CATMAN BEATS / CLASSICAL MUSIC INFLUENCES IN HIPHOP / BEANTOWN RECORD DIGGING

"Music is just like you have a period of time and you get to decorate it however you want."

Catman (Cat Tremblay) is a Boston-based producer/keyboardist. He specializes in beat-driven music featuring warmsynthesizers, dense jazzy chords, and heavy drums. He began the Catman project to branch out from acoustic jazz, and his electronic sound features aspects of lofi, instrumental hip hop, psychedelia, R&B, jazz fusion, dream pop, and synthwave. 

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my god. Let me see, make sure it raise. Good to go. Uploading. Loading. Alright, we're good. Alright. Alright, cool. Doh doh doh doh doh doh doh doh you really gonna play the whole thing? Yeah, what the fuck? What are we doing right now? Brings me back This is what we're doing, React. I feel like I'm in a movie. That was the intention. Yeah. Hell yeah. Welcome to the Chop Shop. I am Eddie James. Next to me is my trusty brother from another mother. Yeah. DJ React. sir. DJ React. Yeah. when when us producers talk about. Ha ha ha ha. who got the heat, our air to the street. This man. is definitely a part of that, man. I started listening to his music during the pandemic, and I was like, who in the F is this guy? Halen from Boston, Massachusetts, bean town. I'm telling you. The music is crazy, is beautiful. He is going to be somebody. He already is somebody. Multi -talented. musician. The bops go crazy, right? Yes, the bops go crazy, man. This is crazy, man. This is what we do. It is, man. I got goosebumps, man. Yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, on the Chop Shop, we have Catman Beats. thanks so much guys. Thanks for having me. thank you for showing up, man. man. Yo, the bop is crazy. Thank you so much man. It's funny, we were just talking about that. I hadn't listened to that mixtape in a while, but I'm definitely getting that on Spotify soon. It deserves to be on there. But that track, that was the intro to that mixtape at the end of the day I did a couple years ago for those people listening. And that beat was Double OT. That's the name of that one. Yeah. That's what I'm talking about, man, because I listened to it today, and I was like, all this shit is dope. And then I finally looked, and you had everything itemized with the labels, man, with the time and the names. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm telling you right now, when we talk about unsung producers, there are so many beautiful minds. on this planet when it comes to music. And we can't get at everybody. But React and I, we do our homework here at the Chop Shop. And your name came up a while ago, actually. I was like, man, I just want to reach out to the dude. I think I left you a few messages. And it was radio silence. I was like, hey, the beats are crazy, B. And I got nothing back. I was like, man. checking those message requests, but I'm getting better about this here for sure. Nah, it's quite all right, man. And this is what this show is about too, man. Obviously we have a lot of big names, but the meat and potatoes of this show and the real meaning of this show is about the working producers, us working producers that got next. And we believe that you truly have next, man. Like, you know. not a mid nothing. I tried. I was looking for anything mid. I was like, this dude is crazy with it. And if you look on his Instagram page, right. And if you look on his Instagram page, all you see is, you know, the hands with the with the bass keys, the bop and strings or whatever the blips. Right. And. out. That's right, that's right. And it's just, it's amazing, man. So thank you for coming on the show, man. Please explain. Go ahead, go ahead, Re -app. I will say this. You got to retire something before we go any further. Yeah. Yeah. You, you have to retire something. Please retire and please refrain from saying meat and potatoes from this point forward. Please. yeah, that is crazy. That is crazy. I get in loops with phrases all the time, man. I was just talking to somebody the other day and he was like, you gotta stop saying long story short. And I'm like, I didn't even realize I said it like so many times. Nah, he's being funny about meat and potatoes. You say it all the time. I get in the swing. It's funny you say that. was a possible, a possible moment but it's all good though. but yeah, you say meat and potatoes. It's just such a bad phrase. that mixtape at the end of the day that came from me and my good friend Lucas Apostolaris. He's down in Miami, great jazz composer, drummer, multi multi talented. I would talk to him all the time and I kept saying at the end of the day, like you got to talk and I would use it in conversation so much it became a meme and he would make fun of me for it. And I was like, I'm going to call the mixtape that. Yeah. Eddie's gonna put out a B -T -D called Meat and Potatoes. beat tape out called Meat and Potatoes. No, at the end of the day, the name of that mixtape you just were playing the start of, that's a phrase that I had deep in my vocabulary that I had to unlearn. So the mixtape helped me. I guess so. boy, so we keeping receipts down, yeah, ooh. I am definitely going back. fucking timestamp seven minutes and 15 seconds in I'm sure I said some wild shit that's some poor much because you never say. No, I talk. I speak when spoken to. because you never see anything. It's okay, Kat. It's all right, man. Like, I can see like a little civil rivalry over here now. You getting on me and everything. It's okay. All right, so I'll, yes, I'm getting rid of meat potatoes. Yeah, because that is a little suspect. Little sesty. Kat, first of all, I'm wondering what happened to the rest of your Afro because I used to have the crazy Afro like for real like you got the mini-Fro now. It's like it's dope but But it's really it you still got the Afro No, I'm just kidding When I was Yeah, yeah when I listen to your music man like and then when I saw that you were from from Beantown, man, you got guys, you know, a lot of rich hip hop history over there at OG and, you know, static selected terminology. You know, there's a lot of heads in Boston, Benzino, I'll give him his props. You know, can you explain about, like, when I listen to your music, it is... The pop is different. It is different, man. You know what I'm saying? I feel hip hop. I feel jazz. I feel new age. But just explain how you got started and how basically you got your sound. I guess. Well, you said jazz and that's definitely, I think, the main mixture that that kicked everything off. I mean, I was, to be honest, listening to whatever my parents listened to. But the first thing that I gravitated to that was like my own was like classical and jazz music, which is like so goofy. But I was like, you know, seven or eight and I was literally listening to like Rachmaninoff and CDs like that that my parents would give me. And so eventually went to some birthday party. It was actually it was like so it was a 90th birthday. party for my my grandma and my uncle returned 60 and 30 and they called it the 90th birthday party. There was a piano in the corner and I'm just walking over there seven years old like plinking out happy birthday and my parents like we need to get him a piano because so I've just always had the ear for it. I've always loved playing like jazz piano is my main thing studied it in college and that was always my main passion pursuant but I've been writing producing like on and off. I got started on on acid Sony acid in. like middle school and that's when I started making beats but I listened to all