Don't look behind the curtain....Let's Talk Head Coaches

Welcome to another edition of the Pine Pony Podcast! This week, we have special guest Mr. Tiger Liggins joining us for an exciting discussion. We'll cover the latest NFL news, explore the performance of current head coaches, and look at which coaches might be on the hot seat. We'll also dive into innovative advertising in sports broadcasts and offer our take on Joe Burrow's ideas for the NFL season. To wrap things up, we'll celebrate the firing of Greg Berhalter from the U.S. Men's National Team. Don't miss this action-packed episode!

Chapters

• 2:25 Innovative Advertising Technology
• 5:14 Joe Burrow's 18-Week Season Proposal
• 10:57 Karl Malone's Controversial Support
• 12:50 Pittsburgh Pirates' Fireworks Shortage
• 13:41 Main Topic: Head Coaches
• 47:54 NBA Broadcast Updates
• 49:21 GREG BERHALTER IS SACKED!!!!!!! REJOICE

Transcript

jason: 0:00

Welcome, welcome, welcome to another edition of the Pond Pony podcast. This week is a special week because we've got a special guest this week with me, the OG. We've got the fantasy uncle and Mr. Tiger Liggins. What's happening? What's happening, fam? Thanks for having

pershin: 0:18

me.

jason: 0:19

Yeah, there we go. What's up Persian?

pershin: 0:21

Howdy, howdy. Glad to be back for another week of Talkin Ball. Glad to have my boy Jason Tiger Liggins on the show. That's

jason: 0:30

There he is. Unfortunately, he's another Chiefs fan. So, hopefully they won't get us mixed up as a Chiefs podcast. Even though, because we've had two Chiefs fans on this podcast. So, we are not a Chiefs podcast. Let's, let's just, we're just a sports and mostly NFL. Love the NFL.

pershin: 0:47

Or he's a Cowboys fan. Whichever one gets further in the playoffs. Yeah, we're not sure. Yeah, we're not sure. Yeah.

jason: 0:52

Fuckin transplant. Nah, man. Well, anyway, we're one month away from week one of preseason. Three weeks away from the Hall of Fame game. So, you know, those fantasy heads like us are just, you know, rejoicing, toot tooting, and ready to draft. Toot toot. Toot toot. Toot toot. Toot toot. So yeah, so today we got the, the news as we always do. And then the main topic we're going to talk about a topic that I think most people don't talk about and that's the head coaches and you know, go through it kind of like we did the last couple of episodes with the fantasy. We'll, we'll just talk about who's in, who's out, who's hot and who's not. So with that getting, get to it, let's start the show.

1:40

The Pony Pony Podcast.

jason: 1:47

Oh, so first bit of news interesting with the hurricanes the, the hurricanes. No, not the hurricanes, the hurricane, hurricane barrel that came through. The Texans don't have a roof right now. They've got some, some roof got torn off and they have a game. They have a game coming up. Do you think the roof can be prepared, be repaired before this game, Pershing?

pershin: 2:10

Absolutely. All they got to do, all they got to do is throw money at it, get multiple companies on the project if you need, they've got enough money to make that happen. Yes.

jason: 2:23

Okay. Okay. Well, with, with that being said I came across some new advertising technology that I texted Persian about earlier in the week on a soccer broadcast, you know how they've got the yeah. around the field. They've got the advertising around the field on the field. And so you could be watching the same broadcast in four different locations around the globe and you will get four different advertisements on the field. So like for an American broadcast, it could be Coca Cola. And if you're watching it in like Germany, it could be, you know, some, some other German version of Coke or, or even something completely different like a beer commercial or something. Advertisement, which is pretty wild purchase said the future is scary. So, so I

pershin: 3:13

mean, if you think about like what they can make look so real in real time, as you're watching a game, then like, imagine when AI gets to the point where they are producing their own content and they are on the fly with algorithms or what have you modifying things. And they actually have like a way of, of deceiving without anyone even calling the shots there. I just feel like, man, this is just, I could just see so many ways that this sort of technology can just get so confusing for everyone. And we, we already have a hard time. Just as normal human beings figuring out what's true and what's false nowadays and it's just gonna get ten times worse I mean, it's very good. Yeah, so what do

jason: 4:06

you so what do you think? It is that you think it's a graphic overlay or you think how do you think it's yeah Well, there's a I have to do it

pershin: 4:14

There was actually some people in the comments that were describing what it is. Basically, there are programs nowadays that function as photoshop for Streams like as you stream it as animations are happening in real time You can actually do that Right, because we're

jason: 4:33

streaming it now versus

pershin: 4:34

All you need is like a one or two second delay for this technology to work. And as you can see in the clips, they can make it look very real. I think it's

jason: 4:45

fucking awesome.

pershin: 4:46

You would think Watching the broadcast that that is the actual company that's on the physical wall in that stadium and it's not it's it's actually an American company who's paying American dollars to a foreign company to show Americans their product. It's like, holy shit. I mean, CGI

tiger: 5:10

engineers should go work for Marvel and MCU, but they're all their awful graphics. Yeah, right. Sports graphics.

