The Bear | S1 E3 Part1 "Brigade"

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What happens when you mix the stormy atmosphere of Chicago’s lakeshore with the raw intensity of a bustling kitchen? This episode of "Ted Lasso Talk" dissects the emotional and atmospheric opening scene of "The Bear," Season 1, Episode 3, "Brigade," with insights from Coach Castleton, Coach Bishop, and Boss Emily Chambers. We dive into the significance of the Chicago lakeshore to the city's identity and laugh along as we discuss the regional accents and unique pronunciations that bring authenticity to the show’s setting.

Molly Ringwald’s heart-wrenching Al-Anon meeting scene offers a profound look into the struggles of dealing with an alcoholic loved one. We'll unpack her powerful message about taking control of one's own life and the importance of high-level therapy, juxtaposed with the chaotic, high-energy environment of Carmy's kitchen. From Carmy's growth to the relentless pace that mirrors real-life challenges, we explore the multifaceted dynamics within the kitchen, highlighting Marcus’s impressive qualities and Sydney’s fierce dedication to proper procedures.

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Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:22

Welcome to our Ted Lasso Talk, the Tedcast. Welcome all Greyhound fans, welcome all you sinners from the dog track and all the AFC Richmond fans around the world. It's the Lasso Way around these parts with Coach, coach and Boss, without further ado, coach Castleton.

Speaker 2: 0:39

Okay, welcome back, beautiful people. Today we are discussing the Bear, Season 1, Episode 3, entitled Brigade. I am your host, Coach Castleton. With me, as always, is Coach Bishop.

Speaker 3: 0:52

As long as everybody's pulling in the same direction, I'm sure everything will be fine in this kitchen.

Speaker 2: 1:01

We definitely are.

Speaker 4: 1:04

With us is our boss, emily chambers um, for those of you who are not subscribers, there will be. You are missing out on a bonus episode going up in the community site where I had to yell and point and get heated and because of that I would like to be a little bit nicer and only say I am so thrilled about talking about this episode. I'm really excited. I hope I don't actually cry there is a possibility that will happen.

Speaker 2: 1:32

Oh wow, oh, is that?

Speaker 3: 1:33

right? Oh for sure, this is great Wow.

Speaker 2: 1:34

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:35

Okay, all right.

Speaker 2: 1:38

Well, let's jump right in. This episode is entitled Brigade. It is written by Christopher Storer, the show creator, and it is directed written by christopher storer, the show creator, and it is uh directed by joanna callow c-a-l-o. Um. It dropped on uh june 23rd 2022 along with the entire first season, and um we begin over black with rumbling and birds chirping and boss in that. Uh, you know, my, my rooting interest is to see as much emotion from you as possible. I've already checked off the getting yelled at by you today. The two emotions I have mad and angry and sad.

Speaker 2: 2:15

I have both of them Silence and rage. That's literally a line, as a little a line from a midnight run, which I quote. All the time you have two emotions silence and rage. This is what he says to Robert De Niro.

Speaker 4: 2:26

He's like, ah, and then he doesn't say anything and looks away there you go, and here's one thing we might agree on Well, not agree on necessarily, but touchstones. There is a national song where he says I have only two emotions careful fear and dead devotion. So I've got my own version of that.

Speaker 2: 2:45

Oh, I like it. How about it? So we are over black rumbling birds chirping. Where are we here, boss?

Speaker 4: 2:52

Oh, we're right at the lakeshore. In case you have not gotten to come to Chicago, you might mistake that. For an actual ocean, lake Michigan is large enough that you like. It gets out to the rise and I think it's like 18 miles out or something and there's fucking nothing. It's only when the camera pans that you see the entire city and the lights behind carmy. It seems like dawn. Um, but that is actually, I want to say, oak street beach, possibly north street. I would need to double check. I don't go to the beach down there. Loyola is my beach, but it's beautiful, crowded usually not when it's so cold that he is wearing a winter jacket.

Speaker 2: 3:35

Okay, so it's dead. Do people from Chicago have any sort of inferiority complex about the fact that the greatest sort of ecological marvel is named after a neighboring state? It's not like they call it Lake Illinois.

Speaker 4: 3:54

Absolutely fucking not. You know why? Because Lake Michigan can. Michigan the state can only go up against Wisconsin those of you not familiar with the geography around here. Michigan the state looks like a hand, like a mitten type of thing. And then they have what's called the UP, that's the upper peninsula, and that is on the other side of the lake and it is literally connected to Wisconsin. And Michigan was like hey, wisconsin, give me that shit. And Wisconsin was like okay, so, like okay, so we don't need to be involved in it. Michigan and Wisconsin are going to fight. Those are the little kids and we're just hanging out. So no, we're fine about that.

Speaker 2: 4:33

Even how you say Wisconsin feels like it has a G in it, probably.

Speaker 4: 4:39

Wisconsin. You hear that Wisconsin, oh Wisconsin. Yeah, I get that. It's like how I say tacos.

Speaker 2: 4:46

Juliana says that about. What does she say? It's an Italian word. What does she say? Oh, capicol. No, yeah, Capicol. Right, Capicol, she's capicol. Yeah, she's capicol. And there's another one with a G that I always wow.

Speaker 4: 5:00

It's just an interesting, it's a it's not a pleasant accent to the ear, I do. God bless him. Our buddy, kurt, when we got to meet in real life, said that he was just so delighted by my Midwestern accent and I was like delighted is not a word people use about me often I was unaware I have an accent, but delighted is definitely not a thing I hear.

Speaker 2: 5:24

He's. He's one of the good ones.

Speaker 4: 5:26

He is. He's a marshmallow, probably too good.

Speaker 2: 5:28

Yeah, he's pretty great. This is writer TK over at pajabacom. Just a saint of a human being, Although don't get on his bad side because he's got boss-like opinion.

Speaker 4: 5:42

Favorite thing about him he will fucking light you up. Luckily I have never been.

Speaker 2: 5:46

Yes, I have never been on his bad side, thank God. I want to stay there, yep, but it's not his bad side. He's very, very bright and it's a considered bad side. It's like if you got there, guess what you deserve it. You deserve what you got coming because he.

Speaker 4: 6:00

You have talked about your admiration for enforcers on hockey teams. He is that enforcer? He will be, fine, until you fuck up, and then he will fuck you up.

Speaker 2: 6:12

That is what a great yes. He's like a blogging enforcer. He comes in when you don't know you need him and he lays. He just lays down the law and it is um, he is, he has the, he has the brains and he has the and he has the brains and he has the intensity and he has the historical perspective. I'm a big fan. So, yes, please read more of him whenever you can at pajabacom. Okay, we're going to jump right in. Karmie is on the beach. He's looking out at the water. There's a very considered thought process.

Speaker 2: 6:44

He's in a hat which I don't think we've seen before up till this point. Um, he looks like one of those guys to me. I'm very, uh, picky about baseball caps. Uh, he looks like a guy that doesn't know how to wear a baseball cap. To me, like it's not tight enough and it's like in the back it's just kind of thrown on and and that's okay, everybody can do whatever. Some people have the, the flat brim. You know, these days they have that uh sort of that, that, that flat brim kind of kind of look. Um, I come from the uh, from the uh, now outdated school of the curved brim, um, and the grunge era, um, but it is a. Uh, you know, listen, I'm fine with anybody he threw this hat on, not, in my opinion, not for the fashion sense of it, but because of where he's headed. And where is that boss?

Speaker 4: 7:39

He is going to the Al-Anon meeting that Natalie keeps telling him to go to. Will you check it out? Have you checked it out? He is actually checking it out.

Speaker 2: 7:48

Yeah, and walk us through this moment here.

Speaker 4: 7:51

Man. So this show really fucking drops us into the middle of it.

Speaker 2: 7:56

It does. You're there before you know it.

Speaker 4: 7:58

Yeah, like where am I? So it's not just where they are, but it's also what is about to be said. So he sneaks in to the back of the room, sits down in the first available chair. It's a beautiful room, by the way. I'm not sure exactly where this is. I need to find out, because I want to work in this office. Um, there's someone at the front who is uh talking about her experiences and, as it gets closer, uh, number one. It's molly ringwald. So that's fucking awesome, really like that.

Speaker 1: 8:29

They got her, that's very cool and this was well before the most recent brad pack documentary.

Speaker 4: 8:34

Like they, they brought back molly ringwald, love it um. And she is talking about her experiences with her husband who, who was an alcoholic, and her trying to accept that she didn't cause it, she can't control it, she can't fix it, that a lot of her life she felt like only a victim and that that is not the case. This is varsity level therapy type shit. This is high level. High like a lot of nuance, a lot of complexity, a lot of trying to figure it out. She's talking about how she would always feel like if she could throw away his liquor or if she could make him happier that he wouldn't need to drink and that she would be able to fix it.

Speaker 4: 9:24

One of the things that she says in here is I know I played a role in the abuse and I'm really mad at myself about that, which I think a lot of people would say like oh, that sounds a lot like victim blaming and it's not.

Speaker 4: 9:39

And this is why the scene is so awesome to me that what she is talking about is separating what she did and the role that she played in her own life with what she was trying to take responsibility for in his. So what she did was blame herself for his actions, take responsibility for his inability to stop drinking and punish herself because she couldn't control those things. What she's mad about is she put too much pressure on herself to fix everything, and that was unfair to her. And so now, instead of trying to fix things, she is going to a phrase that comes up a lot in AA and NA and Al-Anon and the rest of them is keeping my side of the street clean. I will take responsibility for my actions. I'm not going to be responsible for his. The fact that they're like yeah, put that in the first scene. Yeah, just drop it, it's fine, it'll be great, everybody's going to figure out where we are with this.

