The Wisdom of Wellness Podcast

Transforming Your Wealth Identity with Faith Based Principles with Victoria Washington

Dr. Kayla Lucas Episode 76

We all know money wounds run deep in the family. But did you know Victoria Washington found out those scarcity sensations actually live in your blood? Wild right? 

Today, we are joined by Victoria Washington, Wealth Activator, Creative Director, Transformational Speaker, and Founder of The House of WE®. 

Through her journey of self-discovery, she realized all the lack patterns and covenants of limitation she saw in her lineage were things passed down through generations. By doing the inner work to uncover where it was coming from in her story and choosing to break free from those old agreements, she transformed everything overnight—from bankruptcy to multiple six figures! 

Now she gets it: When you heal your money story and change your relationship with wealth through embodying principles with God at the center, you create a whole new legacy. 

We talk more about: 

  • Victoria's spiritual journey of self-discovery 
  • Developing a conscious relationship with money
  • Healing generational patterns of scarcity
  • Embodying faith and finance principles
  • Sensation work and money manifestation

Connect with Victoria:

To learn more about Victoria’s work, visit www.thehouseofwe.com or follow her on Instagram at @IAMVICTORIAWASHINGTON

Resources:

Devotionals:

Upon Waking by Jackie Hill Perry

Purpose Driven Life by Rick Warren

Playlists:

The Love of God

Jesus and Exhale

Soaking in His Presence

Quiz:

The Wealth Arch

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Lead with love and joy!

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Victoria Washington: Amazing.

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Dr. Kayla Lucas: Okay. Welcome, Victoria. I girl. I just wanna say you know how like everyone's vibe in on like Taylor swifties like they're all swifty fans. I'm a Victoria fan. I'm a tori through and through. I have been following you for about a year now. And, girl, I know you're gonna blow people's minds with what we're gonna talk about today. And I'm just so grateful to have you on the show.

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Dr. Kayla Lucas: I feel like you have this authentic presence in your messaging and what you are teaching people, and how you are building a faith based God principled business. I myself am not a person who would say that I talk about God really easily with friends, or I express it very easily. And I ask that audience today just keep an open mind for what this woman is going to teach you, and

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Dr. Kayla Lucas: and what she's going to bring you into, because her stuff is so God-centered. Her words create rip tides of breakthrough that pull you in out of your comfort zone, really change the face of how you think about yourself, how you think about God, how you think about your wealth and everything that you know to be true. So

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Dr. Kayla Lucas: I just know that this at this episode, this conversation, needed to happen. I needed to speak with you. I needed to share you with as many people as possible. So Hi, Victoria!

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Victoria Washington: Let me just pick myself up off the floor, cause that was

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Victoria Washington: the most beautiful introduction, and I feel so blessed to be here. I thank God that he brought us together, and I know we had to reschedule this a couple of times just full transparency, and never once did I

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Victoria Washington: think, to cancel it like it definitely feels like this just had to happen. And I'm very much looking forward to seeing how the Holy Spirit moves and

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Victoria Washington: what fills the room? Because there's going to be some breakthrough for people. So thanks.

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Dr. Kayla Lucas: Absolutely. I I agree with you. I I mean, my husband knows about you. I'm like I'm doing another training with Victoria. He's just like man you talk about this girl like she's your best yet. I'm like I'm making girl my Bestie.

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Victoria Washington: Philosophy. That's right. That's so amazing.

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Dr. Kayla Lucas: People who don't know you. Oh, God! Everybody run and follow! I am Victoria Washington and the house of We. But for people who don't know you at yet who are not in your world like. Please share your backstory and the development of your faith based business of the House of we.

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Victoria Washington: Every time I get asked this question on a podcast I just

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Victoria Washington: let God lead me to where he wants me to start the story because it's so long, and there's many different chapters to it.

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Victoria Washington: I didn't grow up in a household that

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Victoria Washington: created any sort of religious practice or any sort like it did. I wasn't forced to believe anything, and I saw remnants and aspects of Christianity. I saw aspects of Catholics. I went to Catholic school for a year.

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Victoria Washington: who went to public school after that? And then, you know, I ended up falling into new age and found a return to love which I've now discovered is connected to a course of miracles which I no longer.

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Victoria Washington: But that was my 1st introduction to there being

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Victoria Washington: something outside of myself, you know, as a human being, there's something outside of myself, and that's something in I've heard in different iterations with God. And then, of course, and miracles with something else. And so I was getting introduced to the fact that, like, I'm not here

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Victoria Washington: on my own accord, and I think we all can relate with coming to that realization. And then the path we take from there is unique, based off of our background, our lived experiences, and so many things so flash forward to my twenties. I am living in Chicago. I'm in a relationship that is not going well, I'm engaged, and we end up ending our engagement, and I decided to move to San Diego with a 1 way ticket. So I pretty much packed up my whole life into backpacks

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Victoria Washington: and flew across the country with $400 to my name.

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Victoria Washington: and at the time, you know, in your mid twenties that feels like a big quest. That's something that feels brave and bold, and it was in so many ways, but it was also dripping with ignorance and so much oblivion, and I had no idea, like what God was actually about to do with my life with that one flight. And when I got to San Diego I started my quote in air, quotes, if you can't see this business.

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Victoria Washington: And that was really the process of me coming to terms with the fact that money exists.

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Victoria Washington: and I know that sounds a little bit

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Victoria Washington: simple for some people. But when we're working paycheck to paycheck, and just in the corporate world, we're not actually thinking about our relationship with money. We're thinking about time and what time we need to put in to get whatever that paycheck is. So I didn't have this intentional plan or relationship with money.

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Victoria Washington: and then when I started my business, I recognized we need to price things like now I need to. I'm in charge of this, and I had no

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Victoria Washington: boundaries. I had no awareness of what that really meant, so while I was making money, I could never keep it.

