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Fantasy Football Tight Ends: Stock Ups, Downs, and Sneaky Picks | Pine Pony Podcast

Join the Pine Pony Podcast as hosts OG and the Fantasy Uncle kick off a new fantasy football series! In this episode, they analyze tight end performance from last season, discussing which players to buy, sell, or hold for the upcoming year. They also cover recent sports news, including the controversial new rule in SEC baseball and Angel Hernandez's retirement. Plus, dive into detailed analysis on sleepers, handcuffs, and potential breakthrough tight ends to watch for your fantasy team. Tune in to get ahead for the fantasy football season!

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Speaker: 0:00

Hello, and welcome to a fantastic edition of the Pine Pony podcast. It is I, the OG, and with me, got the fantasy uncle, Joshua Pershing. What's happening? Howdy,

Speaker 2: 0:16

Mr. Strang. Howdy to the populace. Glad to be back. Glad to start a new fantasy series.

Speaker: 0:26

That's right. We've got a new series at Covent Atcha. We're going to talk each position based off last year and who we think could, could, you know, be buying stock, selling stock, you know, holding on to stock, whatever you want to do with the stock. But we can see how their stock could turn out this season coming. So without further ado, let's start the show.

0:56

The Pony Pony Podcast.

Speaker: 1:02

So before we get to that main topic, I want to discuss some of the recent news that I found interesting. Number one, the SCC college baseball tournament is implementing a second first base. So it has two first base. One for the runner and one for the first baseman. So the one for the runner is on the outside of the baseline. Wow. They run into to, to prevent injury. I guess there's been a lot of injury. I've heard of this being implemented before or trying to be, but I never saw it be successful. So yeah. So for any of you diehard baseball fans out there, that's Sacrilegious.

Speaker 2: 1:53

Wow. This I have heard of this from these these toxic, masculine men's rights dudes or whatever. The pussification of America, the feminization of the modern man or some shit. I never thought twice about it, but I'm like, damn, they must be having a field day with this one, right? Yeah, here it is. Here it is. We need an extra base for our pansies. All right. I guess, I guess we won't collide anymore. I mean, am I

Speaker: 2:26

just missing where all the injuries are happening at first base? Like, I'm just confused. Yeah,

Speaker 2: 2:32

I, I don't know. I didn't, It's been so long since I watched very much football, even, excuse me,

Speaker: 2:38

baseball. Yeah. Even at the pro level,

Speaker 2: 2:42

always. Yeah. I'm football field, man. So I don't know what I'm talking about, but even at the pro level, it's like, I just don't follow it that well anymore. So I I'm honestly not sure. I mean, I make jokes about it, but I have no idea what's been going on. And maybe this is an issue that they

Speaker: 3:00

have to get. Yeah, well, somebody thought it was an issue. Somebody's mom. Thought it was an issue, but from, from bad news in baseball to good news in baseball, Angel Hernandez has officially retired. That's right. Rejoice baseball fans. Rejoice baseball fans. The worst umpire in the history of the MLB served 33 years as an umpire was the first. Latino umpire. He did sue the MLB for discrimination against Latinos at one point. He's so bad that at one point in 2018 playoff game. In the first four innings, he got three calls overturned by replay. In the first four innings, he's so bad, he's had the most, he's had the most calls overturned. The only thing that I can think of is that the MLB had no choice but to stick with him because he already sued them once for racial discrimination.

Speaker 2: 4:18

Oh, damn. He played the race car. That's fucked up.

Speaker: 4:22

He was a thorn in everyone's side. And I know all Braves fans, especially are ecstatic of this. Joe West, Joe West another umpire surprisingly. Not ecstatic and he did not feel that Angel Hernandez was a bad umpire. Shocker that another umpire backed his other umpire. But, you know, all the umps gotta stick together. Are you sad about this news?