Speaker 3: 10:39

Yes, thank you, I guess, is what I really want to say to that Cause. I, yeah, that was, that was awesome. Um, for me it's, it's a great example of being dropped in there that way. I mean, there's not, there's really not even the like obligatory, like hi, I'm Sharon, hi, sharon, right, none of that. There were a cuss, and the word I texted to both of you, as you know, but I'm not going to share with the buttercups is this show is unrelenting. Um, I think it's a test, I think it intends to be unrelenting. So, bravo, mission accomplished.

Speaker 3: 11:18

I I will say that, um, I'm about to, for reasons that would bore everyone I'm about, I know, I'm about to watch a bunch of episodes together and I'm accounting for the energy that's going to be involved in that as well, because this is not something you just watch an episode of and then continue on checking your email for me at least, but I just find it is never ending. It's truly always something, and what I love about that is that's to me what it feels like when the shit goes down in life. Like I don't know. For me, I would. I there are times I've woken up and go on like let's see what fresh hell the world has for me today. But it's just like that. That's really the mission of my day Just find out what new bomb is about to go off on this field. And so it's. It's no small feat to achieve that in your storytelling and it's, and it's here Like I just I want a break, like give me a chance to take a break, a breath. But they don't.

Speaker 2: 12:30

Yeah, it is a dynamic of this show where they want to keep the foot on the gas when they take it off. You notice the few times that we've sort of downshifted you, you really you really notice.

Speaker 2: 12:50

Uh, we, we go from molly ringwald in the alan on meeting uh with carmy watching. I'll say, excuse me, I will say that, um, the something there that is key, uh, is the camera work, which sometimes, even as mo Ringwald is talking, you're over her shoulder and she's out of focus in the foreground and we are sort of watching Carmi watch from the back row and also it's at the exclusion of everybody else. It's just him and her in the shot. Else, it's just him and her in the shot.

Speaker 2: 13:28

Um, then there's actually singles of carmy, just a tight, real tight single of where he's only in the frame and, um, and it's just him processing this, uh, and, and it's a this is a huge step that he has taken to address this, and this is you know, thou shalt be not idle in the face of your ghosts or your demons. Agency is something that we talk about a lot on this show, and things can't change until someone takes agency and makes them change. Carmi, to his credit, is actively making a choice, and so we can respect that and, in the true nature of the bear, second, that you try to think about that and process that, you have richie's voice over top yelling what, what, coach?

Speaker 3: 14:18

what is wrong with you fucking jagoffs? So, um, that doesn't seem toxic at all yes there you go. Was there a connection between those ideas?

Speaker 2: 14:29

so we go right to the right to right. Yeah, no, no, yeah, totally he's just just. We have this long line of people waiting on their food. Everyone's yelling at each other. We're down six pepper, five briefs of ravioli, ever. Carmy is working as fast as he can and this is primarily coach this. The altercation we come in the middle of here, um, that we sort of join in the middle of, is, uh, not carmy, is not really it's. We're used to richie and carmy kind of teeing off on each other. Right, but but is this richie and carmy?

Speaker 3: 15:03

no, this is richie and sid, um, kind of teeing off on each other, right? But is this Richie and Carmi? No, this is Richie and Sid going back and forth. Carmi actually literally and I mean literally, not really for those of you who check out the other episode has his head down. Yes, he's got his head down working and he's, you know, shoveling meat onto some bread to make a sandwich.

Speaker 3: 15:27

And so Sid and Richie over his, over him, which I don't think is a coincidence in the blocking are having an argument about how the orders are getting to the kitchen and how that's impacting getting the orders out of the kitchen and to the customers in a timely way. So, yeah, so Carmi is. You can see that he understands what Sid's point might be about how things are done, but he's right now he's just like on some fuck it, go get the food ready and just get it out of here. We can't do this now. On some fuck it, go get the food ready and just get it out of here. We can't do this now. I didn't love his management style here, but I get it. Yeah, but in real time I thought like, okay, you know what it's like to deal with him and you've known him all your life. Are you really asking somebody who got here, you know, however many weeks ago, whatever this is supposed to be to tangle with richie and straighten him out or deal with his chaos?

Speaker 2: 16:30

it's a, it's a lot so that's an interesting yeah, that's an interesting choice, but it was funny because you say you don't like his management style.

Speaker 2: 16:38

Richie is airing his dirty laundry in public, so richie is screaming in front of customers they intentionally shoot the scene where, um, where we see all of the weird like sort of you know, annoyed or either it's a little spectrum from annoyed to surprised in the line of customers, like jesus christ, like, what are you guys doing? Like, but there is judgment there. Um, carmy is is head down scooping thing and me trying to build sandwiches as fast as possible. He's waiting on peppers from richie, who's not firing peppers. He says we're waiting on you know you firing the stuff. Everyone's got a job and richie does not seem to be doing the job in the way that carmy has imagined the job.

Speaker 2: 17:20

Now carmy's choice here is to tangle with richie or try to build sandwiches as fast as possible, because there's literally a line of at least eight people or 10 people in frame that we can see who are a little pissed off waiting for their food. At least that's the way it's presented. And Sid is arguing it's a lot of lingo. Is it important necessarily about chits and things like that? Marcus comes in. Where are my trays? Somebody stole my trays. No, sid says nobody took your trays, I prepped them Like they're in the oven. So it is a. There's a functional set of miscommunications going on here, but Carmi does what Carmi is able to do. His choice is I can mix it up with Richie and stop making sandwiches, or I can control the one person that I hired that understands the hierarchy of this, and so he keeps going back to the yes chef model with Sid. Now, is that the right way to go? I don't know. I actually don't know. But, boss, jump in and explain what you know about this.

Speaker 4: 18:21

Well, I don't think that it's the right way of doing things. It is the way that things are done, especially in dysfunctional uh workplaces. Uh, whoever can get it done is the one that then is responsible for getting it done. I can tell you from my personal experience, when I was working three fucking positions at uh my last job what ends up happening is that they leave, like you shovel as much shit onto one person as they can take because it can't go anywhere else, and then they're gone, and then you're fucked. And then what are you doing? So what really should be happening is exactly what carmy says in the frame we're looking at, where he says please press the button. The system now is that richie doesn't shout to the uh kitchen saying fire all these. He pushes the button and says fire these things, and then they get it. And this is what Sydney is saying. Can you push the button? Can you do things the way that we're supposed to be doing things?

Speaker 2: 19:14

She is right.

Speaker 4: 19:16

Richie is wrong. Carmy should be doing a better job of saying Richie, fucking settle down. Or, richie, get in the back of the kitchen, send somebody else up. Send anybody else up so they can push the button right. But that's not happening because the entire kitchen is still in the middle of this dysfunction. In the same way that, like Marcus, I love you. I love Marcus. He is one of my favorite people I've ever seen on screen. Why are you bothering the owner about where your trays are Like? There are only so many places where it could be. Look around, although.

Speaker 2: 19:54

They're always where they always are, though that's the thing. The guy like Marcus I don't know if he's bothering Carmi per se or if he's just shouting someone stole my trays to the group. Even so, the one place he's not going to look is the oven, because no one has ever helped him before and sure, right, and so, like it's it, you go. It's.

Speaker 2: 20:13

It's mildly believable, it's a completely believable thing, I go yeah, the one place he didn't look was where someone would have generously got him started. You go, oh my god, of course he didn't look there, but to his credit, he hears it and he's gone.

Speaker 4: 20:27

Yes, this is. God bless him, marcus. I feel like I'm not. I think too many things are overly generalized as being ADHD. I think he's got a few of those tendencies and I think that this is not a personal thing for him as soon as he knows he's like great.

Speaker 3: 20:43

Oh, not at all he, and I think that this is not a personal thing for him as soon as he knows?

Speaker 2: 20:46

Oh, not at all he just wants to know where his damn trays are. Yeah Yep, Marcus is played by an actor named Lionel Boyce, who is one of those actors where, whatever his Q score is, I think it's probably out the window. It's like so he's so like, he's so fun to watch. I just I liked him the second I saw him. You know what I mean he just has that thing.

Speaker 4: 21:05

Yes, and I'm not saying that I know him personally whatsoever, but Yvonne's last name is escaping me right now. But when he had to do a quick question about like Moss Spockrock, thank you. When it was like Chicago pizza or New York pizza, blah, blah, blah. When they said who's the first person on the cast? You would have babysit your kids. When they said who's the first person on the cast you would have babysit your kids. He said Lionel. He was like no question, he plays Marcus, lionel would watch my kids.

Speaker 2: 21:30

Oh, that's nice. Yeah, okay, all right, I buy it. I mean, he's got that Whatever. I liked him from the second I saw him. He's done nothing to dissuade me from that. Sid comes in Chef, are you good? She's screaming and Carmen is like Chef, are you good? Yes, chef, yes, he's like yes, and then gets her to say, yes, it's very. You know, there is a real sir, yes, sir, quality to it, oh sure.

Speaker 2: 22:00

That I never would have associated with the kitchen staff. But you know there's a very, very clear hierarchy. Go ahead, coach.

Speaker 3: 22:10

Well, I mean, that's my understanding. I've never worked a kitchen, like I said, I'm a bartender, but not this. But the hierarchy thing seemed right to me, in line with what what boss said about. You know, that employee eventually leaves.

Speaker 3: 22:32

I have, I have, a personal thing about the fact that I well, I think the way I say to daphne often, because she's a decent human being, um, is they weaponize your decency against you. It's not me suggesting that you shouldn't be decent, it's me suggesting that I'm really glad I'm here and because I'm gonna go down that park and bust that dude's window and so, um, here, sort of within, in sort of concert, that there's the like, oh, but you know how so-and-so is, which I always feel like so-and-so knows how so-and-so is, fuck, so-and-so. Like. I mean like, like. Everyone else is supposed to sort of like, adjust and behave differently.

