Aldover

Get ready to embark on a fascinating journey with Aldover Eth, a true Degen in the Web3 universe, as we unravel his exciting venture into the realm of Non-Fungible Tokens (NFTs). Packed with invaluable insights, this episode promises to demystify the complex world of NFTs and blockchain, drawing from Aldover's rich experiences and tech background. From overcoming the challenges of finding and securing coveted NFTs to understanding the tangible potential of owning digital assets, this episode is a treasure trove of knowledge for anyone keen on exploring the Web3 space.

We venture deeper into the NFT ecosystem as Aldover shares his strategies for making rational investment decisions and finding the right moments to buy and sell tokens. He offers a unique perspective on the power of passion driving value in tokens and how building connections within the artist community creates unparalleled opportunities. Grab your headphones as we also decode the intricate dynamics of 'whales' in the NFT market and explore the potential for profiteering in this digital frontier. 

To top it all, Aldover lets us into his world of art appreciation, revealing his favorite creators and their remarkable pieces. From balancing a demanding full-time job with his passion for NFT trading to staying on top of the game with exciting collectibles from Bondo, TJ Hinoz, and more, Aldover's journey is teeming with inspiration for both seasoned traders and newcomers alike. This episode is an exhilarating blend of personal anecdotes, industry insights, and a spirited discussion on the future of NFT gaming. Don't miss out on this one-of-a-kind conversation with Aldover Eth!

(0:00:03) - Web3 and NFTs in Gaming
(0:14:30) - Navigating NFTs and Making Rational Decisions
(0:17:51) - NFT Collecting and Trading Experiences
(0:31:55) - NFT Space Snacks and Artists
(0:40:03) - Discussing Artists, NFT Gaming, and Collectibles
(0:49:39) - Discussion on Crypto Art and Collectibles
(1:02:24) - Bad Bunny and Art Appreciation Discussion

Transcript

Gramajo: 0:02

Everybody. This is and you're listening to the podcast episode one. A podcast for Creators and anyone involved in the web three space. On today's episode, I'll be interviewing Al Dover doc Eve. Who is a true Dejan in the web three space. He got started with MBA Topshop in early 2021 and has been expanding his presence and impact ever since, especially in the Tesla space. Remember to subscribe to this podcast, to check out my weekly newsletter And let me know if there's anyone you would like to see on this show in the future or in my newsletter as well. Thanks. tell me a little bit about yourself, who you are.

Aldover: 0:44

All right, man. I've never actually introduced myself. It's like a job interview. Yeah.

Gramajo: 0:50

Degen job interview

Aldover: 0:52

degen job interview. Did I get the job? Let's find out. All right, let's start with out doxing myself too much. I've live in California. I'm in my thirties. I've always been into computer gaming and tabletop games. I played a lot of Pokemon Magic gathering and all that. And then on computer, I would just play everything like I was early into Diablo. and then I went into Warcraft RTS games and then World of Warcraft. So I was just always a huge gamer.

Gramajo: 1:28

Do you still game?

Aldover: 1:28

Not as much anymore cuz I have, I'm adulting now,

Gramajo: 1:31

Yeah. It's harder once you get older.

Aldover: 1:33

yeah. So now I play like hard done once in a lot just cuz it's nice and easy and lazy.

Gramajo: 1:39

Yeah. Do you still collect Pokemon or Magic or anything of that?

Aldover: 1:43

No, I still have a counts though for like magic, the Gathering online. I used to play that a lot, so I had a bunch of cards there, but physical cards that are all gone since I moved from the east coast to the west coast. They're actually still over there and probably in the basement somewhere rotting and gaining value at the same time.

Gramajo: 2:00

Seriously. Is that how you ended up getting into NFTs? Just from as it seems if there was a Venn diagram out there in the world of like Pokemon magic sneakerheads and whatever other denim

Aldover: 2:14

degenerating from one collection to another. Actually we're, my wife and I actually got into sneaker collecting for a little bit just because we saw how lucrative it was to just snipe things on sneakers, app,

Gramajo: 2:25

Yeah.

Aldover: 2:26

like getting on getting Easys on retail. But that didn't last very long cuz it's so hard to secure anything.

Gramajo: 2:33

Yeah. It's also yeah. Unless you're like botting it, it is hard to secure things. And then also just like the amount of. capital too. If you wanna make it big,

Aldover: 2:43

Exactly. So just a little side money at the time.

Gramajo: 2:47

nice.

Aldover: 2:48

So just heavy into playing games and the whole digital aspect of collecting things. When you played like Diablo two and World of Warcraft, I guess that just resonated with me and stuck with me. And once you got into the N F T space is basically the same thing, but you're throwing bucks out instead of digital money. Right?

Gramajo: 3:07

Yeah. And you don't have to worry about moving your collection across the country

Aldover: 3:11

Yeah. See, it's just all the space, like all these shoes take up so much fucking space.

Gramajo: 3:17

Agreed. No. Agreed man. Cause like sneakerheads, they want it like in some of them want the box cuz I think like the box makes it so they feel like it's more authentic.

Aldover: 3:25

Great.

Gramajo: 3:26

Yeah. And those boxes are not, they're not small,

Aldover: 3:29

Not at all. You scrap the shoes and foil and then send them out so my educational background was in business, but I actually got a job as a help desk and then computer desktop support when I started working full-time. So it's just interesting cuz I, I've always been into business and stuff in school, but all my jobs were really to technology.

Gramajo: 3:55

Yeah it's funny, I'd say like how, especially like in tech, like how you could not intend. like your goal or your intention isn't to be in tech, and then somehow you end up in a,

Aldover: 4:10

yeah. It just encapsulates everything. But I guess that a lot of that is because we're in the Silicon Valley.

Gramajo: 4:16

True.

Aldover: 4:16

Yeah.

Gramajo: 4:17

Do you feel like that technical background helps you a little bit with understanding some of

Aldover: 4:22

the tech

Gramajo: 4:23

blockchain or Yeah, like the tech behind the scenes

Aldover: 4:25

thing. You think you know things, but you really don't. It's just too much out there. I feel like I'm a huge retard when it comes to this stuff, even though I've been working at tech all my life.

Gramajo: 4:37

maybe it helps with understanding at least the basic concepts

Aldover: 4:40

Yeah.

Gramajo: 4:41

Like blockchain

Aldover: 4:42

I don't know what the merge is all about. People keep talking about the merge and all. All I see is Vitalic van Uterine with a boner.

Gramajo: 4:51

Yeah. We're all long on E, as they said,

Aldover: 4:55

Yep. Exactly.

Gramajo: 5:00

So what do you enjoy the most about kind of the web three or NFT space or crypto as a whole?

Aldover: 5:07

It's pretty cool. But when I first got into it, it was from a coworker touting how cool n b a top shot was. And I had no idea what an N F T was at the time. It's the hell is this? You're just buying gifts of basketball player highlights online. But then he started showing me like how lucrative it was like LeBron James moment selling for$30,000,$40,000. I was like, whoa, that's really cool. And it then he just like made that distinction that it's like you're owning a ba, a basketball card, but it's just online so you don't have the physical card but still shows that you own it. All right? So I was like, all right, that's pretty cool. I might as well start collecting them. So I ape the hell into top shot. And that was back in March, 2021. So like really early into nft.

Gramajo: 5:54

Yeah,

Aldover: 5:55

was cool, but

Gramajo: 5:56

yeah, early, like in the 2021 Wave, cuz you know, there's definitely like some people that were in it I guess late 2017

Aldover: 6:05

that's true. I was actually buying a theory on a Bitcoin back in 2017. Just never knew anything about NFTs at the time.

Gramajo: 6:14

yeah, NFTs is it took me a while to make my way into NFTs, so I've. I've been in the crypto space since like December, 2012 I remember is when I bought my first Bitcoin. And even then it took me a hot minute to, to buy into even I just thought it was like a scam for the longest time, I think is what it

Aldover: 6:38

But you still had Bitcoin in 2012.

Gramajo: 6:40

Yeah. It's you get into these bitcoin maxi echo chambers and of Hard to snap out of there like I was also like, not even, I remember hearing about Ethereum like really early on and I just remember thinking like, why would I get rid of my Bitcoin for Ethereum? Like that sounds dumb.