jason: 5:17

Yeah. Yeah. So moving on from, from that Joe Burrow had a, what I thought was a fantastic idea for an 18 week season, two bi weeks, one of them being, you know, random like it is now the second one being mandatory on week 13 or somewhere in that general area. But during that week is the Pro Bowl. And then the Super Bowl is the week of President's Day, so therefore the president, the day before President's Day. So therefore we all are off on Monday. Well, those of us not working. A lot of people, yeah. F and b and things of that nature, you know, nursing, hospitals, you know, those kinds, you know, so I, I, I love the idea and I think Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow for NFL President

tiger: 6:11

well. Two of those three ideas are actually fantastic ideas. Two by weeks, the Players Union will love that. President's Day weekend, Super Bowl, great idea. The Pro Bowl, this feels like a last, last ditch effort to save something that people don't give a fucking shit about.

jason: 6:30

That, that could be fair, but also, you would have more, you could actually make it more, Worthwhile in that and I'm not saying it needs to go back to like a game It can continue on as it is in that but now you can have like I don't know some stakes on it so, you know something fun, you know that people win like I Don't know what what you know, there could be something attached to it. Let's

tiger: 6:56

get money for making the pro

jason: 6:57

Yeah, but it could not be for like players. It could be like for first for something else like Oh, you know, you get a change where you can wear whatever fucking shoe you want to wear and not get fined or something.

tiger: 7:09

The last thing I'll say is like, with this, it's already a long season, a physical season, that they're going to make longer, and the ones that are good enough to get selected to the Pro Bowl are going to put themselves in more trouble.

jason: 7:19

It's not going to be longer, it's going to be

pershin: 7:21

the same

jason: 7:21

amount, it's just less pre season.

pershin: 7:24

Honestly, what I think they should do is just, Transition away from the the game itself or even activities that people think might be fun or whatever and just literally have A ceremony for it as an official NFL award show type thing where the players can dress up, they could do crazy fashion shit, they could be on a red carpet with, with the glitz and glamour or whatever the players might actually like that. They certainly don't seem to care for the pro bowl as it is. You know what I mean? It should be.

jason: 8:00

I agree with that. And there should be to add to that real quick. There should be like a concert. Like it should be like a, like a show for them.

pershin: 8:06

Have, have green pepper chili peppers show up.

jason: 8:11

Yeah. Have the red hot chili peppers. Yeah.

pershin: 8:15

Hey, maybe Taylor will do it at a discount since her boy might be in the ceremony or whatever. I think something like that makes more sense for me as a, as an NFL fan, as a viewer, I actually don't like his idea as much as having a dedicated every team has the same week off and week 13 or whatever. But I will say that if that's what it takes for the NFL Players Association to sign off on an extra week, then I'll take it. You know what I'm saying? Like, I love the idea that we'll extend the season.

jason: 8:48

But

pershin: 8:48

are

jason: 8:48

you really getting an extra week if you have two bye weeks?

pershin: 8:52

Well, so the thing is, like, The way that the bi week works now is that it's basically just like a normal football week for the fans, where the fans are considered. And I would love to have that extended by another week. And so his idea of having everybody have the same week off. I like less as a fan, but I will say, I totally understand

jason: 9:17

50 50 half the teams.

pershin: 9:19

Oh, I'd be happy with that. Yeah.

jason: 9:22

So you have like maybe four games each for two weeks.

pershin: 9:26

All I need is like three games on the same day for me to do a DFS and have fun with it. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. I'm looking at what I'm, I'm looking at it, it from a Persian centric lens here. I'm admitting that. Okay. But I'm, but I'm also saying that if, if the NFL PA really, really wants to have a dedicated week 13 or 14 or whatever, then all right. I, I, I can see.'cause you know, any of those guys will tell you that the NFL season is very grueling on their bodies and they would love to have more time off.

jason: 9:58

You know what, the second week, bi week should be chose. You should have to choose it. Midway through the season. So the first bye week is like, it's normal, it's whatever it is, but you, like, six games through the season, you can choose when your second bye week is later on. Oh, wow. Really spice it up.

pershin: 10:20

That would actually be pretty cool because that would add strategy to it. They could have it like as, as a first come first serve thing where it's like. Yeah. Right. If you want to wait. Yes. If you want to wait till later in the season, you'll have more information about where your team's going to be at, but you might have less options as to what you're, what you can choose from.

jason: 10:40

Right. And you might want to, you might, you might want to wait and see how many injuries you got. I don't know. I'm just saying. Yeah. A little

tiger: 10:46

spice. For the cheese, Taylor Swift announces a tour in Asia, and then Travis sways that, and he goes and supports his girl, you know?

jason: 10:53

Well, speaking of supporting, supporting, thank you for that segue. Carl Malone has decided that he's now gonna support his son Demetrius Bell of the Buffalo Bills. After, after many, many years of saying that he was not the father. I, I, Carl Malone, you are the father.

pershin: 11:15

I propose. I, and it's funny too, because he was known as the mailman and you know, there's that, that old joke about, you know, the mailman's actually your father, you know that right?

tiger: 11:25

milkman.

pershin: 11:26

The milkman's actually. And

tiger: 11:28

how old was baby mama at the time of conceptual? Oh,

jason: 11:31

she was she was like six. And he was 22 was dope. 13. 13. She was,

pershin: 11:37

she was 13. And she got raped.

jason: 11:40

Yeah. Oh yeah. Made the statue. Hey. She ca, to be fair though, she did kind of come out on top here. Vetri spell. He placed for the bills. He's got nice contract. It all worked out. How about

tiger: 11:53

statute of limitations in that state? For Car

pershin: 11:55

Malone?

tiger: 11:56

Man, what a fucking guy.

pershin: 11:58

I, I propose a new Pine Pony segment. Sports Dirtbag of the Week. Carl Malone is our first Sports Dirtbag of the Week. Yeah, first

jason: 12:08

nominee of Sports Dirtbag of the Week.