Speaker 3: 23:17

I'm sure there are people right now nodding, thinking of the, the cousin or the aunt or the sibling or whatever in their own family or whatever. But to me, some of this is this dude is completely out of control, generally and specifically unhinged in this moment. So now I'm gonna make it all about you and put all of the responsibility for ending the chaos. You didn't start on you, so I get why it's being done, but I do think, put it this way, and I think there might have been a way to say, even after the thank you, whatever to say. To say, even after the thank you, shift whatever to say look, we can't fix the system. Mid-shift People want their sandwiches.

Speaker 3: 24:11

We're working on it. It's a working problem, whatever, I don't you know. I would have preferred to have acknowledged what is obvious, which is that Sid is right. We have a system. You're screaming like a lunatic. We can't hear each other back here because, guess what, when you press that button, then I have shit I'm supposed to say, but you're up here screaming, distracting. It is a thing. She is right, and it is the system the man put in. So it's like I'm running your system that you told us to run, and when I run into trouble with it, you make it seem like I'm a troublemaker, as opposed to these. People are fucking up.

Speaker 4: 24:47

Yeah, and I think you know what you spoke about in the first couple of episodes, with Carmi not being in either world. This is a smaller version of that, where he is trying to push things out the same way that you would at an extremely high end. He is trying to push things out the same way that you would at an extremely high end, like the second, that one plate is off the table, another plate is on type place and this is not it. And also, from experience, chicagoans will stand in line if the food is good enough. There's a hot dog place called Hot Dogs Not too far from me. People would expect to stand in line for at least an hour. I never did that, because I don't do that shit. But if he backed up for a second and he was like okay, well, like if they're waiting, they're going to have to wait. We need to fix this right now and get it done, but he wasn't. He was so wrapped up.

Speaker 4: 25:37

He is still not in the position of being a manager where he could say you do this and you do this. He is trying to serve both worlds and he's doing neither.

Speaker 3: 25:47

Good point.

Speaker 2: 25:50

Alright. Well, he's doing what he is capable of doing. I think at this moment he's controlling the elements he can control. Whether or not it's ideal is up for debate. They're trying to get all this stuff done. There's some grumpy faces on the customers and then we cut to an establishing shot of Chicago. Just some generic establishing night shots Is there anything here.

Speaker 3: 26:19

Even that in the unrelenting column on another show. Even that in the Unrelenting column on another show. This is one semi-static shot. I've seen five shots in about 10 seconds. Even they're establishing shots, which is not a thing. That's not plural. It's supposed to be establishing shots. Even that has like a you. You know, you got to pay attention. Oh my god, what's happening next? Oh my god, it changed, but I couldn't barely see what that was. Now we're on to the next thing. I'm far away. I'm close up it. It is. It is definitely built to make you constantly uncomfortable yeah, very well said.

Speaker 2: 27:03

Uh, the editing is excellent. And then we, we sort of push in, we have a. We have like a, a dissolve from one of the shots of a building to a uh train, a slow dissolve which really feels like taking your foot off the gap, right, I mean dissolves. We go wait a second. This is exactly very, very intentional, right. We hear inhale, and now where are we boss?

Speaker 4: 27:29

The place I would always like to be. We are in Carmi's bedroom. It's waking up Also. The dude does not. It is a mattress. He has one of those metal frames and a box spring, but, like there, it's not decorated Well. He has a tiny little side table with a shitty little lamp. This is not where he's putting all of his attention. Uh, he wakes up, is there?

Speaker 2: 27:53

a box spring for sure. I was looking at the. I was like it looks like a mattress on a frame to me.

Speaker 4: 27:57

Well, the only reason I know is because I do in fact, not have a box spring, but it's because of the type of bed frame that I have. It's, it is minimalist. I will not pretend that it's not, but as an intentionally designed to be shorter, like closer to the ground, it's. It's a better feel for me. It doesn't matter. I also have like 14 layers of mattress pads because I like things to be comfy. Oh, this is fine. I'm pretty sure he has a box spring. I can't tell. I will fully acknowledge a person younger than myself. That's always a great way of introducing things. No, but a woman I know who is about 10 years younger, told me that the children, the young ones, the ones that are, I guess, taking care of their own bodies to an extent, sleep without sheets. And I was like, oh, you mean no top sheet, because, unless it's like I'm not going to fuck with the top sheet in winter, I have a comforter. And no, they are, they are raw, dogging the bed, they're on the mattress. There are no sheets, there are none.

Speaker 2: 29:01

Why no?

Speaker 4: 29:03

They think that it's unnecessary, they think that it's capitalism and that they're trying to make you buy things that you don't need to buy and that all you need to do is just lay on the mattress.

Speaker 3: 29:14

And you're just going to funk up your mattress like that over years.

Speaker 2: 29:17

That problem will take care of itself.

Speaker 4: 29:19

Literally me sipping tea Going okay, Test that out and come back in six months and tell me yeah, I don't okay, this room is incorrect okay, whatever I I listen, I'm just going to acknowledge the woman is my waxer and what I told her was whatever physical pain you are putting me through right now, the psychic distress that you were giving me by telling me these things is so much more significant. I am so upset right now about this. I don't like it.

Speaker 2: 29:48

It's okay. Every generation wants to reinvent the wheel in one way or another. If that's the hill people are going to die on, then this is right up along the lines of allowing people to fail and figure it out. No judgment, fine. I'm not judging We'll be curious about it and see how it works out.

Speaker 4: 30:07

I'm just sad on one side. Listen, there is a there are generational shifts.

Speaker 2: 30:15

Yeah, I read an article the other day about millennials don't buy napkins. They think it's absolutely unnecessary.

Speaker 4: 30:23

Yes, that makes a lot of sense to me.

Speaker 2: 30:24

Why would I buy napkins, It's's fine to Say just use paper towel, basically Just use paper towel?

Speaker 4: 30:29

Why would I buy napkins? Yeah, you know what you don't do. You don't just leave the garbage on the place where you sleep later. That's not a thing that you do. You don't just decide I'm not going to clean up the juice I spilled. You still clean it up. You just use a different thing. What you're saying is millennials didn't ever decide. Oh I, I, I don't need any sort of cloth, I need no sort of cleaning material. It's I. I'm a slob and it's still outrageous to me I really am loving how much it has bothered you though that?

Speaker 3: 30:59

because that I know that feeling, I know it don't like this, but it's not bothering me the way I can see it, it's bothering me.

Speaker 4: 31:07

I don't. No, no, no, I don't. It's fine if they want to do it. I don't want them to touch me with their bodies after they do it. Do they usually no?

Speaker 2: 31:16

Okay.

Speaker 4: 31:25

I did reach out to my youngest brother and I was like hey, I need a token member of Gen Z to give me an answer about this. And he was like okay, cool, I'm a millennial. And I was like oh fuck, All right the youngest person I know is my generation Got it Anyway. So Karmie is sitting on his bed that does have sheets, he does have sheets and he starts going through the materials that he got at the Elanon meeting. And there's a few.

Speaker 2: 31:43

Before we get to there. Aren't you just blown away? When you, when you see the palatial estate that he lives in and the you know the breadth and scope, you just think like, wow, is everything Ralph Lauren in this room?

Speaker 4: 31:56

Well, what I think is like it makes so much sense that, yes, like you are eating peanut butter and jelly sandwiches and you're stressed out and nobody will listen to you. But when you have all of this material wealth and comfort, obviously it's worth it.

Speaker 3: 32:13

That's great.

Speaker 2: 32:13

So okay, for those people not watching along, it's just, it looks like a dorm room. It's so crappy. Yeah, there's like a crappy fan. There's a crappy lamp. There's a. It looks like crappy sheet. There's like a crappy fan. There's a crappy lamp. There's a. It looks like crappy sheet. It just looks. It looks like the bottom of the barrel, like, okay, these will check off the box of I have sheets, right, but that that no real effort was put into the decoration, the room, the quality. It's, it's a, it's a. It's a stop for him. It doesn't look like a destination go ahead, coach.

Speaker 3: 32:46

No, I would say yes, it feels that way. We're even. We shoot through the door frame, which I think also helps it to feel um, cramped, because we, you know it's a frame within a frame and we don't see the rest of the room. The fan is kind of in the frame. I think it's intended to feel like a peek in also, um, this may be in part because if you have a low budget, darkness can be your absolute fucking friend. Um, the room is very dark. I think there's all sorts of reasons to stress. You're trying to go to sleep or whatever, but it's only lit by that practical lamp light and so, in addition to you can kind of see that it's pretty sparse. There are a couple things on the wall, I suspect, hanging essentially where they were hanging, wherever he lived last, like this is not you know, um, but you can't see much, and I feel like that adds to this, this moment, the mystery of it for us, but also like the minimalist life he's living at home on his part I got the sense that he also has a window behind that woven tapestry and he was just trying to black out oh, maybe yeah, that

Speaker 4: 33:58

I don't know, I mean, that's sort of the way that my bedroom is set up. There's one window and I put the bed directly up against it. Then you get a nice breeze every once in a while in between the sub-zero winters and scorching summers, for like 45 minutes that breeze is sweet.

Speaker 2: 34:16

Oh yeah, 45 minutes a year. We have that in Boston too. It's a real great quality Four days of beautiful weather a year. So yes, coach makes a very good point about peeping uh through the doorframe and when, when directors do that uh and, and they edit it that way you want, uh, they're trying to give you the sense that you're seeing something that you might not otherwise see, or you're, you know, spying in on a personal moment. We saw this a lot with ted lasso. We saw this with Wayne. In this case, boss, you started to say, before I so rudely interrupted, that he was looking at some pamphlets. And walk us through what he's doing here.

