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You Can Rewrite Your Family Story: Challenging the Limits of Generational Trauma with Marina O'Connor EP 103
Listen to this episode, "You Can Rewrite Your Family Story: Challenging the Limits of Generational Trauma with Marina O'Connor" as trauma therapist and entrepreneur Marina O'Connor joins host Dori Durbin. Do you ever wonder how your family's past affects your parenting? In this episode, Marina O'Connor shares how to recognize generational trauma, strengthen your bond with your children, uncover the impact of inherited beliefs, and tackle common parenting challenges. If you want actionable tips to understand transgenerational trauma, foster self-awareness, and revolutionize your parenting journey, then listen and start your family's new future now!!
This episode covers:
* Understanding Generational Trauma and Its Impact
* Identifying and Questioning Inherited Beliefs
* Breaking Free from Limiting Family Patterns
* The Importance of Self-Discovery in Parenting
* Supporting Children Through Their Own Trauma
* The Ongoing Process of Healing from Trauma
* Nature's Role in Healing Generational Wounds
About Marina:
Marina O'Connor is a trauma therapist and serial entrepreneur who helps parents reconnect with themselves and bond emotionally with their children. With her "What do we pass on?" program, she guides parents and individuals through exploring transgenerational scenarios, recognizing patterns, and finding ways to challenge and change them. Marina's work focuses on helping people identify whose scenario they're living or reliving, exploring the impact on their lives and relationships, and discovering their true potential. Living in Portugal, she plans to combine her therapeutic approach with the healing power of nature in future retreats.
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https://www.physistherapist.com
https://www.instagram.com/physistherapist
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https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/thats-good-parenting/id1667186115
More about Dori Durbin:
Dori Durbin is a Christian wife, mom, author, illustrator, and a kids’ book coach who after experiencing a life-changing illness, quickly switched gears to follow her dream. She creates kids’ books to provide a fun and safe passageway for kids and parents to dig deeper and experience empowered lives. Dori also coaches non-fiction authors, professionals, and aspiring authors to “kid-size” their content into informational and engaging kids’ books! Find out more here: https://www.doridurbin.com/
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Intro for TDP (version 2)
[00:00:00] Marina O'Connor: That's the beauty of human development that we can have that. Every day is an opportunity to change something that we don't agree with at that point of our lives, right? It's an opportunity to revisit, to get curious, to just, yeah, to just like really ask, do I want to pass it on? So I think all of us have that. Clearly, I have that, I wouldn't be doing that work if I wasn't my own journey of healing and unpacking and understanding.
[00:00:30] Dori Durbin: For some people, having a traumatic past isn't just their own background, but it's in the background of generations before them. How do parents help their own kids trauma? And help them achieve their biggest dream still? Luckily for you today, I have our special guest.
[00:00:49] Dori Durbin: Her name is Marina O'Connor. She's a trauma therapist and a serial entrepreneur. She helps parents to reconnect with themselves. And when their parents might have [00:01:00] an emotional awareness about their wounds, they can emotionally bond with their own children. So welcome Marina. Thank you.
[00:01:07] Marina O'Connor: Thank you for having me.
[00:01:09] Dori Durbin: I'm super excited to talk to you because I think there are so many of us who have big t traumas, little t traumas, we have experiences in our lives. And when we talk about the generational impact of trauma, sometimes that can get confusing to people. So you might taking just a minute and explaining to us what generational trauma really is in your own words.
[00:01:30] Marina O'Connor: Yeah, of course. So I think, just when I think of transgenerational work, there's broader element, the trauma kind of I work with transgenerational scenarios. And, this is implicit knowledge that each of us carries, right?
[00:01:46] Marina O'Connor: Because we all belong to Family system, and this family system has a very strong influence on us, on our belief systems, right? On how [00:02:00] we see the world, how we see relationships, how we see love, because each of us would have different interpretations of, what love means.
