1.08 - Using Logic and Intuition to Cultivate Wellness with Lori Wilson-Hudson

In this episode, Tina Unrue talks with Lori Wilson-Hudson about building a bridge between logic and intuition. In a world where we've been taught to prioritize logic over feelings, tuning into our intuition is a novel concept. Lori encourages moms to start cultivating a sense of presence so as to build your intuitive muscle so that it can be used in all aspects of your daily life. Both Tina and Lori leveraged their intuition to self-advocate for their health and wellness needs and continue to do so to manage their respective chronic illnesses.

Lori Wilson-Hudson is a passionate and highly intuitive coach, helping leaders optimize their confidence and break through personal and professional barriers. She is committed to supporting a client's ability to see and question the opportunities available to them in order to live a life of holistic wellness.

Guest: Lori Wilson-Hudson

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Host: Tina Unrue

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Transcript

Lori Wilson-Hudson: If I'm uncomfortable in anything, I know that that's because I'm resisting the present moment. And so the more I can practice presence, I think the more I can offer and the more of a legacy I can leave. And I, I hope that that is my legacy, is a legacy of presence.

Welcome to the Selfish Mama Matters Podcast with your host, and my mom, Tina Unrue. 

Tina Unrue: Lori, thank you so much for agreeing to be a guest on my podcast today. I'm incredibly excited for our discussion and for the listeners to hear what you have to say. Um, I even might be taking a whole lot of notes too, so we'll, we'll have some fun with today's podcast.

Before we get started, would you please introduce yourself, share your pronouns and share with us how you are showing up in the world. 

Lori Wilson-Hudson: Sure. Um, first of all, thank you for having me here. I am excited to be here and appreciate the opportunity to connect and be a part of this. Um, I think what you're doing is needed and important. 


[00:01:03] Identifying meaningful and aligned work
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Lori Wilson-Hudson: So, like you said, I'm Lori Wilson Hudson. Um, I'm a professional coach and a mom. I have three daughters. Um, my pronouns are she, her, and, um, give you just a little bit. Of my background, so you know, the context of my point of view, where that's coming from. Um, so I would say something probably pivotal that led me to coaching, um, was getting to work in the corporate world.

Um, you know, sometimes there's not a lot of intention when we first start our lives, so, um, just following the path of least resistance, I think as a young mother and ending up in the workforce, um, in a professional job where I was processing a lot of data and really found myself bored, um, with the processes, not really feeling how they were connected to helping people or, you know, really feeling connected at all to the work.

So luckily, um, the place that I worked did a lot of, uh, assessments on like personality to help you kind of find your career path, and after doing some assessments, I realized that, you know, it made perfect sense why I was bored working with data because, um, the assessments pointed to that I would be best off working with people one-on-one in a counseling or coaching or teaching capacity.

Um, so that resonated with me, um, strongly, and so I found myself back in school and studying psychology and human behavior. And, uh, that really began to feel like a fit for me. And I was very lucky to be able to do two extensive internships with, uh, licensed professional counselor and get to practice some of those skills, realizing that that was really where my talents and passions would intersect because it didn't really feel like work. Um, so I looked at the degree path and decided that becoming a licensed counselor wasn't really, um, in my path at that point with two young children. Um, I was a single mom going to school full-time and working full-time.

Um, so I looked at the, um, more into like holistic wellness coaching and knew that I could apply some of the behavioral models that I was using along with nutrition and fitness consulting, and really help people figure out, um, you know, how they could live their best lives, mind, body, and soul. Uh, so I started a wellness business over 10 years ago and I still do some of that. So I've been doing that ever since. 

Um, but just recently took a turn to where, um, I got back into business development also and was doing that simultaneously. And then the company that I was doing business development for, uh, had an opportunity to do some leadership coaching. So through that I found myself getting a different certification and energy coaching and have been doing that for the last few years and have fallen in love with that and now get to apply that to the business development side as well.

Tina Unrue: Nice. Yeah. Thank you for that. So a mom to three kids navigating kind of a staleness, if you will, right? With your career, going back to school, finding the energy coaching, or excuse me, health and wellness coaching, and then that evolved into energy coaching. So is that what you focus on now is both the energy and the health and wellness coaching.