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Victoria Washington: and I was always just bare minimum, barely just barely just, barely, and I got very accustomed to that, to the point where I felt proud. By that I used to call myself resourceful. I used to be like, you know, I can make anything work, and we start to wear those things like a badge of honor. But inside I was in pain, and I was surviving, and I was not happy, and I was also just

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Victoria Washington: seeking and obsessed with like finding the answer through all these different spiritual practices that were ultimately leaving me more broke and empty.

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Victoria Washington: and so flash forward about a couple of years into my business. I ended up filing bankruptcy, and that is the start of my testimony of where I finally

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Victoria Washington: got to a place of emptiness where nothing was working, none, none of the spiritual practices, none of the crystals, none of the meditations, none of the none of the hip, no therapies, none of the I mean. I did it all all the things, and nothing was working. Nothing was fulfilling me. It it I was going down an empty road, and when I filed, bankruptcy

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Victoria Washington: was the 1st time I started to turn towards God

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Victoria Washington: and started to discover

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Victoria Washington: that my relationship with money was reflecting my relationship with me and my value, and that at the age of 29. I had no concept of my value.

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Victoria Washington: not just worth, because worth is a very surface level experience, but my value

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Victoria Washington: and feeling, chosen as a high, valuable woman in the world, and knowing how to take that value and produce assets that I could then turn into the resource of money, and no idea of my skills, my high income earning skills. I never spent time discovering those things because I was just in survival and thought that money was something that you use as a method of safety. So I would. I was a user of money.

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Victoria Washington: But I was not a steward

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Victoria Washington: of my skills. I was not a steward of my value, so why would I be a steward of wealth?

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Victoria Washington: And that was a huge wake-up call. It was a big correction that came with a lot of humility, a lot of changes.

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Victoria Washington: and I can't say that immediately. I accepted all of them. You know I strayed away from God. Even after that I was like, Okay, great. Thank you for showing me that big piece of information. But I went back to my rituals, back to my my new age stuff back to the things that were feeding me, the lie that I'm all powerful, that I can be infinite, that I can be unlimited, that if I do this, and I can manifest that that felt better for my well.

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Victoria Washington: And God trying to correct me

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Victoria Washington: and get me to take responsibility.

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Victoria Washington: My lineage for me, for what I was sowing in my soil. And so

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Victoria Washington: throughout that whole time I was going back and forth internally discovering

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Victoria Washington: not just with money, but anything trusted with the gift of speaking trusted with, you know every single person here listening has a gift within them, and you either

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Victoria Washington: are moving that gift into the world in a trustworthy way, or you're being irresponsible with it. And I was being very irresponsible with it. I wasn't respecting the vessel that carried that gift. I wasn't living my life. By the Word of God, I wasn't doing things that were truly

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Victoria Washington: flash forward. I'll get into some celebrations, because there it wasn't all like me on the floor, going back and forth.

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Dr. Kayla Lucas: There was.

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Victoria Washington: 6. There was a 6 figure year right after bankruptcy.

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Victoria Washington: as this is just the grace of God. A 6 figure year right after bankruptcy. And then that went into multiple 6 figures. And within 2 years I hit 7 figures. And this was after my bankruptcy. Lawyer said, this is gonna take a long time for you to recover, and I never believed him. I felt so clear when I was in that courthouse. God showed me

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Victoria Washington: my assignment. God showed me my position. I didn't believe him. Like many of us. Don't. Even Moses, in the beginning of the Bible.

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Victoria Washington: Moses was called to lead the

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Victoria Washington: and the 1st thing he asked God was was trying to convince him for it to not be him.

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Victoria Washington: Like. Why me like? Ca, no, you should. I don't know how to speak, he said. I don't know how to put my words together, he said, and God literally said, Tim, I'm going to show you how to speak. I'm going to teach you how to do this, and then God invited him to bring his brother Erin in, and Erin was going to accompany him and teach him. So when we accept our position from God, we're not just giving up everything and not getting anything.

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Victoria Washington: He's going to teach us. He's going to put people with us. He's going to partner us and position us and give us strategy. So I wrestled a lot with that, because that's very different than what you're going to hear in the self-development in the new age, which is you? Be God.

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Dr. Kayla Lucas: You manifest.

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Victoria Washington: You. You manifest it, you do it. You don't need that. So there is a submission that I had to come to terms with, and that took place over about a year, and as slowly and slowly and slowly and slowly my heart's off my heart.

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Victoria Washington: and my life was changing before my eyes.

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Victoria Washington: and Gus showed me the house of we. I rebelled against that vision, like many of us do when we get the actual assignment, and I presented it as a online course, because I was like, I don't know how to start a membership. I don't know this big. It felt too intimidating to me. So I did it as a course, and nobody signed up. So I'm bringing this new work to life around the body and wealth, and

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Victoria Washington: what the revelation that God gave me, and nobody got it at the time. This was 3 and a half years ago. Nobody in the industry was talking about the nervous system. And all this stuff that we see about regulation is very new. It's now trending. But it was like.

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Victoria Washington: What are you talking about? 3 and a half years ago, and I had, like 2 people sign up. So I ended up doing a private exchange with them.

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Victoria Washington: And then that summer it was very clear that I was going to start the membership, so I reached out to

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Victoria Washington: my assistant at the time was now my business manager, and I said, you know, do you want to help me with this? Like we're going to build a community? I have no idea where this is going, but I just feel like

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Victoria Washington: this is, there's. This is what God is asking me to do. And I want more people to understand that their financial intelligence is directly connected to their body's intelligence, and that God is not actually separate from their relationship with money, that God is the whole point, and we have a whole generation of people chasing money and trying to ritualize and idolize money when that's not even how we're supposed to be

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Victoria Washington: And she's like, yeah, I was like, Okay, cool. And so we opened up the doors, and within 48 h 100 people joined.

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Victoria Washington: and this was my business had never done a volume like that.

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Victoria Washington: 3 and a half years later, 8,000 people later.