[00:02:07] Marina O'Connor: Kind of everything, all of those things are Part of those transgenerational scenarios and some of that knowledge, is wonderful and amazing. And some of that knowledge could be about, permissions and some just, just amazing things that can be passed on from one generation to the next.
[00:02:27] Marina O'Connor: And some of those things can be those negative experiences that can be traumatic, right? And they connect to, to. Any kind of unresolved and processed trauma which kind of has a tendency to be carried from one generation to the next and sometimes for several generations, right? And those influences could be like just around some of the destructive transgenerational scenarios.
[00:02:56] Marina O'Connor: It could be pattern, I don't know it could be patterns [00:03:00] like abandonment, or it could be patterns like, lack of love, or it could be patterns like unhappy relationships, or it could be patterns like emotional loneliness, or it could be patterns like addictions or abuse, whatever they are.
[00:03:15] Marina O'Connor: So I think, when parents carry. unresolved trauma, children tend to internalize it, right? Because when trauma happens to us, especially, early on, especially if it's developmental or childhood trauma, right? Then it disrupts our connection with ourselves, right? So there is going to be that internal sense of this connection or shattering, that makes it very difficult for people to connect with themselves with whole self, as opposed to, they might find it easier to connect to certain parts of themselves that they find welcome or good enough, or how they should be.
[00:03:57] Marina O'Connor: But then there's going to be quite. Deep [00:04:00] sense of internal disconnection and for those parents, it can be really difficult to connect with their Children, right? Because if we're not connected with ourselves, then we can't connect with other people. So I think that's broadly what my work is, to work with those transgenerational scenarios to help people to explore and recognize whose scenario they're living or, reliving, right?
[00:04:28] Marina O'Connor: And those ways to identify some of those patterns and then, just explore the impact on their lives and their relationships. And I guess, find the ways to challenge and change it, right? So this is why kind of the work I do, I call, what do we pass on? Because, that's the question I've been asking myself since I've Became a parent.
[00:04:52] Marina O'Connor: And, this is a question that I know many parents ask themselves daily. Because, I [00:05:00] think all of the parents, most of the parents want the best for their children and sometimes they don't have support and the tools to actually give them the best because of that trauma that they might carry.
[00:05:16] Marina O'Connor: Yeah.
[00:05:17] Dori Durbin: So really, I think if I'm understanding kind of the process. So what could happen is maybe we have some unresolved maybe we feel cold or we feel callous at times to our kids. And maybe that was something that was passed on to us from our parents and from an experience that their parents had. And we were not even identifying that, but we just know that there's something inside of us That we don't like in how we respond to our kids and that's maybe is that kind of how you figure out that there's some sort of trauma there to begin with?
[00:05:52] Marina O'Connor: I think, we can, there are many ways how we can feel that there is some kind of wound that's being reactivated, [00:06:00] in any kind of intimate relationship, but I think parenting is such a, Key relationship in that because with our children, we're going to recycle every single developmental stage that we've had ourselves, right?
[00:06:16] Marina O'Connor: So we're going to constantly have every day sometimes, those really powerful messages from the past almost, right? They're going to be in here and now, but then we're going to be reminded of everything that we have received. We're also going to be reminded. of everything that we haven't received, and I think because we don't, we humans parent based on what they've received, right?
[00:06:45] Marina O'Connor: We're similar to animals in that way, right? Because modeling comes through our parenting. And from there, we can either go to, we're going to do the same, right? Or we're going to [00:07:00] reject, right? We're going to say, I'm going to do it differently because I don't like what I have. Received, because of maybe how painful or how much criticism I've had, or, whatever those harmful experiences I've had with my kids, I'm not going to repeat it.
[00:07:17] Marina O'Connor: So we're going to reject the parenting that we have received, but both of those extremes in a way they can be quite problematic, because it's almost making a decision from the lack of choice, so the driver. In both of those scenarios, I find that it's either we completely don't question something or we question all of it, right?
