The og and the fantasy uncle take a look at what we got right and what we got wrong through out the first round. We also play Draft Yeet or No Yeet, discuss other teams we love.
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The og and the fantasy uncle take a look at what we got right and what we got wrong through out the first round. We also play Draft Yeet or No Yeet, discuss other teams we love.
If you have a topic or want to respond to the pod, you can always reach us at
Email - pineponypodcast22@gmail.com
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Welcome, welcome, welcome to another edition of the Pine Pony podcast, the draft recapisode. Yeah, so it's me, the OG and with me, I got my good buddy, the fantasy uncle, who did a really good job at predicting some of the draft on draft night in my opinion, especially even after the live. So thanks.
pershin:I appreciate that. I felt like. The, you know, the, the first part of the first round was really good. And then after a certain point, I think after like pick 12 or 13, I just never got another thing. Right. So it was like,
jason:But yeah pretty
pershin:wild draft.
jason:Yeah, it was, it was a good time. So. We're going to go over some, some hot news around some of the sports today. And then we're going to play draft yeet or no yeet bringing back and then you know, get into some other players that we, we liked and, you know, who teams that we thought had a good draft. So let's let's start the show. All right.
The Pony Pony Podcast.
jason:So first thing I wanted to bring up because there seems to be a lot of talk about it, about. Teams being fronted the money for new stadiums and fans saying, fuck you. You're a billionaire. You can make your own stadiums without our money. And so I just thought that was interesting. One of the things that I, that I unfortunately did not have time to look up was, is I also wanted to look up. Stadium placement in relation to waffle houses. Yeah, apparently there is a thread going around about SEC stadiums and which ones are closest to a waffle house. Like it within walking distance.
pershin:Oh, okay.
jason:So but that just made me think about stadium placement and, you know, like there's the new Falcon stadium is downtown Atlanta. There's no parking. There's, you know, the tailgating and it seems to be going that way more and more we see you know, where the chief stadium is, it's like, it's just a parking lot around it. There's nothing cool. There's nothing like, when you're looking at it from an aerial view, it's, there's nothing cool to look at and more teams are wanting. You know, the city backdrop or, you know, things like that.
pershin:They're putting a greater emphasis on the entire aesthetic part of it.
jason:Well, what they should be doing is what the Braves did. Like don't, don't necessarily take it to the city, but take it somewhere. That's kind of undeveloped. Like the chiefs could easily build a new stadium in the parking lot next to it and then destroy that And then put like a like a, like an epicenter, you know, where bar shopping, you know, and kind of make it its own little thing. And, you know, maybe try to try to get the city to incorporate some sort of public transportation, like a light rail to it to. To kind of, so to kind of, you know, make it so people don't necessarily have to drive a far away away or something like that. I mean, I'd like to see more of that. I think people would be willing to pay for things like that. Speaking of the chiefs, a certain chief got a, got a new deal. Travis Kelsey, 34 and a quarter million. For two years, essentially, or three years, I guess, 2025, 2026, 2027.
pershin:I actually thought this was a little bit spicy here. There's a lot of people thinking, Oh, he's on his way out. It's probably his last year. And then he's basically saying, nah, I plan on being around at least a couple more years. You know, there's not, I think it's like a year and a half of that. It's actually guaranteed, but it doesn't matter. The point is he's basically saying, I'm not planning on retiring.
jason:Taylor was like, what really happened was Taylor was like, look, you can't be retiring because you ain't living off of me. Booboo, you need to go make your own money. Okay. You retire when I say you retire.
pershin:Yeah. She's like, it's bad enough. I got a date down. Cause no one's as rich as me,
jason:but you need to at least be trying.
pershin:Okay.
jason:I mean, yeah, no one will ever have the top 14 songs in the top 100. Okay. Set in records. So that
pershin:is that is why there's
jason:never going to be anyone as same level So you got to go ahead and make that money.
pershin:I feel like the tide is finally starting to turn on her a little bit There's been many many years of steady. Just tailor love and I I noticed with this new album now She's finally starting to get some bad reviews or whatever. Yeah.
jason:Well, I think she got too big
pershin:Yeah, yeah, exactly. I feel like any time you just consistently on top for that long, like people will haters, people will come out of the woodwork to tear you down. And I think we're finally starting to see that backlash of like, all right, we've had enough of Taylor. Well,
jason:that's like the rock. I mean, the rock is catching all this heat right now. Everyone's saying he shows up late to films and this and that and cost in studios, 200 million. And It's like if he's costing studios 200 million, I find that hard to believe that he's going to continue to get work,
pershin:man. Most of my friends show up late to anything I put together. Okay. Guess what?
jason:They're still my
pershin:friends. It's all good.
jason:Yeah. They just hate you, man. Cause he's, cause he's on top, man. Anyway, move it on.
pershin:Somebody being like on time or whatever. I feel like that's nitpicky, bro.
jason:Yeah, well, whatever. Moving on, an interesting deal that I'm, I'm not sure what the whole point it was. So we let Zeke go for a year. He was getting, he was rushing 3. 8 yards per game average. He goes to the Patriots for a year. He's, he got worse. 3. 5 yards per game average. Let's bring him on back. Let's bring him on back. You know, we didn't, we fucked ourselves by getting rid of Tony Pollard. We didn't really draft a running back. Well, we didn't draft a running back because, well, we had this little deal planned out in the back of our head. So like, what is Jerry doing? But also I want to say, I think Zeke was a product of a really good offensive line. I don't think he was that good of a running back. They had the best offensive line, his first like three seasons. And he's only had four seasons of a thousand yards or more.