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Victoria Washington: 8,000 lineages, later

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Victoria Washington: 44 countries later.

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Victoria Washington: gone through so many renovations. But God's Hannah has always felt on it, and I've always been guided to not leave God out of the conversation there. So while yes, I trigger some people there's been more people than I can count or ever count that have come to me and said.

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Victoria Washington: yes, I came here because I wanted to learn how to manage money, and I wanted to be in a healthier relationship with it and be at more peace.

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Victoria Washington: But I'm walking away, knowing God and feeling like God knows me, and I just thank you, and I'm like, Don't thank me like that's just the beauty of our Creator, and how he reaches people and utilizes people, and never wanted people to remember my name, and never wanted people to walk into the house, and, you know, feel like they're gonna manifest it on 5 seconds.

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Victoria Washington: I wanted them to know the Lord and to know the love of God 1st before the love of money, because the love of money, the Bible says, will leave a grief in your heart, it will empty you to nothing

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Victoria Washington: it's and that's what so many people are caring within them. Is this lust for money? So when we go in there, we break that. And then we do all this other work. And there's so many celebrations and so much success that happens, of course, but it's success that you can keep.

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Victoria Washington: It's success that you can sustain. It's success that doesn't crush you because you've built a foundation of faith which is going to be necessary. If you're truly going to live this life of

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Victoria Washington: stewardship and bringing your gifts to the world, you know money comes with responsibility, which I'm sure we're going to get into, and that's what is missing from the conversation. There's

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Victoria Washington: no resistance between you and money. There's resistance between you and responsibility. So when you come into the house. We address that.

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Victoria Washington: and you widen

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Victoria Washington: and it's just beautiful.

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Dr. Kayla Lucas: It's such a deeper conversation. And when you said earlier how you really didn't have a religious background, I was on the opposite end of that like raised in a super religious family, and I believe that the Church, although, can be good when it is ran by

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Dr. Kayla Lucas: men and people, it can be tainted, and there's a lot of indoctrination. And I left feeling like when I moved out of my parents house I just left feeling like

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Dr. Kayla Lucas: I don't even know who God is, because the God that I've been taught about is punitive is conditional, and everything is a sin. And so through that journey I kinda got off track with God of like, okay in the development of who I am and and always still being tapped in.

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Dr. Kayla Lucas: but never feeling like you have that connectedness and that confidence, and that certainty that there is a spiritual power working within you. And when I started to look at your work because money was a big wound in my house and a big wound in my lineage, and I know I've I've been doing some of your trainings and just really unpacking the covenants that we're keeping, whether that's the covenant of alcoholism or the covenant of doubt and scarcity.

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Dr. Kayla Lucas: And some of these things that you discussed, and it became really apparent to me that holy smokes the wound of money, and the wound of God actually is so tied together, and how that actually translates into the daily habits the beliefs, the things that you're doing in your life. And I know that many people, regardless of where they're at on their spiritual journey, regardless of how wide or how deep it is.

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Dr. Kayla Lucas: There is this sensation that yes, I can do it all by myself, and I think I'm at 34, with 2 children, a 7 and a 5 year old that I wanna model good behavior and good moral code to is realizing, like holy. You know what like. This is actually not the way that God intended the teachings to be, but actually like

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Dr. Kayla Lucas: you said something in your teaching that literally just like stuck out at me like this was my message to receive. It says, if you know who God is, you know how God works, and I want you to just unpack that for a minute. Victoria.

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Victoria Washington: Well, first, st I'll say.

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Victoria Washington: when you mentioned the wound of money and the wound of God. I just want to course, correct that, because

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Victoria Washington: the. It's not the wound of God. It's the wound of man.

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Victoria Washington: And I don't mean like mail, because we can't just

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Victoria Washington: project all the way onto that. It's it's the wound of humanity.

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Dr. Kayla Lucas: Yeah.

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Victoria Washington: You know, and then when we associate that with God, then we run from God. But if I was the enemy, and I was trying to convince all the children of God to be like. Don't go over there. The 1st place that would go is the church.

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Victoria Washington: The 1st thing I would go after is the word. The 1st thing that I would do is you know what I mean? So

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Victoria Washington: that is a story I've heard

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Victoria Washington: so many times, and I

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Victoria Washington: I hate that. I want that to be different. And so the fact that you have felt any sort of restoration

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Victoria Washington: through my testimony, or just the way that I've spoken about God. You know, I just. I just thank Jesus like that's

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Victoria Washington: that's the beauty of the Holy Spirit.

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Victoria Washington: He'll always find you. He never leaves you. That's the beauty of the new covenant that we're in. Okay. So I just wanted to mention that. But

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Victoria Washington: when I was moving from new age into

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Victoria Washington: my relationship with God, and just what I mean by that is letting go of any idols in my life, no longer replacing the Creator with a creation

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Victoria Washington: no longer finding my identity in astrology, no longer finding my identity and human design no, but no longer finding my identity in the world, but my identity being in Christ and finding freedom through that

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Victoria Washington: there was a clear moment of

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Victoria Washington: wrestling which we're all going to do in that path, because you have questions into a lack of trust, like I was constantly confronted with, where? I don't trust God, where I don't trust God with this part of my life, or where I don't trust God with this part of my my business or my finances.

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Victoria Washington: and I heard very clearly the Holy Spirit say, when you know who I am like, really know who I am. You're going to understand how I work.

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Victoria Washington: but you don't know who I am. You haven't spent enough time with me. You're not spending intimate time with me. So what does that look like for me. It means reading the word.

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Victoria Washington: not having someone else read the word to you every Sunday, not having a family. Tell you what the word is, but you personally carving out time to read the word, and before you read it praying, Holy Spirit reach me! God, I'm open to you. I want to know you

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Victoria Washington: understand who you are. I wanna understand how you work, how you love, how you serve, how you shape, how you move, how you breathe through me. I wanna feel that I feel I feel like it's there. I see other people have it. But I'm convincing myself, and I'm letting the enemy convince me that I can't have it. And so I wanna understand that. And when I started to pray into that while I was reading the word, I'm telling you like the word lives.

