Meet Josy, the four time mama who chose to birth in the ocean! Hear her story and insight around water birth, emotional and physical birth preparation, and the importance of our connection to intuition.
Connect with Josy more personally here:
https://instagram.com/raggapunzel?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
Meet Josy, the four time mama who chose to birth in the ocean! Hear her story and insight around water birth, emotional and physical birth preparation, and the importance of our connection to intuition.
Connect with Josy more personally here:
https://instagram.com/raggapunzel?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
Hello everyone and welcome to Women of the Wild. Today we're speaking with Josie. She and her family live in Nicaragua and she made the beautifully empowering choice to birth her baby in the ocean. I am so excited to get to know you, Josie, and so excited to hear your story. I'd love for you to go ahead and introduce yourself and take the floor whenever you're ready. So thank you for inviting me. I'm totally honored to come to your podcast. And so, yeah, it's me, it's Josie. I'm 37 years old and I gave birth in the ocean for my last baby last year. Uh, it was baby number four and also the birth before from baby number three wasn't first, but at home in the bath and baby number two was also at home in. After the first baby traumatic and clinic, hospital thing and all the diagnosis were very powerful. That was the beginning of my journey to becoming a free birthing mom. The first baby is now 10 years old. It's my only daughter, and the pregnancy was like not, not now, because the last pregnancy was without any diagnosis or some medical things I make all by myself. And the first pregnancy was like, like the most women get help pencil. I make all ultrasounds and all what the doctor's saying, and the ultrasound says, oh, the baby get a, uh, bad heart, heart disease. And also, I'm not sure the, the German word is muid. It's a. Very difficult lung disease, you can die and you need a transplantation, and so my plan to give birth in a birthing center was not possible. So I have to go to the hospital and the whole pregnancy was a horrible story. You can imagine because there are somebody and tell you your baby would be dying. But my feeling every time, my feeling was like I'm, I was alone. I was a single mom. I have no family, no support, nothing. I just, just me and pregnant and baby belly and you're thinking about every time I was by myself at home alone. I'm often stand before my mirror and I'm thinking about and talking to my baby and I see by myself, no, everything is good. My baby don't give me some signs or inner voices and. There's something wrong. I never had the feeling inside of me. And then my daughter was born and everything is good. Every, again, she's totally healthy. There was nothing but the whole pregnancy was horror story, and then I was totally sure for myself when I ever get pregnant. Nothing like that. I do nothing like that. I often tell, tell women when they come to me and they wanna support their birthing stories and all the stories before, and they wanna talk about their experiences, and then they're thinking about, mm, Josie, can you tell me, should I go to one ultrasound? What should I do? And then I asked them, when all women, when we have our period, Everybody from us, every one of their own. She knows what she has to do. Lying in bed. What? What do you want to eat? What? It's good for you, everyone from ourselves. We know what we have to do for us to feeling good when we have our period. Nobody, no women. Go to the doctor and ask. I have my period. Can you tell me what I have to do? What I have to use for, for tools? What, how I go to the toilet? How align to bed? Should I go? Go a go the warm bed, or should I go take a cold shower or nobody do that? Why? Because we know what It's good for us. What is good for me? Tell me what is good for my heart, from my soul. Why we are so disconnected when we get pregnant. Because on this point, when we get. Everybody in the outside wanna tell us what we have to do. Why no, everything instead to control us. It's control. You connected woman from their potential. What she, what she get when she gets pregnant. Yeah. You have more than less 40 weeks to prepare to look inside yourselves. What is coming out? All the scary things. Some doubts, whatever. Maybe all the birthings you give before, there are things what you want and what you want, not, you know so much more. And all women, every woman should get supported on this journey. Yeah. And it's not, it can't be the truth that just the doctor have to tell you what you have to do. It's not possible that that can't be the way to giving birth. We are we women. Corner for every soul on Earth. Yeah. Women and men are born because of women, so nobody can say us, but we have to two to give birth. Yeah. Last, yesterday I saw a question in one group and mom was asking what I need for a home birth, and I gave the answer a home and giving birth. Ben, what? You don't need a bigness. I feel like