pershin:Yeah. I think that he legitimately was really good when he was coming out of college for whatever reason. I don't know what it is. Maybe it was just. One of these injuries, you know, finally had caught up to him in some sort of permanent way, or he really just had too much wear and tear, something, and he just kind of lost the step. He just, you know, he still does a lot of what he used to do well. He still actually does well. But particularly when it comes to acceleration right off the rip, like when he, when he gets the ball and just exploding through those holes, the way he used to, it's like, he's kind of a little bit slower now. He literally, the old adage, they've lost the step, like he's lost the step. And so in the NFL, I mean, that's a big deal because everyone is such a good athlete that if you, you know, you lose a half a step as a running back and that, you know, it's noticeable. And so I think for him, he clearly wasn't worth what they were paying him before. Yeah. That's why they cut him. And, you know, apparently he had a handshake deal before the draft. Jerry told him, Hey, look, we'll bring you back on. If we don't get Brooks, we want to, we want to grab books. And as we saw the Panthers hopped ahead of them and took Brooks before anyone even expected Brooks to go. And so I think what they did was they decided, well, we're just going to bring Zeke back. We really aren't in love with any of these other running backs. And so literally they drafted no other running backs. I think that's a bad idea. I think, you know, when all you've got is Deuce Vaughn and Rico Doudle bringing on an aging Zeke, who's clearly on the way down and his skill set is. You know, that's risky as hell. I would've taken shots on somebody, you know? Right. Anybody, even if you're not in love with them, just go ahead and take a couple shots. Trey events and Marshawn Lloyd was
jason:there for the take.
pershin:Marshawn Lloyd. Yeah, I we're gonna talk about that later, but I actually like the Lloyd Fit. Yeah. Oh, I know there. And I
jason:know
pershin:I like it too. But yeah, I, I agree with you. It's a head scratcher, not what I would've done, you know, just. Nope. Nope. Big nope.
jason:Jerry doing Jerry things. So the next thing I wanted to get into is the Mike Tyson Logan Paul match? It is now going to be a sanctioned fight. So this is going to go on the record. I think this is going to be a, I think this is going to be a fight, man. This is going to be something good. I think we could see a knockout, a Tyson knockout.
pershin:I hope so. I usually don't even care about these. I don't know what you call them, but vanity. Yeah. Like money, like money bouts. Yeah. Gimmick fights, whatever you call it, these sorts of things. But this one, the more and more I think about it, the more interested I am, because. I just love the idea that an old ass Mike Tyson would come back and be beast enough to to really win this fight, you know, and Jake Paul
jason:is not like
pershin:a, not like a super skilled season box or whatever, but he has literally been training for many years at this point. He's not necessarily just a pushover and a much, much younger. So my expectation is that Jake Paul does have the advantage and I wouldn't, you know, I wouldn't necessarily project Mike Tyson to win. But. I kind of just want to watch this just in case Mike Tyson wins. I want to see that.
jason:I
pershin:am interested.
jason:It's on Netflix. So easily accessible. Even if you do like a free trial, boom, got it.
pershin:Yeah, I know. Yeah. That, I think that was, that was smart for Netflix too. Well, and the good thing
jason:about this fight is it's not Floyd Mayweather. Because Floyd Mayweather does these money bouts, and he just dances around the rings. Never really throws punches. It's just, like, yeah, this is clearly I didn't
pershin:watch
jason:any of the Floyd stuff. I watched the McGregor Mayweather fight, and that was good. Because McGregor actually went after him. Yeah. So, it is that time for everyone America's favorite game show. Draft Yeet. Or no yeet. I love games. Who does it? Who does it? And as you remember before, yeet means that you're excited. You love it. No yeet means you hate it. You, you, you don't want it to be yeeting anywhere. And so what we're going to do is I'm going to list some guys, you know, and you're gonna, based on value. Or, you know, it could be a little bit of best overall on the board, but you know, mostly based on value you're going to yeet or no yeet all right.
What time is it? Spin it again. What time is it? Spin
jason:All right. Are you ready to rock and roll? Are you ready to rock and roll? I'm going to start you off easy. I'm going to start you off with a softball. Lad McConkie, second round chargers.
pershin:Yeah, well, so I got to admit that even though this is my dude, great white, hope gonna, gonna do it for the white wide receivers out there. I, he went earlier than I expected. So you said he was going to the first round in your mock. Yeah. But I also told you that was the one pick that I actually wish cast it. I admit it. Remember I said, I said, I actually don't think, but just because I want to, I want to manifest it into the universe. Well, But he actually came really spot a really close, like three spots away from where I mocked him there. But look, this, even though he went earlier than I expected, this is still a yeet because not only, you know, do I really like him? I thought he was the fourth best receiver in the world. In this class, but then he, he goes to a team that didn't do that much else to bring in competition. You know, they, they took a shot at Brendan Bryce in the seventh round and Quintus Johnson in the seventh round or Cornelius Johnson, I think it is. And these guys are really just dart throws. You know, there's Josh Palmer and then there's him. That's basically it. And so it's a yeet, even though he went higher than I expected, I still think it's going to end up being a value because they, they went and they shored up that left tackle position with Joe old, even though I wouldn't necessarily have made that move early too. He, they, they did that. So now, you know, there's, there's more time for the passing game to develop. This is a guy who's going to play that same Keenan Allen goal and he's going to get open often. And so I think he's going to get peppered with targets. I think that the production is going to be there early and, and this is, this is a yeet. This is a yeet.
