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WAYNE ON YOUTUBE
The Tedcast is a deep dive podcast exploring the masterpieces that are Ted Lasso on Apple TV+ and Wayne on YouTube.
Sponsored by Pajiba and The Antagonist, join Boss Emily Chambers and Coaches Bishop and Castleton as they ruminate on all things AFC Richmond.
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Producer: Thor Benander
Producer: Dustin Rowles
Producer: Dan Hamamura
Producer: Seth Freilich
Editor: Luke Morey
Opening Theme: Andrew Chanley
Opening Intro: Timothy Durant
MORE FROM COACH BISHOP:
Studioworks: Coach Bishop
Unstuck AF: Coach Bishop's own podcast
Align Performance: Coach Bishop's company
MORE FROM THE ANTAGONIST:
Mind Muscle with Simon de Veer - Join professional "trainer to the stars" Simon de Veer as he takes you through the history, science and philosophy of all the fads and trends of modern health and fitness.
Welcome to our Ted Lasso talk, the Tedcast. Welcome all Greyhound fans, welcome all you sinners from the dog track and all the AFC Richmond fans around the world. It's the Lasso way around these parts with Coach, coach and Boss, without further ado, coach Castleton.
Speaker 2:Okay, welcome back, beautiful people. Today we are discussing Wayne, episode 10, buckle the Fuck Up. This is Part 5 of coverage. That should have been two parts, which is our speciality. I am your host, coach Castleton. With me, as always, is Coach Bishop.
Speaker 3:I did not consume my sibling, just so we all are clear.
Speaker 2:I was having a question about the wild. Yeah, I know We've been disabused of the notion that hyenas do it either. That's right by Boss's Googling skills and the prowess of On behalf of the hyena lobby it's true, big hyena.
Speaker 4:Wait, no, we've covered two shows on this podcast. We've done ted, lasso and wayne, and I have defended hyenas both times is that right? In the in ted lasso um was it, the lion king?
Speaker 4:no, no, no, it was when ted said something to uh, trent cram about how, oh, you're just gonna watch like one of those baby monkeys get eaten by a hyena when they needed something about the other teams how a play would work. Yes, yeah, exactly yes. And I was like, oh, so hyenas should just starve to death, that's fine. Hyenas are gross looking, so obviously it's fine if they starve.
Speaker 2:You know what? In person they're cuter than you think.
Speaker 4:I don't have any problems with hyenas, uh in person.
Speaker 2:They're cuter than you think. I don't have any problems with hyenas. Uh-uh, it's a god. Yeah, no, no, they really. I mean like you really get things that animals are not what they seem. No, in like, like, uh, you know, you know who's an asshole fucking otters.
Speaker 4:Otters are assholes no yeah see that.
Speaker 2:That would see that that is congruent with the point I was just about to make. Yeah, no, explain, explain, wait. Yeah, the, the, the mellifluous voice that. See, that is congruent with the point I was just about to make. Yeah, no, explain, wait. The mellifluous voice that everyone's hearing is that of our boss, emily Chambers.
Speaker 4:That is true. I should have waited until you introduced me, but I was so ready to defend hyenas I can't remember exactly all the shit I've heard. I am pretty sure they do kill for sport, at least some things. Like they don't always eat everything they kill. There might be some like assaultive behavior Like they'll. I don't want to get too rough too early in the morning.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but.
Speaker 4:I'm pretty sure that they're not very nice to each other or other animals. I will also say as much as I love orcas and the fact that they are taking down yachts with lightning speed. Um, they also kill for sport, like sometimes they say, oh, it's training. They're training their younger kids how to like kill seals. But they will just like, they'll keep a seal around and just beat the shit out of it over like an hour so that everybody knows oh, this is how you swing your tail in order to slap that seal straight out of the fucking water. We're not going to eat you yet, we're just going to bat you around an ocean for an hour because we can't.
Speaker 2:Well, listen.
Speaker 4:I'm not even trying to judge, I am stunned by all this.
Speaker 3:I'm kind of fascinated, and I promise you I don't know that coach wants to do this to the buttercups, but I could probably sit here and get these little nuggets for the next two hours, no issue whatsoever.
Speaker 2:So far this. This does have a scrolling through the to through animal tick tock vibe to it, so for sure it does but listen coach coach and I both went to private school, so we're not phased by killing for sport. That's, that's how you that's how you that's how you went from fourth form to fifth form I hate you.
Speaker 3:I was gonna go there, god damn it.
Speaker 2:We've been hanging out too long nice job, nice job.
Speaker 3:And fourth, fourth form. The fifth form is some seriously hoity-toity, fucking school talk. For those of you who didn't grow up around assholes that is, forms. Form one is seventh grade and you go up to form six, which is twelfth grade. So we were always, when people asked us what grade we were in outside of school, I was always already doing my first bit of code, switching by not saying that I was a third former, but by saying freshman how's that?
Speaker 2:uh, how's that code switching treat treated you so far, coach, oh, is that for your, for your psyche?
Speaker 3:oh, it's fantastic. Yeah, no, I'm hoping I get to divide myself into more ways. That'd be awesome. What was?
Speaker 2:the what was the band? I always laugh because that poly prep you're like oh, I actually know more about. Oh you too, matthews, oh you too. Ok, yeah, you too.
Speaker 3:Joshua Tree, joshua Tree.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean listen. That's a good if you're going to have to do Right yeah. You know, White Boy album. That's a. That's a pretty pretty damn good.
Speaker 4:OK, wait, but because you mentioned Dave Matthews, you erroneously, erroneously said Dave Matthews, you erroneously said Dave Matthews Band. They are a band listened to by a lot of white people but, as Amber Ruffin pointed out in one of her brilliant Amber Says what sketches to a group of January 6th insurrectionists who were pissed off because they were being prosecuted by law authorities. Go fucking figure. She said why are you mad? Are you mad because you all got the same haircut and it still only cost $6? Why are you mad? Are you mad because we can see ourselves in your shiny Oakleys? Why are you mad? Did you just find out that three members of the Dave Matthews band are black and you thought they belonged to you? Why are you mad? Fucking incredible. I should post it.
Speaker 2:She's so good and I'm like you're right, though Please post it, you're absolutely right.
Speaker 4:Not to even mention that Dave Matthews, himself, born in South Africa, technically an African American.
Speaker 3:No shit, swear to God. I did not know that 100% Are South African whites considered African Americans, that is technically, there's a whole conversation I've been witness to. Isn't it like Charlize Theron?
Speaker 4:Yes, it's what Tracy Morgan said to Charlize Theron when she hosted SNL. He was like hey. So listen, you're from South Africa, you have an American citizenship, you are technically an African-American. She was like shit. Well, she didn't say shit, but yeah, good stuff. I feel like they're just african-american.
Speaker 3:She was like shit. I wasn't shit because still, but yeah, good stuff, dave matthews, not touching it might be a white audience, but it is not a white band professor, boss, I'm in today I've learned about otters hyenas, fucking dave, I'm like jesus christ. It's like general studies big hyena fucking Dave. I'm like Jesus Christ man. This is like General.
Speaker 2:Studies 101. If you think Big Hyena is going to steer me away from that 12-month Cutie Pie Otter calendar, you are sorely mistaken, you know if Big. Hyena had an agent on our podcast, it would not be, you know, one of the producers or Lou. It would be Bob oh absolutely, it would 100%.
Speaker 4:And I would point out that in the lion king, like scar, undisputably this the villain absolutely. I'm not going to say he's a good guy, but the only thing he was promising to the hyenas was I'll make sure you don't starve to death. So like, maybe scar is an asshole, but the hyena's in that uh, whoopi goldberg, she deserves better I, I could go.
Speaker 2:I could go and talk about the lion king, all day and and and I I won't out of. Well, I have such a such a just, profound respect for your sister, um, who, uh, we spoke on the community forums about this specific topic, and and for someone who is madly in love with the lion king. She was impressively open to another perspective. I thought it was so, uh, I, I, I have a case that I've built up for years.
Speaker 2:It's like the, you know, like I, I have this on lock as if someday I will litigate it in court it's how long I've been building this case, and so I just gave her a couple gleaming details Little crystal points and she was fantastic about it, Except being like oh I actually never thought of it that way or was open to it. Whatever. That's what it looks like when you talk to the buttercup.
Speaker 3:I'm going to put forth something Right now we could do, could do, we could not do it. Maybe the buttercups will take and run with it. I think we should finally have it out and you should prosecute simba for irresponsibility, and I and I will defend him. I should warn you, though, that, as a that, as a sixth grader, I defended Aaron Burr and did get him. So, just so you know, this isn't my first fake-ass trial rodeo, so I don't want you to feel like I, you know, scammed you here you got.
Speaker 2:Aaron Burr off. That's impressive. That's no joke, man. That's what they call an open and shut case.
Speaker 4:Because Mrs Burr had a hell of a time.
Speaker 2:He even was born looking guilty.
Speaker 3:What did she say?
Speaker 4:I said Mrs Burr had a hell of a time.
Speaker 3:Now I'm learning. I'm getting the dirty jokes. This is I mean you see, here's the thing, Coach. You get mad at me. Castle's head has just turned away entirely.
Speaker 4:He's not even acknowledging it. He's refusing to admit the Aaron Burr orgasm.
Speaker 3:Oh, you get mad at me for loving her, but how could one not?
Speaker 2:Oh, plenty, have not before. Yeah, I spend every day, every day, all day long. Okay, so today we're discussing Wayne. You guys remember that little show we've been watching.
Speaker 3:Yes, ten episodes. Yes, kind of after school, specially low-key comedy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, super vanilla vibe, not a whole lot going on. When we last left our beloved hero in that sort of lifetime movie genre, he was standing on top of a desk in a police station with blood pouring down his face and onto his shirt. With blood pouring down his face and onto his shirt, uh, he had successfully um unlocked the drawer from the top of the metal desk old school metal desk and is now holding it like a and I always get this wrong. Is it a flail or a morning star, boss? I always get what's the one with the flail? Is the one? There's one that has a, a ball at the end of a club? It's like a tash and the other one has a swinging.
Speaker 2:That's the flail. Okay.
Speaker 2:So the morning star is the is the swing and do hit. Okay. So this is a. Now the third iteration of Wayne holding something you know at the like, a, like a ballast at the end of some sort of device. Once it was beer that he knocked out chamomile with, and the other time it was the gnome at the end of the chain hanging from the mailbox. And now we have a serene looking Wayne, now that he has been unchained, so to speak, from the desk where Reggie can't just he has been unchained, so to speak, from the desk where Reggie can't just absolutely mash his foot into Wayne's face over and over again, like you do in police stations all over the country. Apparently. I'm like what is happening?
Speaker 3:He didn't even graduate from the academy. I mean, you gotta earn that. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, that's not I'm sorry I'm sorry that's not fair to usually the police what did I just hear where?
Speaker 2:oh, no, no, yeah, no, no, you just made me think of in that book. I was reading david milch, the book I referenced last time. One of his friends came back from Vietnam and was like really, you know, really sort of respected soldier and want to misquote which police department but was pulled into the police department of a major city without going through the academy and put right in undercover work for two years and I was like wait, what it was? Because they knew the department was so corrupt that they couldn't bring him through the academy because they knew he'd be identified and anybody you know.
Speaker 2:So they took this guy, stuck him out into uh, what undercover work. And he did such a good, great job that if they pulled him out two years like I was waiting for the other shoe to drop where it was like, yeah, oh, they pulled nobody knew. By the time he came out he got thrown in prison or you know whatever, like they didn't know. But but it has a happy ending in that, uh, they did know it was him and brought down somebody, some you know a decent size, whatever, and then when he came out, they, they. He came out as a detective right away, no patrolman, no traffic duty, uh, no academy. I was like, wow, that was, and it was, that would. I think that would have been the late 70s or, yeah, I guess after Vietnam. So two years, so mid to early 70s, so I don't know exactly when. Vietnam in what 72?
Speaker 3:that was a thing in the 80s version of the Untouchables. Sean Connery said to Kevin Costner if you want an apple that's not spoiled, you don't go to the barrel, you go to the tree. And that's when they go fuck with Andy Garcia to see if he's about it. About it, given that he was willing to kill his superior officer yeah, remember that he pulled a gun better than you.
Speaker 2:You dirty, what did he call?
Speaker 1:him actually those are the two slurs we can say yeah, they were doing it. That's it, italians and Irish we know what you can do there.
Speaker 2:All we need is a couple of overweight people and we can just go to town. Yeah, that's great, it's all legal, all right. So, yeah, anyway, that was. I have zero idea why we got it. Oh, police stations everywhere. So we are back in the okalapedi. Um, wayne has even the odds, so to speak. At least he's not changed. Um and uh, we just get this beat here where, uh, he's standing on the desk looking at reggie, we get the reaction shot of reggie seeing him up there. Reggie is is not intimidated by the fact that he is shaken free right, like what happens when Reggie turns around and sees Wayne has that, he has now the Wayne look that we've seen before, where it's like you're going to get hurt, like the pain train is coming right. But Reggie is not phased by that, whether it's stupidity or bravery or or whatever, or where I don't know where the line is with Reggie there, but he is not phased by seeing ready to rock. And what does he do actually when he sees, when he sees Wayne standing there?
Speaker 4:He says, oh, we're going to do this. Oh, so we doing this, like he's just he's ready to go. Yeah, yeah. It's so ready to go that he said, oh yeah, my dick is hard Right because that's what you say right before you get in a fight, right?
Speaker 3:What's funny is I have heard people say that before about like I was so ready to go you know what I mean which is a crazy. But it is, without a doubt, a crazy thing to say. It's like a very odd expression of I'm ready to fight, like, okay, I have concerns both about your fighting and your, but that's fine I.
Speaker 2:I think it's just oh god, I love this show so much. Okay, so they're standing there facing off. He's like we're doing this, yeah, we're doing this my dick isore and and then wayne just goes uh why yeah, yeah but but the furrowed brow, though, like really like he heard him and he was like I, what?
Speaker 2:it actually breaks wayne's concentration. It's a little sun too. I don't, reggie doesn't mean it, no, but wayne goes from that that face right game face boss. And then all of a sudden he's actually lost in thought. He actually looks down at his own waistline and then is trying to figure it out. He's like wait what.
Speaker 4:And I would like to point out I don't think that it is always considered weird, obviously, when you're actually turned on, it shouldn't be weird. Also, again the Wire Detective Bunk is telling considered weird, obviously, when you're actually turned on, shouldn't be weird. Uh, also again the wire. Uh, a detective bunk is telling jimmy mcnulty something about how bad mcnulty had fucked over his former boss by giving him a bunch of cases like he ate second season. He figured out how to make this happen. They're sitting at at the bar laughing and McNulty says stop, stop, I'm too messin', which is a fancy way of saying I have an erection. Like there are times where you could say something You're like oh it's, I'm too messin'.
Speaker 2:What? Too messin', messin', too messin', oh too messin'.
Speaker 4:I'm not too messin'.
Speaker 2:U-S-C-E-N-T Too messent. I didn't know that I was hearing too messent and I don't know the meaning of the word messent.
Speaker 4:It's one of the funniest fucking things I've ever seen in my entire life, because you would expect McNulty to say, like, stop, my dick is hard, but no, no, no, no, he's a classy motherfucker. He's gonna say, stop, I'm too messing. So there are times where it's fine at least. Oh, I should also say there's a scene in Game of Thrones.
Speaker 2:Game of Thrones, because that's how we say it. That's how I say it Game of Thrones, not Game of Thrones, no, game of Thrones, game of Thrones. That's how I say it.
Speaker 5:Have you never heard I say it? Game of Thrones, game of Thrones, not Game of Thrones?
Speaker 4:No Game of Thrones. Game of Thrones, that's how I say it. Have you never heard? Me say it out loud Star Wars. It's also how I say Ridge Racer. I don't know why I do it. It's a thing. It's a thing I do. I do it on purpose, it is for fun, it's not that.
Speaker 2:I on the wrong syllable, being fastest on the wrong syllable.
Speaker 4:Yes, on Game of Thrones, khaleesi burns the shit out of a village. This was the Dracarys scene.
Speaker 2:Spoilers much.
Speaker 4:Oh, bitch, come on. That show has been off the air for like two years. We're not doing that. If you haven't seen Dracarys, why don't you just tell us?
Speaker 2:the end of Citizen Kane too.
Speaker 4:While you're at it, I would, but that movie wasn't actually that great so Khaleesi broils the shit out of his head, khar broils a village.
Speaker 4:yeah, it's the Chakara scene. A buddy of ours said I knew it was coming and it still gave me an erection. There are plenty of times where it's totally acceptable to say I liked this thing so much it made my dick hard. When you're about to physically fight a man you hate and are planning to kill, don't talk about your hard dick. It's not an appropriate time for that. It gives it a weird angle that and I don't just mean the penis, I mean all of it makes it weird.
Speaker 3:We're in sync. It's super weird, oh stop it.
Speaker 2:I will turn this car around right now you will not I will. That's a lie. This is terrible, oh my god you asked us to come here.
Speaker 4:What are you talking about that?
Speaker 2:was stupid on my part yeah, I'm not I'm not above making a few adjustments. So yeah, reggie, he's like why? And Reggie's like you know, because you know. And Wayne just does not know and tries to figure it out. You know what I meant. And now Wayne is like okay, in response, what does Wayne do here, coach?
Speaker 3:He starts winding up the old office drawer as one does Spinning around. I'm like, oh, my God. Someone's going to die in here. Someone's going to die. Do you know how heavy?
Speaker 2:those. Do you have a sense of how heavy that is?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I've been around those desks when I was a kid or whatever, or went to my mom's job or whatever. Those desks, that is the drawer alone. Yeah, you know whatever like those desks, like that is in the drawer alone. Yeah, those, those, those desks exist somewhere. They may not be used right now, but they still exist, Like don't think like they fell apart or something. Those things will survive the apocalypse.
Speaker 2:I'll give you. Let me make a visual, a visual reference for folks. My, when I was growing up, my dad had a factory and he was a genius. So what he did was he bought the one wooden building on a street of brick building, a street full of gorgeous brick buildings that are now all high-end lofts. Um, he, he bought the one, uh, that had dry rot and and um that the rain could hurt and um, uh.
Speaker 2:So I, if I told you the amount of times I had re-roofed this factory building with uh, rolls of rubber and patched with tar, it was literally like the, um, the scene on in shawshank where they re-roof the, yeah, yeah whatever that building and it's just you're up there with tar, that's in the hot sun and, uh, I've done it more times I can say anyway, our elevator broke and that's, that's a kiss of death for for a building, especially if you have no money.
Speaker 2:Uh, it's very difficult because elevators, uh, one, basically a monopoly on elevators, so you can't go find a cut rate elevator somewhere, can't be like, hey, you know anyone, anyone got an elevator they're not using, like it just doesn't, it doesn't happen. It's the otis elevator company. I think there's two, actually, I think there's one out east and one out west, but for what I remember, it was the otis elevator company, was the one I remember, and so it's like this is years and years ago. God, this gotta be 30 years ago this happened, and so even then it was like almost two hundred thousand dollars just for the elk. Um. So we were like, oh, we were trying to figure out how to, how to manage it, and we had this thing where we had to repair the insulation on the top. That was four stories up, and we had to repair this insulation. That meant we had to clear out the whatever junk the back of the fourth floor was where, over the years, we had, you know, lugged up all the crap that we didn't want to deal or somebody didn't want to.
Speaker 2:I wasn't in charge or anything, I was just the sherpa and, uh, I was just carrying, carrying things all the time, and so I was, you know, I was younger and um, so it was just full of all this junk. And the reason I bring this up is because there was a sort of a back parking lot and there was a door to nowhere, like a Jetson door on the side of the building, where, you know, if you walked out you would die. It was just open, you know, open the door, and there was nothing there. And so I took one of those steel desks, tried to aim at a dumpster that we had below, with one of my friends who came to help me, and we chucked this steel desk four stories down and it hit the edge of the dumpster and bounced and then rolled to a stop in the driveway, like in the big back parking area, and then, um, we, you know, we were like, okay, we didn't, you know, whatever, it didn't hurt, it didn't, it didn't come apart or anything.
Speaker 2:Uh, the drawers were still in and when I went down at the end of the day, there were two guys from shop, two of the employees that were working factory floor and they were like this is awesome, thank you. And they had decided that it was their new picnic table. It had landed right side up and they were used. They were sitting at it and smoking cigarettes and because it was absolutely unblemished in after a four-story fault where it landed on its edge, like imagine a human landing on its ribs, that's kind of how it landed right. So that's the desk we're talking about, to just to paint a very long-winded picture. So you understand what this drawer weighs that wayne is now. I had the same thing. When I saw this, I said somebody is going to you hit somebody with that and they die.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, no. I was like oh wow, we're really doing a showdown Like. This is all.
Speaker 4:I mean, I feel like TV, in the same way that a lot of shows show people drinking all day, every day, and somehow they never are intoxicated, they always have, except for Mad Men. Don Draper could get shit-faced, that is the one Don Draper could get shit-faced, that is the one. But in the same way, when they do fights, you can't do a real fight, because a real fight is like two, maybe three, not even punches, but like hits and somebody is falling over.