[00:04:58] Saying yes to opportunity
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Lori Wilson-Hudson: Yeah. I, um, and this, we'll get into more of this discussion, um, but I've really entered a space in my life where I, I say yes to a lot of different things because I love the experiences and because I trust my intuition that I will be guided, uh, to know what is just the right amount of each. So I do business development.

I do still have holistic wellness clients, um, that I will probably always have that have been with me for over 10 years. Um, and then I do, um, I'm also an executive coach to where I apply the energy coaching to that business development side. So I've got my hands in a little bit of everything right now, but it has been a journey to get here, that's for sure.

Tina Unrue: I bet. And we will explore that journey. I am really intrigued though, by the flow that you sound like you have kind of opened yourself up to for just like trusting that the universe in essence will help direct you to where you need to go and to experience a variety of things. And I think it's incredibly important to, you know, dig into that because as we record this podcast, it is, what, August of 2022, and the workforce dynamic, at least here in the United States, is such that a lot of women had to leave the workforce or chose to leave the workforce because of COVID struggles, even post COVID challenges that we still are kind of navigating with lack of childcare or just literally burnout. And so there's so much here that can really benefit listeners. I find it really an interesting discussion because one, that flow of kind of just allowing ourselves to be open to what comes right, to what comes next. But we also desperately, I think we collectively, as moms are searching for a sense of more meaning and purpose, and a sense of contribution to something bigger than ourselves.


[00:07:22] Discomfort and disconnection can be motivators
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Tina Unrue: You had this sense of disconnection from your work, and you obviously explained that roadmap. How do you recall making that decision of, you know, going back to school and kind of exploring different paths and options that you wanted to give a go? And how did that all come about?

Lori Wilson-Hudson: Um, I think anytime we find ourselves in discomfort, uh, we can use that as an opportunity to explore, you know, the change that we may be seeking. Mm-hmm. Um, and so if the discomfort is great enough, then it pushes us into that place of exploration because the life that we're living or the situation that we're, we find ourselves in is no longer tolerable.

Right, right. So, um, so I was really burdened by, um, just the data that I was processing, but it was more than that. It was that sense of disconnect. It was, um, not having a lot of time with my children. And when I did get home to my kids, I wasn't working in a space that I found energizing. So I was depleted by the time I got home too.


[00:08:35] When chronic health issues are a factor
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Lori Wilson-Hudson: Um, I also, I have a genetic autoimmune disease. Um, it's rare, but um, some people may be familiar with Ehlers-Danlos syndrome. And so it was undiagnosed at the time, but it was also taking a toll and a burden on my system. So there was a lot of different things of just being in a place of deep discomfort, of beginning to explore, other alternatives, and knowing that the work that was depleting me was part of that. So yeah, you know, it was an opportunity. And now I see it as a blessing that I got so uncomfortable that I started to search my intuition. Mm. And look and, and balance my intuition, you know, with logic and emotion and, um, what opportunity is here. And so that led me to, to really doing that deep dive into my soul of, you know, if this is not fulfilling, then what might be. 

Tina Unrue: Right. Well, you, you don't know this obviously about me, but I also have an autoimmune condition. So I completely resonate with what you said because the thing that drove me to coaching as well was the sense of work life imbalance. The struggle of not having enough time with my daughter at home and you know, work getting the best of me, and my family getting the rest of me, and I just wasn't being the mom that I wanted to be. And so it really started to take a toll to the extent that I was like, I, I have to find something different. Like, this is just not working for me, you know? Um, yeah. And so I, I completely get that.

And I feel like there are so many moms who are also dealing with a variety of chronic issues that contribute to the sense of, you know, struggle and lack of energy and maybe not showing up in the way that they want to show up for those that they love. You know, it's not just all mental and emotional, you know, or even spiritual, like there is definitely physical components that can weigh on us that challenge our capacity for a lack of a better term.

Lori Wilson-Hudson: Sure. 