Aldover: 7:01

right? And that's back when it was like 20 cents

Gramajo: 7:04

Yeah, exactly. It. I don't even, I don't know if it was actually 20 cents when I actually heard about it. I don't think I was that early on, on the Ethereum, but it was definitely a lot cheaper And yeah, it took a while for me to I could grasp like how big of a, an ambition ETH was it's pretty easy to say a forward-looking statement like that. We want to be X and not deliver on it.

Aldover: 7:29

But I skillfully bought the top when it did spike in 2017. So I was reeling because it dropped back down Actually went to a thousand bucks and I was like, all right, it's gonna keep going up now. And then I bought a bunch then, and then that's when it dropped from a thousand back to 150 bucks.

Gramajo: 7:47

Yeah, those drops. Those

Aldover: 7:49

I save for Bitcoin. Yeah.

Gramajo: 7:51

Yeah, no, 100%. Man I remember Bitcoin was like a 20 grand and dropped to 500 in the span of six weeks. Which is, that's why these bear markets I think they don't phase me as much as, I mean it still sucks you don't get me wrong. Still sucks. And you try and time the bottom, the quote unquote bottom, but,

Aldover: 8:11

But I think right now it's going in tandem with the equities bear market, which kind of sucks cuz then there's gonna be no money to come back into crypto.

Gramajo: 8:18

yeah. Yep.

Aldover: 8:19

Yeah.

Gramajo: 8:20

What's the weirdest non P f P item in your collection?

Aldover: 8:24

I don't know. There's too many to name So after getting out of the top shot and that, that tanked so, so bad because I was spying at the peak then. And by the time I was out of top shot, it was like July, August and I would just, I found Ethereum right. And then I found Ethereum NFTs, and I saw that those was monkeys were so lucrative. But by then they're already, I was already pressed out. So the board apes were like 12 or 12 to 15. So I just got in, I started buying random ass shit. I think the weirdest thing I bought on ETH was I started collecting food macu.

Gramajo: 9:03

What's that?

Aldover: 9:05

I don't know if he's actually A P F P, but it's the dude who actually put food on his face

Gramajo: 9:11

Oh, you're

Aldover: 9:12

then minted it.

Gramajo: 9:12

link of that. I'm gonna have to see this.

Aldover: 9:16

All

Gramajo: 9:16

I'll include it in the notes too, cause this is gonna be hilarious.

Aldover: 9:20

And he was popular in the PFP space because they would always make PFPs out of his art. I would say. Let's see. He was just, he made a, he actually made a collection called Delectables. This person I came up, when I looked for him on open c. most of it's collections on an origin, we like that. Yeah,

Gramajo: 9:43

Let's look at this thing. Oh, interesting.

Aldover: 9:51

look at that. He still has 98 total Ethereum in sales

Gramajo: 9:57

That's insane.

Aldover: 9:59

It was pretty interesting. So a lot of the early, the PFPs during the p wave, after the board apes and him, he was like very active in this space. So he would mint these and a lot of the PFP collections would actually have a tribute to him with a food mask, PPF P

Gramajo: 10:16

Yeah.

Aldover: 10:17

like one-on-one. And then I would be like, oh, who is this guy? They keep making PFPs about him in these animal collections. I was like, oh, he actually mins his own. Maybe he'll catch some traction cuz it's unique and different. But it's just guy selling pictures of food on his face.

Gramajo: 10:32

Yeah. This is dope though. I've actually like never seen this.

Aldover: 10:36

That's funny. Yeah. So that's if you're early into that stuff. And then on when I got to Ethereum, that was after I got into a lot of failed animal projects and in Ethereum. So I went to Tezos. Because there you could make a lot of mistakes. Were a lot cheaper.

Gramajo: 10:55

agreed. When did you get into Tezos then? So let's see. So you got into Top Shop March, made your way over until August or something. So when did you get into

Aldover: 11:04

July, August. So maybe August, September, which is my first Tezos one. And then Tezos was interesting cause I was like, oh man, all this cool looking art are so cheap. So it was like, I'll just buy anything that I think looks cool. So the very first things I started buying on Tezos were copy mints,

Gramajo: 11:22

Nice.

Aldover: 11:22

had no idea. So I got a lot of these really cool copy mints and I found out that copy bending was like a shitty practice. You shouldn't do it. I was like, I just get to hold more NFTs if I do it this way,

Gramajo: 11:31

That's hilarious.

Aldover: 11:33

So I got some pretty cool copy minute things. I was like, oh, let me find out who actually sold it because it got banned on. And I found out I find out they're like actually still Ethereum NFTs that just happened to get complimented onto Tezos. That looked really cool. Which is a shame cuz I wish I was able to just own them.

Gramajo: 11:50

Yeah. Yeah. Copy minting. I swear that gets everyone.

Aldover: 11:54

yeah. So that was this fancy fatal lights collection, which is not actually, which I actually found on Maker Space. But if you wanna see the weirdest crap I bought on Tezos, I don't even know if I should delete it here.

Gramajo: 12:09

I'm for it. No. I'm for it.

Aldover: 12:11

And I just thought, this is so freaking weird. I'm just gonna buy it cuz it's a couple tezos and I've been spending thousands dollars on eth for like things I don't even know if I'm gonna like later on. And this artist, if you would say it's an artist, made this weird stuff,

Gramajo: 12:30

Yeah. This is interesting.

Aldover: 12:35

If you want to call it Interesting. Yeah. Look at that.

Gramajo: 12:38

Yeah, this is,

Aldover: 12:39

even believe this kind of stuff exists without reading me?

Gramajo: 12:43

I think it, I don't know. It's almost like.

Aldover: 12:48

like I think that's complimented.

Gramajo: 12:50

Is this like collage almost Is it,

Aldover: 12:53

animated collage work,

Gramajo: 12:54

yeah, like it's going for the vibe. I don't know. Like it's not that bad actually. Like it's, yeah, it's actually not that bad.

Aldover: 13:01

Lot of this stuff, TJ O makes his call man

Gramajo: 13:04

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. This is actually not that bad. Same

Aldover: 13:07

He's I'm gonna buy it.

Gramajo: 13:08

how am I buy something? Nah, I'm just kidding.

Aldover: 13:11

the weed ones actually available, but he lit, he minted on his set. Nu. So you can't get it here unless you go

Gramajo: 13:18

dude. And none of them are for sale. Look at that.

Aldover: 13:20

Yeah, because they're minted so long ago, you actually have to go to a different platform.

Gramajo: 13:25

Yeah, you gotta go to TA or something, right?

Aldover: 13:27

Yeah, exactly.

Gramajo: 13:28

This is

Aldover: 13:29

But yeah, so that's what I'd say is my like weirdest non p fp mints for sure.

Gramajo: 13:36

I can't even, I actually, I should actually probably my purchases and figure out what's my weirdest one if I'm gonna be asking these questions. I was, I should definitely know that for myself.

Aldover: 13:47

right? Yeah. You should show me what you got and I'll show you what I have

Gramajo: 13:51

Yeah. I'll have to, I'll have to get back to you on that one. I'll look in a bit and I'll send it to

Aldover: 13:56

Yeah, like I'll show you mine if you show me yours.

Gramajo: 13:58

Exactly. Exactly. Let's see. Do you have any kind of tips or tools now? So it looks so, I think so You've been now in this space for at least over and a half, a year and a half now. Through some highs. Now we're in the bear, although some people refuse to believe it.

Aldover: 14:17

Oh no, it's,

Gramajo: 14:18

do you have any kind of any tips, any guidance, any tools that you use? Or just anything, just to help people? get in the space when they hear this later on.

Aldover: 14:28

oh, that's a good question. Don't do what I did. don't fall into the hype. You actually had to make rational decisions for sure. So it was a lot of my early buying was based off of hype, and that never panned out at all. And the most lucrative trades or buys I made in this space were when people weren't actually buying into things. And it was stuff I genuinely liked and enjoyed.

Gramajo: 14:53

Yeah,

Aldover: 14:54

turns out that if you actually enjoy something, other people are gonna enjoy and wanna buy it off You too at some point, right?

Gramajo: 14:59

yeah. It's funny how that works, right?

Aldover: 15:02

Seriously.

