On this episode of the Pine Pony Podcast, join OG and Persian as they dive into the latest fantasy football updates, focusing on the running back position. They discuss the top performers from last season, who might step up, and who could be on the decline. They also share their takes on recent NFL lawsuits involving Randy Gregory and Sunday NFL ticket pricing. The conversation heats up with a discussion on Aaron Rodgers' unexcused absence from mandatory practices and its implications for the Jets. Don't forget to share your thoughts on Instagram and threads using Pine Pony Podcast!
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On this episode of the Pine Pony Podcast, join OG and Persian as they dive into the latest fantasy football updates, focusing on the running back position. They discuss the top performers from last season, who might step up, and who could be on the decline. They also share their takes on recent NFL lawsuits involving Randy Gregory and Sunday NFL ticket pricing. The conversation heats up with a discussion on Aaron Rodgers' unexcused absence from mandatory practices and its implications for the Jets. Don't forget to share your thoughts on Instagram and threads using Pine Pony Podcast!
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Speaker 3:Welcome welcome, welcome to another edition of the Pine Pony Podcast. It is me, the OG, and, as always, got the fantasy uncle. What's happening? Persian?
Speaker 2:Glad to be back for another installment. You know the topic this week is running backs and I've got a soft spot for running backs, you know.
Speaker 3:Especially older ones, right.
Speaker 2:I'm a realist. The NFL chews up and spits out these guys like nobody's business. But you know, they out there doing the Lord's work.
Speaker 3:That's right, doing the.
Speaker 1:Lord's work. Yes, praise Jesus, praise be to he.
Speaker 3:All right so with that being said, let's get into it. Let's start the show. So first little bit of news that I want to get into is I saw something come across my peripherals.
Speaker 1:If you will the wire if you will the why, as they say as the younger generation says on the line yeah, randy.
Speaker 3:Gregory sues the NFL and the Broncos for a 500k fine of THC in his system. What do you think about that?
Speaker 2:I did see this headline, but I didn't read through the details. I'm not sure what the argument would be here. If he failed a test, he's not allowed to fail. I mean the league's allowed to have their own THC rules, right, so I mean it's not allowed to fail. I mean then I mean the the league's allowed to have their own thc rules, right, so I mean it's not I. I just don't understand what the argument would be. Um, if you know what the heck he's trying to claim here, then maybe it would make more sense it's a discrimination.
Speaker 3:It's a discrimination lawsuit, um for uh, since that, he was fined 532 000 since march 23 for using a thc medication prescribed by a personal physician for diagnosed disabilities.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but, bro, you're in the nfl, you still can't use that stuff yeah, not only that, but the nfl actually has for each player like documentation they're supposed to fill out for all of the prescribed things that they take. So there should be no excuses for, oh, that the nfl didn't know. But I've got this, I've got this and he was it's.
Speaker 3:It was prescribed for anxiety and ptsd. The suit alleges that the nfl and the denver broncos refusal to accommodate his disabilities and discriminatory under Colorado law, although his previous teams are not named in the lawsuit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I just yeah. Nothing changes Now that I know what his argument is. Yeah, he just doesn't have a leg to stand on.
Speaker 3:I can't.
Speaker 2:Imagine very many judges being sympathetic to this at all.
Speaker 3:Anywho, speaking of lawsuits, we have another lawsuit Sunday NFL ticket lawsuit that kind of nobody's talking about.
Speaker 1:The NFL CBS Fox.
Speaker 3:DirecTV all being sued for $7.1 billion, which could turn into $21.3 billion or $656 million per team. And the reason this is happening is because they are being sued in the sense that the NFL and the media conglomerates overpriced Sunday Ticket on purpose to force people to watch the games that are shown locally on, like your fox or cbs. So they overpriced and made basically, they made it basically so. So no one really wanted to pay for sunday ticket with that three to four hundred dollar price tag so that they were forced to watch whatever game was on fox or go to their local bars and blah, blah, blah, where sunday ticket would then be paid for by seat per seat, so essentially like thousands of dollars.
Speaker 3:So why this is important is because us, the viewers, could finally come out ahead on this in one of a couple of ways, one way being that it could lower the cost of sunday ticket, or uh, which my preferred way, um it may, and I don't even know. I don't even know if I would do this, but you could purchase the team by itself. So you could, if you're a green bay fan, you could purchase only the green bay packers whole season, which is super cool. So you know, if, for you, you're a broncos fan, you typically do red zone only. Well, if you could watch every broncos game for a hundred bucks, like you like, who wouldn't do that? You know, like, per team, what do you?
Speaker 2:think yeah yeah, I think I think this one is. I agree with you that this one actually is low-key important and that I haven't heard much like sports media talk about it. Really, I do think that this could have the potential to be a real game changer. My gut is telling me that this isn't going to fly, though I think that it's not as egregious as the Gregory lawsuit, but I think most judges are going to say you don't have an inherent right to an organization like the NFL giving you an affordable Well, that's not what's being at.
Speaker 3:Hold on real quick. That's not what's being at play here. I'm just saying that could be a side effect.
Speaker 2:The lawsuit is saying that they overpriced it okay yeah, yeah, but the lawsuit says several different things, though, and one of the things that that is listed in the lawsuit is that, when it comes to these blackout games, that the, the nfl, actually has a local game that was blacked out and so it's not shown on the normal local Fox broadcast or CBS or whatever that those people would actually have to go to a bar or something like you said or get the NFL ticket in order to see the blackout games?
Speaker 3:Yeah, but if the game is blacked out on Sunday ticket. That means it's local in your network, so you just need an antenna, which is like 20 bucks.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, I'm pretty sure what happens is that if the game doesn't sell out, it's blacked out on the normal broadcast Panthers games often do not sell out and I guarantee you you can watch Panthers games.
Speaker 3:But I have heard what you're talking about. I have seen that in NBA games and things like that, but maybe because I'm not in charlotte maybe maybe the nfl doesn't.
Speaker 2:I think maybe what what might be happening is that the nfl has the language in the contracts that they, that they have the right to black out games if they want to, and maybe they just aren't necessarily blocking games. But I know that that was named as part of the lawsuit and people are basically saying the argument for that, part of it at least, is that hey look, we have a right to our local games being affordable to us, regardless of how many people went to the actual football game. And I just don't know that people could really argue that they have a certain right to affordability for something. You know there's, there's these things that people, you know that most states kind of give you a right to like you have an affordable, like regulated electrical, you know utility, utility system, whether it's water, electricity, stuff like that. But when it comes to entertainment, like the nfl, I, I just don't think there's any. Like you're, you have a right to something.