Speaker 2: 5:01

No, this is great. The guy sucks. The guy again. I don't even follow baseball shit, really? And we were, we were talking about him last summer on this very podcast I remember with Smith. Yeah. I can remember which one of you on this very podcast, I can't remember which one of you brought him up first, but it was like, yeah, this dude sucks here, here's the, here's his recent record or something about the, you know, absolutely chit show. And yeah, the dude you know, I don't know if he had information on. Certain people within the MLB or something, they, they stuck, they stuck, you know, they kept him around but yeah, I mean, anytime you just get a bad ref out of there, that's great, you know, I mean as you say, Atlanta Braves fans are going to love this I'll be hanging out with one tomorrow night, so, you know, we got something to celebrate.

Speaker 3: 5:56

There you go, there you go. One other thing that could be celebrated, and maybe take note taken? Travis Kelsey. Mahomes, Andy Reid. This is how you handle

Speaker: 6:09

the situation. Hey, Harrison Bugner, I don't like what you had to say. But I know you personally, and I know you're a good dude. So we're going to let this one slide, but I'm watching you. That's basically what he said. He, he downed, he downed what he said about women at the commencement speech, but also said that he knew them personally and that, that he was still a good guy, other than saying he meant it in the best way he meant it in the best way. What the fuck does that mean? He meant it. Yeah, he meant, he knew what he meant. Anyway, we don't need to, I just wanted to give Travis Kelsey his props, that's all.

Speaker 2: 6:52

Yeah, I thought Jason Kelsey had a good response too. He was saying basically something along the lines of, yeah, you know, that that, that's a good guy. This, this sort of statement, it doesn't really reflect on really who, who he is as his friends and family know him. And then. I guess, predictably, a whole bunch of people were giving him shit for supporting this behavior or something and he's like, yo, what? No, let me make it 1000 percent clear. If, if my daughter ever heard any of those ideas and thought that that was a good idea, that she just needed to be a homemaker, To be happy or whatever, then I feel like I have failed as a father. It's like, no, I don't agree with any, any of the sentiment just to be clear. You know? And I, I think that, I think that that makes sense. You know, you can't necessarily hate. Everybody around a person who says something offensive like that. It's not even necessarily him as a person that needs to be canceled or hated or whatever. It's just, it's just, it needs to be pushed back against and it has been. So, you know, it's all good. It's all good.

Speaker: 8:11

Yup. The ideas anyway more football talk real quick. The big news colleges can now pay players directly. Which is. You know, I don't know how I feel about it. Like, there's a part of me that's just like, Is this the same? Do I ha You know, I'm still gonna watch it, but it's like, I mean, I don't know how much I actually care about it being like, Oh, this is Clemson, the school. Like, I It's just I don't know. Something just takes away the amateurism, like the whole, like, Oh, I'm doing this for my college, you know, that kind of thing. And it's just, Oh

Speaker 2: 8:58

yeah, sure. That, that aspect I think is unfortunate, but I think that this, this particular move, I actually liked just because we had already over the past few years entered a phase where. If it wasn't already in the past, and I guess there's debate, if it wasn't already just a bidding war the past few years, it has been, it really has been. And so this kind of makes it formal and just say, look, now there's some openness to it. We can transparently see what the bidding war process was actually like for individual players. And so I kind of like it from that aspect where it's like, okay, if this is what's going on, let's go ahead and have it. out in the open. So we as fans could know which teams do have the most resources. So we can think about that when we talk about, you know, when people talk about the Yankees, they know that the Yankees have the most firepower before the season ever starts and stuff, you know, so at least we have that knowledge when it's just out in the open like that, I guess, you know,

Speaker: 10:06

Yeah, that's a good point. That's a good way to at least now we know who's paying and who isn't paying. So it's, it's the more hush hush under the table money. Yeah, so that's all I got for current events, man. Anything I mean, NBA Celtics made it to the final shocker. The Mavericks are up by 29 in game five for the gentlemen's sweep. So I think it's going to be Mavs Celtics here.

Speaker 2: 10:37

Yeah, that's what it looks like. Very interesting the way everything's gone down in the West so far this year. Just when you think there's a certain dynamic being played out in a series, it, it just flips on you.

Speaker: 10:54

It sure does. It sure does. So, on to the main topic. The main squeeze, the good stuff, the things that Persian and all of the populace are here for fantasy football.