Gramajo: 15:03

It is. No, that's serious. Like you, like I know like a lot of like people like that have been into NFTs for a while now, or just like the whales they're always saying the things you like, or at least the group that we hang out with on Discord

Aldover: 15:16

Yeah.

Gramajo: 15:17

Like that's the first rule is buy what you like and then someone else likes it, then it's good. And if not, then you're stuck with something. At least you like,

Aldover: 15:26

exactly. So that's the best advice cuz Top shot, that portfolio is probably down 60 to 70%, if not more. All the early PFPs I bought, let's start naming them. Dope. He was hype hippos. Secret Society of Whales, et cetera, et cetera. They're like all going to zero. And then things I collected from artists, I like they just stay, retain, value

Gramajo: 15:53

yeah, I'm not looking for what is the weirdest thing I've thought let's look.

Aldover: 16:09

And even though we didn't sell the Alpha dog tags at the top, they're still more than we paid for them and still producing quality products every month.

Gramajo: 16:18

Yeah. 100%. Yeah. Definitely. I forget who did it. Was it was it tactical? Someone in the Alpha Dog Group sold around 20, I don't think they were the highest, like a 25 or whatever

Aldover: 16:32

HIAs was a start something at 25, and he's an active in absolutely wrong Discord too.

Gramajo: 16:38

Yeah. And then I think they recently got in back again, like at

Aldover: 16:43

Using That's crazy. Yeah. Just using the money they sold at the top.

Gramajo: 16:47

Yeah they sold like close to like pretty damn close to the top and then got back in at half the price and I think they went off and bought like a doodle or something, if I'm remembering it correctly.

Aldover: 16:56

That's insane. Yeah. I think if we played it we could have sold at the top, bought three Moon Birds and then sold them at the top and it made like 150

Gramajo: 17:06

Yeah. Let's not remind me,

Aldover: 17:09

Yeah, it's fine. We're still plus,

Gramajo: 17:12

right. I am still looking to see what is the weirdest thing I bought.

Aldover: 17:16

so probably my favorite thing about NFTs right now, especially on Tezos, is just being able to collect them and connect with the artists that make them. So there's just a lot of really cool artists out there that are really down to earth and just make awesome things. And you can talk to them about it.

Gramajo: 17:34

Yeah, agreed. Yeah. Especially, I don't know, Teslas is really cool. That's what I like about Tesla.

Aldover: 17:39

Yeah. And then those artists will start paving their way and then they go into Ethereum, but they're still the same people you were talking to, buying their work for 10 bucks.

Gramajo: 17:50

Yeah. Is that how, like how early on did you find absolutely wrong outta

Aldover: 17:56

Pretty early on. He only had I would say eight NFTs total minted on object at the time. And then I decided I was just gonna collect all of them,

Gramajo: 18:06

That's epic, man.

Aldover: 18:07

I met him and then he saw me sweep his floor, and then he started talking to me. I was like, I really like your collection, your art. And he was like, yeah, you just having fun with it at the time. But then he got really popular, just mincing more and more.

Gramajo: 18:25

Yeah,

Aldover: 18:26

Yeah, that happened with quite a handful of artists.

Gramajo: 18:29

Yeah, I know. I realized at some point that we were like in the same tezos sphere as

Aldover: 18:35

Yeah. Circle the sake. I found all the same glitch artists, and then they just all started coming up from the same group as absolutely wrong, right?

Gramajo: 18:44

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It was all organic and together. All right. I don't know if this is the weirdest thing I've bought, but I'll share something that I bought. Nah, I'll go for the duck. I have something, I have a thing about ducks for some reason. So here is a duck. I got really, I got started really late in into NFTs. So I got into like NFTs, like the first week of October.

Aldover: 19:12

Yeah. Oh, so is this one of your first ones? Minted

Gramajo: 19:14

No is one of the first ones I pur, purchased

Aldover: 19:17

Yeah. Wow.

Gramajo: 19:19

Yeah. Like really early on. I think I bought this the first thing I definitely bought was especially on Tezos, I think was the Jack from Des Cruz. Yeah. So that was the one that, that got me onto the Tezos and made me into a Tezos maxi, almost

Aldover: 19:35

That was the first thing I Paper handed

Gramajo: 19:38

the Jack

Aldover: 19:39

Yeah. Cause I bought three of them at 12 Tezos and then they got up, they started shooting up to 60, 70, 80 and I started winding by other things so I was like okay, it's already a six x seven x so I just sold them then.

Gramajo: 19:55

Hey, nothing wrong with taking money, man, but for sure we all messed up cuz rain has like over a hundred.

Aldover: 20:02

Yeah. You're just supposed to stay long on some people. Yeah, I paper handed some Z can too.

Gramajo: 20:10

Oh, no way.

Aldover: 20:11

It wasn't anything too big. It was a 100 edition, but I bought it for 60 and then it went up to 500

Gramajo: 20:22

Oh, man. Yeah. We can't live life with too much too much regret. You made money on the Jack. The Jack's been good for a lot of us.

Aldover: 20:32

I never had an incredible like Discord and Twitter. Raffle luck lately. So it helps to fund the Degeneracy.

Gramajo: 20:41

yeah. And you just want something recently too, didn't you?

Aldover: 20:44

Yeah, it was a one, one heart. You super rare actually.

Gramajo: 20:50

And that's a one of one, or?

Aldover: 20:51

Yeah, it was one of one that she never sold. And then the Twitter contest was what's the most hypocritical thing you've ever done? So like a true dj, I said The most hypo whole thing I said was joining this contest cuz I think this artist is cool just so I could win one, one in their art

Gramajo: 21:12

Oh my God, I love it.

Aldover: 21:13

And then she said I won because I made her laugh the most.

Gramajo: 21:17

I think that's hysterical, man. I think the one that cracked me up was definitely the shit coin. The shit coin was like genius marketing.

Aldover: 21:27

Oh, that was awesome. I helped the AW come up with that actually

Gramajo: 21:31

Yeah. That was way too much fun. Almost, actually. It was like

Aldover: 21:35

I told him we should keep doing things like that, but he's just been so busy. As soon as he can start doing the full-time entity degen stuff, we can come up with a lot of more things,

Gramajo: 21:43

Yeah he got into se super rare. So

Aldover: 21:47

Yeah. That's awesome.

Gramajo: 21:48

hopefully things take off or becomes, it starts becoming more viable. Although I should buy a one of one first before before that happens.

Aldover: 21:55

I know, right? I don't even have any, I've been supporting him for so long.

Gramajo: 21:59

I'd the only thing I have that's close to one of one is the funk. Let's see. Man,

Aldover: 22:06

Oh yeah. That was pretty cool though, that you got that.

Gramajo: 22:08

I was pretty stoked, man. I was pretty stoked. I I was trying super hard to get oh, I got a mo, I got a inverse. So the grun is the one that's a one of one from aw. But yeah, I was trying so hard to get a funk for the hot, for the hottest minute and when. Yeah, when Asa was I'm gonna be doing an e project, it seemed like a easy thing for me. And then once I saw like the one of ones too, I was like, oh damn. And I never get lucky in minting anything.

Aldover: 22:38

I know. That was so insane.

Gramajo: 22:41

Yeah. Especially for like for someone that was like in his server. I don't know it just, it worked out pretty well.

Aldover: 22:48

it just all fell into place.

Gramajo: 22:50

Yeah. It fell into place. Yeah. I think someone would've to offer me like a good amount of money. Cuz I'm starting to like it I, I try not to switch too much, like my PFP on Twitter for whatever reason. And I'm really liking this one and it's like pretty recognizable, like I think

Aldover: 23:05

It's still ethere of one to one,

Gramajo: 23:07

exactly.

Aldover: 23:08

Aw. Did right. It's crazy.

Gramajo: 23:10

What are you gonna do with your.

Aldover: 23:13

I don't know. I thinking maybe I should just sell it so I can bid on aws. Super rare Time.

Gramajo: 23:19

it'd be

Aldover: 23:19

makes me worry.

Gramajo: 23:20

cause at least

Aldover: 23:21

Yeah.

Gramajo: 23:22

cuz you, yeah, I think that'd be, honestly, that'd be pretty great cuz if you've been that bullish on Aw for that early, then yeah I think it makes sense

Aldover: 23:33

nFTs aren't liquid. So even if I list it at the floors, I'm probably gonna still sit But here is that heart.

