Mark Foreman joins us this week and his story if a gripping one. We sit down to discuss how much footy meant to him and how a freak accident took it away from him. How he found his passion and pursed his dream. It's a good one.
Mark Foreman joins us this week and his story if a gripping one. We sit down to discuss how much footy meant to him and how a freak accident took it away from him. How he found his passion and pursed his dream. It's a good one.
Speaker 1
Ladies and gentlemen, let's welcome our next guest to the front and Centre podcast. He's a premiership hero at the North Beach Football Club and an avid fisherman.
Speaker
No need to ask Jesus.
Speaker 1
Now you can hear his dulcet tones on 6 PR Perth's AFL coverage.
Speaker 2
Out of the rock again gets it off to Holly hollers, who avoid 3 tackles, gets it to Chris now to Hewitt building off the wing. Hewitt sends them inside forward 50 up goes.
Speaker 1
Ladies and gentlemen, let's welcome mark. 44.
Speaker 3
I reckon that was some of my best work.
Speaker 4
Was it bad? The fact that Fantasia got a touch? I think. That was a rare a rare occurrence there.
Speaker 3
Paul Reed, welcome. Mark Foreman, welcome to the Front and Centre podcast. I'm so happy to have you here and. I'm sure no vacuum.
Speaker 4
I am, I'm.
Speaker 6
Pumped brown dog Jesus. Pleasure to be here at that genuine pleasure. I cannot live up to that interest. That's that was.
Speaker 5
It's good, yeah.
Speaker 3
You're smooth. Offer, right? That's right.
Speaker 4
Incredible, he does, I said his. His stings are very good. It's one thing he's very good at. There's some ones you're gonna hear a bit later and they'll blow your mind. But. Glad you could come on, because I think you've got a good story. Brownie likes your story. Before we get into question, give us the listeners. A beef, a beef, a beef background. Have a beef tea or.
Speaker 3
Thank you.
Speaker 4
Maybe. Front centre podcast. Read just about yourself because I've got a couple of questions. I'm sure there's a lot of things in your life that have happened that I think the listeners would like to hear and I think. You're a great bloke and you got some great stories to tell the listen. So I'm a bit of a background on yourself and what you.
Speaker 5
Just give.
Speaker 6
Do thank you, Jesus. I appreciate that. Well, we, I suppose both of us sort of cross paths at North Beach, which the Footy Club plays. Has played a huge part in my life. Love it. I yeah, born in Perth. Grew up in Perth, have lived in a couple of places here and there but basically this is home. I was a teacher for so I met.
Speaker 4
I met you, which we'll get to. We will get to that, but yeah.
Speaker 3
I don't not let's not mention where, but yeah, no.
Speaker 7
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well.
Speaker 3
Yes, you were a teacher.
Speaker 6
Well, it was weird because I yeah, like I I knew you. Brown dog through North Beach. Yeah. And then we crossed paths again years later at the same school, teaching at the same school. So I was a teacher, always, always had sport in my blood, you know, I mean, I was raised by two parents who sport was, you know, their life. So I suppose we are a product of our parents, but.
Speaker 3
Yes. Yes. Yeah. You had seen dead.
Speaker 6
Regardless of that, I I love it myself and so I always wanted to end up in sport. Few things happened last. Ohh probably two years ago. The transition started, but there was just a moment where I was like. I've gotta. I've gotta chase what I love. Like I've got to stop, you know, pretending and yeah, so it's certainly not being smooth. But I am now.
Speaker 5
In the smooth operator though.
Speaker 4
But yeah.
Speaker 3
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 6
That was that. That was smooth. Yeah, but I I am in. Yeah. As you mentioned off the top. So I'm working for 6:00 PM. Just now. You know? Yeah. I've somehow found my way into the career I like, and I'm just trying to work hard at getting better and and getting to where I want to be. So.
Speaker 4
Coming here might not help that but.
Speaker 3
Yeah, that's right. Hey, good. Good. Yeah, good. Good. Start off the top. We've got more questions.
Speaker 4
Hey, you never. You never know. So that was a. Good, good intro, but we've got something here.
Speaker 6
Yeah, it looks like you're.
Speaker 4
Holding your hand grenade. Yeah, it's. Look.
Speaker 3
We have a little segment that we like to review beers now. I did ask you before we play this, I did ask you what beers you like. Yeah. And you said you are a. What drinker?
Speaker 6
Ohh so I'm a swan giraffe drinker like that.
Speaker
Yes.
Speaker 6
These like, I'll go to any bar and if they don't have swan draught I no, I literally say why I will leave if I can, but if I'm with a group of people, I will literally say what's the beer that tastes the most?
Speaker 3
Your life. Like Sandra. OK. So I'm glad you said that because that man over there is Carlton Drive. So that's where this whole segment started. And I just said.
Speaker 4
Yeah. Come and drunk Michael.
Speaker 5
You can sort of.
Speaker 3
I'm going to expand your palette and there's a lot of random beers over.
Speaker 4
Yeah.
Speaker
So.
Speaker 3
Yeah.
Speaker 4
Down the bottom, we've got the we've.
Speaker 6
Ohh these beers.
Speaker 4
Got the. Yeah. Yeah. These are all the beers we've.
Speaker 5
Had.
Speaker 6
I thought these were you. I don't know if you're still coaching footy Jesus, right, but Jesus, he's got a whiteboard with magnets for those who don't, can't obviously can't see it. It's it's an audio medium. So that's everybody. Yeah, and I thought they were players. They're being.
Speaker 4
No, I'm not at the moment, but they are magnets.
Speaker 3
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yes.
Speaker 5
No, no, there are beers. There are beers, so.
Speaker 3
That's the top rated and that's the bottom.
Speaker 5
So that's the top. A Skywalker.
Speaker 4
And the ones down the bottom when this started, I go. There's two things I don't want because I when you were.
Speaker 6
Ah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4
With friend of the podcast I was talking about, marto unfortunately passed away. He got a pickle beer and I had to sit with this pickle beer and go. It's the most ranked. Thing. I've ever had, but then we won up to and we got the bong beer. So what? The bong beer is. It's basically a beer that has mould. I can't even say the word. I get, extract, extract in the beer.
Speaker 3
Stephanies.
Speaker 6
Good grandpa.
Speaker 3
Thank you.
Speaker 4
So you literally drink the beer. It smells like cannabis. It tastes leafy, yeah.
Speaker
Yeah.
Speaker 7
I've still got a four pole.
Speaker 4
Right. Yeah, in here. So we can we can get you one. So that's down the bottom. I said the two things that I want were a chilli beer and a pickle beer, the makers of the pickled beer now do a chilli pickle beer. So we're gonna save that. But yeah, that sort of goes up. We've got some fox Friday, some rainbow sherbet, the Snow globe, the cool CAT2 nanas, the 8 ball.
Speaker 1
I know.
Speaker 3
We got it.
Speaker 6
So I thought these were all nicknames of of your players.
Speaker 3
Right. So joy, you've you've heard, you've heard a joke, right? Goats. Yeah.
Speaker 4
Yeah, yeah, that's a guide.
Speaker 6
Mountain goat. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So that's the only literally the only one.
Speaker 4
Guide.
Speaker 6
On this list I know. Ohh yeah.
Speaker 4
You know, Furphy got us Furphy.
Speaker 2
So what's your colour code?
Speaker 3
Going on here, we just ran out of.
Speaker 4
Ran out of magnets.
Speaker 3
So there's no colour goes? Yeah. And and then we got this one down here.
Speaker 2
This is a slick operation.
Speaker 4
So friend of the podcast my names cost my wife very angry at me.
Speaker
Got too much out of the house, no? Aye.
Speaker 6
Didn't get any of that.
Speaker 4
You're not supposed to. So when cost came over, cost as gluten intolerance, so he. Bought, Brown thought.
Speaker 1
Ah.
Speaker 4
He was doing the right thing, buying gluten free beers.
Speaker 5
Brown got the worst gluten.
Speaker 4
Free beer on the market and costcos you've got no idea. I'm like, so cost is gonna bring his.
Speaker 6
Own gluten free beers when he comes can I? Can I just ask a question where why is swan draught not on there?
Speaker 3
We haven't had it yet. Move yet later.
Speaker 5
Well, see Scott.
Speaker 4
'S trying to expand the palette, so he's.
Speaker 6
Isn't that the first one? You'd have.
Speaker
Well.
Speaker 3
Well, we started with that actually that's pretty good you should.
Speaker 2
What's a trendsetter?
Speaker 4
We OK the CBC code was good, yes.
Speaker 3
Try that, yeah. But I'm intrigued by this one that there's one down there and I actually we haven't written anything on it, so who knows.
Speaker 4
What that is anyway, that could be the chilli pickle. Bigger. Yeah, alright. OK, alright.
Speaker 3
Anyway, that we've we've set you up for for this slowly.
Speaker 5
Let's give this thought.
Speaker 4
So I did catch up with the oh Jesus.
Speaker 5
Ohh why every time?
Speaker
Me.
Speaker 5
All night. Ohh.
Speaker 3
So our friend over here, he struggles opening beers.
Speaker 5
They I haven't. No, I.
Speaker 4
Don't struggle. I think I'm an aggressive opener and things go everywhere.
Speaker 6
Well, you're an emotional man.
Speaker
But.
Speaker 4
The best one I think we had was when Brownies wife had just given birth. We were doing a remote pop and I opened one in my office and it went everywhere.
Speaker 5
We'll save that base.
Speaker 3
So just give him birth. That's right, the pod. Stops for nothing.
Speaker 6
Yeah, that's brilliant. That is commitment. Yeah, up to the courts, correct.
Speaker 3
Yeah, yeah. For nothing commitment. 100%.