Headset (Jabra Elite 7 Pro): 11:11

Main topic. Ooh.

Speaker: 11:15

Let's talk about some tight ends, man. So one thing I want to, one thing I wanted to point out real quick, I wanted to list the top 10 fantasy football. Tight ends of last year of yesteryear. So Sam LaPorta at number one, George Kittle, Travis Kelsey, TJ Hawkinson, David Ijoku, Evan Ingram, Cole Komet, Jake Ferguson, Trey McBride, Dalton Schultz. So out of those 10, who do you think? Is going to drop out of the top 10 this season coming based on what you've heard and what you've seen of what the plan is for the team's offenses and whatnot. Yeah. For me,

Speaker 2: 12:09

the guy who, excuse me, the guy who really stands out is Cole commit. This is a guy who last year had a pretty high percentage of his catches be touchdowns. So you've got to think the amount of touchdowns he gets is coming down. Not only that, but they sign Gerald Everett from the Chargers to a pretty good amount. Like they are not just signing him to like a blocking tight end kind of contract. Not only that, but he wasn't used as a blocking tight end at his previous destinations. You know, when he was with the Rams. He was a catch the ball, mostly kind of guy, same thing with the chargers. And so I think that they're going to have a rotation between the two. And I don't think that Cole commits in for as many snaps, as many targets and definitely not as many touchdowns. I think he's the one that falls the farthest out of this mix here.

Speaker: 13:07

Yeah, I, I want to say, I agree with that. I actually have him as arrow pointing down as well, just because it's a new offense. I mean, new quarterback, you know, I mean, even if you know, things were going, the quarterback was good. Who's to say that, that they're going to gel, then he's going to get the targets. I mean, he, he did out of the top 10 get the second lowest targets at 90.

Speaker 2: 13:44

Yeah, exactly. That's what I mean. Is that a high percentage of. His stuff was high leverage red zone, you know, down by the, by the touchdown sort of touches, not only that, but you bring up another good point, which is that this team is going to function completely differently. And with Luke Getsy right last year, they would have him oftentimes basically. Once he sort of ran his normal route, if the, if the play was breaking down fields was on the move, they would have him go find the open space. And that would be basically fields would know ahead of time. Okay. He's going to be looking for any soft spot in the defense. If I'm pulling linebackers towards me and we don't necessarily know that he's even going to be still doing that, playing that kind of a role, Caleb Williams, you know, Is quick on his feet, but does not plan on being a run first kind of quarterback. So, you know, just everything's different there. The quarterback, the coach, the scheme just. I don't know.

Speaker: 14:59

Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Another guy that kind of sticks out for me, TJ Hockinson arrow pointing way down, he was number four on this list with only playing 15 games, which is, which is pretty solid missing, missing a couple of games. But no Kirk cousins. I mean, granted, you know, last year, I guess he didn't really have them either, but.

Speaker 2: 15:30

Yeah. I mean, the, the big thing with Hawkinson and I agree with you, once again, I would have him the second, the second, most likely on this list is that it was pretty late in the season when he blew up his knee. And for anyone that actually saw the play where he hurt his knee, you, you understand like, ah, that's not a clean ACL tear. Like that's a pretty rough, that's a pretty, yeah. I mean, he's definitely missing like the first couple weeks. I think the. The aggressive timeline has him able to play pretty early in the season, but it's possible that he misses like the first six weeks, which obviously is going to be a headache for whoever owns him. Like that's going to be a big hit. You know, you could get someone in there until he comes back. I do think that once he gets back to full strength, he's going to be back as a centerpiece. He's going to earn a lot of targets. He is really good. At the underneath stuff, but I don't know that he's going to come back a hundred percent this next year. Anyways, and I don't think he'll be available to start the season. So,

Speaker: 16:40

well, and not a, not a, not a lot of time to mesh with JJ McCarthy for the following part of the season. If it, when he, when he does come back. So error, arrow pointing way down for him arrow pointing slightly down for me this year for him. And we probably, people probably say this every year Travis Kelsey. Yeah, I just,

Speaker 2: 17:05

yeah,

Speaker: 17:06

126 points. Fantasy wise you know, I mean, at some point the age has gotta start catching up with him. Yeah. I say the same thing. You know, he only had five, he only had five touchdowns. He only had five touchdowns this past season.