Speaker 3:Well, I mean there's an argument we made that it was. It has been given to us for free since its existence, so why, like? I'm not certain that they're taking away blackout games, but I don't know about that.
Speaker 1:I didn't see that language.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but my thing is just like, even though that we may have gotten it for free for the majority of the history of the league or or what have you it, it still is a different argument to make legally to say that, like the NFL is trying to funnel people into watching these three games that are on the networks that that have bid for this contract or whatever, and it ain't fair to us for them to funnel us in. But I think, legally speaking, they're allowed to manipulate that. Like they're allowed to say, like we're gonna charge yeah, they are legally speaking, but that's not what.
Speaker 3:That's not what the lawsuit is about. The lawsuit is about is that they offered something that maybe it wasn't meant for the everyday consumer and by doing that, the local affiliates, tv stations, fox, cbs the whole point of Sunday Ticket was for everybody to get all the games. Well, fox and CBS said well, if you do that, then you're going to take away money from us. And so then DirecTV said well, then we'll make it out-of-market games only and we'll raise the price so that not that many people will it will find that price attractive.
Speaker 3:And that is what I am specifically talking about, and that's what I'm thinking that the lawsuit is mainly about is because they basically offered something, price gouged it and funneled people into only getting a certain amount of games when a certain subset of people are allowed to get it. So what I am wondering is I think what they're just trying to say is that if you're going to offer it, it should be an option. It should be. I don't know, I don't think it'll get cheaper, but I think they will. They'll have to offer other options Because the local TV channels that's what it was all about from the get-go.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I will go back and look at the specifics because Because I've never, had a blackout game locally.
Speaker 2:I want to make sure, like I could always watch the panthers games, even in charlotte maybe not now, but always and they didn't definitely didn't sell out when I lived there yeah, that's why I say I want to go back and make sure that I understand, uh, what it is, and maybe we could bring it back up next week after I get a chance to actually make sure that I'm remembering this correctly, because it sounds like how I'm remembering it is not really what you're explaining with the, with the plaintiffs in this. Because the thing is that we've had lawsuits about housing before where people say, like you can't just set like a housing that's not really that good quality at such a high price and price out certain people, whereas judges have time and time again said, well, yeah, you can't. Yet like you don't, you don't necessarily have a right to affordable housing. And if you talk about something as important as housing, uh, I can't see how a judge is going to say, like, well, you do have the right to affordable local football games.
Speaker 2:You see what I'm saying, it's just I just don't see how that's. But I will go back and take a look at it, make sure I actually know what the hell I'm talking about, and then I'll circle back next week and we can talk about. And if everything that you're saying and what I'm remembering is true, then we won't have to. But I'm feeling like I'm probably just, like I'm probably not understanding it as well as I thought I did. But I agree with you, though it definitely has ramifications to really change things. That part I remember for sure.
Speaker 3:I think the whole point of the lawsuit is that it's an antitrust lawsuit and so it just broke antitrust laws by funneling, by forcing people to have you. You can't afford this, so you only get this free option. I think is the whole, is the whole in the nfl's case is that oh well, this is a premium product, this is a valuable premium product and and they want people to go to the free options versus this premium product. But what the the courts are saying is that, well, you broke laws by doing this and I think that's what right and that's and that is the problem and that's
Speaker 2:what I'm getting at I know usually yeah, I know usually antitrust is dealing in issues where uh multiple corporations come together to basically uh lie and uh cheat out anyone who else well, that's kind of.
Speaker 3:Basically, what happened is the nfl direct tv, cbs fox. All of them got together and said, oh well, we're going to make this one thing and then you're going to make it.
Speaker 2:We're all going to.
Speaker 3:You're going to get your money because some people are going to pay for it. We're going to get our money because enough people are going to watch it on our broadcast and everybody's going to get money, anyway, but yeah. So, moving on from a confusing lawsuit, let's let's talk about something not so confusing olympic pools in the indianapolis colts stadium. They built these pools for olympic trials.
Speaker 3:That's pretty cool, um nice yeah I support it and then, uh, you know also something else weird uh, falcons in hot water for tampering, for talking to kirk cousins before, and two other players, uh, but still, what's the penalty for tampering? Fifth round pick $500,000. Cool.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 3:Wait, I thought it was a first round pick.
Speaker 2:Maybe I read that wrong, but it seemed like it was a fifth pick. Maybe it was the fifth pick.
Speaker 3:Excuse me, the fifth pick.
Speaker 2:I think it was the fifth pick.
Speaker 3:Excuse me, the fifth pick. I think it was a 25 first, right the fifth. To me that actually sounds like a pretty steep. Why? That's what I'm saying. I already said.
Speaker 2:I got it. Let me see if I can find it. It's probably easy to find that I uh.
Speaker 3:I remember thinking, damn they yeah the falcons were docked a fifth round pick in 2025 in a 250 000 fine. That's weak. That's weak, that's weak okay that is not. That is oh, I violated your tampering policy and all you're taking away from me is that I got kurt cousins for a fifth round pick and some money I think, I think what would be fair would be like a day two pick, like a second or third rounder. Absolutely not.
Speaker 2:First rounder. If it's like a multiple, like it's your second.
Speaker 3:They talked to three different people.
Speaker 2:But the thing is.
Speaker 3:Three Kirk Cousins, Darnell Mooney and Charlie Warner. Three different people, they already know. First round pick. It should always be a first round pick.
Speaker 2:So I know that Kirk Cousins accidentally slipped up and told on them for his part, but how did they find out about the other two? Did all three of these players spill the beans? I?
Speaker 1:don't know.
Speaker 2:Because I know that Kirk Cousins fucked up and admitted that they tampered with him, which is like dude, that's dumb, Don't say that publicly. But I didn't realize that there was two more on the hook for the same shit.
Speaker 3:And then not even only that, this has been happening long before. The Falcons were apparently trying to get Saquon Barkley to come to them before man First round pick man. This didn't do anything but say, hey, I could do this again.
Speaker 2:It's not gonna be that bad yeah I think I kind of agree with you. Actually, I was gonna say like first round pick for second or third offense, but I mean when you're, when you're doing it with, with all of these players, like man bro.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they reviewed phone logs, text messages and other documents, all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 2:I feel like a fifth-round pick just isn't that big a deal to most organizations.
Speaker 3:All right, and then to the NBA real quick. The Finals is kind of a dud man. The Celtics are whooping that ass. Luka fouled out for the first time in his Finals career or in the playoffs ever, and it could be a sweep. We could be looking at a sweep.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Celtics looking really, really strong right now.