jason:Great. Love it. Love it. Next up, Bo Nix, 12th overall to the Broncos.
pershin:This is definitely a no yeet. I know, I know, you know, I, I hope I'm wrong. And, you know, Is it a no
jason:yeet because you think he sucks or is it a no yeet because you think he went too early?
pershin:He went too early. I actually don't think he sucks. I actually liked him a little bit more than most people did. Most people thought he was like kind of a back end of the second, maybe even a third round guy. I think he was solidly a second round guy, probably even like a early second round guy. I had him in the same exact peer in the same exact tier as Penix. I think Penix also got overdrafted, but that's another story. The point being, I don't, I don't hate him. I just think that 12 overall is a bit rich. I would have traded back and took my chances that I could have gotten him, especially now that the reports have come out that the Eagles actually had a deal on the table for the Broncos. And when the Broncos saw that he was the last QB on their board left, they decided not to trade back and take their chances. They just wanted to make sure that they could come out of the draft with them. So they, they, they overdrafted him. But Peyton really loves him. I understand why he loves him. So, Hey, you got your guy, you need to go make it work now, you know? So,
jason:yeah no, that's how I feel for the Broncos.
pershin:It's a no yeet. You know, I hope I'm wrong.
jason:My next one that I correctly drafted in the first round to the Miami dolphins at number 21, chop Robinson.
pershin:This is a harder one for me because I had him go on in a similar spot, actually, not too far after that, I, I think. You know, he's a, he's a guy who didn't have as much production as you would have expected. You know, given how fast he is and how much of a physical freak he is. Right, right. I'm kind of neutral on it, which I guess is a yeet. I'm okay with that. I guess it's a, it's, it's a small yeet. It's a small yeet. You had him going
jason:20 second.
pershin:Yeah. So it's not a huge yeet, but it's a guy with huge upside. I would say it's a minor yeet.
jason:A minor yeet. All right. One that I'm going to give you credit on because He got drafted in the first round and none of the players that I said were better than him at USC got drafted in the first round. And that is at number 31 to the, or second, second round 31, whatever. Ricky Pearsall.
pershin:Oh yeah. Ricky Pearsall. He this is a guy who also went a tad bit earlier than I expected. I thought that he would go earlier than the other Slot ride receivers. I remember me telling you about there's basically four of these kind of slot specialist, you know, that being Pearsall, McConkey, Malik Washington, and Roman Wilson. And I thought Pearsall would be the first one off. But basically him and McConkie went earlier than I thought. So this is going to be a minor yeet too. I think what's happening here is I think that they have IU and Debo on the trade block. And so they want a guy with that kind of same
jason:minor yeet. Minor yeet for his guy, Ricky Pearsall.
pershin:Yeah, he is a speedy guy. The 49ers absolutely love that. They want this kind of receiver on their team. I think it's a good fit. So
jason:all right,
pershin:it's a solid pick
jason:next one. I want to get into because we can no longer put it off Michael pinnock's jr. At number 80 overall to the kirk cousins falcons I'm saying this is a yeet 100 percent yeet Yee. Yee. Yee.
pershin:No, no. I'm gonna say this is a mega, no, ye Oh man. This is if I'm handing out grades, this is just an F.
jason:Yeah. For value. This just an F for value. This is a bad, this is, this is just an F. This is just an F. Even though I think he's the best quarterback in the draft.
pershin:Yeah, I mean, let me just say that, like, when you got the eighth overall pick, that has so much value, you know, and I thought maybe there was some thing behind the scenes that we just didn't know about that. There was some kind of mastermind plan, but then they explained why they did it. It wasn't good. There was no way they literally are like, okay, we think that now that we've got cousins, we're so good that we are not going to get the chance to draft in the top 10 again in the next four years. So we want to go ahead and get the cousins replacement ahead of time. Well, we have a early top 10 pick. That is crazy on many levels, because first of all, just because you're confident in your team, doesn't mean you should ever be so confident that you don't take a player that could impact your team right away. You talking about an early first round pick? That should be a guy that can help you now. And there was guys on the board. They could have had their pick. There was no defensive players off yet.
jason:You know what I'm saying? Well, what, what baffled me was that they came out and then said that like, Oh, we don't expect them to play for four years. Yeah.
pershin:Four. Yeah. That's what I mean. You drafted a guy. Ace was such a bad plan.
jason:You drafted an eighth overall to play four years later. I mean, I understand, like, I look, I think for whatever reason, it'll end up working out for them because I, he'll probably play sooner than four years. But if you're trying to go to the green Bay Packers route and, and sit a guy behind someone and then, you know, Have that going forward. You don't draft them in the first round.