Speaker 4
Yes. So Mrs. Brown was very good that week, worked hard. And then so we're back to where we are. So this is Rocky Richard doing it do.
Speaker 3
So so.
Speaker 4
You.
Speaker 3
Yeah. Explain why, yeah.
Speaker 4
Want Rocky Richard doing a collab right? So they've collab with all these other local beer providers so. This is one part of the seven deadly tins, so it's not the sins, it's the tins. So we've had a few. We've had a race, we've had. What else did we have? What was the one last week?
Speaker
Clever.
Speaker 4
We had one. What was? The one that looked like Dosa Hinkley.
Speaker 3
Yeah. Deadly sloth. Hazy sloth blazer.
Speaker 6
This is crazy. Jesus and the seven deadly.
Speaker 3
Yeah, there it is. I've never put that together. That's that's why you're here. Well done.
Speaker 6
So like. Was meant.
Speaker 5
To be so this is this is the first. Thing you put together.
Speaker 4
This is #3. Yep, but the thing I don't like about Rocky Ridge is the beers normally have a description about the beer, so I like to learn about the beer, learn about it, how it's made. It helps me sort of get in touch with the beer, and then when you smell it, it it helps you get build the score. Rocky Ridge don't have anything and we had one last week called a double Bock, and that is apparently.
Speaker
OK.
Speaker 6
Yeah. OK.
Speaker 4
A German beer and double is double, so it was a double Bock and it was a it was a coffee dark rank piece of crap.
Speaker 6
That's talk.
Speaker 5
That was.
Speaker 6
Look, Jesus, here's the thing. So brown dogs.
Speaker 4
That's it, the cardinal tin.
Speaker 5
Brown.
Speaker 6
Dog still works with a a fair fuel. My friends from from that particular school and there are a collection of them who drink these, as can only be described wanky beers. Yeah, some of them look like fruit smoothies. I'm concerned that this is one of them. It's a very extravagant looking.
Speaker 3
Yes. Yes.
Speaker 5
Well.
Speaker 4
It's. Yeah. So look again. I'm colorblind. It looks like a bit of a Eurasian lady. With red hair, a lot of earrings and it's called lust and it's a red IPL 7.5%. She's sort of twirling the hair and.
Speaker 6
7.5% can't wait to do breakfast sport on the radio in the morning.
Speaker 4
Yeah, well, this is gonna be good. So we'll give.
Speaker 3
It's alright, it's only three. Ohh geez, that's sick. Don't worry, this will.
Speaker 5
Alright, let's get.
Speaker 3
Go for about an.
Speaker 6
I'm up at 4. I'm up.
Speaker 3
Hour and a half.
Speaker 6
At 4:30 tomorrow alright so.
Speaker 4
We better hurry this along.
Speaker 3
I'll probably be up at.
Speaker 5
Let let's win the header. Ohh.
Speaker 3
4:30 he's spooked again. He's got a problem.
Speaker 5
He did too. It happens every time.
Speaker 4
Alright, let's alright. Cheers lads. Let's see how this bad boy. Goes cheers.
Speaker
Hmm.
Speaker 3
It's OK, but I think everybody is OK.
Speaker 6
Oh yeah. No, I'm not huge on it. Yeah, not there's. Yeah. No, that's.
Speaker 4
There's a big going. It's it's. It's tight. It's, you know, the taste. It tastes a bit stale.
Speaker 3
You drink as much as you need to drink. I'll drink your other half.
Speaker 6
No, no, no, that's fine. No, I'm happy to have one like I'm ohh. Sit here to to. A beer with the boys. And have a.
Speaker 4
Chat but it tastes like there's something wrong with it. It tastes like ohh, it tastes like mine might have a hole in it and it's just some air's got in there. It.
Speaker
There's.
Speaker 6
So to me, I'm not huge on though.
Speaker 4
Or the after taste.
Speaker 6
What is it that not the Indian Premier League? What's the other IPA? I'm not Indian pile. Up with IPL IPA.
Speaker 3
Indian Premier League this is.
Speaker 4
This is an.
Speaker 3
IPL Indian Premier League yeah.
Speaker 4
PL.
Speaker 6
So what does this? This probably doesn't stand for that. What does the? IPL actually stand for?
Speaker 3
We wish we could tell you.
Speaker 6
Yeah. So, but the odds. But the IPA's, yeah, they. So, you know, designed to be on the boat from India to Australia and so.
Speaker 4
I'm pretty sure it's a lager.
Speaker 6
That they they.
Speaker 3
IPads. Indian Pale ale, yes, yeah.
Speaker 6
Correct. And then they brought them over to and they they used. Them on ships to to last for a long time.
Speaker 4
It's a lagger Indians file lag.
Speaker 6
They probably taste like crap because they needed to live. For a long. Time. I suspect that's some some sort.
Speaker 3
Ohh, I like that. That's a good theory.
Speaker 6
Of yeah, I suspect it's some. Sort of relevance to it.
Speaker 4
So the India Pale ale, or IPL, is a Cold IPA, is a hoppy beer style inspired by an Indian pale ale. But unlike IPA's, IPO's are fermented with a lager yeast strain at lower at a lower at lower and hence colder lager fermentation temperature. That generally combines our crisp lager finish with amplified hops. I can taste some seriously amplified hops that much.
Speaker 6
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And here's the thing. So it's cold and IPL or whatever it is. And I hear the word lager in there. They're trying to be a lager, just be a lager. Like that's it's as simple as that. Don't.
Speaker 4
Yeah, 100.
Speaker 5
Percent this is this.
Speaker 4
Is not a lager some of the.
Speaker 3
I love this.
Speaker 4
Ones at the top edge.
Speaker 3
This is the most emotional beer review we've had.
Speaker 5
Spin effects the.
Speaker 4
Spin effects. That's the spin effects F88 lager that was awesome.
Speaker 6
Yeah. OK. So I you know, I'm a big advocate for be yourself. Yeah. Be who you wanna be. But if this beer wants to be the way it is, unfortunately, no, that's don't. Don't be you, because this tastes like ****.
Speaker 3
So. So we wrote out a 10 year what? What do you what would you give that for it?
Speaker 4
Yeah. So.
Speaker 6
Like, I certainly wouldn't buy it. Look, I don't know. I I'm not gonna make it. Your your worst ever beer. But like, it's it's getting a maximum 4 for.
Speaker 3
Quite expensive too.
Speaker 4
No, it's definitely not, but.
Speaker 6
Me look.
Speaker 3
Yeah. So it's not a 50. Percent because I've.
Speaker 6
No, no, no mate, this isn't passing.
Speaker 3
No, not passing, not a secret.
Speaker 4
Cause I've had a few of these that that is the thing for me is we had the double box last week. This is.
Speaker 5
Yeah.
Speaker 4
Not. Not as bad as the. Double box? Yeah, so.
Speaker 6
No, and and look, I've just had another sip like this is you and I are former teachers. If a student sort of turned in. Their work as. The equivalent of this beer I'd be like you put zero effort into this. I wouldn't say it out loud. Be like this is ****. But you know you're not far off. Like if you just put just.
Speaker 3
Keep trying harder.
Speaker 6
You just do 10 minutes of homework. You might get there. That's where I've got this beer. I'll give it a.
Speaker 4
Four. Yeah. Look, it's better than the double Bock, but I'm seeing something like the killers and the magic juice. I don't think it's as better than magic juice. So give it a four. I think Corey hit the nail on the head.
Speaker 6
There we go. Yeah.
Speaker 4
Don't.
Speaker 3
The. Yeah, it's fairness. A lot of this has to do with the. Artwork, I think.
Speaker 4
Yeah. Scott, Scott is really drawn to a shiny can and then he reads it and goes ohh, that's at 11% beer. I'm like, wow.
Speaker 3
I'm a sucker. I'm a sucker for ohh.
Speaker 6
Yeah, no advertisers get me with shiny like bright colours, shiny objects like I'm a simple.
Speaker 2
Yes.
Speaker 6
Man. Yeah, but yeah, if you ever, if ever I come back, you know, always happy to come on the pod if ever I come. If ever you invite well that's what I was gonna say this this might be an absolute crack.
Speaker 3
Love you back. Well, depending on how this goes, see how.
Speaker 4
Maybe you can replace me and then if you.
Speaker 3
Can deal with.
Speaker 5
Scott, everyone could.
Speaker 6
Be. An absolute train wreck, but if I do come back, can I request a swan draught? I I just wanna sit here with you boys. Yeah, and have a swander.
Speaker 4
Come with that.
Speaker 3
100% we will note down a swan draught and we'll hold that until you come back.
Speaker 4
This like. If we can accommodate cost. And his gluten free beer, we can accommodate for.
Speaker 6
Yeah, yeah. And and here's the thing, bit Swan drafter now doing cans as we know and beer out of the can is so much better than beer out of a bottle.
Speaker 4
There's a swan draught we had.
Speaker 3
Ohh perfect. I like it, yeah.
Speaker 4
I like beer out of a glass more than beer out of a bong.
Speaker 3
Ohh yeah, beer on a tap wins it. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6
It goes yes, it goes. Tap, obviously can bottle just distant last, yeah.
Speaker 3
Yeah, yeah. We've gone, we're going with that now we'll flip back to you. And then because Novak has some questions written down, here's the question, man, he's our interviewer. I'm here. I just. I sit back and I go. Yep. Yep. Yep. Cool. Yeah, he does something. Don't worry. We have a great segment coming up after this called Question Time where that's when.
Speaker 6
Yeah, I love that. But you see chimes? Yeah, you chime in when you can.
Speaker 3
I take over. Yeah. Like and, that's when some serious stuff happens.