Microphone (VeGue VM30 Audio Device): 12:11

Dirt bag oh. Of the week.

pershin: 12:14

I could not believe

jason: 12:16

this guy is like 25

pershin: 12:18

years old and you're finally gonna recognize him as your son after you raped a 13 year old. That's disgusting! Shame on you. Shame on you. And he's basically doing it as a, Oh look, I've, I've, I've, I've righted my wrong. I'm all good now. No, dude. Yeah, right. Yeah.

tiger: 12:37

Yeah, you

pershin: 12:38

spent decades Not even being accountable for that shit. That's woo, man. I know carl malone is a shit ass dirt bag dirt bag From the

jason: 12:50

dirt bag of the week to a really cool thing The pirates the pittsburgh pirates. This is a this is this is just for tiger to be on this episode Pittsburgh pirates Ran out of fireworks because they hit too many home runs.

tiger: 13:06

Those dudes are just hanging down on you. They hit

jason: 13:08

too many, this is the fifth time it's happened in history. Seven. So, Seven. Seven's it. That, that, they only carry enough fireworks for seven home runs. They should start carrying at least one more, you think?

pershin: 13:23

You would think pirates would have an unlimited amount of cannons hanging around or something.

jason: 13:28

Oh, good call. Good call. Yeah. See, they wouldn't need fireworks if they had a fucking ship on the, like the bucket. Well, that's all we got for the news today. So let's get up into the main topic.

13:46

Main topic.

jason: 13:49

Let's talk about some coaches. So I wrote a little list. I looked at some lists and I looked at, I scoured the internet. I did research and I thought to myself, so I looked at this list and I made a top 10 and I've got some people on the outside looking in. So let me get in. I'll go through the top 10 and then you guys can tell me how much you hate it.

pershin: 14:11

Okay.

jason: 14:12

Just

pershin: 14:12

be clear. This is literally who you think are the top 10, like strongest, best coaches in the league, right? Yeah. Correct. Correct.

jason: 14:21

Number one. I don't think you'll be shocked by a few of these. Number one, Andy Reed. Number two, as much as I hate to say it, Kyle Shanahan. Number three, Dan Campbell. Number four, John Harbaugh. Number five, Matt LaFleur. Number six, Zach Taylor. Number seven, Kevin Stefanski. Didn't really want to put him there, but I mean, he's deserved it. I hate him though. Number eight, Sean McVay, number nine, a Mike Tomlin and nine B Mike McDaniel. I was,

pershin: 15:00

you couldn't find, you couldn't find a tiebreaker, right?

jason: 15:03

And then and

tiger: 15:06

then

jason: 15:07

number 10, D'Amico Ryan on the outside, looking in. Doug Patterson, Mike McCarthy. Yeah, that's kind of, kind of Nick Serrani, Nick Sirianni, and Raheem Morris. I'm also really looking forward to seeing what Dave Canales can do. With the Panthers. So, you know, what do you guys think about that? Top 10? What do you, what do you hate? I

pershin: 15:36

think that there's one guy who's missing from the list for me. And that would be McVeigh. I don't think you said, okay. All right. Number eight, bro. Fucking chill out.

tiger: 15:48

I think the only thing that's a great list. The only thing I would disagree with is

jason: 15:53

Andy Rita. Number one, that's a, that's a no go for me. I would

tiger: 15:57

actually put. D'Amico Ryan's in front of Mike McDowell. I mean, that's fair. I mean, that's, this is a one year turnaround. And after the 20, 23 draft, you know, to do what they did both to really turn things around, make weapons out of Miko Collins and tank Dell is go out the soft season, go get Stephon Diggs. They believe in CJ Stroud, but they went further in the playoffs than the damn dolphins did. So. And Mike McDonald, excuse me, he's been there, you know, what, one or two years more than D'Amico Ryan's?

jason: 16:36

Yeah, he's done three years now. Yeah. Well, and he's got the better talent. That's why he's a lower OMA. That's kind of why I had him there. I almost booted him out of the top 10. Yeah. He was this

pershin: 16:46

close. That's the

jason: 16:47

only thing I disagree with.

pershin: 16:49

That's a

jason: 16:49

great

pershin: 16:50

list. I like Mike McDonald. I would actually have Mike McDonald a bit higher on the list. I think probably sixth. Maybe seventh I would have Mike McDonald. I think that that like kind of kind of it's like the inverse of what Tiger's saying here Like I do understand your your argument there that like look how much he did In just one year to turn that ship around. It was impressive. But I also think that sometimes when a coach has a brand new scheme the way that Bobby Slowick had, it could kind of catch the league off guard. And then you see like a sophomore slump. Whereas with With Mike McDaniel, you see like a pretty good consistency over the past three years of having a good offense. Whereas you look at like, let's just say Dable, Brian Dable, his first year, I feel like he caught the league off guard and he overperformed, but then last year it looked like a mess, you know, it didn't look good at all. And I wouldn't be surprised if D'Amico Ryans took a step back. Although I do have a lot of faith in Bobby Slowick to be a good play caller and schemer. And I think that. For me, it's basically the opposite where I give more credit to the longevity, having three years of good. T of having competitive teams to me is worth more. And like for me, the Antonio P story from last year was pretty good. The team obviously played harder for him, so I think it's promising.