kinds of music so like what you said is like you hit the nail on the head it's like I was actually a really big metalhead I played bass and sang in a few different bands in middle and high school as well and I so mainly just keyboards piano I don't really sing much anymore never been a fan of my nasally voice but you know that's how every I feel like everybody who produces says something like that you know they don't like their voice and all that But yeah, so I play some bass and guitar. I don't have the guitar out right now, but those are the three really. I used to play a little clarinet in the band. Shout out to Mr. Kane. I learned to play the clarinet just to fill the section out for him. Like this was a long time ago, but. Yeah. he was a jazz bass player, so he kind of drove that a lot. We also had these two brothers, the Zaleskis, in my high school growing up who really influenced me. They ended up going to the Dave Brubeck Institute out in California and just really talented people. Glenn, the pianist, plays with Ravi Coltrane, Ari Honig, like all sorts of big names. And like having people like that to look up to, literally in my hometown. So I actually grew up in Worcester area in this little town called Boylston, which is like right out of Worcester. Yeah, Worcester. You see I got it down, WUSTA. You know that Adam Sandler skit? man, what the fuck was the name of the CD? Yeah, I know, off topic. Off topic. It was called They're All Gonna Laugh At You. It was like a CD. And his name was Toebooth Willie. And he used to say, welcome to Worcester,$1 .25 please. Yeah, stupid fucking skit, but every time I hear Worcester, that's what I think of. Adam, he's stupid but funny. But that's my stomping ground though, I've seen so many shows in Worcester. So I always joke, this is what my joke is, I grew up in Worcester area, I went to college at UMass Amherst, so I spent time in Western Mass, and now I'm doing my time in Eastern Mass in Boston, so I'm doing every third of the state. But I've been to Massachusetts my whole life, yep. as long as you don't go to Springfield. You're good. been there a couple of times. Don't don't turn no corners in Springfield, bruh. I'm saying, nah, I'm just playing. Nah, Springfield's a dope city. You know, like for sure, for sure. Claim of Fame and then MGM. You know, so so what I was getting at, you know, with all the, you know, just the music in Massachusetts and and and then when I hear it, when I sit and listen to your music. You know, I hear, like I said, I hear the jazz. I hear, I hear all that. When, when did the, when did the, the bop come? You got, you got that, you got, you got that bop about your drums. You know, talk about your earlier days doing, starting music and starting to track stuff out. And, and, and I guess your feel for hip hop, because you said you were already doing, you know, you were in metal bands, stuff like that. But there is a, a, a strong hip -hop presence in your music. Speak about that. basically when I was in it really didn't I didn't start creating that kind of stuff until college. Like most of what I produced when I was doing like Sony acid, I first got FL Studio and to high school. And that was when I started being able to like kind of create those sounds like I honestly didn't know much about sampling. I just had what I had to work with. And it was stumbling upon. yeah. real quick. Did you have the... Go ahead, React. As far as FL, did you have the... Was it the... you have a demo version when it first came out? Well, cracked version. cracked FL8, yeah. But I pay for it now. No, I earned it. I gave it back when I could. But... Yeah, now I'm on 21. I've progressed through it. But I was stuck on 10 for a long time. And I eventually, shout out to Luttrell James. He kept on saying like, you got to upgrade to the next. And he's the one who's pushed me always to go to the next one because now I didn't even realize that 21 has all this built in AI stuff. Like you can extract stems from samples like right in the playlist, which just blows my mind. Like things are just moving so fast nowadays. But yeah, shout out to Image Line because I feel like I wouldn't have been able to like hone that sound. all if it hadn't been for FL Studio. And a lot of that, like, so to step back where you're saying about the hip hop stuff, though, it wasn't really until I heard Madlib, sorry, Quasimodo, The Unseen, that album, I was like, I want to do that, which is just so funny because coming as an instrumentalist into that, he's like all that samples, like literally the entire record is just samples stacked on samples. Like, you know, the loop digger that song is like just like like probably 20 or 30 different songs just shoved together. It just blew. mind. And then that addition to, I mean, the Holy Trinity is Mad Lib, Dilla, and Flying Lotus. Those are like the ones that really kicked me off. His first album, really his second album, Los Angeles. I don't know if you're familiar with that one from like 2007, I think, 2008. Flying Lotus, yeah. And so, but I call that, that's like my producer, like Trinity that like really got me started. That's how I always called it. And then Robert Glasper coming through with Black Radio, that just blew my mind because I was in college at that point when that dropped. And I was just, I was a fan of him as a jazz pianist and I loved all the soul he would inflect into it. I loved all the Dilla stuff, like the Dilla interludes that he would add. And it just started influencing my writing. I literally went through a period where I wasn't writing as much and I was just kind of messing around with a little bit of production. And I literally ended up doing my masters in composition because all of a sudden people like, would just influence me. I started writing for Big Band for orchestra and I decided to apply and I stuck around for a couple more years. Wrote like 15 plus Big Band charts, a couple for studio orchestra. Won a couple little downbeat honorable mentions here and there. But honestly haven't done that, but I haven't been doing it. This is like eight years ago. level I wrote a big band chart was in 2016. I did my master suite, which was like a six movement thing where I tried to fuse the two. I called it for big band and electronics. It was the overload suite. And it was like three big man movements. And then it was three like sort of smaller group movements where I added some electronics to it. Specifically, we would just play along with some of the beats. We would do some live stuff. I had my mogul, little fatty. I was doing the crazy sub to like rock the concert hall. We just had this tiny little recital hall and maybe like maybe like a hundred yeah. seats maybe tops and my god that was a lot of fun and But that was back in 2016 when I moved to Boston. I literally stopped writing for bands because Outside of school you just can't find an orchestra to write for easily, you know It's not like you can just call up like a hundred of your friends and be like hey You got the timpani you got the the cellos like roll through you know you just can't you you have to you have to offer him some bread so You know some people, you're like, hey man, let's get the old band back. Let's do it. worked harder, I could have, but I was so over my head. I mean, I basically did the masters more so just to put off adult life for a couple more years. I was really lucky to get the stipend through that. Yeah, shout out to UMass. I feel like I wouldn't be the musician I am without the people out there. Just. So Jeff Holmes runs the program Tom G. and Pietro an amazing drummer composer He was