Speaker 3:So I almost forgot, because I didn't really you know what. I'm going to save it for the end. I'm going to save it for the end, alright, so let's get into it.
Speaker 1:Let's get into it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's right, populous. You got to listen to the end to hear this right here, this hot fire. Well, and that brings us to everyone's favorite part of the show, the main topic.
Speaker 1:Main topic.
Speaker 3:So let's get into it. But first, because we're talking about running backs, I wanted to bring up a future Hall of Famer, and his name is OJ Simpson. That's right, oj Simpson. His name is Todd Gurley, and Todd Gurley hasn't played since 2020, and yet this man is 7th since 2015 in most touchdowns scored. This man is still in the top 10 for most touchdowns scored since 2015, and that was only 5 years. He only played for 5 years and he got 79.
Speaker 2:McCaffrey has 81 yeah well, here's what I think that really speaks to is Sean McVay was Sean McVay there from 2015 to 20?.
Speaker 1:Anywhere.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know about 15, but definitely 16. He was there. I do think he was the one that drafted Gurley. I think he was there for his whole career. But what I was going to say, though, is that one thing that Sean McVay definitely does is that he runs the ball around the goal line. He hardly ever passes it at the goal line.
Speaker 2:That's why Kyron Williams had so many touchdowns last year Because they will literally just keep running the ball If they're inside the 10-yard line. They'll run the ball three or four times in a row if they need to. They love running the ball and I think that it's actually kind of a good point when you're thinking about fantasy running backs. Is you know, if there's going to be a guy who's going to be starting for Sean McVay, he's going to be getting those kind of short yardage or goal line touches. Good chance that he's going to get a bunch of touchdowns that season.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, and the list that I'm looking at, by the way, is all players, wide receivers, running backs, tight ends. He's seventh for five years. Travis Kelsey is on that list, it hasn't passed him 71. Damn yeah, alvin Kamara 78. Like it's crazy. It's crazy. Derrick Henry for fantasy owners 93.
Speaker 1:Whew.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was gonna say damn no, no, no, no.
Speaker 3:Gurley is 7th.
Speaker 2:I thought that's what you were about to say.
Speaker 3:Derrick Henry is 1st.
Speaker 1:I thought you were about to say that Vontae.
Speaker 3:Adams is 2nd, tyreek Hill is 3rd, ezekiel Elliott is 4th, mike Evans is 5th, christian McCaffrey is 6th and Todd Gurley oh, mike Evans is fifth. Christian.
Speaker 2:McCaffrey is sixth and Todd Gurley.
Speaker 3:Oh.
Speaker 2:Mike Evans. I kind of forgot about him. Yeah, I was going to say Zeke's got to be up there somewhere. But yeah, evans makes sense too, because I think he's gotten around 10, 11 touchdowns.
Speaker 3:So we are talking about running backs. So let's do what we do and we are talking about running backs. So let's do what we do and let's talk about running backs. On the top 10 of last year's fantasy football running backs, we got Christian McCaffrey, raheem Mostert, travis, etienne, kyron Williams, derrick Henry, joe Mixon, brees Hall, rashad White, david Montgomery, jameer Gibbs, james Cook oh sorry, james Cook was number 11. My fault.
Speaker 2:Oh man, bruh bruh, yeah, yeah, get your ass. Well, I just hey look, I want him.
Speaker 3:James Cook. Look out fans Guy's going to have a hell of a season, especially because I just picked him up in Dynasty.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, I was going to bring him up at some point tonight, but I figured you would want to start with the guys that I expect, or that we expect, to be like a shoeoo-in to return to the top 10. And for me I think it's actually most of them. I think Rashad White might get bumped out. I think I could see Rashad White not making it back in there. But when you go over that list, I think that I could see Raheem Mostert taking a step back because he ran really hot with touchdowns.
Speaker 2:I could see with Devon A-Chain and you know they drafted Jalen Wright, so I could see him getting a little less of the share than he got last year because Devon A-Chain was hurt for so much of last year. I could see him falling out of the top 10 as well. But I think I think most of these guys yeah, they're there for pretty good reason. I guess I'm a little bit down on Derrick Henry too, just because his age and I don't like the the way that that offensive line is looking right now. I could see him not.
Speaker 3:So the people that I'm really liking within that top 10 to move up are Jameer Gibbs David Montgomery. Jameer Gibbs got 51% of the snaps and David Montgomery got 49% of the snaps. Both of them did outstanding with that and I don't see why they would go away from that. David Montgomery's not going anywhere. David Montgomery, I think the main reason why he did a tiny bit better is because he got those goal line snaps. He got the red zone snaps, whereas Jameer Gibbs didn't. But Jameer Gibbs got passing. He got a lot of you know catching. You know if you're in a PPR league. He got those points over David Montgomery. So I really like both of those two guys either one of them for me. I have Jameer Gibbs personally, so I obviously want him to do better, but either one of those guys, I think, is a shoe-in to be in the top 10. Yeah, like you said, rashad White, I don't know much about what he can and can't do.
Speaker 3:Brees Hall I expect him to do a little bit better. Maybe get into that top five status. Maybe take over where Derrick Henry is. I don't think Derrick Henry will drop out of the top ten, but I think he will drop further down in the top ten, maybe in that tenth or ninth spot man Travis Etienne for me is I just don't really know. He has good seasons but they're not anything flashy. Christian McCaffrey scored 324 points last year. Travis Etienne 224. I mean that's great, that's good. I'm not saying he's bad, but it was just like I just expect more out of him. I, I guess, because I'm a clemson guy, so I just like expected him to be a little bit more flash, like a little bit more. I mean he had, he had 11 touchdowns. So it's like all his points, I feel like, are just grinding on the yards and catching balls. So I think he going to drop a little bit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, one thing that I noticed about Travis Etienne over the past couple years is basically any time that the Jaguars are doing well as a team, then he does well, and when the Jaguars' offense is kind of struggling, he doesn't make plays on his own so much, as he just he gets fantasy points off of the volume, like if they're up, if they're constantly up, then they will feed him.
Speaker 2:He'll get two, three, four yards per carry. He doesn't have actually a lot of big plays, which he was kind of known for coming out of Clemson, you know like people expected him to be a big play kind of guy. Hasn't actually done much of that. And you know, in, like I said, in games where they do well as a team, as particularly if they're putting up lots of points, then he's a part of that and otherwise he he can have some really dead games and I just feel like it. It really comes down to how much, how much faith you have in the jaguars this season. I don't know, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I think that he he'll probably be in that top 10 top 12 conversation, because he is going to get the majority of the work, but let me know that excites me. I think he'll be more like a bottom half sort of guy. He he got points. The same way rashad white got points, and by that I just mean he got almost all of the touches in his backfield.