jason: 18:12

But yeah, he's on my list to move to, to move up, but we don't know.

pershin: 18:17

Yeah. But for me, it's like a bad roster

tiger: 18:19

out in

pershin: 18:19

Vegas. It, but to me it's like a half a season. It's just too small a sample size for me to, to put'em in, in that list. Right.

jason: 18:27

Which is why he's not even. On on this whole page

pershin: 18:33

Well, I I thought you said it's such an awful roster I thought you said pierce was right behind Tom, I didn't say antonio pierce at all. Oh, okay Okay, then never mind Not one time. I was getting myself confused there then my bad But I think it's a pretty good list. I think that I would have basically the same people in there i'm trying to think who who I might have in there that you didn't have but I think You I think you really did hit all the names. I mean, that's half the league right there.

jason: 19:04

People I mentioned, not, not just the top 10.

pershin: 19:07

The only one I kind of question is Zach Taylor. Like, I, it seems to me like he doesn't, necessarily catch defenses lacking so much as it just seems that Joe Burrow and Joe Burrow's weapons are just so good. Well. That it's making the offense look better than, than what Zach Taylor's actually doing for it.

jason: 19:32

Well, so I, I would have agreed with you 100 percent on that if Joe Burrow hadn't gotten injured. And then seeing Jake Browning come in after last year. I like what Zach Taylor did, like, so I like what he did there. So that's why, I mean, he's still outside the top five, you know, I mean, he's six, like he could easily be swapped with Stefanski or even Sean McVeigh.

pershin: 20:00

Yeah, having Browning have such low expectations from, you know, I don't know, scouts, analysts, whoever you want to call the football people, football media for him to have the team pretty competitive while he was in there. I agree with you. It's that that's something worth, you know, something worth noting there.

jason: 20:21

One of the other things I wanted to talk about with coaches is the three things that I kind of look for when I look at, you know, deciding who's a good coach and who's not a good coach. So the first thing is, you know, how do they, as a coach respond to things, you know, when Do, you know, one of the stats that I always love is like, you know, when did they come off of a bye week? How many times have they won or lost? Like, so are they, you know, preparing their players over the bye week or is it just a everybody take off and let's go have fun and everybody go do their thing and you know, I guess if we get to the super bowl, it is what it is, but you know, or do they mean business and then they come into the next, next week. You know, Andy Reed, I think is famous for, for coming off by weeks and just demolishing the next team. So I mean that, and, and that, you know, that's super bowls right there. So another stat is like, you know, how many times have they lost two straight? You know, if a guy, if a coach does it and he loses one and then the next week the team comes back and they're more focused than ever and they win the next week, that's, you know, Middle of the road teams. That might be a good sign that you've got a good head coach, which I really like, you know, for a lot of the down teams, obviously you're going to lose a lot of games based on talent, but so you can get into what those kinds of head coaches, you know, what motivates, you know, are they motivated or are they competitive? Are they able to motivate their players to be competitive, even if the team overall is not capable of winning the games? So are they losing them by one or two points the whole season or are they losing by one or two in the first six games and then it's just the second half of the season they're losing by 10, 20, you know, they've kind of lost the team. So what do you think about that one? The number one there, Persian.

pershin: 22:19

Yeah, I, I would echo a lot of that same sentiment. I think for me. The number one criteria would be their ability to motivate, like just them as a leader. Are they respected by everyone in that locker room? And Can they get everyone on board with whatever the game plan is, whatever the scheme is, whatever the mentality, the culture, whatever, can they get everyone on board and can they get everyone fired up? I think it's an underrated issue with head coaches. And I think it actually is their primary role. It should be their primary role, right? Not to say that they don't need to know X's and O's. Obviously they need to know the game, but. Their job more than anything is just to lead and keep everyone on the same page. And if you've got a good team around you, you can really delegate those game plan scheme things. You can let those guys do a lot of that work and you just keep a fire under that.

jason: 23:20

Pretty good at letting Patrick Mahomes do some of the game planning.

pershin: 23:25

Yeah. And I think you see this a lot in both Tomlin and in. Dan Campbell, where these guys will tell you straight, they'll, they'll admit straight out. I let the OC handle all of that. I don't question any of the game playmaking decisions, any of the game things, you know, I I'm in on the meetings and I'm in on the strategy, you know, process of developing that, but that's not my forte. And I think that I have people better than that on this staff. And so that's what they do period, you know, and I think that that's great that they literally are, they don't have the ego in the way of. You know, if you've got a Ben Johnson that, that Detroit has, or you've got a Bobby Slowick in, in Houston and D'Amico runs, just says, okay, I'm gonna just do the defensive game plan and you, you do everything on offense, I trust you a thousand percent. You, you do it how you think we need to have it done and I'll make sure that the defense is, is, you know, playing discipline ball. And I think that, I think that that is just kind of underrated with a lot of fans. They think that the X's and O's and the sort of outsmarting everyone else has to come first. It's really not for a head coach. The most important thing is do those guys buy in? Do they respect you? And will they play hard for you? And a lot of times you can tell when a team is kind of given up or they're this

jason: 24:57

guy's played hard for him.