a big influence on me man. He plays with I don't know if you know Jeff coffin sax player he played with like Dave Matthews a little bit after after I'm trying to remember the guy that passed the violin player. I think yeah, I remember. Yep, yep, yep. But anyway, Jeff Coffin's got a cool band. He's got Victor Wooten's brothers in that Future Man and stuff. So I got to meet those guys with Tom. He took me out to dinner at this African restaurant and I got to talk to Future Man, which was so cool. But anyway, I wouldn't be the musician I was or that I am now without them. I wouldn't be the producer I am without that experience. But like you said, I kind of came into it from left field, like literally left field, because I didn't start making stuff with such an extreme I was doing shit like, yeah. Right. Yeah, right. There definitely isn't in Hardwick, Massachusetts where my son is going to school right now, Eagle Hill. Like in the middle of freaking nowhere. What is it? Palmer and Berry? Berry, Massachusetts. There's nothing there. So I get it, man. You masses right there. You know, it just... We talk about different producers and we had a whole plethora of producers that came on the show and the way they got into doing music and whether it be DJ first or a musician first, you truly started off the classical route and composing. I don't think we've had... Right, no, but I don't think we've had, we haven't had anybody, right, React, that really composed music, like, I mean, I don't think so, but I want to say that there probably was a few guys that came on that were classically trained. I think Mr. Lee was classically trained at some point, a couple of other people. But I mean, I think Tico as well. Yeah, Tico as well. But I think you're the first one who started off like that, you know? And then when we listen to the music, it's like, yeah, but when we listen to it, I feel like it feels like Lotus. It feels like Dilla. It feels like Madlib. But you truly have your own sound. Yeah, no, no, I was going to play a record because it doesn't sound like you get the feeling of those three, but it doesn't sound like either of those three. It doesn't. Listen, we're running, we just run a joint, man. shit. Yeah. Forgot about this one. This is crazy. Thanks, man. Let me ask you this question. Let me ask you this question because when it comes to beats like that, are you in your own mind about the track or are you feeling that sometimes the drums are like super duper duper duper duper to the left? mean the drums and that's... do you find what What what is it? What's on the one? What are you finding on the one to bring it back is the question man? Like we I wanted I want the secret sauce caught another big influence when you said the one. I mean, James Brown, like hugely influenced. Like I feel like you can't create all that, all that cacophony like, like flying Lotus does, you know, or all that swing like, like Dilla does or all the whatever the hell Madlib does. He's so he's all over the place. No, I know. But I'm saying those guys influenced me, but, but they all have like kind of that lineage, that unity of like, like to me, the kick drum is always on one in some place, whether it's a two bar loop, four bar loop, eight bar. and you just got to dance around that and I'm trying to remember as Frank Zappa said like music is just like you have a period of time and you get to decorate it however you want and I guess I just followed that kind of ethos for a beat like that that was like that's like a little out of left field like I wasn't expecting you to play that one that's funny that I made that in the pandemic it was like a totally different style I was exploring there but that was only like less than a year after I had my profit which as you know Eddie that's all over my page like just the wall of profits on my wall, on my Instagram page. And... how I first came to you. I don't know how I stumbled on your page, man, but you were in my algorithm. And all I saw was hand. No, this was during the pandemic. So you were on your literally on the bed, on your bed with your keyboard. And it was crazy. did do some bed videos, but I did have a futon in the room, so it might have been a futon set up as a couch. Yeah, but yeah. looked really relaxed, pause. And but I know that was good. But yeah, it's hard to explain, like, no, go ahead, go ahead, I'm sorry. for a beat like that though, it's hard to explain where that comes from. I think I chopped the drums first and a lot of people are surprised by that. As somebody who plays piano, that's all the bands I play in now professionally, piano, keyboard, synthesizers, whatever. And I always start with drums. And that's something that surprises a lot of people because I think the drums is the most important part. And it wasn't until I started meeting so many, we have such a vibrant community of producers in Boston and we had our own version of if you guys are familiar with like the low end theory out in LA, rest in peace to that series of shows. We had our own version of that for a few years called Nightworks and I just, that was when I really started to take off, started to create and build a following on Instagram just from meeting people like, man, there's so many names, like it's so hard to. Like I don't know how to say it like everybody who's influenced me, but like people like Lightfoot, people like Littrell James, if you know he's a rapper, but also incredible producer, producing for like JID and I mean so many people. But also like people like in Boston. of course. I mean, I love Corey. He's, my God, he's been playing since he was three, I think. Yeah. What about a god, man, god. Yeah, for real. But yeah, and then just shout out to a couple other friends of mine in Boston. D -Phrase, Lohmann, like there's a ton of great producers out here and I would be doing it just, I gotta call out Razen too, because he was the one who started Nightworks. And unfortunately, the pandemic kind of put a stop to that. But we did, I think, 10 or 12 episodes, like, and we had some amazing people come through. I know Howshoes did one. I know Datalus headlined the last official episode we did. And I got to work with so many people Yeah, I think that was episode two or three the homie and fellow chop shop, yeah, absolutely. I mentioned that you were coming on the show, and he was like, yo, he's dope. For real, absolutely. like tapped into everything. So, you know, it's just cool to be on his radar. Yeah. like he really is like. get his stamp is, you know, he's very hard on some people with words. He's harsh with his words, you know? many instrumentals to him and he was like, he don't even say he don't say his trash or anything like that. He just he just gives me a like, yo, it's cool. But yo, I'm saying like and then he'll go into a whole spiel about like. It's cool. But no he definitely he definitely gave you a shot I was like yeah, we got cat man beats coming on here How the hell did you come out with cat man? What what is cat man? What like like did you have some cats like? I mean you know going by that for a few years now. It was a nickname for a while, but it's literally my initials, C -A -T. actually, Catman with the man on it started as like, I don't know if you guys are familiar, but AOL instant messenger. That's my generation. Like I was on that all the time. AIM and I was Catman Da Bomb and that was my name for years and years. I still use an email that has that on it. And when I started, when I started my SoundCloud, I was like, what do I call this? I don't even know. Cause my main one was Catman Da Bomb on SoundCloud. And it's not