Speaker 2: 17:21

I say the same thing every season with Kelsey, which is like, look, he might be head and shoulders the best. Tight end in the, in the league, or he might fall off a cliff and you know me, I'm very ageist. I don't like old players. I would rather be a year or two early than a year or two late. Let someone else draft him. He's still going high in drafts. You know it. And now there's too much risk. 21 targets, too much risk, man. That that's a lot of targets. That's a lot of targets. He was great last year, especially at the very end of the year and at the playoffs when they needed him the most, he, he showed up and he, he played injury most of the year. I think pretty impressive stuff at his age. The guy's a beast and he's very, very smart about understanding what defenses are doing around him and getting into the soft spot of those zones. But bro, any, any minute now, he's just going to lose a step

Speaker: 18:22

And to be fair, fantasy wise, I don't think like he drops very far, like he doesn't drop outside the top 10. He probably doesn't drop outside the top five in tight in fantasy numbers, right? Someone who I do think has a danger of dropping outside the top 10 though, is mine is the number six guy. And that's Evan Ingram. He has a grand total of 143 targets, 116 fantasy points last year 963 yards before touchdowns. So and the reason why I think he drops is because Gabe Davis has been added to the offense. And so if we already think Calvin Ridley is going to have a solid season, Gabe Davis could impact the target share. I think Evan Ingram just with, with his age and adding Gabe Davis, he just loses targets. And so therefore, because he loses targets, he's not going to be able to get that high 116 fantasy number. He's going to drop below a hundred, I think,

Speaker 2: 19:30

well, you're forgetting, you're forgetting that Ridley left. Oh, that's right. Titans. Ridley got some of the Titans. I don't

Speaker: 19:38

know why I was thinking Ridley.

Speaker 2: 19:40

Yeah, I would be thinking the same thing you're thinking, but I think since Ridley left and he led the league and targets at the tight end position last year, I think that he actually is insulated. I think that he is the most likely to stay where he's at. I don't think he necessarily creeps up, but I think he gets so much action that he's going to be one of the top 10, top eight. You know, maybe even top six, whatever. I think that he's his role in that offense is very secure. His big drawback, if you will, is they just do not like to use him in the end zone, they don't like to use him when they get in close, they, they do not target him, they target him early and often. Between the twenties. And then once they get in close, they, they have a whole different style of offense, basically. So his touchdown equity is actually not that high despite getting a ton of work.

Speaker: 20:38

Yeah. But his touchdowns are, aren't what's getting him the points. It's that target's those targets, man. It's the, it's the catching the ball.

Speaker 2: 20:48

That's why I think that his, his place within the top 10 is pretty secure. That's what I'm saying. I think he's, he's,

Speaker: 20:54

yeah. Well, now that I feel like an idiot and I said, Calvin Ridley was still on this team. I'm going to agree. He's still going to catch a lot of football

Speaker 2: 21:06

to be fair. If Calvin Ridley was still there, like you thought, then I would agree. That would

Speaker: 21:10

be a greatest. Yeah. Yeah,

Speaker 2: 21:12

yeah, you got some

Speaker: 21:15

people that I see climbing the charts that are outside the top 10 two of them on the same team number 11, Mark Andrews and number 18, Isaiah, likely Isaiah likely had 71 fantasy points last year. Mark Andrews had 90. I see Mark Andrews getting into the top 10 and I even see maybe Isaiah likely being kind of closer where Mark Andrews was this year. 80, high end 80s, low 90s. Just because I think there's going to be a lot of tight end play with the new style of what they've been practicing offensively this, this off season so far, from what I'm hearing out of, you know, camps and all that jazz. Mark Andrews is super excited about his role this season. So,