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Victoria Washington: It's not like you're reading a book from the past. You're reading a living manuscript, a living word that starts to poke at you that starts to do things inside of you.

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Victoria Washington: And what gets uncomfortable is that throughout the word.

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Victoria Washington: And you've seen this in so many testimonies, God never promises convenience.

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Victoria Washington: He never promises certainty.

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Victoria Washington: But our faith does.

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Victoria Washington: So where people run into a little bit of an issue is, they're like, Okay, I'm reading the word. I'm understanding how who God is, and God's pretty inconvenient.

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Victoria Washington: yeah, I'm attached to that. I don't want to stop drinking. I love to party. I love to dress like that. I love to use my body that way. I like to treat that this way, like those are things that I like, and so when we're not

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Victoria Washington: humble enough to understand that God's ways are above our ways. We're talking about the Creator of the of

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Victoria Washington: of the heavens and the earth. We're talking about a Creator, who everything we see was created in 6 days.

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Victoria Washington: Tell me that God's ways are not above your ways like, why, why would your way and your way of thinking and your way of living be more than the holiest one like than the one.

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Victoria Washington: And when we start to be humble enough in our humanity to see that we recognize that we actually need God, that we are limited beings. We're limited creations.

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Victoria Washington: And I started to understand, okay. So now that I know who God is like, God is an all-loving.

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Victoria Washington: how he works is. He's going to move me for his will and for his glory.

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Victoria Washington: which means I'm gonna have to confront every part of me that wants to be in charge that wants to be the one that moves it, that has to do it themselves that is attached to these worldly things. And that is our relationship. That's our process. It doesn't just happen overnight where you snap your fingers. And then.

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Victoria Washington: okay. I'm gonna follow everything that God says. God already knows you're gonna resist. You're going to have these moments. And so how God works is. He will deliver people. We see stories of that in the word. What did what did he do with Moses? Here's your brother.

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Victoria Washington: Here's a brother that's going to walk with you. What did he do for the Israelites? He created a path out of the wilderness.

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Victoria Washington: He created water out of wine like when you read the word, you see how God works. Oh, that's how he works. He delivers miracles. He

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Victoria Washington: he saves, he moves, he changes things. So that's what I mean by that.

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Victoria Washington: And for some people, what I'm saying is gonna create a lot of anger in them.

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Victoria Washington: For some people they're going to feel relief. And for some people they're going to feel curious. So whatever you're experiencing in your body just know that

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Dr. Kayla Lucas: not your smallness, but your own greatness, and how you could be utilized for the greater good of humanity, and I think that people in general like, if you, if you ask most people like, would you want more worldly peace? Would you want to feel more fulfilled in your life? Would you want to have more passion and purpose? Most people would say, resounding, yes, but I think the challenging part that comes in is the work and the responsibility. And I kinda wanna talk about that a little bit like

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Dr. Kayla Lucas: I know that you've taught this a lot in the house of We, and this is a continuation of your of your work.

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Dr. Kayla Lucas: But why is responsibility generally the resistance to either where we want to get to financially or just where we want to get to. As a person.

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Victoria Washington: Because Mo. Many of us grew up in a household where we were responsible for more than we should have been early on, or we've walked a path that we had no business walking, but that's just that was the circumstance at the time. And so you put a person who's had to bear more than they felt ready, for they felt like they could.

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Victoria Washington: There's bound to be a rebellion of I don't sleep me long. I don't wanna do that. I don't wanna be responsible for anything. I don't. Wanna. I I've already put in my hours of responsibility and it hurt. And so we start to have this cross wiring of responsibility equals pressure. It equals contraction. And

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Victoria Washington: Money doesn't require all these tips and tricks and magnetisms and attractions. It requires a responsible steward, and when you are in the the realm of survival, like your nervous system is in survival mode, or you're pushing away responsibility or feeling like you're under pressure. You can't make money making decisions

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Victoria Washington: Then somebody who looks at responsibility as an honor that feels expanded by the responsibility that doesn't subscribe to pressure. I'm going to make

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Victoria Washington: 1 million dollar decisions, $1,000 decisions, hundreds and thousands of dollars decisions. Do you see the difference? So I'm not here to teach you how to pull money out of thin air. I'm here to show you that there's a character that must be developed

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Victoria Washington: that, like we missed that step. There wasn't like any. Okay, we're gonna start to slowly drip responsibility to you. Are you ready? No, for most people. It was like, we're moving. Let's go.

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Victoria Washington: They're gone. Figure it out like, that's what most people heard. And then they're like, okay, let me adjust to that.

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Victoria Washington: And now let me carry the weight of that. So when I'm working with a client, or if you've been in the house. We break that down very deeply, and we start to change and and shift the way you're looking at responsibility and the way that you're holding your current responsibilities. So you go from pushing that away to actually welcoming more of that. And then money becomes safe with you because you feel safe with you.

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Dr. Kayla Lucas: Yeah, I love that so much. And what came to mind there was that when you said, like the body, like, I think that your your body has so much wisdom, and how you said like we weren't talking about the nervous system stuff. This is very new age.

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Dr. Kayla Lucas: but your conversation that you had. I I took your training in January, and one of the biggest takeaways was body leads, mind follows, and all the time my pull is to let my mind go go, go, go. And I think this is probably a a really big component for many people is that we want our minds to kind of figure it all out, and and and reach for more, and find the next thing, and do that next. You know, whatever it might be

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Dr. Kayla Lucas: that we really forget to tap into our body, and I know that a big part of the house of we, the house of wealth embodiment, takes you through money mapping in your own nervous system, and even if we don't go through a money mapping, I just want you to describe what money mapping is in the body, so that people have an awareness of what that actually means, and how that can start to direct.