Gramajo: 23:46

Yeah. I wanna see it actually. I don't think I saw it. I think I saw you one, but I don't think I actually saw it.

Aldover: 23:51

So it's, the actual title of the heart is hypocrite because the contest was what's most hypocritical thing you've done

Gramajo: 23:57

Yo, this is a dope color way too though. I love like olive of colored

Aldover: 24:02

And she's sending me the physical, so it'd be weird to sell it when I have the physical Yeah.

Gramajo: 24:07

Aw, dude. I don't know,

Aldover: 24:09

It's hard to part with one or the other now at that point. At that point,

Gramajo: 24:12

I'm a sucker for like emo I get emotionally atti, like I'm, that, that's what I'm trying to work on. This bear is like trying to become, cause I'm not like this with stock. I used to be like, when I first was getting into stocks, I used to be connected to it.

Aldover: 24:24

At least stocks, you can't actually stay connected at some point. It's just a number,

Gramajo: 24:29

but I gotta become like that with NFTs. This is dope though. This is, yeah. I'm definitely including this in the links for everybody to see. Cuz this is really dope.

Aldover: 24:38

Yeah, it's pretty cool. I didn't think I was gonna win it just because I just thought of the most crass, rude answer, Twitter contest. But she just enjoyed the honesty. She said,

Gramajo: 24:48

Nah. Yeah, sometimes that's like the best way, man. I think that makes the, I think that makes the story even better, almost.

Aldover: 24:53

yeah, I'll give you the tweets. Include, so

Gramajo: 24:56

Yeah, I'll take it all, man. I'll include it in the show notes. Yeah, let's look at, I know you post, you posted it on an Alpha Dog, so I saw part of it,

Aldover: 25:12

Yeah.

Gramajo: 25:12

dude. Freaking nuts, man. I love it.

Aldover: 25:20

Hell yeah.

Gramajo: 25:21

That's the way to do it. And there's a physical with it too. That's dope.

Aldover: 25:25

Yeah. That's really crazy. I was speaking physicals. Louis Ponce is always sending physicals now with his multi edition work, which is pretty awesome.

Gramajo: 25:34

Yeah, you got that crazy one right.

Aldover: 25:36

Yeah, I've so I started collecting him pretty late on because he already had so many of his collection of fragmented existence pieces out. But by the time I collected one, it was like 18, number 17, I think. But, I started following him ever since then, just because I think his art is like possibly one of the best artists in the entire space right now.

Gramajo: 26:01

It's really good.

Aldover: 26:02

Yeah. And so

Gramajo: 26:05

I wasn't too too, like for me, it came out of I'm sure he's had a huge following for a while, but for me came out of like left field and, but when you posted it or someone in Alpha Dog did, I was like, oh man this is.

Aldover: 26:20

oh yeah. He actually wasn't that huge when I first found him, but he was already on addition number 16 of this collection. But then they just started getting bought up like crazy and then like his floor just went from, I don't know, it's like the cheapest piece of any of his things that are under 40 editions. It's 700 Tezos.

Gramajo: 26:45

It's not

Aldover: 26:46

People are just working to complete the sets, this full set. But yeah, so I collected number 16 as my first one. And that was just when he listed it and he actually had a bunch of people that were already on his wait list or whatever, so I just had to buy it on secondary immediately. And I guess he took notice because I bought two editions on secondary, even though they were like three or four times his listing price.

Gramajo: 27:09

Yeah.

Aldover: 27:10

So he just reached out to me on Twitter and basically said, Hey, thanks for buying. I said yeah, I really like your work. And he, and we started talking since then. And then he made a discord, so I joined that too.

Gramajo: 27:21

Hey, he's a Alpha dog artist, right? Or am I

Aldover: 27:24

Yeah. So I actually connected him with Mondo and to birds to see if he would do art for it. And he he said he was gonna do it in the second.

Gramajo: 27:32

That's what's up.

Aldover: 27:33

Which is really cool because at the time he wasn't even like blowing up that much until Cosmos started buying a bunch of his stuff on. Super rare.

Gramajo: 27:42

Yeah, I just found one. I know you linked it right now I'm just looking at it, man. There's some really great stuff in here.

Aldover: 27:49

Yeah. So that's his main collections, collection of fragmenting existence. And then he started dropping some stuff on foundation and then he like immediately got onboarded onto super rare and as soon gone, super rare.

Gramajo: 28:02

Game over.

Aldover: 28:03

yeah. Cosmos started buying all his art there. Actually he cosmos buying some of his stuff on Tezos already. So he was the first one to buy number eight, which is like the most popular one. Like way more than what anyone else is paying at the time for any of these fragmented pieces. and that just draw Drew more and more attention.

Gramajo: 28:23

This one's dope.

Aldover: 28:25

Yeah, it's probably like my favorite, but it's probably the most outta reach now. the last sale was 3000 on it.

Gramajo: 28:34

That's not too bad, man. There was one though I just saw with the floor of 11,000

Aldover: 28:38

Oh yeah. That's cuz anytime they like completely sell out, I just list it for 10,000 if I have it.

Gramajo: 28:45

Yeah, no, 100%. Man I need to start listing some stuff on Tezos for sure.

Aldover: 28:50

Yeah.

Gramajo: 28:52

It's just nuts. Like you can get something like on FX hash or a piece of someone for 10 20 tezos and

Aldover: 28:58

I know.

Gramajo: 28:59

Next thing you know like it's 10,000 Tezos and I know like com obviously compare and relative to eth, like that's not like the same, I don't know, but That's

Aldover: 29:09

It's something. It is a lot, Yeah. You're just multiplying your money 10 20 fold.

Gramajo: 29:15

exactly. Wow.

Aldover: 29:16

Yeah. But I don't know when I got into Tezos, the coin was already like$4 and 50 cents a pop. So I was spending a lot more to get my TE pieces

Gramajo: 29:26

agreed.

Aldover: 29:26

and then and then it shot up to nine bucks and I was still buying te to like button MIT more or buy more stuff. So I've had some

Gramajo: 29:35

I'm waiting for that Tesla's bull run.

Aldover: 29:39

so like now's the best time to just collect coins, but it's just too hard cuz we've been in the bear for so long.

Gramajo: 29:45

yeah, we got a while to go too, man. Especially after the inflation numbers that just came out.

Aldover: 29:52

Let me see. The only listening on this one is fine for 10,000

Gramajo: 30:00

Yeah. These are dope. I don't have to look it up. All right. Let's see.

Aldover: 30:05

Yeah. So Lewis sent two physicals so far actually he had three physical pieces that he sent. The first one was just a acid print of one of his collection of fragmenting existences. And then he dropped an Ethereum addition where he sent one of those infinite objects, which is pretty awesome.

Gramajo: 30:24

how

Aldover: 30:24

then the last one

Gramajo: 30:25

sell for

Aldover: 30:26

there was a super rare table that sold for I don't remember three. No, it was like 60,000 bucks at the time. I think

Gramajo: 30:32

Yeah, I remember like you posted it and then I think at that point I was following him on Twitter already. That table's nuts.

Aldover: 30:40

it's insane.

Gramajo: 30:41

That table's insane. Like that thing is a work of art.

Aldover: 30:48

Let's see. He has a website and I think that's where he posted it. Oh yeah. That thing is freaking ridiculous. He had it like showcasing his studio on his website.

Gramajo: 31:04

Yeah. The same. Oh, this is dope. Yeah, this table's absolutely nuts. What's funny is I have those chairs.

Aldover: 31:16

just get the table now.

Gramajo: 31:17

Yeah. No, trust me, man. I was like, I already got the chairs. I was like, oh, I need some table. And then I was like, oh, it's only 30 E

Aldover: 31:27

Hey, that's pretty cheap, considering the cost of eat at the time you won it too.

Gramajo: 31:31

Oh I know, definitely. Yeah, because if eat hits like 10 grand, then yeah, that table becomes really expensive. All right. Let's see. All right, so P Chos, I don't know if you know what Bero is, but P Chos is

Aldover: 31:43

Oh, I saw you. Yeah, I said it's like snacks.

Gramajo: 31:46

Yeah. It's actually it's like probably closer to tapas, but I think people would be,

Aldover: 31:50

I like

Gramajo: 31:51

would get angry if you would say tapas.