[00:07:44] Marina O'Connor: And then we also reject a part of our self that we've internalized, that we carry as a result of this core relationships in our life. Because no matter if we want it or not, we're an influence. [00:08:00] by those primary attachment relationships, right? Even if we reject like a mother figure or a father figure, or maybe it's a grandmother, whoever it is, right.
[00:08:10] Marina O'Connor: From a family system that we also reject the part of ourselves that kind of we've internalized as a result of that relationship. So I think there are different ways how we can feel those wounds being poked, it could be an emotional reactivity. It could be, and like feelings like shame, or grief, for example, like when you become a parent and somehow you're just overwhelmed with grief, and it's like very heavy, but you don't really understand where it's coming from.
[00:08:45] Marina O'Connor: And of course, there's a lot of grief and parenting, right? But if it's like overwhelming, if it's just really heavy. And you constantly feel like the presence of that. I think that could be, like feelings like rage, and just generally, I think [00:09:00] the difficulty, of maintaining connection with children, and in a way that, that might be difficult to hold feelings, or, it might be experiences that Oh, I'm not good enough, right?
[00:09:17] Marina O'Connor: Or I don't believe that I'm a good enough mother. And then how would that kind of change, right? Everything that a parent would do as a result of that kind of very core internal belief.
[00:09:31] Dori Durbin: Yeah. So if you're a parent who's listening right now and you're saying, Oh my word, this is me. I don't have, maybe I should never have kids, how do they start to work through that? Where, I'm going to say, obviously we need you, but what are the ways that they can start to flag some of that in themselves and how to deal with it?
[00:09:53] Marina O'Connor: First I just wanted to say in response to what you've said, I think all of us are that parents to some extent, because [00:10:00] none of us have received perfect parenting, right?
[00:10:04] Marina O'Connor: There is no such thing as perfect parents. So I think we're all. To some extent and obviously is going to vary, depending on our own individual life narratives and experiences, but I think we all have things to work on. And I think that's the beauty of, life. And that's the beauty of human development that we can have that.
[00:10:27] Marina O'Connor: Every day is an opportunity to change something that we don't agree with at that point of our lives, right? It's an opportunity to revisit, to get curious, to just, yeah, to just like really ask, do I want to pass it on? So I think all of us have that. Clearly, I have that, I wouldn't be doing that work if I wasn't my own journey of healing and unpacking and understanding.
[00:10:54] Marina O'Connor: But I think, I guess for me, the first step is to have that question, what do I [00:11:00] pass on to just start to get curious about what we have. Received as parents, what is my transgenerational scenario? What have I learned about intimacy? What have I learned about parenting?
[00:11:14] Marina O'Connor: What I have I learned about, I don't know, how to express feelings, what have I learned about how to ask for help and support, like, how would people react if I would come and I don't know, I would be I would want to share an opinion, was it welcome? Was it not welcome?
[00:11:31] Marina O'Connor: So the whole kind of variety of being curious to get to know yourself, in the context of those relationships that has those impacts on us. And, every belief we have is relational and transgenerational. Every single belief, if you choose any belief that you have about yourself, if you think of the earliest memory that's connected to that belief, and you might not even remember the [00:12:00] earliest memory but there are going to be things that kind of formed that belief, right? And then throughout life, it's those beliefs that are going to impact every choice that we make, right?
[00:12:16] Marina O'Connor: And so much of that is what we've learned as opposed to who we are, right? So I think that's the I guess significance of this work is to peel off those layers. Where you can just, be yourself.
[00:12:31] Dori Durbin: That's, I, okay, this is going to sound ridiculous, but I've never thought about the fact that all of my thoughts were given to me, like about myself. And that is just mind blowing. But you're right. If you think about different stages of your life. I can remember being very young and not being worried about what anybody else said. You get to that point where you start worrying about what other people said and it gets just on your mind. And that's what you're saying is you're like peeling it back and you're [00:13:00] almost like this emotional scientist who's paying attention to how people react to you when you're doing what the best case scenario is, right?
