Bandjam 3: Speaking In Tongues?!

When you hear the words “speaking in tongues” what immediately pops into your mind? Are you nervous? Excited? Skeptical? All of the above?

In this week’s episode, the guys sat down to record a Band Jam and spontaneously started talking about speaking in Holy Spirit for 2 hours! 😳

@01:36:52 - The guys continued in prayer together. We encourage you to take some time with God for yourself — have an expectant heart and enjoy the moments of intimacy with Him.
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Transcript

[00:00:00] Matt: So we were gonna talk about God speaking and what does that mean, different things within that. I had a question about tongues. Uh, my background, I come from a seeker friendly church where speaking in tongues was never talked about. And I can remember in junior high, a girl was like, I know how to speak in tongues.

[00:00:21] Matt: And we were like, shut up, weirdo. Like, you like mm-hmm. Because it was just like, we didn't talk about it, nobody acknowledged it. And then I come here. Mm-hmm. All of a sudden people are doing it. It's, um, encouraged, like prayed for to be able to do it. Mm-hmm. So it's not only is it like extra if I like, if you like, get prayed for in tongues, like why?

[00:00:42] Matt: Mm-hmm. You know what, why? Is my wife going up and getting prayed for it and she doesn't know what on earth the person's saying. Like, is it you getting like bonus points for it? Or what is the reasoning? 

[00:00:59] Taylor: Hey man, [00:01:00] you wanna talk about God?

[00:01:23] Taylor: Welcome to Ordinary Believers. This is Band Jam. We are being open about which episode these are, right? Because like these are going in order, right? Yeah. Band Jam. Band Jam. Number three. Number three, I believe Band Jam. We just like to sit here and talk. Right. The goal is to, um, Corey and myself have done this for years.

[00:01:45] Taylor: Matt was like a, Matt was like a, okay, imagine this. Imagine that you just got a puppy and when you just get a puppy, you have to potty train them. Mm-hmm. And so some people put up [00:02:00] like little gates in their kitchen. Yeah. With like puppy pads down. And this was like, Corey and I were sitting at the table talking and Matt was sitting behind the gate just peeing on the carpet.

[00:02:10] Taylor: Just, but now this is just us having talks in the basement. Yeah. No affiliation. No. 

[00:02:19] Cory: But there could be Tim, a big Tim. No, it's good. I feel like you're, I'm gonna call it prominence. That might be a, a big word. I don't know what that means. Prominence, yeah, like a rise to prominence. Okay. Rise to acclaim. Yeah.

[00:02:36] Cory: For Matt, like, went really quick when we first brought you on, I remember we were talking about like, we didn't have a name for him. Drummer Matt, he's in the back. He chimes in, he googles things, right. But then you, this is actually, this is a thing about good leadership, which I would say you're welcome.

[00:02:50] Cory: We've exhibited, um, you know, if you try to force somebody into an area where they don't have a ton of strength, uhhuh, you're gonna get a mediocre result and you're gonna [00:03:00] be unhappy with it. We learned this very early with Matt. Oh yeah. And so we, we were playing to his strengths and, you know, wait, what are, are his strengths exactly?

[00:03:07] Cory: Well, I think he's a, he, he's a likable guy. He's a soft face, great drummers with kind heart, great drummer. And uh, you know, we decided really quickly to go from, you know, drummer Matt behind the scenes to like, let's give him a mic. Let's give him a camera. Right. All right. Get on, get on stage. 

[00:03:23] Taylor: Let's go. I think what's really interesting is that like, basically it was like the first episode you were ever with us.

[00:03:31] Taylor: You did not have a camera on you, but you did have a mic. Mm-hmm. And at the end of that episode, it's like episode three or four or five, he said nothing. No. He gave like a three minute breakdown of facts. And you know what? He has not done it since. 

[00:03:46] Matt: Yeah, right. Not once. When we were talking about like David Goggins and stuff, there was additional stuff that needed to be there.

[00:03:53] Cory: Right. Yeah. 