Tina Unrue: Really, really limited. And so it's also really interesting too, that my intuition played a role in having me get to coaching, so I'm really interested for you to share, you know, how would you say your intuition helped guide you to going back to school and the selection of education that you could pursue?


[00:11:18] Feeling depleted as a mother
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Lori Wilson-Hudson: I think it was a lot of different things, but, um, I think that there is a, probably a curse and a blessing in that deep love that we have for our children because, um, and coming from a, a space of serving because I think that had I not had children that I may have felt like I could endure more or, um, I may not have been as hungry to seek another alternative, um, and may have stayed in that space longer.

But I think being depleted as a mother, you know, being a provider to my children, you know, financially, physically, and emotionally, um, and not feeling like I was presenting my best self at that time. I think that, that, that really, um, probably helped me tap into my intuition more than anything else of just knowing that things could be better and mm-hmm and then it would be worth, you know, looking at, um, looking at those options. 

I can definitely say that my life was so busy at that time. Um, I was trying to cram it all in and trying to be the best me that I could be, but I was, again, undiagnosed with my autoimmune disease, so I didn't realize the physical issues that I was having because I didn't have time for them. Mm-hmm. And so that manifests as self-doubt. Mm-hmm. You know, that if I were just more energized, if I were just healthier, if I were just, um, you know, different, if I was just better, then I could handle all of this and be more for my children. So a blessing and a curse I think there, but it took time through the years for me to get to know myself more, uh, love myself more, nurture myself in a way that my intuition could really start to serve me. 


[00:13:10] Balancing intuition and logic
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Tina Unrue: It's really striking some of the language that you used about the importance of, you know, balancing intuition and logic. How do you feel like you do that now and what tips do you have for balancing and making space for those equally? 

Lori Wilson-Hudson: Yeah, I think that, um, one thing that I wished I had been better about when I was younger, that would've served me more was this either or thought of like, I don't think that we're taught to really honor our intuition. It's something that's said in passing. Oh, always pay attention to your intuition, but nobody really knows what that even means.

Mm-hmm, um, how do you do that and what does that look like? And so when things that are happening in our lives that aren't, um, equating to, you know, are, are not, um, adding up to the logic and reason, we seem to dismiss those because they don't make sense. And so, like for me, for instance, the autoimmune disease, all of the, um, symptoms that were presenting through the years and keeping me from being my best self, my best, you know, as an employee, as a mother, as a student, um, the thought was that I'm, if I could just try harder, if I could just have enough, you know, more energy.

Um, but looking back, uh, instead of, I feel this way. But because it doesn't add up to what I'm being told by physicians, then it can't be true because you trust the logic. Mm-hmm. And so, um, you know, looking back, had I honored what I was feeling more and realized that it's not necessarily either or, so it's not intuition or logic, it's what would a balance of both of those look like?

Um, and you know, and I can give you the example. Of I was later in life when I realized, um, my diagnosis and I actually came to the conclusion myself. I was in the dentist chair. You know, I, I had clinic migraines for years as a result of the autoimmune disease, so I've been diagnosed with chronic migraine, 15 or more debilitating migraines a month.

And so I'm trying to squeeze all these things in, in between my migraines. Uh, but I remember sitting in the dentist chair and having a debate with my dentist about my diet, and this is after I had been a health and wellness coach for some years. And so I was eating a very healthy diet and the dentist was telling me that it was my enamel issue with my teeth was likely due to my diet. And I knew logically that this couldn't be true. So I was frustrated that, you know, I didn't feel like he was really listening to me when I had told him for the last two visits that I don't drink soda, I don't eat a lot of sugar, I don't drink dairy. You know, it's like I'm, I'm doing all the things, but I'm still having all these issues.

At the same time, I was getting a headache and I could feel a rib dislocating, which is a sign of Ehlers-Danlos, because you don't, your body doesn't properly produce collagen. So I'm having all of these, uh, symptoms simultaneously, but I've never been diagnosed with anything that was systematic. So it was just all these separate diagnoses.

And I remember sitting in the dentist chair frustrated with the conversation I was having with the dentist, and after he walked out, it was like I just had a realization of my intuition. It was like it was a voice. Lori, something is systematically wrong with your entire body. Always has been. So figure it out, you know?