Speaker 2: 22:05

yeah, I, I have always been a likely fan. I think that. It's unfortunate. He landed on a team that already had Mark Andrews, because I think in most NFL teams, he would already have won the starting job. And every time, every time the Andrews has been injured, he stepped in, he's done well, he's earned those targets. He's made plays after the catch, the whole nine yards. I think that if he, if he, if they really do Have him on the field more often than he will be productive. I think that there's a chance though, that he could cut into Mark Andrews sort of workload sort of target. And so that they might, they might just both kind of hurt each other. But I think that I agree with the sentiment that he's got a really good chance of moving up into the top 10 or top 12. For me, there's a couple of guys that stand out. I think that with the departure. Of Deontay Johnson catching so much of that intermediate underneath stuff. I think that Pat Friermuth is naturally going to be the guy to be the biggest beneficiary for that role. Last year, he played through a ton of injury. Hopefully this year he could come back healthy and thus, you know, take on that larger workload, but he's the sort of person that I think has The size speed combo to make some noise. If he does get enough work, if he does get a lot of catches, I think he'll do something with it.

Speaker: 23:37

Yeah. I think that he, I agree. I, I, you read my mind. I actually have him on this list just even by virtue of, of playing more games. He should do better. Absolutely. Fantasy football. And then

Speaker 2: 23:56

the other one that really sticks out to me. Is Kyle Pitts with John Smith leaving with Arthur Smith, no longer calling all the crazy trick plays and stuff. I think that he's going to get a more normal workload where he is the guy on the field. Most, if not a hundred percent of the time, I think that he's got the size and speed to do an entire route tree from the slot from in line, however they want to use them. And so I think that he, it just makes sense that Kirk cousins will find him early and often just like he made good use of. You know TJ Hawkinson, similar skillset. So I think that that's another one that seems pretty obvious to me as candidate to move into that top 10. I like arrow up for pits and fire moves. And was there anyone else that you were thinking of? Cause those are the ones that come to my mind, really.

Speaker: 24:54

No, just another thing that I was going to mention one thing that was very noticeable from last year's 2023 season was that the rookie class is here to play. You know, Sam Laporta. Luke Musgrave is going to be arrow up for me on this. Just because he, he only played 11 games last season and he was, he looked good for, for most of those games. So I expect him to get more ball and more touches when possible. And then Dalton Kincaid, another rookie that kind of held his own in the tight end class. So if you, if you got any of those, any of those rookies on the, on the, you know, dynasty team, but you're, you're, you're solid at tight end. I know I have at least two of them.

Speaker 2: 25:46

Yeah, I actually thought Kincaid was in the top 10. Last year already,

Speaker: 25:52

was he, he was just outside tied at 14 with the goater with good air. He has 77. 3 points, just two touchdowns, man, two touchdowns, 670 yards.

Speaker 2: 26:07

Okay. Well, he's, he's one that would be on my list for sure. I think when you, when you talk about. The, the vacated targets from Gabe Davis and Stefan Diggs. He is the guy most likely to

Speaker: 26:20

be

Speaker 2: 26:22

the first read, actually. I think that they just put him in the slot, probably just full time slot guy. And you know, they, they'll run Dawson Knox in line and run two tight end sets with Dawson Knox. But I don't think any of that will cut into Kincaid. I think he might literally just be. The best receiver on their team right now. And so that one makes a ton of sense to me that he could get in the top 10. In fact, Bill's

Speaker: 26:50

really got a lot of like second tier receivers, a lot of number ones.

Speaker 2: 26:58

Yeah. And I mean, they, they drafted Keon Coleman one of the first couple picks of the second round, and he's supposed to come in and be their X receiver, but it's like, He didn't even do that well as the ex in college. He mostly played this, what they call big slot role where he does all these drags and crossers and stuff. And the thing is like, he has, he has to be the ex guy on the bills. And I just don't think he's going to thrive like that. I think that Yeah, I think that things are going to be harder for that Bill's offense in general, but I think Kincaid is the one that's most likely to lead the team in targets.