Speaker 4: 34:56

Yes. So these are the welcoming packets, sort of of Al-Anon it's, you know, whichever family, whichever specific disease type your family member is experiencing. Oh also, I'm not sure we have listeners in other countries, those are who are possibly unfamiliar, even in the US, I should say. Al-anon is an offshoot of the AA program. It is for friends and family members and close loved ones of someone who has an addiction. So it is dealing with all the shit that comes with loving someone who's an addict. And you might be shocked to hear I'm familiar with such program.

Speaker 4: 35:38

So Al-Anon sort of coaches you through how to deal with them as they are in recovery, or if they're not in recovery, if they never got to recovery or anything else. The page that he looks at is the three obstacles to success in Al-Anon. So it gives you an idea about what you might be running into, an idea about what you might be running into, and then he it pans over to the do's and don'ts, sort of like what you should be expecting, and it says do forgive, do be honest with yourself, do be humble, do take it easy, do play, do keep doing the things that you're doing, do keep doing the things that you're doing and then after that. You can't read all of them, but essentially it's. Carmi is invested in this program. Like Matt told him to go to it, he finally decided to go to it. He is leaning into his change. He is not reticent to it the way that some of the other kitchen members are. He is trying to make things happen.

Speaker 3: 36:50

So I do want to toss in here and I didn't think about it quite this way until you just described him leaning into this work, as I've shared, I don't know three or 4,000 times here. I've been doing a lot of personal work the last few years, over the course of my life really, but over the last few years in an intensive way, and you know people call it the work. I've called it the work, but I don't know that I've ever shown the proper respect for the fact that it's work Like that. It takes energy that you can't just use otherwise. Yes, it makes your life better, but, to quote Dr Sharon, truth will set you free, but first it'll piss you off.

Speaker 3: 37:33

There's a lot in here, and so I'm excited for Carmi to be leaning in because I'm all about the healing. I'm also like I don't know how I feel about you adding a huge, huge amount and type of work to a plate, to use the metaphor that is already overflowing all over the place. Yep, and I want to call it out because I think sometimes, once people go through therapy or do this work, it's all like, oh, it's the best thing that ever happened in my life and yes, yes, yes, I will. I will share quickly and move on that. I spent a lot of my life with a fucking narration track going in my head pointing out everything I was fucking up, thought I might be fucking up, could have fucked up previously or might fuck up someday in the future. While I'm trying to conduct life with everyone else, that narrator is gone. I'm living a new existence, so when I'm saying this I am saying it from a place of seriousness.

Speaker 2: 38:49

It's much healthier, but for those of us that used to manipulate you based on those insecurities.

Speaker 3: 38:56

It's made it a lot harder, it's gotten tough, but you know, I look back at you know the last few months of the business and go, yeesh, you know, not exactly setting any Forbes records. But then I have to admit to myself like well, yeah, bro, I mean, you know what I'm saying. You've been doing trauma work Like, yeah, that had to get its due. No, you did not have excess energy for working out. You did your workout when you meditated on this issue.

Speaker 4: 39:26

Yeah, and I think a couple of things, the first of which is that therapy almost always does make you feel better. I would like to stipulate a lot of people think that therapy is something bad happened. I'm going to go to therapy, it's going to be fixed, and then things are going to be the way that it used to be. Very rarely is that the case. More often it is a something terrible happened case. More often, it is a something terrible happened. I'm gonna go to therapy and now I'm gonna feel much more comfortable living with that terrible thing like you don't.

Speaker 4: 40:01

You don't go back to before. It is just this. I understand my life in a better way now and this is how I'm gonna move forward, without all of the trauma or residual feelings or anything else, from that terrible thing. Like the terrible thing when you break your bone it heals. It doesn't go back to being unbroken. It is now a broken bone that has healed, and so I think people need to consider that a little bit more.

Speaker 2: 40:26

It is a therapy has yeah, I mean some some. Yes, I think it lands differently with different people yes, you have to be, you really have to be committed. Um, I had, I had a one of my children, uh, started therapy, which they really needed, and, um, and he was like um, he was saying, oh, therapy is synonymous with magic, so it's like, let's just therapy this away. Oh, if we talk about it enough and I'm like no, no, no, that's not that's not therapy.

Speaker 2: 40:58

No, therapy is you talk, you talk and then uh, and then you take action based on the new information.

Speaker 2: 41:05

If you just think, oh, a stranger will listen to me, bitch for a while and complain and then all my problems. Sometimes, yes, it does feel great to get things off of your chest and vocalize them. Sometimes people can do that with morning pages or journaling or things like that to get them out. Um, some people channel it into their art, some people channel it into their, their work, their personal work, um, whatever, whatever it is, whatever works for you, but it doesn't in and of itself the therapy process you have to be invested in and coach, yeah, you wisely point out, uh, I love that you're mindful, of course, because you're a coach and because you're you're so empathetic, you will notice jesus christ carmody's plate overfloweth, and here he's gonna add a whole other thing. But there's a, there is a. There's a real parallel between what, the opening scene, where he, where he does not have enough energy or time or ability to stop and control Richie and Sid and be a leader at the right way, and he doesn't have enough time in his life.

Speaker 2: 42:07

It's allegorical for what he's contending with in his personal life. And then so you step back and you, okay, you're his coach, does he take it on or does he not take it on? And I think most of the time you go, well, shit, yeah, he doesn't have. This is where perfection is the enemy of good. Yeah, he's probably not going to be able to do the things like the ideal form of therapy, but a lot of people might argue well, at least he's taking some, some initiative to make a change.

Speaker 2: 42:34

Um, I know, uh, my son was blown away when I I I told him much how much I've enjoyed therapy and Juliana, and you know, we think it's, we think it's great. Um, not just that, but also coaching and there's all different forms of personal, um, self-care, uh, but when I go to therapy I'll'll have a, like, a laundry list of like I'll I will be engaged in the process. I'll be like all right, here we go. So let's start with it. You know it's like I don't sit back and go and have the therapist go, okay, like, how do you feel? Like, all right, let's assume I feel shitty, let's assume everything is not at 100 and let's jump in.

Speaker 2: 43:10

Here are the things. Let's, let's, let's dissect these moments. Here's a breakthrough I had this week. Let's peel it apart. Whatever it is, it requires that engagement. Is Karmie going to have the wherewithal, is he even going to have the functional time in the day to optimize the Al-Anon experience? My guess is no. But even having said that, I still, uh, am a fan of the fact that he's he's even even backed into a corner. Yeah, that he's seeking to make a change in his world.

Speaker 3: 43:42

Yeah, I mean, I was acknowledging what I see as the reality of his situation. If the other option is, you know what, like booze it up, or you know like, if, like you know, sleep with every other woman, you see, like there's all, there's all sorts of like truly horrific and dangerous things to be at least leaning toward, how the heck do I do this in a healthy way? Yes, I, I, I, um, I. I definitely would encourage that. It's more for me.

Speaker 3: 44:10

It's really truly just more me going this poor bastard, like, like I said about this unrelenting like oh my god, now like you've got to do more work to heal so this shit show won't hurt so bad.

Speaker 4: 44:24

While you're going through the shit show, wow it becomes a question of can he afford to do it versus can he afford not?

Speaker 3: 44:33

to do it. That's right.

Speaker 4: 44:35

Because not only is it so, he's dealing with presumably Mikey's addiction Mikey who has died, so now he is running Mikey's restaurant.

Speaker 3: 44:47

It feels like I can't do this right now I'm dealing with too much While it also feels like, if I don't deal with it now, when Right, and and you know, not that we didn't know this going into this episode, not that I didn't know before, you just said it, but really taking a moment, this is not just a tricky homecoming, this is not just your brother Decided to take his own life or died by suicide is what I was searching for, but having to go to the essentially scene of the crime I don't know that actually happened here, but this is obviously Mikey's space and this is obviously part of the space where the spiral occurred and you know that is adding a shit ton, like losing either of my parents.

Speaker 3: 45:39

I went to a funeral and I flew back here and there was something about being back in my normal world that if I had had to stay in panama, you know, at my dad's place or whatever, I think it would have been very different. I just think it's just a lot. Every time I think about what is on here, I'm just like and we just keep, we're still piling shit on.

Speaker 4: 46:03

I noticed it's stakes, on stakes, on stakes.

Speaker 3: 46:05

Yeah.

Speaker 4: 46:06

Yeah, no, and it's. I think that that is exactly right. I love that you pointed that out. I have something similar to talk about in a little bit, but this is I think that it is very key also that, like matt, won't come into the restaurant, natalie doesn't feel comfortable, like there is something about it.

Speaker 4: 46:24

I know that it. Luckily this hasn't been the case for me, but I know a lot of kids who grow up in abusive households where once they're grown-ups, it's difficult for them to be around their siblings Cause they're like I don't, I don't know how to do this and not feel bad and weird. So it seems like Carmi and Mikey had some distance. It seems like the restaurant played a pretty big role in their family growing up. It seems like he tried to flee and then he was sucked back in because of the restaurant and his brother's death and his brother's addiction and figuring all the shit out. So yeah, it's, it's fucking unrelenting for him Like there. I don't think that he has a place right now that feels safe and comfortable, and so he's trying to force safety and comfort onto what he can, because what else are you going to do?

Speaker 2: 47:09

Hmm, else are you going to do? There's a quality that this show has and I credit Chris Storer for it which is it feels so authentic to me and I know I wasn't the only person that felt this way and here's what I mean Life is messy. One of my core principles is that anytime humans get involved with anything, it starts to get messy. Humans are messy, Emotions are messy, Motivations are messy.