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Dr. Kayla Lucas: how you pursue your career, how you pursue your relationships, your money relationships, your personal, your professional things, like all of that kind of getting enveloped inside of obviously the Word of God, too.

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Victoria Washington: So money mapping is the practice of experimenting with different sensations.

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Victoria Washington: If you're listening right now, and you're a notetaker, I want you to write down that more money equals more sensation.

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Victoria Washington: and if you think about it, the sensation of receiving $5,000 is drastically different than the sensation of receiving $100,000.

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Victoria Washington: So different amounts of money come with different layers of sensation. So more money is not a problem unless sensation is a problem for you.

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Victoria Washington: and what I've noticed across the 8,000 people that I've worked with, how much I've studied this. I've watched thousands of bodies at this point.

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Victoria Washington: And when you're making a lot of money, people think like, Okay, that's when I'm going to be free. That's when I'm going to be at peace.

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Victoria Washington: there's so much sensation making decisions to transfer 50 K making decisions to what to invest in, how to do this taxes. There's a lot of sensation that comes with now being responsible for bigger money decisions that most people are just simply resistant to the baseline sensation that we can usually handle is like a little bit of receptivity, sometimes compliment here or there.

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Victoria Washington: so money mapping wakes up the sensations within the body, and rather than sit there and say, like, Okay, I'm going to manifest $10,000, or I want to set a goal for this amount of money we look at. Okay, what's the sensation? And what if we exposed your nervous system to that sensation?

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Victoria Washington: So you actually widened and opened to that. And then you're making decisions with the now familiarity of that sensation which byproduct I've seen. Wow! I just made a sale. Oh, my gosh! Had my highest month. I'm like, I'm not surprised, because now you're more comfortable with sensation. You know how to hold more tension. You know how to hold more responsibility. So a bigger client, a bigger paycheck, a bigger income no longer threatens you.

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Victoria Washington: So we use a a blend of sound. We use a blend of our own voices, because God says, when we speak, things happen like there's something physically that happens when we speak. Our voice is very, very, very, very important and familiarizing your body with your own voice is essential because your voice is a currency.

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Victoria Washington: it has its own currency, and it can bring things into form. So when we're speaking, we're not just saying affirmations like I am. I am. I am. That's self.

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Victoria Washington: We are speaking and praying into the development of our character. It's not God I'm I like, help me make more money. Help me do more. This. It's God develop my character, such that I am responsible for more resources in this lifetime.

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Victoria Washington: My character is either ready for it or it's not. And so the words I choose and the the things that I have us say, are moving in that direction.

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Dr. Kayla Lucas: obviously higher awareness. But greater possibility, I think, is what it personally left me with of like, I put my own limitations on myself, and maybe not just from an income perspective, but just limitations. And what I think is possible, and what I think is going to be received. Well, cause I think, that especially for women, we really have a challenging time to not give

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Dr. Kayla Lucas: a hell what anybody thinks of us. Right? You said some of my stuff is triggering. People are gonna feel curious. They're gonna feel mad. They're gonna feel relieved. I think it's like this concept, too, that

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Dr. Kayla Lucas: the money mapping side of it, and just actually feeling the sensations of your body is not taught to us as children, and if it is, you're just one of those lucky few whose parents were probably hippies and just knew lots of stuff right? But for most of us we were really, we're really kind of told and and demonstrated to suppress.

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Dr. Kayla Lucas: and I see it so much as a chiropractor is like the suppression of our emotions and our fears, and the things that we either want or don't want, they start to manifest physically, and if we are, don't have a physical attunement to our bodies. This is what we call it in our practice. We call people neck down, dead, like they're just. They're walking around, and they're not necessarily like available for what is wanting to come into their life. They're not

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Dr. Kayla Lucas: able to make those decisions like you said they're just. They're not. They're not on. They're not attuned to themselves. So I've really appreciated the money mapping because I felt like it has been something that's been so wildly out of my comfort zone, and so wildly outside of anything I've ever been taught. But it left me with this sensation of possibility and actual truth. Right? So

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Dr. Kayla Lucas: I'm so glad that you touched on that one of the one of the ways that I actually ended up getting a little bit more involved in your world. Victoria was through your wealth archetypes, and many people are gonna wanna know what those 2 terms mean. So please talk about your 3 wealth archetypes. And if people wanna know more about how they are already stewarding money or not stewarding money, and what that means.

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Victoria Washington: So what we do in the house of we is, yes, we work with the body, and we prioritize the body because the body's intelligence, like, I said, will lead to our financial intelligence because the body plays a huge role in our decision making, which is essential for our relationship with money. And when I was studying and bringing this work to life.

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Victoria Washington: these archetypes came through that started to present themselves in humanity. And this is based off of attachment style theory, which is really well known. So I'll go over the archetypes and I'll go over the attachment styles that are connected to each. So essentially or actually, I'll flip that I'll start with the attachment styles, and then we'll connect those to the wealth archetypes.

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Victoria Washington: So there's 3 attachment styles with money, and we have all 3 of these existing within us. The goal is not to heal all 3 of these. The goal is to learn how to mature all 3 of these. So architect, the attachment style number one is the spender which

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Victoria Washington: 90% of people are going to resonate with. This is somebody who is not actually afraid of money, but they're afraid of having money. They're afraid of the responsibility of money. So they spend because that feels more comfortable than keeping it. They're usually the person that is very much so living in bare minimum behavior, and they have a rebellion to money. They don't wanna need it.

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Victoria Washington: But then they have these things that they wanna receive through it. So they become users of money, and they have all these needs, and they get their safety, and they get their their charm and their looks, and they get all these things fulfilled by using money. But it doesn't actually land as an integrated feeling or sense. So most of my spenders, their biggest breakthrough is not necessarily spending less. It's learning how to become responsible for more.