Speaker 4
Yeah, yeah, love this. So you touched a few points. Wanna bring up, but obviously. Family. Very important to you, Father Wally. Mother in brother Glen. Obviously northern suburbs in Perth. Sport was a big thing for you.
Speaker 6
He's done his.
Speaker 4
Yeah, I I do, mate. So this is the big thing I've proclaimed for him to do his research on his tips. I have to do mine. So obviously you mentioned sort of growing up. Sport was a big thing for you, you know.
Speaker 5
Great.
Speaker 3
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4
Obviously cricket, you've had North Beach, you got surrendered on Craig. Yeah, the footy. I tried to get some stats on your brand and I were talking and it's like it's very hard to get your old stats, so saw some Serrano duncraig junior footy.
Speaker 7
Yeah.
Speaker 5
Ah. Club cricket cricket. Nah, no, because I looked on there.
Speaker 4
And the stats are all war. So tell us about your little sporting achievements as a kid because as a kid, well, just because like, I was a very, I had a lot of success as a junior. And then as soon as I hit.
Speaker 3
Anyway.
Speaker 4
Adults, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3
You can inserting something to the floor.
Speaker 4
Yeah, as soon as I hit adult, I just lost the ability to win a flag in any shape or form.
Speaker 3
So you're different to him because you as an adult, you want flags.
Speaker 5
We're all well.
Speaker 6
Fortunately for me, it was the other way around. They're all superstars. The older we get, the better we got back.
Speaker 5
Yeah.
Speaker 6
Plan. So it's Karine Junior Football club for my sweet. Yeah. Are you a Korean man? There you go. I remember dulcy. You remember Craig Dalton? He was the president when I was there. And.
Speaker 4
Respect. Life member life member mate. Yes. Ocean Ridge ones coach at the moment, Craig Dalton.
Speaker 6
Yes, yeah, yeah. The dog dog, you know he can't we we can't all be perfect, can we? No, we can't. No. So I was a Korean junior footy club player because I grew up in Duncraig. So you know, close. Club surrendered Duncraig cricketer as a junior. Yep, I look like I can pretty much can quite easily summarise my my junior days. I read the game really well in fact, like yeah, it's it's hard to say good things about yourself but. I think that was my probably my strength as a footballer, right up until I had to stop playing. Yeah, was reading the game so I read the game very well. As a kid, I grew super late. I hit puberty probably last week. Yeah.
Speaker 4
So I was the reverse, which was I I was. I went ruckman to win him one year.
Speaker 5
Yeah.
Speaker 6
It was upsetting, so probably up until the age of, say 12 maybe 13, I was think it was a good little footballer and then found it really, really hard like ragdoll. Everywhere, all the way through, all the way through, you asked me about my biggest achievement as a junior. Like I remember making West Perth representative sides. Which. Obviously just had to rely on skill, skill and reading the games so.
Speaker 3
You can get there.
Speaker 6
Yeah. Throughout Colts and stuff. But yeah, I I got. Yeah, I actually, when I hit 17, that was the first year that I got osteitis pubis. Had it again 18. And yeah, hated the game.
Speaker
Yeah. Oh.
Speaker 4
Well, when you when you can't play the way you know you can play, it's very, very frustrating.
Speaker 3
Isn't it funny though, with something like OP? Back then it was such a big thing, and now it's so it doesn't exist.
Speaker 4
Running is very important.
Speaker 6
For man.
Speaker 4
The biggest. Ever. Yeah. Not now.
Speaker 6
Do you know what I reckon? And that's because they just managed players so much better. So I, as somebody that grew, so a joke that hit puberty last week, it was realistically, I was probably like was genuinely probably like a good seventeen. Yeah, I was a real late bloomer. Maybe. Yeah. 16 and half 17. And it and it was. And it was took a long time. I kid that slight.
Speaker 5
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6
Shouldn't be running is like so I was when I was with West Perth was four times a week with your, you know your recoveries and stuff. So kid that's like I don't think should be doing the and everyone just did the same thing which is fine. That's what it was at the time. So yeah it got to the point at 18 I said to mum I was like I hate this game.
Speaker 3
Yeah.
Speaker 6
Which is, you know, deep down like footy is my it's at my core. I love it is the best game ever. I said to mum, hey, this game I'm not playing. She goes Oh yeah. No, I understand. Like it's been hard. Why don't you go down to your local club where a few of your mates have gone and really good relationship with my mom. So, like as emotional. You know, I can't remember the specific emotions, but I would have been a kid saying no, not not doing it, but as emotional as it was. I was like, yeah. Well, Mum Mum's a Ripper. I listened to her. I went down to North Beach. Yeah, and Mum said a lot of things to me in my life. But honestly, it's it's probably been the most important part of my life. North Beach and night one I met. Bill, Bill Duckworth and.
Speaker 2
Good.
Speaker 6
So that was a a Tuesday on the Thursday. So I was training was OK on the Thursday. I arrived at training and Bill. Came up to me, said hello, Mark, how are you going? Like remembered. My name is. Is what I'm getting at and said hey Mark, how you going? How's the groynes? Which out of context you know that that's.
Speaker
Yeah.
Speaker 6
A weird question.
Speaker 5
Yeah, that, but.
Speaker 6
Bill knew Bill knew immediately and remembered immediately what I was going through.
Speaker 3
Yeah, that's I. Have the well, not the OP, not the same so.
Speaker 1
But with bill.
Speaker 4
It does have the sore groyne though.
Speaker 3
Yeah, that's where different, that's.
Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah. As I was saying, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3
Where different reason. I've got two kids and I do it myself. I don't.
Speaker 4
Snips.
Speaker 3
Know you know that. I got the same story about Bill, where the first night I went down there training and we went with a group of group mates and same thing.
Speaker 5
Yeah.
Speaker 3
He was like ohh how right came up to you at 1st and was like how are you? What's your name? Like Brownie was like Oh yeah, cool. And then next from then on. Yeah. Hey, brownie. How even if I go down this weekend, he'll come up and be like, brownie, how are you? Yeah, he'll what a man.
Speaker 4
Yeah, I've had some good chats with him and he prides himself on that stuff and he used to go home and write everyone's name down much like what I do and how he remembers, but.
Speaker
Yeah.
Speaker 3
That's one the other.
Speaker 6
That makes him the great man that he is. The other thing that happened on that Thursday, that second session is I did however much work I did can't. Well, I I was last one of the last to leave. I was walking to the car park and this this guy came up to me and said how did you go for? How did you go Mark? I don't think. Four he had. Coined. Yeah, that was from years later. How you go, Mark, you know, how's the session? And I turned around, and honestly, it was as it was like I saw, like Ben Cousins or Chris Judd. It was. It was Bo with rich and you know it, it's something I'll never forget. I was.
Speaker 3
Yeah. Great me.
Speaker 6
Doing a little bit of work, I'm doing a little bit of work at the moment with Bo's mum who is a marriage celebrant like as am I.
Speaker 3
Yes.
Speaker 6
And I I told her that. And I I said it's just there's moments in your life you don't forget, and I must have been at a point which is. Pretty tough. The other thing Novak is you asked, like, how was I as a junior being ragdoll and like, not growing? I I then was not dominating. Seems like I did when I was 1011 or 12. Sorry, I should say dominating but not, you know, playing well and just you get used to, you know, getting the ball all the time. I've hardly got the ball and found it hard. And I suddenly thought I was nothing. I was like I'm I'm a ship footballer and that's that's the way it is.
Speaker 3
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6
So yeah, it was for those guys to, you know, this guy who's played for Essendon and is now at the top of this club, I'm going to and the captain of the club. I can't remember if he was the captain yet. But this senior player.
Speaker 3
We've been close to, yeah.
Speaker 6
I was like I belong and and belonging is that. That is why North Beach has been the most important part. To me, it's because I belonged, yeah.
Speaker 4
Yeah, you're preaching. Yeah, of course you can.
Speaker 3
Can I ask a quick North Beach question I read somewhere because now that mentioned off the top there that we looked for stats and we couldn't find stats. I actually tried for the intro yeah, but I did find something and I don't know whether it was a a old Perth Footy League post. Did you kick six in a grand final?
Speaker 6
No, no, no. So yeah, sorry.
Speaker 4
You meant to say yes, the answer and. That is always.
Speaker 3
Yes, I mean it's Wembley, you smash Wembley. I thought it was grandpa. Was it a final?
Speaker 6
Cancel that. No. Ohh yeah yeah, I kicked. I kicked six against Wembley, but it wasn't a final. I kicked. I I thought the game might have been talking about. I've played in two grand finals, Trinity Aquinas. We kicked 6 as a team. I I kicked 3. But you know what? I kicked. I kicked.
Speaker 3
It wasn't a final OK. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's after school. Know were they. Were they in one quarter cause I kicked four and. 1/4 one, so I just. Thought I'd put that in.
Speaker 4
And then you got how many touches for. The rest of the.
Speaker 3
Game my job was done.
Speaker 5
I kicked three goals 4/4.
Speaker
Oh wow.
Speaker 6
And one and one out in the full so.
Speaker
So.
Speaker 3
What position were you playing?
Speaker 6
Well, do you know what that day that was 20. That was 2013, I think. Yeah, it was. And Michael Pratt played me out of the cage full forward, he. On the day it was this, I had, I loved that season and I suppose I, another great man, David Hines. You know what I like? I will. I'll sort of try and do this quickly, but I I at 18, I thought I was really not much. I played Colts at North Beach. I was like, I was OK. I was.
Speaker 7
Nice.
Speaker 1
Yeah.