[00:13:07] Marina O'Connor: Yeah, because I think, and especially, of course, with some of those beliefs and can be very limiting, and I think, if we track down where have we learned and it's tracking down doesn't mean remembering how. When, what's the moment, but more if we start exploring the connections, the learning and then there is so many opportunities to change it into what works for us now.
[00:13:32] Marina O'Connor: And it's interesting. I've just recently was thinking of my own. Obviously I've been working. through, tons of negative self beliefs. But something that came up for me recently was like the one where I grew up with that, message that you're not an academic, like you're not, you're basically rubbish at anything that has to do with studies, because this is how I was in school.
[00:13:57] Marina O'Connor: And I grew up knowing, that I'm just not [00:14:00] an academic. So I think that belief For me, the impact it had that I was just always get by, like in school, in university, because I was just like this is how things are. I can get an amazing grade. Not that I think that this is something that I wanted, but I'm just, and it's, it wasn't until recently.
[00:14:22] Marina O'Connor: That I've realized that's actually not true, that's actually something that I've believed about myself based on kind of some of those, and they were not even verbal messages, they were just nonverbal messages that, you're not that. And you can't like do all of those things that, that maybe other people are better at because you're just, yeah, you just get by.
[00:14:49] Marina O'Connor: So yeah so I think we all have the whole variety of those things which we believe to be true.
[00:14:57] Dori Durbin: So if you know that, it's [00:15:00] interesting that, for you, you figured that out and hopefully that's not true, but how do you change that? Because that's such a pattern that could be. How many years of believing that?
[00:15:12] Marina O'Connor: Yeah, it could be 40, it could be 50. For some people it's their whole lives they live. Yeah, this is just, things that we don't even question most of the times because of how rigid, how fixed. they are. We're going to tend to think, no, this is true because I've always been like that, and some of them can be proverbial, those beliefs.
[00:15:36] Marina O'Connor: So we are not even going to have like explicit recollection of, like with the beliefs of, I'm not good enough, for example, that belief very often is rooted You know, in quite an early life experiences that we can't actually like explicitly remember with our conscious brain with our so yeah, so I think it's [00:16:00] just experimenting and exploring.
[00:16:02] Marina O'Connor: Where you are now and, do you does it feel true now, does it feel true now that this is like how you are, is that what you would tell your younger self, is that kind of what you would want your younger self to believe? And, just really question, how would your life be if you were to choose a different belief, right?
[00:16:25] Marina O'Connor: Because we're unconsciously going to. Seek information that everything we believe is true, right? So if we're going to say, I don't know, I'm never going to get a better job. We're going to seek confirmation of why this is true, right? If we're going to believe that we're like a bad mother, we're going to constantly seek confirmation of why this is true, oh, like I snapped at my child. Oh, I don't know. I forgot he's running, his gym shoes or whatever, and those are going [00:17:00] to be confirmations, whatever they are, right? Some of them might be small, some of them might be significant, but this is true. It's true. And this is unconsciously what all of us are doing if we believe something negative about ourselves.
[00:17:14] Marina O'Connor: We're just going out there, and we prove that this is, It's, this is the truth.
[00:17:23] Dori Durbin: Okay let's swing this and think about if you were in the household and you believed that you weren't an academic, I'm assuming that you're probably training your child to believe that maybe they're like you and maybe not going to be, but then if you know that is something that's not true, how do you make the household environment?
[00:17:45] Dori Durbin: Less focused on that trauma and more, give them the opportunity to go above that. How do you? Yeah,
[00:17:53] Marina O'Connor: I think it's a great question. And I think that this is such a common scenario, and it's not Not being an [00:18:00] academic is one of the examples, right? How many families you would think, in, in our family, everyone is a lawyer, or like in our family, everyone is this or everyone is this, so there is like this expectation that are or the opposite when parents say, because I haven't done it now, you have to do it, right?