Speaker 2: 47:43

The bear captures messiness almost unlike any other show before it. It captures the unkempt, unmade bed of life far better than most shows before it, and it spoils you in that it's the opposite of the curating and front facing dynamic that you get on social media, where it's like oh, look at my Instagram here's me and my perfect family here's me, and you're like oh, like you know, I guess that this is what the B was It'd be real, Is that? Is that the other app where I forget the name of it? I thought it was Be Real, but it's like it takes a picture of you wherever you are and it's like you can't. It takes a picture of what you're looking at, and then what's that app?

Speaker 4: 48:23

Oh, you're talking to the children.

Speaker 2: 48:25

I don't know anything about that it doesn camera and a back face so it shows you and the thing you're doing. But like you can't, you can't like fake it. It's it's meant to uh, counter this curated nature of of instagram and and uh and similar sites. So there, there is this messy dynamic that I personally relate to because I've never subscribed to. Let's have like a perfect family, let's have like a perfect existence, let's, you know, white picket fence and and everything is great. Everything is great. Um, I've been recommended boss, have you? I'm not gonna ask, coach, because he's he's way behind on shows. I'll put it out there, coach, but, um, boss, have you watched the recent dark matter show on Apple TV? Uh, at all.

Speaker 4: 49:09

Dark matter. Why did I hear about that? Tell me, yeah, this is. This is like the time when I uh watched so many supernatural scandinavian murder mysteries right when I went to look, when I was like, oh, what's this one about? And I pulled it up and, uh, one of the top results was a review that I wrote about it. I was like oh fuck all right.

Speaker 3: 49:30

I guess I did like this. That's awesome.

Speaker 2: 49:33

I fucking. This one stars Joel Edgerton and Jennifer Connelly.

Speaker 4: 49:38

Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 2: 49:41

And so I started it. I was watching the Bear and then started the series and it opens with them. They're a married couple. I'm such a Jennifer Connelly fan that it's like you know it's like almost, almost, like like I'll throw down Sure, you suggest anything? Craig too Also. I'd be very interested to hear what he thought about this. He did not watch it.

Speaker 2: 50:05

Yeah, yeah. Well, this is the least believable Jennifer Connelly I've ever seen and I'm sure it gets better. But when you open, it's this it's a morning before school, okay, and then you see these two characters and they're like it's calm. It's like, oh, hey, I made you a coffee babe. It's like, hey, great, the kid is talking at the table. He's like got one-liners and stuff and he talks in an adult way and he's super cool with his parents. He's an only kid, only child, but he's super cool with his parents and they're like I love you and I love you. And I'm like I don't know, like what is this? What is this? And I know people are like they swear by it. It's the number two show on Apple right now, I think, right after Presumed Innocent, which is the Jake Gyllenhaal new one.

Speaker 4: 50:53

Also a Chicago show, dark Matter and Presumed Innocent, and the Bear Chicago's really showing up this year. Wow, you're right.

Speaker 2: 51:01

Yes, that's right, dark Matter was Chicago as well, but anyway, you don't get that. It never has that. You might say, hey, listen, I'm not this crazy, but you can relate to the fact that humans are crazy. You can relate to the fact that humans are messy, and it's not. I say crazy from a frenetic standpoint, not from a mental instability standpoint. Things just get hectic and it's a little nuts on the bear. And notice, as we pivot to this next scene. They gave us the luxury, practical luxury, of dissolving to the sleeping and then awakening scene with Carmi, but it's a hard cut. We see him look at pamphlets and then we go from a dark sort of very, very lightly lit pamphlet insert and it's Carmi smashing into the kitchen. We see Manny and Angel working in the background. Uh, good morning chefs. Uh, and he's, you know, kind of looks like he hasn't slept. Yo, carmy, what are you doing here so early? Marcus says I could not sleep. Uh, he goes into the uh locker room. He notices that marcus is doing what here, coach?

Speaker 3: 52:14

Sorry, sorry, sorry, the mute was doing some weird things, all right, no, no, it's fine. Marcus is hanging pictures. It's a button, coach, you just hit it.

Speaker 2: 52:21

You just hit the button.

Speaker 3: 52:23

Oh God.

Speaker 2: 52:23

Okay, there we go, all you have to do is yeah, you just use that finger there, oh hey one of y'all kids come fix the computer. Odessa. What are them kids doing? Sounds like that Apple TV ad, I mean the Amazon Fire TV thing, where the old people are like the kids are fine, the kids are just playing, they are kids. I don't know about that.

Speaker 3: 52:48

Anyway, keep it up. No, but Marcus is hanging pictures of different plates and desserts and all sorts of fancy things and we learn quickly that it is from Carmi's book, in a way that this does remind me of ted lasso finding little ways to show people buying it. We're a little past season, you later, right, but this is yes, this is respect, right, like this, like he's gone in a couple episodes from you can burn a little to oh, you told me that water shit, it really made the bread. You know, it's made my bread go up a level To. Now he's like if not, you're my hero. Certainly I aspire to get to where you are. One thing I'm enjoying about Marcus in this moment and in the buying in I get the sense that he's like oh, you're saying I could be an artist, yes, and I think he's really kind of like liking that idea. Like he's like oh, I thought I just had a job.

Speaker 4: 54:09

I didn't know I was going to be an artist, and so I think this is a great visual for that yeah, and I think, to go along with my theory of the show, I would say that Richie, tina, to a little bit Ibram, although not as much, but the ones that were closest to Mikey, and they were for the longest have the hardest time changing. I think that makes sense. I think Marcus, being like the guy in the back that were closest to Mikey and they're for the longest, have the hardest time changing. I think that makes sense. I think Marcus, being like the guy in the back that was making bread, who who knows how long he's been here I'm not saying that he didn't like Mikey, but I don't know it feels like he is more Danny Rojas than Roy Kent, like he is new and ready to change.

Speaker 3: 54:52

I think and I know we touched on this, I'll linger on it but I do feel again like he's also. He's, yes, he's open to change, but he's open as much he's open to possibility, like there's something from tina richie to a certain degree, I think that's why, you know, we had the whole conversation around aggressive, you know, and that whole thing in the car. And when did he say that? When when she said you know we could be, the restaurant could be really good. I, I feel like they can't even wrap their mind around aspiring to that, Like that's not us. It's back to the lady with the club in New Haven saying you wouldn't have believed you were in New Haven to me.

Speaker 3: 55:39

Whereas he's like New Haven's, a place like any other place. We could build a nice club here. I guess he's open to the possibility.

Speaker 2: 55:49

Yeah, no, I love that. And in Ted Lasso it was called out more clearly. So ted and and beard show up and they say if we're gonna have success we have to go through that man's mind right there. Like that's that we have to get in his mind right, what we're getting with marcus is it's exciting, it's uh, once something. You cannot force someone to think a different way, but once they do Right, it's exciting. Like what's happening with Marcus is fucking exciting and so we watch it. It kind of goes getting flashbacks and Marcus said I copied them out of your books and what he's done is made a literal vision board on the wall of his, of his cubicle for lack of a better word, this is his office space right yeah yeah, yeah, great call.

Speaker 2: 56:36

And it's an outlook thing, it's a. Marcus knew he was a forklift driver right before Carmi showed up. And then Carmi shows up and says, yes, but since you're a professional driver, you can also drive a race car. And Marcus is like, wait what? You're a driver right, and a minute ago it feels like he was like, no, these are not hard enough. Whatever, and he was. He was chirping at carmy about putting the, the pan of water in the oven, right, and those days like feel like ancient history. Now we're only three episodes in, but the marcus we know now is um, he is uh, what's what's? He's manifesting his, his, like his hopes into his personal workspace.

Speaker 2: 57:20

So I have a friend who always puts abundance and um, joy and things in their passwords because they want to manifest that sort of, that sort of feeling and they're like I type passwords all the time and I was like just get a password manager.

Speaker 2: 57:38

You don't have. No, no, no, no, no. I want to type abundance and I want to type closeness, whatever they have a series of things, but there's that school of thought of putting this out in the world, you know, makes it more available to you. So, watching the the we've only seen that transition happen with marcus recently, but it's exciting. It's exciting to watch. And he says he copied him, copied them out of your books and we had watched him sort of roll some dough. He goes if it's too much, I'll take it down, like you know, maybe, know, maybe it's whatever. He's like, no, no, like it looks good. And we get these insert shots of all the different things, right, and these are like. These are like world-class desserts. They may very well be regular desserts, that everybody. I'm not a dessert maker by any stretch of the imagination, but I look at those and I go. This requires some skill.

Speaker 3: 58:32

Yeah, it certainly seems like it's meant to communicate that. Yeah, this is not.

Speaker 2: 58:36

Right.

Speaker 3: 58:37

This is not from like a Duncan Hines cookbook that you got with the brownie special.

Speaker 2: 58:46

Right and he puts them up on his wall as aspirational things. He says he notices the colors Right, which is like whoa, it's not just the yeah, it's not. They look delicious. He says he notices the colors Right, which is like whoa, it's not just the.

Speaker 3: 58:55

Yeah, it's not that he looks delicious, he's starting to get it.

Speaker 2: 58:58

Yeah, yeah, he's doing the breakdown. We have a friend who takes songs. He'll take songs that you've heard before, all the songs you've known your whole life, and he'll break them up into. Okay, let's start. We're going to lay down the bass track. Now we're going to add the drums and he'll tell you the history of these drums. Let me tell you about the drummer that put these in and he'll go piece by piece and he'll assemble the song.

Speaker 2: 59:20

So a song that you've listened to your whole life. You never heard all of these elements to it and you didn't know that these two guys were brothers, or this guy got this, or, oh, he was trained by this, uh, r&b artist. You just go, oh my god, I'll put the link to his stuff. Um, it's fascinating because he breaks them down live, uh, and I don't, and he doesn't have an archive. So he's like if you catch him, you catch him, and if you don't, you're out of luck. It's the. It's a very old school sort of vibe. Um, but that's kind of what marcus is starting to do. He says I was looking at the colors and he goes. It gets me thinking and that's the thing that really jumped out when he says, oh my god, marcus was somewhere thinking about this. Right, this is the roy kent moment where he goes, you're in his brain, he really is invested and that's like, that's exciting for for when you're, when you're trying to uh instill some transition to a team, uh to see that sort of movement.