Aldover: 31:53

Spanish tapas are good.

Gramajo: 31:54

Yeah. So with that, what is your favorite snack?

Aldover: 32:01

That's a good question. I'm a foodie, so there's too many to name. How about a really good charcuterie board?

Gramajo: 32:08

Oh, you can never go wrong with a good jacori board.

Aldover: 32:11

Yeah, just something loaded up with a bunch of prochilo. You have a lot of your good cheeses on there, like brie cam bear, smoked goda olives inside. Yeah, that's, that'll probably be my go-to snack

Gramajo: 32:24

Do you go jams or no jams?

Aldover: 32:26

You can go jams. Not all the time. She's a little bit sweet on the sides. Okay. But you have all so many salty things already.

Gramajo: 32:34

Yeah. Yeah, that's a good one. I like that. Ja board.

Aldover: 32:39

All right? And if it wasn't that, like a finger snack, have you ever had salted egg, fish skin?

Gramajo: 32:44

No, but I do I don't mind fish skin. It tastes actually really good. Do.

Aldover: 32:50

All right. Wilder. There's a snack. You can probably get it any Asian market around the Bay Area, but it's called salted egg fish skin. And once you have it, you're just never gonna want any other snack again.

Gramajo: 33:01

I'm gonna have to look at the macros on this first before I buy it.

Aldover: 33:06

Yeah. No you're screwed. It just deep fried fish skin with salt on it.

Gramajo: 33:11

Oh yeah. Oh, this looks good. I love stuff like this. I bet. Yeah I'm sure I would love this.

Aldover: 33:17

Yeah, but I usually find it at 99 Ranch.

Gramajo: 33:21

Awesome. Yeah, I'm trying to think of what my favorite snack would be.

Aldover: 33:27

Now you don't even know what's a Grandma Maho.

Gramajo: 33:30

Yeah. I don't know, man. I like PB and Js man. Like a real good PB and j.

Aldover: 33:36

That's not,

Gramajo: 33:37

I eat that for breakfast, lunch, or dinner.

Aldover: 33:39

you call that a snack though,

Gramajo: 33:41

No, I know that's a staple. That's family. Nah, lemme think. Huh? I wanna say chicharron, but that's like way too,

Aldover: 33:57

That's fine. It's the spicy kind.

Gramajo: 33:59

too sa. Yeah, exactly. Like the spicy kind. I don't know. I grew up eating I'm sure you're, you've seen this, but like mangos like

Aldover: 34:07

Yeah.

Gramajo: 34:07

and stuff like that, or

Aldover: 34:09

They got the frozen one at Costco too, that we get sometimes, which is pretty bomb.

Gramajo: 34:13

oh, I have not, I don't think I've seen that one. Or if I have, I'm probably trying to avoid it just to not buy it.

Aldover: 34:19

Yeah. That's all you're starting to work out or at least log your workouts.

Gramajo: 34:23

Yeah. Yeah. I'm trying to, man, it's I used to be super overweight, so I try,

Aldover: 34:29

I see. Yeah, it's hard to keep that down. I think, I'm trying to get overweight now. My wife and I got married last November and I think I've gained 15 pounds since then.

Gramajo: 34:39

Oh man. Oh man. Yeah, it's tough, man. It's super

Aldover: 34:43

It's almost a year though, so that's like barely. That's barely a pound a month.

Gramajo: 34:48

Yeah. No, it's not, that's not even that bad at

Aldover: 34:50

I'm just missing. Yeah.

Gramajo: 34:52

No. I, yeah I think I used to be, so I did sports in high school, so I was like pretty fit and then just college wrecked me hella bad. So it took a long time to get back down. And then now I'm actually like at my high school weight and I'm trying to go

Aldover: 35:08

That's fair. That's pretty good actually.

Gramajo: 35:10

yeah. So we'll get there slowly with Shirley. But yeah, as as you become an adult and everything, like more and more, I'm not saying. I don't adult things just come up like, you gotta

Aldover: 35:22

Oh, hell yeah.

Gramajo: 35:23

Care of family, take care of your wife. I don't know, there's just a whole bunch of stuff you gotta handle.

Aldover: 35:28

It's just the full-time work. It's a really great one here.

Gramajo: 35:31

Yeah. You just got promoted too, right? Not to dox here, but yeah. So I think you have more responsibilities now. Yeah, man. It's hard.

Aldover: 35:38

Yeah.

Gramajo: 35:41

Yeah.

Aldover: 35:41

All right. So what other questions you got for your How about some of my favorite artists in the space?

Gramajo: 35:47

yeah, let's gimme that. What are you looking forward to? Why don't you gimme your favorite artist in the space right now, and then why don't you give me what are you looking forward to? So that's one of the segments I have in, in my newsletter is like something I'm looking

Aldover: 36:00

Oh, yeah.

Gramajo: 36:01

week. It doesn't have to be this week for you, but like just in general, what are you looking

Aldover: 36:05

All right. Some of my favorite have to go with favorite, lesser known. I guess a W's gonna get pretty big cuz he just got in super rare. And Mr. Lake on, if you've never seen his work, he's really into animated PFPs and stuff.

Gramajo: 36:20

Yeah, I have a couple of early pieces from from Mondo. Actually. I don't know how I found Mondo super randomly, but,

Aldover: 36:28

yeah.

Gramajo: 36:28

yeah, that helped

Aldover: 36:30

Yeah. So he's been really grinding and everything he does is like really good character work. So I'm looking forward to see where he goes because I don't know, he can do a lot of like lare like art, but at the same time it's his own style.

Gramajo: 36:44

Yeah, I'm good.

Aldover: 36:46

And there's just that huge swath of other glitch artists on Tesa are pretty cool, like tack unbearable knife, king Xerox. Outside of Glitch, probably Maxwell Inked is really cool too.

Gramajo: 36:59

Oh, 100%

Aldover: 37:00

Yeah. On the Ethereum side, I really like Alpha Zari kid, but I don't know, he's massive already.

Gramajo: 37:09

huge. Nah. Yeah. Yeah. But it could be anyone. Think of it like someone it's funny because I feel like, so we obviously are hanging around the same kind of space right now, like me and you. But there's plenty of people that I like that maybe have heard of him. I don't know. Yeah. It, and they could. I don't wanna say Wales, but they could be like big accounts and they just, they're just in their own world of N F T that isn't similar to ours.

Aldover: 37:39

Yeah, that's true. There's just mega artists out there that we don't even talk about regularly.

Gramajo: 37:45

Exactly. Yeah. So yeah, officer Centri definitely hype to burn my max pain. Gotta figure out what color I'm a go for. I think I'm a go for the alpha dog, orange

Aldover: 37:57

I like that yellow one that he showed today too. I actually burned one of those before he even announced to burn

Gramajo: 38:06

You're like, I already know where we're going.

Aldover: 38:08

but it's not going to net me anything. I think it was just straight to the Flames,

Gramajo: 38:12

Yeah. Yeah.

Aldover: 38:13

because the burn itself is gonna be an exchange website that he's setting up with Manifold.

Gramajo: 38:19

Which is gonna be really dope actually.

Aldover: 38:21

Yeah. He gets them to do whatever he wants. It's pretty cool.

Gramajo: 38:24

Agreed.

Aldover: 38:25

a, yeah he's really close with the developer or the owner of Manifold, Richard, whatever his name is,

Gramajo: 38:32

Yeah. And it helps all of us it is a

Aldover: 38:34

they developed,

Gramajo: 38:35

that we do.

Aldover: 38:36

yeah. Cuz they developed these tools around him that other people can use, which is really cool.

Gramajo: 38:42

I think if I think when we look back on let's say next, next bull like the tools, the onboarding aspect of it that's what I think about. So I know you were talking about how you're in you've been in tech and all that. So of the things that I had to deal with in my real life from a job perspective is like change management, like global deployments of systems and All these crazy things. And so I think of. the end user experience constantly. And so when I look at just the NFT space, I think like part of the reason why I started, I think minting is just so I could become familiar with that process

Aldover: 39:22

Oh yeah, what can I do?

Gramajo: 39:23

that. Yeah. And then like how do I fit into that equation and trying to help the next wave of people As much. And I think with ACK working with manifold and stuff like that, I think it's, yeah, I think

Aldover: 39:36

yeah.