Speaker 6
That's fine, I'll. Growing first you senior 40 amazing and then I loved it and I had become. I was like, Yep, I'm a three player like that's it like that's where I'm at and so accept it and trying to have fun and I had so much fun and it's funny how well I played because I was having fun. And then came and and honestly like hand on. Heart this is. One of the most important moments of my life. And I told him this actually last week I saw David Hines at the Eagles reunion. Yeah. Yeah, then.
Speaker 3
Yeah, the all the boys.
Speaker 4
I'll get to that a bit later on as well. There's something to bring.
Speaker 6
Only 430 year. Up there. But yeah, keep going. And David Hines was there. He was North Beach as senior coach. I was playing fairies, I was happy and really enjoying my food. Under Cancun, yeah, that we love the the Cancun. It was also fantastic guy.
Speaker 3
Love the cake? Love the cake. He was my freeze coach as well. I played tennis like this one.
Speaker 6
And look, I'd. Yeah, I'd played well. I'd kicked a few goals. I got just kicking goals every week and stuff, but just loving it and loving the guys around me and I can't remember. I think it was. Yeah, I played five games of threes because that's the only way I qualified, which I'll tell you. And I get this. It was actually Michael Pratt who pulled me aside and said, who I didn't know either. He was the Two's coach and I was like, oh, my God, I was like, oh, my God, it's pretty. And he goes, hey, mate, I'm this is after three game, he goes, I'm letting you know, like you'll be with me next week. I was like, Oh my God. Are you serious? Like, Are you sure? Like, you've got the wrong guy.
Speaker 3
The great man. Pretty yeah.
Speaker 6
He goes no, and actually just wait here cause Heinz he wants to speak to. You I was. Like what? Like what do you mean?
Speaker 3
It Roth.
Speaker 6
Anyway, David Hines comes up and he says Ohh sorry mate. Thanks for coming out Pratt. He's going to play you. We're going to play there for two weeks and then you with me for the rest of the year. And I was like. What? What are you? What do you? What do you mean? What? Are. You talking about? Yeah. And in that conversation, he told me that I read the game well, that I fit the way he wants. And he said that I can be good. And I was like. Yeah, I I I somebody believed in me when I hadn't believed in myself for a long time. And I will never forget my first game. He put me as, as, as best I kick like I kicked four. It was. It was a dream man. Like, it felt like I was. You know, I I knew I was never gonna play it.
Speaker 3
It's pretty handy. Yeah.
Speaker 6
Well, yeah, but for me, playing for North Beach in the A grade is.
Speaker 3
He's still a pretty high level.
Speaker 4
A big thing.
Speaker 6
And and he said for you like you're still he just. He said it in front of the team. He's like your story is awesome, man. But yeah. When he was with me by myself. He said I I believe in you and I believe that you are a good little footballer and you it was just I said it to him last week. It was the most one of the most important moments of my life because I I've never believed in myself and somebody else did. And look what happened like it was it was just great.
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3
Love. Love that.
Speaker 4
Yeah. Awesome. So we're going to shift sandwich this thing. So this is how I roll.
Speaker 6
Good man, yeah.
Speaker 4
So obviously we've had. The good stuff. Now we're gonna go to the not so great stuff. So I was playing. Sick grade on the smaller Oval and you were playing on the on the bigger Oval and there was an incident sort of on the field that's really basically changed your life. And for me it's a really interesting cause I've had. I've been knocked out. I've had concussions before, but this, like, I vaguely saw what happened and that from what I saw.
Speaker 6
Ohh no. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5
Hmm.
Speaker 4
For the outcome that you can talk about in a second, it just blows my mind and it goes to show you how you're not so much your. Football longevity. But your life can just change in a heartbeat. So you've had personal stuff that's changed for heartbeat, your life, you. I've had the same and it's just like one of those things where touch wood. I'm still lucky to still be going out there. Yeah, you and you, unfortunately are not. Do you wanna just talk a bit about the OR what sort of happened briefly and then sort of what you had to go through to get to a stage where you sort of are now and your back is your. The normal self.
Speaker 1
Because there was a.
Speaker 3
Lot that happened over that period.
Speaker 6
Wasn't it? Yeah. No. Yeah, there was. And the only thing I would say, I think Novak with that is unfortunately I don't think I I am my normal self it's it's interesting and I will get there. But.
Speaker
Yeah.
Speaker 4
Yeah.
Speaker 6
Look quite simply, I mean. Look, if we don't laugh. Or cry, so feel free.
Speaker 5
To laugh at this because I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 6
I was Falcons.
Speaker 4
Yeah. So I and I think many others at the time, I've not been paying attention. The ball came in sort of. Minor deflection off hands and.
Speaker 6
That was the problem. Look. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4
You looking sort of into the sun and. The point of. The ball hit you right in the.
Speaker 1
So so is it.
Speaker 4
Forehead from A50 mate. Mind you. Yeah. And so, yeah, no, it it, it was a huge kick and it had momentum and those balls are heavy and it hit.
Speaker 3
Ohh was it so it wasn't like a soccer? Yeah. And the point.
Speaker 6
You flush and so it was a case of wrong place, wrong time, wrong angle. Everything was wrong. It was two or three minutes in the first quarter. We played with new Footies that didn't help. It was a damp day. Yeah, the fella the Scarborough.
Speaker 4
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 6
Like through throwing his fists back to try and prevent, I was sliding down real low. Yeah. And he's throwing his fist back. Skimmed off his knuckles, and instead of going in the bread basket hit me flush. On. I'll, I'll say it quick. I went. I knew I had lost consciousness for a short bit. I'd had a few. I'd had a lot of concussions before, unfortunately.
Speaker 4
The rag dolling, when you're a junior. I'm. Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you know?
Speaker 3
Exactly right.
Speaker 6
What's happening exactly? Right. And so I went off, now the the biggest. I think it's the. Yeah, I think it's still the biggest regret of my life is what I did in the next 20. Next 10 minutes. Is it happened? I was out. I was coming back and Keithy was helping me off. I was bleeding from the nose. And I was like. And I remember thinking, you've been Comcast, we we know it and this is, you know, five years ago where it was at the start of this. Yeah, you must you've been playing good footy you must must.
Speaker 3
Yes.
Speaker 4
Get back out. Don't let the team down.
Speaker 6
There. To keep it going. Yeah. It was more so to get back to that ones team. I've been playing good footy. Scotty Holbrook was the coach of the Twos. And I was like, you gotta get you. You're about to. Scotty's talking about getting back out there, you know, you gotta get get back out there. You can't just miss the rest of the game. And so I sat on the bench and I the distinct memory was alright. You know, take two minutes. But you know what's coming. It's the simple test. They're going to give you 3 words. Two are going to be related ones going to be different. Remember the different one. That's all I was thinking. Remember the different. And and so sure enough, 5 minutes later they do the test and I pass it. And because of that, probably I was just so focused on doing it, I couldn't see straight. I couldn't. Yeah. And and I, I do remember one thing is when the doctor said or the physio said to Scotty. Yeah, he he's. Good to go back on and they were both perplexed. They were like, Are you sure that the?
Speaker 4
Yeah. Dude can't walk as a coach. I'm a safe coach and you know when someones. Yeah. Cast. Yeah. And you have a duty of care to say. I don't care to sit down. It's OK.
Speaker 1
Cool. Yeah.
Speaker 6
Yeah. Yeah, and and I the reason look, there are so many things we can talk about. The reason I'm talking about this one sort of in depth is because I never want anyone to do this. It's the biggest regret in my life. Yeah, I passed that test. I went back on and as I was running out there, I was involved in a little contest. I don't think there was much. I don't think there was.
Speaker 4
It's OK.
Speaker 6
A hit or physical contact? Right. But as I was running away from it, I then describe it as a collapsing kaleidoscope so I could see had a circle of vision as we all do. And then it started collapsing from the outside in. It got very blurry. It got very sharp. And then suddenly it all collapsed and I fell to the ground from no from no contact. And that's when I was like, oh, something's wrong here. So it went off. I'm obviously done for the game, got assessed and then they called. I think Mum is away, so called my at the time. Girlfriend, we went to the hospital. They cleared me. They didn't want to scan. They don't like scanning young people and very young. To be honest, I kind of mean like 30-5 or forty 4500.
Speaker 3
Because you what you mid 20.
Speaker 6
I was 27 and.
Speaker 4
Yeah, I've had one scan. I got knocked out. I was out for three minutes, so I went and tried to mark the ball and I marked it. And the blokes came in and cracked. Hit me on the point of the jaw and I and I was out before I hit the ground and I landed on my shoulder, popped my shoulder out at the same time and I was out for three minutes. So I I was basically I I can't. I was on the.
Speaker 6
Yeah, yeah. OK, good luck.
Speaker
Yeah. Put the plastic.
Speaker 6
That's really dangerous. That's.
Speaker 4
Journey in the foyer of the Northwest Football Club, the old one. The brick, the red brick **** out and I came to and I was like the undertaker. I got up. I got up. I had complete recollection of everything that happened. I felt fine. I got off the Gurney and I was walking out and everyone.
Speaker 3
Yeah. Ohh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5
So.
Speaker 4
Lost their minds. They came and grabbed and choked me back on. I went to hospital. I had a scan. The reason I had to scan was so I hadn't eaten all day and I was so so hungry and my shoulder was in a bad way. So they gave me some green whistle for the pain. Yeah, I've smashed the same.
Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4
Boom. Straight up. She came that way. Off you go for off you go for a scan and they go. No, you're fine. And the only thing was I was out like 8 weeks with the shoulder. But the concussion I was fine.
Speaker 6
Ohh the throwing up yeah.
Speaker 3
Blows my mind that you went back on anyway. You were. I didn't. I did not know that.
Speaker 6
Yeah, yeah. Ohh look.