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Victoria Washington: It's having a larger vision that is bigger than just themselves, and once they do that, they elevate and mature into their wealth archetype, which is the holy circulator. And there's somebody who doesn't use money for their own sense of safety. They circulate money through the economy and life, giving ways. So holy circulators are my favorite, because they actually bring the economy to life.

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Victoria Washington: I'm no longer spending. I'm investing and circulating. So there's actual fruit. There's actual life. There's things that are produced. There's results. There's integrity, there's responsibility there. So the spender has to resolve any shame. The fear that they're gonna be judged. They have to forgive themselves for being irresponsible stewards in the past.

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Victoria Washington: I file bankruptcy. I was a spender. So me now I've never been somebody that's going to be like I'm gonna get a house and settle down. That's not healing your relationship with money. That's just slapping something on top of it. My wealth archetype is the holy circulator. I'm always gonna wanna move. And I want money to move with me. I'm always gonna circulate in these new and fresh life giving ways.

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Victoria Washington: We laugh with my bookkeeper all the time, because she's the second attachment style. She's the hoarder, and the hoarder is actually the holy stabilizer. So her decision making is completely different than mine. I'll buy a 1st class ticket, and you know

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Victoria Washington: That's just like it's 2. Both are beautiful, both express in different ways.

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Victoria Washington: from a place of wholeness and from a state of care and responsibility. They don't feel shame for those anymore. They know that they are investing. They are circulating money in these life, giving ways, and they have to have a bigger financial vision.

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Victoria Washington: The second one is, the hoarder will go to that direction because we were just there. The hoarder is somebody that

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Victoria Washington: typically grew up in a household where money was either there, or it wasn't, and they didn't know when that was going to be. So I personally grew up in a household where

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Victoria Washington: Oh, now we're moving, or we're going to this. At 1 point we're in a women's shelter. I was like, how do we get here we were in a house just now. So there is this inconsistency. And I decided the problem was money, and so I don't want anything to do with that, but I know that I need it. So when it's here, I'm going to hoard it because it could be the last that I see it. So most quarters are like, I'm going to not build a bank account. I'm gonna build a prison for my money. I don't want to touch it. Nobody look at it.

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Victoria Washington: don't even breathe on it because it could disappear. So they have this doom and this apocalyptic relationship with money that

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Victoria Washington: we're safe with them, and that money could never be their source of providership and safety, that they have to find that within themselves, and they have to be in relationship with money through the lens of it's safe for it to move. It's safe for it to multiply.

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Victoria Washington: It's safer it to be bigger, and that it's going to change. So they start to let go of their attachment, of needing to know every single little thing, and they start to have more freedom and peace in their relationship with money, they start to treat themselves and diversify their investments, and allow money to breathe, because they can now breathe.

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Victoria Washington: Then the last one is the second most popular, which is the avoider. The avoider is somebody that

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Victoria Washington: it's like dating that guy. That would be such a good boyfriend. But they're just too afraid to text you back.

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Victoria Washington: It's like, you see, all the potential. But they just don't know how to pick up the phone and do the thing with their fingers where they text you back. And they say, like, I want a relationship. I want a relationship. But within a week they're just like I can't handle this

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Victoria Washington: So they push it away. They act like finances don't exist. Most of them are too cool for money. They're too cool to care.

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Victoria Washington: and they're also broke. And so they mature into.

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Victoria Washington: or they have a lot of money. But they don't steward it responsibly, because they're in and out with their relationship with money. 1 min they're obsessed with their bank account the next minute they're like, Oh, yeah, I have a bank account. Money just happens to be there. They kind of live like that. So when they mature into the financial, catalyst

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Victoria Washington: will make some of the most powerful money moves on the planet. They're catalyzers when it's it's the same analogy of seeing that same person who is afraid of that relationship. What a gift it is to watch their heart open. They're like

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Victoria Washington: they're just the best. It's like, wow! I always knew you could love like this, and it's the best to see them finally arrive same thing when they mature into a financial catalyst.

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Victoria Washington: The things they do with money are so giving. They build relationships. They pave paths for other people. They're no longer afraid of being seen. They're visible in the world, and they allow

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Victoria Washington: all, like all these communities, to surround them and benefit from their great work.

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Victoria Washington: and they finally feel fulfilled because they're no longer afraid of being in relationships.

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Victoria Washington: and they recognize that their money is truly only as prosperous as their relationships are.

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Victoria Washington: So the focus goes from, how am I going to make more money to? How am I going to build with more people?

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Victoria Washington: And it's a completely different narrative that they create for their lineage and for themselves.

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Dr. Kayla Lucas: Oh, that's such deep work. And if people are a little bit more curious about those archetypes, you can definitely take the quiz on Victoria's website. We'll leave all that information in the show notes

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Dr. Kayla Lucas: I as you're going through them, I'm like, Oh, that's my dad. That's my mom.

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Dr. Kayla Lucas: Right? You like, actually recognize those patterns. So yeah, you do. I. I know that you're you're very well versed in in changing the money lineage.

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Dr. Kayla Lucas: but, like what does healing your own trauma and your own wounds with money, do for the people your legacy, but also your lineage.

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Victoria Washington: and nothing was working for me. I was getting very, very frustrated, and I kept investing in these things, and like nothing, was actually penetrating. What I felt was wasn't really even mine, and I remember sitting in my living room, I was watching another like money subconscious training. And at this point I'm learning about like quantum science subconscious. I'm like, how did I get here? I just need cash.

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Victoria Washington: in my lineage of agreements that people either made subconsciously or unconsciously, that was keeping them in the bondage of scarcity and the bondage of lack and the bondage of lust for certain things, or stepping out of integrity. You know it's not just the bondage of scarcity, but somebody who has alcoholism.

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Victoria Washington: You think there's integrity being passed down. All of those are required in a fruitful relationship with money and and stewardship. So we have to open up the conversation. It's not just about the cash. We don't just pass down houses and assets. We pass down sensations through our bloodline we pass down agreements that were made. We pass down different patterns and behaviors around

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Victoria Washington: and that changed my entire life. It changed my entire approach, and I no longer approached money through the mind. I approached it through the bloodline, because if it lives in your body.