nearly my name, my main one anymore, but that's what I would put like my, my compositions on like. playing with the live bands. I had a few different groups I played with. I would put up all the stuff I was writing for the UMass groups, but really just whatever I was feeling. And then when I started my Soundcloud page, which was not, I think it was like 2014. I can't remember now, but I was like, I'm just going to call it Catman Beats. And that for whatever reason was available on all social media. So this was like a few years later. I didn't even join Instagram till 2016. I was a little late to the game with that. And I was lucky to be able to get some shit. branding on like Twitter and Facebook and everything. So just been rolling with it since then. But yeah, I just feel like cat suits me as a person, you know, I like the nickname. nah, nah, nah, that's dope, that's dope. You know, we were talking about early on with your parents, your parents musicians or they were throwing jazz and jazz music. cuz I'm the only musician really in the family My sister has a great ear, too But she gave it up to play softball and I still think that she could have been a great but that's a whole other story But yeah, I don't know where it came from to be honest Like I think just my parents have really great taste Moonshine and scotch. damn This is this is Everclear. No I'm just playing. Just playing. mean, like my parents just have impeccable taste. That's all I have to say. Like my mom definitely listened to more of like the electronic hip hop funk, like bass heavy. She loves bass, love stuff that's danceable. And my dad was more the jazz head. He was the one listening to like prog rock. Like, man, I heard so many different groups through him. Jazz fusion stuff. And I was thankful to, I'm very thankful that I got his record collection, some of it. I kind of picked through it and I feel like when they moved they threw out all the ones that I wish I still had. But I'm trying to think of some groups that, so many things. yeah, Returner Forever. I'm trying to think, Brand X is like this British group that I was digging into that my dad had stuff on vinyl. Who it Phil Collins was on drums in that group for the first couple of records so that might you might know Phil Collins I don't know but Of course. different artists and I always joke that I'm a product of the union of those two styles. They have sort of different tastes, but they have a lot of overlap. And obviously I'm kind of generalizing, but that's sort of where it came from, is that dancey groove -oriented stuff. I remember distinctly going to swim lessons as a kid, five or six, and my mom would be playing the golden funk hits, like 24 classic singles, and tell me something good, all that stuff. But then I'd be like driving with my dad to preschool and he'd be playing like Steely Dan, like pretzel logic and stuff like that. So it was just all over the place. a great album too. I love that album. Yeah. Yeah. because East St. Louis Tootaloo I was so confused actually shout out to Duke Ellington because he was in the intro that we played earlier But that's a Duke Ellington song they covered and the talk box in that I was like, what the fuck is that? I just remember like asking my dad because I thought it was a duck. I thought it was a duck literally but So Steely Dan definitely another I forgot to ask, your nationality is? a mixture of a bunch of things but mainly half Canadian on my dad's side and then a quarter Italian that's where I got the Italian curls from and then mixture of a bunch of random stuff in the other quarter. Yeah. Yeah, Borelli. Yeah. I'm part Borelli. Yeah. That's a boy that's a god. That's all right, man. Yeah, let's run some joints. wow, this is another pandemic one, yeah. I'm telling you man. random that I'm just picking, so. You can pick any joint in this fire. This one's a little different. It's like kind of more... What were you thinking when you sat down to do this, B? I'm trying to remember the... For this one, it's hard to say. This is crazy. Man, this brings me back. This was like, I don't know how to explain it. This was like me crying through the music about the pandemic. I did this in like June, 2020. I remember this one. Yeah. Yo, you gotta repurpose all these joints B. Right? Woo! Where's your face at? React, where's the old man face? my God. And this one's kind of a mixture, there's a lot of samples in this one buried in the background to create that sort of quasi-moto vibe. You got the little strings, the little trumpets and stuff, yeah. yeah, and this record, there's a lot more samples than, so that's from the 2020, I think this was like July or August. Benefit of the doubt and that song is called full of doubt that's like kind of the one that like pushed me to do the record because I wanted to put out something that kind of captured that spirit of like What a musician feels when they are like kind of like doubting what they're doing But they are confident at the same time and that's what drives their progression It's like if you don't if you it's it's kind of like what you're saying You have to be your own worst critic sometimes in order to progress You have to be confident what you're doing You have to be like aware that you've got a craft and a set but you also have to be able to refine it. And I feel like that was something I was really exploring. I think that can be a double edged sword sometimes too, because if, no, no. Yeah, like if you're in a vacuum and I mean, let's talk about it. I feel like sometimes as producers, sometimes we can be in a vacuum and we don't give a shit what people think. You know what I'm saying? And you find the magic. Right. And then sometimes then sometimes when I know when when dudes are in a vacuum and it's it's utter fucking garbage. It can be it could be it has been and I would never call anybody's. No, but I'm saying like it feels like like. This, what React just played, man, it don't sound like nothing, B. Like nobody else shit in this fucking, it's fire, B. What else we got? I want, it would be to know that I have my own sound, but as long as people dig it, yeah. That's always been a priority, you know? Yeah. And this is why we wanted you on the show, because we really want you. We want the people and the masses, however, you know, our audience, but also your audience as well, to hear your story, man. And sometimes, man, you know, people, we just, we want things so fast. You know, where our attention span is not there, but if they sit and listen to the joints, man, I'm telling you, man, I'm sure they'll feel how I feel. I'm a big baseball fan and I'm just curious to know what this one sounds like. This one is called Cheating at Baseball. one. That's good. Wacky's good, I like wacky. I called it that because it sounded like someone hitting a baseball. Also, there was all that Astro's bullshit going on around that time. Alright cheetahs! baseball fan? little bit here and there. My guy Lucas that I was shouting at, he actually does some statistics that he does for a side career as well. But I don't actually watch much sports anymore to be honest. But I try to stay tapped in about stuff. Yep. Thanks. so many layers. Yeah, that's... The layers is, I'm addicted to layering. No, that's as the homie, my homie, Kelsey from Overlord Radio. Kelsey, yeah, Kelsey calls it seepage. That's the word, because when other things, you know, just the elements start to seep in, like that's what it is, man. And it's dope because sometimes you feel like if you have, you know, I can hear the main. the main chunk of the beat, but the layers start to come