[00:18:20] Marina O'Connor: Because I have that because I wasn't able to achieve something. Now I'm placing all this grief that I have because of my own failures, and I place it on you. And now you have to, as a child, deliver what I wasn't able to achieve. Myself, and it's almost like there's so many ways how those repetitions can happen.
[00:18:47] Marina O'Connor: So I think, again, like recognizing those patterns, and why just really understanding what's driving us, is, am I doing this? Why am I doing [00:19:00] this? Who am I doing this for? Am I doing this because this is kind of part of that sense of belonging? And I think that I'm only belong if I do this, there is this constellation where there is a very fixed role that I step into.
[00:19:18] Marina O'Connor: And when I'm in this role, I belong when I step out of it, maybe I'm not going to belong, maybe I'm not going to be part of this family, how would my parents? react, if, I would come and say, Oh no, I'm going to write this book. I'm definitely an academic, I'm definitely, I'm going to do, it's what would that be?
[00:19:37] Marina O'Connor: So I think just recognizing again, that those patterns are asking, how do they help or not help with how you envision your life? With where do you want to go? Do you know where you want to go? Just asking those questions, because I don't think many people know that.
[00:19:58] Dori Durbin: Yeah, you have something on [00:20:00] your website that talks about our potential. And I thought, it just really caught me, because I think many people, regardless of where they are age wise in life, they constantly wonder what if, and if I ever, and when someday I, whatever. And it's like they recognize that there's a potential there that they could get to, but something holds them back.
[00:20:25] Dori Durbin: So what is your experience with that? What holds people back? What gets, why are there some people that are able to meet their potential and others that can't? I
[00:20:34] Marina O'Connor: think what holds us back often is the lack of permissions, that we're receive as part of that parental modeling, and I think those psychological permissions, go be yourself, be the best version of yourself, whatever it is, for you, I'll support you.
[00:20:53] Marina O'Connor: I'll be here for you, but you don't need to take care of me, right? Just go and live your life, go and live your [00:21:00] life in the way that you see, right? Experiment and explore, but, and also you're always part of this family, as opposed to, Oh, you can't be doing this. It doesn't work like this.
[00:21:13] Marina O'Connor: You're not smart enough to do this. Who wants that? Why do you want that? Are you joking? Are you serious? Is it what you want to do? Like just comparing how would it feel for a child to be almost living with those different messages, but also, When we grow up we don't learn from what parents say mainly, we learn from what they do with their lives.
[00:21:39] Marina O'Connor: So I think in that way, parents give powerful permissions, right? If they're happy, if they're following their values. Dreams, if they're intimate relationships, if they're connected with themselves, if they're speaking out, I don't know, their truth, whatever it [00:22:00] is, right?
[00:22:00] Marina O'Connor: If they're not holding themselves back. This is the modeling. This is part of the modeling. And it doesn't mean that children are, they're not going to mess up. We're not going to mess up. We started, I think, a conversation with talking about mess, and stuff like that.
[00:22:17] Marina O'Connor: But I think it's, yeah, it's starting with ourselves as a parent and thinking, okay, so what permissions have I received and what haven't I? Received, do I have a permission to be successful? Do I have a permission to do what I want? Do I have a permission to, I don't know try different things.
[00:22:37] Marina O'Connor: Do I have permission to have like more money, than anyone in my family? Do I have permission to just be a mom if I want to write to where everyone in my family tells me, no, you have to like, whatever, be a lawyer. What are those permissions?
[00:22:55] Dori Durbin: That's so okay. I'm just sitting here and thinking of all the things that I've heard. Yeah. It's like my whole life. And it just, it's so fascinating to me because if you just spend just 30 seconds thinking, what do you believe that's probably not true? Yeah, it seems like you're flooded with an awful lot and yeah, what you're saying is just give yourself permission to do those things that you really, maybe people told you not to, in some sense, but it's that jump From thinking that you have to stay within a box to giving yourself. Yeah. Probably that's really difficult.