Speaker 2:If you get hit in a fight. If you get a real hit, chances are you got sucker punched, because it's very people don't square off in box. It's not like a. You know what I mean. It's just doesn't go like. It's all messy. It's especially people have been drinking. It's sloppy. Yeah, you know it's a lot of grappling. People come in, someone grabs over the group and scratches your face by you know, because they're trying to break it. Maybe your friend does it by accident and gets you. It's so messy and stupid, Right?
Speaker 4:So this is advice. Columnist Dan Savage refers to pornography as kabuki sex. That's not real. It's not a real representation of what humans do when they have sex. Tv shows have kabuki fighting. This is not what a fight looks like. This is you might as well be in the matrix.
Speaker 4:Yeah, this is anything you're seeing on tv is not real fighting. So when I saw the drawer come out, I I actually thought wayne should have been knocked out long ago. After the two kicks to the face, you're not. You're not staying awake after that, you're asleep yeah, okay.
Speaker 3:Well, I guess we started out by watching him get pummeled on a bank of snow and whatnot but yeah, no, I'm with you. That like that was no small. I mean he got kicked in the face repeatedly, yeah.
Speaker 2:We've only seen Wayne get knocked out once, and that was a sucker punch straight across the chin Full arm extension with great form from Calvin. Like Calvin knows how to punch Kirk Ward, who plays Calvin. He knows how to punch Kirk Ward, who plays Calvin. He knows how to throw Tamamile. We've got to look up for the actor does not Remember. He just it was like a cricket pitch, by the way in crazy news. The biggest event in the history of cricket happened over the weekend. You guys see that.
Speaker 3:I did actually, which is totally not a thing I would be aware of, but I did see the us go ahead. You do, you got it.
Speaker 2:No, no, the us upset, uh, uh, wildly favored, uh, I think it was pakistan and uh ranked sixth in the world. The us is like 18th or 20th somewhere around there. And huge upset, unthinkable like miracle on ice level upset in the world of cricket that they're hoping will draw many more American fans to the sport to join the billion fans that already love it. Wow.
Speaker 3:It's so interesting when you realize, like football, right, I mean, but like when you realize you can live here, this is just a culture thing. It's not like denigrating it, but like that you can live here and think like cricket is some niche thing, who would give a shit about it? And meanwhile around the world it's like you know, I mean. It's just amazing to me how different our view of these things can be.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh for sure. It's one of those things I seem to be constantly on a journey for the next dopamine hit, as always. So this is why, like the Euro, visions of the world and things that are like sort of obscure and I have to kind of figure them out a little bit on my own are appealing to me. Um, and, and I started watching a documentary on cricket once the us team, the t20, uh, which is a type of cricket, I guess. Uh, once that happened, I started watching and it was stephen fry explaining the um, explaining cricket, and saying, uh, cricket is, you know, it's so self-referential and pompous and it, it, it shuts people out. He's like we don't even have cricket, doesn't have rules, it has laws.
Speaker 4:And I was like oh God, oh shit, I'm in trouble.
Speaker 2:Once he said that yeah, he's like take, there's a tea break in the middle of the like a literal no shit. Yeah, this is what I'm saying. And I was like, oh, this is quirky and preposterous enough to absolutely hold my attention, like I was like, oh god, oh shit, like like, click, click, turn it off before I absolutely fall head over heels I was like laws and tea time or whatever. In the middle of the game and the show or match I was like oh.
Speaker 4:I am, for once, so happy to hear you talk because, I swear to God, I I have gone out of my way to try to learn the rules of cricket before. I can't remember why. I think the boyfriend said something about it. He and I both like try to research it, like try to look into it. I have a friend who, when she was younger, spent a year living in australia when she was in school, and so she talks about how she would like go to cricket matches, like follow the cricket team and like got into cricket a little bit. I was like, okay, great, can you explain the scoring to me? And she was like no, like no one can.
Speaker 4:I was like but what are the rules? How does somebody win? What are the positions? Like, what do you do? She was like no, that's not what you do with this, you just watch it and then sometimes good things happen and everybody cheers and sometimes bad things happen and other people cheer, and that's it.
Speaker 3:Like it doesn't, none of it matters and you know just by who's cheering what you should be doing. Yeah.
Speaker 4:I was like, well, wait, but when he throws the ball, if the guy doesn't hit it with his bat, is he out eventually? And she's like I don't know. Honestly, she's like I have tickets.
Speaker 3:Her answer was I don't know. I'm a big cricket fan. Oh, okay, when the ball goes by, the guy.
Speaker 2:What happened? No idea, no idea. What we need is Nate Bargatze as George Washington, explaining the laws of cricket the way he did the measurement system. Do you remember that in the oh, oh God? You guys, I know you. I think I made you watch this. The Washington's Dream sketch, nate Bargatze, oh my God. All right, here's what we're going to do. I'm going to post this on the community site and anyone can go All the Buttercups can go there and check it out. I'm also going to put up this fantastic cricket documentary that I was watching so anyone who's interested in cricket can find out about wickets and bowling and all the nonsensical slash, amazing, completely rational laws of cricket, and then we can sort of continue from there once we're all in the same footing.
Speaker 3:I am now oddly curious, so that says a lot about me, I guess. Well, I'll say, though, that you helped my self-esteem, because I did see that headline and I read the first paragraph, and it basically said that I guess there was a super bumble jumble wrapped in an enigma, and that, uh, then the us won, and I was like wow, like I've paid attention to a lot of sports I need to watch the wide world of sports.
Speaker 3:So I've done the like hey, I've got seven minutes to kind of get what's going on here. And I have to tell you I stopped reading that article because I was like it might have been like. You know, you go on Canva and it's like just says like lorem, like it might have just the article could have been that yeah, it could have said that and it would have made an equal amount of sense to me. I was like what the fuck does any of that paragraph mean?
Speaker 2:any of it. No, no, it is, and it was forced that way because of the tie at the end regulation. Yeah, it was like amazing. Um, yeah, no, no, it's, it's, uh, it's fascinating stuff. Um, it's the first thing I did once. I read that is. I said, okay, this is, it is. I read it. And every college uh, uh, admissions officer read it.
Speaker 2:And so I went to my 14-year-old who's entering high school, and I said what do you think? How about some cricket? How about take up cricket? So when we apply to colleges, you're going to be, you're going to do that. How are you going to do that cricket? Right, coach? And he was like no, no, no. And Juliana says, oh God, I don't think he can he. And Juliana says God, I don't think he can. He was never interested in baseball. I don't think he's got it in him. Do cricket, you know? And I said, god, he's so strong. I've been trying to get him to play offensive line football because he does not. He's gentle, he's a bunny rabbit, the sweetest boy that ever lived, but he's built like a brick shithouse. And have I had you lift him ever, coach? To ever say coach lifting?
Speaker 3:I think so because I feel like we had this particular conversation and I was kind of laughing yeah, I did. Because I think I was like I remember laughing like, oh ha ha, this will be cute. And then going to lift him and be like, oh, I almost ended up with a hernia. That wouldn't have been quite as fun. It has like bones like what do you?
Speaker 2:mean yeah, just yeah, seriously does not exist on this earth. So I was like, okay, he has. No, he doesn't want to hurt anybody, doesn't like, he's not aggressive. I was like, just play the one position in any sport where your whole job is to protect just protect somebody. He's like, oh, I could do that, but then we just couldn't work it out, so we settled, settled on lumberjacking as his obscure college. We said listen, what if we give you an axe and you just hack the shit out of a? We did not say shit. We said what if you just hack up a log as fast as you can? And we say, listen, he's an artist, writer, and oh, by the way, he's a competitive lumberjack. We're like, I think that's the like check. I shouldn't say this out loud because now everyone's going to know my secret there'll be a rush lumberjacks everywhere when George Costanza gave away his seven as the baby name, you know, he tried to give somebody soda.
Speaker 2:Do you remember that in Seinfeld? I don't know, he had stored up the ultimate baby name and it was Seven. And he wouldn't tell anybody. He's just like I'm going to name my child Seven. But then he gave somebody else. He's like how about you name your child Soda? That's really good. They didn't like it. And then they found out that he had this one Seven. And then they found out that he had this one Seven sort of stole it. They took seven, I think. So that's it.
Speaker 4:This is only tangentially related, but welcome to our podcast. Since my trip up to the Hudson Valley just north of New York City, I've been developing a theory about the difference between sort of Northeastern culture and midwestern culture, and I'm gonna have to delve one time into northeastern poor versus midwest poor, because I totally understand where you're coming from, castleton, when you say like oh well we didn't have money and we couldn't do this and we couldn't blah, blah, blah and all these other things.
Speaker 4:But the idea of somebody at my high school being like oh well, I want to increase my chances of getting into a good college, so I'm going to take up cricket, is the wildest shit I've ever heard in my entire life. There is absolutely no plane of existence where somebody from aurora, illinois, would be like I'm going to go join the cricket team. Like they don't exist, they don't have in here. There are not nearly enough people that would be able to do that. Like it's the. The idea that that is a thing you you might as well have told me that like, oh well, he's just going to become friends with ponies, like that's going to be in the same sort of he's going to talk to ponies.
Speaker 2:If it's competitive, colleges might, might be interested. It was like competitive pony befriending.
Speaker 4:He's going to start juggling rabbits as his hobby and like that's. It's fucking wild to me. I feel like we need to sit down and really get into it one time, and I think it'd be great.
Speaker 2:I just know, I know we've we've been so good, julianne, been so good. Juliana and I have mastered the art of getting kids into colleges. And so when they, when the parents will come to us and they go, okay, how do I do it? And we go, all right, tell us about your kid. And then they go, they'll say okay, and then because you have to build a narrative.
Speaker 2:That's our big thing build the narrative. And then every single essay has to, has to sort of fuel a piece of that narrative. So, as the admissions officer is putting it together, you're giving them the puzzle piece, you're establishing here's the narrative and you're going, yeah, this, this, this, this is. And by the end they go, yeah, kidding me, that's perfect, I, perfectly. I know this kid with every fiber of my being.
Speaker 3:Let's bring him in when when I think about now, I worked on my college essays. I'm not like you know, I did not, but like what you just described, I was so far from that level of strategy. I mean like I was I think I've told you both before the Saturday morning I took the SAT. Friday night I was drinking with my buddy Like I didn't tell you.
Speaker 3:I'm like it's always amazing. I remember when I first got back to teaching and I went back to my old high school, so a couple of people, but one parent in particular, had a ninth grade young lady and the mother wanted to know like came into my room with like pen and paper, like it was a press conference, like so how'd you get in again? And I was like I did things. I like, I like, I like I. It's so amazing to me that all this work goes in or that even people have the foresight to figure out who to pay off, like I was lucky, I got my fees in on time, what it's just amazing to me. That's amazing to me.
Speaker 2:But no, no For me. I'm always like I know the opponents are doing it, I know the kids.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, you're not wrong, they're doing it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we got to.
Speaker 2:Yeah no, no, no, we were at a fourth grade no, no, sorry, this at least I can say eighth grade. My daughter's a fourth grader at a school that goes up to eighth all girls school and they had like a commencement ceremony and each of the eighth grade girls had to do either give a speech to everybody, their own speech, or do some sort of performance. All the speeches were unbelievable. I was like who are? It was like build, like build like Jesus Christ, like I'm like how, who are these? You know, it was like every single speed. These girls had such authority and closure and and and I was just like I was blown away.
Speaker 2:But one girl came up and did a performance of the harp. She played the harp flawlessly, like I don't know what the song was, I could look it up in the program. But she played something on the harp flawlessly. I don't know what the song was, I could look it up in the program. She played something on the harp and I was like, okay, to my fourth grader. I was like let's see, four years from now you're going to have to give some performance. Your skills are watching YouTube and stealing candy. Your opponents are playing the harp. You know what I mean? Mean, I'm just like I'm not saying we can't.
Speaker 3:I'm not saying we can't win. Look, I want you to know this.
Speaker 2:I believe in you but all I'm saying like oh my god, like it was, like it was almost like what. I have four years to compete with this.
Speaker 3:I have to get her to like something enough to do it. It's wild, it's wild.
Speaker 2:Anyway, sorry.
Speaker 3:I think I knocked us down this path.
Speaker 2:It's not you, it's Big Hyena, it's Big Hyena.
Speaker 3:They're just getting it away here, yep.
Speaker 2:So Wayne starts spinning the old proverbial drawer and Reggie, of course, responds with the exact right thing, which is he sees it and he says fuck you, motherfucker. Which is like, oh yes, it's on, it's so on. And then, you know, wade starts swinging it over his head. Reggie is getting fired up. Reggie's like actually kind of bouncing and he's like let's do this bitch. And he runs in to step toward Wayne, like trying to time the spinning drawer. And what happens, boss?
Speaker 4:The payoff is that we immediately cut to the dog giving birth out of its ass as Wayne clubs him with the drawer.
Speaker 2:Yes, reggie does not time it properly this is.
Speaker 4:He would be terrible at double dutch, and I know that because I am terrible at double dutch.
Speaker 3:I once lasted five seconds doing double dutch, and it is, without question, one of the greatest achievements of my life. How people because my, what, I know all these girls who were unbelievable, and I, I remember thinking like I'm an athlete and being like, oh my god, and they used to do it like the telephone wire, yeah, so fuck it up was like yo, you gotta welt.
Speaker 2:I'm like that shit hurt yo.
Speaker 3:Like what kind of fucking game is this Telephone wire?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, wow.
Speaker 4:I remember one of the almost worst fights. The fight didn't happen, but the closest that I've ever seen to what would have been an extraordinarily bad fight was during recess in sixth grade. One of the girls doing the twirling wasn't going fast enough for Sierra Rogers, who was doing the actual double, and like she was like. I told you to go faster. I told you. I told you to do it faster. You are not keeping up with me. It was so serious. I was like somebody we got gotta. We call the police. We can't just get a teacher, we need everybody.
Speaker 3:This is gonna be fucking serious. I'm sorry, did you say a jump rope conflict? Yes, will you stop asking me stupid questions and get over here.
Speaker 4:It was so serious and they were friends, Like it was one of those fights where you're going to beat the shit out of your friends, oh that is magnificent, yep it's, it's I.
Speaker 2:It's amazing because it is. That is a absolute. That's that's like the final frontier, and I love that. Men are always better athletes than women. I was a good athlete and if I had, I never even tried. If I tried to step into a double dutch oh my god it was I would have. It would have been one immediate hit and fall down and hurt myself. I wouldn't even get one jump. I can't believe you lasted five seconds. I want to shake your hand right now. And then you see people do it where you have girls blowing bubbles and they're singing.
Speaker 2:And I'm like what in?
Speaker 3:the. What am I watching? What is this?
Speaker 2:witchcraft.
Speaker 3:It's amazing.
Speaker 2:Alright, so we get a slam on Reggie's face, as he so richly deserves, and we cut right to Lucky. Now we got an insert here of Lucky laying next to what I'm assuming is a moist potato. Is that what is going on here, guys, or well?
Speaker 3:at this moment I don't. I didn't know what it was. I knew I wanted them to cut to something else I, I didn't care what it was I'm holding this image here.
Speaker 2:I actually got a little, it was so like it's pretty gross it. What it looks like is uh, if you ground some hamburger, like if you, if you saute a little, it was so like it's pretty gross it. What it looks like is uh, if you ground some hamburger, like if you, if you saute a little burger and then splash it all over a. Uh like a, like, uh, some, some blankets that you stole from a, from a woman and her child, um what are you doing wrong to your hamburger?
Speaker 4:That's not what it should look like.
Speaker 2:No, no, that's not what hamburger. What does that look?
Speaker 4:That's great boss it shouldn't be shiny, how do you?
Speaker 2:describe it. Oh no, no, I don't mean the potato part, I mean look next to it, look at all that.
Speaker 4:Oh, just the grossness.
Speaker 2:Disgusting grossness.
Speaker 4:I mean, that is well, I don't want to spoil it too much, but that's.
Speaker 2:The potato doesn't bother me.
Speaker 4:It's the grossness. That's actually probably the bag that the other puppy was out in. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that probably did split and the baby is out the way it's supposed to be and that's the shriveled up amniotic sac. So it's the full size versus the dehydrated right next to it. Is what you're looking at.
Speaker 2:That it's the full size versus the dehydrated right next to it is what you're looking at. That's good Grape versus raisin.
Speaker 3:It doesn't make me a bad man or not of the new manhood that I just want this part to be.
Speaker 2:Let's stare at it a little bit longer, see if you can get a smell Lean in Just imagine lean in.
Speaker 2:Just imagine when tv becomes scratch and sniff. This scene will have even more meaning. Um, so okay. So we're looking at, lucky, there's a moist potato or a wet capsule of some kind. And uh, we hear like no, don't touch that. And and orland's like grab it. And they're trying to coach. Uh, you know, butthole tommy cole about what to do. He's still front and center. Um, maureen is still in the back, orlando's still in the back. Everyone looks part like like in an mmo when a uh enemy casts a uh area of effect disease spell, or everyone gets nauseous. They all look a lot like that. They all look like they're sort of, you know, fighting off a contagion of some kind.
Speaker 3:Um, as you might imagine, I don't know what an mmo is, but if whatever you're describing includes nausea, I'm pretty confident I don't know what I don't know this white boy's talking about, but, um, I love it, I love it.
Speaker 2:Uh, that's a massively multiplayer online, uh, role-playing ah, battle royale shit gotcha yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, much, much the same. So, uh, they're saying don't. Now they're using I, what I think is bird, uh is a, is a, uh, something that people have ascribed to birds over the years, which has also been disproven. But uh, either, Orlando I think it's Orlando says the mother will probably reject it If it smells I don't know.
Speaker 4:Sorry, yes, oh yes, maureen, that's why a mother would reject your child.
Speaker 3:oh yeah, yeah, there's a lot going on.
Speaker 2:There's a lot going on here yeah, it's because mother's rejecting offspring is like it's just a day rigor for yeah it's like can't blame her.
Speaker 3:You fucked it up by touching it. Yep yeah yep what yeah, jesus christ.
Speaker 2:oh, that's so. Jesus, that's great, okay. Orlando says you gotta tell her she's gotta push. Tell her you gotta push. Orlando, tell her the dog that you gotta push. Tell her you gotta push. And Tommy Cole says what here?
Speaker 3:How, I don't know how to speak dog, which seems like a reasonable response to that.
Speaker 2:We get just Google it.
Speaker 3:Maureen says just Google it.
Speaker 2:Google how to speak dog.
Speaker 3:Yeah, she's got a little Pino Grigio in her. And so then we get come on, girl, you got to fight, you got to push. And Orlando looks back at Maureen this is a mess. And now Tommy Cole is like fuck it, I don't know how to say pushing dog, but I'm not going to give up. I'm not going to give up for the same reason as I didn't give up on the speech Right. Yes, no, really no, no, that's it.
Speaker 2:He's front and center, he kind of just walked away.
Speaker 3:Fuck it. I'm here now like I will.
Speaker 2:You know, I gotta somebody's gotta do something say what you want about Tommy Cole, but if he's there, he's doing it, he's doing the thing.
Speaker 3:He's gonna step up. If you had a high school full of fucking miscreant kids, he's gonna give one of them his fucking banana, like he's just gonna do it again.
Speaker 2:I got another one At home. At home, Tommy Cole hey.
Speaker 3:I'm a.
Speaker 2:Oh butthole, Tommy Cole.
Speaker 3:Get the fuck off my property. I mean, he's really been abused. So he's like, no, like a dog, right, boo. And so we have poor Tommy Cole really doing his best to play doula to this dog he's just come into possession, um, she's doing it. So now, apparently that's working, and, uh, so we get more push, push, push, push and it's very exciting and we slam cut to yes to to Wayne smashing Reggie.
Speaker 2:He's now has the handle. He's choked up, like some of the best batters and cricket players and drawer swingers do, and now he's just holding the handle. I think it's Coach. Listen, I don't want to step on your toes. You are the resident actual coach on the program. Yes, yes, but I think it's important when you're fighting with a drawer to be multiple. Oh yeah.
Speaker 3:No, you know that. I believe that in general, I want to be multiple, and so you got to be able to swing, you got to be able to punch with the drawer. I mean, you know what else you got, you know? So, yeah, this is good work on Wayne's part. He's employing that Even things like I'm like, oh my god, this guy anyway.
Speaker 2:He is this is beautiful stuff. This is somebody with an actual imagination. I just when I see it, I have such a profound gratitude Because the world is so full of retread horseshit.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 2:Right, yes, like milk, toast, acceptable corporate drudgery that when you see true imagination, like true inspiration. This is why I'm so drawn to. I'm drawn to it to a degree where off air boss and coach have mocked me for it because they're like that's all you care about, you don't care about, you don't care about, um, you know, like, uh, following trends or whatever. You just want to show people beautiful moments that they may not have otherwise seen anywhere. Right, I've seen a lot of them and I and I'm I notice them when I'm in there, for better or worse, whatever lousy personality traits I have, I tend to notice great things, either when I'm in them or when I see them, and I always call them out and I always try to say take note of it, because you know, life goes by pretty quickly and the more beauty you can add, the better. So, even if that beauty takes the form of a absolute Donnybrook between two knuckleheads in a police station, it is done with flair and imagination and tremendous blocking and acting and stunt work, tremendous blocking and acting and stunt work.
