Interbeing
Interbeing is a podcast by MSB exploring what it means to lead, coach, and live in a deeply interconnected world. Hosted by Naomi Ward and Matt Hall, the show brings together educators, coaches, and thought leaders to reflect on the questions shaping international schools and beyond.
In this new season we return to the heart of our work: coaching as a way of being. Together we explore how presence, curiosity, and care can shift not just our conversations, but our cultures. Inspired by Thich Nhat Hanh’s teaching on “interbeing,” we recognise that nothing exists in isolation — every choice, every relationship, every pause matters.
Expect honest dialogue, stories from the field, and a commitment to learning in public. Not as answers, but as invitations to think differently about leadership, community, and the future of education.
You can find out more about Futures-Focused Leadership Coaching for International Schools and MSB at www.makingstuffbetter.com
Interbeing
Ep11: Why Happiness Underpins Belonging with Catherine McKinley
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Welcome to the Principled podcast.
In this episode, Matt Hall of Making Stuff Better is joined by Catherine McKinley, Founder and Director of the Green Shoots International School in Vietnam.
They discuss belonging in a global capacity, touching on Catherine's personal relationship with finding belonging in an educational environment after moving to Singapore as a young teen. Catherine tells us the inspiring story behind why she felt so moved to open a school in Vietnam and the challenges she had to overcome to do so.
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To get in touch with Catherine, you can find her online here:
Green Shoots International School: https://www.greenshoots.edu.vn/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/catherine-mckinley-333a8834/
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To get in touch, please find us online here:
Website: https://makingstuffbetter.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/makingstuffbetterltd/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Makstubet/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingstuffbetter/?hl=en
Twitter: https://twitter.com/stuff_better?lang=en
Additional links to follow:
Matt Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-hall-msb/
Gill Kelly: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gillkelly/
Naomi Ward: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomi-ward-098a1535/