[00:23:30] Marina O'Connor: Yeah. And I like what you said, because I always I often say that people end up in those boxes if we choose to climb into one, and I think when we grow up, children we have to. Basically, we have an adaptation to whatever happens around us, we have to write.
[00:23:51] Marina O'Connor: This is just part of the survival. Children are going to keep an attachment with their parents, no matter what, because they [00:24:00] can't lose it. This is just biology, right? So I think very often, what happens is that we take all of that modeling, we take all of those. Beliefs we take all of those coping strategies that we've developed early in life as a response to the parenting, right?
[00:24:19] Marina O'Connor: And we keep using it. As we become grownups, so those beliefs is they've been created when we were like, I don't know, younger selves, right? Children that so it's a distorted view of the world, right? That is based on this family on text or, some limiting life experiences.
[00:24:40] Marina O'Connor: But very often as a doubt, we use that To be making choices, about what we do, and I think once you understand how outdated some of those beliefs are and how outdated some of those limitations are, [00:25:00] you can really start exploring what do I, what do I want? Where do I see myself?
[00:25:05] Marina O'Connor: What is my idea of I don't know, marriage, relationships, parenting, work, business wise, and everything else.
[00:25:16] Dori Durbin: What if you're a parent who doesn't recall any traumatic events in your life, but you know for a fact that you're a child who's had trauma? Is the process similar? What can I do for my kids if I don't have that same experience or that same understanding?
[00:25:33] Marina O'Connor: Yeah, I think we never have same experiences, even if when people have what seems to be the same trauma, right? Our experiences are going to be very different because trauma is an individual interpretation, right? And this is what makes experiences traumatic. It's not. This is the list of things that you get traumatized by.
[00:25:59] Marina O'Connor: And if you fall on [00:26:00] this list, this is what you're going to have. This is how you're going to heal. It's more complex than that. And we don't still, understand trauma fully and the impact on our self and our bodies and, but I think no trauma is. the same, so I think if anyone here is trauma that I think I would say one of the most important The thing that we can do for anyone who carries trauma for ourselves or other people in our lives is just, to be witnesses to their pain, to be witnesses to their pain, to offer them that relationship, that space, that relational space that can be like one of the vehicles.
[00:26:52] Marina O'Connor: For healing, whatever that journey might be, so I think when something happens to our [00:27:00] children, as a parent, just being that secure relationship, that, that can be there in whatever form that, they might need and it might change and, it's almost like anchor, safety anchor.
[00:27:17] Marina O'Connor: That just holds, all the feelings that arise as people navigate all of those complex effects of trauma.
[00:27:30] Dori Durbin: Yeah, I'm sure, I love your answer. And I'm thinking like in, in the home, let's say there's a traumatic experience to the child and the child is trying to be with people that didn't have the experience.
[00:27:44] Dori Durbin: I love the fact that you're just saying, just be there and feel what they're experiencing. Because I guess in my mind, I, a child doesn't always know how to even express what's going on. And so having that openness and that communication or that [00:28:00] trust that you're talking about. with them is probably just like huge for just the healing process itself.
[00:28:08] Marina O'Connor: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think, kind of trauma is relational, right? Because I think We get harmed in relationship, we get healed in relationship. And I think that experience of being seen in a relationship, with your vulnerabilities, with your pain, maybe with your inability to express what you need or how you feel, with your Yeah, just as you are without having to justify or like a rescue or fix, or all of those things that we do for other people.
[00:28:45] Marina O'Connor: And just being holding that space for anyone and, I think, again, when we talk about transgenerational scenarios, just being mindful of, what are the relational patterns that we create in our own [00:29:00] relationships, what is that part of the modeling that our children witness?
[00:29:07] Marina O'Connor: What is what do we pass on in that context, because it's every experience will have an impact good or negative or, whatever. So I think just questioning that, quite a big step to have that awareness.