a lot of moms with their first time babies. It's, it is. It's a very fear-based process in our world today of all of these outside voices coming in and saying, this is what you need. This is what you're supposed to do. If you don't do it this way, you're a bad mom. You're a bad person. It's a very difficult thing to take a stand. And then when you do well, what do you do now? What do you need? What should I know? You know, and I tell almost the same thing with the, the women that I work. You just need your own, your connection to yourself and your body and your baby. And you trust your placenta? Yes. Nothing more. Yes. It's just nothing. Just, it's just giving birth. Not, it's not the, the dangerous moment in our life. It's not because birth is safe. But they make us feel it's a dangerous moment in our lives. It's not. There are a lot of studies for every people. They meet numbers, inspect, and studies and everything. There are a lot of studies that home birth is safer than hospital birth because all the inductions and all the manipulating things and sabotaging and disturbing birthers are. Situations, we are totally sure that, yeah, you need a C-section when the baby is not with bottom or or head down. Yeah. Then it's not possible. And also when the placenta really, I mean really not in week 20 when the doctor says Your placenta closed the door. It's not. In week 20, nobody can tell you your placenta is closing the door. What is, what's wrong? I heard a lot of moms, they tell me, oh, Josie, I want to support me, but the doctor says In week 18, my placenta is not possible. And then I'm thinking about. In week 18, when a doctor tells you you have placenta previa, it's not what, what for diagnosed, you have more than 20 week that the placenta's growing up. How can a stranger know more about your vagina than yourself? How is that possible? So I'm curious, and I'm sure a lot of other moms are curious too. How did you prepare? For your experience of giving birth to your fourth child, you know, like how did you connect with your intuition and what were your tools that you've used? First of all, I'm looking at myself to all make the reflection because of my own. What is the picture in my mind about giving birth? What I get from my mom? Yeah. And I was totally sure today I know that is what, not a good picture because my own. My mom tell me the whole story, my whole life. And it was also traumatic, horrible birth. And the unbuilding, the, I'm so sorry. Unbuilding. The cord was, it was erupted though. My birth was a really whole story. You can imagine. And my and my mom need an operation because all the blood and you know, it was an emergency and that was all what I hear. Birth is emergency. Maybe you're dying and you're thinking about, oh my God, that is a picture in my mind. And also Hollywood. Hollywood make out the worst picture. We can get everybody behind in, in, in films. And there are one woman laying on, on their bag, white open legs and si strangers with masks and white clothes. You're thinking about, oh my God. And then I was working a lot of myself on my mind. I stopped to hear the horror stories. I just. Put, put all my power in the story, then I, it's, it's a point of love attract. I just read and see and hear the stories. What I imagine for my birth story, just the positive things because all what you're thinking makes energy and then you get what you make energy in. So I never, when I decided for the second baby, I gave home birth, I never had plan B. I never do. I also, in the travel month thing, I never had pharmacy by with me for the kids because I don't want that to get sick, you know? Yeah. So I don't prepare that because when you prepare something you need that no mom need with four children, vomiting and diarrhea, because, so I don't prepare that because nobody want it. Yeah. That we have to, it's, it's, yeah. And every mom knows when you prepare on journey, on, on holiday, Vomit thing in diarrhea. You get it. It's interesting too that you say preparing for being sick, you know, like a lot of children, when they're going to the hospital, a child is going into this incredibly sterile environment, yet then they come whole to over old, you know, we live in our whole pets, we have plants, we have all of the things, and so all of a sudden the kid has, you know, ear infections and they're getting sick and they have rashes, and they have all of these things they're born at their ability to, you know, build up their immune jump and already like on the top totally, totally right, Jenny, because nobody tells you. Everybody knows it, but nobody tells you. Your baby inside. Your mom heads the same antigens and the immune system like you, and they know all the bacteria at home assistant antibiotic bacteria. The hospital has to be. And the hospital is thinking that the mom is the biggest infection problem for the baby. Yeah. The mom and hospital giving birth. And they have to disinfect it her hands before touching their baby. Correct. What is wrong in the system? That makes sense That you know the baby would have the immune system that