Speaker 3
Part of the story. But yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 2
So that's the. My.
Speaker 6
Biggest regret, and unfortunately we can't quantify the damage I did. We never know. I should have just sat there, you know, and.
Speaker 7
Yeah.
Speaker 5
Yeah.
Speaker 6
And just, you know, try to recover but.
Speaker 3
You were sent home from a scan.
Speaker 6
Yeah, 333.
Speaker 3
No, no scan. Sorry you're sending? Yeah.
Speaker 6
Three times I was sent home from the hospital, so I went there. It was a Saturday, obviously. Went back on the Sunday night, really headaches and just didn't feel good. Sent home again. They delayed concussion and then I went back on the Wednesday. I went to work at the school we were at. You weren't there. Yeah, brownie, but.
Speaker
You know.
Speaker 4
You've been a much better.
Speaker 6
Place by the sunshine and rainbows. Yeah, kids were well.
Speaker 3
Well, what you what? You, you and Michael Duck were? Don't show on a rainbow.
Speaker 6
Me and Michael Douglas? Yeah, we hadn't sorted. We had it. We ran a strict Topper there. Yeah. So anyway, Long story short, I went back again. They sent me home. That was seven days later. My doctor. Private doctor. Sorry. Family Doctor ordered a scan. She said, look, they're probably right. But let's check just in case. And they found a bleed on the brain at the back. So at the at the time they so that scan was ten. Yeah. And at that time, it was a four mil bleed.
Speaker
Seven days later.
Speaker 6
You know, it's hard to quantify, but sort of I guess 8 or 9, seven or eight or nine meals, maybe they'll put the drill through your head to relieve the pressure.
Speaker 1
Yeah.
Speaker 6
Sort of emergency stuff so.
Speaker 4
You were basically what could be a minute hit away from a really.
Speaker 6
Bad wife. Yeah. Yeah, I was. And I try and look at it to feel lucky. Because Trav varcoe's sister. It's basically the exact same thing she she died. And yeah, I yeah, it was really hard. And so yeah, over the next it's been five years now. I have dealt with some things and not others. I had a realisation probably last year in fact. It was, yeah, it was like two years ago. 18 months ago when I was coaching. Yeah, and I I played, I played a game. I was now I'm never allowed to play again. Yeah, and I.
Speaker
Fine.
Speaker 6
You know, training the boys and running being in that environment again and I hadn't dealt with this mentally. I didn't realise how important football was to me. I knew I loved it, but I didn't realise how important and the club.
Speaker 4
And going to say it's not so much the game, it's the mateship, the.
Speaker 6
Just. Correct.
Speaker 4
And the family. And you know, I've got some stuff coming up in the next few weeks and you know, I'm gonna have to do. Some speeches which I really don't like. And it's literally, I don't wanna roll out cliches and I don't wanna sound like Vin Diesel, but that's what it's like.
Speaker 6
Yeah. Yeah. Well, the place to be honest, the place.
Speaker 1
Just.
Speaker 6
Perhaps save my life as a 20 year old. Yeah. And and and it became my life. And yeah, I played. And I I you know, there were people that people that care about me.
Speaker 4
You're lucky I wasn't there. I would have. Lost my absolute ****.
Speaker 6
Yeah. And somebody did. I don't know whether to to name, name him. And it came from a good place. And I I love him dearly. And I he loves me dearly, but he he was really, really, really upset with me. And I was. I was actually in tears during that week because I realised that I basically. And some people might think this is silly, but I I realised this only six months ago. I've gone through a lot of personal work. When you lose something that you love, you must deal with it. And so this actually stems from about everything. So in my life. The three biggest things have been my dad's like losing my dad.
Speaker 5
Yeah.
Speaker 6
Losing football. Yeah. And losing a partner. Yeah. And I'm not talking about death through a partner, even as even a broken relationship. And that that's the same with anybody, like divorce or whatever. When you lose something you love you, you gotta deal with it. And if you don't, what happened to me will happen. Where I was in this position. I'm like no. Hey, man, I've I've gotta. I wanna play footy like I I need this. Blah blah and yeah, it's sort of it spoke to me that I sorry. It highlighted that I need to deal with that. Having lost something I love. I love and I probably lost multiple things. I love footy and I love. North Beach, yeah. And yeah, for whatever reason, just watching on and coaching wasn't enough. Yeah.
Speaker 4
And sometimes you gotta remove yourself from a situation where you have to take a step back. Think of the picture and go. I'm putting myself at risk here. And if I don't trust myself to do the right thing by myself, I need to remove myself from the temptation. So it's kind of like you're an addict and you're like, football was my addiction. I need cold Turkey.
Speaker 5
Yeah.
Speaker 4
Right from this.
Speaker 3
Speaking of that, you tried to go down work in the bar, didn't you? And you couldn't. Yeah, it didn't. It just wasn't for you.
Speaker 4
Yeah.
Speaker 6
Correct. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. This. I mean, this was before that coaching scene. I stayed away from the place for.
Speaker 3
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6
A year? Not because, yeah. Yeah. And I went down to the bar fully, man. He was so great. He was like, hey, man, just. Pop behind the bar, come in some.
Speaker 4
Another legend, yes.
Speaker 6
Yeah, he's like, come do some work. He I mentioned to him how how much I was struggling and I actually didn't really expect it, but I stood at the top of the the chase at North Beach at Charles Island. I looked at where it happened for the first time and I. Was like no. Yeah. No, I don't want it. I can't. I can't be here. Honestly, can't be here.
Speaker 3
I wasn't ready yet. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6
UM. So yeah, it was really hard. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4
The only other thing I wanna touch on the subject is I'm very fascinated by the darkness, because me and cost talked about Aaron Rodgers a lot and Aaron Rodgers, obviously an NFL footballer quarterback. He's an all time great. He changed teams for the first time this Chris snapped his Achilles on the 4th player this season, right, which is a huge thing. They've invested all this money.
Speaker 6
Yeah.
Speaker 3
You know that film, man, aren't you, huh?
Speaker 4
To him.
Speaker 6
Not really, no, no. I like I like roughly, but. I don't know.
Speaker 4
And he basically, when he was deciding what he wanted to do, he went and had quiet time in the darkness. And when I hear about that, I know you went through some light darkness. So I just wanna know because it's. I. I'm there. I hopefully touch what I don't wanna experience. But I just wanna know about just describe it because I think I would lose my absolute mind having to do what you have to go.
Speaker 3
Oh oh.
Speaker 6
That you went through? Yeah. And I'll tell you now, I also have a. HD. Yeah, I need to be doing something constantly. Yeah. So when they.
Speaker 4
So that might have been the worst place on the planet for. Yeah, that's like we're talking waterboarding. We're talking.
Speaker 6
Yeah.
Speaker
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6
Yeah, yeah, they found the bleed and and like Long story short, I I sort of liken it to a muscle injury, right? What do you do when you first tear a muscle? You don't use it for the first few for the first week or something, whatever or you or a broken bone or your broken bone. You know, you keep it neutralised. Well.
Speaker 2
Ah.
Speaker
Yes.
Speaker 6
Same thing as the brain though, like your brain is cooked at the moment. We need to. We need to reset this. I was like, OK, what do I need to do? And they were like we needed to, like, lay in a dark room for two days. I was like, OK, easy like, fine.
Speaker 3
Get out.
Speaker 4
Yeah.
Speaker 6
He was like no TV. I was like, OK, not not as fine, but that's fine. I'll listen to podcasts like. No, no, no, you can't use your brain like you need to. Just not use your brain. I was like, what do you mean? So yeah, I had to lay there in a dark room to try. And yeah, not use that, you know.
Speaker 1
Yeah.
Speaker 6
In inverted commas, muscle in the brains, not a muscle. But to not use it to to start that recovery. No, that's not good.
Speaker 4
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3
Man, it's no kill me, so yes.
Speaker 4
Kill me. It would.
Speaker 5
On to on to better things now.
Speaker
Don't get me.
Speaker 4
Basically, obviously I know I'll. I'll go quick. I'll go quick, but I'll go quick on a couple of things. So your father was an all time great broadcasting like 4 Olympics, 5 Commonwealth Games, Australian opens cricket. He did the works right? So obviously he wasn't home a lot as a kid. I can sort of.
Speaker 3
There's so much we could talk about. We gotta keep moving. We we have, we have to have you back on and drink some sunny days.
Speaker 6
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4
Relate to that, but you could still sort of see him and listening and have a connection with him. So obviously he's one of the biggest influences on your life, has sort of pointed you in the direction of where you are today. What was his biggest advice to you to get you to where you are today on how to make you a successful broadcaster?
Speaker
Oh.
Speaker 6
And.
Speaker 4
And I'm sure a lot of it's just Dad talk, but when you sort of think back like he must have given you something that's gone, this is.
Speaker 6
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Alright, so. I want to be like Dad, so a couple of things to address that. First of all, super you were, I don't blame you for making the assumption you did that he wasn't around as much and mum and I we. And and and my brother can't believe this. He was constantly around. We were like.
Speaker 1
There, there.
Speaker 6
How did you? Do how did you do the amount of things you did? And I still felt like you were constantly with me, like he's coaching my teams like my junior teams. Whatever. He's drive me to training.
Speaker 4
Yeah. He was there all the time.
Speaker 6
So quick. Yeah. Like that's a slight clarification, but. His biggest advice, you know, this is what frustrates me the most. I think about losing Dad. I was 14. Is that I never got to know him as an adult. I really wish I could with the emotional maturity to talk about some more important things. To be honest, I can.
Speaker 4
Yeah.