Speaker 3: 1:00:13

Yeah, sorry, I'm over here nodding, I agree, yeah, I did the same thing.

Speaker 4: 1:00:18

I was so shocked that we agreed with about everything that I'm speechless.

Speaker 2: 1:00:23

Well, there's, there's a. We see Sid come in morning chef and, and, and Karmie is like his. His sight lands on this one particular dessert. Okay, and I'm not going to belabor what what goes into this dessert, but it's preposterous. Preposterous from an outsider's perspective and brilliant from an outsider's perspective it is. It is almost like the the.

Speaker 2: 1:00:46

This is when you don't understand something. You know like uh, you see, uh, every, every business, every career has these. I've mentioned before about my. I brought up forklifts already. It's weird, but my dad and I making a delivery years ago and my dad and I just waiting for this delivery guy to stop working, and he was working at forklift and we were blown away by like he never wasted a movement, he was just doing this ballet. And anytime you see excellence in the work or in real life, it's something to take a look at. And if you don't know the ins and outs of the culinary industry, to hear Carmi start to explain that it takes 12, you're not hearing that wrong 12 people to prep a single dessert, right, you go. Okay, this is. I don't understand. As a layman, I don't understand this. But he kindly goes into it. He talks about the four different plum dishes. One of them is you have to make a syrup and you have. It's a two-person job because you got to watch it for 12 hours. Another one you have to make a thing where you have to keep stirring it or else it'll burn. You cannot stop stirring, and so it's all of these elements and they can never get the the consistency to the satisfaction of the chef. Um, there's some flashbacks in, but it's there, they're okay.

Speaker 2: 1:02:03

How did you guys relate to? It's a side of carmen we really haven't seen. We know he has this background, but how often has he he's trying to implement a? Yes, chef, uh hands. You know the has this background, but how often has he he's trying to implement a? Yes, chef, uh hands. You know the things that he says, but how? How often has he given you an inside story, one-on-one, into his experience? And I was like, wow, this is a teaching moment. He's like he's taking the time to stop and interact with one person, which is very rare for him, right To this point anyway in the show, and he really breaks it down in crazy detail. And did you guys notice that at all? Did you notice the difference?

Speaker 3: 1:02:42

Yeah, yeah, no, I definitely noticed his energy change, and I think he's a little taken back, that there's genuine interest, right, cause it's been a lot of like hands my ass, right, so like, like, just attitude wise. So I think the energy that he's getting from Marcus throws him off a bit and it reminds him like, ultimately. What I do love, though, is after the 12 people have done their work that's what it looks like, you know what I mean. I think it brings him back to, oh, like he might have been walking in here thinking what the fuck have I done with my life, and this is a reminder that like, no, no, no, this is what I do. It's going to be sandwiches now, but this is what I do. It's gonna be sandwiches now, but this is what I do.

Speaker 4: 1:03:33

Right there, I make art yeah, he's geeking out about his own profession a little bit, like every once in a while I will say to a loved one I'm sorry, I need to tell you about accounting, and then I'll have to tell them about accounting like having somebody share their passion, even when their passion is fucking lame, if there is something about that and he is acknowledging the amount of effort that goes into serving one dish that somebody's going to eat in five or seven minutes and then it's going to be gone. 12 hours worth of work is going to disappear in 10 minutes right and that's why you do it, even like this is.

Speaker 4: 1:04:08

This is what he's talking about. Um, he's talking about how a sous chef spent a year trying to figure out how to get the consistency of the gummy right and how important that was, and then he just hit it, and then it just like everything falls into place, and then he plated that dish for a solid year.

Speaker 3: 1:04:25

Right, right. It's interesting to watch the two characters who I feel like we've been clearest, have been, at least theoretically, on the same page in terms of like the us them of all. This has been Sid and Carmi, both from you know the land of fancy restaurants. Come to the sandwich shop and she comes in still in us versus them mode, but she's walked into a conversation in a moment that is not us versus them and so she seems very, she seems very out of sync to me here in real time. When I was watching the episode I was like, oh, her energy's off, like her energy is off to what else is going on. Right now she's coming in as if she's walking into the same kitchen she walked out of yesterday. She's put her armor back on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but she's not. It's a new kitchen, but she can't know that it's super subtle, but it's a new kitchen.

Speaker 2: 1:05:25

Or at least this part of the kitchen right now. Right, well, yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:05:30

But I think she hasn't experienced the embrace Only Carmi has.

Speaker 2: 1:05:38

Yeah, so she knows that it's veal fat. That was the trick for the Haribo gummies.

Speaker 3: 1:05:45

One other thing on that, by the way. I think it's funny they're facing opposite ways. Now I actually think this was more intentional. I thought I just noticed a thing. It's funny they're facing opposite ways. Now I actually think this was more intentional. I thought I just noticed a thing. There's the thing in coaching where they say they won't care how much you know until they know how much you care, and I think we're watching that in real time.

Speaker 3: 1:06:08

Right, she says it's real fat over her shoulder, turns back around. This is not a conversation. It's just me establishing that I know the answer to the question. I know how to make that gummy texture, but you know it's not a moment with Marcus. It's not about what it was like to try for a year to get it perfect. It's not about that sous chef. It's not about any of that. It's just question answer, question answer. The humanity part not to get ahead. But I think the humanity part is going to be what makes it possible to bring all that hands corner right, all that into this space in a way that speaks to these people. These people are not neck-up people. This is gut emotion, how things feel to me. I don't like you and your little notebook. I don't know what you're writing in a notebook, which makes it fucking worse. Fuck you and your little mystery notebook. You know I mean like it's like, that's how they, that's how they get down. So this is gonna be.

Speaker 2: 1:07:15

This feels like it's gonna be big oh they, they certainly present as not neck up people. But the exciting part of this is now that marcus has sort of opened his mind to it. Uh, now he's, now he's thinking. He says I gets me thinking, and you say like, oh, I've now, carmy has somehow connected his passion with his mind and so so it gives him. There's just so so far further than mark than mark that that Marcus can go than he originally thought.

Speaker 3: 1:07:43

But I think yes, and I think the order matters. I don't think he thought about all this and then got excited and went and found the book. I think he felt an excitement that led him to look at the book, that led him to put up the pictures, that led to this conversation, and now he can talk about the thinking part, right, but the driver is not the thinking part for him here.

Speaker 2: 1:08:13

You see what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whereas I think for Sid it is right now.

Speaker 3: 1:08:18

And for Karmie, that's how he's been showing up, even though that's not the truth of him.

Speaker 2: 1:08:23

There's something to be said for the sensei character and Karmie has a. I have an 18-year-old who just got her first customer service job and she has been getting lit up by rude people. And she's like what is the? Point of this? Why is you know what I mean? She's just working at these big events and you know it's like she's got to help.

Speaker 3: 1:08:45

I had no idea she was working there, so I'll keep that in mind going forward.

Speaker 2: 1:08:52

You're the person that's been lighting her up.

Speaker 3: 1:08:54

Well, I'll tell you one goddamn thing Hang on now.

Speaker 2: 1:08:59

She's like you would not believe how rude people are, you know. And she's like what good does this do me? I'm just getting abused. I was like now you know? Like now you can say practically Confucius would say I believe it's, I hear and I forget, I see and I remember, I do and I understand. You have an understanding of what this is because you've done it and you hear carmy talk about it. It's like a.

Speaker 2: 1:09:27

Under normal circumstances this would sound like a humble brag, right, but he's, it's just yeah, it's just brass tacks with him and he knows every step of it and you believe with all of your being, this dude knows how to make this like, he knows it intimately Right, and there's no ego to it. There's no you know, bragger, braggery or sort of braggadocio about, about his ability to do it, because he's a veteran. He's done this thing and I think, marcus, it's good to have that sense of character where you can be like, oh, like he really is a fount of wisdom, and that's a good dynamic between the two of them.

Speaker 3: 1:10:05

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:10:06

So. So Sid is sort of watching everything he offers to get somebody on the high shelf for Sydney. She's like, no, I got it. And he says, all right, hey, sid, can I talk to you in my office Now? They head in there and he lays down the. He just like, listen, it's just the two of them in his office. Last week was a nightmare. Sid says, yes, I agree, right, so we have to stop it. All right, like we got to. I think it's going to get. I think it's going to get worse if we don't. He has to pause in the middle of the talk to ask Ibra, what? What is he asking here, boss, about? He picks up a can of San Marzano tomatoes, and what is it? What does he ask about?

Speaker 4: 1:10:49

uh, is there any reason that Mikey was ordering the number of 10 of these? And he says English carmy? And he says, okay, uh, these are the 28 ounces. Right, so why wasn't Michael buying number 10s, which are 102 ounces? And which is his role is? I'm trying to figure out it. Like he says in the first episode, I'm trying to figure out how Michael is handling things. I want to get you your money. Why the fuck was Mikey doing this?

Speaker 2: 1:11:16

Like you, buy bulk is cheaper to buy in bulk.

Speaker 4: 1:11:18

Everybody knows that it's it's cheaper to buy in bulk, and also I I thought it was an excellent way of showing that, as much as michael was trying to keep things under wraps and keep things going, he was making stupid mistakes. Is this because you didn't have the money to buy in bulk, because it would cost more? Like what was happening? Was this? Was this a conscious decision? Was this, uh, or was this just? Things got dark at the end right, I mean, yeah, I mean.

Speaker 3: 1:11:47

My sense from the conversation that we we were privy to is that mikey might have had other expenditures other than tomatoes that might have been impacting his spending choices we're definitely going to get there.