So I, and I searched all of my symptoms together. And I guess I'd never done it quite that deliberately before, because before I was just un unsure and confused by what I was being told by physicians. And so I just put them all in together, searched them in a way that popped up that likely I had a collagen disorder. If I was having migraines and joint issues and enamel issues with my teeth, and my body wasn't properly producing collagen, so it was going to affect just about every system in my body.

Mm-hmm. And so being so late in life when I had that realization and then pursued. You know, the diagnostic testing and then realized, and once I realized it all, just, then everything started to click and it was just so obvious what I had been struggling with separately. And it, it was a moment of reckoning with myself of why did this take so long for, you know, I, I can understand other people not being as invested in my own health, but why did I miss what I knew to be true for so long? 

Tina Unrue: Mm-hmm. Do you feel though that you had had intuitive hits before that one that you had overlooked? 

Lori Wilson-Hudson: Absolutely. And that's, that's why I say it's, um, I. I like to think of it. It doesn't have to be either or. It doesn't have to be either. The doctors are right and you know, this is the issue, or your feeling is right.

It's, I think what I'm trying to say is when you're dealing with your intu intuition and you are balancing it against logic and your emotions and, and taking the bigger picture into, uh, consideration, what is the, and. I deal with that with my clients a lot too. We, we tend to get into either or thinking. It has to be this or this, and sometimes it can be, and. Like, what else is possible here. If you're really honoring your intuition and what you are really feeling, then how does that fit into the story? You know? And for me it was something systematically was wrong and that everything was coming from one, um, one source of fault, which was for me not, um, producing collagen correctly. 


[00:19:24] Women's intuition is her superpower
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Tina Unrue: Yeah, that's a really powerful story. So thank you for sharing that because You're welcome.

I feel it's just personal opinion. I feel like a woman's intuition is her superpower. And I feel that if women understood how to make more space for the feeling and the vibes that they have, in essence, our energy for if we made more space for that to be true, for it to make sense in the absence of data, in the absence of logic that we would be so much more confident in ourselves and powerful. But yet so many of us resonate with what you said really at the top of the recording, which is we had been taught to dismiss it. We had been taught that society or our family or whatever constructs value, logic and, you know, the, the normal way that things are done.

Um, and when our intuition cannot be fully explained or, uh, proven in essence by anything that's manifested outside of ourselves, and maybe not yet, but you know, even in the moment it's really hard to kind of find others to support us. So I appreciate you sharing that in the dentist chair you heard a voice because that's how, a lot of times I hear it too.

I can hear a voice or sometimes it's just a gut feeling. I don't necessarily, you know, always have words with it. I just know that something is off, um, or maybe wrong. Um, and you know, something else that I had struggled with in addition to my, uh, autoimmune condition independent of it actually was migraines, headaches, and what I called loopiness on and off for 15 years, and I actually started to get clarity at around year seven or eight in a dentist chair.

So that's like really fascinating that you're, I mean, obviously yours is different than mine. Um, but it's fascinating that we both, you know, had kind of a nexus, um, to the dentist and, and our, our conditions. 

Lori Wilson-Hudson: Yeah. I love finding parallels with stories like that because that's part of it too. And in the broad scheme of things, everything is connected. Nothing exists in isolation of anything else. So I'm fascinated by parallels. And I think you're right. I think that, um, you know, even just in the last few years I have, um, I, I would say that the compound effect has taken place with my intuition because I have nurtured myself in a way where rather than needing to be tougher and better and smarter and faster, I'm accepting who I am and where I am, and in that space of acceptance, I take space to be exactly what I am without judgment, and that allows me to connect with my intuition in a way that is mind blowing. The sense of empowerment that I have now versus, um, the way I lived a lot of my life is unrecognizable. Um, and so now, I don't mess with my intuition. I don't ignore it. I don't dismiss it. I honor it like the beautiful, wonderful gift that it is, and it serves me so much better now that I recognize it. 

Tina Unrue: Yeah, it definitely takes practice though, for sure. I mean, at least it does for me. And there's times that I still will find myself kind of questioning, whether, I'm thinking the thought or whether it's an intuitive hit. And so how do you best discern the difference, between intuition and logic that listeners might, might be able to take with them and try to start practicing on their own?