Speaker 2:And so we follow, as you know, it's just great Wayne smashes Reggie. There's this whenever anything again, we talk about. These are not real. This is a kabuki theater. But we see Wayne hit Reggie, we see reggie go down, so it's a punch with a drawer. He's holding the drawer handle in his fist and then he punches with the dress. The drawer is like an extent like like, uh, incredible, hulk style, my fist is this, big right it's yeah, there's like there is a cartoonish quality to it, even in its unbelievable violence.
Speaker 3:Like what is that?
Speaker 2:and so he takes that on the chins. Great sound editing, great sound design. He goes down. You see him go down and the next you can feel it. You're like oh my god, you can feel it in your vertebrae. And then the next shot is a wide shot of Wayne doing a full rainbow of the now extended chain drawer over his head to hit the downed Reggie.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, like, oh my God, oh my God.
Speaker 2:He hits him so hard that the drawer breaks off. Remember when I said I threw one of these desks out a four story building, yeah, yeah that's going to be the handcuff, not the drawer itself it could have been the drawer handle. I thought right. Or is the drawer handle still attached?
Speaker 3:neither of those things is supposed to give. There was a lot of force. It's not like handcuffs are made to be fragile, right?
Speaker 4:no, no, no that that. That's very true also I think now go ahead. Well, no, I was gonna say I. The reason that I remembered it is that in the next scene, as reggie is getting up and turning around, it then cuts to wayne who at this point is very slowly like wrapping the chain around his hand.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 4:So he grabs the full handcuff with his fist, which I remember because, you might remember, I remember that too yeah. I remember in the last episode I mentioned that Wayne, standing on top of the desk bloodied and dropping the drawer, made me see Mark McKenna in a way that I had not previously seen him.
Speaker 4:So this scene um uh like three weeks ago three three weeks ago, uh, I was hanging out with one of my five. There was a miscommunication. Uh, she said that on one of the nights we were discussing if we could hang out, like if we had free time, she said that she had her daughter's school play and I was like, oh, I could go, I'll go see your daughter's school play. Like, come on, I love her, I want her to like me, I will bribe her real friend.
Speaker 2:You're a real friend I will do that.
Speaker 4:Um, there was a slight miscommunication, possibly because of the edible that I had ingested before she and I started talking about this. Nice it. It is her daughter's school play, but her daughter was not in the play. She was going with her daughter to watch a bunch of strange children perform. Mary Poppins Jr.
Speaker 3:And then you were there.
Speaker 4:And then I was there. Luckily for me, I had again had an edible. So the first half, luckily for you what I had also had an edible before it just sounded like the most chicago-y accented thing I've ever.
Speaker 2:I luckily I had a gun and an edible. I was like, what the hell did you?
Speaker 4:just luckily I'd add an edible yeah, I uh, it gets kind of nasally, sometimes shockingly. Um. So yeah, I was just completely baked out of my mind for the entirety of Mary Poppins Jr which, by the way, kids play took two and a half hours. That is exactly two hours too many. You want that?
Speaker 4:thing to be 30 minutes tops. The oldest children were in eighth grade. These were not seasoned performers. The mics kept cutting out. At one point the stage crew goofed a cue so they just skipped a song entirely.
Speaker 4:I, yes, I, I could not for the life of me and, yes, I was stoned, but I, for the life of me, could not follow the plot of a movie I've seen before. Like every once in a while I'd turn to my friend and I'd be like do you know what's happening? Like what the fuck is going on? Um, so it was incredible, it was really. It was one of the best experiences of my life. The first to my friend and I'd be like do you know what's happening? Like what the fuck is going on? So it was incredible, it was really, it was one of the best experiences of my life.
Speaker 4:The first half. The second half dragged a little bit, so I spent most of the time thinking about Wayne. Honest to God, I was like, well, I don't know what's happening here, so I'm just gonna. And so I thought a lot, a lot about this specific scene where he winds the chain around his hand and hold on to the handcuffs and with that hand that is handcuffed, he's like doing sort of that boxer back and forth, like he isn't punching, but he's like showing you that he's going to punch and then, instead of doing that, he pops Reggie in the face with with his other fist, like just straight jabs and right in the nose like very clearly was like I am distracting you with this thing over here. Hey, hey, look look at the shiny bracelet, look at this. And then slams him in the face and I love it so much that it got me through 45 minutes of supercalifragilisticexpialidocious.
Speaker 2:I'm so. I wish I wasn't picturing like you as Lauren Boebert in no, no no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It was not that Like oh God, just rubbing your neighbor. It was all internal, I like.
Speaker 4:That's why it's okay.
Speaker 4:It was all internal and also it wasn't necessarily a hot thing. It was just like, hey, do you remember how fucking cool it was when he did that thing, when he told the guy I'm going to do this, and then he did it. And then, after it was done, he was like yes, I just hit you in the face like that. Like I told you, I told you what I was going to do, I showed you the thing I was distracting you with, and then I still hit you in the face with my other fist.
Speaker 2:What is the origin story for that coach? I'm trying to think like the whole concept of look up here and then whacking somebody with the other fist. That comes from something iconic. I don't know if it's like three stooges. I was trying to think if it was if it was comedic in origin, or if it was like a, I'm not sure.
Speaker 3:I'm glad you mentioned the way in on the stooges though, because it is it does have. I mean, obviously we've transplanted into a very much more serious space where actual injuries happen. Um, but yeah, I think you're right that that's like a thing we've seen over time of, like you know look here, whatever I don't you feel like you've seen shemp or curly like yeah, yeah yeah, like wind up or whatever and then jab or something.
Speaker 4:Yes, that is exactly what he did, but in a way that is not comical whatsoever, in a way that is very much like oh shit, yeah, no, he just broke that kid's nose.
Speaker 3:Also not, yes, the power of the punch, but it's also the humiliation when I do remember it from. But it's also the humiliation, like where I do remember it from and it's not where it was invented, it's not where it was invented at all. But now you talk about your deep cuts In the second Sugar Ray Leonard Roberto Duran fight, which I'm sure all of you have watched. But that is one of the things that Sugar Ray Leonard did to frustrate Roberto Duran before Roberto Duran quit. And I'm telling you that was one of the things that Sugar Ray Leonard did to frustrate Roberto Duran before Roberto Duran quit. And I'm telling you that was one that he wound up this right hand and he wound it, and he wound it and he's back and I just remember him being like oh, that's so, that's like what you do to your little brother. Yeah, you don't do that to a professional boxer. What is happening right now? So, yeah, I think part of it is also like Reggie, I am so ready to kick your ass, doesn't it?
Speaker 2:feel like an Apollo Creed thing. Yes, Carl Weathers era. Yes. Rest in peace, man somewhere somewhere he's got a suit going, but but it feels like an Apollo Creed yes Style, Maybe, maybe, Maybe borrowed from you know, pulled from the pages of actual boxers. I don't know. I'm trying to think when Sugar Ray Leonard. I don't remember when.
Speaker 3:No, he would have been Sugar Ray, leonard would have been after Rocky, but yeah, I mean, it could have been any number of things, but I think, but filmically, and I, I think you're right that Moe, I do specifically remember Moe doing something with this hand and then they're looking and then he'd slap them with the other hand. Stuff like that.
Speaker 4:I have to fully admit I don't like Carl Weathers. I love him Wow that's worth discussing. Oh, okay.
Speaker 2:Sorry, everybody, I got genuinely concerned. I was reaching for the hang up button.
Speaker 4:I had to make sure that I didn't let Castleton's Arrested Development joke slide by itself, so I got another one in there. Thank you, you're welcome. I caught the stew. You had a stew going, I saw it baby, you got a stew going.
Speaker 2:I love Carl Weathers so much, just the best. Caught the stew. You, you had a stew going. I saw it. Baby, you got a stew going. Oh god, I love carl weather so much. Um, uh, just just the best. Um, here's the two things I will say about this one. When you see a choice like this from a director uh, I don't know who directed this episode, um, but we will look it up um, they had, they had, I think they had a number of different directors. I don't think they had one director for each episode, but I will double check. Uh, sorry, I meant one director for for the entire series. I think it was split up among a few directors. But the thing is, I feel gratitude when I watch this. I feel like thank you, like like you gave me a personal treat because you could have just had him wrap it up and then and then do something you know whatever, but what you did was you did a little dance, you put some stylized stuff into it and you made gave me like a little tiny whiff of nostalgia in the middle of even as this is a very fresh take on, you know, a view of the world, it still is has it has an interesting yeah
Speaker 3:yeah, yeah and so it feels like that way.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah, um, so I'm appreciative of that. The other thing I didn't notice is that it took boss 10 episodes and chain roughly 20 or so minutes into a 34 minute to become attracted to marketing, to which I go, and we're supposed to sit here and figure out women at cause. He was there for nine and a half episodes, 10 and 10 and a quarter episodes where that didn't happen, and I'm like how, how can we compete? We are single cell organism. I don't know, I can't even. He was there the whole time and he's a beautiful man. He is a very, very handsome boy and this is what it took to get him on your fucking radar. Now I know you are, you know, broken, yeah, as a human, and I know that you don't represent the entirety of all women in your likes and dislikes. You skew a little. You have a custom sort of take on it.
Speaker 4:I believe you did refer to it as good-looking iguana. If I'm remembering correctly, that is true, I said that. That's good I think so, that's exactly right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, that's true, yeah, but that's what it took to get you there with him, and so what? What didn't get you there? The rest of it.
Speaker 4:So, okay, well, first off, you know I'm going to push back on the single-celled organism argument, because that's the same as the men are big dumb oafs. I'm not allowing that anymore. You're a, you both are grownups, uh, and all men? Well, all men are um, so I don't know if it's actually all that mysterious. I did mention in I think it was episode two, when he was waiting for dell to get out of the bathroom after he had purchased all of the menstrual products. For that, looking up over the comic, I said I could understand why dell would be attracted to him.
Speaker 4:Like I absolutely get that he is a beautiful man. There is also this weird this is the Lip Gallagher phenomenon for me also that the character that the grown man is playing is supposed to be underage, and so there is a part of me that's like oh well, this is a child Like, even though Mark McKenna is a grown up and Jeremy Allen White is a grown up, if they're playing. I just I don't want it to get squicked for me.
Speaker 3:So yeah, I, I, I, I get that.
Speaker 4:There are, unfortunately, times where it and I should mention, it's not just violence that I think is attractive.
Speaker 2:It is in fact it's not just, not just, no, not just. It's not the only thing that gets me revved up. Just abject violence.
Speaker 4:No, but smart violence I'm very into. I think I've mentioned on the show before that, Veronica Mars. There's an episode where Logan Eccles essentially breaks into jail, gets himself arrested.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, no, you referenced this.
Speaker 4:Yes, there's the shot where it shows him pulling up to a cop car in full view of two cops in the restaurant and beating the shit out of the cop car so that they will arrest him, so that he could bust into jail in order to beat up a rapist. It is insanely hot because you want people to beat up racist, a rapist and racist both.
Speaker 4:Both are fine sure and also he had a plan. He had a plan, he executed it. It worked well. Everything turned out fine for me, so it there is, um it is there's a tactical strike element the tactical strike element of it and I think that's what finally, sort of like, I don't know.
Speaker 4:It's the same way that, um, I wasn't like super into coach beard until he yelled at ted in the pub. It was, it was beard's pub scene that I was like. Oh okay, oh okay. I get this now. Pablo schreiber I watched him on a full season of the wire and I didn't give a shit about, uh, nikki sabaka, but mad sweeney rolls into american gods doing his coin tricks and I'm like, well, everybody on the left side of the room is pregnant.
Speaker 2:That's just how this rolls yeah, no, no, I can appreciate that, okay. Yeah, I mean, when I hear you say that you like violence to a Ted Lasso audience sometimes, I think we got to expand the Supreme Court of this podcast and just add a few more bodies.
Speaker 4:I mean.
Speaker 2:To just give you know.
Speaker 4:Oh bullshit, because when Roy Kent rolled up into the bar and headbutted Colin and said I'm not sure which one of you I nutted because I don't see that good at night anymore. You're telling me you didn't become a little too messant.
Speaker 2:Just a little bit. There's no good way to answer that question. You've left me verklempt um congratulations, um. No, that's the opposite of a tactical strike. For what it's worth, it's just a. That's just an arbitrary strike, and whoever gets I don't see too good. So I don't know which one of you motherfuckers I headbutted. Oh, it's so beautiful, god damn, I love. Right, all right. Uh, wayne wraps the chain around him. See, boss, look it. The actual cuff is intact, right, so it must have been the handle.
Speaker 4:Well, he also could have closed it, though I mean, I'm not saying one way or the other. It's either the handle or it's the handcuff. It wasn't like the front of the drawer didn't come off. The drawer itself is still intact.
Speaker 2:Okay, so we get a little, uh little bunny, step here, we get, we get a little. You know that, that coach, what are you, what are you reacting to, coach, I mean you just see, he's made a face.
Speaker 3:These guys, what I will say is they they do an excellent, excellent job of selling that these two individuals have had a lot. There's a book um, was it perry thomas? Down these mean streets? I taught when I was teaching high school and so, short version, spanish harlem story what have you? And the, the main character's father. One thing I do remember is the main character's father telling him if you punch a guy in the nose and he doesn't flinch, run, run, get ready for like. I don't remember if that's the exact line, but it's essentially like either get ready for the fight of your life or run, because that guy has been in some fights. And so for these two to be in the condition they are in and to both be like alright, let's get started. The whole fight I was like oh my god, this is a clash.
Speaker 2:The haymaker that Wayne threw with the drawer you do not get up from, nobody gets up from it, and Reggie thought it was foreplay.
Speaker 3:Yes, that's a thing? Yes, exactly that.
Speaker 2:That got Reggie his dick, his whole order, that got him. He got up like, oh you, dirty boy, right, you just go. Oh my God, from that standpoint, what, what character building, you know, and the fact that I, I believed it. I was like he's, he has that idiot strength, he has that, whatever. This sort of thick, thick bodied sort of yeah, I can, I can take every hit, uh, he's got that and I believe it. Um, I also want to. I want to show this beautiful shot we always like to call out gorgeous cinematography. What a, what a allegory for america this shot is. Um, you have your generic like office background, you know, you have your venetian blonde soft light coming in and then you have two white or white adjacent idiots about to absolutely destroy each other, above the post-it notes and desk lamps and clipboard. And I go, god, what a beautiful shot. Like. If I was there on set that day, I would have just like, added, added the DPM and, like you know, you see a shot like this and you go good for you.
Speaker 2:It's just so beautiful. So now music picks up and we do the thing that Boss loves Wayne toys with him, holds his right hand, which has the handcuff up high, and then steps in quick with a quick jab with his left, Bam, bam, bam, and then follows through with just a right cross Coach. And also, in fairness, these guys know how to punch. Either they know how to or they were trained.
Speaker 3:But these guys are throwing. They're not throwing from their arms, it's not like oh, they don't know how to do it, like go off. I mean, this is yeah, this is a fight this is not you know, hey, you took my parking spot.
Speaker 4:Like these two are going for it yes, this is not for Brett Goldstein running across the parking lot to Keely and everyone's like, oh, you're an, you're an actor.
Speaker 2:A theater boy.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you're a theater boy.
Speaker 2:No, no, you know, you know when you see it. I remember when I saw um, there was a. You know, sometimes they would have like a. You know, let's say, oh, early before, when everyone was still in the dark ages, say the 1980s era, and you go and they'd say, oh, this woman beat up this guy and, and you know, she looks like a ballerina throwing punches.
Speaker 2:Okay, and then you see juliet lewis in natural born killers and you go, oh shit, like she knows how to throw, she knows how to throw a kick, she knows a bunch. I don't know if she knew it coming in, but like it. I'm like, yes, that is the, that's the mechanism, that's how it works, and it's believable that there's enough force behind that motion in your body that it could do some damage. Um, and so you look at these two guys throwing punches. I mean wayne, that's what we have a free of the screen frozen right here, and wayne is stepping in about to just deliver another haymaker and this, this looks like that's gonna hurt whoever gets hit by this. That's gonna hurt. Um, and oh, I want to call this out. This is a rocky homage right here yeah this is.
Speaker 2:This is rocky and apollo creed right here, both going down there and I'm trying to think was it rocky two, the end of rocky two? Ding, ding, they get in the ring and they both throw a right hook at the exact same time. Oh, yes, right and that's how the that's how the movie ends, yes, I think, and then it's a painting but yeah start to start the next one. Oh, was it three?
Speaker 2:and then I think three, and then they pick up before I think they pick it up before with, but it's a painting of that freeze frame, but they both go down when they hit each other. That's, that's a straight homage. That is just a. That's just another gift. This is full of easter eggs, of people who love movies and tv. It's, it's, it's free groceries, as my friend would say, whatever.
Speaker 2:Uh, we have friends that make films, whatever, and and we'll do a coach and I'll do script readings and we'll give them notes and anytime we see, uh, like a joke that they missed. You know the joke. That's, it's on the table, just don't walk by it, it's right there. We all, we call it free groceries. Don't don't, don't pass up some free groceries, baby, it's right there. Um, so that's what's happening in this. They're just giving us gift after gift. Um, the boys square up again. Reggie misses, two wild pitches, just you know, absolute swing and a miss that wayne ducks under and he comes over the top and clobbers Reggie and Reggie responds by grabbing Wayne, which is much more believable, the grappling. You know, you're going to try to mitigate the pain and the sort of tactical disadvantage. If you're getting jabbed, all to hell, you better do something to switch them.
Speaker 3:I remember it was a joke at the time. It reminds me of you make you talk about that tactical decision. Um, I remember I was joking around my boss when I used to be a bartender and so we were talking about fighting or whatever he's like, I'll fight any in a phone booth and I just thought like that that's what this felt like. It was like no, no, no, we're not, we're not doing it. Get over here, uh. So yeah, no, this is very believable.
Speaker 2:He said that I'll fight any uniform. In a phone I heard I heard a different version of that, which is what was uh, this guy couldn't, this guy couldn't land a punch in a phone. That's that's how I heard it, like as a derogatory thing. Yeah, that's funny right if we were right.
Speaker 3:Oh, that's funny too, but yeah he that's funny too. But yeah, he said I'll fight any of you in a phone booth. I remember laughing. Okay, I get that. I would not want to fight you in a phone booth, sir. So you are correct. I get why you just said that.
Speaker 2:It's so weird. I remember I know I've told this story before, but I remember being I was traveling in Europe with a soccer team. We were playing in tournaments and remember the I don't know if you remember the guy that was ran the tournament or ran our team. It wasn't our coach, but he was like the. I don't know, it was like a CIA, but he's memory. I said we were bullshitting with the guy and we're like oh, let's have a pillow fight it. He said I'll take the entire team on do you guys remember this at all?
Speaker 3:no, and oh, I definitely told this story. No, but I'm just. You know my brain, I'm like you know, we're in germany we were.
Speaker 2:We were in a, in a in a gymnasium and this guy he says um, his name is mark, I forget, but he was like uh, he's always been like a little bit of a deity to me because he could do anything at any time. It was like faceman from 18, this guy. Our bus broke down in um, denmark at 2 am, the middle of the night in denmark, and this guy, uh, somehow got us this is pre-cell phone. Uh, somehow had a bus to us 38 minutes later, a new bus, um, we just packed up and moved on.
Speaker 2:I'm like we didn't have cell phones. I'm like how did he do? How did he do that? The guy was a superstar. Anyway, he said I will take on the entire soccer team. I think we're 50. I traveled with a couple of teams, so I forget which one, but I think these were 15-year-olds. He said I'll take the whole team on. And we were like, okay, I know I made the story when we were talking about ted lasso and pillow fight. You have one pillow fight you'll never watch, never have moved, moving that again. But anyway, the the what happened with the story was while we were like getting all fired up and and like laughing about how we're going to destroy this.
Speaker 2:There's what 26 of us I don't remember how many you know in what world right what he did was he took about four pillows and he pushed them into one pillowcase and he twisted it up and he made a cudgel so that when we started fighting with these bush league generic like tourist pillows that they get, we were hitting him with, with, with marsh, not even marshmallows they were lighter than marshmallows. We were hitting with nothing, with nothing air, and he, if you got hit by and we all did, because he left all we were in peak condition. I was a muscle I had no fat on and I was like. I was like as close as I could ever get to being a professional athlete. All I did was play sports and I was traveling to play sports in other countries and compete against other countries.
Speaker 2:And this fucking guy, he buried us. He. When he left, we were all lying on the ground in pain.
Speaker 3:He took out an entire soccer team because he knew right.