pershin: 24:59

Yeah, so dude, the Raiders, I mean, they're, they're playing with their fucking hair on fire, you know what

jason: 25:05

I mean? And that leads to number two is how do the players respond? You know, I think that's pretty big. You know, that's Pretty tall telling sign as, you know, do the players come off of a bi week ready to go due to the players, you know, after they take a loss, do they come back in and put in the work? What do you think about that one? Tiger?

tiger: 25:31

Yeah. I mean, it goes back into the person's point. It's just being able to make sure everyone's on the same page and they get the message when the message needed, you know, as a head coach, Getting the team to respond is giving them the right message in the right manner at the right time. So some are good, some aren't. Yeah, some are good, some aren't. Some know the timing, some know the tone of their team. That's getting them part of getting them to respond. So that's definitely it.

pershin: 25:56

Yeah, I'd have a locker room. Yeah, I would say the second part, like the second most important thing I would look for in a head coach would be are those people that they're going to put around them? Like the who's going to be the OC, who's going to be the DC? What specifically are they going to be doing? And just them, them surrounding themselves with the A lot of the brightest minds is just important. And some coaches literally just stick with the same dudes that they've been best friends with throughout their career. I think it's a mistake. I think you need to be open to what's who's on the cutting edge of analytics and play types and where, where's the lead going and do they know, do they understand that that sort of stuff, being open to just finding things. The brightest minds and, and when it comes to scheme and understanding how, how things have been evolving in that is something that some coaches obviously do and do well, and then some coaches, they just want to stick to the old guys that they trust. They don't trust other. And I think that's, that's buddy buddy

tiger: 27:07

system.

pershin: 27:07

Yeah. I think that's a mistake because the game's always evolving and, you know, I I think that that. There's a reason why guys like Belichick started having issues with the using Matt Patricia's of the world over and over and over again when they don't, they, they no longer fit the way that they used to, you know?

jason: 27:28

Yeah. Well, yeah, I agree. So the, in the third and final thing, I think adjustments, what kind of in game adjustments are you making? Are you capable of adjusting like you just alluded to? Bill Belichick was not capable of adjusting his in game strategies or changing anything about he, what he did. So you know, not only is it in game, is it season to season? Are you updating your skillset as a coach as well? Are you bringing in new plays? Are you adjusting your plays? Are you trying to adapt your talent squad maybe to, to. Hey, all right. My style is no longer working. Maybe I can alter it and combine it with this other style and create some new thing. And yeah, like you, like all of the things you just said, that's my third is just adjusting and adapting and within the season without the season game to game in the game, minute to minute, you know, halftime, are you, You're, you're getting your asses whooped in the corners. Are you going to adjust and give the corners help? Or what? You know, what are you going to do? Or are you just going to keep coming out and doing the same shit?

tiger: 28:44

For that, man, I think you, on your coaches staff, you definitely find people, coordinators that are two things. They have a great feel for the game and they're great play callers. Simply those two things with, you know. That is a good skill set to help make adjustments, and not only from game to game, but then within your staff, like a general manager, even from season to season, because that affects how you draft as well, and build your roster. Right. Having those, I think, three things, appeal for the game, appeal for the season, and great play callers leads to being able to make good adjustments. Well, good call, yeah. Persian?

pershin: 29:24

Yeah, I actually agree with you, Strang. On this one, that, that was actually my exact third criteria. My third prong is how well do they adapt to the situations going on around them? I mean, you see that in a lot of different ways, whether it's you lose a star player, how do you pivot in a way where, you know, You're, you're still successful and you could still be competitive or you could minimize that weakness. And, and it could be literally with what is the next opponent? How do we change our offense or our defense so that we can mirror what they're doing? We could exploit a a certain mismatch and and you, you alluded to this already when you talked about Andy Reed and I know Bill Belichick was really great about making adjustments on the fly. In game with his defense where yeah, where he, you know, his defense would, would get gashed by a certain play. It only needed to happen once or twice before. He noticed what, what was happening there, how, why, where it was going wrong, make adjustments on the fly. I mean, that's very important and it's hard for people to do. It's, it's not an easy skill to just practice and get good at. You gotta be really, really aware and really, really creative to kind of be that sort of person. And obviously Andy Reed is really good about that. And I think you just see this over and over again with a lot of the most competitive teams, you know, the like in 2021 and 2022, the Chiefs threw the ball downfield, meaning like 15 yards or more at the end zone. Highest rate in the league last year. They were not even league average at that. They were below average and you could kind of see why it's because they didn't feel like that was the strength of their offense anymore. They more so we're having better success with throwing underneath balls to Rashid Rice and letting him use his. After the catch abilities and, and, you know, just the ability to really change fundamentally your entire offensive, you know, what, what it's predicated on and what you're setting up is that's not easy for people to do. Most coaches have certain strengths and weaknesses, and they just sort of stick to that sort of thing. And you see, can I, can I tag onto that? Yeah.