you have been helping it build up all of this. Born right into the environment of that, that's the safe, most secure place. Them to continue building this strong buddy, you know? And I, Lacey, my little girl now, she's 10 months old next week and she's not this once, you know? Oh, there's something to it. Yeah, there is. There is so much more. Yeah. Also that the water thing is, I dreamed also by the first baby. I make water birthing. Like then I was totally all interventions and I get an, you know, the ID and everything and I just thinking about the whole birth, I would die and everybody's look at me and don't help me. And so was the second was water birth and water births make so much more benefit to the mother. To the baby, and nobody share because water births birds is that. No inductions. You need no induction, nothing. Interventions, inductions and inductions is maybe the the wrong word. I mean interventions and so and so. Nobody wanted, and nobody supported because the hospital can't make money when a woman decide to give further water because you don't need medication for all the pain because the water make all that. Yeah. The birth is so much shorter. The bus is so much shorter in water, so much relaxer for the baby and the mother and everybody tells you, oh, your water breaks, you can't make water. Yeah, there is meconium and water. You can't make water breaks. You have diabetes or you have blood pressure or something else, all that, or Cesarean, you haven't cesarean. You can't make water births. When you trust the mom, she feels for herself. You can't use all the benefit to have the benefit of the. Yeah. Being able to be in control of your own body and in control of your own situation, your control of your environment, whatever that is that you choose, really, you know, that's the comfort and peace that you have of being able to say, this is what I want. And having it I, I did the same as you where I didn't go to any pickups because I don't need anybody to tell. What's wrong or what's right, it doesn't matter. We have to support the mom to come back to their connection with ourselves, to their inner inner voice, to all what she's got from the universe. When you have the the come back with the consciousness that it all inside yourself, and it is, and you have. 40 weeks. Although I think it's a main problem that we, women get told, oh, don't, don't talk. Don't talk about your pregnant because of first 12 weeks. Every woman don't wanna talk that she's pregnant. But because everybody knows when you get a positive pregnant test and you wanna tell the world and you wanna share it with the world and everybody know, tell you no, don't do that. We, and, and it's just all of control. Yeah. So the first 12 weeks are gone, then everybody. Thinking about the, maybe till three 20, it's like, oh, I can't hear the baby. There is so much time. I don't do something because I'm maybe sometimes you can't see a belly or something else. And then most people sees in the week 24, 6, 5 cys, or six months, everybody is going to, oh, we have to make Baby Moon everything. Everybody is on vacation, baby Moon, everything. And then it's, then you have maybe three 30 and then they're think. Or maybe I have to make a preparing course or something else, or maybe I just make some hook numbers bursting course and everything is prepared, and then they all also, they're just sinking to the due date. Nobody is thinking and preparing the postpartum time and the breastfeeding journey. I'm curious, so how long was your league or with your last one in the ocean? I have to confess, to be honest. It's, I, I'm a big fan of Law of Attraction, so every time I create my own birth before, because I was telling my husband the whole time, maybe the birthing is just one hour because baby, baby first, the baby first baby was just six hours from closed cervix till baby's out. The second baby was four hours and the third baby just two hours. So I show on my mind, okay, we have just one hour. So I was nervous because I know my plan because getting in the car, we need friends. They take care of the worlds other jing. And so I was in, in the wash to go to the watch the beach. And so I had told the whole pregnancy and my mind was, I just have then burst from one hour. So that. Because I'm sure I create my own birth. Yeah. And it's not true that everybody, because we know, everybody says, oh, you need for one centimeter, you need one hour. No, it's not here. That is not the world truth. So, and all, I read a lot about the settle ejection reflex. Yeah. Everybody, every woman can get the feet of the judging reflex. Yeah. When you have the setting is so your safe place and everyth. And so because I gave to my second baby and the third baby, two sons, I gave birth and water and I tell my husband the ocean thing, it's so, because we have a really simple life connected to earth and all the things, the ocean thing, it was so in, it has to be like natural, natural as possible. Yeah. So that was the idea. And I also know. A lot of women before I make it like that, make the decision to give birth