Speaker 2:This is how to do it yeah, I've always been amazed, so I love that quality in people. And so when you see, you know this, this type of thing, this type of this type of uh battle between reggie and wayne, you know there's an element to it where, you know, wayne knows a few tricks, reggie knows a few tricks. Reggie was smart enough in the beginning to not get too close to wayne. Uh, he stood, stood on the desk and kicked him from distance. That's just just smart, that's just good, just good tactical. You know, utilization of, of of the scenario, the battlefield scenario. And so this is why he tries to lock up with Wayne a little bit, because he's missing his punches and you know, and they, they keep, they keep the dance going. He pulls Wayne down on the desk, wayne's manages to get back up, reggie misses a couple more, wayne steps in and hits him. But when Reggie hits, also, you feel it. Reggie is like a real, he's a hard hitter. They're trying to use a few.
Speaker 2:What's this tactic here? Who throws something? Reggie. Wayne hits Reggie and stumbles, stumbles at him. Oh, it's Wayne that does it. Yes, of course it is. What is the movie where? It throws sand?
Speaker 4:in the eyes of someone, the.
Speaker 2:Gladiators. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's like use whatever you have at your advantage. Wayne throws some paper clips or something. Listen, wayne was chained to a desk and threw down Some manila folders In a comic book, but it works twice. So Reggie stepped on the folders or the comic book, we don't know what he stepped on, but it worked and he slipped and he's like fuck you. And then Wayne throws A handful of paper clips.
Speaker 2:The guy got hit by a like the the. The volume of metal he got hit with would be what? One trillion paper clips. But a handful of loose paper clips staggers him back right enough for wayne to clobber him. Um, and then he gets up and grabs a keyboard. Yeah, and you know he grabs it blindly behind his back. When he hits the desk he's down, grabs the keyboard. So when he comes around, wayne doesn't see the keyboard coming and he gets Wayne in the face Like you do. So that actually was mildly effective on Wayne. He falls backwards into an office chair and then Reggie goes in and drives him, two hands on the lapels, and just drives him backwards into the wall, sliding in the chair into the wall until they're both sportscaster distance, I like to call it. You guys remember that reference, uncomfortably close to your fellow sportscaster If you look Coach. Anytime you watch, we're desensitized to it.
Speaker 3:But watch the next time you see two sportscasters.
Speaker 2:It is so you would just never be that close to your friends. These guys are like kissing distance right now. And what does Reggie say here, Coach?
Speaker 3:Fucking dead now, Boston boy yeah.
Speaker 4:It's a little Trump-like in the way that he keeps looking for a specific nickname. He's tried coffee boy. He's tried beer boy.
Speaker 5:Now he's trying Boston boy. Oh interesting. Yeah, you know, you're right, yeah.
Speaker 4:He's leaning hard on the boy. He feels like that's going to be the thing that really gets Wayne. It can't figure out the adjective for it though.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's. It's interesting you say that I will, because we actually may talk about this in greater depth. I'm not going to spoil the real deal of the meal, but I uh was in a situation recently where I someone chose to be named, to uh name call in my direction and I just kept saying that yes, I was the thing that I was being called and you can watch because it's on video, because I'm an asshole, but you can watch this person get increasingly angry and they keep repeating the insult because it's clear that they were so convinced that that insult was going to totally unravel me that they hadn't really thought through what to do next. So I kind of feel like when you say that about reggie, it's like hey, reggie, like I don't know what to tell you, but I'm not really sensing that wayne cares about the boy oh, that's not, that's not getting out.
Speaker 4:This is um, uh I. I should mention it is equivalent to in Happy Gilmore, when what's his face? The bad guy trip whoever his name is, I can't remember right now but he says oh, that's fine, I eat pieces of shit like you for breakfast. And Happy goes you eat pieces of shit for breakfast, like just immediately sucks all of the air out of the insult. It's like it's not only that, it doesn't affect him, like in the video, when you're like yeah, okay, I am. He's like well, you're a bitch, like it. Just the absolute loss of momentum when you're so sure it's going to land so hard and it's so the opposite.
Speaker 2:Yeah, terrible, like having no ground game. Uh, reggie goes, I'll kill you. He's all right up in wayne's grill and then wayne grabs him and pulls away. Which is what coach so hold on.
Speaker 3:So he pulled. He pulls him in by the back of his head, yeah, and then he wait. No, we to do that again, because I forgot.
Speaker 2:He goes to bite him, Coach. That's what's going on.
Speaker 3:Oh, but I'm saying it doesn't get to him though, right? No, because Reggie bites.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's what I was waiting for. Okay, that's what I was waiting for. I love this beat so much.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah yeah, he, wayne, is going to bite part of the man's face off, but I thought something happened behind it because he didn't get to him. No, no, he's going for his ear. Yeah, he's going to bite him, and then Reggie says no biting bitch, and there's a lot of violence here.
Speaker 2:So, wayne, clocks him no biting bitch is fantastic, and the fact that it's Reggie establishing like an appropriate boundary, and also one. I agree with it is a complete weenie move to fight somebody during a fight.
Speaker 4:No, it's not well, it's a fucking weenie move to stand up on a desk while somebody has changed to it and repeatedly kick them in the face.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I kind of feel like this fight has gone beyond any like oh, we're doing rules like we are doing, make it out of here alive at this point maybe in lesser parts of the country, uh, fighting is acceptable, but here in the boston area, oh my good man, I'll have you know that totally.
Speaker 2:um, uncouth too, uh, whatever, listen, we can all, uh, we can all decide how our fights should go or what our prescribed rules for a battle to the death might be. I don't love the biting, so I do enjoy that, reggie. Of all people, biting has changed. If you look at some of the fights that we've seen weighing in, biting has played in. It's a move. He's got it, got him out of it, literally sprung down, had he not?
Speaker 3:bitten the dad knows you know that's, you know what? Okay, yeah, I should have paid more attention. Thank you for calling that out, because, also in a storytelling way, yes to what you just said, but also in a storytelling way, it's what got you here, won't get you there yeah, it's, it's how he shuts the fight down.
Speaker 2:He ends the fight he's like by disfiguring people.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and he's like, no, this it, it won't, that's not gonna work on me, what else?
Speaker 2:nobody but he. But he says it like a like no, no key, no takesy-backsies. It's like a kindergarten no bites, no tagbacks. I'm trying to think when you say no something.
Speaker 3:No backsies, I get it. It does have that quality to it Very much.
Speaker 4:Just very much so that also he thinks he gets to establish rules. If there was an establishment of rules, it was going no, no, no. Just very much so that also he thinks he gets to establish rules. Like if there was an establishment of rules. It was going to be before the fight. You don't get to say in the middle of the fight.
Speaker 2:I know, but you do, because he just did.
Speaker 4:I mean you can, but who the fuck has to listen to you? And he talked it out.
Speaker 2:It was a talk. He was like. Stopped in the middle of the fight A guy is pulling to saber tooth his face and he holds him off with his with his thick ass shoulder muscles.
Speaker 3:And then he goes hey, no button bitch, I'm not sure, I'm not sure Wade is agreeing to that?
Speaker 4:No, no, no, that's I think. I think that that is the fact that you identified that as him talking it out is the difference between how people who are raised in society as females and people who are raised in societies as males disagree about talking, because if you say something to me and I don't agree to it, we haven't talked. You've said something at me and I've either ignored it or moved on. If I say yes, okay, fine, fine, no biting, then we have talked it out before.
Speaker 2:Then you're just saying shit that is everything's got to be gendered with her right boss, I mean right coach, yeah exactly everything's always got to be about gender, no, but but actually, seriously, that is really.
Speaker 3:I want to keep going because I know we want to get through this fight, but I, I like I want to, as, as they say in meetings, that would drive Coach crazy. Let's parking lot that.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, let's put a pin in that.
Speaker 3:We're going to table that for later.
Speaker 2:That's part of a bigger conversation.
Speaker 1:So let's stick a pin in that and we'll come back to it folks. Okay, great point though.
Speaker 2:Orlando. Thank you. No, I really want to reflect that back to you. No, I want to. I really want to reflect that back to you. That was really beautiful and we're going to do some visioning, and what we're going to do is what's the word I hate?
Speaker 3:Ideate is the one that makes me Ideate, that's the one you nailed it. Ideate is like oh my God, You're going to make me ideate about that all over myself later.
Speaker 2:I cannot stand corporate.
Speaker 3:I notice it, but I know it drives you nuts. I'm like what?
Speaker 2:are we doing? And I look around and all I need is one other person in the room to roll my eyes at. But when I don't have it, it's like being in a John Waters film where I'm like this is what's happening. You've all agreed to this construct of bullshit. Okay, all right. Anyway, I can't take it.
Speaker 4:I don't know how boss is. We don't do that shit at my job.
Speaker 2:I'm a nonprofit.
Speaker 4:We don't have the same amount of.
Speaker 2:No, yes, not in finance, well, but your boss has tried to get you to. Hey, emily, could we get you to next time not arbitrarily decide about what your co-workers times will be and maybe collaborate a little more.
Speaker 4:That's not how he said it.
Speaker 2:What did?
Speaker 4:he say no, no, no. The thing that actually happened was he said you know work on this year end closed schedule with this department, and I did it. What he said later was I wanted you to collaborate more. I was hoping that you would meet with them and do these things, and so next time, look, I didn't care about how he talked. I don't care what the words he said. I don't want to be tricked into learning.
Speaker 4:I want you to come to me and say I want you to do this thing, and then I will do this thing. But if you're like, oh, do you think maybe it'd be? And, by the way, men are fucking terrible at this I dated a guy oh, again again again you see what this is all about.
Speaker 2:It's just just man bashing, absolutely. But who will stick up for the men? Exactly who will stick up? You have no idea how much more bashing you all deserve when is our ship gonna come in?
Speaker 4:there's when there's a thing that I have noticed men do a lot more to me than women do to me. I don't know if women do it to men more, if this is like if that's how the relationship works. But men will say to me do you think it would be better for you if blah, blah, blah, or do you think you would want to blah, blah, blah?
Speaker 4:And I'm like no, I don't think that If I thought that I would have done that, you don't need to point out to me what I might want to do. I know what I want to do. If you want me to do something, ask me to fucking do it, but if you don't, I need to ideate. You need to smile. More is what it is.
Speaker 2:That's it. You look a lot prettier when you smile, honey.
Speaker 4:Oh my god, I only hear every.
Speaker 3:The balls it takes to say to another human being you should smile. I know we joke about it like we're fucking around, but like we're joking about a thing that there are men in the world who both think and then allow to come out of their mouth to the whole fucking adult.
Speaker 4:You should smile more well, not to an adult, to a woman, because you never say it to another, of course, of course which I like. I know that you know, but I just I, I have heard that point being reiterated, like if it was just about making them feel better, you would do it to men and women equally. You're fucking not. You're doing it to women no, I can't.
Speaker 3:I can't even picture the scenario where one man would turn to another and say you should, I'll it's when you two hang out and it's a joke.
Speaker 4:That's what happens. That is literally the only time I probably have said that to coach at some point.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean a hundred percent. Yeah, um, it's okay as it's not offensive. As long as you say it in gary cole's voice, as bill lumberg in office, then it's just, it's just good, clean, um, what? So we have nobody bitch and they back off and sort of reset. And now you get a new tactic, which is the I like to call the El Toro tactic. Boss, what is happening here?
Speaker 4:Reggie is running full steam at Wayne as much as he can. He's bent over a little bit. It is trying to be a football tackle, but of course Wayne just rushes him off to the side and then he slams into the wall.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like a bullfighter kind of move. Reggie hits the wall with his head, which is fine, because he doesn't really need it.
Speaker 3:Right, I was thinking. I was like is the wall okay?
Speaker 4:Yes, yeah. That is 100% absolute drywall. There is no chance that that is plaster or anything stronger. You should see cracks. The only possibility is that it might be actual blocks with just a little bit of drywall over it. It would be this construction.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he gets dazed, though he takes a shot. He takes a shot from the wall, hitting his head I'm sorry, officer, the tree jumped out in front of my car. He smashes into the wall with his head and then he's a little dazed which is rare for Reggie, because he can take a hit and he sort of pivots and he's in the locked doorway of a private room. We have an indicator, a touchpad, like an analog touchpad, on the wall with a beautifully printed sign, laminated sign that says passcodes change monthly. So it must be a room of some import. We don't know what it is, but it's a locked room in the precinct. Uh, reggie is sort of uh dizzy and mildly flailing in the doorway, uh, to which uh wayne takes advantage of of this position by doing what coach well, now it's wayne's turn to come running up, but rather than go for the tackle, he goes full-on.
Speaker 3:Jimmy Snuka, for those of you who know about such things, wwf. That's how old I am Damn. Yeah, I'm old baby. That's not WWE, that's WWF. That's not WWE, that's WWF. And yeah, he goes two feet running, start into chest and sends him through the private doorway.
Speaker 2:Which blasts the door open with Reggie's body.
Speaker 3:With Reggie, like that's how the room ends up open and we'll go from here. But that passcode sign and the private sign there's so much going on there and they they do this in other places throughout the series that you take it all in but you don't have time to process it in real time and it seems like, oh yeah, there's just like office shit around and then it matters, and I just want to respect the amount of work and care and attention to detail that we had that perfect shot that made us see those things in the midst of a fight, so that the rest of this made sense.
Speaker 3:It was really good.
Speaker 2:Absolutely amazing. And, boss, when Wayne does this double footed sort of flying chest kick, it's a full extension and he's at chest height, so what happens to him when he lands?
Speaker 4:Oh, so he hurts his back, which I want to. As much as I love this entire fight scene, I need to acknowledge that the fact that Reggie gets up before Wayne, even though Reggie was the one that got kicked in the chest by a 16-year-old adult, 16-year-old kid I mean Jesus, 16-year-old kid with his full body weight, kicking Reggie in his chest.
Speaker 2:Those are your hormones talking right now, I know, I know.
Speaker 4:This is why I didn't want to get squicked out.
Speaker 3:He's getting a little older with every punch. No, no, I can't want to get squicked out.
Speaker 4:He's getting a little older. Whatever punch, no, no, I can't do that, can't, can't, let that happen.
Speaker 2:So target destiny no no no, we're not doing that.
Speaker 4:That's, that's Maxim from the early two thousands and that's that's a bad, bad thing. No, but, but Reggie, you, you know, getting kicked in the chest and then also all of his impact on the door, welcome to Wrexham. Is back for season three and in one of the earlier episodes, in a preseason like expedition game, their star, paul Mullins, super Paul Mullins, it's just checked poorly, like it's just a bad tackle, and the guy from the other team like it full shoulder into his chest, into paul's ribs, and he goes down. He's cracked like two or three ribs, his lips are blue, he can't get a breath, he can't get up. Like that is what it looks like in real life when people slam their bodies into each other at high speeds. This, this being Hollywood, reggie recovers from getting kicked by Wayne and getting hit by the door before Wayne is like, oh God, that really got my lumbar, I need to stand up. So it's a great shot. It's just not super realistic.
Speaker 2:You need to. Well, I mean you're not factoring in the fact you're not factoring in, boss, just to mansplain a little. Sure that Reggie had the comfort of a security door.
Speaker 4:Yeah, no, no no. I think I mentioned the door about two or three times.
Speaker 2:Oh, you did.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I believe I said I was letting you talk, you know what.
Speaker 5:And then I figured I would just reiterate. I thought when.
Speaker 4:I said that he was sandwiched in between the feet and the door. You would pay attention, because everybody knows women are very good at bringing sandwiches. I thought that would be your cue.
Speaker 3:You know what? Snap to attention, listen, coach. Again, you can yell at me all you like, but easy to look.
Speaker 2:That was good wordplay.
Speaker 3:No, no, that was good wordplay no, that was good sandwich thing, come on, no, no, come on, brother I am I doff my cap? That was quality shit. I enjoyed that quality shit that's it.
Speaker 2:That's it. That reference, that's what would perk me up as a man. Is the woman bringing the sandwich? I thought Is the sandwich? Yeah, no, that's it. Good shit, good shit, boss. Okay. So Reggie does get up first and he makes it to Wayne as Wayne is sort of leaning up trying to get out. Trying to get up, wayne is at a 45-degree angle, resting on his right or pushing up extended right. When, when reggie gets to him and coach, what does he do?
Speaker 3:he nails him. I mean a punch from all the way up, I mean gravity, his weight, the force of the punch. I mean it's all. I mean he nails wayne and then grabs him to finish him.
Speaker 2:There's a ever see a very hyper average movie called Heartbreak Ridge starring Clint Eastwood.
Speaker 3:Either one of you I feel like I like you, like you know what I mean Like some movie of like on HBO. Yeah, I guess it is.
Speaker 2:It is one of those movies that is just not that great that I love for some reason. I've just always enjoyed it whenever I see it. On the premise is that Gunnery Sergeant Marine. Gunnery Sergeant, played by Laniece Wood, is given, given charge like I don't know. He's kind of a fucker. He's the most decorated soldier enlisted man in the Marines, something along those lines. He's seen battle stars but he keeps fucking up or getting into fights or something I forget. It's always for a Wayne-like reason. It's always like some locals picked on a Marine and he beat up everybody in the local bar and then they had to ship another bait so they put him in to punish him, put him in charge of a fuck up. You know tune of fuck ups or whatever recon marines that are literally not showing up and not doing anything.
Speaker 2:It's like a joke, how. It's like preposterous whole thing. The premise is ridiculous. But there's a point where they listen to him for a couple. It's like preposterous whole thing. The premise is ridiculous, um and but there's a point where they listen to him for a couple of days because they know that they have this one, uh, soldier, this one Marine that's in the brig and he's going to come out and he's going to beat up the gunny when he gets out and they call him the sweet. Sweet is seven feet tall, all muscle, and so when Clint Eastwood's gunnery sergeant says, alright, everyone line up, for how come you're not at Reveille or how come you're not lined up to run or whatever they're like, we're not listening to you anymore, because we got Swede and they go Swede, swede, swede.
Speaker 3:And out comes the behemoth and he says like I'm gonna rip off your head and shit down your throat or something fucking amazing. Yes, okay, I have. Yes, yeah, right, I do remember.
Speaker 2:I can't believe I know that line. I did not know that I knew that line, but I'm pretty sure that's it.
Speaker 3:If not that one. I know that line, though.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying it's like, really, it's a real 80s kind of you know ridiculous, of, you know ridiculous, idiotic kind of thing. And then clint eastwood uh, bends off a couple punches, manages to get the upper hand. It's very quick and orderly, uh, kramagra style, sort of dissembling of another human. Um, he gets to the point where he twists the swede's fingers and wrist into position where the guy has to go to a knee. And then he keeps twisting and he's like, look at me, he's holding the arm with his left hand and breaking, like, pushing the Swede's arm to the point of fracture. And he's like, lift your chin up a little bit more. And then he just buries him One punch and knocks him out, and that punch is the exact same angle as this punch. Wow, you know what I mean. Like I just remember it because it's like, oh, the guy was down that low. You know what I mean. It's like you can get even gravity's helping.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because you're punching down. It's all there. Yeah, no, it's all there.
Speaker 2:And still that knocked out the Swede who was seven feet tall, I'm guessing ballpark six, six, six, eight, 385 pounds, you know, just a monster, pure muscle. And Reggie hits Wayne that hard and and Wayne is is still completely, completely fine, like he's. He's messed up, but he didn't get knocked. So now Reggie picks him up and throws him against the wall and then this is this is a pretty key thing that I did not see coming as a, as a sort of a move um, reggie drops what looks like a, um, just looks like a container, like a metal cabinet.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, you people have never worked an office job a day in your life. It's a fucking filing cabinet.
Speaker 2:That's where you put the papers that we no longer need but it's not a drawer filing cabinet, boss, it's not like so. You have filing cabinets that are the vertical filing cabinets and then you have the what do they call? The lateral file cabinets that are the long way one right that you have filing cabinets that are the vertical filing cabinets, and then you have the what do they call it? The lateral file cabinets that are the long way one right that you have in fancy or all right, and this is not a. This is neither. This is the actual storage container. If you look at it, you see it, and there's no drawers to it.
Speaker 4:No, but you open those doors up and there are shelves. You put files in there.
Speaker 3:Yeah, there's shelves.
Speaker 4:Okay, I got you and there are shelves. You put files in there. Yeah, there's shelves, it is storage, but that's the basic size.
Speaker 2:If people need to picture it. That's the lateral file cabinet right there in this shot.
Speaker 4:They've got office supplies and shit.
Speaker 2:Usually they're pretty light. Usually these things are pretty light.
Speaker 3:Not when the shit's in them. Not when the shit's in them.
Speaker 2:I want that t-shirt now. That's the key, that's the whole. Thing coach Whether or not it's got shit in it yeah.
Speaker 2:God, I love this podcast. It's just shits in. Yeah, god, I love this podcast, it's just. It's just. It's just what changes everything. This is what changes everything. Now you're right. Under normal circumstances I think he can move that cabinet. I remember them being, you know, sort of a thin grade aluminum, not that heavy, but yes, when, when they are loaded, and for the purposes of this scene, that thing must be full of lead, because when it lands on wayne it, it hurts him, right, and it takes a toll and he cannot move yeah, no, he is pinned down, and I was.