pershin:Yeah. I mean, you don't need to, if you want to take shots on developmental guys, you could do that later. Spencer Rattler went in the fifth, Michael Pratt went in the sixth or the seventh or something like that. You could just take one of these guys, take a shot on them for cheap and see if you could develop him based on the physical skills he's got or whatever. Michael Penix is going to be. 26 years old, two years from now, which is the first time that you could even consider cutting cousins. I mean, that's not a developmental guy. A lot of evaluators think that he was the most pro ready of everyone, given all his experience in college, you know. I mean,
jason:I wish there was a way that They were thinking like, Oh, well, Kirk cousins might get injured, but they weren't even thinking about that.
pershin:No, they said, they literally said, we just were so confident that we're going to be good, that we're not going to get to pick again in the top 10 in the next four years, which makes sense. Well, it makes that, that idea on its, on its own makes sense. If you're really that confident in your team, fine. But the thing is that one. You probably should never be that confident in predicting the future. And two, if you did want to, if you did want to punt that value off, if you're like, we don't even need a first rounder to contribute this year. And you wanted to punt that off two, three, four years down the line. Boy, you could really cash in. You said a team would be willing to pay you for that eighth round pick. There's, there's teams out there that'll give you their, their 25, 26 and their 27 first rounders. Just straight up, just. Okay, let us get that eight. We'll give you all kinds of future value. You talking about three, four years from now, right? Like they, they, they could have stacked so much value ahead of time that they could have traded up and been the first overall pick four years from now, if they're talking about a four year plan, it's just a really stupid idea. To take your eighth round pick, pun it to at least two years into the future. But instead of doing that in any way that actually ensures the value, just take a shot on a guy that most people have as a second rounder anyway, like men.
jason:I just don't understand why, like, why not just trade back and then get him later, or get whatever quarterbacks left there.
pershin:Yeah, I mean, the whole concept of we're just so confident that we don't need to take somebody to help our team right now is crazy. And then, two, Like I said, if you wanna pun the value off, this isn't the way to do it. There's better ways to do that. Just this is just bad. This is just taking your, your eighth round pick and flushing it down the toilet for at least two seasons. Bad mega
jason:ye I may have said mega. Mega. No,
pershin:mega ye.
jason:So. And then my next one that is kind of baffling Sam Hartman signing with the Commanders after. Like I know that's not the draft, but like they drafted Jaden Daniels and then they signed Sam Hartman from Notre Dame. I just thought that, I just thought that was interesting. And, and I mean, I think for the value, I mean, so you, he went on drafted, like that's obviously, that's obviously a yeet, but it's just as interesting.
pershin:This, this one's a yeet for me. I actually thought he would get drafted. A lot of people have a problem with what's his arm strength. Is he really going to be able to get his arm strong enough to make those NFL tight window throws and that, and that's a really valid concern or criticism or whatever, but he went to the senior bowl and he looked really good at the senior bowl and then he fell out of the draft completely. So it costs you nothing to bring him in. But they
jason:also already, they also have Mariotta. I mean, this is like, they have Jaden Daniels, Jeff Driscoll, Jake Fromm, Sam Hartman, Marcus Mariotta. It's like, good Lord, man. How many quarterbacks are y'all stacking? That's why
pershin:it's just kind of like, yeah. I think those other guys make less sense than he does. Like he's actually a guy who's still young. Maybe you could develop into something later. Is it for the most part with him? The biggest issue is really just going to be, can he get in the weight room adjust? get that arm stronger. You know, he just needs more velocity on the ball. A lot of what he does is not bad though. And the fact that he fell out of the draft was not bad. Any of them. I would, I would, I would keep him on the roster ahead of Fromm or,
jason:Well, Fromm's only 25. I would probably cut Driscoll and Mariotas. Driscoll for sure. 31, Mariotas is 30.
pershin:Yeah, I think Mariotas has proven himself as a capable guy. Oh, he hasn't. So he makes
jason:sense as the backup.
pershin:Oh,
jason:fuck him.
pershin:But the thing is
jason:either
pershin:way, Hartman is interesting as a developmental guy and I don't mind that one. Now that's a neat for me.
jason:Okay. Okay. I
pershin:was actually surprised given how good he looked at the senior bowl that he didn't get drafted at all.
jason:All right. My next one, a Don a Mitchell to the Colts second round. We thought this guy was a first rounder.
pershin:Yeah. He, he ended up falling at the last minute. They're. It was basically health concerns. People say that he doesn't do a good job of maintenancing his diabetes. He's got type one diabetes and people basically throwing him under the bus saying he doesn't, he's not up on it. He's not disciplined about it. And so it affects his ability to perform sometimes. And apparently he has mood swings or something like that. I don't, I don't know that. But what I do know is that he was more of a first round talent. They get him, you know, mid second round or whatever. He falls. Pretty, pretty hard. And for the position that he'll be playing, he slots in perfectly because Alec Pierce, who's been playing that field stretch boundary role has been disappointing. He just hasn't done that well. And so I think he'll immediately come in and be that X receiver. And they're going to have Josh Downs playing the flanker role and the majority of the time they'll just have Pittman working out of the slot, but, you know, Pittman, you can move all over the formation or whatever he'll get his, but I think that this is, this is good. I mean, yeah, I mean, this team is looking those kind of baller right now.