Speaker 2:And so eventually you know off of off of that well, you certainly can't be mad about that, but I think that the difference between the two is that they didn't really do anything to bring anyone else in in Jacksonville, whereas the Buccaneers actually drafted in the third round Bucky Irving, who they expect to take over some of that first and second down work. Rashad White's really great in the pass game, but I expect that rashad white actually takes a step back this year and his well, we're real quick.
Speaker 3:On travis etn, what I wanted to say. Uh, within this top 10, he is second in lowest average amounts of yard per carry, at 3.8. At 3.8, he is second Well, not second, but he's among the bottom of fantasy points per game, at 13.2. There's a lot of people sitting around 12.9, 12.6, but the beast you know christian mcafree, raheem mostar, even kyron williams 18.6, 16.2, 20.3 per game yeah, like that's that, like that's elite, that's elite level.
Speaker 3:uh, running back fantasy, um. So so what I wanted to move on to within that realm is you know who? Who do we think could, could, excuse me project to move in or closer to the top 10, and some of those guys right outside the top 10 is B John Robinson, for obvious reasons. Kirk Cousins effect Different play calls.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Arthur Smith is gone. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Another guy, gus Edwards. Moving over to the Chargers Looks like he's the only dude that's even healthy.
Speaker 2:Right now they got JK Dobbins. Jk Dobbins actually said a couple days ago there's no timeline. Right now he doesn't even know when he's going to return to the practice field again. So it's like damn, they drafted Kamani Vidal, but they didn't draft him until the sixth round, so they're not expecting much of him. I think they really do expect it to be the Gus Edwards show, and the cool thing about that is that Harbaugh is known as a run first guy. He loves to run the ball. Very first pick of the first round was an offensive lineman because he wants to run the ball. Very first pick of the first round was an offensive lineman because he wants to run the ball. And so I agree with you Gus Edwards is a senior.
Speaker 1:He could be a 200-point fantasy player this year.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I just think that he's going to get the majority of the touches and in a run-first offense it's going to be a lot of work and so, even if he's not that efficient, he'll turn in the kind of season that we just talked about with rashad white and with travis ctn, where he'll end up being a nice you know uh, starter for your, for your fantasy roster and, uh, you know, you could probably get him late in drafts when draft season rolls around. One dude I, one dude I wanted to bring up and I honestly can't remember did you say he already was a top 10 guy? That?
Speaker 1:jimmy gibbs, or was he number 10 of?
Speaker 2:that he was okay. Well, real quickly, I'll just say that, um, dan campbell basically has said multiple times this offseason that he expects Jameer Gibbs to actually take on more work than he did last year because he's more comfortable with the playbook than he was. And so one thing that we've learned about Dan Campbell is that he's actually a pretty honest coach, where most of the coaches they bullshit when they talk to the media uh, dan Campbell, and shout out to coach speak index. If you haven't heard of coach speak index. They're on Twitter and Instagram and all the socials and they basically rate these head coaches on how often they bullshit about stuff and how often they tell the truth.
Speaker 2:And what's interesting is that Dan Campbell and and your boy lafleur almost never lie. They actually just say what they mean, which is awesome. So when dan campbell says I expect him to take on the larger role, I believe him and I think that jubair gibbs has a good chance of of pushing up higher this year because he's going to take on more of that work and he looked great. I honestly thought he was the better running back when he did get the ball in his hands. You know, like you said, montgomery got a lot of that goal line work, so he got a lot of touchdowns there. But you saw Jameer get scored.
Speaker 3:Right, yeah, he's got that speed. He's got that speed and that open ability to just make people miss.
Speaker 2:And I could see him just having a huge year. You know who else.
Speaker 3:I'm liking. I'm really, really liking Pacheco this year. What do you think about him?
Speaker 2:You like him. Yeah, I was going to bring him up. Yeah, the cool thing about Pacheco is that they didn't actually bring anyone in this year to compete with him. People were saying, oh, this guy was a seventh round draft pick and they don't care too much about him. They're gonna bring someone in to compete with him. They don't really care about him, but guess what?
Speaker 2:I think he could be like top 10 where uh, jameer gives is you know 10 yeah, and another thing that's cool is that, like oftentimes, we see who the coaches trust the most in the playoffs and then when it came playoff time, he got a lot of work. Clyde Edwards, hilaire hardly ever saw the field, and so that that tells me that they have all the trust in the world in him. I don't care that he was formerly a seventh round pick. At this point he should be seen as a top 12, at least top 15 yeah, absolutely you know, I agree with you there.
Speaker 2:Another guy I wanted to say uh, and you said that he, he just missed out this past year yeah james cook.
Speaker 2:I think that when they changed offensive coordinators last year, I wasn't a big fan of that, but what they did do is they? They ran the ball much more after that change and james cook started getting a lot of touches week in and week out, and so I could see them basically just continuing that because they kept that same offensive coordinator that was there at the back half of the year. He was on Well and let's not forget Stefan Diggs isn't there anymore.
Speaker 3:So some of that wide receiver firepower is is a little taken back, you know, not completely gone, but a little A little. So there might be times where at the beginning of the season you might get a lot more out of James Cook. If you know, maybe they're running heavier, you know, and I'm not saying the workload will back off, I'm just saying maybe you know, you might start out at the beginning of the season collecting 25-point games and then maybe you'll get to 20-point games or 16-point games or something as the season goes on. I mean, I think he averaged last year 11. So you know, anywhere above that is a better season.
Speaker 2:You could see a big difference in his workload after the first, like nine or ten games.
Speaker 3:I think, it was.
Speaker 2:And then he just starts there. He's getting like 20 carries plus six passes each game and I mean that's that's a good workload and I don't see any reason why they would necessarily change that. Like you already hinted at when, when you look at their wide receiving roster, it's not a great roster. I understand you got Josh Allen, but they got every reason in the world to run the ball. At this point their best wide receiver is probably Curtis Samuel. I mean that's not great. That's not great. I mean their two top target earners, stephon.
Speaker 1:Tate and.
Speaker 2:Gabe Davis are gone, so if nothing else, they'll probably throw to him more than they did last year. I'm kind of liking him to sneak in.
Speaker 3:I'm really liking my trade now yeah.