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Victoria Washington: Now you're opening up a new pathway for whoever's going to come after you. So when I do this work, I'm thinking about my sister.

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Victoria Washington: forget what happened you? I'm doing a new thing. Will you perceive it? I'm going to make a way in the wilderness, the wilderness of your past. I'm going to make streams in the wasteland, the wasteland all these different parts of ourself that we're ashamed of, that we think are too broken for God to use different parts of our lineage, different parts of our past. That's like, will you perceive it?

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Victoria Washington: You're not going to heal it by going back and talking to all these people in the past. You're going to heal it by spending more time with me in the present, because in the present I will make you new.

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Victoria Washington: and the bloodline will feel it. I've watched it for the last 3 and a half years.

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Dr. Kayla Lucas: Yeah, I think I started to do this work in January, and you had. There was I think it was the 5 days of wealth embodiment, and it said, you had to dedicate this. Yeah, it was so good you had to dedicate this training to one person in your life immediately. Obviously someone very special comes came to my mind.

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Dr. Kayla Lucas: And it also gave me this freedom in a sense of like, okay, this was that time. And now this is my time. And I think that that was like the beautiful point of it. And and really it is such a deeper why, why would I heal my money wounds? Why would I go back into my past? Why would I look at the traditions of my family that are maybe great and also harmful? Why would I do this work, because it's actually so hard

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Dr. Kayla Lucas: the big point of this conversation is really to get people to not buy in but buy into themselves like, what do you want for your life? How do you wanna feel? What do you wanna leave? And I think that that's why your your messaging is so so unique and so powerful because it really helps you develop your own character and transform your own life. So I love. I mean. I just love it all, Victoria, if you haven't gathered.

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Victoria Washington: it's very, very good to know that so many people are in it, and the works gotten so much bigger. You know I can't individually speak with people. So when you say, you know, I found 5 days of we, and it shifted this like

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Victoria Washington: important and valuable it is that you have placed your trust in this work like I take it so seriously, and I take the trust to my heart because

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Victoria Washington: So when you say that it's it's such a gift. It really is a moment of me, you know, grounding and being like Wow!

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Dr. Kayla Lucas: So let's talk about the plan. Because I think for many people. How do you know if you're actually following God's plan? If people have an openness to that in their mind. I wanna follow a plan. Is this your will God versus their own plan, like, how do we know? How can we get grounded in really

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Victoria Washington: That's a great question. I'm gonna give 3 options.

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Victoria Washington: And all of them have difficulties. But there's varying difficulties.

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Victoria Washington: that's never going to be a thing. So we have to let that go. God rarely ever reveals the full plan to the passenger.

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Victoria Washington: So God's like, I'm going to give you parts of the plan, or I'll give you pieces of it. But I'm rarely going to give you the full thing because you crazy and you human. You go start driving his car.

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Victoria Washington: for anybody here. That is a believer. Maybe there's somebody listening that that knows the Gospel.

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Victoria Washington: You know that the Holy Spirit is an integral part of your relationship with God. The Holy spirit is what is in you and is your guide in your access point. And so when you're in the world, you're not listening to the world. You're listening to the Holy Spirit. God has left His Spirit in us through Christ. So that's important to remember for what I'm about to say. I just wanna

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Victoria Washington: anything. You've made an idol because you think that God's not there. Anything that you've made a god in your life because you're afraid that the real thing doesn't know you.

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Victoria Washington: I would fast and remove those and stop replacing the Creator of the universe with a creation.

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Victoria Washington: simply won't come to you the other way, because you're getting an answer from something that isn't God. So God's plan is not there, and you'll feel it. I can't describe it with words, but you will feel the difference. There will be a

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Victoria Washington: If I don't care if anyone sees it, no one reads the book and no one read the post. And if no one

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Victoria Washington: All I care is that what I'm saying right now? He is

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Victoria Washington: my relationship with him. Everything else is extra. If I was sitting on this podcast and like okay, I need her to like me. I don't want offend that person.

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Victoria Washington: I don't. I don't know. That's not me living in God's will. That's me living for the world. So your thoughts will always tell you.

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Victoria Washington: because there's peace in. Do you feel the peace after I said that statement? I don't know. I felt it.

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Victoria Washington: getting to understand God's word, because it's very, very difficult to hear from someone when you never, when you don't know what they sound like.

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Victoria Washington: So if you're somebody who consistently hears from other spirits, or you're always going to. Let's say cards, or you're worshiping other gods like you're going to know that God's voice.

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Victoria Washington: if you've never read God's Word, or you've never fasted from those things to simply hear the Holy Spirit. You've never listened to worship music, or you've never read the Gospel.

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Victoria Washington: So when people say like, How do I know. How do I know I'm like? Go read his word.

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Victoria Washington: And then you a familiarity like, if we talked on the phone every day religiously.

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Victoria Washington: And a lot of people are talking to the counterfeit. They don't know it.

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Dr. Kayla Lucas: So if people are like, there's gonna be a a host of people that are like, Yes, Bible love it for people who are like. I don't know if I'm ready to go right there right now. Do you have any any books or resources that you found helpful on your own journey that maybe people can start to dip their toes in cause. I I know this work with God and and just for me personally like. Listen to the gospel my whole life through someone else speaking it to me.

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Dr. Kayla Lucas: If it feels hard to go back to it, if it not, maybe not to the Gospel itself, but it feels hard to feel a sense of connectedness to the Bible, and I know that that's something. Obviously my own work needs to do. But I know there's gonna be people who are kind of in this range of like Bible only, and like, what else can I do.

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Victoria Washington: For sure I feel that cause that was terrified of the Bible.

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Victoria Washington: You can fast from anything. But remember, you're not fasting from something you're fasting for someone. And I was like who he said, God.