Speaker 2: 1:12:01

What does Ibrahim say in response to this question?

Speaker 3: 1:12:04

I loved this line Again. Relentless I mean unrelenting, which I think is different than relentless. But it made me again go. God damn, what was going on with Michael? How was he acting? The more I learn about Michael, the less I understand. That's a very interesting thing to say about somebody.

Speaker 4: 1:12:26

I mean it's okay, and also from somebody that presumably knew michael pretty well, like had been there for a long time, he's saying only now am I figuring out all the shit that I didn't know about him when I worked with him for years yeah, it's very interesting, so he says rest in peace, young man.

Speaker 2: 1:12:39

And then he, and then he pieces out um yeah out he goes.

Speaker 2: 1:12:43

The reason carie's asking him is because Ibra does a lot of the vegetable prep and so he might know. You know that's the reason why it was him and not somebody else. Karmie is back to talking to Sid after Ibrahim heads back to the kitchen and she's like what do you have in mind? He says sorry. He says old school brigade, you run it. And that means very little to layman. I don't know what that means. Brigade seems like a military term to me. But that lands with a decided lack of enthusiasm from Sid and especially the you run it. And what does she say to that boss? Respectfully no, yeah, respectfully no, big sigh. He says you told me that's what you wanted. She says no, I said I wanted to do more. Phones are ringing. She says I said I wanted to do more. I didn't say I wanted to run a Russian gymnastics program.

Speaker 3: 1:13:42

I laughed at that. That made me laugh, yeah, because I was like that's oh no, she's being set up. He's not consciously setting her up. But as soon as she said why she was pushing back, I was like, oh great, now the new one with the notebook's gonna be barking orders at everybody all day great, yeah, we right, yes, so the phone rings.

Speaker 2: 1:14:05

Carmy misses it. Just he's trying to juggle everything again. The energy in this room is he's trying to talk to her. He's outlining a strategic plan based on her. Um, it's not based on it, but in what he believes is in alignment with her, bringing up the writing, the report and saying we need to make some changes. He feels like he's now making a conscious choice on this level, but he also has to talk about kansas, of whatever, and he has to answer the goddamn phone. The phone's ringing is like if you're busy and phones are ringing and nobody's picking him up, it can do something. The auditory sort of repetitive thing, can make people.

Speaker 2: 1:14:48

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:14:49

But one thing I'd like to highlight here, though, is she did hand him a report long enough that page 27 didn't seem to be near the end. And it was in the middle.

Speaker 3: 1:15:02

Yep didn't seem to be near the end and it was in the middle, yep. And somehow in all of that he managed to come up with a workflow recommendation that did not come from what is at least 54 pages, and I think that struck me here. I was like I don't know what she told you was the answer, but the face on her face is telling me it ain't this. So I thought it was really interesting, because he then kind of puts it back on her Like this is what you wanted, right? It's like I gave you 54 fucking pages of what I wanted. I don't know why you're confused. So I thought, yeah, as soon as she said the Russian gymnastics uh, gymnastics thing, I was like oh god, this is gonna be a nightmare yeah, he says it's about creating a better workflow.

Speaker 2: 1:15:50

You're used to that. She's like oh, it doesn't mean. I liked it, did you? He's like it's a start. It's a start, it's. She's like it's a, it's a. What does she say boss? It's a start. Yeah, she says it's a mistake. Yeah, he's like it'll help. She's like it'll create a toxic hierarchical shit show and he's like what is it now? What is it now? She's like it's a. What does she say, boss?

Speaker 4: 1:16:15

it's a, it's a shit show. Uh, but with a different type of system, I. But with that type of system I'd have even less of a voice.

Speaker 2: 1:16:23

He's like yeah, she says you'd have even more of a headache at the end of the day. We can do it differently. He's like I can't keep yelling at everybody all day. Yeah, so they're saying the same thing in a lot of ways, but it's just a procedural approach. Yeah, and this is why leadership matters, because if you're a decision maker, you really hope. You hope the decision makers are making the final decisions. Uh, are making good ones, because you have to live with them as an employee.

Speaker 3: 1:16:54

Go ahead, coach but I think this also points us back to the capacity issue. Right, yes, I mean again having Right, yes, I mean again having worked on living, living more healthy of massive debt that he just sort of walked into, the chances that he, from this place, is going to come up with the creative solution that brings it all together here and now. I mean that that that would be the miracle, that would be the actual miracle, not even the execution of it. His ability to think through, in all this chaos, a real answer. I would be like. Well, he must be a genius then. It's a lot to ask, given what he's up against.

Speaker 2: 1:18:01

What percentage of this do you think is a bad idea in and of itself, empirically a bad idea, and what percentage of it is sydney feeling like it's? It's a bad idea for me specifically.

Speaker 3: 1:18:15

Oh, I'm gonna get the short end of it yeah, I'd go 70, 30 just bad, and then maybe 30, that like is just going.

Speaker 4: 1:18:26

I don't want bullshit here.

Speaker 3: 1:18:29

It strikes me as like not the fucking answer. Yeah, sorry.

Speaker 4: 1:18:35

Yeah, that's really interesting to me because I don't think of it as being a no, no, no, no, no. I definitely. What I think of it as being is there is not an option of like it's sort of right but sort of not right. For me it is either this fits or it does not. This might work in a hundred kitchens, but if it doesn't work in this kitchen, it has a zero percent chance, and I think that that is I understand where she's coming from with that yes it doesn't matter if this is how, if fucking french laundry runs, this is not the french laundry, it's not gonna work here yes and I and I'll toss in.

Speaker 3: 1:19:11

Uh, you know it's it's part plug, but seriously, in terms of the work I do on strategy, you want to align who you are, where you are and where you want to go, and this answer maybe takes where you are in the consideration. I would say not fully, because if you think putting sydney in the position of being the one barking the order orders is going to bring this kitchen together, I question your judgment there. But this is certainly it's not even aligned to where they want to go. His answer is like no, no, no, this is the first step. I'm like I don't know. It's hard to create a hierarchical first step to get to a flat organization or to get to an inclusive. You know what I mean. If you're going in a direction, you need to go in that direction. If I want to get to Canada, I would think I'd have to have a pretty good excuse for heading toward Mexico first. That's South and North for those who don't give a shit, and you shouldn't.

Speaker 2: 1:20:14

Well, listen, you know, just as a viewer, I go, okay, here's what I don't know, here's what I don't know. I'm at the whim of the acting by sort of whatever Jeremy Allen White and Io Debris are going to present to me as actors. I'm vulnerable to it because I don't know what the other options are. So if you said, okay, soccer, hey, in ted lasso, we go. Hey, let's do a four, four, four, three, three. Or, wait, we, let's do a three, five, two, or let's do a four, two, three, one or a four, four, two, right, you say like, okay, those are the options. I don't know what the options are. He says an old school brigade and she has a like a visceral response to that I'm like what are the other options, like, what are the how else right right, right right I don't know right for all I'm reading.

Speaker 2: 1:21:05

I just don't know.

Speaker 2: 1:21:06

I'm sure chefs can watch this and be like, well, there's this and there's this and there's this but I don't know what those are as a layman, yeah, um, so what I'm reading is for me, it seemed like sid's biggest protest was around her involvement in something that she didn't think would work. She was thinking to the future and how it's going to land with her and what it'll mean personally for her, and it seems like she's got a lot of the heavy lifting to do and he's expecting a tremendous amount for her in asking, and that's what I took away from it.

Speaker 3: 1:21:39

Well, I just thought of this and I'm curious what you think. To me, this is Carmi's organizational development version of the napkins in the vent. It's not a real solution. It's a stopgap. I got to stop yelling. Oh, I got to stop yelling. Therefore, let's do this other system. Well, I don't really think that system's a good idea. Yeah, but it's not this. Really, all I want to change it to is not motherfucking this and she's saying but that's not going to work. He's like it might work. It might not motherfucking work, but it's not motherfucking this. So we're going to try.

Speaker 3: 1:22:17

Yeah.

Speaker 4: 1:22:19

And this I you know, having a background in nonprofit I have been in situations where the businesses have said like we can't keep doing things this way. And I'm like, okay, but what you're presenting isn't going to work either. And they're like well, we know that this is wrong. We have to take a gamble on this and I'm like I wasn't sure, if it felt like I.

Speaker 4: 1:22:39

What I believe is that Sydney was not trying to duck responsibility. I do not get the feeling that she was like I don't want to be in charge or I don't want to have to live up to the standard or do whatever else.

Speaker 4: 1:22:49

Yeah, I think that she was telling him we can jump out of. This is going to be a terrible pun. We can jump out of the pan and into the fire, but the fire is still going to burn the shit out of us. Like I think that he is saying we can't stay here and she is saying we can't go there, and both of them are kind of right.

Speaker 3: 1:23:08

That's yes, like we cannot continue this way and this is a bad idea. Okay.

Speaker 4: 1:23:14

And this is a bad this is where we are.

Speaker 2: 1:23:15

Yeah, okay, yeah, and we're going to and we'll see, and we'll see, I mean, we will see. I, coach, I don't read it as much of a like the type of you know greasy napkins in the wall. That seems like a true you know sort of mickey mouse you know rigging up.

Speaker 4: 1:23:33

Okay, they weren't greasy when they put them in there, though there were plenty dry when they went in.

Speaker 2: 1:23:38

Solid point. Solid point, yes, um, but could? This is at least a. I think it could work. I think this could be an end game, is what he's thinking? We're going to run the brigade, we'll see how that works, and then, but at least if they, it's like it's Camelot, it's in, it's installing some level, it's not, it's not the, the, the Knights of the Roundtable, but it is establishing a series of accepted laws or accepted practices as a group, which in and of itself, defines the group, that we're a group and we're a team and we will be doing this. Um, I can't wait to get to the uh, the next beat of this, which is I thought coach was gonna, we're not going to make it there today, but when they passed out the aprons, coach, I was like oh, they get their uniforms.