Speaker: 27:40

Absolutely. What do you think for this Darren Waller fans, man, what, what's he going to do this season? What? Like. How's he looking in giants? Man,

Speaker 2: 27:49

Daryl, Daryl Waller is wild. He has been talking for four months that he's about to make his decision on retirement. He still has not retired or showed up like he's, he's not OTAs. He keeps telling them the coach is being super nice about it. Every day in the press conference. He's like, yeah, we're just giving him the time he needs to make a decision on his future. Meanwhile. He's posting like rap videos about his divorce. Apparently his wife is divorcing him. He's feeling some type of way about it. He's making music videos about it, bro. Like,

Speaker: 28:31

gosh,

Speaker 2: 28:32

please just go ahead and retire. Like, yeah, I don't know. I, I don't know. Last year he was injured a lot, but even when he was playing, it looked like he wasn't giving full effort or maybe he is just at that age where he has lost a step. I don't, I don't expect too much from Darren Baller, even if he's not retired. But that's a weird situation right now.

Speaker: 28:57

Yeah. Yeah. I don't want any part of that. He is definitely. Not going to be on my fantasy squad.

Speaker 2: 29:05

Yeah. I do think it's an interesting sort of cheap upside option. If he does retire though, is last year when he was injured, Daniel Ballinger actually got a good amount of targets. He actually looked pretty good. You know when it comes to redraft or dynasty bench stashes, stuff like that. If, if Waller does retire, I think that's the guy who is going to get the work, you know.

Speaker: 29:37

Well, with that being said, who, speaking of binge stashes, who would you look to? Are you handicapping anybody? Is there anybody handicap worthy? Other than Mark Andrews and Isaiah, likely, you know, for regular fantasy. Handicap

Speaker 2: 29:53

worthy?

Speaker: 29:55

Handcuffing.

Speaker 2: 29:56

Oh, oh, I thought you were about to talk about like sleepers or something. Okay. Okay.

Speaker: 30:01

Hey, I mean, as I'm looking at it, I'm looking like Tucker craft with Luke Musgrave. So one

Speaker 2: 30:09

that I think is a pretty, pretty obvious one is the, the Packers situation. I actually think that they might just use both of them because they certainly liked Musgrave the most. And you saw him clearly was, he was the starter at the beginning of the season, but when he got injured and, and Tucker craft got in there, Tucker Kraft looked just as good. If I'm being honest, I think I might've actually thought, Oh, I might have actually thought Kraft looked a bit better. And so when, when Musgrave came back, it seemed to me, and you watched them even more than I did, so you tell me if you agree or disagree, but it seemed like they were in just kind of a split. Like a time split there, like they were sharing almost 50, 50, the snaps. It seemed that way, at least when it comes to targets, that they were pretty even split once Westgrave came back. And so the, the only problem I have with that situation is. What if they just both are in each other's way? And instead of being in that top 10, they're both more like in that 15 to 20 range, you know?

Speaker: 31:15

Well, it's interesting. The projections right now are Luke Musgrave actually gets 47 targets. He got 46 last year, so he's not projected to do. He's projected to do just about the same. But Tucker Craft is projected 53 targets up in the 90 point range. Like they've got him projected to be in the top 10.

Speaker 2: 31:45

Yeah, see like

Speaker: 31:45

tied in fantasy points.

Speaker 2: 31:48

Yeah, see, I think that if they really do have an even split like that, then neither one of them are, are going to be that likely to be in the top 10. But obviously it is a certain, it is basically a handcuff situation where if one of them is injured, the other one's going to have a lot of value. They did throw to the tight end position a lot. Last year and they had some pretty explosive plays. They didn't, they weren't just dump off type plays. They were allowing those tight ends to go down the field, which I love, you know? So it is that, that would qualify as one of those situations. I think one. Handicap

Speaker: 32:31

situations.