in, man. That's the meat and potatoes. that's, and that's... No, but you got to add layers on it. You need the veggies, you need the, you know, like the bread, you need the dessert, like, you know, way more than the meat and potatoes if you wanna keep stacking layers, you know. Just following the metaphor. So Kat, talk about equipment for us real quick. I know you mentioned FL 2021, that's what you're on now. Obviously you play instruments and you're a musician at heart, but any other gear besides the Prophet and FL 21, beat machines, MPCs, whatever. really used much as far as like MPCs went. I didn't really have the money for hardware because I would drop so much stuff on synths and like I have a couple of Nords. I have a Hammond XK1 that I never use anymore. But the main things I put in my beats like that, the one full of doubt that you heard. What? What was the flex? That was a super flex, man. Yeah, just click. not like a real organ. It's one of the early electric ones they had. But I used that for a lot of gigs back in the day. but anyways, yeah, I've got the Nord Electro 3, that's like the full of doubt, that more like the one I was talking about with the strings, not the last one, but the one before it, that one's got the Nord on it. And then obviously the Prophet Rev 2, which is like, like I said, it's all over my wall. That's getting that in 2019 just like changed my life. I went from being mainly a sample based with like using a lot of softsense, like Arturia and stuff, using my 404. I have a little family right here. Well, I don't know if I can get them all out from the shelf, but the one I can reach is the Mk2. That's what I use for all my live shows nowadays instead of the laptop. I did a little Ableton live show thing for a while, but just too much work to bring the laptop out and do all that. So it's nice to have something more convenient, but I have an OG 404 and a 303. team SP. Wow, okay. Really? a 303 for it. It was like 150 bucks. I still can't believe. And it came with samples on it. Whoever had it before, it was the gnarliest siren. I still have no idea where it came from. So I used those a lot in like 20, this was like 17, 18. And then by the time I got the Prophet, I started gravitating more towards using that to sound design all my patches. Cause I was like, okay, I feel like a lot of producers do that. They're like, okay, I want to pick my loops. Okay, no, no loops. I'm going to. my drums. Okay, I'm gonna build my samples. Okay, now I'm gonna learn how to play drums. Okay, now I'm gonna learn how to build a snare drum. Cut down the tree. It's like you just keep going back and back and obviously most people don't go that far but I'm kind of exaggerating but that's sort of why I started building sounds with the Prophet. I wanted to do way more than just use Arturia presets and dial in stuff that way. I'm trying to remember... like what other yeah I've got a bunch of random gear I got some you know MPKs I've got some other controllers I have do a lot of drum program with this Nano pad just like little finger drum thing yeah and gave me, did you give me, React, didn't you give me one of those things? did. It's somewhere. so useful. The NanoPad 2. It's like 6 years old. know what I have? You know what I have that it was Keith McMillan? The Q Nexus? Is that what it's called? Yeah, the Q Nexus, the small, the MIDI, it's a mini keyboard, but it's like a. It's a keyboard but it's pads, but it's laid out like a keyboard and it's small. It's like, it looks like the, the nanopad. Yeah. Yeah. It's called, you know what I'm talking about? the 12 note shape, yeah. Yep. it's laid out on a keyboard. really sitting here, we're nerding out, this is great. You know, Mint Plus, no, but bringing it back to the SP real quick, because Mint Plus brought up, and I have not done it yet, but Mint Plus, the 404 update art is crazy. Have you done that yet, have you updated it? Yeah. maybe, is there a new software that I gotta get? Shit. yes. a minute, you have the Mark II, right? That's what you brought? Yo, yo, Mint Plus said, and I have none, mine's sitting right here in front of my face too as well, that there's a new update. 4 .0 update, yep. Yeah, they said he said is crazy. Yeah. they released it on April 4th because of 404. So the version is... Yeah, and the version is 4 .04. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, Roland. Send it over, Roland. Come on. Send us some free shit. another Boston producer. I don't know if you know Lightfoot Beats. He was part of the 404 Mark II, what do you call it, design of it. He did some testing for the early hardware before they dropped it. He had the NDA and everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah, DVS. man. Before you say 404 guy, he can't do anything on any machine. He's crazy. But mainly 404, yeah. He's got like... I mean, there's a 404 gang out there and DBS is the leader of them. Kat, you mentioned doing live shows. You mentioned doing live shows. Part of this update to the 404 was a live loop function, which is pretty dope. Yeah, live looping and Koala sampler integration. man, I haven't used koala in a minute. koalas huge man. I love koala. Yeah. I don't think it ever made it to any of my releases and whatnot, but I definitely have it on my phone. That's so cool, I didn't know that they had that. interested to hear about the heat that's in your coalesce joints. I know you're cooking up something. I do have to ask you this question though. Is there a batch of uptempo cat -man joints? Because you are definitely within the, what, 82, your sweet spot pause, 82, like 82. 83 BPMs that's that's your your comfort like with joints But is there a fat is there is is there a 90s badge a 90 plus or a hundred Where are the joints brah where they come? Okay go back to that project from 2019, Time War, there's definitely a more wide variety of tempos on that, a little bit of stuff that's plus 90. on the mix tape. this is like just another one on Spotify that mixtape. I got to get on Spotify and streaming platforms I'm trying to think the one that you played it to open and I think was a little different I honestly I forget tempo wise where everything is at but I definitely have a like 130 to 190 is like where I end up because I produce everything in double time NFL and so what does that translate to 65 to to 95 yeah So traditional like, you know, like 100 or 90, like 90 BPMs, you know what I'm saying? Like. This file is 25 minutes long. I'm just gonna click like 10 minutes and 30 seconds in and just bring the music in. Let's see what we'll work with. Yeah, most of it's gonna be around 80 though, for sure. Yeah, this is. This is it. Oof. Actually, can you drop the needle on 515? he said 515, look at that. a rare up -tempo 115 Catman beat. What if I drop it on a five, you said 515? around five minutes, yeah. Not that I don't like that song too, that whole mixtape holds a special place. After I lost all that on the hard drive, I can't get back to most of those. I think this one is 115. my god. Yo, it just sounds crazy! Yo react this shit sounds crazy Aw man. We need more of this. Yeah, I guess I gotta put more up tempo. So that's another question I want to ask. Are you even thinking about artists? Do you have artists in mind when you do your music? Or you just fuck it? Or I'm just... did it for a while. I was definitely making stuff and sending beat packs out to people. And I just, I don't know what happened when I got the profit, but I just all of a sudden was like, this is like a different lane that I'm finding. And again, it's kind of like, you know, the fly low thing where it's like