[00:23:48] Tips for discerning logic from intuition
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Lori Wilson-Hudson: Yeah. I think where this really plays in, um, also into kind of your broader theme of, um, selfishness. Such a, um, loaded word, right? So, um, it's almost like the more selfish we can be, um, the more nurturing of ourselves, the more self-care that we practice, or like I said, the more space I gave myself. So I wasn't always trying to be better or faster or, you know, have more energy. When, when I was able to accept who I was and what I was opened up space for me to care for myself and nurture myself in a way that I trusted myself. So now I'm caring for myself. I mean, if you had a caregiver that was abusive, you know, if you're, if someone has a parent that's abusive, there's not a lot of trust there, right?

So when we're taking care of ourselves, the more we can nurture that relationship and through action, you know, show ourselves that we are here to nurture and that will be here, it opens up a space of, um, It just sounds kind of bizarre, but it's like, uh, an intimate space with oneself and you can start to listen to your inner voice mm-hmm.

because now you trust it. Now you're not rushing from one thing to the next. You're not, uh, operating on little to no energy or sleep or expectations. All of the weight of all of that. So it, it gives you a lighter space to kind of play and kind of test out your intuition. So, you know, let's say this is my intuition speaking to me and I act on it.

Um, you know, one of my favorite things when I'm coaching people too, is just, um, when someone knows they need to make a change and they're not sure where to start you, it's just like, what's the first thing that comes to your mind? What does intuition tell you to do? You know, and they just without filter just kinda.

I said, it doesn't have to make sense. It can be silly, it can be whatever. And you know, sometimes if they find themselves hesitating and they just go for it and they blurt it out, or they just write it down so many times, what they need more than anything in this world is that thing. Mm-hmm. . And so the more they can allow themselves just to, just to test it, you know, the more trust they build with themselves and it's the compound effect. Yeah. So their intuition gets stronger and stronger and stronger until it is cultivated into a superpower. 

Tina Unrue: Yeah. So I love that. So my takeaway from that is, two things, correct me if I'm wrong. One is to make space. As much as you can and are able to, I know for a lot of moms that they think that's really, really hard or it really is hard, not just thinking it's hard, but can be really hard, especially if they are single mom, have demanding jobs, right?

Things like that. So making space can be difficult for lots and lots of people, but as much as you are able make more space. And number two, to start kind of tracking those intuitive hits so that you can try to start trusting them. And then in essence, having a way to maybe document right, or at least remember if you have a really good memory.

I don't always have a great memory, so that means I always pull out my phone and write it down, um, about this is what I thought, or this is what I did this day, or this is where this took me. And being able to kind of reflect on that path so that way we can start to put the dots together and learn, you know, what maybe was an intuitive hit versus what was logic and kind of start putting the pieces together in retrospect so that way we can start to trust it moving forward. Did I get that right? 

Lori Wilson-Hudson: Absolutely. And in presence, um, finding that, um, the space. Another word for that would be presence. The more that we can be present, that means not resisting anything. And so that's gonna look different for each person.

And you can use your intuition to get better and better at knowing when you can be present. You know, one of those opportunities that come up for presence. For one person that might be playing with their kids, for another person that might be reading, another person may be watching their children play sports, or journaling or meditating or exercising, or, you know, the list is so diverse for different people, it might be listening to music. But when you feel fully present, that is your opportunity to recharge your batteries so that you can be the best you and the most intuitive you that you can be.

And then, yeah, journal with it. Play around with it and figure out, you know, how it's serving you. Because the more you pay attention to it and the more you nurture it, the more it serves you and it'll become this wonderful vicious cycle.


[00:28:53] Redefine selfishness
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Tina Unrue: Yeah, I love that. And thank you so much for bringing up the selfish part of it because as everybody who's been here for a while knows I am, I really should start some kind of, um, petition to redefine what selfishness means because I really have a hard time with the fact that the term has such a negative connotation and I really don't feel like it needs to.