Speaker 2:Hey, look, it was a fair trade. I understood that. Look, I wanted to go up and get Nico from you, so I had to kind of take the lesser running back and give you the better one in order to bounce that out, and I got the guy I wanted.
Speaker 3:I'm fine with it now. I'm fine with it now. So I want to kind of get into a little bit of the negative of some of these guys and I'm going to start out with a hot take. A hot take I think Joe Mixon Is finally Going to have A semi bad season. This guy I've went back and looked he's been in the top Five fantasy running Bags for at least Three years running and he was six last year. So 2020, 2021 or whatever it was 2021, 2022, 2023 I'll say he's top six. That's incredible. I mean, the guy is an absolute beast and every year I shit on him and every year he, he fucking, somehow he is like their go-to guy. He's the, he is the battery that never stops. He's so good fantasy wise.
Speaker 2:Well, the thing? The thing is that, like the thing is that I keep expecting them to give him less of a workload in Cincinnati and then every year they kept giving him just like 80, 90% of the touches you know, even after they drafted. Chase Brown.
Speaker 3:Look at this right here, like in the third round, he has in the top 10, he has the third most attempts, the third most attempts, the third most attempts or fourth most, 257. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean he. He hasn't been injured that much over the past few years. I mean, he's he plays almost all the time, and the Bengals ended up giving him so much work. Here's the thing, though. Do you think that he gets that same workload with the Texans? I think that the Texans have maybe even a better offense than what the Bengals had, but I don't know. I don't know that they give him the same thing, because the Bengals just gave him so much. You know what?
Speaker 3:He might not get the same workload, but he he probably somehow squeak out. Like you know, he's got nine touchdowns.
Speaker 2:He'll probably somehow get 12 like, like, yeah, I do I love joe but I just think.
Speaker 3:I think it's time. I mean the guy's old right, he's, he's old At some point.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think he's like 29. Or he's going to turn 29 soon.
Speaker 3:He's old. He's old, that's old for a running back Another guy. I'm looking at number 15, james Conner. I think he's going to drop down a little bit this year, probably outside the top 15. I just got a sneaky feeling. Also Kenneth Walker III at 16.
Speaker 2:I just think that's the way Seattle's headed. Walker's a guy I wanted to bring up too. The thing about Walker is that they've got Charbonnet there and Charbonnet looked good in his opportunities last year and, like walker, ended up getting the bigger portion of that of that committee. But now they've got a whole new coaching staff. So it's like who's to say that this new coaching staff doesn't actually like charbonnet a little bit more than they do, like they were both second round picks so they're?
Speaker 2:so it's not like either of them are bad backs or anything like that, but if anything, I could see it just being a straight 50-50 instead of a 60-40, in which case that's certainly going to hurt Walker, and so I just can't imagine Walker's going to do as well as he did the past two. Kareem Hunt is coming back this year.
Speaker 3:And if Kareem Hunt stays healthy, jerome Ford is catching less touches. He's a great back and I do believe he should be starting somewhere. He had a hell of a season last year. He was phenomenal. He was phenomenal Not even just, in my opinion, fantasy, because he I mean he, I just I just I don't know he had. He had a bunch of great games that I won a lot of games with him and and so, but fantasy wise he was 19th. He did play all 17 games, but obviously some of those were not starting so he played like a couple downs.
Speaker 3:But I would, honestly, if I was the Browns, I would look at trading him, trade Jerome Ford or trade Kareem Hunt. But you gotta move one of those two guys because Hunt's getting up there in age, he's also. He got injured last year. If he gets injured this year, now you're done, you don't have any chance. So I'd look to move one of those guys before the season starts and then maybe pick up a running back from somewhere else from the UFL or something like that to get you through the season. Because you've already got Deshaun Watsonatson, he can run.
Speaker 2:You've got other guys, you don't need, uh, both running backs yeah, well, one thing I noticed that I think went a little bit under the radar is that they actually paid three million for oh, I forgot about that and so I think there's a chance that yeah, and, and it's like it's just the one year deal. So it's not like a huge investment or anything, but the thing is is that that's more money than most of these running backs are getting for these one year deals Like three million is not the same as the minimum.
Speaker 1:Fuck yeah.
Speaker 2:That kind of shows me that they expect him to get that workload as well. Shows me, that kind of shows me that they expect him to get that workload as well. Not only that, but but when you look at the chance that like we don't we really don't know the timetable, but there's a chance that, like second half of the season, that chubb- oh, chubb, I'm sorry, I said hunt.
Speaker 3:I don't know why I said hunt. I meant chubb, I'm sorry, sorry populace, sorry populace. Oh okay, I meant nick chubb. I was talking about kareem, but for whatever reason, I meant nick chubb. I was talking about korean, but for whatever reason, I meant nick chubb okay, so yeah.
Speaker 2:So between the fact that they low-key did pay foreman more than he's ever gotten and the fact that chubb probably will be back at some point, although we're not really sure- right, I think that that means that, like jerome ford, like you said, is not going to be in for as much workload as he ended up getting last year.
Speaker 2:He was a great guy to have last year. I picked him up in a couple leagues right off of the waivers and he was usable. He was you know kind of guy guy that could help you out in the flex and your second RB spot, stuff like that.
Speaker 3:But I agree with you that I wouldn't expect man, I'm mad that you let me go through that whole thing and said Hunt's thing and didn't even think to correct me.
Speaker 2:I'm upset with you.
Speaker 3:Is he? I don't even care, man. Fuck the Browns. They got too many running backs. That's their problem, man. This is why Kevin Stefanski doesn't deserve an extension.
Speaker 2:I thought that's who you were talking about.
Speaker 3:Yes, Well, hey, there's too many running backs in the room.
Speaker 1:That's the funny thing about it.
Speaker 3:Jerome.
Speaker 2:Ford's not going to get the play that he should Either way it all still fucking stands.
Speaker 3:I'm keeping it. I'm keeping it in now. Kareem Hunt, nick Chubb are back. Jerome Ford needs to be traded, needs to be fantasy-wise arrowed down, but he needs to be traded and if I were the Browns, I would get rid of him or one of the other anybody that you can get picks, because right now, nick Chubb and jerome ford are both starters, in my opinion, and yeah, and I think nick chubb and jerome ford.
Speaker 2:When it comes time for these redraft leagues, when it comes time to your draft, both of those guys are going to go somewhere in the mid-rounds probably. And the thing about it is that you can get Deontay Foreman, who might literally end up being the main ball carrier there. You can get him at the very end Absolutely. Or maybe even he goes undrafted. Absolutely, you can just get him for free, and he's a guy that has an eeky downside here.