Speaker 6
1. The the best way I can answer your question is not something he. Told me. But. But what he did? Yeah, he was kind to people and he had time for people. Basically, when I I'm told that, you know, I'm talking here to you saying I felt he always had time for me. Yeah, I guess you'd hope that as your son but not everybody gets that every single person I meet they're like ohh whenever we talk to him. It's like I was the only one in the room. Yeah. And I'm like, well, that's cool. And so, Brandy, this is something I did at school and mum. Mum came to visit me when I was living in ex mouth and I was I was doing some teaching there. I was in my recovery year. And there were some kids that. Came up. Because account is a small town, we were out at dinner with the family and account small town and it it is a little bit different. Like it's a community rather than, you know, school and the kids were saying hi. And I was talking to them and they walked away. Mum was like, that's what your dad did. I was like what?
Speaker 3
Yeah.
Speaker 6
She was like you. Were just talking to them and they were the only ones that mattered. It's like, well, yeah, you just you you say that like you addressed them they they're talking to you. They've gone out their way. Talk to me or do that. So I guess that's what I took from Dad.
Speaker 3
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6
The and and again like download a personal work trying not to turn the the the the podcast into a philosophy.
Speaker 4
It's OK. We've got a lot of crap to come, so this is good stuff.
Speaker 3
You know what this is the greatest because it's, you know, it's men's mental health work, so this is perfect. So keep going.
Speaker 2
Yeah. Hey, there you go.
Speaker 6
Yeah. Well, well, the thing about Dad is. Probably for 30, I'll say for 31 years of my life. I'm 32 now for 31 years of my life he was perfect. He was. Sorry to use your nickname, but he was. My Jesus, yeah. He was the he was the person I want to be like and everything about him was perfect. Now this became dangerous for me. In fact, it's been dangerous my whole life and I haven't known that until recently because the word perfect has has has played a a really negative role in my. Life dad achieved so much that anything I tried to do was not good enough.
Speaker 4
This I've got sort of coming into that. So obviously working into your broadcasting area, you're gonna have haters. You're out there now. You're saying before there's all this video footage of you're doing your job and they're gonna see your name. And I'm gonna, like, into you sort of Zander Maguire. It's not the same, but it's the same. Same but different. Like. Yeah, he has a job. He looks like his dad. He sounds like his job.
Speaker 6
OK. Yeah.
Speaker
OK.
Speaker 4
The same network his dad works for? Yeah, everyone's going to be like, well, what? Gee, I know how he got the job and obviously. He's obviously worked very hard. I find him a very good journalist and he does very good work. You're much the same where it's like, obviously, your dad was obviously an all time great and it's like, well, like, Gee, I guess I know how he got that job sort of thing, not knowing the full story and just judging you before they know you like we know you must be tough. Yeah. How do you deal with that? Where obviously it's a different world.
Speaker 3
Yeah, but you did the hard, hard, hard hards.
Speaker 4
Now there's peanuts galore. Social social media.
Speaker 5
Wizards and areas.
Speaker 6
Yeah, the warriors, yeah.
Speaker 4
Everywhere. Yeah. And like, how do you sort of deal with that when, as you said, you've gone through a lot of development and self doubt when? You know, I'm not a big social media person. I don't like it. I don't get it. Doesn't resonate with me, but people love it. It's your job. How do you deal with it?
Speaker 6
Hmm. Yeah. OK, so this this, I suppose is at the basis of why I only went into media at 30. So there were two reasons why I waited so long and and you know what, I'm actually grateful. Like I met people. I got to I I knew you at Footy Brownie, but I got to know you so much better when I was working with you as a teacher. Some of my closest mates are from my time as a teacher. I learned some amazing things. I I didn't go straight into it because I. Basically it was a I suppose it was an immature attitude towards it. It was well, Dad did that. So I'm going to do something different, right? I'm not going to try and do what he did. Yeah, and that was pretty Long story short. That was the attitude. It was never or I won't be as good as dad. It was. I'm going to do something different to Dad because I'm my own person. So the. And. That's quite that proved quite damaging, because when you'd love something so much like put that aside like I love sport. Yeah, I love sport. I love calling. And sure, maybe that happened because I went to work with Dad as a kid, but how many people do you know who do what their dad did, whether they're a brickie or whether they're an accountant?
Speaker 3
That's what you. Want I'll stay down inside. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6
For real estate agent that.
Speaker 4
Guarantee you I don't do it right. I did I. Can guarantee you you don't do it, no. Makes really strong gin and. I don't wanna touch.
Speaker
Yeah.
Speaker 3
And then in logistics, I'm not sure. I think all my brothers, yeah.
Speaker 4
Now my old man was a GM at Rio, right? So that's a pretty, fairly substantial job. He wasn't around when I grew up. He was over.
Speaker 3
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4
These my family was broken up when I was probably. 10 or. Yeah. And I never wanted or never wanted to be like that. And I. They were there that day.
Speaker 6
And that's also a common attitude. And so like, and that's so fine. Like, of course. And we are like our childhood, you know, for want of a better word, traumas often make us the people we are and.
Speaker 3
Yeah.
Speaker 4
Yes. 100%.
Speaker 6
And so I was 30 and I had pushed away clearly something I wanted to do my whole life for two reasons. One, because dad did it two because I wanted to I when I, when I did it, I didn't want to. But and I wanted to get in on my own accord. Yeah, I was in. I was at our school. Brown dog teaching science period 1/20/22 and I light bulb. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. My phone was going nuts, but I couldn't answer it, of course. We have our phones in the classroom, you know, in case. Kids. Kids go rogue. Yeah. Anyway, I'm so glad I didn't cause I wouldn't been able to get through. It was my mum eventually and lots of other people telling me that this guy, Russell Wolff, had died. Now, Russell was a really close family. Yeah. Yeah. And a really close family friend of mine. And I realised at that moment.
Speaker 4
Let's see. Yeah, another broadcaster.
Speaker 6
I was like, what are you doing? Yeah. If you like something or you're so passionate about it. Why are you waiting? Because you could drop dead and I should have learned that lesson three years earlier when I cooked my head. Yeah, but I didn't. And it was that moment, and I chased it. And you are right around, dog. This has been like, ohh, man.
Speaker 4
Yeah.
Speaker 6
There's been a slog. I I volunteered for about 6 months to try and get in at the ABC, got offered a two week job regionally, but working remotely.
Speaker 4
And you've done that, right? You've done Bunbury. You've done maraging you've done.
Speaker 6
Yeah, correct. I'd already I had already worked before I was a teacher for 18 months doing it. And so I was like, OK, here I am. I'm back. Let's do this now for the next 18 months, I pretended that I was doing what I wanted to do. Yeah, right. I'm in radio. I'm doing the right thing. And I was still steering away from sport because Dad did sport. But what do I love of the sport? And so the second light bulb moment, I moved. At the time, my partner and myself and my dog and our whole life to Albany to work on a radio show as a producer. Yeah, there wasn't. And there was another the second light bulb moment was when I found out that the sport presenter in Perth was departing. Yeah, and I was like, again, you idiot, I think that's.
Speaker 4
So yeah, what you're saying is it's it's your Gwyneth Paltrow moment. It's the sliding doors. It's like, do you get on the train and it turns to **** or do you get off the train? Well, your life goes even better.
Speaker 6
The job you want. Well, yeah, yeah. And and I. And so I was never in the running for that job. But I I knew I wanted that job. I was like, Oh my God. Like. What are you doing? Like you're 32 or you're 31 at the time. And so I actually that's the that's one of the hardest decisions I made. I moved back to Perth with no job I had. I was going through, you know, a few days after we moved back to Perth, we actually split up, so that was. Ridiculously hard. I found myself in this situation with no job, no house, and suddenly no partner and the the the direct.
Speaker 5
Lag. This line up big tracks right here.
Speaker 6
The direction you think it was a case of the direction you think your life is going suddenly changed, and that is that's not comfortable, but fast. Forward a year in a bit. And yeah, I've wound up. AT6PR.
Speaker 4
Landed on your.
Speaker 6
Feet. Yeah, I. And. And look, I I don't you know, I wanna be on it. I wanna be calling I wanna be hosting and stuff. But I'm a producer at the moment and I'm learning a lot and it's.
Speaker 4
And you're with some good people as well by the sounds I see you with and papley, I see David Mundy. I see them struggle, like, not only do they seem like good at their craft, they seem like good humans, which is the main thing.
Speaker 6
Ohh. Are. Good human. Ohh they are Adam. I I'm so grateful. Adam Papalia is.
Speaker 4
Yeah, he's one of the most underrated callers, I think in the country, he gets nowhere near enough praise.
Speaker 6
For his calling, so firstly I agree, and then secondly, he flies. So under the radar because his ego is non-existent.
Speaker 4
No social media presence, really at all.
Speaker 6
That that I he he's a great. He's just a good person and they're they're few and far between. So I'm grateful to have landed in that. To round out my answer to your question like I had to tell you about that journey, because no, I haven't. I've done that much volunteer work. Yeah, the job I have at the moment, somebody in the decision making process didn't know who dad was, which ultimately is actually what I wanted. That's actually what I wanted.
Speaker 4
That's even better for you. So you got it on merit, which is basically. You said you wanted about 5 minutes.
Speaker 6
Yeah. Yep. And and I am no longer intimidated. I'm no longer shying away from it because of Dad. I'm actually loving it because of Dad and I was like, I'm yeah, I I. The this is what I want to do and if if that's because you showed me the way, so be it, but here I am and I'm.
Speaker 3
And you know, I'd be pumped now. Yeah, I now, I don't wanna hurry up.
Speaker 6
I'm enjoying for you, which is nice.
Speaker 4
But.
Speaker 6
No, no, I think you need to.