in the ocean. It's not like, because sometimes it feels like I was a founder of something, but it's not. It's like, it's like you're bringing life back into old ways. After sharing my story, there were a lot of messages that women tell me on The Bahamas, on Hawaii, on Honduras, on everywhere on. They, it's normal for the local women to give birth in the ocean. So I, I also write a lot of, and so it was not an idea that I'm thinking about in the morning or maybe today we give birth in the ocean. I prepared it every day, the whole pregnancy, because I used the whole pregnancy to prepare myself. Every day is. No, no day without searching for all the wisdom. It feels like I'm sponge and I have to know all about water, what you can make with water frequencies, and it's so, because when we imagine in our warm, our baby is in the ocean, so the softest thing and services thing, you can, you can give birth is come from an. To another ocean. So the smoothest thing is from one ocean and another beautiful transition. So, you know, we were talking about due dates a little bit earlier, and I feel like part of the stress that comes from the whole pregnancy is this. Big focus on when the baby is meant to be due. And I think a lot of times when they get close to that weight, a lot of interventions can happen because they feel like, well, the baby's not here yet. Something might wrong. And so that another fear that is instilled in us. But there is no due date. My baby was stuck. Yeah, a month and a half will eat. But really that's not late at all. They all week on their own time. The due date is created for men. Yeah. To control and to. Birthing plan. I love, I love the example from From a food tree. Yeah. A fruit tree. Maybe you have in your garden an apple tree. Yeah. Yes. And everybody knows, not all blossoms are open the same day. And not every apple would fall on the same day. And nobody take care. No garden are thinking about, oh my God, the apple tree, the first apple is on. We have to cut all the apples. Everybody know that. And we trusted and there are no other. A doctor come and say, oh, we have to make a C-section because the cow, the baby is not out, or the dogs or the cats or whatever. Everybody who has pets, they trust that the, the mother cat knows what she's doing. Nobody take a dog and make some vagina examinations. Liar. One, truth the truth, and nobody thinking. Do you everything that a kid is jumping on the table in the morning laying on her bag and put out there all the shit. But it's a thing. For some reason, we've lost trust in ourselves as Yeah, totally. But we trust everything else to just blow as it should. And I think that's makes good point. We need to come back to a place where we, as women, we feel in control and in touch with ourselves beyond you have to come back and our intrus. Connected to ourselves, to our babies, to our placenta, and to trust in ourselves. So is there any like last an advice or wisdom that you'd like to share Yes, of course. When you have your positive pregnancy test or your feel for yourself or. Use the whole pregnancy. Don't wait for the last four weeks. And then you're thinking about, oh, maybe you, whatever, or, or don't think that, oh, it comes and it's just flowing. No, it's take your chance, takes the whole time, join every day, and takes the whole potential for yourself and for your baby. Find the perfect birth support, what you need for you, the perfect match for you, your birthing team, or maybe you know, without. And then take all what you want, make what you want, trust in you. Feel inside yourselves. Hear your inner voice. Be connected and. Create this birth what you want. Nobody else has to tell you what you have to make or what you wanna make with your birth or with your baby. So if you are teaching classes, what are your offerings for mamas at the moment? Yeah, I am. I am want a long time thinking about because everybody is asking me and maybe Josie, your has, you are the ocean mom. Your has to make something. And first of all, I was thinking about, oh no, I can't do that and everything. But my husband every time, all tell. I'm your biggest fan. You have to do that because all the women outside, they need that. You must do that. And someone was thinking about, okay, so I'm Megan Water Breath Masterclass. And I also, because I'm also on Lotus per Ma Mom, so I also create a Lotus Spur Masterclass. I am on Instagram. On Instagram at WA or Josie po. You can also find me on Google. There are, the whole world is writing about the ocean mom. So yeah, and you find in the link, in my view, you can find all classes there on my classes in German and English. I also made one by one sessions for when moms need just one appointment. But I also supported the whole pregnancy. Thank you so much, Josie, for joining us today and for sharing your insight. I'll have a link for her in the show notes for anyone who may want to chat with her further. Stay tuned with us next week where the topic will focus on a personal favorite of mine, the link between mushrooms and fertility, love and gratitude till Tuesday.