Interbeing
Interbeing is a podcast by MSB exploring what it means to lead, coach, and live in a deeply interconnected world. Hosted by Naomi Ward and Matt Hall, the show brings together educators, coaches, and thought leaders to reflect on the questions shaping international schools and beyond.
In this new season we return to the heart of our work: coaching as a way of being. Together we explore how presence, curiosity, and care can shift not just our conversations, but our cultures. Inspired by Thich Nhat Hanh’s teaching on “interbeing,” we recognise that nothing exists in isolation — every choice, every relationship, every pause matters.
Expect honest dialogue, stories from the field, and a commitment to learning in public. Not as answers, but as invitations to think differently about leadership, community, and the future of education.
You can find out more about Futures-Focused Leadership Coaching for International Schools and MSB at www.makingstuffbetter.com
Interbeing
Ep6: Doug Lemov (Teach Like a Champion) Creating Belonging in the Classroom
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Welcome to the Principled podcast.
In this episode, Matt Hall and Gill Kelly of Making Stuff Better talk to author Doug Lemov about various concepts arising from his book and online community, Teach Like A Champion.
They discuss various topics based around the theme of belonging, including: how the rise of smartphones and social media has led to an increase in anxiety and depression - and why making schools a safe space can help massively; why clicking in a classroom can be a positive reinforcement tool; and why children often value being pushed to achieve things they never thought possible through the high expectations of a coach or teacher.
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To get in touch with Doug, find him online here:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/douglemov/
Teach Like A Champion: https://teachlikeachampion.org/
Buy Doug's book: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Doug-Lemov/e/B002ZC7PI6?ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1&qid=1674035565&sr=1-1
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To get in touch, please find us online here:
Website: https://makingstuffbetter.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/makingstuffbetterltd/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Makstubet/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingstuffbetter/?hl=en
Twitter: https://twitter.com/stuff_better?lang=en
Additional links to follow:
Matt Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-hall-msb/
Gill Kelly: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gillkelly/
Naomi Ward: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomi-ward-098a1535/