Gramajo: 39:37

It to the next bowl is gonna be great.

Aldover: 39:38

it's brilliant. Yeah. I always think of that same thing too. What can I do myself to get better in the space? So I've been just trying out all these different things, from just learning Blender and Photoshop on my own, just to see what I can make out there. And just looking at like solidity contracts and how that dev work happens.

Gramajo: 39:58

Yeah, exactly. Hey,

Aldover: 40:01

Yeah.

Gramajo: 40:03

and then so what other artists do you like or what other or what are you looking forward to in the general, are you gonna buy a doodle now that they announced

Aldover: 40:12

I was hoping they would get cheaper and I would have Ethereum too, buy it. Let's see who else. There's also Bono and TJ Hinos on Tez that I really like,

Gramajo: 40:25

Yeah. I'm

Aldover: 40:26

just like, all that same

Gramajo: 40:27

I'm actually on TJ's profile right now.

Aldover: 40:30

Let's see. Those guys are really cool. And they're just making art BDOs like,

Gramajo: 40:34

what was that first one you said? Bda?

Aldover: 40:36

yeah. Have you ever seen bdo? He has like the coolest vibes in his art. It's all his work is either like really chill or he had this new, he just came out with this new hostile collection, which is this like a more aggressive tone from what he already makes. Give you a link

Gramajo: 40:54

Thanks. Appreciate that.

Aldover: 40:55

and. His works pretty cheaper right now. Still also, you wanna sweep him. So the stuff in the red, black tones for black and yellow tones is his current collection that he's been dropping, which is hostile, which is a lot more aggressive and dark than what he's usually makes, which is the other stuff in the purple, green, and blue, which I've been collecting a lot of.

Gramajo: 41:19

Yeah. Good stuff. Yeah.

Aldover: 41:27

Yeah, there's actually some PFPs. Go ahead.

Gramajo: 41:32

I was gonna say I was, as I'm looking now, like my random profile. And the first thing, cuz it's been a while since I've collected on Tez, was also's, a Funker F Fortune token.

Aldover: 41:43

Oh yeah. The tokens for bidding on his funks. I got a bunch of those tokens. I've never won a funk in my life. I actually bid on the first three funks that ever cropped, but then I never went back to actually win one.

Gramajo: 42:01

Yeah. You gotta get yourself a funk man.

Aldover: 42:03

Yeah. I

Gramajo: 42:05

Although they're crazy now, or they were okay for a bit. They dropped up like a hundred tezos at some point,

Aldover: 42:12

I got a bunch of Tes ray to buy the color one once when it was still available, and then somebody bought it, so I was like, all right, I'm done.

Gramajo: 42:26

Yeah. So anything you're looking forward to in the next coming

Aldover: 42:29

When they actually figure out how to do NFT gaming correctly, I think that there's gonna be something that really blows the market away. And that's what I'm looking forward to is the first company that does NFT gaming.

Gramajo: 42:42

Yeah.

Aldover: 42:43

Cuz everything else for NFT games, right? They come up with NFTs first and then they try to build a game around it, which is completely asinine. It's never gonna work.

Gramajo: 42:52

100% agreed. Have you heard have you listened to by any chance Dave and Goose in their part, like their spaces that they do like on Mondays?

Aldover: 43:02

no, I don't actually listen to a lot of podcasts or spaces. So

Gramajo: 43:07

All

Aldover: 43:08

where they, yeah.

Gramajo: 43:09

Yeah. So the reason why I bring it up is that there's a guy in the Monster Server he's a moderator. He actually good friend met him in real life a couple times now, KO or Kong.

Aldover: 43:20

Oh, yeah.

Gramajo: 43:21

Yeah. So he

Aldover: 43:23

I haven't followed on Twitter.

Gramajo: 43:24

yeah, so he works in the gaming industry. Or he used to, I think without trying to dox some too crazy, but he was saying how, same thing as you're saying, basically like how all these p d e or like the games they're thinking of the N F T first, like exactly like you said versus the game. And really, like the game development one is super hard. If you, I've remember like CD, project Red or whatever, when they were doing the Witcher. they announced it and then they were like, we'll see you in three or four years for cyber bunk or something. And it takes time like from what I can see. And you don't even get a write at launch. And then yeah, you're right. Like they gotta make, they gotta make it fun or else what's the point of kind of no one's gonna come play the game

Aldover: 44:12

Yeah. Still wait for Halflife three. Yeah. There's so many good games out there where if you just tacked N F T onto the game that already exists, it would've been a huge success. Like World Warcraft, Fortnite, if the assets there were just NFTs and they weren't, it would've been insane. Yeah. See,

Gramajo: 44:29

would've been dope.

Aldover: 44:30

and I think that's what I'd be looking forward to the most in the space and be able to get into it early enough where I'm not the one breaking my bank

Gramajo: 44:39

True. I feel that.

Aldover: 44:42

but actually still am excited for some p ps. I actually bought a new chimp today

Gramajo: 44:49

Oh, you bought a Tramper.

Aldover: 44:50

I, Yeah,

Gramajo: 44:52

I like chimps. Chimps is good. I still three landers too.

Aldover: 44:59

Yeah, I know. And it's actually pretty low right now, isn't it?

Gramajo: 45:02

Yeah, they're stupid low right now,

Aldover: 45:04

Yeah. How about three lenders? Could be the next doodle. Just cause it looks like the next doodle

Gramajo: 45:10

Yeah. It's not too late. This bear's kind of weird. I feel like it's all over the place.

Aldover: 45:15

Yeah. So what PFPs are you still collecting now outside of three lenders?

Gramajo: 45:20

Honestly, I've just been focusing on, mostly, I've been focusing on getting, so for sure, like all the Alpha Dog pieces. Still really think they're signing up with great artists and all that for year two and yeah, so I'm really digging that and that's of where I try and stick to it right now. Just

Aldover: 45:43

Yeah. That's because that's easy. We don't have to make any decisions. I really like that part about that

Gramajo: 45:48

yeah, no, 100% man. 100%. Yeah, just cuz right now I'm at a I feel comfortable, like with the assets that I've acquired, when I thought we were not at the bottom, but like where we were. So I'm personally stacking just money until I see where the market goes. Like I want to see if it goes a little bit further down and then I'll continue acquiring. Or even if it goes up like$500, let's say like I won't be. With myself cuz you know, even eth at$2,100 is still good in my opinion.

Aldover: 46:23

Yeah, that's true. I should follow your steps

Gramajo: 46:26

So I'm just waiting to see I'm honestly in a hold in weight pattern for the most part. So I'm acquiring like I'm building up my assets, like on ETH Bitcoin still. I'm trying to get some more Acorn still got my looks going. So I'm acquiring like the crypto, but not necessarily NFTs unless it's like something so like the new lares, I got that randomly

Aldover: 46:48

see. So

Gramajo: 46:49

So whenever it makes sense, I'll, yeah. So like, whenever it makes sense, I'll bring money into the

Aldover: 46:54

like a lure white list or something like that, right?

Gramajo: 46:56

Yeah. Yeah. Like the only one that's made me be like, damn, like maybe I should bring out some money for this is like a super rare from a w I think that's like one that's on. Like on my radar. Cause I actually don't own a single piece on superhero, which is nuts.

Aldover: 47:13

Crazy. Yeah. I got my very first one was at heart

Gramajo: 47:16

yeah, that's a good one to start with, man. Seriously. Yeah. So I think, yeah. And then as what I'm looking forward to the 12 month reward announcement for Alpha Dog

Aldover: 47:27

Yeah. Same I don't,

Gramajo: 47:30

keep badgering over that

Aldover: 47:32

yep. That's one of my favorite things, man. It's just messing with the birds on that.

Gramajo: 47:37

I know that, that's why I bring it up. Cuz I'm gonna, I'm gonna leave this in here. I'm gonna leave this bit in here for sure. I think they know that I think they know that we're just like messing around too.

Aldover: 47:45

I think we're pretty, we're getting close to guessing who it is though, cuz they just get more quiet

Gramajo: 47:51

yeah. What's your guess then if you had to put a guess?

Aldover: 47:56

prediction. It could be Alpha's, entire kid.