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Victoria Washington: in that 40 day fast. I don't know why, but I was. I picked up Mary Magdalene's Gospel.

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Victoria Washington: And I was like, Well, where do I learn about Jesus like whatever she's doing, like. I want that.

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Victoria Washington: And guess where you go. You go to the Bible. So that's how I started reading it. I was like, well.

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Victoria Washington: And I was being tormented at the time. As I was moving through sobriety, I was

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Victoria Washington: this is where it is. This is where actual Jesus is talked about. So I started to read the Gospel, and it changed

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Victoria Washington: But if that's feeling still a lot, I resonate and I get it, and I empathize. I would start with a devotional.

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Victoria Washington: I have a couple that I'll give you to link that I really love and enjoy from teachers that I trust, and that spread the word in a really powerful, integrous way

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Victoria Washington: that isn't dripping with shame. I won't say it's going to be easy to hear. I can't promise that. I can't promise that it's not going to ask you to do things that you might not be ready to let go of or move away from. But what I can promise you is, there's a sense of peace and freedom that nothing

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Victoria Washington: tell you to do it. So here there's devotionals that you can start with, and the reason why I like starting with devotionals is it gives you some context before you read the word. So it's almost like, if I were to say, Hey, go see the challengers movie. But you hate tennis

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Victoria Washington: I would have you get give you a little bit of context so that you can understand. And then you go watch the movie, and you'd have just a little bit of stuff to work with. So you're not feeling like this thing's trying to

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Victoria Washington: trying to take me and bind me to something, or like, you know, all this, the religious stuff that we have to move through. So the devotional is beautiful for a beginner

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Victoria Washington: Those are great, and you can do one a day for 30 days you could do one a day for 60 days. They're sensational, and I'll give you some of my favorite ones that I still use.

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Dr. Kayla Lucas: Okay, put it, we'll make sure. We'll make sure that we put that all in the show notes for people. Just so that, like the resources that Victoria has gone over today.

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Dr. Kayla Lucas: I am so grateful and just moved by this conversation, you know. Is there a Scripture reading that you would like to share with the audience that may help them grow closer to God with their development of their character and their own transformation.

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Dr. Kayla Lucas: or any other tidbits that you want to share. Victorian putting you on the spot.

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Victoria Washington: No, I'm loving that. I think the face you're seeing is a face of an answered prayer. That's what you're seeing.

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Dr. Kayla Lucas: Okay. Good.

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Victoria Washington: As

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Victoria Washington: and I might get emotional.

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Victoria Washington: I get on a lot of podcasts

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Victoria Washington: and so afraid to bring it to their communities or bring it in. So you just asking that straight out, like

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Victoria Washington: put me in platforms where I can freely express that where there's space for conversation and questions, where we're not forcing Faith down people's throats. But we're just sharing our testimonies and being open and giving people options of what that looks like. So for you to ask me just to share a Scripture like. Usually I have to hide that, or I have feel like I should, or I feel like they want to ask me that, but they're afraid, and there's just so much

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Victoria Washington: beautiful. I'll read Ephesians.

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Dr. Kayla Lucas: Don't lie. There's definitely some fear in me that's like this podcast episode. But you know what there was also like a lot of joy, a lot of

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Dr. Kayla Lucas: like gen genuine excitement I was vibrating on before I even jumped on the call with you. I told my Va. I was just like, girl. I can't wait for this conversation, so I know that through the fear and and maybe through some of the judgment that we can worry about on the other side of that I I really do believe that that actually cultivates a relationship with yourself and with God that is unique.

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Dr. Kayla Lucas: that is embodied in your own experience. So, girl, you read, and you share.

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Victoria Washington: Grab real quick.

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Dr. Kayla Lucas: She's literally getting up to get it. I love this.

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Victoria Washington: Here. No, I read this prayer every morning.

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Victoria Washington: and it's in Ephesians and Ephesians. If you even just want a book that from the Bible that feel that is love. I mean, it's love. Ephesians is beautiful.

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Victoria Washington: but this is a prayer for the Ephesians, and whenever I read this.

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Victoria Washington: The world says that money is the root of all evil.

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Victoria Washington: but really, the love of money is the root of all evil. So it's okay to desire money. It's okay to be stewarding money. It's okay to do those things, but when we have a love for that above the love of God which we are susceptible to, I know I've been in that before. That's when we start to feel these grief, this grief of the heart. So this prayer is just a reminder of where to establish your love, and it says in verse 14.

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Victoria Washington: For this reason I kneel before the Father, from whom every family in heaven and on earth derives its name, and I pray that out of His glorious riches, he may strengthen you with power through His Spirit and your inner being, so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith.

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Victoria Washington: and I pray that you, being rooted and established in love, may have power, together with all the Lord's holy people, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ, and to know that this love surpasses knowledge, and that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God.

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Dr. Kayla Lucas: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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Victoria Washington: Thank you. Queen.

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Dr. Kayla Lucas: Victoria. This has been one of the most empowering, I think, conversations I've ever had.

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Dr. Kayla Lucas: Thank you so much for.

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Dr. Kayla Lucas: Being here today.

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Dr. Kayla Lucas: Thank you. I love you.

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Victoria Washington: And studio.

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Dr. Kayla Lucas: Thanks, so.

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Victoria Washington: Should we hug like.

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Dr. Kayla Lucas: Yeah.

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Victoria Washington: Yeah, but.

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Dr. Kayla Lucas: I honestly am just. I'm so excited for for the podcast to even air and people to hear the conversation and the quality of

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Dr. Kayla Lucas: of what you're bringing forward and what you're kind of working to do, and I'm just so excited to watch you. I'm so excited to be a follower of the house of we, and just help people kind of establish even a greater sense of who they wanna be with God, and how they wanna contribute and how they wanna receive. So thank you. So so much, for today I have enjoyed every moment.

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Victoria Washington: Thank you for having me.

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Dr. Kayla Lucas: Okay, I'm gonna hit, stop.