[00:03:54] Taylor: You know? Do you think he'll ever get back to the days of like, Googling It's 

[00:03:59] Matt: hard, [00:04:00] you know, 

[00:04:01] Taylor: what's can you, what's hard about it? I mean, I might, I don't know. So here's the thing. Thing is that like, let's say we have a guest on, now I'm a big deal, right? Right. Let's say that we're like having a guest on and we're doing whatever, right?

[00:04:12] Taylor: Mm-hmm. Um, even last week we recorded, um, with Arden and Christian. Right. And that was remote, like there in Tennessee, right? Mm-hmm. But we're behind our computers and I had a direct line of sight to you. Mm-hmm. But like, it looked like all you were doing was scrolling Instagram. No, it was, that's what it looked like you 

[00:04:34] Matt: were doing.

[00:04:34] Matt: So I was texting Corey for a little bit there. Then I was googling a couple things, but there wasn't really a break to 

[00:04:42] Right. 

[00:04:42] Cory: Get in there. Right. This is your time now. You're in there. Yeah. So 

[00:04:46] Taylor: Matt, see what you want to the people. Look directly at the camera and tell them what you want to tell them. This is your moment for being here.

[00:04:53] Taylor: Your opportunity. Start with gratitude. 

[00:04:55] Matt: Um, good. I wanna thank my parents. Yes. Um, [00:05:00] that's 

[00:05:01] Taylor: about it. That's all you have to say. If you, I'm giving you a platform to potentially tens of people 

[00:05:07] Matt: go on Instagram right now. Go to at drummer Matt, and message that man. And tell him to give up his handle. I don't think he uses his account anymore.

[00:05:17] Matt: Did you, 

[00:05:18] Taylor: once again, ever experiment with like a drummer mat or the Doner? 

[00:05:23] Matt: Don't think I will be. I will be drummer Mat or I will be nothing. 

[00:05:26] Taylor: Or be, I think nothing is probably taken too well. 

[00:05:30] Matt: Well, that'd be really funny. Pivot. Like, 

[00:05:35] Taylor: do you have anything you wanna talk about? Do you have any topics, any questions, any, um, I don't know.

[00:05:40] Taylor: Anything you wanna talk about? Yeah, I like it when you lead these. Sure. Cause then you ask good questions 

[00:05:46] Matt: short, so on you say Sure. Or short. Sure. Short. 

[00:05:51] Cory: Short.

[00:05:55] Matt: So on the last Band Jam we talked about what we wanted to talk about. And we didn't talk about [00:06:00] it. And it was, 

[00:06:02] Cory: that was a confusing sentence. Time we said 

[00:06:04] Taylor: plan, we talked about what we wanted to talk about, but we didn't get to talk about it. Exactly. 

[00:06:08] Cory: Cause we, we talked 

[00:06:09] Taylor: about sense. We, we didn't get to talk about what we planned, that we were gonna talks.

[00:06:12] Taylor: Okay, got it. Now we had 

[00:06:13] Matt: a plan. 

[00:06:15] Cory: We didn't actually do it. And, and to wrap up the last one real quick before we get there, I think this is where you're going. Uh, it became clear that I have a deficiency in my Kanye and Kendrick Cannon vocabulary musically. And so I had just tonight added three albums by Kanye Graduation Life of Pablo and what was the other one?

[00:06:41] Cory: My Beautiful Dark Toasted Fantasy. Yes. I'm going to listen to all three of those multiple times before we do another Band Jam and Grow in my I musical vocabulary. And I'm going to send you. Some albums by the who. Mm-hmm. And we're gonna grow together. Mm-hmm. That's right. Because we leave these [00:07:00] conversations and we there's, there's an action.

[00:07:02] Cory: Yeah. We're gonna get better. Side 

[00:07:03] Taylor: note, we should, we'll, we'll throw these pictures up for anybody who's watching it on video, but my wife's, my wife is in North Carolina. She sent me pictures of literal golf ball sized hail. These are like, they're dents all over her car. Oh no. My goodness. Do you see that?