Speaker 3:I will say and you know we talk about the imagination and the creativity in this fight, choreography and the scene in general and not only didn't I see that coming, but when it landed on him I really did have the feeling you're going to want to give somebody in a scene like this which was like, oh God, no, wade's going to get it, like I was like, oh my god, does this end with way getting shot, like what's happening no, you, you can't, you cannot have it.
Speaker 2:And yet, to be a good filmmaker, to be a good uh, I have to do a director and writer and storyteller. We have to believe that he might yeah, no, I, I.
Speaker 3:That moment I was like how he's, he's gonna lose. Yeah, I was like how creative are these people? Because, oh my god, like he is real, like a literal bind reggie is actually just kind of worn out from the whole thing.
Speaker 2:He's breathing heavy and he's got a gash over his left eye. That's that's bleeding. Again, my apologies to all the Ted Lasso fans that followed us to this show. I'm very sorry for the amount of of lacerations that we're bringing you on a daily basis, but it really does help.
Speaker 3:You're welcome.
Speaker 4:That was a payback for the sandwich thing. You get one bad one good.
Speaker 3:I wish everyone could have seen the look of recognition that morphed into disappointment on both their faces. They were both like come on, man, Come on.
Speaker 2:Just made. The shit is, in it point of view, all right. So yeah, reggie's got it, and he's got half of his face. The right side of his face is all blood. And he turns to look inside the now open security door and what does he see, boss?
Speaker 4:All of the shotgun.
Speaker 3:This is the gun room. This is the is the armory which it makes sense it was. It was the private room. It had code. The code is, uh, changed every month, so somebody wanted to make sure we didn't have people coming going out of this room, so you told so, for me at least. When he turns and sees that, I buy it. And I think we've all watched the movie where we're like, oh really, there was a knife right there, how great. But that's not the feeling here at all. I bought this.
Speaker 2:Now, luckily for us, it's primarily stock style. They're not riot style shotguns, they have stocks. Stock style. They're not riot style shotguns, they have stocks. I can't tell what gauge they are, but they it would be cool if I could on sight. I wish I had that skill set. I don't. But there are shotguns. And then there's also a what looks like a old school AK 47 without the clip. The reason doesn't look as noticeable. What looks like a old school AK-47 without the clip. The reason it doesn't look as noticeable? Pretty sure that's an AK. And luckily they're in a gun cabinet which is sealed and locked. Isn't that right, boss, or am I?
Speaker 4:Oh no, no, this is Florida.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're in a gun cabinet, but it's wide open because all the officers ran out. Oh, that's right, because right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they're in a gun cabinet, but it's wide open because all the officers ran out.
Speaker 4:Oh, that's right, because right, yeah, obviously they didn't need their guns to take care of the mountain lion. That's fine.
Speaker 2:Or puma, or kangaroo.
Speaker 4:No wait, Mountain lions and pumas are the same thing.
Speaker 2:Are, they, are they.
Speaker 4:Yes. Mountain lions are my favorite animal.
Speaker 2:We Are they. Yes, mountain lions are my favorite animal. We are. What is happening today? Tell me about turtles. Turtles are fine. Turtles are fine. Let me tell you about turtles. They're fine. Now to pumas.
Speaker 4:Pumas, cougars, mountain lion Same animal, Three different names.
Speaker 3:Is that true?
Speaker 4:That is 100% true.
Speaker 2:At my middle age I had no idea how come hot eligible women?
Speaker 4:aren't called mountain lions or pumas well, pumas are the shoes. You can't say that a woman is a puma.
Speaker 4:It wouldn't make any sense got it I don't know about the mountain lions that. Maybe people think that that's like the proper name for a cougar so they don't want to call it that. But no, those are. Those are the. The all the same animal now, mountain lions and bobcats, not the same. We can get into that on my other podcast, where I just review zoo books because I have a lot of friends as a child, if you think I will not do that. The episode, the issue with elephants, and they show you all the things that an elephant eats in the year Fucking incredible, one of the best all time.
Speaker 2:So we do a thing where, um, where we have a very special episode, and those come from, um, from yours truly. When I say you know, I think this deserves a little more of a deep dive, and sometimes it's something I'm into. I asked coach to do one when we talked about the rap battle between.
Speaker 2:Pendrick and Drake. But we still need a follow up on that coach and I've been asking boss to do one as well, because I said you know, listen, I don't want the perception to be oh, the men on the podcast always do very special things that they're interested in and we're not listening to the woman's perspective on the podcast. I want to know what you're into, boss, and I want to know. I'd like you to lead some episodes. I'd like you to take the Jesus take the wheel kind of moment, except it would be boss take the wheel and she has said on several occasions no, thank you, I'm not into anything and I don't want to do extra work and go jump in a lake and I say, well, then the perception will be that this is very male-centric and she's like, yeah, yeah, good.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's fine. I mean, listen, I already have talked about all the things that I love.
Speaker 2:There's the zoo, books and the National and Bob's Burgers and getting really said let's do an episode on the national, make me understand, make me understand I can't you get me there you either know what or you don't, either.
Speaker 4:Matt burninger talking about how, uh, his depression is sad. But fine, like it's not, it's not see. Now I'm starting.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying. So just do it on a real episode. I don't care about it right now. I don't want to ever hear that name again.
Speaker 4:This is the only thing that it is. Either you hear somebody saying I am in the saddest, darkest, deepest place that any human has ever been or will ever be, and it feels fine. Either you get that or you don't. I know I can't. No, no, that's not true. I totally disagree.
Speaker 2:I totally disagree because people don't know it exists, boss.
Speaker 2:That's the whole thing, everybody who has ever listened I might be there with you, but how do I know? You know how many times we get emails and and and tweets and and uh messages on the boards where people say thank you, I didn't. You guys went off on some bizarre ass tangent. And now I have a whole new thing I'm interested in and I had no idea this existed. You know was? It was a huge uh realization. I'm just saying expose people to that. I like that, I love what you're and I think it's cool and it's interesting. But if you're too lazy to, do to do that.
Speaker 2:if you don't love the buttercups, the way, coach, and I do. That's fine, everyone will get that, everyone will get.
Speaker 3:Let me say, let me say, let me say, let me say this real quick because I got to get this in here, because I think it does speak to the general city where we're in beat to the general, the city where we're in. I did actually have an opportunity to check out, um, some of the nationals music and I will say I didn't realize how upset white I thought. I thought things were a little smoother for white men and it did help me to go like.
Speaker 3:I still think the world is how it is. But I get that how you feel is not how I would have thought you would have felt. I was like are white men okay, are white, men okay.
Speaker 2:No, every problem is white male rage, every single one. I'm like, wow, we're not okay.
Speaker 3:I was like this man is really going through it. Like I really felt like wow, like I hadn't really processed, like white men are not.
Speaker 2:I have said how many times listen. I've added raise better boys. Because the New York Times, two days ago there's an article about there's an epidemic of loneliness in boys, an epidemic. They are studying it. Where they go? Oh my God, they never, ever can be vulnerable. There is nowhere for them to turn in this world. We don't give them a place, it's like anyway. That's all we always think. The patriarchy only harms women, or it's like the natural thing, because it harms them the most, in my opinion.
Speaker 3:But it harms everybody oh yeah, to be sure yes, yeah, no question, but all right, but seriously, boss, you remember I did actually comment yes, like I did say, you're right you're 100 right and I, I think I do think it is.
Speaker 4:I don't know if it's so much that, uh, white men in general are not okay or that it is interesting to hear a white man express some of these things in a way that you wouldn't hear it elsewhere. I don't want to get into all this right now. This is the, this is zoo books and bob's burgers and national in my in my special episode. But um, I I have to mention again the fact that people are researching loneliness and boys doesn't mean that it happens only in boys.
Speaker 2:It means that our society is focused mostly on it happening in boys no, no, no, like, actually, no, no, hold on, I gotta push back against that. Okay, the, the big thing and the and the. The huge uh revelation out of this whole thing is that every time they express it, the prop or the, the majority of the boys that are asked or talk about say we know better than to talk about or discuss it. It's not a actual uh concern on a wide scale, because we know women still have it harder and so until we fix the woman's side of the equation, we don't, we're not, we're not able to talk about our thing appropriately. There it's like it's actually localized more in progressive boys who are, who are hesitant to mention anything're like, and I still have it easier than girls, so I should shut the fuck up, but that's not a solution either.
Speaker 5:So anyway, I don't want to go too far down that route.
Speaker 4:Yes, that's, very interesting.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'll send you the article. I'll actually post the article on the site and we can discuss it later. The site and we can, um, we can discuss it later. Um, so we have an open, uh, we have an open um gun, gun cabinet and reggie turns and says oh fuck yeah, which is just great, and wayne is.
Speaker 2:We have a shot of wayne pinned and then we cut from a pinned wayne to butthole tommy cole. Uh, extremely tight one shot of him, so tight we don't even get his whole head into the frame, not that we could, because, again, beautiful irish cranium, um, and uh couldn't even hit it, fit a fit a hat on it. Um, this puppy isn't breathing and lucky he's not doing anything about it. Uh, you know, it's Orlando says it says this is common. He's reading from the internet, assumably. And what does he say here, boss?
Speaker 4:It says. This says when a puppy isn't breathing, the mother will reject it.
Speaker 2:How's that land with Tommy Cole?
Speaker 4:Can't handle it. He's killed too many dogs in his day. Can't see another one.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no, no, no. Doggy deaths today, not here, Not now, not on my watch. Tell me what to do and what does Orlando say here, boss?
Speaker 4:It just says that the mother will bite through the amniotic sac. Now, I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want to spoil anything too much. But the next scene is beautifully played Maureen and Orlando slowly going no, no, no, no, no, don't do, don't do that, no, don't do. Oh, come on while Tommy Cole contemplates and then goes through with biting open the amniotic sac and in fact Maureen is pissed. Maureen is not happy. What are you doing?
Speaker 2:They're all yelling no, no.
Speaker 4:And it's not a fear thing from her, it is a. She says fuck you and leaves the room.
Speaker 3:She's revolted Like yeah, no, no, no, no, this isn't like oh, are you going to be okay? This is. I don't want to witness this.
Speaker 4:Yes, fuck you, I am not watching this this looks like a rat in a condom. Yes, he holds it up slowly, it really does. That is so much better than a hamburger description. Yes, yes, it does look like a rat in a condom Right.
Speaker 2:And he lifts it to his face. Really gross, maureen flees. She goes fuck you and flees to the back of the room. Orlando is going like explain, coach, explain. You know what this one might have to be.
Speaker 3:Let's just talk though, because this scene is unbelievably funny. For what is it's all so crazy? But I was cracking up through the the lucky baby, you know like I just thought this was like hilarious. I thought that tommy cole is so committed to like not on my watch, like I was like this is his true character, like at his heart. He's like if it means I have to do the most disgusting thing anyone here can imagine, I will do that to try to save one puppy.
Speaker 2:My favorite part about this is yes, coach, I love that First of all. This is superhero shit right here. This is a superhero. That's my quarterback, that's my principal, right there. Love that, first of all. This is superhero shit right here. This is a superhero. This is that's my quarterback.
Speaker 2:That's my principle, right right right that's my principle right yeah I stand up and I smack, I hit my chest for this man, knowing that the the galactic level of stupidity for him to consider biting when he is in possession of opposable thumbs. And dogs are not. Dogs bite it because that's the only mechanism they have you know what's funny?
Speaker 3:I didn't even think of that. I didn't even think about that, I just was so like ah, he's like she bites it.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna bite it. He's like there's no.
Speaker 4:Why did Maureen ruin her good knives? If you're just gonna bite through this, what is the point.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's got a spatula spreader in there. I'm sure that can nick the bag a little you can find scissors.
Speaker 4:This is a household. There has to be a razor blade. It's a meth compound.
Speaker 2:I don't even know who. Do you think maureen fought to get scissors? All right, listen to the listen. Just listen to the level of nose.
Speaker 1:This is so beautiful breathing and lucky he's not doing anything about it. He says this is common. Listen, when the puppy isn't healthy, the mother will reject it. No, no, no, no, no, no doggy deaths today, not here, not now, not on my. Tell me what to do.
Speaker 3:It just says the mother would bite through the amniotic sack.
Speaker 4:Oh shit, what no? What are you doing, no? No, no, fuck you, fuck you.
Speaker 3:No, fuck, no, no, no Stop.
Speaker 4:That shit's nasty. Wait, wait, wait. Can we stop for a second, can we?
Speaker 3:stop for a second. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry that shit's nasty man that shit's nasty man.
Speaker 3:But, maureen, what you can't hear is that Maureen runs over to a plastic jug of maybe it's vodka, maybe it's whatever it is the cheap ass liquor that, like, I've thankfully not consumed in decades, and she just grabs the bottle and starts like taking the top off. She's like it is. She's like we are outside of my window now of what I can handle and I'm going to need to drink, not a drink, because a drink would be one alcoholic beverage. Like she is. Like I'm going to need to drink Not a drink, because a drink would be one alcoholic beverage Like she is. Like I'm going to start pouring this and drinking it and pouring it some more until this bottle is empty, like that's the energy Before he gets the.
Speaker 3:No, no. She's like oh yeah, it's going down, yeah, oh stop, oh shit, unbelievable stop, oh, oh oh shit. So for those of you who aren't clear, from both Orlando screaming like lunatics, um the collective Orlando in unison yeah, he did bite through it and you see a splash Like it's Ugh.
Speaker 4:It pops. It is a puppy gusher. It is not acceptable in any way, shape or form.
Speaker 3:It is pretty vile. It is pretty vile, so amazing. I mean, when you think about it in that moment. This whole trip is the biting of that amniotic sac. Like what do you mean? You're gonna drive down to florida for one of your students. Like you know, normal principal behavior is like you've left the building, like you're out of the building. So best of luck to you. I hope you're fine, but my work's done. So Tommy Cole has shown a time and again he's going to go as far as he possibly can for all the post.
Speaker 2:Absolutely right, coach. This is the natural through line. This is the apex of that trajectory, of that journey that he started when he decided I'm not a regular person and the polarization that this the initial, the inciting event of Wayne taking Dell with him polarized people so much that it made everybody step out of their regular status. It made Geller go to the point of being a super cop. It made Tommy Cole transcend what a principal is supposed to be. It made Bobby Lucchetti go far past what your normal dad would do as far as like tracking and that sort of thing.
Speaker 2:So everybody, in one way or another, because of this, has gone to ridiculous lengths, more than you would think, with their basic designation, and it's not surprising that Tommy Cole is not going to let another dog. You know, a day no pigs would die for Tommy. That's, that's what's happening Now. We cut to back to the station Wayne. We are, we show him trapped under the cabinet. He's he's really pushing to try to figure out how to get out. It's on his right shoulder, he's pushing with his left hand, but he cannot get out from this thing. And what does Reggie say here, coach?
Speaker 3:Give me one second. Motherfucker Just looking for some fucking bullets. Which very polite of him. To say you know, hey, I don't mean to be rude and make you wait, but I'm having a little trouble finding the bullets I'm going to use to kill you. Wait a moment.
Speaker 2:It's like Kevin Klein in Fish Called Wanda.
Speaker 3:Yes, Anyway, let's not do that. No, that's not what I was saying. Kick hands, kill me. Oh my god, so fucked up.
Speaker 2:Won the Oscar for a comedic role. It's the best, oh my god, so good. I jumped, I jumped, um, I jumped as high as wayne's double foot kick in my living room when I saw him win. Anyway, we hear bullets clattering and um, uh, what do we hear?
Speaker 3:uh, reggie say coach whoo, here we go like. I'm like at this point I am thinking, are they gonna do it? I really was like oh my god, just what does he do here, coach? He just shoots in that storage room just to, like you know, have a little fun before he heads out, get warmed up.
Speaker 2:The establishing shot is from outside the room. Yeah, so you just see the flash. You can't see, reggie, yeah we just see the flash of gunfire. And what does he say to Wayne?
Speaker 3:You're fucked now, motherfucker, which is a very specific phrase to use, given the dynamic between them and all the who's sucking on the mama's titty and all that stuff. Motherfucker in this fight is a very specific insult.
Speaker 2:Now he comes out. You're absolutely right, coach. He comes out Now. We see the telltale banana clip there. We know what he's holding. Generally, this is the AK-47, the preferred weapon of our enemy Makes a distinctive sound when fired. I also think that might be from Heartbreak Ridge. God, I like it more than I thought. Wow, that's a lot. Anyway, god help me. Reggie says what he's in. A beauty shot Comes out, absolutely gorgeous, chain flashing, and he's got this weapon in the, in the, in the crook of his elbow, uh, facing northward. And what does he say?
Speaker 3:uh, coach this is some fucking call of duty shit right here now. What I like about that particular line? I mean we talk about violent video games and violent, you know, like all that stuff, but also that it becomes like it just sort of like seeps in, like it becomes a part of it. Right, you just play it and then like, because when he said this I'm Call of Duty shit, I was like, yeah, you know, I mean like, and I don't even play video games, but it is something about how these things are like seep into the culture and just become a part of it. Like when you say this is some Call of Duty shit, I knew what that meant. I also excuse me, said, thought to myself killing somebody doesn't have what I would regard as the appropriate weight for you. I'm not saying no one should ever kill, but I am saying that if you have a video game mentality about the fact that you're about to kill somebody, that's scary and problematic in its own specific way, beyond the fact that somebody is about to kill you.
Speaker 2:I don't know if I get your point and as a gamer, I bristle. No, no, no, yeahistle, I'm curious to get.
Speaker 3:I don't play games like that. I haven't played since the early grand.
Speaker 2:No, I don't play games. Look at me. Do I look like I'm playing a game? I'm not playing a game.
Speaker 4:Almost constantly.
Speaker 2:I can just write dialogue for coach.
Speaker 3:I've been around him so many times when he's just that's the kind of shit I would say when I'm pissed. It would say for sure I look like I'm playing a game.
Speaker 2:I just we've hung out way too long, coach, god damn. But yes, no, I know what you're saying. Like you can't, the desensitization that I think you're alluding to is not copacetic in this moment for Wayne at all.
Speaker 3:It's unfortunate, very unfortunate situation. I know what I'm getting myself for Bad Motherfucker's Day.
Speaker 2:As he squares up above Wayne, he says that, which is not for nothing. I think Boss' favorite holiday is Bad Motherfucker's Day, right up there with Easter and Uncle's Day. Oh, uncle's Day, right, we have Uncle's Day.
Speaker 4:No, I don't. No man, my uncles suck Absolutely. I'm not celebrating Uncle's Day. My uncles are lame. Well, no, Actually a couple of them are fine. Favorite holiday Not April Fool's, Not that.
Speaker 3:Yes, favorite holiday not april fools, not that. Yes, we have established that and I respect it.
Speaker 4:I respect it I respect it, I respect your clarity and I, and I'm swayed by your argument, frankly thanksgiving. Thanksgiving is absolutely my favorite. All you do is eat. You don't have to worry about presents, you just sit around and eat good food you, me same you me same.
Speaker 5:It's the best it is the best, stuffing is fucking amazing.
Speaker 4:I don't understand why I don't eat it all the time. It doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2:Are you guys done? Alright, let me know, it's fine, it's fine. Want to talk about? Want to do like twinsies before we? All right, let me know, and it's fine, it's fine. Want to talk about? Do you want to do like twin C's? Before we do a little pinky pinky lock.
Speaker 4:No, no, I think we're good. Yeah, no, we're good until the next. Yeah, until next week.
Speaker 2:We're good. I know what I'm getting myself a bad motherfucker state. I just love that. That is in his ethos. I'm just trying to think what he was alluding to. What was he referencing that he changed? What holiday could he be? Honestly, I'm asking no, no, I understand why you're asking Is that what him and Clint call Christmas? Honestly what is this.
Speaker 3:It's completely insane. It's an insane thing to say it is now. Oh, now there are movie references here, so I'm gonna point something out. For an entirely different reason. I found myself thinking of the ezekiel 25 17 speech in pulp fiction. I'm serious, actually, and his wallet does say bad motherfucker, and that is a very. That just jumped into my head. So I don't know, as we're making these movie references, if maybe there's a little something there on that level, that's a great pull.
Speaker 2:I love that. That's a deep cut.
Speaker 4:I'll mention I met a guy, a friend of a friend, at a party one time. The only reason I remember him is because he said something about how he was an accountant. And somebody made a joke because obviously accountants are to be ridiculed and fined with that. But then he said how many CPAs do you know that have a bad motherfucker belt buckle? And his belt buckle did in fact say bad motherfucker. And I got to say only you and my grandfather, and I think we became pretty good friends that night. I don't know who he is now and I don't remember him, but it was all. It was all a pretty, pretty fun night yeah, great you pulled that.
Speaker 2:You just pulled that out of the ether.
Speaker 4:That's pretty damn good my grandfather was in fact a cpa. I don't believe he had a badass Motherfucker belt buckle. I wouldn't be willing to take any bets on that. But I do know he had a CPA.