jason: 31:47

Andy Reed thing that is interesting that you mentioned him specifically because he Their offense we were kind of All year last year. We were like what the hell is going on with their offense? Like what is happening? And it was really It was just a different offense. It just There were some mistakes, but still, even in the second half when they got going a little bit, it was still the same shit they were running early on. They were just executing it.

tiger: 32:18

Yeah. It was the first while they were outside the top ten on offense. You know. Yeah. We brought up the last points of being able to adjust get a feel for your game, get a feel for your team. It's like they made adjustments and know that they're not going to be as efficient on offense even the year before when they've lost every kill in the preseason, but they realize how good their defense was. So they actually relied on their defense a lot more this year and just executing a few more plays instead of, you know, relying more on sustainable offensive drives than they had in years past.

pershin: 32:52

Yeah, I agree. That's

tiger: 32:53

how they

pershin: 32:54

adjusted a lot this past year. Cause when you're, when you really have that kind of confidence in your defense, then you can be more conservative on offense. You can get away with whether it's slower drives or just less of those big money plays. You can get away with, you can win 20 to 17 games. You can win 17 to 13 games, whatever it is. And as you saw. They ended up winning a lot of games like that. And so it's, it's just, it's just an example of this wider concept here of that it is really important that coaches could make those kinds of adjustments in lots of different contexts. And those guys that can adapt really well, really do stand out. And it's, it's not something that's easy to just. Learn over time. I think it's you, you either have it or don't.

jason: 33:47

I think not everybody's the John Bruden's of the world. You know what I mean? Nobody, not if I could just call a banana X, Y, Z flat right out. Yeah, but not speaking of

pershin: 33:59

that, also get leads racially. Yeah, yeah, you can't call it a banana that

tiger: 34:05

you can't call that. Yeah, dude, come on, man. Where are you going with this?

jason: 34:09

That was a joke. Because speaking of banana, speaking of hot seats, that's what we're going to talk about next. Coaches on hot seats. So real quick, because I have just watched and he is, and this is part of it. So I have just watched the first two episodes of Hard Knocks Off Season. Nice. Giants. And I'm telling you man, they kind of revealed a lot about how they think about things. And the GM there did not, absolutely did not want Saquon Barkley from the first episode in to the next episode. This guy consistently was like, Convincing everyone. I mean, we'll just see how it kind of plays out. We've got a lot of running backs and free agency. Like there's this guy, there's that guy, there's this guy, there's a, I mean, there's Josh Jacobs. There's this guy, there's that guy. And then, and then the president and the CEO would come in and be like, man, I'd really hate to lose Saquon. I mean, it's only like a million dollars. Like, I mean, like, you know, well, well I think we should just maybe let him test the market and see, I think that's the right thing to do. Like, it's just like, Bro, he did not want Saquon. His whole agenda was to get rid of Saquon.

pershin: 35:22

He went on an entire campaign.

jason: 35:26

It wasn't necessarily bad. He wanted to bolster the offensive line. And and the defensive line and get guys like Brian Burns, which he did. And Devlin Singletary, which he mentioned and he got him. So he did exactly what he wanted to do. So we'll see how that plays out. But the reason why I mentioned that is because Brian Dable, I think is actually one of the hot seat contenders especially because of the way this fucking GM is, but also I got to give Brian Dable credit, man. That's second episode where he is at the draft combine and he is just grilling quarterbacks like. You know, like, Oh, what's your favorite play? And then they'll write down their favorite play, and he's like, Ah, we can shorten that and call it this. And then he'll ask them like five minutes later, like, Do you remember what I told you it was? And then the guy would remember. I mean, it was, Like, it was really cool to listen to Brian Dable talk about X's and O's. And he really knows his shit. Unfortunately, he's on the Giants. So, I think he's a hot seat candidate. And then, also, I don't know. I'll run through them real quick and then you guys can tell me what you think of them. Also, hot seat candidate, even though he got an extension, Kevin Stefanski. I've been riding this train for a long time. He should have been fired a long time ago. I don't know why he's still there. But this is the year. This is the year, no excuses. And then Mike McCarthy, he's on the hot seat. Because he was kinda on it last year. Now he's definitely on it. We never know what's going to happen at Jerry World. And then I, This might be a hot take for a hot seat, but Nick Sirianni. He's on it. If they don't get shit done in Philly, they're going to be calling for him to be fired.

tiger: 37:21

Howie Roseman in a Philly market, man. They don't take shit lightly, man. No. Nick Sirianni was a god there. And I actually know him in person, I've gotten drunk with him a few times in the past. Nick Seriali? Yeah. Nice. He was a wide receiver, or a quality analyst before Andy Reid got there. Andy Reid obviously didn't retain him, but, for quality reasons. Yeah. So, he, I actually know his wife, and I've gotten drunk with him pretty, pretty frequently. He's a cool dude. That's cool. What, when he's, once it got out there in Philly though, sorry for the segway, he's gone to Philly when they made the Super Bowl, but Howie Roseman, man, is a gem. They don't take shit lightly in Philly and it, yeah, I would agree. He's on the hot seat too.