[00:29:24] Dori Durbin: And that's probably the first thing that you can do, too, I think the first thing. First best start.
[00:29:29] Marina O'Connor: Good. Yeah, and I think it's like an ongoing process, it's there's no, it's not a destination, to heal from transgenerational trauma or to heal from any trauma, because I think people want to believe that there is like a final stop. Where you're just it's a journey, right?
[00:29:47] Marina O'Connor: So it's a little bit more, it's a little bit more of an awareness, it's a little bit more of coping skills. It's a little bit more of connection as opposed to disconnection, it's a little bit more permissions, [00:30:00] but there's going always going to be layers, right? And you anyone chooses.
[00:30:06] Marina O'Connor: how deep they want to go, and I guess and where do they want to move to, in their lives.
[00:30:16] Dori Durbin: If there is somebody out there, and I know there is, who really wants to get ahold of you and to ask more questions specifically to their situation, where are the best places to find you and to connect?
[00:30:29] Marina O'Connor: Yeah, I have a website. So if you Google my name, there is a website. So I'm on Instagram as well, if you Google. My name. So I think, with social media, it's quite easy to find each other. Yeah. I think if anyone feels curiosity or if anyone has any questions, I'm always try to respond, if when I have kind of time and resources.
[00:30:53] Marina O'Connor: So it might not be like. fast, but I'm very open. I love talking about this. So yeah, so there's, I'm [00:31:00] out there and there are ways to get in touch.
[00:31:05] Marina O'Connor: And you are, unfortunately you're far away. You're in Portugal. Is that right?
[00:31:08] Marina O'Connor: Yeah.
[00:31:08] Dori Durbin: We can just come see you then.
[00:31:10] Marina O'Connor: Yes, exactly. I'd love that. I'd love that to do another podcast here somewhere, next to the beach.
[00:31:18] Dori Durbin: I think that would be really great. Yeah. Yes.
[00:31:22] Marina O'Connor: Yeah. Yeah. Actually, one of the things that I am going to mention that I really want to do in the near future. So I have this program that's called what do we pass on and this is a program for parents and everyone else who want to You know, do this work around transgenerational scenarios and to reconnect with their potential.
[00:31:43] Marina O'Connor: And so hopeful I'm going to do a retreat for everyone, who wants to come to Portugal and also, just enjoy the beauty and the ocean and the forest because I live in the most beautiful place. So [00:32:00] hopefully, there is going to be an opportunity in the future. That's to do that because that's something that's on my list of things that I'd like to make happen.
[00:32:10] Dori Durbin: I think that would heal somebody right there.
[00:32:13] Marina O'Connor: Yeah. Nature, where I live is healing, outside of kind of the work I do, I think there is so much opportunities to heal just in nature. So yeah, so I believe that. This is something that we are lacking often, just being in nature and being, still connected.
[00:32:33] Marina O'Connor: Yeah.
[00:32:34] Dori Durbin: Awesome. I love that. Okay, tell us the name of it one more time, of the conference. The name of the event, you want to hold the retreat? Oh, no, the retreat I haven't it's going to be all information once I do it and I have the data is going to be on my website is going to be on my Instagram.
[00:32:51] Marina O'Connor: It's not yet this is going to be like in the near future. But yeah, but if anyone interested in what do we pass on program then yeah, [00:33:00] there's all information follow me. And I'm going to try to be more organized in my social media presence as well.
[00:33:08] Dori Durbin: Marina, this has been just great. And I really appreciate just how you've given us so much, a wealth of information.
[00:33:16] Dori Durbin: And honestly, like a trip to Portugal to find out more.
[00:33:19] Marina O'Connor: It's a beautiful place. Yeah. And I think, if you haven't been put it on your list. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:33:27] Dori Durbin: So much for your time today.
[00:33:29] Marina O'Connor: Yes. And thank you for having me. It was fun. Thank you.
[00:33:33] Dori Durbin: Thank you. Thank you.