Speaker 3:You know, do you want to get it or is that all you had for kind of people moving downward down? Errors by him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think as far as.
Speaker 3:Jeez take forever.
Speaker 2:No, there was a couple I wanted to bring up real quick I won't take forever, but the uh, I think the saquon barkley hype is a little bit overblown. I think that part, part of what makes him valuable in fantasy is all the, the catches that he gets. And the thing is that the eagles don't pass to their running backs much at all. They just don't. They just don't. Okay, He'll do all right because he will get a lot of carries and sometimes he'll get touchdowns. But the thing is that when, when they get to the goal line, what did they do? They do the tush push. They don't run the running back into the end zone. And if you're taking away a lot of his goal line runs, and you're taking away a lot of, but anyway you know. So I think the hype is a little bit overblown on him. And then also, you know we already touched on Derrick Henry I don't trust that offensive line. That's all I'll say about that. And then the last one that I kind of wanted to hear on here was Alvin Kamara.
Speaker 3:I think that Alvin Kamara one he's getting old and two, Can I just say he averages more yards than Travis Etienne, I know that his yards per carry has gone down.
Speaker 2:He's getting less and less efficient and I efficient and I okay, well, hey, don't draft dtm that high either. But here's the thing is that I I think that kendre miller, with the guy they drafted in the second or third round last year, he was injured the almost the entire season. I think they're going to give him more of a workload this year, especially considering that kamara's kind of going the wrong way, that the efficiency is dropping. It's not getting better as he ages. It's not going to get any better. I think that he's riskier than most people realize. You know they see a huge workload that he got last year and they think, oh, money in the bank. And I'm telling you he's, he's just riskier. I think that he's not going to get that same workload and even if he does, there's a chance that the efficiency just keeps getting worse.
Speaker 3:He's not quite as fast and quick as he was he just eats up that passing game, bro, he eats up that passing game, 86 targets, and so I think that he's a guy that's probably going to go overdraft.
Speaker 2:Oh, he does, he does, he does, and the truth is I'm not sure yet where he is going to go in drafts, so there's a chance that he's going at a more reasonable spot, but I expect that there's going to be a lot of people.
Speaker 1:All right.
Speaker 2:Because of the name brand that he brands.
Speaker 3:So moving on to the final running back topic sleepers.
Speaker 1:So I've got a few sleepers. We'll see.
Speaker 3:And some guys that are just going to move up, but we don't. You know. Obvious arrow up in general and then a little bit of sleeper action, right? So arrow up in general for me that we haven't already spoken about Arrow up in general.
Speaker 3:Josh that we haven't already spoken about Josh Jacobs, for obvious reasons. He's going to the Packers A way better team than the Raiders were last year and he was still 25th. He was just behind Alvin Kamara and he only played 13 games last year. He was just behind Alvin Kamara and he only played 13 games last year. So even if he just plays all the games, it's already going to be a better season than last season and I just expect him to A get more targets in receiving as well, and I mean 238 attempts. He'll probably get right around that same amount. I don't see him getting a lot more rushes Maybe 240, but that's a lot. 238 is a lot in 13 games, but we don't need. We have AJ Dillon, marshawn Lloyd, so I don't necessarily see his attempts going up, it's just he's going to do better per attempt.
Speaker 2:Yeah Right, absolutely. That's exactly what I was going to say. I was going to mention him too. I think his efficiency is going to go up because, frankly, it's just a better offensive line and a better offense overall than what was going on with the raiders. But uh, like I hinted at before, lafleur is one of these guys who kind of just tells you the truth.
Speaker 2:And he said about the jacobs signing. He said yeah, jacobs is a guy who could handle a balcow workload if we needed him to, but I prefer to platoon those guys. So he said straight up you know he's not going to be an 80% guy or whatever, absolutely.
Speaker 3:But he doesn't need to be.
Speaker 2:That's the thing is. I have an arrow up for him too, because I think he's going to get basically the Aaron Jones workload and I think he's going to do just fine with that.
Speaker 3:We saw Aaron.
Speaker 2:Jones was on a per-game basis was a top-ten guy himself last year.
Speaker 3:Another guy arrow up for me, jonathan Taylor Going to play a few more games. He only played 10 games last season. What's his injury status? I'm not sure on that. He's projected to go, so A he's going to play more games. So it's obviously already better. And then if Anthony Richardson is a good to go at the beginning of the season, just the two of them combined. I'm really liking Indy's offense team right now. I love anybody on Indy right now.
Speaker 3:And then real quick, I think, um, and then real quick, um, I man, I think jk dobbins really could be a sleeper um, just because of he's reuniting with greg roman, um, and they had a good relationship together and you know, I mean, he would not, maybe not this, maybe in the back half, maybe for a playoff push or something like that, but dynasty purposes, maybe you could pick him up, just kind of stash him and things like that in the sleeper terms. And then, as far as sleepers more this season, najee Harris, just even the addition of Russell Wilson and Justin Fields, that offense is instantly going to at least be an offense. They will actually put positive yards on the field. So I think that obviously helps Najee Harris. So maybe that could work into where where, boom, he just gets a shot in the arm and all of a sudden has a really, really good season because he has at least a serviceable quarterback. Yeah, and then, last but not least for me, chuba Hubbard.
Speaker 3:I just I don't know, I think he I mean I'm afraid of everything on that offense.
Speaker 2:You're not afraid of the Jonathan Brooks draft, but I mean in pure fantasy terms.
Speaker 3:I mean, I'm looking at him. He had 143 points last year, 26th ranking. I think he could do better with the brian canalis a little bit better, um, you know if he, if he doesn't get his attempts taken away by, by, as you, the four mentioned, brooks, um, but with Canales being there, I think the offense is going to be better Passing-wise for sure, just because he's already proven to do that. And so I think when your passing game gets better, your running game gets a little bit better. So I think Chubo Hubbard is in line to at least project it to have a better season than last year with a terrible team they had last year.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think, like you hinted at, I think there's a chance that he ends up losing a lot of his workload to Brooks in the second half of the season. But the thing about Brooks is that he did not tear his ACL until Thanksgiving, which makes it a pretty aggressive recovery for him to actually be back at the beginning of the football season. He's saying that he's going to do it, but I'm skeptical and I think even after once he is 100% and he's cleared you know 100% they're still going to manage his workload heavily. I think he's going to be eased back in at practice and the whole nine yards. And so I do think Earlier in the season, maybe the first quarter, maybe the first third Chuba Hubbard will be a good value because he'll be cheap in drafts and stuff like that and he'll probably be usable. Eventually it'll become murkier. But I will say this for Hubbard he's been not the intended starter every season of his career and somehow he always ends up being productive.