Speaker 2:Pretty great, pretty great boss. Well, you know, if he were alive, you would know what to get him for bad motherfuckers.
Speaker 4:If he were alive, he would be way too old, like just way too old.
Speaker 2:Way too old to wear belt buckles.
Speaker 4:To be alive To be alive. Got it yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay, all right, putting arbitrary rules on people, it's fine, that's fine. Wayne is trying to get up and Reggie is aiming, like aiming Doesn't know how to aim. First of all, I'll tell you that, as someone who has discharged firearms before One of my, I remember Coach, coach do you? Remember the range for the bachelor party we were on where we went trap shooting. Remember who won that competition.
Speaker 3:I'm pretty confident, based on your question, that it was you. It was horrible that day. I remember specifically I don't know if it was the hangover or what, but I was like I couldn't hit the broadside of fucking Arlington.
Speaker 2:I don't know, had you shot a shotgun before that?
Speaker 3:Not a shotgun. Well, no, Actually that's not true.
Speaker 2:Once before I shot had you ever got in a hood shootout where you turned your automatic pistol sideways?
Speaker 3:Yeah, that was more my training. No, I actually have done it. You did any shit like that, but that's funny.
Speaker 2:No, that's like the generic training. Yeah, that's how they break it up along racial lines. I mean listen, when you put your face to the thing, you look down the sights.
Speaker 3:Reggie is just some weird eyeballing this bizarre Also though doesn't it feel a bit like he's playing with his food? I also took that from this moment. No question Right, I mean he's like I want you to feel me choosing the exact spot where I'm going to kill you.
Speaker 2:Right, he's an orca. Right as we've as we've learned. He's back, that's right, yes.
Speaker 4:He's it feels like he's going to do one of those shots where it's just wide in order to scare Wayne, Like he's going to he might not even know if he wants to shoot him, but he knows he wants to make him think that he will shoot yes when he discharged the weapon in the out of sight in the uh armory room, wayne flipped the fuck out.
Speaker 2:Wait. We were on wayne, seeing him try to like holy fuck. I gotta get like like wait a few times that wayne can be a tough, a tough son of a gun, but when someone lights an acetylene torch near his face or someone pulls out an AK-47, he at least knows that his mortality is in question and he will try to get up. Even then, he could not even wiggle one inch out of that from under that lead-based kryptonite cabinet. So Reggie is looking down at Wayne above him. Above him he's about to shoot. He's got this fantastic. I almost want to like get a poster of this shot on my wall with that face. What a beautiful shot. Uh, he, he is like grinning. It's like.
Speaker 4:I don't think his face get any happier it is um the animated version batman show version of the Joker with his face.
Speaker 2:Yes, that's who he is yes when you see a, when you see a preposterous the the the width of the smile is. So it's Cheshire caddy where you're like. Like you know, you've won. Yeah, you know it's all. It's all over but the crying at this point and he's loving every second of it in true bad guy fashion. He's a fantastic bad guy, god, and right as he's about to pull the trigger, what the hell happened? What happens here, boss?
Speaker 4:all of a sudden, out of nowhere, an arm around him well, first he gets clubbed first he gets all right. Let me back it up right as he's about to hit he gets clubbed.
Speaker 4:It's so fast you can't even see what's actually happening. But he sort of crumples and then around his neck, uh, you see somebody grab him and start strangling, pulling back against a deck, against a desk, I should say. And it's fucking Del, fucking Del, showing up right when she needs to and strangling the shit out of Reggie and I can't tell that's what I was trying to figure out.
Speaker 3:I couldn't figure out what it is, but it looks like it that actually makes the most sense, because I was like, well then, what did she hit him?
Speaker 2:with but, the nunchucks would make sense If she hit him and then straight away, yeah, yeah, yeah. Now listen, let's do a little deep dive on that. Where were the nunchucks? Remember Wayne thought someone stole his nunchucks and he went to Tommy Cole to say someone stole my nunchuck. Oh, so D's had them the whole time. No, orlando had them. And now Orlando had them. Remember Orlando had the nunchucks. Remember they took out the stuff out of Wayne's locker and Orlando said I got it.
Speaker 4:Oh shit, I forgot about that.
Speaker 2:Yes, so until Orlando and Del hooked up. Del couldn't get it Very, very good. Great call? I feel like so. If this was a video game, I would have had an achievement on the screen that said less than 1.01% of viewers.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, I think that's pretty quality. Nobody caught that yeah.
Speaker 2:So now she strangles Reggie to the point where he passes out. She twists those suckers he can't get her off him and she actually takes out reggie and she goes right for, uh, we see him, he's not moving on the ground. Uh, she drops the nunchucks and she goes right to wayne and she is pushing with all her might to get the shelf off and he's pushing to help her. And then, oh my god, disney shot the absolute beauty of the physical acting of um francesco antonio, who plays reggie. Listen, just look at how his body moves.
Speaker 3:It unfurls like ursula the sea witch yeah, I mean, that's actually a perfect description of that. That's, that's exactly that, yep I was.
Speaker 4:I was thinking sort of a mike myers coming off out of wherever people thought that he had died, but yes, ursula is very good look at the.
Speaker 2:Look at also the super subtle camera move. So we're on dell right, we're at her angle and Reggie rises. We slightly rise with him right and we rack focus. So notice, if you look at Del's hair, when we start her hair's in focus, every little strand of her hair right and as he pushes up, watch her go out of focus and we move to the bad guy coming up.
Speaker 3:Also moving her down in the frame frame. We can almost watch her strength, power or whatever you want to frame it as in this moment go away right, like we realize, like at this moment, like we're like oh the hero, like, oh, wow, dell, look at you, you took my and then we realize you are you in danger girl, like it's like wow, yes, you know yeah, you're in like, you're in dainty like actual, yeah, no no, no, yeah, we're not kidding around like this guy is nuts and you just choked him out, so and when he gets up, the battle is not you and wayne versus reggie, it's now dell versus reggie.
Speaker 3:Yeah, all right, that's not because he's still pinned, right yeah.
Speaker 2:That's terrifying. So he gets up and he pulls her off from behind, like that's a oof, we're not doing phrasing, sorry, yikes Pulls her off from behind. Wow, even I heard it.
Speaker 4:I'm trying to envision how that would even happen. That's some Kama Sutra level shit that I have not considered and I don't know how physically it would happen.
Speaker 2:Wow, boss isn't even on an edible in Mary Poppins Jr. He reaches forward, grabs her shoulder and pulls back, and then he squares her up.
Speaker 3:Oh God, can I throw one thing in quickly? Yeah, wayne, it's futile. I mean, he's still stuck, but wayne reaches. He just reaches in the direction of like he like even in this moment he's like, not like he is going to give. If he has a dying breath, that's about to happen, it will be expended trying to get to Del and I think it really matters.
Speaker 2:He's trying to like force choke Reggie.
Speaker 3:Right, right. He's like no way he's going to reach it, but he's just like ah, you know it's powerful.
Speaker 2:And we're not going to fetishize the violence against women, but this is a natural sort of result of her getting into the battle. Here. Reggie grabs her and pins her against the wall and has his hands wrapped around her throat. It's like real, we get the, we get the shot of um, it's such a again, it's a gift, uh, because it's such a must-have.
Speaker 2:I think about bruce willis in the fifth element. He meets ruby rod, and ruby rod, played by chris tucker, is driving him crazy and he's like doctor, pulls him aside, grabs him by the throat, pins him against the wall and the next shot is, you see, like, oh, his feet are dang. I know there's schwarzenegger movies, do it. I know it's just a you know camera, james cameron, it's all of these sort of just like a very understandable taxonomy of shot sequence where you are giving your audience the perspective of what's actually happening. So dell's feet are, are sort of looking for purchase, the toes of her high tops are, are trying to scrape the floor to try to get some leverage so that she can release the pressure on her throat. Uh, reggie says you're pretty, aren't you? And then he grabs her and brings her down to the um, the desk and he's choking her now on the desk she looks scared.
Speaker 2:Ciara, bravo, is an amazing actor. She's looking up at him. She's trying to. The I will pull your hands off me is an is a no-go, unless you can get a finger and snap it. Uh, for those people who are in that situation, uh, do anything. You can Bite, kick. All the rules are off. And Reggie decides to a la Syndrome in the Incredibles. Now he starts the monologue in the third person. No less. What does it say here, boss? It?
Speaker 4:says, you never should have fucked with reggie never should have fucked reggie which I always want to just ask them who. You don't mean you funny because you would say me, you never should have fucked with me. So who is this reggie you're referring to?
Speaker 2:wow, that is very funny. I would love to have a t-shirt. I might just make this it's hard because when you have fucked, it's hard to wear a shirt that has a vanity on it for me anyway, I don't love that, but yeah, I wouldn't mind a shirt where, with that beauty shot of reggie when he first walks in and then in front in floating letters, you never should have fucked reggie.
Speaker 2:It's. He's such a. It's a character I love so much. It's. I cannot understand how he made this character so it's so amazing. Anyway, uh, reggie is I'm saying this as he's hurting hurting character, can be great, even if you don't like him.
Speaker 4:You wouldn't be.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no for sure and we don't love violence against women, uh, specifically. But um, he's choking dell here and and they're looking at each other. This is heartbreaking, great filming I mean this moment where Wayne is stuck staring at Del cannot get out from under the thing. Del is stuck staring at Wayne as her breath is coming out of her. Reggie says what boss? Fucking dead now bitch Right. And she's fighting. Wayne is grunting, she's gagging, he's grunting. We're cross-cutting between the two of them and then we get an insert of what here. Boss Wayne sees something on the floor.
Speaker 4:His hammer. It's too bad. It's not Mjolnuller. That would be much easier in this situation, but unfortunately it is across the floor, so he's going to need to figure out how to get to it all he'd have to do is summon it right and he and it would.
Speaker 2:There, it would be um, but he can't do that. It's still out of reach, though, um. So what does he do?
Speaker 4:I don't know. Next thing we see is Reggie still choking Del and as she is coughing.
Speaker 2:She says something, though right she's trying to.
Speaker 4:She's trying to get something out. And finally Reggie says what are you trying to say? What was that? And when he lets up just enough so that she could get the words out, he says Suck on Wayne's hammer, you hillbilly motherfucker.
Speaker 2:That's what she says, that's what she was trying to say yeah, and he's like what?
Speaker 4:And he turns face first as get a shot, not the way you turn.
Speaker 2:No Face, first, totally unguarded, as Wayne comes up and we get the most stylized shot of all, like like, uh, you know, in a like sort of um we had the mobeta blues trumpet teeth shot and we get now this sort of matching stylized thing where Wayne hits Reggie and his head spins around and his grill, his golden grill, comes out of his mouth and flies.
Speaker 3:I feel like that might've been a shout out of some sort too, because it's obvious it to my eye that that was like digitally done. You know what I mean, like making it whatever Right, and I feel like there was.
Speaker 3:I don't know, I mean like making it whatever right, and I feel like there was. I don't know where it's from, but it made me go. I have seen that shot. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. So I also loved like now, watching it. I love that it worked perfectly that his right arm, that Wayne's right arm, was trapped. Um, because if you're gonna lose use of an arm to use, you lose the use of your dominant arm. It's like the worst, the worst, the worst. And he does this with his left hand, like whatever he's got left that he's going to be able to, he will use it to save.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly right. And then Del gets up. She says you alright. He says you alright to her. She says I'm fine, reggie's out of the out of pocket, he's out cold, it's over. By the way, he's not getting back up in this moment. We're not going to get a third thing of Resi rising the hammer and a hammer in the face. Yikes, like you do. And then, as they're checking in on each other, what happens here with Del? She starts gagging. Why, coach?
Speaker 3:She goes, oh fuck, and we look down at Wayne's arm and not only is it broken, but it is the bone has gone through the skin, so like that's like a compound fracture. It is a compound fracture and Del hilariously, but also you get it is just in no way able to contain that. This is just fucking disgusting. And he's like your elbows out of your arm skin. It really is a vile even.
Speaker 2:Wayne is stunned by it. When he looks down he's in adrenaline mode, but he didn't even realize. Yeah, he recoils at the sight of his own arm down.
Speaker 3:He's in adrenaline mode, but he didn't even realize. Yeah, he recoils at the sight of his own arm.
Speaker 2:She's retching, she's oh my god, this is fucking disgusting. He's saying I'm fine, I'm fine, she's like we gotta get out of here. He says the keys are in his jacket pocket. She goes down to Reggie, pulls the keys out I got him here, alright, come on, come on, watch. Pulls the keys out. I got him here, all right, come on, come on, watch. His feet. And wayne is like he is. He can. She's got a. He's got to get his arm around her just to get out of here. He's, he is stumbling and she is helping him. All right, careful, careful, okay, and out they go and you got you're gonna let it run.
Speaker 3:Man, I don't want to spend a lot of time here, but is there was so one in this whole scene? But in this moment I thought this was beautiful and it's a weird thing to say, with his compound, fractured arm and bloodied face and she was just getting choked out by a guy. I mean like this is not, but I, maybe I see love everywhere. Maybe it's just who I am, but I was just like these two fucking love each other so goddamn much yeah well, even in that the the coloring was so similar, they did seem like they were pressed together so much.
Speaker 4:They could have been one big person from the back.
Speaker 3:Yeah yes, yes, and it was really anyway.
Speaker 2:I really appreciated it yeah, the big line like the, this sort of this sort of um, you know, prototypical, uh catchphrasey kind of final beat line. Was dell talking about wayne's hammer, like you know? I mean, it's like. It's not like, oh, not tell time about herself, or wayne talking about himself. It's like they are completely team and she can take um, she. She is as connected to him as Roy Kent is Keely when celebrating her getting promoted to CEO. It's like they just are. He's so happy for her. There's nothing but togetherness in that Um.
Speaker 2:She helps him into the passenger seat of the of the uh vehicle. What do we say? It was Shoot 79, trans Am. That seat of the of the uh vehicle is the. What do we say? It was shoot 79, trans am. That's right. Yes, trans am. That's parked outside. Careful, sorry, sorry, sorry. She's trying to get him. He's wincing. He is in pain. We do not see this from him. He is, he is borderline, hyperventilating from the pain. She pulls off an in-pound sticker that covers the entire windshield and she gets in the driver's seat, like you do when you're 15.
Speaker 4:And obviously know how to drive stick.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're going to go to the hospital. She says she does buckle up, good girl.
Speaker 3:Now, in defense of this moment, we have seen her pressed into driving duty before.
Speaker 4:That's fair that is very true.
Speaker 3:Right with her mom, With her mom, yeah, coming home. It didn't seem like that was the only time.
Speaker 2:I ain't going to the hospital to arrest me, Wayne says. And she says what here, Boss? What does she say in response to that?
Speaker 4:Buckle the fuck up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, buckle the fuck up. It's like when it's the family guy. Ooh, I love it when they say the title of the show and the thing.
Speaker 3:Is it?
Speaker 2:Homer. No, it's Peter. It's Peter Griffin. It's like oh yeah, there it is. He calls it out. They show the sequence of greatest hits of Peter Griffin calling out the names of shows while he's in, uh tire squeal, we can insert the tire squealing close up of the tire. Trans am uh peels out in all its glory everything good about america. Fast trans am. Open road ahead of you. And then we cut to Puppies Whining, puppies Whining. And what's happening here, coach?
Speaker 3:Looks like Lucky's doing all right. We got Tommy Cole sort of laughing, exhausted, head back against the furniture there. I did it. They're breathing, they're all alive. I did it. I mean it's just a true celebration of what he just did, like he needed this. Tommy Cole needed this moment. He needed the hope he needed to see that he could bring some life, some good into the world.
Speaker 3:Looks up and says thank you universe, which I appreciated, not just because of religion or not or whatever. I mean that's a whole other conversation, but to me that's specific. Yeah, anybody can say thank God. People say thank God about nonsense, but when you say thank you universe, you have decided that you are going to express some real appreciation for what's going on. I thought that was a great choice for what's going on. I thought that was a great choice and also, on some level, even though it's Thank you Universe for me at least I felt like it was a way of saying no, this wasn't a miracle, this was us making it happen. Somehow, thank God. Sometimes can feel a bit like whew, that was lucky. I'm like no, it wasn't lucky, I just bit into an amniotic, so it wasn't lucky.
Speaker 2:We did it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, god didn't hit the three pointer. But sometimes people will say, oh, you know, thank you God, or whatever, and it has that some people it has the feeling of like sort of defraying their responsibility or placing you know locus of the action on you know a serial being, whereas we saw that it was Tommy Cole's agency. Actually he's the one that did the sack of all this. It's crazy and thank you universe for giving me whatever. I had to dig deep to genetic encoding. I could bite it. Not exactly. Nobody else would. What does he say here, coach?
Speaker 3:I'm going to name all four of you, and so now Maurice is kind of looking over Argus Artemis Amadeus. Last one, apricot.
Speaker 2:I like that because Orlando likes food. I thought that was cool that's a little tip of the cap.
Speaker 3:I hadn't caught that. I like that a lot. Apricot and you know, maureen's like you sure are cute Apricot, like now she's in, she's like, wow, you're right, this is beautiful. Um, I'm glad we didn't drown you, so that's nice, that's quite. That's quite a reflection that is a hundred percent what she would have done. The minute that that abiotic that would have been in the garbage headed down to the dump or she was, and so here we are. Glad we didn't drown you, but she's also.
Speaker 2:She's also helped by God knows how many shots of that Bottom. Oh yeah, bottom, tier booze that she was, yeah Right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so, and you know that shows up, so me too, tommy Cole says, orlando smiling. It's actually kind of like this sweet, like post, you know, wonderful, seed, whatever. And now we get a two shot so straight on of, uh, maureen and tommy cole, uh, and she explains you know, when wayne was little, if I left the house he would just stand in the front window and he would just, oh, he would just cry and slobber and bang his head against it until I came home. Yeah, even if I was gone for like four or five, four hours or five hours, he would just refuse to move. I think Wayne always knew that I was going to leave him Pause. It Incredibly powerful, but not in the way Maureen thinks.
Speaker 4:I'm like what are you recounting right now? Yeah, this is the same sort of almost wistfulness with which she talked about uh wayne getting the black eye because he was carrying around a hammer and smashing things. Um, but I know that there are some kids who have attachment phases and things are difficult and you don't. They don't want their parents to leave regardless and sometimes you need to like. These are all things that happen normally. But if your child is crying and screaming and banging his head for four or five hours when you're leaving, you need to address it. Like I'm not saying that kids can't cry a little bit when their parents leave. That is normal. You cry for a little bit and then it's okay. It is the fact that she decided this is something I don't need to address.
Speaker 3:That is so fucked up well also, I mean yes, and I would add that all these years later, given how things played out, that you're trying to chuckle it away. Like you you know me, I was always leaving them I'm like um ma'am, yeah, what is happening right now, like that's none of what you just said is nice or good or something to be chuckled about.
Speaker 4:No, these are, these are not the story. There are plenty of things that, like in retrospect, this was not as big of an issue as we made it out to be at the time.
Speaker 3:But this is not one of them. Yeah, no, there's for sure something else. Um so, um so, yeah, so we have more whining now. Maureen's kind of gathering herself. She's thinking he's almost feeling things. You know, you could still be something to him.
Speaker 3:Tommy cole says yeah taking the conversation where it naturally needs to go, in a. If you know we're dealing with a, you know you could still be something to him. Tommy Cole says yeah, taking the conversation where it naturally needs to go, if you know we're dealing with a healthy scenario, you know you could still be something to him. And Maureen sort of shrugs and yeah, and he nods yeah, and then Maureen leans back and she goes to kiss tommy cole and you know so I.
Speaker 2:I love it so much.
Speaker 4:He has amniotic fluid on his face visibly so and she didn't remember who he was until he was referred to as butthole tommy cole. And then she told him to get the fuck off of her property. And also, she is in the house that she lives with the man who she's been in relationship for 11 years. But what do you like? I'm not saying people don't make mistakes. I am saying, ah, this level of fucked up is something with which I am familiar in some ways, but still astounding.
Speaker 3:This is a lot, maureen. I may be reading too much here, so I'm going to offer a couple things here and then you can. I'd love to get your reaction. What I got in this moment was a combination of I am feeling feelings, and the only feelings anybody around here expresses are either unbridled rage or, uh, sexual desire. And so you know, if he doesn't have his hands, they're on my tits, right, so, like she's like, well, I kind of want to say thank you for making me feel emotions Also, I need to get this emotion stuff wrapped up, so let's have sex.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's really like that's what she's got to offer, Because another character might say can I make you some lunch?
Speaker 4:No, yeah, also Orlando is sitting at the desk, like he's at the counter.
Speaker 3:You know what You're right.
Speaker 4:Like what, and maybe it's, maybe it's all of the vodka she was just drinking, but like what did you think was gonna happen?
Speaker 3:that's when you did that and you know, and it's interesting because tommy cole who whether he really had a thing for her, whatever, it's clear that she was maureen mcn you know, like when they were in high school, and he pulls away. I mean, he doesn't think twice, he's the one with the amniotic fluid and he's the one who's like yeah his mouth is escaping his face before he can get his face away from her yes
Speaker 2:he's made it pretty clear about what his type is. Yeah, it's not.