Speaker 3: 1:24:28

It's like a legitimate, it's like getting your kit, yeah, and there's some telling, yeah. Anyway, there's some really interesting character stuff around that I do want to toss in. Sometimes, though, it is a leader's job, like I get, I've outlined that. I see why Karmie's like listen, like I just need this shit to stop, and I think we've all been that way in our at some point in our lives, whether it's just taking the damn smoke detector down, whatever, like there's just moments in life that you're like no, this isn't a good solution, but this shit's got to stop, motherfucking now. Right, I get that part, but it makes the way he did. This reminds me of um. It was a kid, you know a game with kids, but, as you know, I think the same shit pop warner works in the nfl, if you really pay attention.

Speaker 3: 1:25:18

But anyway, we were playing a team and, without getting into the details of this, I may have told this one on here before they were taking advantage of the kind of zone we were playing as football and they were just there's a way I knew it was there, but the other coach very clearly knew it was there, and they were beg, beg, beg. Like you will get out of this defense, we are going to crush you right Like fuck. So I have some guys on the sideline with me, some who always coach with me, some who are at the program and just are there that day and whatever. And several guys are like Coach, you got to play the men, you got to play the men, you got to play the men. I was like nah, nah, nah, nah. And then finally I turned to them. I was like we can't play them, man. First of all, I haven't taught these kids how to play man. Second of all, they got the horses, by which I meant they have better athletes than us. Our athletes can't keep up with them. That's part of why I put them in a zone in the first place. That's not a real answer. Now we came up with a real answer. It was one of my proudest coaching moments because I was like I totally just made that all up just now, go do it. And the kids did it and it worked. We won a playoff game. Hell yeah, I was like all right, we're going to roll the safeties up, we're going to drop the safeties back, you're going to be in the hole right there with the receiver. And they were all like okay, coach. And they went and did it and we went um, it was awesome, um.

Speaker 3: 1:26:46

But I bring it up because I think a lot of times the instinct to say, oh, zone's not working, we've got to go, man, but you're not assessing the actual situation that is in front of you right now, like coaches heard me. There's a whole thing about analytics in sports and I have a whole rant that I'll spare you all from, but the, the, the TLDR on it is. If I wanted Watson to coach the fucking team, I could have plugged that motherfucker in. What I want is for you to take all that information and apply it to this specific game at this specific time. We're not doing 10 000 simulations of this motherfucking game. We're playing in this game right now and so to me, as well intentioned as it is, this is car me going zone don't work, let's play man. Well, they don't know how to play man. We ain't equipped to play man. Like what do you like? This is not a real answer. You, it's just like do something else. And I get that. That happens sometimes, but she seems pretty clear.

Speaker 2: 1:27:52

This is going to be a catastrophe but I'm it's funny we're just reading it so differently uh, I this this as a? Uh, as a white man, I know that I have spent a God like the vast portion of my life completely unaware of my privilege. And when I see Carmi give her this job she's doing the math she's like shit. I'm already getting friction. I'm already the new girl. I'm already younger than most people. I'm already younger than most people. I'm already shorter than most people. I'm already you know like. We have a couple of friends who Ivy league degrees, a husband and wife. They both went to to same school as coach. And what was that school coach? Where'd you go again, was it?

Speaker 3: 1:28:41

Or to Yale yes, oh, yale, right, yeah, yale.

Speaker 2: 1:28:43

Yeah, coach, and uh, what was that school coach? Where'd you go again, was it? Or to yale? Yes, oh, yale, right, yeah, yale, yeah, I just want to make sure I had it right. Um, two yale grads, um, and dad is cuban, mom is mexican. They have two brilliant, amazing kids. Uh, that I love. And I was talking to the daughter and she's like we lit our parents up, like last week. I was like what they're like? Great parents, you know. So, yeah, we lit them up.

Speaker 2: 1:29:07

I said why, she's like, because they didn't tell us what our brownness meant to the world. I was like. I was like, okay, like, tell me more. You know, she's like. They were like if you work hard and you're nice to everybody, don't give anybody a reason. Whatever things are going to work out and and by and large they did for these, these kids are super capable, um, but they're like that's not enough. That's not enough. I had to be more prepared for the culture shock and the and the realization.

Speaker 2: 1:29:38

But and I think there's an element of this, with Sid right here where it's like you know, jeremy Allen, that's not his character, it's it's Carmi saying, hey, do this, but he's not necessarily doing every little bit of the arithmetic that is going to factor into Sid sort of taking over. He says I'll do, I'll do all the business, you do everything else, or whatever I'll do, dial in all the business, whatever that that means. I don't know what it means, right, but he's like you do everything else. And she knows what that means better than we do as an audience. And that's where I'm sensing a lot of the, the hesitation or the reluctance on her part, because she can do the math ahead of time in a way that maybe carm is not not equipped to, because he might not be aware of his own privilege or you know what, his whiteness or maleness, how that affects certain dynamics in the kitchen. Okay, uh, coach has just received a Biggie Smalls, his, his dog. How, how, how much does Biggie weigh here, coach?

Speaker 2: 1:30:39

Uh, I believe he's still nine pounds, although I would nine you weigh here coach uh, I believe he's still nine pounds although I would actually nine, nine whole pound.

Speaker 3: 1:30:48

What a nine whole pound, just just just ferocious as the way is long.

Speaker 2: 1:30:50

Yeah, isn't he supposed to be around seven coach? I mean what?

Speaker 3: 1:30:53

do you know? I I definitely if. If daphne weren't here, he'd be 20 pounds by now.

Speaker 2: 1:30:58

I'm just like oh, look at his face. Just give him more food.

Speaker 3: 1:31:00

I'm just like oh, look at his face, Just give him more food. Look at his poor face.

Speaker 2: 1:31:05

He is a beautiful dog. What breed of dog is he?

Speaker 3: 1:31:07

again, coach, maltese. It's a mix and I forget Daphne did find out some of the details of that but mostly Maltese. Yeah, and as I shared, I'm a little dog guy who knew, who knew?

Speaker 2: 1:31:24

That's my speed, it's my, that's my jam well, that signals the the end of today's episode. Um, I want to. When we come back, uh, for part two, we will be, we'll have the, the, the rolling out of the brigade system and uh, but it's, it's, it's heavy duty, it's going to take some time to go over, so we'll save it for next time. It's going to be going to be a lot of fun to go over that. And, yes, I'm very excited about the passing out of the aprons slash kits, because I love, I love what that sort of entails. Coach, where do people find you if they want to find you?

Speaker 3: 1:32:07

come through. We align, that's wealignalignpcom, and we've been doing. In particular. I'm going to highlight something for you. If you come on in, there are Alignful videos and they're about five minutes each. They're meditations and I do sort of have my real take on these things. So it's not all wind chimes and uh, it's a little a little more, a little more rugged for those of us living in the real world. So check out the alignful videos and all the other content. But we're really we're really putting a lot of work out there and getting stuff out every day.

Speaker 2: 1:32:38

Love it, Uh boss, what about you?

Speaker 4: 1:32:40

Um, you can get me uh, on threads at emilychambers.31 or at Blue Sky, which is Emily underscore Chambers. Also, probably most importantly, on the community site. If you become a subscriber and support the podcast, you could get me yelling at Castleton but then also explaining things a little more delicately. Sometimes the swearing came down to a reasonable level and that information can all be found in the show notes. As little as $3 a month you can listen to me yell at people. It's really a bargain. My boyfriend has had to put in 18 years.

Speaker 2: 1:33:21

Yeah, no, no, it's fun. Listen, listen. Fans of the show will love to hear me get beat up by boss. It's been happening for years. It's part of what we do um, and then sometimes I will look over at coach hopefully to see if I'll get an assist or some backup, and he's just like no, he's so he's so, he's so.

Speaker 3: 1:33:41

He's so scarred buttercups that even when I say I see both points, he just continues to say that I'm only supporting Boss. He's just wounded at this point.

Speaker 4: 1:33:52

He's a broken man.

Speaker 2: 1:33:55

I came in, I recruited Coach thinking he'd have my back and Boss just stole it like a body snatcher. Yeah, he just stole him right from my grasp. Yeah, it just she just stole them right right from my grasp. Yep, okay, yeah, thank you, I, yeah, I, I do love the note to support us. Please consider joining the community. If you've just found us and are enjoying our talks about the bear, this will continue ad nauseum and we, we will just uncover every little beat of this story and the show. We're very excited for season three to drop. If you have the wherewithal, if you have the time, please consider joining our community. The links are always in the description of every episode. Any episode you click on, you will see a way to support us and it really does mean the world. It helps us keep the lights on. I want to welcome Cindy and Janine who just over the weekend jumped in. Oh nice New buttercups and I'm very, very excited for them to be part of the community.

Speaker 2: 1:34:54

I'm working on your emails, your welcome emails. I will get those to you, actually right after I finish wrapping here. So thank you everybody. Thank you for supporting us. If you cannot support us financially, please consider writing a review. Um, uh, they really do help. Uh, they. There are all kinds of metrics and statistics, uh, about how we engage with our audience. Uh, that I I won't pretend to understand, but I know it matters and it factors into our ratings. Uh and um, and when we've had the highest ratings and better reviews and that sort of thing, the better we get with those, the more sort of people are exposed to us and then we can sort of reach a larger audience. So if you're able to do any of those things, it really means the world to us and we appreciate it. In the meantime, please support your local libraries and the written word.

Speaker 3: 1:35:47

And until next time we remain rich Till we die of natural causes. No judgments, Mikey no-transcript.