jason:Yeah,
pershin:exactly. Anthony Richardson healthy. And when you talk about a guy in Richardson, who basically his strong suit, aside from running is his long ball, the velocity he could put on it. Having a guy that could really stretch the field and go up and do the contested catches like that is, you know, they needed an upgrade over Alec Pierce. He just wasn't getting it done. So
jason:looking real dangerous, Jaguars are kind of looking like the third team to me right now. Like based off last year, you know, in draft and all that, but like, that's too early. Yeah. Just saying, if you're looking at who improved and who didn't.
pershin:Yeah. And I just, it's been two or three years in a row where I really don't like what the Jaguars have done, like free agency wise, like the guys that they've decided to pay versus not pay. It's not I haven't loved it, especially when they overpaid for Gabe Davis and then they immediately draft in the first round. Basically a Gabe Davis clone. I mean, don't get me wrong. He probably will be better than Gabe Davis. He at least has some capabilities that Gabe Davis doesn't. But the thing is like, why would you overpay for Gabe Davis? And then, and then draft that same kind of receiver. I mean, they're the same kind of receiver, you know, you
jason:know, well, my next, my next one. I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to switch you up and throw you a little curve ball. Oh, yeah. The Carolina Panthers whole draft. How you can do first, like, what do you think? First three rounds, Xavier Leggett at number 32. They traded up to get Jonathan Brooks. They traded to get that Trevor Trevin Wallace from Kentucky linebacker JV on Jatavian Sanders, Texas tied in. And then a quarterback defensive tackle on linebacker from Michigan.
pershin:Yeah. For the most part, the only pick that I loved was the Jitavia and Sanders. They have an obvious need there at the tight end position. And he basically fell to the fourth round. A lot of people had him in the second or the third. A lot of people had him as a second. So that I like, that's a yeet pick. He probably starts he probably comes in and he is that move tight end from from the jump, which is great. The rest of it. I don't like I don't like that They spent their first round pick on Xavier Leguette In fact, they traded up to make sure that they got into the first round to
jason:pick him. That pick was so stupid
pershin:You know, the thing about Liggett is that he is a physical freak, is a great athlete, but he did not do well in college at actually getting open. Okay, if you throw him a screen, sometimes he could break a lot of tackles, he could make plays happen, and that's great. I'm not saying that that's unusable, but the thing is that in the NFL, you need to at least be open sometimes. You need to, it needs to be part of your skill set to some degree. You know, Xavier Leguette, like, in terms of getting open on his routes, just was not good at that. He was good at boxing out defenders and being in position to make those picks, but I just don't think he They're saying that
jason:he would be, like, a Chris Godwin type in Canale's offense. Leguette? No. Yes. Absolutely
pershin:not. I don't agree with that at all. No. No. No, I think that he's more what it says right here. No, I don't know what, who, who wrote that blog. You're what you're reading right now, but I don't agree with it. It's not a blog.
jason:It's not a blog. It's, it's, it's just some, you know, post draft analysis by Jordan Reed.
pershin:Yeah. I guess he talked to
jason:canalis anyway.
pershin:I don't, I don't agree with that. Absolutely not. No, I think Deontay Johnson is going to be playing that Chris Godwin role. I think that makes much more sense. I think that Leggett is going to replace Mingo. At least they're hoping he'll replace Mingo, but I'm just not a big Leggett fan. They traded up to get a guy that I think went a little bit too early. And then on top of it, They, they then traded up again to get a running back when it's like, dude, your team, you, you have a lot of needs and you're, you're over here trading up to get a running back, you know what I mean? It's like, first of all, Chuba Hubbard has done a decent job every time he's been asked to, you know, and you're paying the fuck out of miles Sanders. That's unfortunate, but it's not the worst to have a one, two punch of Chuba and miles Sanders and, and they're like going way out of the way. To pay for a guy who might not even be available week one, you know, cause he's injured right now You know, he he tore up his his leg on Thanksgiving, you know, so it's just I I don't I don't like their draft They're actually one of the drafts I was going to talk about was later We'll we'll go through a couple that I didn't like a couple that I did like but yeah No, unfortunately I I wasn't a fan of what the panthers did in the draft
jason:All
pershin:right. Yeah, give me, give me some more yeets. Give me some more players.
jason:I got, man, I don't I don't have any more players, so that'll end draft yeet or no yeet. Yeah, so, you know, there's a couple of things that, you know, we want to get obviously I think the Packers. First round pick. I was like a little bit like, what are we doing with this first round pick drafting an offensive tackle who we already have a left tackle. So why do we need another one? So I'm thinking that they might be trying to push him towards left guard, which is the spot we need, but we're, I'm not sure about this guy. After him, love the draft. Love it. We got great value at the fourth round with the 11th pick at Evan Williams. This guy had the best pressure to sack ratio in college. Marshawn Lloyd, I thought was great value at the third round with a 25th pick, the running back out of USC. Now we've kind of got a guy that maybe we You know, when we move on from Dylan, he can move into a secondary role or even push the limits with Josh Jacobs. We'll see there. And then, and then the rest of the draft was pretty much exactly how I thought it would go out. Heavy defense linebacker corner corner. I mean, safety. A couple of offensive line guys running back. They did draft the quarterback in the seventh round, Michael Pratt of Tulane. So what did you think about the Packers draft?