Speaker 4:It's clear about what his type is. Yeah, it's not. It's not a blonde white lady from Florida.
Speaker 2:Yeah, unfortunately for Maureen, he says hey and pulls away. Oh, it's okay, it's my bad, shouldn't have all them Percocets.
Speaker 3:Which is hilarious because we saw her grabbing the booze, so we know she's doing pills and drinking. Oh my God, this woman. Well, Costco's not open on on sunday? What?
Speaker 2:are you supposed to do? Yeah, that's a lot of pito grigio, that went up in flame. Um, now we got a shot over the vehicle. Uh, the trans am heading. These are beauty shots, what would typically be second unit, but somehow they either got themselves a drone, um, but it's definitely a drone shot um, and uh figured out a way to to get a shot of of the vehicle on the open road beautiful, um. We got music over top and, um, you know, it has the sense of it's that thing where the music comes up because the fat lady is singing and somebody's not going to make it. Dell is nervous. Um, boss, what is this song? Do you remember? Uh, we looked it up before. Um, uh, we can, we can figure it out but it is, it has that more.
Speaker 2:Yeah, do you remember?
Speaker 4:no, I will look it up, but while we're doing that, um, uh, warren shearer played kim mile and steve pink directed the episode great, yes, let me look those up now steve pink, who wrote gross point blank and directed both of the hot tub time machine movies.
Speaker 2:So that's that's-ass writing. I'll tell you right now as a talented man.
Speaker 3:I would add to that by the way, because we talk about comedy in this episode and I think obviously the Hot Tub Time Machine of it all. But there are some funny choices that are made even in the midst of all this incredibly violent and, you know, gross yeah, no, really for real.
Speaker 2:And so Del is going fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck. She's crying at the wheel because you're not looking so good, jethro that's an Ice Pirates reference. He does not. He does not look, not looking good. She's like okay, yeah, I'm gonna say something. I love this so much. Actually, I don't want to do it because I love it so much. Coach, what is she gonna say?
Speaker 3:okay, I'm gonna say something and I've never said it to nobody but my mom and my dad, but I'm saying because I want to, because I fucking, I fucking. Don't you fucking laugh at me. Okay, don't fucking laugh at me, I'll be so fucking. Don't you fucking say it back either, which I know it was. I mean, you know where this is going. It's like the unbelievable build-up to it, right? Don't you fucking say it back either, which I know it was. I mean, you know where this is going. It's like the unbelievable build-up to it, right? Don't you fucking say it back either, because if you say it back, then I'm gonna think you're saying it because I said it and fuck that shit. Okay, like she's still holding on to it. And then you hear me and before she can say it, wayne, I fucking.
Speaker 3:And he says I love you, though, and I, that's. So. I hit me in the feels so hard. It was like a reggie kick to the feels. It was unbelievable and so beautiful and and an unbelievable emotional payoff to this unreal fucking story and relation. I, just when he said I love you, dell, I was just like you. I knew what was gonna be said. I knew wayne was gonna say it first. I knew, I knew what was going to be said. I knew Wayne was going to say it first. I knew what was happening here and still, when it happened, I just was like, oh my god, it was just absolutely gorgeous.
Speaker 4:I was going to try to do a callback and say I knew it was coming and it still gave me an erection. But that doesn't feel right for this scene. For the Khaleesi setting fire to a slaver's town, sure, but this, no. This is not acceptable.
Speaker 3:I appreciate your sense of propriety.
Speaker 2:It was, yeah, it was a beautiful moment, magical moment. Four minutes left in the entire series.
Speaker 4:Which means we've got our happy ending Also the song is called All Right Now by Angel Olsen.
Speaker 2:Thank you, thanks, boss. It has that sort of mournful dirgy kind of this is the end of the road kind of vibe, and she has a powerful reaction to him saying it. They have that moment. They look at each other and he looks up at her. But we have an anticipation of like a sort of a beautiful connection between them and instead what happens.
Speaker 4:He shouts tell. And then they get T-boned by a car, by a truck, actually by pickup. They spin out Tires are screeching Mayhem. And when they finally come to a truck, actually by a pickup, they spin out Tires are screeching Mayhem. And when they finally come to a stop, mayhem, Mayhem, yeah that is mayhem.
Speaker 2:It's a full like T-bone. No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 3:It's mayhem, it plays mayhem. That's why I came in. Oh, oh, oh, oh, got it.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, no, that's good, that's good, it's no sandwich.
Speaker 4:Should I just get a kitchen and make you a sandwich? No, no, no, that's good. You can't argue with that? No, you can't argue with that.
Speaker 2:Listen, that's it. Game, recognized game. I like it All right. So so the Trans Am is spun around like twice the. The pickup truck loses its front bumper. Um what? Kind of tire is? That. That's an avenger. Pretty cool, that's pretty cool that's pretty cool.
Speaker 3:Uh, specific choice there, given the story so the answer wasn't round no, but that's not what I was going for.
Speaker 2:Okay, also correct all right, but avenger, as the name on the tire, I thought was like wow, leave no stone yeah, right, this is, this is it, and and, oh my god, it must just be a random accident, dell wasn't paying attention, right. And then you realize somebody must have clocked the vehicle because, because they're fuzzy we're at wayne's pov, in the passenger seat, and we see two bodies, like two human sort of figures in very blurry um form, approaching uh dell side of the of the vehicle, ostensibly to say hey, you guys, okay, um. And then they come into focus. And who is it?
Speaker 4:teddy, teddy, lucetti boss and the one who's carl carl?
Speaker 2:and teddy.
Speaker 4:I can only remember teddy lucetti, because what a terrible name carl and teddy lucetti.
Speaker 2:And this was not. This was not an accident. This was at a four corner, wide, open sort of planes level intersection. Bobby saw the vehicle and said hold the fuck on, I got these motherfuckers I want you to consider we don't see it, but we know it happened and.
Speaker 3:But what I want you to consider is this man, knowing his child was in that vehicle, did this like whatever else you want to say, that is a level of insanity. I would hope that very few human beings ever reach like, even if they chase them there. But to be like fuck it, I'm tired of chasing them, I'm going to have a violent collision. My truck going into the driver's side of a car my child is driving is a level of insanity. Wow.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And also, I mean, the last thing she did was make him a Cape Cod Cooley too. But what has she done for him lately? Oh, you know what You're right, isn't that?
Speaker 3:Wow, extra fucked up. You're right. The last thing she says is basically I love you. She goes. You know what? I don't fuck with you no more, but here's your fucking.
Speaker 4:Yes, right, and also a very lucky guess that from what? A half quarter mile away away, he clocks that this was the car and also dell was in it. And also I'm pretty sure I'm hitting the right car and not a random 79 trans am. I'm not saying that there are going to be a lot of them in this area of florida, but I'm saying I would not take those chances yeah, no, absolutely.
Speaker 2:I mean they did make it a very specific car but yeah, there's definitely not a lot of prefrontal vortex activity involved in all this coach would tighten up his nether ridges when anything good would happen on Ted Lasso, because he knows something bad is coming down the pipe, and we just talked about how God you know, after Lucky gave birth and we got real after school especially, and my God, they got away. They beat the big bad and they escaped in the vehicle Like it's all smooth sailing from here, and then Dale says he loves her for Like it's all smooth sailing from here.
Speaker 2:And then Del says he loves her. I mean, wayne says to Del he loves her for the first time and of course Sean Simmons and the entire team here make sure that defeat is snatched from the jaws of victory. As the Chetty boys pull Del out of the car. While Wayne can't move, del is knocked out out cold. They're gentle with her. Teddy says hey, sis, remember, the last thing she did for them was call and wish her a happy birthday. Call and wish them a happy birthday. Remember that. Yeah, I mean like what a bastard, let's hit her with a car. Teddy puts her over his shoulder. Sorry, carl puts her over his shoulder. Bobby says we hear Bobby's voice, got her, got her. Of course Wayne is going to try to. He can't force choke anybody. He's proven that in the last scene. He figures out a way with his left arm to get his door open. He is a the the amount of blunt force trauma this fucking guy has taken in the last 20 minutes a lot
Speaker 4:of cte in this guy which I uh to build on uh bishop's, uh, very excellent point about hitting the car that your daughter is driving. Hitting the car that your daughter is driving that you know for sure does not have airbags. In the car that you are driving with your two sons, that you know also doesn't have airbags, like you just got all of your children into a car accident and you know that there's no safety for them what would bobby lecce say about airbags?
Speaker 2:they're pussies. Exactly what I would have said exactly exactly what I would say.
Speaker 4:That's how well drawn. What would Bobby Lecce say about airbags? They're for pussies.
Speaker 2:They're for pussies. That's exactly what I would have said. Exactly what I would have said that's how well-drawn the characters are. Is that you and I can arrive at the exact same line reading.
Speaker 3:And, as it was said, I started nodding as it was said, I was like, yep, that's 100%.
Speaker 2:Who needs fucking airbags? This is how they get you. They add airbags and now they gotta charge you more. Gives a shit. Airbags are for close. You know that's what would be. Yeah, dwayne forces his way out and he's on the ground. He just falls out, he's on the ground, he rolls onto the ground Trying to protect his fractured left arm. It's so vile.
Speaker 3:It's bent wrong.
Speaker 2:It's bent wrong he's dragging it behind him, like, like, like a, like a, like a, like a, like a, like a you know villainous sidekick, like like a master, you know, like. It's like got that that dragging quality to it. Um, and he is just pulling this, pulling his whole body across across the, uh, asphalt of the street that he is in. Dell is gone. He can't even focus his. His brain is so addled he's. We get an insert of of bobby's work boot putting out a cigarette, and when Bobby comes into frame, it is a full blur. Wayne can't even get his brain to focus, his eyes to focus, his ocular nerves are absolutely shot. They're getting strummed like a banjo, absolutely shot. They're getting strummed like a banjo and and he can barely get, uh, bobby squats down right in front of him and he can still barely get him into complete focus. And what does bobby say to him there, boss?
Speaker 4:guess you thought you could count me out handsome bobby's got like a you know a nose piece yes, you know it is hannibal lecter and lannister very vaguely hannibal lecter, and also uh, this shot was done specifically like he's looking dead in the camera, which is supposed to be wayne, but might as well be the audience like I'd completely forgotten that he was a character at this point yeah, no, he was showed up, I was like, oh, this guy's done yeah, it was really an excellent job on that front.
Speaker 3:Like usually, I do have some part of my brain that's like well, we gotta get like where we gotta tie that up, and so but I, yeah, no, this was startling and disturbing and I was like, yeah, no, we used up all our life force to get past Reggie.
Speaker 2:Yes, so there's nothing. We thought he was the big bad.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 2:And that's it, this is it. And meanwhile he was still being hunted, yeah, by a much worse Mm-hmm. I guess you thought you could count me out, mm handsome. He's so, man. The speech we talked about, reggie with the Cheshire grin and Joker smile. It's a different vibe here. This is all business. It's the same level of monologuing that we talk about bad guys doing. This one is this is a victory lap. And again, bobby the chetty, he's not worried, he's not like you know. Oh, this might, wayne, might turn this around. Wayne is destroyed, he is a, uh, he's a bag of meat on the on the highway and, um, so, uh, the boys, uh are then, of course, in the same way that, like, uh, this show taketh and the show to give the giveth and taketh away, um, and when they make a bad scene and a harsh scene, they'd like to really give you a little humor to balance it out. And so we have this sort of moment here. Back it up a tiny bit, we pan over to Bobby and, I'm sorry, to Teddy and Carl.
Speaker 5:So here's, I guess you thought you could count me out, awesome.
Speaker 4:Thank you, Brad fucking Pitts. You ain't Brad Pitts.
Speaker 2:They've pluralized. It's like a la Key and Pia Liam. Neeson's pluralizing Liam Neeson's yes exactly you think you're Brad fucking Pitts. You ain't Brad Pitts.
Speaker 3:I'm just sitting here shaking my head because I was like these guys are so fucking stupid. It's unbelievable.
Speaker 2:I would kiss the writer on the mouth. It makes me so happy. It's so my speed. I can't at this moment, at this moment where Wayne's life is in question yeah they're hovering over him.
Speaker 2:It's actually like ethereal sort of uh, atmospheric music. It's shot out of focus intentionally, specifically, um uh, they call it subjective camera from wayne's perspective. Like you know, the the character has has vanished into the lens and we are looking from his perspective. And that's what they choose to do is have the two stupidest motherfuckers on the planet pluralize the name of brad pitt. I, just I, it's just a chef's kiss.
Speaker 4:You know what?
Speaker 2:I love it so much.
Speaker 4:As a Chicagoan and as a person who says Jules when we are talking about the grocery store that is called Jule, I am going to need you to stop ridiculing my culture. Additional S's is a big part of who we are.
Speaker 3:Yeah, black people do a lot of pluralizing, so I, I, I, I will join you in saying that that there are, there is some cultural element to that, but I always laugh about it even when I do it because I'm like that's not what it's we're gonna have to talk about all the time. There's great adventures in new jersey. It's not a place I I was. Oh, Great Adventures.
Speaker 2:I was a full-on adult. Six Flag, great Adventures.
Speaker 3:It's not what it's called. I lived. I was an adult when I processed oh my god, there's no S at the end of I'd been there multiple times.
Speaker 4:Yeah, no, it doesn't matter Great.
Speaker 3:Adventures there should be an S.
Speaker 4:I don't know why, but there should be an S. It Doesn't matter. Great adventure. There should be an S. I don't know why, but there should be an S. It's a big park. It needs more than one name.
Speaker 3:Right, it's not one adventure, yeah, it's many.
Speaker 2:Smarter people than any of us, specifically me. Smarter people than me will say that being a stickler for language is absolutely rudimentary. First-level gatekeeping.
Speaker 3:Oh, absolutely, absolutely, yeah, it's great, absolutely, it's all that yeah yeah and still uh, it, I have such, it's such a.
Speaker 2:I hear it and it makes me want to. There's a show called letter kenny takes place in canada, where there's a character named squirrely dan and all he does is pluralize everything. I almost can't watch the show because it pisses me off so much. And he's a great actor. The writing is unbelievable. I just go. I can't. That's what I like about you.
Speaker 4:I'm like just stop, stop. Are you going to reference a line that he screws up?
Speaker 2:No. I didn't hear anything out of that. Can you say it again louder? You ain't.
Speaker 4:Brad Pitt yeah, no, can you say it?
Speaker 2:again louder you ain't Brad Pitt? Yeah. And then Liam Neeson comes in. Oh that Liam Neeson, I love Liam Neeson. And he says okay, you thought you were going to forget about your handsome. And Bob the Shady says I ain't that kind of motherfucker. And now he grabs. Now we go from that before, before we do this, because this is huge.
Speaker 3:I what I will also say I love about this show and I I think I understood it, but right in this moment I get it. When he said I'm not that kind of uh, what do you say? I'm not that kind of motherfucker? Yeah, no one on this show is that kind of motherfucker. Everybody on this show goes to the nth fucking degree.
Speaker 2:We just said that, yeah.
Speaker 3:Everybody. Everybody, though, like every single character is to the absolute extreme of like the path they're on. And I didn't, but yeah, because I had the thought about wayne, like that's such a character choice, because who would blame the character if he sat in that passenger seat and slumped over? I was like, oh damn right, like we'd be okay. I mean, jesus, he was just through a car accident, a vicious fight, but he gets out and is dragged Like, let's say, he had the strength to drag himself over to that pickup truck. Then what was going to happen? But it doesn't matter, like he's still got breath in his lungs, so he's going to keep going. He is absolutely relentless, and this show is absolutely fucking relentless, including this moment of this insane car accident. Like it's, this show is relentless. I guess I didn't think of that word until right now.
Speaker 2:this show is yeah, well said, coach, well said. Um. So, bob, we move away from the subjective uh, wayne based camera and now we're outside and everything's back in focus like a real show, and we watch as the body bag that is wayne is manhandled by bobby. Uh, he's got his sort of, his hand wrapped around Wayne's neck, slash, chin area, his left hand, and he looks back at his boys. Hey, what do you say? Huh, nose for a nose, huh. And he's got an open knife and Wayne is groaning. The boys, boys, um, boss, describe for me, if I showed you just a picture of in this frame here of the lucetti boys, what might they be looking at if they were normally in those positions? They have their hands on their knees oh, like a child on each of their faces yeah, like a puppy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, one of those videos where a panda falls out of a tree and rolls right.
Speaker 4:Yeah, the one where the monkey scratches its butt and then smells its finger and falls out of the tree. That one's always good. Always good for a chuckle.
Speaker 2:Yeah, an armadillo running Right. But no in this case, what are they? Actually watching.
Speaker 4:Oh, a straight razor to a 16-year-old's nose.
Speaker 2:Right. So he puts the razor inside Wayne's right nostril and then pulls. So I don't want to overplay it because it's pretty gross.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's pretty gross, even for the arm. Out of the arm skin Pretty rough yeah, and then what does he say?
Speaker 2:Wayne does not react because he is so broken already well, he's in shock.
Speaker 4:He's in medical shock. Bobby says, hey, good luck not dying, motherfucker, and spits and then leaps. As you know a good show does.
Speaker 3:What a great father well, that's the thing, right. Like it's so deep, like he has no limit, like, I guess, again, the relentless. Like he has no limit, like even if you were going to beat this guy up, even if, whatever, like he, he literally leaves a 16 year old boy there to die because his daughter had the temerity to choose said boy. That's really what we're talking about, because even this like oh, be careful as you pick her up. She not only doesn't want to be with y'all, but she only needs to be picked up because your father slammed his truck into the car she was driving.
Speaker 3:This is and it's yes and it it speaks to how the patriarchy I always remember the phrase that um uh, chivalry puts women on pedestals so we can look up their skirts and and this feels like the violent version of that right it's like hey there, little lady, we're going to have to knock you out cold and possibly kill you to return you home where you belong with. Wait, I'm sorry. Where we can keep you safe, yeah, yeah, where we can keep you safe for the guy you chose to be with.
Speaker 2:Like, what the fuck are we talking about when we can keep you quote, unquote safe? Yeah, so then they leave. It's all again from Wayne's POV. It's all blurry. It's just great it's shot, great the way it's clipped. There's a clipping to the edit where it hops. Go ahead, coach.
Speaker 3:Also, I forget what that's called and I'm sorry, but they have special lenses where you can have like part like the depth of field, where where the distance at which it's in focus is different on one side of the screen than the other, um which I know, because my dp was kind of it's like it's the diopter or it wasn't like it's some name, but it's not a diopter, but it's like it's got that, whatever, but that's a thing.
Speaker 3:And they use it here to great effect because again it reminds you that this poor guy's entire body is just trying to like organize nerve signals that you have to be firing it every fucking time.
Speaker 2:The last thing Wayne sees is the pickup truck drive off. We actually see his head sort of drop before we go to black. That's it. Now we're over. We don't know how long he's lying here. It's dark.
Speaker 3:Yes, night. Some time has passed.
Speaker 2:And then what do we see here, coach? What is the scene first, wake up dell's uh nameplate. Um against the pavement and, interestingly the one she wears around her neck, the, the charm, the charm the whole time.
Speaker 3:And you know the connection to the mom and he knows how much it means to her. It certainly represents her in this story. And he is now crawling to get to that, speaking of uh right, and as we, as he hears what sirens approaching and we start to see in the distance that the lights of some sort of emergency vehicle approaching, we get the. The camera pushes across the ground some more and he takes his disfigured right arm and, with all that he has left, reaches toward the nameplate as a car. And he's now still so. For a moment I thought again oh my god, they really killed him.
Speaker 2:Is this the same music cue boss or is this a different one? You checked on that. Yeah, let me double check. And so now the medical team. We get all paramedics rushing in, we're up. It is a he dead shot which is directly over above Right.
Speaker 3:And rising yeah.
Speaker 2:And rising to mimic, where you know, the natural sort of concept of soul leaving body and rising heavens. It does look like he which we would not. We would not put past this show and lest they let this moment be outdone, the reaching for a golden item of absolute value, we switch now to what boss?
Speaker 4:We see Reggie reaching over to grab his grill that's knocked out in the fight and puts it right back in. Doesn't wipe it off Nothing, just right back in.
Speaker 2:No, it's almost like Samson's hair. When he puts it back in he's like oh.
Speaker 4:Yeah, now he can go far. Of course, standing right near the desk Officer Geller, hands on hips. Of course, standing right near the desk Officer Geller, hands on hips. Hawaiian shirt saying unbelievable.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it's Tommy Bahamas. He just can't believe. That's the first thing. Reggie sees, looks up and we just get a single of Geller Unbelievable. Maybe I should have arrested him, gave him a second chance. No second chance. You got two chances, you won't get a third. And what does Reggie say to this coach?
Speaker 3:He says this entire episode has given me an opportunity to look within. No, he says what the fuck you looking at, bitch which is a fine thing to ask someone when you are in a completely trashed police station bleeding from the bottom half of your skull, like his mouth is bleeding, his nose is bleeding he's just a fuck. Like, what do you mean? What am I looking at? Like, what are you what? What do you think I? What am I looking at? What, what, where do you think I'm looking at you?