It is just, to me, being in likeness or characteristic of myself. And it touches on what you said, which is really just a deep connection with self. And so when we can kind of stop showing up in the world as who we think we need to be or who we're expected to be, and really start to give ourselves permission to show up as who we are and give ourselves what we need in that moment, we really are just tending to the deepest parts of us that need to be seen, that need to have space. Um, and then from that space, as you said, we then become more nurturing, not just of ourselves, but even others. 

How have you seen, if you're willing to share, how your journey has played a part in your own motherhood, like in the relationships that you foster with your daughters?


[00:30:27] How self-care fosters bonding with our kids 
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Lori Wilson-Hudson: Absolutely. Um, and so now I have a 28 year old, a 23 year old, and a 16 year old. So it's fun to have them in all the different stages. And I have a, um, one and a half year old granddaughter. Oh, how fun. So I have a great perspective on what self-care blooms into when we're taking care of ourselves, and then taking care of our children in a deeper, more meaningful way because we're more ourselves, we're more relaxed because we took the time to, to tap into our intuition, to know exactly what we needed, and then just to watch that develop in them and then watch, you know, the modeling that, that that does as a parent when we model how to care for ourselves and then watch a unique perspective in being able to watch my children succeed at that sometimes and fail at that sometimes, but knowing that it's possible they continue to strive for the balance and, and living that authentic, um, life of self-care. Uh, and then for like my oldest daughter that has the grandbaby, even getting to watch her now pass that, you know, self-care on to her child. Mm-hmm. So it's a, it's that vicious cycle passed on through other people. 

Tina Unrue: I love that you're using vicious in a very positive context. Yes. We like redefining things here. Yes. We like that. 

Lori Wilson-Hudson: It's a wonderful vicious cycle. Yeah. . Yes, because it's a cumulative and it just builds and builds in a very meaningful way, so it's, it doesn't feel comfortable all the time and it feels like, you know, maybe I shouldn't be taking this time for myself. We can let self-doubt creep in sometimes. Um, I think that's why it's so validating for me to be able to watch those behaviors now, um, be presented in my daughters and, and taking care of themselves in meaningful ways.


[00:32:29] Healing generational trauma
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Tina Unrue: Yeah. You know, it's what's coming to mind for me is the beautiful way that we can impact, not just ourselves and our own legacy, but future generations. You know, there's a lot of talk, especially in the personal development field, the self-growth field of kind of healing or breaking generational trauma. How fun is it to believe that we can not only break generational cycles and trauma that were unconsciously, passed down to us to the extent that we can now consciously pass down the foundation and value of self-care and boundaries and nurturing oneself as a positive thing. 

Lori Wilson-Hudson: Sure. And it's, um, it's all mixed up together. So I think that's the other part of, um, using your intuition and that self-acceptance to know that, you know, everyone has their own unique traumas. And, um, so that's the other gift that has come from this is that my daughters and I talk about our traumas together and we even lightheartedly joke about our traumas sometimes, like, well, you know, that's my trauma showing up.

And it's just part of our conversations. We know about each other's trauma, we know about what triggers each other. You can get a, um, a much more deeper and meaningful relationship can come from acknowledging that trauma as part of what we talked about earlier, that fully who you are. 

Tina Unrue: Yeah, without a doubt.

Well, I have loved this conversation. Thank you so much for the tips that you've shared. Many people will benefit from this discussion, and I hope that all the moms listening will start to, if they haven't already, tap into their intuition, start making more time for presence. 

And by the way, I know this may sound like really off the wall, but this is what I do in my house. I really don't like some chores like folding laundry and doing dishes. I'm just gonna say they're not my favorite. But when I hit those moments where I feel like I am just overwhelmed with chores and doing things, I will practice presence. Like when I'm doing the dishes, I will like focus on the temperature of the water and feeling the bubbles on my hands and feeling the textiles and the warmth of the clothes as I'm drying the clothes or folding the clothes, I should say.

So presence, as you said, can look and feel very different for every single person. And so we all have the ability to have presence all the time. And so follow what Lori said, make time for presence and you'll start creating more time for intuition. So thank you for that. 