Gramajo: 48:01

You think so

Aldover: 48:01

Yeah they got a lot more active on Responding to his tweets or just being more active on his Twitter or in his community?

Gramajo: 48:09

this is how the conspiracy theory starts.

Aldover: 48:11

yeah, So I don't know. What are your predictions? Any

Gramajo: 48:17

You know that actually now that you say that makes so much sense.

Aldover: 48:22

and very early on into Alpha Dog, I, when Mondo asks any artists that you would want to see on our lineups for the next two years, I just kept saying a c k And then didn't even know who he was at the time, so I had to show him all his Twitter information and his accounts and things he sold before. So I don't know if he reached out to him then and just kept pressuring him.

Gramajo: 48:46

Oh, that's spicy. That's spicy. I like it a lot actually,

Aldover: 48:51

Yeah. See,

Gramajo: 48:52

because I remember, okay, and this could be like, I could be tripping, man, but I swear cuz I jokingly kept saying X copy for a hot minute. And then they were I think they were alluding that they were like in the same, and I'm not trying to say that they're in the same genre but they're similar-ish. And they were. Yeah. Yeah. And they were of hinting at like they were hinting at some stuff. So I don't know. All right.

Aldover: 49:22

Yeah. And I don't know, and a did do a collab with X copy. That's what kind of sprung his career. So it's very interesting that cuz they have a really pretty close relationship.

Gramajo: 49:37

Yeah.

Aldover: 49:39

ex most famous piece was a collab. He started with X copy and then he just started making his own name since then.

Gramajo: 49:47

yeah, that is a interesting, I would be happy, actually. That would be dope as hell, man.

Aldover: 49:52

Yeah. It'll be sick.

Gramajo: 49:54

A one of even in that orange too. Yeah. You You know who am actually, I've been like looking forward to that came out of nowhere for me. His cardinal.

Aldover: 50:06

Oh yeah. He just started making things

Gramajo: 50:08

Yeah. Like I, he just posted I don't know. No, actually, was it, oh yeah. He just he or she just posted this the violent move.

Aldover: 50:16

we don't know what to see. Or he

Gramajo: 50:18

Yeah. So I'd just say he, she,

Aldover: 50:20

They, yeah. Remember that day we were talking in the Alpha Dog chat and I was showing the noise from Jack and he's what the hell is that? He made his own noise.

Gramajo: 50:30

that was for good. Hysterical, man. That's why I kept tagging them saying I need Cardinal. It was almost like the Dave Chapski. Oh, like someone called Jah. I need to know how to feel about this. I literally wanted to be like someone called Cardinal. I need to know how to feel about this

Aldover: 50:46

That was awesome.

Gramajo: 50:47

cause that thread was freaking hysterical, man.

Aldover: 50:49

made me time, and I still don't know how to feel about noise.

Gramajo: 50:54

I know. I definitely need, if I'm actually like, I'm working on a project and I'm for sure gonna run it through Cardinal and just be like, Feedback, dad. Just talk shit to me right now. Oh man.

Aldover: 51:08

Yeah. I've been messing around with Photoshop and then every time I get stuck on something I say, Hey, a w how do you do this?

Gramajo: 51:15

Oh, that's hilarious. Has he Is AWS a he?

Aldover: 51:18

Yeah.

Gramajo: 51:19

Okay. So has has he been sharing a little bit.

Aldover: 51:21

Yeah, once in a while he'd be like, oh, you just gotta go into these settings and then set the frame rate or something like that.

Gramajo: 51:28

That's cool, man. That's dope. I love that. That's

Aldover: 51:30

Yeah. I actually gave him a good kickstart when we were doing the shit coin stuff. So he's, we've been pretty close since then.

Gramajo: 51:37

That's awesome. Yeah. Shit, coins fricking, that's service hilarious, man. I love the energy that's in there for sure. It definitely if fits my vibe for sure.

Aldover: 51:45

Yeah, we actually loaded a lot of things in the pipe, but he just hasn't gotten to it. So we'll see how that goes. Cuz you know how Deb Birds is always touting how great Jake's DJ coin is for all the utility and all the other D coins are aw actually has a lot more ideas for his coin too.

Gramajo: 52:01

Yeah. Oh, you know who else is who, who else is I'm really enjoying the direction that they're going in now. Is east or Basque a

Aldover: 52:12

Oh yeah. So she says hi. Once in a while. AAW servers a

Gramajo: 52:15

Yeah she's definitely I love the direction that she's going in now. Like really enjoying the new pieces. I

Aldover: 52:24

I have actually never collected any of that APE stuff.

Gramajo: 52:28

Oh, no way. You don't have a Basque ape.

Aldover: 52:30

No. And I have four or five bass, Gunks,

Gramajo: 52:34

That's hilarious. Yeah. I don't know what it was. I like I'm a, I really Basquiat like a lot and that's I'm sure a very hipster thing to say. Like a lot of people I'm sure say that it's like Andy Warhol or some shit.

Aldover: 52:48

I like this can of soup

Gramajo: 52:50

yeah, exactly. yeah, I don't know. So I like Pesa and then I saw it wasn't like like templatize it was like very I could tell it was like definitely hand drawn and there was effort into it. So I, I just really liked it. I was definitely rocking it as p for a hot But I'm liking like, like the, where it's going now, like I'll even, I'll link this one here.

Aldover: 53:13

yeah. I'm looking at the BAS Ape collection. The last time, what APE Sold was three months ago. It's of sad, but the floor's still like three 50, so maybe that's why.

Gramajo: 53:23

Yeah. I think people are just holding on, Yeah.

Aldover: 53:25

see.

Gramajo: 53:26

I think I. Let's see. I'll do this first person to

Aldover: 53:32

Oh, that's pretty

Gramajo: 53:32

I'll give them a picture of mine. There you go. Let's see. We'll see who's actually listening and watching

Aldover: 53:41

Wait, this is live

Gramajo: 53:42

This is, no, this is not live. This will just make it into the recording when I drop it. We'll see who makes it this far into the whole thing. Let's see if it happens. You'll be my, you'll be my my witness. If someone tweets me

Aldover: 53:58

very t j o

Gramajo: 53:59

with their TE's address, I'll send him something. Oh, man.

Aldover: 54:07

I actually have a bunch of bass kicks too.

Gramajo: 54:10

Oh my God. Those are actually pretty good though. I like those.

Aldover: 54:13

Yeah. That you could tell. Their hand drawn. He posts him drawing them.

Gramajo: 54:18

Oh, Jay Ram too. He's coming out with some crazy stuff.

Aldover: 54:21

Oh yeah.

Gramajo: 54:23

Yeah. Jay Ram's got some crazy stuff. Did you see the new one from today or like

Aldover: 54:26

Not yet. He's hilarious too. He talks Ondo bunch of this too.

Gramajo: 54:29

Yeah. I don't think he understands my, he or she doesn't understand my humor just yet. Or maybe they do now. I think maybe now they learned cuz on someone came on the Ghost Discord and it was after Janet had just announced like Dinglings creator and the person was like, who's Dingling? And how did they get a white list or something completely Like you could tell that person had no idea like Behind getting that piece. But the piece looked crazy. Obviously. I don't know if you've seen the Creators, but it was hell funny. Cause everyone's like, you don't know who Dingling is.

Aldover: 55:08

oh my God. Dingling is the reason I got destroyed so much on top Shot

Gramajo: 55:12

Oh my God. I wouldn't doubt it, dude. Yeah,

Aldover: 55:14

He was going in and buying every number one of every single moment for like hundreds of thousands of dollars over asking And then people were like, okay, then top shot's gonna moon, right?

Gramajo: 55:27

exactly. Yeah. None. I think he still has it on his like Twitter profile if I, I'm

Aldover: 55:30

yeah, it just turned out he had infinite money.

Gramajo: 55:35

Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Aldover: 55:37

Oh God, dad, that creator looks insane. Do you have any ghosts?

Gramajo: 55:40

The digging late. Yeah. I only have a, the bronze tier I'm not that fancy.

Aldover: 55:45

That's still something, right? Isn't it like sexy?

Gramajo: 55:48

Not anymore, dude. You can get'em pretty cheap now. Actually. I was actually thinking about getting, that's like the other one I was thinking about getting another one of, but I was

Aldover: 55:55

so hard.