Speaker 2:He almost had 1 a thousand yards last year a boatload of money last year and crazy he'll won that job I could totally see a universe where the hot shot yeah, that's what I mean on a bad offense with a bad offensive line, yeah, every time that he's gotten the, the opportunity he's produced, and and I even said to Smith, you know, friend of the pod, big Panthers fan I was like man, I think it's literally disrespectful for Chubbard, for Chubbard. I think it's disrespectful for the newly minted Chubbard to not give him the chance. Why are you going to draft this guy second round?
Speaker 3:Hey look, I didn't drink the Chuba. I didn't drink the Chuba. Hubbard Kool-Aid, friend of the pod Smith it was telling me we were in Birmingham for Furnace Fest and he was telling me Chuba Hubbard is that guy.
Speaker 3:We were eating pizza and he was like Chuba Hubbard is that guy. And I said I laughed at him because I laughed at the name, I laughed at everything. I'm drinking Kool-Aid this season. He's won me over. Hey, when you have consistent seasons and you're not supposed to be the guy, you should win everybody over he's won you over, you should win everybody over.
Speaker 2:I just won you over. Yeah, yeah, I was surprised that they decided to do it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's still there. He's still there.
Speaker 2:You know the fact that he actually did well and plus they played the fuck out of Sanders. He's still there. Might as well use him, right, but they fucking hate sanders, that's for sure, uh. But at any rate, uh, I'll go ahead and and uh mention a couple guys here. I think that zach moss is is in a really good position now. He's still just, I think, 25 and a half years old or whatever. Not quite that too old point.
Speaker 2:And now he goes to yeah, I like where you're thinking without joe mixon, and so it's like he might just get that same joe mixon workload and if he does, it's definitely going to be arrow up in that situation. So I think that there's a good chance that he's going to come out of value. He's going to be an arrow up guy. Um, another guy who you know the window the window really seems to be opening for him is zamir white.
Speaker 2:You know it was josh jacobs up until he got hurt and then, when he was hurt, zamir white took over. He looked pretty good, he got a lot of work. When he was hurt, zemir White took over. He looked pretty good, he got a lot of work and he was just as efficient as Josh Jacobs was on a per-touch sort of basis, and it looks like they didn't do much to bring in any competition. I think Zemir White is going to get a ton of work and he's going to be a guy that's going to be arrow up in the same way and then, um, he is the dude, but he's not going to be good you're probably going to laugh at this one, but I think jerry jones signed zeke to be the dude.
Speaker 2:I think zeke is actually going to be the dude. Well, the thing is that he he's going to be goal line back. He's still a big dude that they could ram into the line and I think the offense is going to be good enough.
Speaker 3:Stay away from Zeke.
Speaker 2:He's going to end up with double-digit touchdowns, even if he's not Stay away from Zeke Elliott.
Speaker 3:Ezekiel Elliott only had four seasons with 1,000 yards, and that was his first four seasons.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry.
Speaker 3:And that was when the Dallas Cowboys had the best offensive line, the best offensive line in the National Football League. They don't have that anymore.
Speaker 2:He's old Stay Everything he is telling you goes against what the fantasy uncle even says in his own book.
Speaker 3:He's old the offense like stay away well, it's all.
Speaker 2:It's all relative, though. The thing is that everyone's left him for dead. They're like oh, he's nothing. So I mean you're gonna, he's gonna go.
Speaker 3:I don't think he's gonna go very late, though I think people are gonna think he's gonna return to Zeke cause he's back with Jerry yeah he probably won't go, he probably won't even be drafted.
Speaker 2:Oh no, people have totally given up on him. He couldn't even get on the field in New England man.
Speaker 3:Bullshit, bull, fucking shit.
Speaker 2:Ain't no way I got $5 on it $5 on double-digit touchdowns. I'm writing it down now. As long as he stays healthy, we'll see.
Speaker 1:Double digit.
Speaker 3:So 10 touchdowns. He has to have 10 touchdowns.
Speaker 2:Put your hand to the camera. No, no, no.
Speaker 1:Fuck that dude.
Speaker 2:He had three touchdowns he had three touchdowns last season. If he stays healthy, he's not coming close to that. If he stays healthy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but he wasn't the starter last year he's going to be the starter.
Speaker 2:I'm telling you, I think he's going to be the dude.
Speaker 3:Dude, he wasn't even the starter. He wasn't even the starter. He wasn't even the starter and he was better than the starter in New England.
Speaker 2:It's fine, we'll see. We'll see who wins.
Speaker 3:In fantasy. Yes, he is 33. He is 33. I can't even Wait. Was?
Speaker 2:he better than the starter.
Speaker 3:I have to go to the next page for the next New England guy.
Speaker 2:Oh, wow.
Speaker 3:Romandre is bad, no, I'm kidding, I'm kidding, he was 35.
Speaker 2:Romandre played 12 games man Romandre must suck ass.
Speaker 3:Romandre had more touchdowns than Zeke and Zeke played five more games than he did.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but Marmandre was Alright whatever Fuck Zeke.
Speaker 3:That's what I'm saying Everyone has left Zeke to do because he couldn't even win that job in New England.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I mean, my Homer brain is telling me to bring up Javante. Javante was coming on with a really nasty ACL tear.
Speaker 2:Last year His efficiency was not good but we have seen in the second year back from ACL tears a lot of times that the running bats he's better than Zeke. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I think we'll see him bounce back and he'll look to prime shape. The bigger question is just going to be is that Denver offense going to be able to move the ball at all? You know, because it could be that he looks really good and he still can't get much production fantasy-wise. But if they end up being kind of an average offense, then I could see him doing well because he's going to get lots of passes in that Peyton offense. They love passing to the running backs. I think he's going to have a bounce back Absolutely, absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 3:And so that ends it for the running back talk. But one thing I want to leave you with Fabulous, and I wasn't going to bring it up, but then the story got juicier, so now I have to talk about it Aaron Rodgers and the Jets. Aaron Rodgers says all offseason, with football, anything not football has to go away. Not football has to go away. We can't. We can't have all the things outside of football if we want to win so he goes to.
Speaker 1:OTAs. He sure did, he goes.
Speaker 3:He goes to all of this voluntary shit.
Speaker 2:That's right.