jason: 37:59

Is there anybody else you disagree with or that you want to add to the hot seat? You want to get the seat hotter?

tiger: 38:06

I agree with you on the sub fans rule, but man, that's such a weird one. It's because it's what, they made a playoff a few years ago, and they made a playoff this year. And it's like, they've had a string of bad coaches and this is actually the one they've had the most success with.

jason: 38:20

I will say this is, this past season was his best coached season that I've seen him coach yet. But for me, I just feel like, it's like at what point is enough enough? When is he going to win? Like, win? Get to the playoffs and actually make waves. I don't say he has to make the Super Bowl, but when is he going to get to the

tiger: 38:45

AFC championship game? I say, Spansky is kind of in a tough situation just because of decisions the general manager made before, you know, in his tenure. Like, that's a bad contract for his strong lots. That makes it hard to build a roster. Don't worry man,

jason: 39:01

Deshawn is going to produce this year and everything will be fine. Hold on, hold on, real quick, you said roster. Look at that roster. That roster is stacked from top to bottom on the starting squad. They've got wide receivers. They've got defensive players. They've got running backs. They've got, I mean, what more do you need? They've got offensive line, defensive line. What,

tiger: 39:24

who else do you need? I mean, I just feel like it could be money. Depth, even a linebacker. Sure. Okay. That's what I'm saying. That's helped the contract that they're locked in with the Sean being fully guaranteed makes it tough to build around the entire roster. Well, they were desperate. It's all I'm saying is Kevin's fancy is in a tough situation because of that contract.

jason: 39:47

Yeah. But he had the reason, the main reason why I think the Nazis, cause before he The same team. The only thing that's different about this team is the quarterback. Baker Mayfield had a very similar team. Couldn't do anything with it. They took them to one playoff and one playoff win. Like

tiger: 40:08

what's weird. How does Sean isn't playing? And then they get old Joe Fike off the couch and he leads them to the playoffs. That's what I'm saying. That was Sean. That's Sean only

jason: 40:19

had one loss. You could say that he, he. It had he played the rest of the season that he would have led them to the playoffs as well But you're proving

tiger: 40:27

my point because it's like they got the job done with Joe Flacco That's so much less money

jason: 40:31

that I said he had a great season. I said he had a great season I'm not saying I'm I'm not saying to Sean. I'm not saying that contract is not bad. It's a bad contract Yeah, I'm just saying like it guy Wasn't bad. He wasn't great statistic wise, but the team won

tiger: 40:49

Mm hmm

jason: 40:50

Like, he put the, he, you gotta score points to win the game. You can't win the game 0 0. So you gotta, so, so somehow points were put on the board, and maybe it wasn't always him, but he did put

pershin: 41:04

points on the board. Here's my question, Noah, didn't you have him, like, in your top seven coaches? Yeah, that's yeah, but then you just, you just said a couple minutes ago that you feel like he should have already been fired. Isn't that what you? Yeah, I

jason: 41:20

agree. He's the most confusing person to me. I can't state it. I hate I hate that he's in my top seven. I said that I don't like that he's there. But I do have to give him credit for the fact that he's probably the second longest tenured Cleveland Browns coach. He's under a bad contract. And he, he's at least got them competing. I mean, they're doing, you know, they, he made the playoffs last year with Joe Flacco. So for that, he's in the top 10. Had they not made the playoffs, he probably wouldn't be in my top 10. Okay. This is based off 2023 season going into 2024.

pershin: 42:02

I think there's a guy on the hot seat here that you guys might be surprised about. Because it's his very, because it's his very first year. But I think when you look at how inpatient, I think that if you look at how impatient Tepper is, I think Canalys is on the hot seat. Like, if there's not obvious improvement. I don't think he, he gets a year or two, cause Tepper does, he just is not patient. He just is not, I mean

jason: 42:37

no, I, I mean, how many dudes has he booted after

pershin: 42:40

one year? How many dudes has he booted three, four, four different dudes he's done that to? Well, how, which, which

jason: 42:47

teams are we talking about? Which fans is he doing this on? Hold on, hold on. How many, when you talk about five coaches he's fired, are we talking from just the Panthers? I'm just

pershin: 42:58

talking about the Panthers here.

jason: 42:59

Oh, well that was probably like three or four and there's at least been two. From the Charlotte FC. But we got to go. We got to go. We got a good one on Charlotte FC now. We got Dean Smith now.

pershin: 43:11

I do think that it's likely that the Panthers have a meaningful improvement here. But if they don't, I could see Tepper just being like, all right, this didn't work either. Fuck it.

jason: 43:23

No, not that one season, man.

tiger: 43:26

He's done the one season thing

pershin: 43:27

already twice. What do you think? He got so

tiger: 43:30

frustrated with that one season, he stole Drainsault's pants. I could see him doing the short switch. I could see that.

pershin: 43:37

Alright, here's one you might agree with, though. You know, he kind of blamed, you know, he didn't say it directly, but he kind of blamed the poor offensive output on his offensive coordinator, fired the offensive coordinator, brought in Clint Kubiak this past off season. Okay. And I'm talking about Dennis Allen in New Orleans. I think that if they don't get that offense, you know, more on track, then it's going to be obvious that he's part of the problem there. He's not going to be able to just blame it on the next guy over and over again. I think that

tiger: 44:12

specifically Spencer Rattler's on there, man.

