeping it clean is not his priority right now, but he is crawling in a dead panic. Yeah and um. And you know he's got those bowling shoes on and they're meant to slide. And you know he's got those bowling shoes on and they're meant to slide. So you know it's a really double quandary for this fella. And now he is being stalked. We go to slow motion shots, beauty shots of Wayne and Conan, and then we get this insert here that's a two shot and coach laughed out loud and boss had this huge smile on her face. And what is it? What is it? What's happening here, coach?

Speaker 3: 34:41

mom and son are. It's kind of like they're at the movies. I mean, it's not kinda. She literally has popcorn, so there's that. And then the kid has his soda and they're both just looking watching dad slash, husband be murdered with, just you know, detached. I don't even know if that's bemusement, I don't know what that look is, but it it's certainly a whole lot of not giving a fuck.

Speaker 2: 35:06

Um, they're not getting up, they are unimpressed with.

Speaker 4: 35:09

They are unimpressed with the violence. Not unimpressed, but the violence is doing nothing. They might as well be watching the Matrix or the Fast and the Furious.

Speaker 2: 35:19

This is not violence, that is impacting them If they deign to move off of their seats, which they won't. They would be there to assist, not to stop, not to prevent.

Speaker 3: 35:30

Well, yeah, I mean, they don't seem the least bit concerned, like not even in a vague, that's a fellow human being kind of way. I think it's funny because at the bar, or whatever you want to call it, the counter, I thought that conan is is the id, right? That was what that was like me. I was like that is Wayne's id, that is him sort of like, that's the base part of himself. It's like I need no one, I can, you know, just go through life and do all the things that were said there, all that vice, whatever, doesn't matter. And I thought it was interesting. Then it kind of I found myself going well, what does it represent here? Because he and Wayne are so aligned and there's no reason for Conan. None of the things Conan said they could go do is served by straightening out this guy. What does a barbarian care if this guy is mean to his wife and fake-ass civilization anyway? So it seems like even the barbarian doesn't buy it.

Speaker 3: 36:35

Yeah, why would he be? But the barbarian here is and I think it's it's Wayne in context, it's Wayne wanting to believe that because it feels like that will protect him. But ultimately, knowing it's not about being a barbarian, it's about being a warrior, and I think I said that when we're watching. I know I thought it and I think there's a difference and I've shared my own sort of journey around identifying myself as a warrior and I think, yeah, he's like um, I got this sword and, uh, I don't really like what you're fucking doing. So, guess what? And I think it, I think it matters throughout the episode.

Speaker 4: 37:21

Yeah, I love that you said so-called civilization, because I don't think that Conan is right when he says civilization is an illusion, but I do think entirely too many people confuse society with civilization.

Speaker 4: 37:37

Come on and specifically when we're talking about like societal norms and high society and how you're supposed to behave. And there are so many people in the country that will say, well, that dad has a wife and kid, he has a family, he has a job, he's taking care of them. He is doing exactly what he's supposed to be doing, so you can't criticize him for taking care of his family. He's a nice guy, he's a breadwinner, he's a taxpayer. He might even go to church on Sunday. Obviously, we in polite society should not call him on the fact that he is abusing and berating his child and wife in public. That would be rude. If we stepped into their family stuff, we would be the assholes.

Speaker 4: 38:19

And so I think what Wayne is getting at very specifically and what Conan is helping him get to is having rules in place in order to keep everybody politely comfortable isn't as important as making sure that justice is being served.

Speaker 3: 38:38

I'm sure I've shared this, but I just think you just drilled that including. That's why I had to give you a little bit of Black church there. That was really good stuff. But yes, yes to everything you just said and I love the distinction of society and civilization and I'm telling you this idea of people who are willing to trade your justice for their peace. I am telling you that is a thing and we have to call it out every fucking place we see it because it is. It is what you just described, and society, for me, has a fuckload of problems and they get. They get some perfume or whatever you want to call it on from what you're saying, of dressing it up and putting it in the right clothes and putting the right language around it and ultimately, you're being the barbarian.

Speaker 4: 39:37

Yes, yep, yep, and-.

Speaker 3: 39:40

If you're going to make kids have a bake sale so that their fellow students don't go without fucking lunch. Yes, you're the barbarian. Yes, you're the barbarian.

Speaker 2: 39:50

If those are your policies, yep, not Wade and not Conan. What the fuck.

Speaker 4: 39:53

absolutely, god, god boss I was only gonna say I think we were gonna see an aspect of that whole idea of trading an individual's piece for other people's justice. We're gonna get a real good example of that later in the episode, and so I'm gonna want to come back to that, but this is not the episode for that I, I'm shaking my head.

Speaker 2: 40:14

Boss will sometimes see me shake my head when she says something like a shake. No, um, and I wasn't saying I wasn't disagreeing. I was just realizing how happy these two, this heckle and jekyll team, coach and boss, were happy to be back together. And this, this was going to be a motherfucker of an episode today if we didn't have to stop you got.

Speaker 2: 40:34

They are really vibing and they're both super smart. They have amazing perspective, uh, whereas I bring in counterpoints like if the kid had just not rolled gutter balls, we wouldn't be here, right, you know so I'm not, I'm not bringing I'm bringing nothing to the table as the resident white man, um and um.

Speaker 4: 40:55

I just uh, he didn't pay for that kid to lose. Yeah right, exactly, it's hard earned money exactly rolling all these gutter balls.