Speaker 3:And then, lo and behold what happens. The first mandatory practice Two days, two days. All he had to do was show up for two days, will show up for two days and he has somewhere else that he would rather be that. And it was so much so that the Jets did not agree and therefore are fining him for not showing up. To me, it's just like what you said in the offseason Anything non-football has to go away, alright, well, what Then? What the fuck are you doing, man? We have two mandatory days. You couldn't show up for two days, for two fucking days. And yet we're supposed to believe in you as a leader, as this care about football, that you want to win this. And then what makes matters worse is, instead of keeping all of it in house, robert sala comes out there, throws him under the fucking bus and tells him it's unexcused. You know, you know, we agreed upon it. He told us about it, but we didn't agree upon him going to it. So therefore, we're gonna find him, we're gonna find him yeah and I'm just like.
Speaker 3:I don't understand the appeal of this guy. I don't, he doesn't care about football man. He doesn't care about football man. He doesn't care about football. And when he doesn't even put his own name in his fucking mouth, other people do and it's just constant.
Speaker 2:I just think it's so.
Speaker 3:Constant. He's worthless, he's a cancer and I hope the Jets fucking Stay away from the Jets players people. I'm staying away from Jets players people. I'm staying away from Jets guys. This year I already have Breeze Hall on my team, but that's neither here nor there, I just.
Speaker 2:It just made my day when all the fucking sports radio started talking about that.
Speaker 3:Oh, it is being deemed an inexcused absence by Aaron Rodgers and, of course, and we know it's not a family-related problem, because he doesn't have any family, because he's annexed them out.
Speaker 2:Not okay, it has to go. It has to be only football. It has to be only football.
Speaker 3:Right, exactly.
Speaker 2:Well, the thing is that if it was anything that actually was of importance, it would be an excuse thing.
Speaker 3:I hope it's like a concert and we get a video of him just jamming out somewhere. He wasn't going to come to the mandatory thing. I hope it's like a concert and we get like a video of him like just jamming out somewhere.
Speaker 2:He was in communication with them from the get-go that he wasn't going to come to the mandatory thing, oh, I hadn't heard about it yet he doesn't have a daughter. Well, actually they did find out what it was it was. It was like something to do with his daughter, An event that his daughter was.
Speaker 3:He doesn't talk to his brother, he doesn't have a daughter. What could it possibly be?
Speaker 2:It was not football, though it was not football.
Speaker 3:He doesn't have a child. Why would no, no, no, no, no, no. That is staying in there. That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
Speaker 2:Okay, my bad, please edit that out. Please edit that out. No, someone did find out what it was, though. I remember hearing that, but I can't remember what it was. But the thing is just that it's just so funny because this is Rogers 101. This is basically. I am above the team, I am above everybody else. I do what I want to do, and that's fine, and I, low-key, call the shots. Anytime I'm on a team, I get my hand in all the pies and I just do whatever I want. And I think it's beautiful because I want to see this just fail. I want to see this fucking go down in flames, after all of the hype and all of the hope and all of the yada, yada. I don't want him to get injured and that's why, like last season, I want him to go out there on the field and and people, everyone gets to see that he's not the same dude he was five six years ago.
Speaker 2:That's what I want to see, because everyone's just expecting him to be the same dude. He wasn't the same dude the final year in green bay, and so all of the shit that he talks about. Yeah, I could still play on a whatever level. I just got to have the right buy-in from my teammates and my coaches and my blah, blah, blah. Guess what? Everyone's drinking your fucking juice. Everyone's drinking the Rodgers punch. They're all bought in. So it's all going to be on Rodgers when he flops and I think that's going to be great. It's just like mind-blowing.
Speaker 3:to me it's like anybody who's like hey.
Speaker 3:I want to win a championship Got busted out in the first game. You'd think you would think, boom, I'm going to be at everything. I want to be at everything. I want to win. I want to get back in the dude. Everything I want to win, I want to get back into the dude. Just, quite frankly, doesn't fucking care and I'm just so sick of the fucking hype around his ass and I I I hope you know what I want him to win. I want them all to win, and what I want to happen pie in the sky is I want it to be the jets versus the fucking packers in the super bowl and I want to fucking beat the living shit out of them with Jordan Love and these bunch of fucking bullshit receivers.
Speaker 3:That Rodgers said was no good Was no good. These guys suck. These guys aren't Alan Lazard. These aren't James Jones. These guys are trash. I can't do anything with them. That's basically how he treated them. So fuck him. And according to Colin Coward, he's on vacation overseas. He needed a break from football for a week. Like motherfucker, that is your job. I would love I'm sorry, I would love to get paid millions of dollars, but I'd be at every. I'd be at every practice. I'd be like what do you mean? I got to work six, six. I got to really work like Six months out of the year and I get paid 25 million dollars a year to do that. All right, I'm showing up to everything.
Speaker 2:Are you?
Speaker 3:kidding me. I got to show up to everything and I don't get paid nearly the amount of that much.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and the thing is that the Jets have shown. Yeah, I mean, it's all bullshit. Aaron Rodgers owns that team. Salah's gone mid-year.
Speaker 3:Salah's gone mid-year. Salah's gone mid-year.
Speaker 2:Salah will be fired this season Because they're going to lose.
Speaker 3:They're going to lose right off the bat, and then it's all going to be on Salah, because the media is going to be like, oh you, let Rodgers go do this, you let Rodgers go do this. And I mean, where's Nathaniel Hackett in all this? Fucking? Nowhere. He's just up Rodgers' ass. I hate the whole team. The whole team stinks. The whole team stinks. I'm so glad Matt LaFleur is my head coach and Jordan Love is my quarterback, and that is how I'm going to end this.
Speaker 1:That's it.
Speaker 2:I just don't fucking like the dude. I will be transparent. I'm sure this makes me look hateful or negative or something. I just hate how Rogers is just emblematic of everything wrong in this country with all the silly bullshit he says.
Speaker 3:Matter of fact.
Speaker 2:He never says anything like hey, I'm not sure, or hey, you know, double check this. Or hey, I'm not. You know, I'm not an expert on the thing.
Speaker 2:He just says all kinds of silly shit it's like he just, he just wants you, yeah, to just believe all of this and it's just like bro, just, oh, it's just so, he's just, he's just a big sea of silliness, man, and I just don't like the guy. I just don't like the guy. So I want to see him fail and yeah, and not in a way where he gets injured like last year. I just want to see, I just want to, I just want everyone to see that he's not the fucking dude that he's been claiming the past couple seasons. He's not.
Speaker 3:It's over for him yeah, bro, you are lebron.
Speaker 2:James, let's fucking chill out all right, he's not and with that all and with all that being said, bullshit, like if you'd like to make a comment on the Aaron Rodgers situation.
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