Before we go, I want to ask you to share, if you don't mind, what is mattering most to you in this season of life?

Lori Wilson-Hudson: Um, that's a great transition because, um, the topic that comes up with me more than any other topic is presence. And I fully agree with you because I have that same tendency to, um, not wanna do the dishes or get bored with laundry. And I have also found the opportunity there to, if I, if I'm uncomfortable in anything, I know that that's because I'm resisting the present moment.

So when I feel that discomfort, I know that's a signpost to, I'm not present. And so use that as you know, what would it be like if you were going to fold the laundry in a state of presence and focus on your breathing and actually just relax because there's nothing truly really stressful about folding laundry. The laundry's not going to attack me or yell at me or cause me any real stress, right?

So if I can just allow myself to be, I really like listening to music. Um, so that is a way that I can stay present. Um, but showing up for my clients, showing up for my children. Um, the more I practice presence, the more fulfilled I feel in all areas of my life, and I know the more I can serve the people around me.

So it takes practice and we're not always going to get it right, and we're going to get caught up in egoic thoughts. And so the more I can practice presence, I think the more I can offer and the more of a legacy I can leave. And I, I hope that that is my legacy, is a legacy of presence.

Tina Unrue: Hmm. That's beautiful. How can people connect with you if they'd like to follow up? 

Lori Wilson-Hudson: Uh, the easiest way to contact me is probably through my website, which is energywellnesscoaching.com. Um, I would invite anyone that wanted to connect to just, they could book a discovery call, which is just a 20 minute call.

Um, and it doesn't have to be to explore a coaching relationship. It can be to talk about anything that we've talked about today or just to share anything. Um, As I'm practicing more presence, I really like to just connect with people in general. So if anyone feels the urge, follow your intuition. Book a discovery call, and I'd love to connect. Um, on Instagram I can be followed at energy wellness coaching also, so. 

Tina Unrue: Awesome. Well, thank you again. I am very grateful for your time, for your wisdom, for your expertise, for you sharing your story, and I think a lot of moms certainly are gonna benefit from today. So thanks so much. 

Lori Wilson-Hudson: Well, thank you. I appreciate being here.

Tina Unrue: Lori and I agree. Intuition is powerful. Unfortunately, many of us I think can resonate with the feeling that we weren't taught how to cultivate it. And even today, we may not trust it as fully as we would like. 

And that's where Lori comes in. You can reach out to her to be able to help hone that skill and really start to be able to then leverage your intuition, along with all of the outside noise that we have to take in. And whether it is for a medical condition or something else entirely, our intuition can always serve us. 

I don't want to end the podcast without saying this. Both Lori and I talked about chronic illness. We both have our respective diagnoses. If you have a chronic illness that you are struggling with, please know that our hearts go out to you. We see you and we know how difficult it is to be the person that you want to be when your physical capacity is limited. 

Do what you can to take care of yourself. I know you want to do all the things because you're a mom. I know sometimes you have to do all the things because you're a mom. 

But please, please see if you can create a village. Create some type of support system so that you can build in that time to nurture yourself because it's just that much more important. 

The other thing I want to say is that if you are navigating chronic pain and you have not been diagnosed with an illness, please take care of yourself. Prioritize getting to the doctors that you need in order to get tests done and get that data. But as you get data and as you meet doctors, check in with yourself. 

We have to be advocates in our own lives, especially our healthcare. And we know how we're feeling better than anybody else. And so if you feel like a diagnosis, doesn't quite fit, if you have questions, if things just don't seem to make sense that you're hearing from the doctor, then push back, ask questions and advocate for yourself. And in doing so you're giving a space for your intuition and voice to be heard. 

Lori offered incredible insight in this podcast. I will make sure that her information is in the show notes.

Please reach out to her if you would like to touch base with her about her experiences. Feel free to reach out to me about mine. We're here to support each other, that's why the podcast is here.

If you enjoyed this episode, I would be deeply honored if you would leave us a review, share the podcast, rate the podcast just so that other mamas who might need to hear this message can find it and maybe get the same benefit that you did. Thank you all for being here. Thank you for daring to be selfish, and we hope to see you next time.