pershin:Yeah, I thought it was a good draft. I love this strategy that they've had the past couple of years of, of go ahead and stacking up shots at the back, you know, half of the draft, and they just had a bunch of picks where they're just, they're just taking shots. And I like that. You know, basically decided we want to attack a certain position. So we'll just go ahead and drop two or three of those guys at once. And I love it because it basically says like, well, look, we're admitting that these things are crap shoot and we don't, we can't predict the future as much as we all think we can. And so we're just going to. We're going to take multiple shots. I love that. I wasn't a huge fan of the very first pick, but basically everything on from that I liked, you know, when it comes to the tackles that were available at that spot, I would have preferred a guy like you know, Tyler Guyton or Graham Barton over Mason. But it's, but it's also like. Not a big reach. It's not a huge, big thing there. And then for a lot of these guys, they just let the draft come to them. A lot of people actually had edger and Cooper and the first round. I think that he's going to have an impact early. Javon Bullard. Not bad. I love the Marshawn Lloyd pick Marshawn Lloyd basically just has two big knocks against him coming into the league. And that one that's fumbles. Okay. He's going to have to clean that up. No, no with fans or butts about that. But the other thing is that, okay, he does much better. In the man gap scheme, then the zone read scheme. And the thing is that he actually is going to a team that does the man gap scheme. They actually do the thing that he does. Well, it's already a good match for him. Which basically just leaves the fumbling issue. Okay. We have seen guys before correct that. So if he can, if he can correct that, then he'll get onto the field. He's got, he's a better talent straight up, I believe than Dylan. So I think immediately. He's a good pass catcher too. Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. Got
jason:good hands there at least.
pershin:Yeah. Yeah. I, he's good at a lot of things. I mean, USC had a horrible offensive line and he, he wasn't able to run through gaping holes very often. And still you saw him. Shifty, you saw him break tackles, whether it was using power or using his shiftiness. And the thing that I like about Lloyd is that he knows which one to do. He always seems to understand what that defender's wanting to do and. Kind of dictating how that collision is going to happen. I really like that. He, he really is a talented running back. The only issue again is just that fumbles thing. So I love, I love the fit. They already run the kind of scheme that he excels at. I think that he'll be good and. You know, if they do move on from Jacob's a couple of years from now, they probably already got the guy
jason:there. The only pick that I was a little that I wanted is the Eagles selected Cooper Dejean right before us. And I thought it was like, Ooh, and then we ended up trading that pick. I think if Cooper Dejean was still there, we would have taken him there instead of trading. Oh yeah, absolutely. But it didn't swing that way.
pershin:Yeah. I also liked the Michael Pratt pick. Michael Pryde basically fell, I think it was all the way to the seventh
jason:round.
pershin:I mean, that's just, that's just a good pick. I think he has a good chance of, of unseating Clifford for that backup spot. And so there's just, you know, when a guy like that falls that far, why not take a shot on him, you know? It was crazy because it was basically the top six guys that the NFL basically all agreed on.
jason:Yeah. They
pershin:all were scooping them up so fast. And then everyone else, they were like, I don't know. And they just all fell that the next quarterback to go after Knicks was Rattler who didn't go until the fifth.
jason:Yeah. And
pershin:most people thought he would go in the second or third. So I was like, man, this is just a crazy draft for quarterback.
jason:I don't know what the saints are going to do with him. We'll see. Yeah next team I wanted to bring up was the chiefs. What, how do you feel about, about the old chiefers? I, the fucking chiefs got a fucking steal at wide receiver, you know Xavier worthy. I mean, that's, that's gonna be great for them.
pershin:Yeah. I like Xavier Worthy. I think this is a great fit. They really want to address that sort of down the field, field stretching thing. They've got a guy who could throw a beautiful, accurate, deep ball. And unfortunately the past couple of years, the likes of MVS and Justin Watson have just let them down. Yeah. Not getting
jason:down so much by getting two Super Bowls. But that's the crazy
pershin:thing is that they're, they're winning the Super Bowls despite these wide receivers because of them, you know what I mean? And it's, it's a really important position. And so. You know, going out and getting Hollywood Brown and then Xavier Worley. Now you've got two guys who really can get open and really can actually catch the ball when it hits their hands. But the real
jason:question is, is Jared Wiley the next Kelsey?
pershin:I doubt it, but I think he, I think he's a decent shot to take in the fourth round. Again, he's one of these guys that a lot of people had in the second or the third. The tight ends this year was a little bit weird because everyone had a different. Sort of sequence of how they should go outside of hours. And so it's kind of a eye of the beholder sort of thing, but Jared Wiley is an athletic freak. He is a pass catching sort of specialist. So maybe they do have that in mind. But they also, they're just taking shots on, on high end sort of athletes. I felt like Jaden Hicks fell to them. The, the safety that they took in the, at the back end of the fourth round. I just thought that that was pretty good value overall. I, I just love the fit for a lot of their players. They didn't even have a lot of glaring needs necessarily. And, you know, they, they took players. I felt like it were at pretty good value. So it's, it's basically a pretty good job.