pershin: 44:14

I think specifically for the offense, they're going to need to see improvement or else he might be, he might be the one that's catching the blame this time.

jason: 44:23

Well, what do you think about Buffalo Bills

pershin: 44:25

guy? I think he's a good coach. I'm trying to remember his name right now.

tiger: 44:32

Sean something, motivation techniques. Sean McDermott is his name. Sean McDermott, thank

jason: 44:38

you. Sean

tiger: 44:39

McDumber. Yeah, I think he's a good coach. Let's get ready and prepare like those terrorists from 9 11.

jason: 44:44

Oh my gosh, wow, hey there. Hey there, hi there, ho there. That's what he uses in his speech. Yeah, wow, I'm a fucking guy. Talk about motivating your team. Yeah, nothing motivates me like getting ready. Number two, how do players

tiger: 44:56

respond? Well, I'm gonna give you a speech about these terrors for 9 11. You need to prepare like that. Fuck, you,

jason: 45:02

you guys wanna run through a brick wall for this guy? I wanna fucking drive a plane through a building for him.

pershin: 45:10

Good lord. What a

jason: 45:11

speech.

pershin: 45:12

What a fucking douche. When you die there's going to be 77 Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders waiting for you. That's great. That's great. Oh my gosh. Oh man. Here's the thing that you could say about Sean McDermott that you cannot say about any other person. Organization, and that is between 2001, 2000, excuse me, 20 21, 20 22, and 20, 23, 3 years in a row. His team was both top five and offensive. And defensive yardage. Yeah. Top five on both sides of the ball. Three years in a row. No other active coach has had that kind of span, has had a three year span. Brian, Dave

tiger: 46:01

Ball, the OC of one of those seasons. Say what? Yep. Yep. Brian Daybaugh was in the season. Brian Daybaugh was. Yeah. Yeah. He was in the season. Correct.

pershin: 46:09

Yeah. And the thing is that I just don't think that that sort of consistent contender sort of play. I don't think that happens without good coaching. I think that he, he needs to have a good deal of, of credit for that. Well, we'll

jason: 46:25

see. We'll see what he does this season. Cause this is gonna be, this is gonna have to be his best coached season yet. Bro, they have

tiger: 46:32

no offensive weapons. Yeah, they have nothing. They have jack

pershin: 46:36

shit.

tiger: 46:37

Who else?

jason: 46:38

Khalil Shakur.

tiger: 46:39

Khalil

pershin: 46:39

Shakur. They have Khalil Shakur. I mean. Carmelone's

tiger: 46:43

kid. They got Carmelone's kid. Dude, bro, they got MVS. You know who I, you know who

pershin: 46:48

I think their top pass catcher is actually going to be is I think it's going to be Kincaid. I think that he's going to lead the team. I think he's going to lead the team in receptions. Maybe even yardage.

tiger: 46:59

Can definitely see that. Kincaid's good. But man, outside of Kincaid, MBS, Keon Coleman, bro. NPS

jason: 47:09

is a Superbowl winner, man.

tiger: 47:12

Two times Superbowl winner.

jason: 47:13

Yeah. Boy, does he know how to drop a pass? Oh boy. Yeah, he sure does.

pershin: 47:21

Does he know how to keep defenders in his pocket? 40 yards down the field. Yes.

tiger: 47:27

Yes, he does. Talk about getting separation from someone where speed was one of their main, you know, assets or part of his package. Boy, he knows how to keep them in his pocket.

pershin: 47:38

I mean, he, he could run his ass down the field, but he cannot drop his hips for shit. He just, he's stiff. He's too stiff. He's too stiff.

jason: 47:47

I agree. So with the hot seats being hot, we look forward to the season. And before we leave you, I have a couple of quick hits that I wanted to mention. And that is that the NBA has announced that they are going to start having At least one game per day of the week. And it's pretty cool because most of the games you can actually watch on Well, depends on your streaming, but For me, I can watch most of the games through Peacock, NBC, Amazon, ESPN so depending on, you know, which streaming service you subscribe to, I don't have ESPN. So that would be the only one that's blocking me. But otherwise, NBC, you can get with your antenna so you don't have to pay anything for NBC or your Amazon prime and I get peacock for free. So you know, if you have those things and you're an NBA fan, next season's going to be great. That starts 20, 25, 2026. So. Next season the following season. So we've got to wait a whole nother year. I actually,

pershin: 48:58

I actually have Peacock and it's cheap. It's five bucks a month.

jason: 49:02

Yeah, it's, it's nothing. So if you, if at the end of the day, you only pay for Peacock for, you know, five or six months, however long the NBA season is, and then you did, you know, you cancel it. And then the other thing that I wanted to mention, and we wanted to go out on a good note. The U. S. Men's National Team has fired fucking Greg Berhalter, that piece of shit. I've never liked Triple G. Fucking douche canoe. Douche canoe. And I'm so like, that is the most disappointing showing that you could possibly have in Copa America. And it just Everything about him from day one has been bullshit. He's taken our best players and thrown them on the fucking bench. Reyna, all those guys. Like, go fuck yourself, Greg. You piece of shit. Ah, see ya. And that's all we got today, folks. Buh bye. Adios. Deuces.