Gramajo: 55:55

thinking of getting the lunar instead, cause I have a Gemini, which I'm not even a Gemini, I just really like, The way it looks.

Aldover: 56:03

was it just cheap at the time?

Gramajo: 56:05

No mean, I still paid three eat or something for it.

Aldover: 56:08

Oh God. All

Gramajo: 56:09

Yeah. And I think you can get'em for one right now.

Aldover: 56:12

Yeah. I can't follow all this ghost stuff. There is so much rules in collecting

Gramajo: 56:18

There's a lot, man. There's so much, there's so many projects out there. It's insane. It's hard to keep up.

Aldover: 56:22

Actually, monsters follows the ghost stuff right? The way Laris does his monsters with tears.

Gramajo: 56:30

Yeah. Yeah.

Aldover: 56:31

Yeah.

Gramajo: 56:32

Yeah. Monsters is like home base for me. It's for sure where I spend way too many hours. Same with alpha Dog. Those are like the two servers. I spend

Aldover: 56:42

you still don't have your wonderful monster yet,

Gramajo: 56:45

No, man. One day, one day, all I have is the, all I have is the crafter. It's like a one of 10.

Aldover: 56:53

Oh yeah, that was the one he dropped on wearable when they went to Te Sorry.

Gramajo: 56:57

Yeah, I didn't get it on drop day.

Aldover: 57:00

It's dipped before though, so that's pretty cool.

Gramajo: 57:02

Yeah, I like it. There's not many yellow monsters

Aldover: 57:07

Yeah, that's true.

Gramajo: 57:08

that's unique aspect of it. But I definitely want to, there's a couple, like one of fives that I'm, I got my eye on. But I think that's the goal. Like during this bear, I don't know, cuz I know Lu Cross, he's, he hasn't been running auctions, but if for some reason does at some point during, hopefully before next March or April, then I think I'm gonna make a swing

Aldover: 57:34

go in. Yeah. How about the the pieces that give you the life of Mon Air drop?

Gramajo: 57:39

oh, an icon.

Aldover: 57:40

Yeah. Aren't

Gramajo: 57:41

I've been debating getting an icon. Yeah, that's a pretty good entry.

Aldover: 57:45

I really love those pieces too. They're just so funny.

Gramajo: 57:49

they're all really good.

Aldover: 57:50

The icons are great and then the life of mine, airdrops are all, have all been awesome

Gramajo: 57:55

100%. I've got all of'em and I

Aldover: 57:57

Oh, okay.

Gramajo: 57:58

Yeah I really like them all.

Aldover: 58:00

And then when lake on had an icon, Mr. Lake on, had an icon, his was really cool. So that was the time I thought maybe I should get in

Gramajo: 58:07

it's actually on sale I think right now.

Aldover: 58:09

Is there really? Probably still.

Gramajo: 58:12

Yeah.

Aldover: 58:13

Let me check.

Gramajo: 58:14

Hit, up. Dave. Dave's the guy that has it, if I'm not mistaken.

Aldover: 58:18

Oh, you're right,

Gramajo: 58:20

Yeah. I'm sure he's willing to work. He loves trading and wheeling and dealing yeah.

Aldover: 58:28

yes. I spoke to him one time before. It was pretty random. It was cuz I saw he got white lists for Hoppers and I said, are you gonna buy the Hoppers? Because a lot of time PFPs were like not doing so well.

Gramajo: 58:38

Yeah,

Aldover: 58:39

yeah, I'm just gonna buy and sell some right away. I just bought and hold them instead.

Gramajo: 58:43

I still have my hopper, dude. I have a badass hopper actually.

Aldover: 58:47

Yeah.

Gramajo: 58:47

Yeah,

Aldover: 58:48

They got a pretty cool one.

Gramajo: 58:49

A legit hopper too. It is nuts actually.

Aldover: 58:52

Yeah.

Gramajo: 58:54

Yeah. Let me see if I can find it. I just

Aldover: 58:56

Stuck your collection.

Gramajo: 58:58

ASA. It looks like we got something for the grun.

Aldover: 59:04

Oh yeah.

Gramajo: 59:06

I don't know what it could be. You think it's a

Aldover: 59:08

Oh. Start something actually air jogged your girl cuz he got so many which is really cool of him.

Gramajo: 59:13

That's nice. Yeah, I have 20 Grun.

Aldover: 59:19

Oh no. Why are you got the one of one.

Gramajo: 59:20

Yeah, I have to

Aldover: 59:21

You swept it. Yeah.

Gramajo: 59:23

Let's see. Lemme see if I can find my profile.

Aldover: 59:37

Yeah. But I think the best move in the space is when I went to TE and started diversifying the art rather than just buying the next few animal

Gramajo: 59:47

I agree. Yeah. It takes, I think it takes time to get to that realization,

Aldover: 59:52

Yeah, you gotta get thickened skin and be down a lot first before you figure it out.

Gramajo: 1:00:01

Yeah. Let's see where is my hopper? Did I send it to my

Aldover: 1:00:09

so I found your wallet.

Gramajo: 1:00:11

I know I have three wallets though, so I'm trying to figure out which one it said. Is it in my lukewarm wallet or is it in my

Aldover: 1:00:18

And I'm looking at Jake Ram Maho four, but all I see is the hopper airdrop where he's holding the bat.

Gramajo: 1:00:26

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Let me see. Where is it?

Aldover: 1:00:34

Oh, you have two pieces of noise. Anyway. Played

Gramajo: 1:00:37

I do, but apparently I needed three more

Aldover: 1:00:40

Yeah

Gramajo: 1:00:40

For the burn. Oh, there goes that.

Aldover: 1:00:43

Just sell them for 0.02 now.

Gramajo: 1:00:46

That's true.

Aldover: 1:00:50

See? There you go. Don't get attached. Got you.

Gramajo: 1:00:53

Thank you. Appreciate it. I do

Aldover: 1:00:55

No problem.

Gramajo: 1:00:56

Where is this thing? No, I gotta show you now. I think it's for two

Aldover: 1:01:05

I'll find my hopper while you look for yours.

Gramajo: 1:01:07

Yeah.

Aldover: 1:01:09

Show you mine if you show yours.

Gramajo: 1:01:12

Exactly. Is what happens when you have too many vaults or too many like squirrely places. Oh, here we go. I did send it to the vault. Good. Cuz there's no way I'll sell this

Aldover: 1:01:29

Okay.

Gramajo: 1:01:31

Hoppers 72, 65.

Aldover: 1:01:35

Oh, that's pretty dope. Look at the earrings.

Gramajo: 1:01:37

I know. Looking like a thug. I love it.

Aldover: 1:01:43

the hopper tag and everything. Yeah, the dragon ones are dope. Even the wing has an earring that matches your earring. That's very cool, dude.

Gramajo: 1:01:52

I really like this one for some reason. Yeah.

Aldover: 1:01:54

He is blinged out. All right.

Gramajo: 1:01:58

Yeah. Let's see. Yours. Shaka is hilarious, man. That foot licking emoji has been hysterical for me.

Aldover: 1:02:06

Yeah.

Gramajo: 1:02:07

I know people are like, what's wrong with that guy? But it is hilarious.

Aldover: 1:02:16

I got one with Dragon Winks, but I think this is the one I like more.

Gramajo: 1:02:24

I was trying to get bad bunny to get one for the while for a hot ass minute.

Aldover: 1:02:28

Yeah.

Gramajo: 1:02:29

I kept tagging it. I was like, bro, you need a bunny. Get a hopper. Oh, this is actually really cool. I like this.

Aldover: 1:02:34

Yeah,

Gramajo: 1:02:35

Like the dripping paint. Yeah.

Aldover: 1:02:37

Hey, it's Blood Man.

Gramajo: 1:02:40

I like this actually. This is dope.

Aldover: 1:02:42

It's pretty cool with the backpack. It's just completely out of place.

Gramajo: 1:02:45

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Shit. All right. I think I'm gonna get going soon.

Aldover: 1:02:55

All right. Very good.

Gramajo: 1:02:57

Thanks again, man. Appreciate this. I'm

Aldover: 1:02:59

Yeah, it's fun.

Gramajo: 1:03:00

it's gonna take some time for me to chop it up and then I gotta figure out how to host it, where to host it, All right, man. See you. Thanks again for doing this. Appreciate it