jason:All right. That's, that's the teams I had that I cared about. What what did you find in the draft? Did you find some diamonds?
pershin:Well, I'll, I'll just go ahead and, and mention my Broncos real quick, just because they are my Broncos. I love them. But I, I wasn't a fan of the Knicks thing necessarily. We already talked about that, but I like, basically everything they did after that. They didn't have a ton of pictures year. Yeah, it has to be. But what they did do is they let dudes fall to them. Like they literally. Pick players that every everyone thought was going to go earlier. So I love that you know Jonah Ellis, I think is his name guy with a lot of promise. He's more of a developmental guy, but this guy had the fastest three cone that any linebacker has ever had at, at the combine. He's a very, very quick guy. He's going to be a designated pass rush sort of guy, and he's got a ton of upside. So I liked that pick. And then also Troy Franklin in the fourth. Fell to them. Not only did he fall to them, but they get to reunite him with his same college quarterback who he had tons of production with. So, you know, this guy, again, it just fell to them. And then Audrick Estime is another guy that people felt what was going to go ahead of that falls all the way to the fifth. I mean, this is just taking guys that fall, which I always loved that. I always liked that, you know? So even though I didn't love the Knicks thing. I felt like they still had an okay draft. I don't hate it.
jason:Yeah, it's good stuff. Yeah. I mean, I didn't feel like there was a ton of teams that had like really bad drafts.
pershin:Yeah, I actually only had a couple there's, I was going to go over my, my most favorite and least favorite drafts. And it's basically just the Panthers who we actually already talked about and then the Falcons. The Falcons just, they really botched that first round pick. And especially after you realized that there was four different teams that were trying to trade with them to get that pick. I mean, not only did they give up a player that could have made an impact immediately at that position, but then they, they also just gave up. All those trades, whichever one was the best one. I don't know, but you know, I certainly. Would not have done that. I actually, if I was the owner of the team, I actually would have just fired the guy on the spot. I would have been like, what is the master plan? And when he said we don't need anything because we're already such a good team, I would have been like, you're done clock out, you're fucking done.
jason:That's the
pershin:worst thing. We don't need help because we're so what are you talking about? Like, anyways as far as good we already went over your Packers. I, I love a lot of the fits and I think they got good values. The Ravens, I really liked what the Ravens did.
jason:Ravens had a good draft.
pershin:Yeah. I'm I, let me look at them real quick. Cause I forgot who all. They drafted actually, but oh, yeah, that's right. Nate Wiggins went a little bit further Roger Rose Gartner fell to them Devontae's Walker and TJ Tampa fell to the fourth round Yeah,
jason:TJ Tampa pick
pershin:and then rushing Ali. He's basically like a another Keaton Mitchell type Really fast guy. He actually had the most runs in the NCAA with more than 20 miles per hour on the GPS. He, he is the leader of all the people for as many times. He's just a very, very, very fast guy. His problem is fumbles. So, Hey, we know how that goes. He, he either cleans that up or he doesn't get on the field.
jason:So we'll see. All around with you.
pershin:Yeah, but he fell all the way to the fifth, you know, Devon, Larry, I don't mind taking a shot on a guy like that in the sixth round who might end up developing as your backup and
jason:for the next time, Brady.
pershin:Yeah. And they were, they were another team that just, Like traded back and stacked extra pigs and you know, I I love their philosophy I love the guys that they got that just kind of fell in the draft and then also the Eagles you kind of already spoke about them, but They were the team that Wanted to trade wanted to trade with the Broncos, right? And so they basically had a handshake deal where the Broncos said, okay Look if both Knicks and Panic's are available at our 12th spot, then we will trade back with you and we'll take Nix at the 22 spot instead or whatever. But they decided not to because Pentax, as we all know, went in the eighth spot and they got scared that they weren't going to have anyone they liked left. So they, they actually didn't trade back with them. But here's the crazy thing is that the Eagles wanted to trade up so they could get Quinan Mitchell, who was their number one cornerback and actually lot number one, and he fell all the way to number 22. Yeah. Not only did they get Quinan Mitchell at 22, but then Cooper Deje followed all the way to 40 of the
jason:top three, two of the top three.
pershin:It's the most obvious need that they had, and then they get some really top end talent that just falls to them. And so it. You gotta love their draft.