albums like Los Angeles, all instrumental stuff that's just too dense to wrap over. I mean, you can definitely wrap over plenty of fly low stuff. I don't know if you remember that Mac Miller joined from like 2012 or, was it? SDS I think? And yeah that beat is so dense and rappable at the same time but I don't know if my stuff is not all of it super rappable you know but yeah. I told you this a couple days ago. I'm like, hey man, trust me, I know a lot of MCs that can get busy off of Catman joints. But that leads to my next question, like do you even care? Because, and I know this is a vague question, but I should have said it's at the end, but I want to ask it at the end. But seriously, because when I hear all this music, what, your legacy, what do you want people to feel and think about Catman, period, when they listen to your music? Like what legacy are you trying, or what path are you trying to blaze right? You got your own lane, I'm telling you right now. But does it, is it gonna be fully instrumental? Are you thinking about working with artists? I mean, like, what is it? was working on a project called Cabin Fever during the pandemic where it was a lot of collaborations with like, not just singers and songwriters and rappers, but also... like horn players, like saxophone and like different things. I definitely like collaborating. I mean, I'm in a few bands. I've been playing with Littrell for a while in his live band on Keys and we have a couple of tracks together. Nothing that's made it to any of my projects. And I did some stuff with another local guy named Hayes. He's also out of Worcester area. But yeah, it's, I guess I've kind of, it's not that I've gravitated away from it completely. It's just more that I've been focusing so hard on making, I think when you say legacy, it's so hard to think of like that far ahead. But I think the lane that I've been trying to carve out is definitely a union of all the different musical personalities that sort of percolate in my head, but also like all my influences. Like I mentioned, I was a metalhead for a while. A band that is still in my top 10 is, I don't know if you know the Swedish band, Meshuggah. They are a huge influence on my stuff. I basically just want my music to reflect a, just a fusion of all these different ideas and musical personalities that I just think reflect who I am. And, it's, it's so hard to put a, to put like, I don't know how to summarize it better than that, but I guess the biggest thing I can say is like putting that, like the big band and the orchestra arrangement in with the production side of things, because for a while they were completely separate and it wasn't really until just before the pandemic, especially when I started getting more. synths and stuff that I started fusing the two in a way that was like 100 % me. I did it so much sample based stuff in 17 and 18. In fact, I think there's still like a few sample stuff on like some of the Spotify projects. But it wasn't until yeah. to I'm still trying to figure out. I'm trying to figure out. I'm still trying to wrap my brain around your sound, which is a great thing. I mean, it no, no, it's a great thing, man. You know, as as inspiration, as a creator myself, you know, I look to guys and I'm just like when I can't. when I necessarily can't figure out what the hell's going on. You know, that's the inspiration. And your music has a bop like that, man. And it's just so many layers, but the chords are crazy too. big band BBL? that's next on the list, I guess. Come on, cat! you gotta do a remix with this. Come on, get Big Band BBL Drizzy. Is that what the BB stands for? Yeah. There you go. Perfect. Perfect. that shit's so funny. What is it? BBL means what again? Yeah, yes, yes. my God. Drizzy. Yep. Everybody's on Drake. Kat, talk about the two records that you sent us. The ones that aren't out yet, because we got exclusives. got... hold on, man. I didn't even get a chance to set it up. I just did. Not really, you didn't give him the name of the album or nothing like that? All right, fine. That's right. You're the podcast guy. ahead, Kat. Eddie's thunder, but yeah, basically I've got a project that I've been sort of working on on and off for a few years and I had a lot of life. It's hard to explain, but I basically just like really, especially with that hard drive crash in 2022, I kind of lost a lot of steam. I lost a lot of stuff that I was going to put on that album. I had literally already bought the artwork that I'm using and licensed it. But I it's the album has evolved quite a lot since then because, of those tracks I only have in waveform, only just two tracks left and they're not mixed, they're not mastered. I didn't feel comfortable putting them out the way they were. So this project, somewhere in between, it's funny you were just talking about where you find your lane and legacy and I've always thought of myself as sort of somewhere in between the jazz world and the beat world where I'm trying to find my own lane that sort of fuses the two but I never really feel 100 % in one or the other. And so that's sort of the title came from and it's 10 tracks and the two that I sent you guys are like sort of the singles that I'm hoping to get both of those dropped reasonably soon so that it's not like the same week as the tape drop but you know with Spotify you can't like submit stuff to playlists unless you do some singles so yep. Kendrick and Drake are done talking to each other now so you could actually put out some fucking music. completely ruined Slum Village's weekend and Rhapsody. Like completely. forgot. I haven't even checked out the new Rhapsody yet. Raps Album came out? No, not the album, but she dropped 3AM with Eric Abad. do. Yeah. that joint yet. I've been meaning to, I saw it on Instagram. Yeah, it's been one of those. And then Slum Village's album is fucking so dope. And it just got clobbered. But go ahead, I'm gonna say continue. Somewhere in between. so that's where the title came from. I've always felt kind of somewhere in between, and also just being a person who's... Like I said, I study computer science, I work, I have the day job as the software engineer, but I'm 100 % a musician through and through. That's what I want to be doing. Just hard to make money doing it. And so I've always been kind of in between a lot of different worlds and never really felt like I'd 100 % fit in anywhere. Even when I was in high school, I was like friends with like the jocks, the musicians, the sort of more outcast nerd types, like the anime people, you know, like. he called me a... He said the jocks, shit. I am super football man over here, pal. That's okay. we were not a big school. But I just mean like I've always been kind of just me and just like, I mean, I'm introverted, but I'm also friendly. So even there, it's like, what am I like, you know, I'm definitely an ambivert. And so that's again, that concept, I think just encapsulates my music encapsulates this project and. These are tracks that I spent a long time picking and deciding the order and mixed and mastered myself. Most of them have been getting some help from friends and colleagues advice and stuff, but I've always been wanting to do that myself. And actually the two albums that are on Spotify and that mixtape are all mixed and mastered by myself. I've gotten better at it over the years. Like some of those ones you played earlier on, I was just like, God. But you know, that's. but they sound wonderful. No, no, stop, stop. Yeah, they sound absolutely... again, you can't. It's sort of like that benefit of the doubt that I still kind of feel that to some degree. It's like unless you have that doubt and sort of like, I can make this better, then how are you going to progress as an artist or as a human being? You know, we all deserve a little bit of humility from time to time if we're otherwise, you know, it's kind of like what Drake's experience from right now, you know, but you get what I'm saying. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. yeah, I guess that's the best to explain it. Yeah, man, I haven't checked out the Spanish ones yet, but I'm excited. you're - homies are getting, just by the cadence alone, they're just getting. joints? I hope so. Yeah, do they? Well, if it's on the Metro Boomin' thing, then it's all that same beat, but that's crazy. He's offering 10 bands for people now. It's like, my God, I kind of want to make a track with it just to, yeah. He's getting cooked in Japanese, ready? man. Yeah! Getting cooked! god. Wish I could understand it. B -B -A -A -A - There she is again. She's back. we love, we love my Dukes. Man, eight. sorry, go ahead. I was just saying, I know Japan has a great hip hop culture. I really, outside of like, New Yabes and like a few different artists, like I really haven't dived into it. I really have to check more of that out. now, you would kill them in Japan. These joints. man. That would be so much fun. Man, yeah, you would be slapped. You know, the drummer, producer, singer. He's on Brainfeeder nowadays. Works with a group called Noir, K -N -O -W-E -R. they're just so out there. I don't know how to explain his, he's a similar, big influence on me because he came from like a jazz drum thing, but he's doing an EDM thing and like kind of fusing a bunch of sounds. So definitely inspired by that. I don't make music like him, but. Yeah, man is he is he a UK cat or? Ruben James and Connor and Connor, I forget. Yeah, Connor something, yeah, something Connor and Ruben, they usually, I flipped a joint of theirs, I'm sorry. They're gonna have to come after me. Because I definitely, they were on IG and they had a joint, this was years ago, and I was like, oof, and I stemmed it out. trans. But yeah, I was just I was just bringing up Lewis Cole cuz they went over to didn't you? my God, I did. Thanks, React. No, but it's just, man, you're like an enigma. I mean, there's like a mystery. There's some kind of shit behind you, bro. Pause. Still, we sat and talked for an hour, and I still cannot. can't pinpoint and that's the great thing. That's the good thing about it man because you know I felt the same way with guys like Dilla like you know Flying Lotus like what the fuck are they you know even Knowledge like how the hell did he pull that loop or and freak it you know I'm saying yeah Knowledge is crazy so. to be in the same sense as all those names. of music that I never heard before. Yeah, I don't know what to call it. And I, every time I meet people or like talk to people about it and like, or like, you know, go on a date or something like what kind of music to make? It's like, I mean, it's like jazz fusion influenced electronic hip hop. It's like, I literally have no idea how to explain it in one sentence. Yeah. he said on a date so so when he when he goes when he goes back to the crib and plays the joints he's Kat, Kat, at the end of the day, do you, you asked him, you want to, you want to come back to the house and I'll show you my profit. man, yeah, that's intimate, you know. Profit's my... the best jingle on the planet right now? This is the greatest jingle ever, man. And you know. gonna I'm gonna pull it up. Go ahead Yeah, so when you're dating and everything, you know, because you're dating man and everything, and they ask you, and he's like, when you come back to the crib and everything, and you play the music. yeah. Ha ha! were going to play a real jingle. okay. Hey bro, that is the - bar of paper right there. That is. greatest jingle. The guy who created that is kidding. Either he's a porn star himself, and he got no money, or he's just chilling in Hollywood somewhere. He's like, yeah, I did a Pornhub jingle. hope you get some royalties from that. All right, jeez. Oof. That's it. like different beats. It's always so funny. Yeah, I mean, you got everything on Instagram and TikTok, yeah. But when you said like jingle, like greatest jingle, I thought you were about to drop like Empire. I was like waiting for that. That's my favorite, yeah. don't get that in my head. Don't get that back in my head. no. So catchy. They changed the claps on that bitch though. I don't know if you noticed that. I noticed that. Yeah, look. They changed the... I listen to a lot of baseball, bro. Trust me, that fucking ad, that advertisement's everywhere. They changed the claps on that motherfucker. I'm telling you, they changed the claps on that shit. reminded me of something. minute, somebody flipped, somebody flipped, hold on for a second. And it was absolutely beautiful. hope it's still on here. it's... There was an artist that I just started following and he flipped on. We gotta play the records from the upcoming project, by the way. No, no, no, it's okay, go ahead, go ahead. I'll play them, I'll play them. I gotta send though, hold on, because you mentioned the cars for kids, you just reminded me. I'm trying to find it real fast, I'm just slow. I hope... while you look for it, we'll play a record off the upcoming press. Okay. Somewhere in between. This is track five, spontaneous. Yeah. A world world world premiere premiere premiere premiere. Yeah exclusive baby. my god, what a vibe. See, you said that nobody could rap over your shit. Somebody get busy over this. I didn't say all of them, I just said on average. Right, right, right. This is beautiful. Thanks, fam. Crazy. Man, that is crazy. Spontaneous. yeah, it's track five off of it, right in the middle. Releases May 22nd. May 22nd, ladies and gentlemen, I'm telling you, somewhere, that's all right, somewhere in between. I'm trying to find it too. word. I wish I could find it. I gotta send my guy a message and see if he can send it to me in real time. He might be gigging tonight though. do do do do do do do do do telling you listen listen to the old version and listen to the new version they changed the claps I'm telling you No, I don't even have it on my computer. Damn. Well, if I can find it, I'll play it, but... it's all good man, it's all good. I was just, I can't even find it now, because I was looking for somebody who flipped, the musician I was just following, and he flipped like, it was like a kid's cartoon. Is it on YouTube, Kat? I know it's on my my friend SoundCloud don't worry about it. It's basically what he did was he took the you know 8 6 7 5 3 0 9 you know that song Jenny he took that and he put the cars for kids sound over it it matched perfectly and it's legendary but I think he took it down. that's so sad. Yeah. wild. that's what I'm saying. I missed that whole mix tape that you play before at the end of the day. All those beats are lost for the most part. But it is what it is. about this other record, Pulse. so this one, Pulse, is definitely a completely different vibe from that. That one's more of like a boom bap influence. This one's more of like a, I don't know, more of a down tempo. I don't know, I called it Pulse because it's just got this like pulsating sound where the bass and the chords are both like kind of beating, like sort of like how you got the two different beats in the heart. And yeah, I don't really know how to explain that one super well. It's just a different vibe, yeah. whoa, whoa, you hit him. You hear that naked, that naked snare in the beginning? man, he leaving naked