Speaker 2: 41:02

Um, no, it is, um, it is. Uh. I I feel pain because I know when we're gonna get a hot episode, not like they're all. Uh, you know, listen folks, you do. You do it every time and they can't all be triples. But I know there will be a couple home runs today, so you'll have to delay your gratification and wait until next time. Let's finish this up here. The guy looks up at them. We get a shot from his POV. It's pretty spooky with Wayne and Conan looking over him. They have that look especially Conan, in this shot where you're not going to talk your way out of this fella that kind of look.

Speaker 3: 41:43

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a great description. That's exactly right. Don't even bother, man, we're past that part.

Speaker 2: 41:49

You hear that, Mr Anderson. That's the sound of inevitability.

Speaker 3: 41:53

That's right. I just watched that. Recently Did I tell you that?

Speaker 2: 41:57

I will talk all day about that. We're going to mix a couple movies into our breakdowns For the Buttercups out there and for our friends and our listeners. If you have suggestions, either jump in the community site and throw them up there or hit us up on social media. Okay, so they look down at him. He's like he is tensing up and boss. What is Conan? Conan looks over at Wayne. What does he say?

Speaker 4: 42:27

Thanks for not being a big pussy about this, which I still laughed. You've heard me talk about not using pussy in that way. I still did left.

Speaker 3: 42:37

Somehow, because it was in the context of this dream. Yes, and it was also hyper, I don't know Cause I've definitely trained myself that like notice that kind of stuff every time and don't let it pass. But I was with you. I thought like it was a really perfect line.

Speaker 2: 42:54

They take one big swing and we don't see. We are looking from the. I say victim that guy's. He wasn't really a victim you know it's like the guy that brought the shit on himself. That guy's he wasn't really a victim. You know it's like the guy that brought this shit on himself. One of the things that uh boss and I always bond over is like oh no, look, it's the. It's the consequences of my own actions.

Speaker 2: 43:18

Like people being stunned right stunned that the shit they pull other people comes back on them like wait, what, how is that a thing like it's only about me shitting on everybody, like I can't be positive.

Speaker 2: 43:29

So, uh, this guy had it coming and, um, we get like what happens on set is you have the camera low and everybody tries to hold back their laughter. The actors, they go, you know, because it's like you go, all right, look like a badass, we're about to roll. And well, once upon a time you would check and check your speed and all that stuff and camera now it's all digital and then you would start to roll and then somebody with a super soaker full of tomato juice shoots all this splash of blood up into the frame as the guys collectively drop the hammer. And then we go to the splash screen and that is our cold open, a discussion of civilization splash screen and that is our cold open, um, a discussion of civilization. I, I would offer, uh, in an effort to uh to be relevant in any way, I would offer that the voice of conan in in wayne's head is testosterone.

Speaker 3: 44:23

is what testosterone sounds like in the head of a that is very interesting and I would love to discuss it more. Thank you, I say that, but that is a fascinating take. Yeah, wow.

Speaker 2: 44:37

Yeah, thank you. Got one in under the wire, man, I still deserve to be on the show. All right, I have to be a dad now I'm gonna go be a dad, and so we're gonna leave you, uh, leave you there three quarters of an hour and and I want you to not not hear this as a um, as a failure or a capitulation, but as a love letter to all of you out there who, uh, who I know um, wait, wait for the podcast and uh, we wanted to get you. Uh, coach, uh, where do people find you if they want to find you?

Speaker 3: 45:19

I want people to be on the lookout. There's going to be information on it. Come, join, we align. We're going to be doing some new things. I am so fired up, um, but all this stuff about the new manhood, we're gonna have some conversations going on around what women are doing and, being the opposite of harrison butker, I've got a whole reshaping of this space that I'm working on that I am so fired up about.

Speaker 2: 45:46

So come through thinking about doing a uh, a very special episode on the whole Harrison Butker thing. I think there's a lot going back there, a little chat about that and Bill Maher finding nothing wrong with him. What a shocker. Bill Maher's a troll. That's amazing, boss, where do people find you if they want to find you?

Speaker 4: 46:08

You can find me being extremely childish and making fun of the fact that his name is butker Cause. I definitely thought that was a title the first few times I was like, oh butler, that makes sense. No, but current, that's fine. You can find me doing that on threads which is, uh, emilychambers.31, and also on the community site, which I am desperately trying to get back into my routine, along with writing at the antagonist, which antagonistblogcom okay, great, um, thank you everybody.

Speaker 2: 46:36

Um, like I said, we will be, I can tell. Oh man, I cannot wait to get back to this recording studio because coach and boss are gonna. They're just salivating to, to, to cook some fools. Uh, in this episode. This is a good one. For those of you who are following along and not watching Wayne, maybe think about it. It's a goodie, thanks, thank you. Thank you for spending almost an hour with us today. We will be back next time with Wayne, episode 10, part two of Buckle the Fuck Up. And you know there's always a to every cloud there's a silver lining. I want you to all think. Think of our dear sweet editor, luke Mori, who will look at the runtime of this text me to see if everyone was okay and then realize he has one quarter of the work that he usually does.

Speaker 2: 47:40

And he'll be like Homer cheering with his arms over his head that he's going to get out this easy. So, yes, if nothing else, it's a banner day for Luke and we'll pick it up next time. Please support your local libraries and the written word. Raise better boys, everybody, raise them good, raise them upright. Yes, please, and until next time we are-.

Speaker 3: 48:04

Richmond, richmond Till we die. Destroy your ass on a bowling lane, because why are you talking to your kid and your wife like that?

Speaker 1: 48:14

god damn, it's good to have you back, coach it is good to have you back.

Speaker 2: 48:19

Alright, everybody, we'll see you next time, thank you.