Speaker 3
We, we we no we hey we have lots more as I said, we're gonna get you back for a swanny day, but you've got something important coming up. You've got a podcast like we are a podcast and we're happy to promote.
Speaker 4
Hurry up. This is sensor areas without the swearing.
Speaker 6
Let's do it.
Speaker 4
Yes, do tell.
Speaker
Ohh.
Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3
Other podcasts? If you want something go to the four, four, the 444, the 444, all About Football Podcast where it.
Speaker 5
The. 41. Ohh I get that wrong every time.
Speaker 3
Comes and upsy.
Speaker 2
Ohh yeah yeah.
Speaker 4
That's got a new.
Speaker 3
One so.
Speaker 5
After.
Speaker 3
You've got a podcast coming out. Discuss basically tell us everything. Tell us when. Tell us how to listen. Tell us all that I am listening.
Speaker
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3
I'm just gonna go toilet.
Speaker 5
The fact he's lasted this long, yeah.
Speaker 2
Very true by the line.
Speaker 6
I know well done. Brown dog. Look, look, look.
Speaker 3
I'm gonna get another beer and more.
Speaker 6
Put simply, it is like I was inspired by what I told you guys about. My journey. Playing footy, like my story, playing footy was more about the people than the game and so we've got the Olympic Games coming up and it was I just had this idea I wanted to chat to our Olympians but talk more about their journey. Yeah, and not you know how the body's feeling and. What they. Yeah. How's your phone like? Like, tell me about your struggle. Yeah. Like, tell me about what's important to you. And so that's what I did. I. Yeah, I pitched the idea.
Speaker 4
How's your form?
Speaker 2
Yeah.
Speaker 6
To a few people and really grateful that Will Schofield and his team at back chat were keen to to do it. That's awesome. So we called it the path to Paris and yeah, I think I think it's it's coming Wednesday that the first episode Wednesday week. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Will be released which is.
Speaker
Mouse.
Speaker 6
Yeah. Look, I'm not 100% sure which one they're going with first. We've we've got 10 different athletes. I love that we can hear.
Speaker 4
It alright. It's awesome. Flushing toilet in the background but everyone's got a story right? So I'm sure you got. Some rippers you? Yeah, giving away too many spoilers because obviously we want people to tune in what was what was your highlight, what was the best?
Speaker 6
No.
Speaker 4
Thing you got. Without ruining anything.
Speaker 6
No. Look, I will be honest, but but I think this is like a highlight, more of a personal highlight. So one of the people I spoke to, look, there's some names, there's some serious names like Jamie Dwyer, the best ever male hockey player to have ever play. The game Rochelle Hawkes, the most decorated female hockey player ever, played the Game 3 gold medals.
Speaker 4
Yeah.
Speaker 6
Nina Kennedy, who you know has a genuine gold medal chance. In fact, she's the world champion at the moment, but Alana Slater.
Speaker 4
Voucher. Yeah.
Speaker 6
And liveness. Oh, wow. Well done so.
Speaker 4
Gymnast.
Speaker 5
It's my fourth, Perth is so small, so when?
Speaker 3
He's like Rain Man. He's like Rain Man.
Speaker 4
I was working in gyms. We had a personal trainer, Jim Miller, who used to be a pole vaulter who used to train with Paul Burgess, who I believe that's Nina Kennedy's coach, off the top of my head. So his partner, Martine George, used to be Martine George used to be Alana Slaters coach. My.
Speaker 6
Yes, correct and.
Speaker 4
Perth and yeah, I do know a. Other things. Ohh not me this time. Yeah. And I've seen her. She's a very tight lady. What she does is absolutely mind blowing.
Speaker 5
Of all.
Speaker 6
Brown dogs spilled his beer. For those playing OK. Yeah, the reason, I mean, look, I I loved it all and I was telling you guys. Before the most important thing when you do these things is not what other people think, but like, what did you get from it? And for me, I just, I loved it. I had such good chats with them. Yeah, but this one was special because Dad played such a pivotal role in her life. When she was at waste.
Speaker 4
Yeah. Because your old man was the president.
Speaker 6
Of waste? Yeah, he was the the inaugural director. Yeah. So effectively the CEO, but. He played such a pivotal role in her support. And then on top of that, she lost her dad at 15. Yeah, and I lost my dad at 14 and.
Speaker 4
Yeah.
Speaker 6
Yeah, it was it. Was really it was a really emotional one, but but that that. Yeah, it's just one of.
Speaker 4
That's good.
Speaker 6
The moments that.
Speaker 4
Well, you've sold me. I'm tuning in so.
Speaker 3
Anytime I'm available anytime.
Speaker 4
He could talk about his four goals in one quarter, but he can also.
Speaker 3
For those one. So you know where.
Speaker 5
Talk about his snap.
Speaker 4
At West Coast, where?
Speaker 3
You know why?
Speaker 5
He walked sideways. You know when you snap.
Speaker 4
Goal you generally snap around the corner. Scott just kept walking sideways and snapped it over his shoulder and instead of curling it, he kicked it straight and it went 50 metres to the centre of the ground.
Speaker 6
Yes.
Speaker 3
Took so far. We've got lots we can talk about. It's funny, you were talking about a comeback, and I'm sure you played quite well. I played a comeback game last year. I kicked her goals.
Speaker 6
Love that though, right? You can see.
Speaker 3
Yeah, yeah, you're welcome. I did say. Yeah. And my wife took the child home at the time. I only had one. And it was like, and she was like, oh, you know what? You played footy. Stay. I was like, oh, sweet. Have some beers. I was like boys. I'm on. And this is about 3:30. It got to 5:00.
Speaker 4
Better. Yeah, but. Ah, he got a leave pass. Oh, OK.
Speaker 3
Just left and.
Speaker 4
I he's a he's a renowned smoke bomb fan.
Speaker 3
Yeah, this is at 5:00 PM, not 5:00 AM. I left and I just passed out and I got home and just was like, what are you doing? I was like, I need to go to bed. And I proceeded to.
Speaker 4
Of mine. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6
Yeah. No, I'm with that. Yep, Yep.
Speaker 3
Ship myself for three days so. Ah. Someones 400 is coming up and hey, it might happen again, but hey.
Speaker 5
Yeah. This is probably gonna be the longest.
Speaker 2
That was, yeah.
Speaker 5
Podcast ever. I love this, yeah.
Speaker 3
That's fine. That was worth that, but.
Speaker 4
We'll snip that and put that up on social for you so you can.
Speaker 3
Yes. Well, hey, all those questions were great. But now we get to the next level. Nothing.
Speaker 6
Talk to me.
Speaker 3
Nothing compares to this.
Speaker 7
Questions. Open up your mind. Let people know what you're thinking.
Speaker 3
Off. Man, that was good. It's one of my.
Speaker 7
1st.
Speaker 4
It wasn't one of his best.
Speaker 6
Like, yeah, I love taking the **** as much as the next guy, but that was actually OK. Like, have you ever sung?
Speaker 3
Thank you.
Speaker 4
Sorry. Before we don't, we don't need this. We don't need this. That's that's.
Speaker 3
That was actually one of my best. It's one.
Speaker 1
Of my best.
Speaker 3
Usually I was waiting, so usually what happens is it comes up monitoring on so then the music stops and I'm still. Singing didn't happen so.
Speaker 4
And that's when it gets worse, yeah.
Speaker 3
So here's I just bring a random question and we do we always ask a listener. We always ask a guest AQ question at the end. So yeah, I reckon I know where you're gonna go here and I don't. I don't think we've had this, but. What is the best chocolate bar now? I'm not talking chocolate block.
Speaker 6
You know exactly where I'm.
Speaker 3
I think because I think you and Michael Duckworth have arguments over this, do you not?
Speaker 6
No, I I thought you were followed. Do you? Do you follow my socials? Because I post about this bar regularly?
Speaker 3
Or maybe he's the one. To start with M. No. OK. So Duck Duckworth is a ohh so Duckworth is a Morro man. Is that right?
Speaker 4
Scott, start following the socials please.
Speaker 6
That doesn't surprise me. He's an absolute maniac tomorrow. That's one of the ones that is in the favourites box.
Speaker 3
Yeah. OK. OK, good. So so this is, yeah. Something like that.
Speaker 5
Do they? Do they even do bars? Tomorrow's you.
Speaker 3
Yeah. No, they don't mean they don't.
Speaker 6
In the favourites box you you don't need.
Speaker 4
It the only thing worse than tomorrow is a.
Speaker 2
What?
Speaker 4
Turkish delight? Yeah, they're.
Speaker 3
Like a poor man's Mars bar. So we'll start with, you know that because he's clearly got.
Speaker 6
They're down there as well, yeah.
Speaker 3
One, he's very passionate.
Speaker 4
OK. Ohh yeah so.
Speaker 3
About chocolate bar, so it can't be a block.
Speaker 6
I can't believe it.
Speaker 4
Yeah. So we're talking single bar, yeah. Right.
Speaker 6
OK. That that's rogue, that's.
Speaker
Yes.
Speaker 5
I love cherry rock. Yep, I'm a big dark chocolate player. I'm a big dark chocolate.
Speaker 3
Dark chocolate and chip. Nana.
Speaker 6
Player hey, who actually said who sat down and goes? Guys, I've got no idea. Let's stick dark. Dark chocolate with cherries.
Speaker 3
Doc. Yeah.
Speaker 4
I'm a big dark chocolate player. Big dark chocolate.
Speaker 6
Absolute name, yes. OK.
Speaker 3
He's a strange man. He's a strange man. That's why question times. I've been some strange answers.
Speaker 6
Like healthier for you. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Wildcat. Yeah.
Speaker 3
So you're passionate about something?