drums. is it playing now? I don't hear it. yeah. my, woohoo! yeah. to like that. my god. This is amazing, bro. I can't even. Now this one's definitely wrappable. I know, I know. yeah. man. Shout out to AJ Hall for the drum fills. Oof. You said AJ Hall. Yeah, you know AJ Hall? yeah. here we go. This shit is crazy, man. I got some AJ Hall kits sitting around. I love his stuff, man. AJ. Kat, this shit is crazy, bro. you, man. I had to include this one. It's just this one's pretty I mean they're all kind of their own unique sound, but this one's definitely Thanks. sweet to the outro is like a whole different Reharm, too Say that again? The next part of the outro is like a whole different set of chords coming up. I flipped the drums different. let it breathe, bro. Let it breathe. Man. Man, that's beautiful, bro. Hold on, it ain't done, it ain't done. world world Yeah, that's track nine called Pulse. Really excited to drop all this stuff, man. is that I'm taking that fucking snare. please do Again shout out to AJ Hall. He has some of the best drum fills and breaks I don't really chop his breaks as much of his one shots are honestly, I use a whole wide variety of drums and some homemade samples and gonna have to pause that, my friend. I know you don't play the pause game, but you said the one shot's B. It was it was a musical reference man. We don't gotta we don't gotta pause it. We don't gotta. I'll lay off because Catman is... Fucking meat and potatoes you gotta fucking, we gotta, meat and potatoes gotta go bro, told you that. You said it three times. I'm over here snorting. Ugh. I don't know. What happened? my gosh. Anyways. we, Kat, man, listen, man, this has been great, man. I truly, we truly wish, trust me, it's gonna happen. And all I ask, and all we ask is you come back to the show because trust me, the music is crazy, B. We gotta have him back, right? Man, man, like, thank you so much, man, for coming on the show. Yeah. so much for having me guys. 22nd, somewhere in between, ladies and gentlemen. Go fucking buy it too. Don't stream that shit. yeah, you can stream it, but please buy it first. Yeah, yeah, just buy the records. Hey, you ever thought about vinyl? I think that's a... been on, I don't have any of my beats on vinyl, but I was blessed to be on a Littrell James vinyl. We did like a few live joints of recreating for an EP that he did like three or four years ago. But as far as getting my music on wax, that's something that is definitely a life goal of mine. it's definitely attainable. Yeah, man. I can make it happen. I'm still climbing the ladder, but man, I appreciate you guys so much love in the room, or in the virtual room tonight. And again, thanks so much for having me. Yeah. are your fans, we are gonna be your vehicle. Like I said, your music is exceptional, it's fire. You got your own lane. There is no question about that. I don't think about anybody. I'm dead ass, dead ass serious and that's saying a lot. Right, like I'm saying like... And it's all good to do music and sound like somebody and have your own spin, but you don't sound like nobody, B. Just don't. conversation with Shoes two episodes ago, you know what I mean? It's like, everybody sounds like somebody. What was the quote he said? hold on. Shoes drops quotables every episode. He said, I need singularities. None of these motherfuckers are singularities. That's what he said. Yeah, it's a t -shirt. Yeah, but you, my friend, are a singularity. For sure. Because ain't nobody fucking sound like you. like the biggest compliment you can get as a composer. It's like if you're if people like are hearing your stuff and like, man, I love it. You've got like a like a this vibe or that vibe. It's like, yeah, that's all nice and all to be compared with like greats. But it's it's just great to know that when people are just like, I don't even know what the sound is. That's what I always love to hear. Yeah. thanks so much. sure. Like for real. Like... our listeners, I'm telling you, one of one. Yeah, make sure you follow this man too, god damn it. Catman Beats on Instagram, Twitter, SoundCloud, everywhere, right? Yep, there you go. but yeah, Instagram's the main one I'm working on. Just, yep, or at least, not working on, but posting on. shopping too, bro. You gotta show me your spot. Pause, show me your spot. When we go, when I come to plan. Why you laughing, react? All right. No, no. I told you, I told you my son. Fucking react. You're a fucking motherfucker, bro. You. We gotta go, you gotta show me the record spot. Gee, for real. down the street from me. I just went and got some a couple days ago. sorry, my bad. right? You gotta keep it hush, you know? Yeah. Duh. Down the road, Eddie. Well, I'll be in Boston soon, man, and I'm gonna call you up, bro. We gonna hang, because now we're, he's my new best friend, React. I always do that. Like, you know, with all the talent, I get very giddy, because I'm a fan, and it's okay, and I say, hey, he's my new best friend. me, it's in the corner there. I just was there the other day and I got a copy of Jean -Luc Ponte Imaginary Voyage and I got it for like three bucks and it's in great condition. speaking of which, I know, hold on for a second, because you're a synth guy. He's gonna he's gonna he's gonna whip it out right now. Hey yo shit Follow me back sponsor me. I have your shit in all my videos I'm just waiting for the love from sequential rest in peace to Dave Smith whoa. What is that? Eddie, you want to tell us what it is for the good folks who aren't watching? that on our who are not watching this album is called a computer music So they have different compositions by Larry Austin John Silley Charles Dodge Stanley Haynes Bruce Whatever blah blah blah. Yeah, but this record is crazy. I mean You said Wendy Carlos? No, no, no, Wendy Carlos is not on this one. But Wendy Carlos is super dope. I mean, come on. That's the industry standard there. But, Or what's it like, Bruce Hawk is another OG from the 60s. Raymond Scott, like there's so many great, yeah. there's a Bruce Penny Cook on here too. Yo, I'm just telling you, this record right here, this album, there's some goodies on here. of those names. I'm curious now. You have to bring that to Boston with you. here's another one. here we go. You must own this record. I don't know that one, no. Baby, I'll do that. have this one? I don't think so. Now, Don Murrow, this record is crazy. It's called It's Time. This record, like first of all, when you go on record shopping and you just look and you see all the gear, you know what I'm saying? It's an automatic buy, but there's so many joints on here, B. I'm sure. I mean, I love some of those. I'm trying to remember that one of my pride and joy is the, you know, the Fred Weinberg, the Weinberg method, that record that Dilla, Dilla flipped that for factory. That's that's the one of the electronic like computer music from that's like a seventies one. But yeah, I wish I had more of those like deep cut. Like, I honestly I don't have the money to pay for those like fifty dollar records. I'm trying to get build my collection. Yeah. they're in the one dollars. Trust me. Like when they and when I come to Boston, pal, we are going record shop because I got a couple of spots to pause. I do. Yeah. Yeah. Got to pause that, bro. Yeah. All right. But listen, man, thank you so much for coming to the chop shop. Catman Beats, May 22nd, somewhere in between. Thank you. Thank you. We appreciate you, man. Yes, this has been great. What the shit play? Yeah, let it run. give me a little solo, nice. Ha ha ha! This shit is so crazy, B. is mad. What are we doing here? Wow. crazy.