Speaker 2: 32:32

Yeah. Well, one of the situations that's going to need our assistance moving forward. And I think, I think that one that's going to be sneaky that a lot of people are not going to be thinking about is that they, they, they lost the backup tight end in Houston last year. And I honestly forgot his, what his name even was, but he left a free agency and They drafted Cade Stover and the interesting thing about Cade Stover is that he already played with C. J. Stroud in college and he's one of these players that C. J. Stroud asked them to Go grab in the draft. And so I think it's interesting that he was requested by Stroud. He said that he doesn't care that he's coming in to be the backup. He said that he's just so excited to play with his buddy CJ again. And I think that that is a situation where if anything happens to Dalton Schultz, I think Stover is going to be the obvious guy who steps in. And I think that. You know, clearly they like each other. He's going to look for his buddy. He's going to get him the ball. And I think it's a, it's a good offense last year that we could project to be a good offense again, so that the touchdown equity, the touchdown opportunities are probably going to be pretty decent in that offense. And so I think that's a sneaky one that. That people should be on the lookout. Should anything happen to Schultz training camp or during the season?

Speaker: 34:10

Absolutely. Yeah, that's it. That's a solid one to take a look at.

Speaker 2: 34:14

I think the other one that's coming to mind for me is the Buffalo bills. Obviously Kincaid is the dude, but Dawson Knox is not. Garbage. I think that he will step into that role. If anything happens to Kincaid, he will get a lot more work. Oh, let's not forget Bowers and Mayer. I don't know why they drafted Bowers when they already had Mayer, but yeah, I think Mayer could do well. If. Bowers wasn't available. I do think they intend on Bowers to be the, you know, Oh, right. Bowers has to be the top dog, the top dog. But you know, mayor is a guy they drafted early second round. He's got the, got the sort of talent pedigree and Already showed flashes as a rookie.

Speaker: 35:06

well, the Anything else you want to discuss on Tide Ins?

Speaker 2: 35:12

Yeah, I figured it would be appropriate to go ahead and throw in some sort of like late round bench stashes, like sleeper guys, guys that could come out of nowhere and surprise people this year. I think that there's a couple of guys that I'm thinking of. And the first one would be in Seattle. You know, they got a new head coach. They got a new sort of system that they're implementing from Washington Huskies or whatever. And I don't know exactly what to expect out of the tight end position with that. With this grubs guy, but I noticed that what they did was the past three or four years, they had a huge rotation. Like they always use three, at least two tight ends in a rotation, and they didn't have anybody getting that high of a snap count, but they let everybody walk, except for Noah Phan. Noah Phan is obviously. The clear dude in Seattle right now, I think that there's a chance that he comes out of nowhere and just gets a bunch of work and a lot would surprise a lot of people. And I don't think he's going to go in most of these redraft, you know, drafts. He's the sort of guys you could just pick up, have them on the bench. You'll probably know in the first couple of weeks, if you want to hold on to him or just let him go for someone else, you know what I mean? And another guy who can't stay healthy. He's almost like the Christian Watson of tight ends. And every time he's been out there, he has looked good and he's earned targets, but he can't stay out there. Greg Dolchich, they didn't do anything in the draft or in free agency to replace Dolchich. I think he's going to be the starting tight end of that Sean Payton offense. And I think that he could get a lot of work. If he actually is healthy, who knows if he starts the season healthy or if he could stay healthy afterwards, but he's someone I could see actually being productive out of nowhere, going to cost you nothing to take a shot on him. You know,

Speaker: 37:14

that's your boy, Greg.

Speaker 2: 37:16

I think it's pretty good. I like him. And not only that, but when you think about the, the Broncos sad state at the receiver position right now, I mean, someone's got to cast passes for them. They got Courtland Sutton, who's clearly the best guy. And I mean, he's not even like an elite option or anything. I mean, Sean Payton loves doing lots of underneath stuff. Lots of dump ops. I don't, I don't understand why you wouldn't use. early and often if he is healthy. So

Speaker: 37:49

indeed, indeed. Is that all you have any, No, that's it. Yeah, that's about

Speaker 2: 37:55

it. I think those are all the guys that I'm most interested in for various reasons at the tight end position. I think that for a lot of these guys, they are going to reflect what they did last year. So, you know, that top 10 for the most part is pretty decent, pretty decent dudes, and I think we covered all of those sort of. Ways in which we think the landscape would change going into next year. I think that's about, that's about how I see it.

Speaker: 38:26

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