Speaker 6
Ohh mate like it's head and shoulders above any other. Yeah. Yeah. You want me to reveal? Yeah, it's the Kit Kat caramel chunky.
Speaker 3
Lockheed or. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like it.
Speaker 6
So there was this well because I like it.
Speaker 3
Why? No, no, I won't like explain why, OK.
Speaker 4
So to be fair, I don't mind them. I like the tweaks and they're kind of like a Twix, less crispy, more less shortbread, more wafer.
Speaker 3
Yeah. OK.
Speaker 6
OK. Can I tell you there is a niche?
Speaker 3
Don't tell me there's like a chat, bro. You're in. You meet once a week and kick that chunky carols.
Speaker 6
There's a nation, there's a niche community out there because what happened was.
Speaker
It's.
Speaker 6
Well, it's twice a week, but we know so. OK, I I discovered this niche, sort of following a Kit Kat caramel chunkies because where there's a vending machine at work. Yeah, that's a new thing for me. We used to work at a school, so I was like, well, vending machine, like, you know, so I looked at it and there was a Kit Kat caramel chunky, but it was three from the front on that particular row. And so I.
Speaker 3
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6
You know, I took a photo of it on my insta. Programme at like on my story and I was like, you know, only three until the gold. Now I can't remember what I said and I got messages like not joking and I don't have a big following. I don't even have. I think I got like 900 followers and then just my friends like not.
Speaker
There.
Speaker 6
You know. No, that's true, that's.
Speaker 3
Yeah, 9. 100 frames. Pretty popular, huh?
Speaker 6
True, I don't have 900 friends. Don't know friends. But they were like, Oh my God, yeah, best chocolate bar best. And I was like, what? Yeah. So I made like a little like this, like a day in my life like.
Speaker 3
Did someone snipe you? Yeah.
Speaker 5
Summary sniped you.
Speaker 6
40 from work not just sniped the kit. Kat, Carol. Chucky. He thought he was hilarious. So I'm waiting. So he got to the.
Speaker 5
Ohh.
Speaker 4
I would have written a note and gone whoever sniped my Kit Kat chunky. I'm on to you, yeah.
Speaker 3
Just break the vending machine. So yeah, if I don't get it.
Speaker 6
No one gets anything, so I'm not exaggerating. 20I reckon 20 different people like like I don't get. I don't yeah, I don't post things to get that. I just like here's what I'm doing in my life. I'm just waiting for ticket caramel chunkies and 20 people send me a message knowing how good are they best.
Speaker 3
Yeah.
Speaker 4
Chocolate bar. Not bad. Yeah. Gotta follow him. I've got one because I was at the Footy Club last week and I have a question can. I bring a question.
Speaker 3
Hold on, I'm a boost. OK. Because I think boost brings everything.
Speaker 6
Yeah, it it, it does.
Speaker 4
I think boost is just too like they've tried to make, but I think they've tried to make something good and it's just.
Speaker 3
How they thinks everything.
Speaker 4
****. Are they trying to?
Speaker
Or.
Speaker 6
Do too much, yeah.
Speaker 4
Yeah, that's what I mean. They're trying to incorporate too much because you've got, you've got the wafer, you've got the chocolate, you got the circle, you've got like a bit a bit of like, yeah, I'm like there's a bit too much happening.
Speaker 3
You've got the crunchy bits in the middle.
Speaker 6
Let's see if we're on the same page here. When I say boost advertising or the the boost ad, what do you think of? Yeah. And. And who was saying it? Describe him.
Speaker 3
Yeah. Was it a?
Speaker 6
Yep, it was with with.
Speaker 3
African American men.
Speaker 5
What? What was his?
Speaker 6
Haircut.
Speaker 3
I don't know. I can't remember. Yeah, I can remember that.
Speaker 6
Huge Afro. I just remember the the black dude Afro just going.
Speaker 3
I don't know whether or not to talk.
Speaker 4
So I was given this one brownie.
Speaker 3
About that or something.
Speaker 5
Trying to I'm trying. To move this along, are you still talking about it? Let me talk.
Speaker 3
I also don't mind a Chiquito mother. Poor man's picnic.
Speaker 4
OK, I don't mind that. So. So I'm hate picnics. No nuts, but that's a. Different story so. Well, friend of the podcast Jordan Smoke Mercede, he gave me this one. He gave me this one. He goes. I've got one for.
Speaker 6
Good for you, you.
Speaker 3
Know you love nuts and.
Speaker 6
Smokey, I wanna guy.
Speaker 4
Yeah, if you were a nut. What nut? Would you be?
Speaker 6
Ohh yeah yeah, that that would come from Jordan Mercedes.
Speaker 3
I'm a peanut because I'm just a plain, simple man.
Speaker 6
You are a.
Speaker
Or.
Speaker 3
Peanut that as well. I'm a bit of a *******.
Speaker 5
You are.
Speaker 4
Yourself, yeah.
Speaker 6
What not would it be and why? Can you have you? Do you know yours? Because I need to.
Speaker 4
Well, I don't eat nuts, so if I was. A nut? I'd be a. Testicle. Ohh God. That's because, no, I'm not a nut.
Speaker 6
That's Ferrari.
Speaker 5
Well, you have to answer. The question. OK, well, well, what I.
Speaker 3
I mate. You know what you are? No, I'll tell you what you are. You're a Brazil nut.
Speaker 5
I don't eat now.
Speaker 3
Cause you're hard to crack. Yeah. So that's where, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4
OK, I'll take that. Yeah, but I'm just not. I don't eat nuts. But smoke gave that to me, and I went. I hate when people give us content. I. Always shout the.
Speaker 6
Man, I give their content well, can I raise a similar question playing Community cricket, you know, like club cricket. Now it's not serious and sometimes you need chat to get you through a fielding.
Speaker 3
I'm peanut one.
Speaker
Sure.
Speaker 4
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6
Action, especially when things are grim, everything went quiet. This is the season just gone. Everything was completely quiet. We were getting belted and one like just goes. He was a cover and I was at mid wicket. He just goes. 40.
Speaker 2
If you were a shape.
Speaker 6
What would you be? What's your favourite shape? OK.
Speaker 3
Look.
Speaker 5
Are we talking?
Speaker 4
Are we took cause we had last week. What's your favourite shape as in biscuit? Well, what is your favourite diagram?
Speaker 5
We're talking.
Speaker
That's.
Speaker 5
I said I go. What do you what?
Speaker 6
Do you mean what my favourite geometric shape? Yeah, yeah. What's your favourite 1?
Speaker 5
Biscuit. Yeah.
Speaker 6
That's that. That's a bloody good.
Speaker 3
Question I'm a dodecahedron because I'm complicated and I've got so many sites.
Speaker 6
Yeah, like that. I I I don't. Know answered circle. You just don't know where.
Speaker 5
Hi.
Speaker 6
To start, you don't.
Speaker 3
I never. Yeah, I never have.
Speaker 4
Know where to finish. You know what I'd be? I'd be an isosceles triangle cause I like symmetry and I like down the middle. I like I like.
Speaker 3
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6
Yeah, yeah. Points I like so shout out to Ethan.
Speaker 3
Good, now, now the question we gotta ask all people that.
Speaker 6
That question because it was great.
Speaker 3
Come in, yeah. Are great on a toilet, right? So we've literally had this. This was our biggest. We actually did a vote thing on Twitter.
Speaker 5
Oh great. We probably got.
Speaker 6
About this in the yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4
Yeah. Are you on the grate or?
Speaker 6
I heard this. 1.
Speaker 4
Off the gate.
Speaker 3
Yeah. So this is so that's the urinal.
Speaker 4
It's a divided question.
Speaker 6
My parents shoes. I'm wearing shoes.
Speaker 3
Right. You know, there's a step, yeah.
Speaker 4
Ohh, don't even get me started if you're not wearing shoes.
Speaker 3
Yeah. Yeah, you. Weren't shoes this guy? Yeah. You weren't shoes.
Speaker 6
They're pretty rogue wearing.
Speaker 3
Your thongs are going with the I'm sitting down so.
Speaker 6
The only the time this challenges me is I think at the casino. I think that's where they have them and if I?
Speaker 3
Canfield, yeah.
Speaker 6
Yeah. Well, I haven't been there. In a while, but if I'm. Standing at if I'm standing there, I sometimes I just worry that I'm not going to make it like that. My wee won't actually make. It to try so I.
Speaker 5
So you are but.
Speaker 4
The thing for me is right when you stand on the grate you are in, you are in flash zone. So if I'm standing next to Brownie, we're both on the great. He is getting splashed.
Speaker 3
So you're online. Let's see.
Speaker 6
Yeah, I understand that.
Speaker 4
And the thing for me is, is that you're literally standing on this because people like me stand off the grate and we pee and we pee on the grate. So you're literally going to stand in, pee on the grate. Yeah, I don't. Yeah. No. So I think I'm so to answer your question.
Speaker 3
So I'm on. Yeah, that's me. On the ground.
Speaker 1
Sorry.
Speaker 4
Look, I do both. If I think I.
Speaker 3
That's this guy.
Speaker 4
I think you're like Scott, you're just like I I don't know if it's half. On or half.
Speaker 3
Off the thing I'm I'm permanently. That's the scale.
Speaker 6
Yeah, Scott's Scott's you wanna ohh Scott's. I mean again audio medium, but Scott's drawn a diagram of him weining at the urinal to tell me where he's standing. And that's generous, Scott. That is very generous.
Speaker
No.
Speaker 3
That's neither not.
Speaker 6
That makes more.
Speaker 4
Sense splash sign, mate, I'm telling you.
Speaker 3
Alright, so we're gonna move on. You've got 5 minutes of this.
Speaker 4
Alright, I'm going to race through this first bit.