Speaker 2:loser Fingerprints all over an AK-47. Oh right, like if he had stuck them in Cheeto dust and grabbed that. It couldn't be more damning.
Speaker 4:And again after he earlier in the day, or possibly a day before, had busted a cop in his chin until he broke. Yeah, Geller knows what he did.
Speaker 2:Right, that is true. We don't know how he got out of it. I'm choosing to think. Geller said he's going to give him a second chance, but who knows? Probably not. It's probably just an oversight. If it is, it's a rare one on this show, but in a way that parallels Bobby Lucchetti, where we know he has no bottom where he's capable of attacking a police officer at a police ice cream function and needs to be tased. They don't have a bottom bottom. Reggie is able to go pull a car out of impound. He's happy to steal an AK-47 assault weapon from an assault rifle from a police lockup. So some dork with a badge clocking him does not faze him one bit. Fuck you looking at bitch. And he puts his, he puts his, he puts his, he puts his toothpick back in his mouth and smiles and with that that's a wrap, francesco Antonio, as Reggie and you just take a bow sir dear God, now.
Speaker 2:Reggie, and you just Take a bow, sir, take a bow, dear God. Now, boss, walk us through what we see here.
Speaker 4:At this point we see Wayne, cleaned up but still battered. He's got a cut on his nose and then also, where he got kicked in the face, he is being escorted by an officer through. This is not a a jail. This has to be a prison, because just the way that the guy is on the phone, like actually in a jail itself uh, don't worry about how we know this in a jail itself you would not have inmates or like people being held there walking around as much as they are. So this is they have a certain amount of freedom because they know where they're supposed to be throughout the day. This is like he has been, if he hasn't already been arraigned and prosecuted and convicted and everything. This is where he's going to be for a little bit. So he's walking through the prison. People are giving him a look as if, uh, he is going to be easy pickings and that's a bad idea for them. A guy sticks his tongue out like gives him a look as he's walking past yeah, fresh meat they're calling yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:This is the first night in cha ching like, uh, um, luckily, well, luckily for them, I guess. Wayne's arm is uh in a sling, so he has been taken care of and he is still injured and he's not going to be able to beat as much ass as he usually could, but there's absolutely no, is a vulture dying near one of you, or?
Speaker 4:Nah, that was me, that was a truck, truck backing up. Yeah, so he's sitting. Eventually, they get him to what seems to be his cell. He sits down on the bed and at this point he very smoothly slips from what must be underneath his tongue Dell's nameplate.
Speaker 2:Coach, are you referencing that last?
Speaker 3:uh, yes, okay, let's talk about that because what you said is more important. But yeah, I, I was like you missed a little detail.
Speaker 4:Oh, let's go back, let's talk about it.
Speaker 2:Well, I I didn't notice it. So right now, after all, I've watched this what 40 times? Um, yeah, it's just, it's. It's something I didn't hear when we first saw it, but I'm seeing a caption that says Reggie. Attributed to Reggie, which I have a hard time. I thought he would be moved to Massachusetts, but what does it say here, coach?
Speaker 3:I'll be shitting on you, motherfucker, so it ain't over.
Speaker 2:We don't see Reggie in frame no but, you hear his voice yeah.
Speaker 3:But I thought it was intense that we are still in Florida and we make sure to establish that we're still in Florida could have chosen to be cooperative and then would have been back in Massachusetts and, according to whatever his code is at this moment, you know, and I was actually a little I thought about, well, why didn't he choose that? That would at least get him closer to Dell? But whatever made him, you know, whatever made him do it, he chose no, I'm not going to be cooperative or work with the police or any of this shit. You want to put me in prison. Put me in prison. And I was like, okay, so you know, but anyway, fascinating there, but yes. Then, what you described, bob, so you know, fascinating there, but yes then what you described.
Speaker 4:I was only going to say as much as I have not. It's not a full on criticism, it is a. I know that we need to have a certain amount suspension of disbelief. I like so much that they made the decision to go with Wayne held on to Del's nameplate. Hell or high water, including whatever sort of body searches they must have done at some point. He was in the hospital. However, it is that he still has Del's nameplate in him, not just on him but in his mouth. I love that they made that choice. It is wildly unrealistic that that choice could happen. There is not a world in which he would still have this unless he had somehow done the trick from the East where you tie it to a back tooth and then swallow it and pull it back up. He's not doing that. So whatever he did do, it is literally not human, but he would be able to do it.
Speaker 2:I'm still under the choice thanks for ruining the uh last moment of the show um.
Speaker 4:Thank you, boss wait, ruining the last moment of the show. Yeah. This show or we're talking about this, is it? That's not ruining it, oh oh, it's not. I said I liked it. I said it's unrealistic, but I like it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, no, right, they do a full mouth search and everything, right. I don't know how he would do it, but nevertheless, what I liked about this one scene is we're pushing into him. When he sits down, he looks a little perturbed and when he starts to move his chin around, you think, oh god, is he like? Is it, is it nervous? Tick, he doesn't look happy. There's no. He looks like determined result, resigned to his situation, but like still wayne. Uh, in that he is fearless and determined and we don't think this will be him. But he doesn't look great and there's something going on with his chin where you're like, oh man, is he grinding his teeth? You don't know what it is Before they do an extreme close-up.
Speaker 2:And the extreme close-up I'm talking about is we don't even get the bottom. We go from the bottom of his chin to the underside of his nose in that's the frame. It's just his mouth and we don't even see the nose. That's how tight it is. And that's when he pushes out, uh, through his lips. You know, uh, reverse, a fox and hound, spaghetti style. Um, he, he uses his lips to sort of ease out the dull nameplate, sort of charm necklace, and then the final beat. Oh, it says where eagles dare play, and the final beat is actually his mouth turning.
Speaker 4:Yes, Although you meant Lady and the Tramp, not Fox and the Hound.
Speaker 2:Oh shit, right, yes, thank you.
Speaker 4:Fox and the Hound is oh shit, right, yes, thank you. Fox and the Hound is an entirely different.
Speaker 2:No, that's right, Exactly, lady and the Tramp. Thank you. We get the Wayne smash screen and with that we have finished our second television show.
Speaker 3:So I Excuse me Because that's where it ended. That's where it ended. That's where it ended, but it ended there, as one does end the season of a show thinking, well, hopefully we'll get to do another season of the show. So I think there was some things set up to like going forward, not to resolve for for specific reasons, but I think that made me like what I just experienced.
Speaker 4:Yes, I love that you said that same thing.
Speaker 3:You see what I'm saying? Yeah, I, I and I thought about it a bit and I was like, yeah, like this is fucked up and like unresolved and what I just found myself.
Speaker 3:like, okay, but that's life though, like that's how life really plays out, like it's not all buttoned up so it just felt it feel all the things that felt real about it, feel more real for the fact that it wasn't just them. You know, driving off in the trans am down the road. Yeah back, you know, I'll see you at Hagler in September. None of that. It was like, yeah, life goes on and he is fully in prison, and so is she.
Speaker 4:Yes, although he is fully dedicated and I'm guessing that she is too. Yes, I don't want to necessarily spoil the ending of a show, but also the show is definitely 10 years old and then they did a follow up third season, so I don't feel terrible about it. But the ending of the second season of Party Down, which was originally the series finale, it leaves it openly ambiguous in this sort of same way that I really really liked it is, and things have not fallen into place. Same way that I really really liked it is uh, things have not fallen into place. We don't know for sure that everybody is going to live happily ever after, but it allows for the chance that things can turn out really well, and so that's what I like.
Speaker 4:Like it it. It isn't that they ended up together and they're going to run away to LA and use the bus ticket or whatever, but he's when he gets out, he is still coming back to find her. We know that for goddamn sure, and so I liked it. I kind of liked that this is where it ended, that they didn't try for a second season to tie up any of those loose ends. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3:I got to say, coach, I was willing to go on the ride. Obviously I said it, I did it. We were willing to go on the ride. Obviously I said it, I did it, we were willing to go, but I did not. I did not expect to like it. I thought I would appreciate it. When you first introduced it I thought, oh, this will be interesting, like kind of like an exercise, and it was much more of that. I mean, it was much more of that. I mean it was much more than that by this point.
Speaker 3:Like I I love Wayne and Dell. Like next time I need to write a love story, they, they are now on my list of like that's what I'm going for. Like you know, I'm I'm a guy who surprisingly, I think, to some people, although I've mentioned it on here before loves the notebook. Like there are love stories that I'm like okay, yeah, that's what the fuck I'm talking about. Like I'm just like, yeah, you loved with every cell of your motherfucking being, and let's see how this plays out. And to me, this was that just done in a way. I don't even know how one creates this. You can leave me in a room for a thousand years.
Speaker 2:I'm not going to come out of there with it is, it is, but again, it's his story, it's Sean Simmons story, it's a it's. It is very regional, it makes a lot of sense and you know this is the type of thing where you know it took a certain vision to get there. Thank you for the kind words, coach. I really appreciate that. I love when people have a good time, especially if it's something I turn them on to. What Ted Lasso and Wayne have in common? There are a tremendous amount I believe they have in common. Ted Lasso, there's no small interactions. We say that all the time. Everybody matters. Wayne lives that and Wayne had only one season. Ted had three, but in a way it had an advantage because we don't have to get past that. If we had stopped at the edge of Ted's first season, that would have been it. We would have said, literally perfection, yeah, we can't even do it any better. That would have been it. We would have said like literally perfect, yeah, we can't even do it any better.
Speaker 2:Wayne lives the same ethos in that the choices that Sean Simmons and staff of writers make and directors make to Through their writing, we see there are no small people. Everyone has a story, even the most ancillary person, whatever they matter and and their stories are being lived in real time and you're falling in the middle of them, but they have a perspective, have a personality and they have a drive and they have motivation. They have, uh, you know, sort of things they're trying to accomplish independently of the main, uh, through line of the, a plot, and that is rare. That's something that really draws me to a filmmaker or or a, or a show or a movie, when you feel like you're dropped into a world that's alive and it wasn't world built for the purposes of the show. It feels like a living vessel and, um, this show, I thought, was absolutely a masterpiece. It was. It was just, um, I remember, I remember watching it with juliana and she, she felt the same. We don't always agree on everything, but she was just like blown away. But as much as I was so good to be with somebody who has the same experience as you, um, I want to call out some of the people. Uh, behind the scenes, we have the series. Uh, sean simmons, of course. Uh wrote and created it. Um, uh, he is the, the brain behind it. The other writers are greg coolidge, kirk ward, kirk ward, by the way, uh, that name ring a bell. That's Calvin Clay. So Calvin, who is the beast that knocked out Wayne the meth dealer, ostensibly has a two-episode writing credit. I love that.
Speaker 2:Sarah Jane Cunningham, susie V Freeman, lauren Hausman, paul Jaffe, sophie Pustle, rhett Reese, spencer Sloan and Paul Wernick it was directed by Steve Pink, who had three episodes Tessa Hoff two episodes, michael Patrick Jan two episodes, stephanie Lang two episodes and Ian B McDonald one episode. The main cast Mark McKenna as William McCullough, ciara Bravo, of course, as Delucetti. Joshua J Williams as Orlando H hikes. We don't ever hear his last name, but his last name is orlando hikes. Um, stephen kieran is stars and stephen keller I. It's a performance. I. I don't want to. I'm calling him out, but I just was, so I guess of this group. I didn't see it coming. It was so yeah they buried the lead in such a way.
Speaker 3:They really fooled me agreed, and even to his last moment. I mean we talk about Reggie's curtain call, but the fact that he's sitting there or standing there with his tucked in shirt and he's just hands on hips and just like almost like a disappointed dad or like a teacher returning to the room and the kids got wild, it's like unbelievable. You have detention. Reggie, it was just like yeah, brilliant, brilliant.
Speaker 2:Listen Wayne McCullough and Del Luchetti, mark McKenna and Ciara Bravo. Because of this thing, I follow them on wherever I can, every social media platform they're available, and always root for them. I don't even know what they'd have to do. It would be something horrific for me to stop rooting for them in general, because I just admire them and love their performance so much. Um, james earl was officer jake and eddie, cop of suit. Uh again, uh, like you know, not a huge role, but like had a. It was an instagram guy that did that. Made like a soup based targeted instagram. You just go like what? Uh, john champagne and jamie champagne, brothers who played carl and teddy the teddy. I mean, I love them. I love like I want to buy. They'll never drink, never pay for a drink in my town. If I ever know they're there, I just it's always my favorite character, the dumb ones, whether, whether it's the uh, you know the guys on um, uh like, uh, uh, brooklyn nine, nine, the absolute donkeys of. Uh. What are their names? Boss, I'm others, uh.
Speaker 4:Scully and Hitchcock.
Speaker 2:Hitchcock, hitchcock and Scully. Hitchcock and scully. You got jason mendoza, you got uh on the good place. You have um chris uh, what's his name? On um parks and rec? Uh, yeah, chris pratt, what's his character's name?
Speaker 4:andy dwyer andy dwyer.
Speaker 2:Yes, okay, so I just love those characters. The champagne brothers killed it. Mike o'malley, uh, principal tommy cole I'm guessing that they are friends in real life, sean and mike, because I think they're shooting something now in cleveland. You look at, uh, their instagram. I think there's either that, uh, I don't know if mike o'malley's on that, but, um, I know that he's active there. Dean winters, um, who, uh, mayhem call out Bobby Luchetti. Sort of a perfect role for him and done perfectly. I just I came into this where he was not my favorite actor on the cast. I thought he was always good and everything, but he pissed me off and I don't like when guys do commercials, even though I understand you got to pay the bills. So he does those insurance ads where it's fine, I get it, but for something about him I was like oh, is he? You know, is he at the same tier? He was on Rescue Me and sometimes it would drive me crazy enough where I was like is he the same tier as the rest? And over here on this, did you watch?
Speaker 3:Oz. No, I never did. Yeah, so I think that would have shifted you a little bit more to no, this motherfucker can act. You can like or not like him, but he definitely can act.
Speaker 2:Oh no, no, it puts me over the top, this show. I just go, okay. The matter is closed. Francesco Antonio, who we've referenced as Reggie, what a character. Kirk Ward as Calvin Clay, michaela Watkins as Maureen McNulty. I mean, yeah, bosses clapping, you guys can feel free to unmute and jump in wherever. Stop me any time. I just think it's absolutely stunning Abigail Spencer as Donna Lucetti, ray McKinnon as Wayne McCullough.
Speaker 3:These are Not a lot of screen time for those two, by the way, and very impactful.
Speaker 2:You. Just it's, it is just so, so impressive. The series is produced by Greg Coolidge, sarah Jane Cunningham, susie Freeman, lauren Hausman, rhett Reese, john Ryan, john Simmons, gwen Smith, robson, susie Freeman, lauren Hausman, rhys, john Ryan, john Simmons, gwen Smith-Robson, kirk Ward. Getting an EP credit. Nice, that's for Calvin, paul Wernick, victoria Woods, daniel Hank and Ian B McDonald. Music Stephen Argyla. Cinematography by D Gregor Hagee Ten episodes. No other cinematographer that is a DP to watch. You just go, mike, I mean dear God. Edited by Les, as a dp to watch. You just go, mike, I mean dear god. Uh, edited by les butler, omar, hassan reap, tom lewis and michael stern. Casting by chrissy florilly, amanda and amanda doyle.
Speaker 2:Production designed by aiden larue, who we've mentioned. This production design, you know you can only imagine they must have had a shoestring budget and to pull this off you, you know what I mean. It's like when you go, oh, I'm your production designer on a, on a, on a show like that, show like this, and you go, all right, like we gotta make, we gotta make mirror because we have, we have a 85 cents and a head of cabbage and let's, let's do it A series. Art direction by Joel Richardson. Again, phenomenal set decoration Chris Land, conroy costume design, julia Potkos and Megan Oppenheimer, and you just say this entire oh, the first AD. By the way you've got to call it. I'm just scanning David Antoniak, first AD, and then Reid Dunlop and Alejandro Valbuena. They have three first ADs. No, four, five, five. Grant Lucibello and Andrew Shea.
Speaker 2:We talk about the first AD, how important. And now I'm like, holy shit, why? So? That's a terrible sign. That's, that's that actually is Like. Can you imagine that many like that's your, that's your, that's, that's your fulcrum, everything going on is your AD staff. So, anyway, just fascinating stuff. I wanted to call those people out because I'm sure they get no love. This is a show that 11 people and everyone on this podcast has now seen. Um, and that's just about it. Uh, but it is uh, it's powerful and it's unbelievably well done and it's one of those beautiful things that I love to share whenever I can. And you know, it's pretty much what this entire sort of venture of a podcast is all about is trying to share these beautiful moments and what the concept is behind them and what the choices mean in modern society. So thank you to everybody for being part of this. Boss or coach, do you have anything you want to say about Wayne before we close the book and then only refer to it in the abstract as we move on.
Speaker 4:Nothing that I haven't said.
Speaker 2:All right, good. Well, we're going to end it there. Thank you everybody. Thank you for joining us. Thank you for being part of our second show. Thank you everybody. Thank you for joining us. Thank you for being part of be off-putting. So thank you for everyone for sticking with us and understanding the stylized nature of that was intended to tell a story. Coach. Where do people find you if they want to find you?
Speaker 3:Through the community Because we're going to be doing some more deep diving. There's going to be some deep diving going on. We've been debating, preparing, so we're not done with y'all. I hope you're not done with us. This has really been a blast. This is I, yeah, I, I enjoy, I enjoy this show, not only enjoy helping to make it, but then sometimes I sit around, enjoy hanging out with y'all all over again listening to it. So, yeah, so come through the community, join in. We're going to keep this thing going and we want to hear more viewpoints and more opinions and all the things, and let's talk about it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's great. Thanks, coach. What about you?
Speaker 4:uh, so you can find me on threads, which is emilychambers.31. Um, you also can still find me on blue sky as a hopefully new community member. Julie just did. Uh, she messaged me, wants to know how to get to the community site. Hope to see her there. Very glad that she's listening. I really love it On Blue Sky. That is doubly underscore chambers and always admiring and considering. Writing for Antagonist, which is antagonistblogcom.
Speaker 2:Okay, thank you, boss, thank you, thank you everybody.
Speaker 2:Thank you for joining us. Thanks for being part of this. Listen, when you get to the, I'm terrible with ending. I always get emotional. I always used to uh, you know, whether I lived in a crappy apartment in college or wherever I would, I would sit there and move everything out. Then I would take a few minutes to cry and moan, think about all I had lost. Uh, it's just like the quarterback that says throws for three touchdowns. It says I had a fourth right in the bag and I missed the tight end over the middle.
Speaker 2:We tend to focus on some of the things we didn't do. This community and this podcast and having a coach and boss here who are absolutely tremendous human beings. I pick on both of them, like, like them. I love them so much. They mean the world to me. I love them so much. They mean the world to me. I will never stop poking fun at either and both of them collectively, since they're always getting up on me and but, but it is a.
Speaker 2:It is a joy to make this joy, to put it in the world. We really hope you're getting something out of it. We really hope that we make you laugh. We make you think. We invite you to be to be part of this. We want you laugh, we make you think. We invite you to be to be part of this. We want you to sign up. We want you to help support the team, to sort of keep the lights on.
Speaker 2:As we say, we do not make any money. We have never made money. This is a loss. This is an operating in the red. It would be nice to someday break even. That would be, that would be amazing. But we try to do this because we love the way it feels and we love the impact it's had, and it means the world to us that things we love are then shared and grow and have a sort of community of their own. So, thank you, it really really does mean the world.
Speaker 2:I know that you just listen to us and hear us through your airpods or your speaker, or your car uh, or your noise canceling headphones, whatever you you know. When you're driving, when you're folding laundry, when you're working in the background, you hear us and we seem like you know, uh, sort of you know, uh, I don't know and uh voices that are not connected to anything, but there are human beings behind it. Our editor, luke Morey, works harder than anybody, certainly works harder than the three of us. We want to thank Luke. He is the greatest and it means the world to us that he has gone the whole way through this two shows with us. And we want to thank our producing crew. We have them listed all in the credits. They are great, and all the support to all of us.
Speaker 2:Please consider joining the community. It's in the sort of details of every episode of every podcast we do. You can click and join for the low, low price of $3, I think is the lowest entry fee. You can really help us do some. So with that, we really really, really, really appreciate you being with us for Ted Lasso and now for Wayne, and we hope you've had a great time. Please support your local libraries in the written word. And until next time oh wait, raise better boys, right, how would I forget that? That's a big one. Raise better boys everybody. And until next time we are Richmond Till we die.
Speaker 2:That's good, that's appropriate. We don't have to. We don't have to mess it up. We don't have to talk about AK-47s or false grills or any of that. Thank you everybody. Thanks for listening and we'll be back next time. It's not. I know we haven't announced what we're doing next. I'm hoping that you will enjoy the mystery of it and we'll be back next time with a very special episode. You ain't Brad Pitt.