jason:Well, then they drafted Jeremiah Trotter in the fifth round, who, I, I mean, I, call me a homer, but that dude is a baller. No, again,
pershin:a guy who just slipped, a guy who just didn't go as high as a lot of people expected him to go, and, I just love, I just love when teams do that, you know, and for them in particularly, not only did they just sit back and get best player available, but they sit back, get best player available at the very positions that they want to address. And so it's like, damn, I do think that they also got literally the most interesting wide receiver in the draft, Johnny Wilson, all the way in the sixth round. He's definitely a developmental guy, but he's a six, seven beast, 240 pounds. And the thing is that the guy actually has a little wiggle. He actually has some movement skills to him. If he could just get more refined in his footwork and his hand work, get off the line quicker and things like that. He could be a great player and. You know, behind Devonta Smith and AJ Brown, they don't have a ton. So if he ends up working out for them, he could be a huge deal on the sixth round. So I just love what the Eagles were able to do. And, and that's basically it. I wanted to go ahead and highlight a couple of like. Individual things that happened, individual players that I thought just were just great values. And this is, this is a guy that we actually, Talked about what I talked about guys who I thought were going to be steals Malik Washington ended up indeed falling I think until the fifth round goes to the Miami Dolphins Where he instantly slots in as that slot receiver, you know He he's going to be competing with braxton barrios and river craicraft who just ain't shit ain't shit And this guy is one of the most productive players At the ncaa level last year, you know, he's undersized as in he's only 757 I think it is But it didn't stop him from having the second best PFF grade of all college wide receivers last year. Ultra productive. He's like the only good thing on that Virginia offense last year. Love that, that pick for them. And then also Spencer Radler. This guy is a guy who a lot of people thought were a pretty good shot as a developmental guy. He falls all the way to the And obviously the saints have Derek Carr for now, but in, in the next year or two, they're going to be moving on from him. He's just the bridge thing. So I thought that was a really great fit for him to fall all the way to the fifth for them. Take a shot on a guy like that. Troy Franklin kind of already talked about this, but being able to reunite with Bo Nix falls all the way to the fourth round. Most people thought he would go in the second round. But he did. That's a great one. And then a Marius Mims for the bangles. The cool thing about this is that a Marius Mims is like the, the best physical freak on the offensive line, but he's a little bit rough around the edges. He gets to go to a team that already has two starting tackles. So they actually don't need him to play right away. If he does prove that he's good enough to start right away, then they can kick Jonah Williams inside and they could actually just have their best five guys starting. So either way, it's a win, win from them. I really love that pick. And then also for the Bengals, I didn't love everything that they did in the draft, but then they get my guy, Jermaine Burton. And we talked about this again on the wide receiver preview draft preview that we did. This guy, I think is just super talented. He would have been my number five. Behind the top three behind lad McConkey. I would have put him at five. He was a top, you know, I, whatever he was like a first round talent for almost everyone who's developed evaluating him as far as what he does on the field. His big issue is that he's got some sort of personality issues going on. I don't know exactly what it is, but to the point where Mel Kiper actually thought about taking him off of his mocks altogether,
jason:he,
pershin:yeah, he said, I've I have heard that actually. Literally most teams have taken that, taking him off of their draft board. So he's got some extreme issues. Nick Saban, who was actually on the main draft broadcast, doing analysis. When they asked him about Jermaine Burton, he actually didn't say anything nice about him, which is rare coaches almost always talk up their dudes. He literally just said, yeah, Jermaine's working through a lot of issues. Like, damn, so we'll see. If he actually sticks with a team, he's got a crazy story of fights with his teammates getting ejected from games. Clearly there's an anger management issue, perhaps just a mental health issue altogether. But that being said, if they could get him to calm down and just be on board and not be hated by his coaches and his, his teammates, then yeah. I think that, that he's going to be a great pick for the Bengals. Obviously they're looking to move on from Higgins, whether it's they, they find enough in a trade or he just moves on at, after this next year, I love that. I love that spot for him. So
jason:awesome. Well, one guy you didn't bring up that I thought was going to be drafted before Ricky Pearsall, Taj Washington from USC drafted in the seventh round at number 21 overall in that round to the Miami Dolphins.
pershin:Taj Washington was not a guy I was big on, but I think in the seventh round. Yeah. Yeah. Same thing with Brendan Rice. I wasn't big on him, but he falls all the way to the seventh round. I think the Chargers And the dolphins respectively got good picks at their, you know, this is basically what we were talking about before when we did the wide receiver preview. There's just so many wide receivers. Some of these guys were bound to fall. Some of these guys were bound to fall and some of them did. Some of them fell heavy. You know, Troy Franklin, you know, Malik Washington. A lot of these guys we're talking about just fell and fell and fell. Oh, another guy I forgot to bring up, but Kamani Vidal running back that the chargers were able to get all the way in the sixth round. This guy is a well rounded player. There's some questions on how well he could play at the NFL level because he played for Troy. And a lot of people felt like his level of competition last year just wasn't that great. But he does everything and he literally is the best. Protector in this draft. I think that he could immediately get on the field. If JK Dom's is not ready to be part of that rotation, it's Gus Edwards who can't fucking catch a ball. And then who's going to be that other sort of guy. I think commodity of a doll has a role right off the rip and they got him in the sixth round. Great pick. And also some upside. If you're you know, You know, you and I play in dynasty leagues. I think he's going to be a guy to look at in the later rounds of,
jason:I think you'll need to draft him. You might not just pick him up. I mean, he only got five rounds, so he's only got five picks unless they trade.
pershin:Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, for ours, cause we got, we're an eight team league, so, you know, five times eight, it's only top 40. So we'll see, but an interesting guy to put on the end of your bench. If you're, if you're looking for someone who might,
jason:Vlad McConkie first pick.
pershin:I don't know if I'm taking a first pick, but I'm probably drafted them ahead of you other fuckers.
jason:We'll see. All right. Well, that's all the steals, deals and
pershin:wheels of the draft. That is our draft recap. We've got takes for days though. If you have questions, hit us up on the socials. We will answer them.
jason:Or we'll try to. And so we'll, I will not be in town next week, so we won't have an episode next week and we'll hope to be back the week after that. So see you then. Hasta. Adios.