[00:07:19] Taylor: Yeah. The dent. Like, that's a, that's a sizeable, that's 

[00:07:24] Cory: an insurance claim right there. I think 

[00:07:26] Taylor: it is. I, she asked do we have to file a claim with insurance? I think 

[00:07:30] Cory: so. If you want them to pay. Okay. Depends on how much the damage 

[00:07:33] Taylor: is. Bye. Love you recording. 

[00:07:37] Matt: Also, apologies to anybody that likes The Beatles and was sitting there when I said Yellow Submarine was an album, was like, no, it's not.

[00:07:43] Matt: We, we fixed it. 

[00:07:45] Taylor: Not, I do not apologize for anything. Okay. They're just, 

[00:07:48] Matt: I feel like Beatles fans are 

[00:07:50] Taylor: with the Beatles specifically. 

[00:07:52] Cory: I don't know how many Beatles fans are listening to this podcast, so I think we're 

[00:07:55] Matt: okay. We'll find out the fact that it already said anything. Well, it doesn't come out till Wednesday, but [00:08:00] we'll find out soon.

[00:08:00] Matt: We'll find out. 

[00:08:01] Cory: Anyways. Anyways, going back to, 

[00:08:03] Matt: anyways, so we were gonna talk about God speaking and what does that mean? Hm. Different things within that. I had a question about tongues. Ooh, can I come out the gate? 

[00:08:15] Taylor: Ooh, holy Pentecostal 

[00:08:17] Cory: over 

[00:08:17] Matt: here. So, uh, my background, I come from, we kind of touched on it in the last Band Jam, but a seeker friendly church where speaking in tongues was never talked about.

[00:08:30] Matt: And I can remember in junior high, a girl was like, I know how to speak in tongues. And we were like, shut up, weirdo. Like, you like mm-hmm. Yeah. Cause it was just like, we didn't talk about it. Nobody acknowledged it. And then I come here. Mm-hmm. All of a sudden people are doing it. It's, um, something that's being talked about and.

[00:08:47] Matt: Encouraged, like prayed for to be able to do it. Mm-hmm. So it's not only where is that gap, and I understand in a secret friendly church, you might wanna stay away from some of those. Mm-hmm. Heavier topics. [00:09:00] My wife has recently been prayed for a few times, and both of the times it was in tongues. Mm-hmm. My question is, might be, yeah, a little ignorant.

[00:09:09] Matt: It might be, I don't know. Yeah. When I ask you and you tell me what your thoughts are, is it like extra? If I like, if you like get prayed for in tongues, like why? Mm-hmm. You know what, why is my wife going up and getting prayed for? Mm-hmm. And she doesn't know what on earth the person's saying. Like, is it you getting like bonus points for it or what is the reasoning?

[00:09:37] Taylor: Well, we're starting out hot tonight. 

[00:09:42] Cory: I feel like you're pulling up a scripture or a text that you want. 

[00:09:45] Taylor: I'm praying up some things. I'm pulling up some things. Yes. So why don't you take it and then I'll fill, I'll fill in. Yeah. 

[00:09:54] Cory: Um, so I think there's a lot in what you said, and I think [00:10:00] that, I think that we, that we all have different experiences, I guess coming up in what this thing is and those experience a hundred percent color how we are going to approach how we receive or interact with it.

[00:10:14] Cory: I think, gosh, I think I, I want to go back and think, let's break down just what you were saying. Mm-hmm. Because there's parts where you talk about like, is it like bonus points and that's a whole thing. Mm-hmm. Um, I think there's also a part of it that's like one I believe in the Holy Spirit. Mm-hmm. I think that you can believe in the Holy, holy Spirit and operate within the Holy Spirit without the manifestation of speaking in tongues as well.

[00:10:45] Cory: They're not disparate, like you don't believe in the Holy Spirit if you don't speak in tongues. Um, I think it's a touchy subject because, uh, I think, I mean, Paul kind of spoke about this too, uh, that it can [00:11:00] harbor or breed confusion, which sounds like maybe like, I guess like talk more about your ex, the experience you had or your wife had or the conversations that you guys, uh, had after that.

[00:11:13] Cory: She's got 'em to get prayed for twice. Yeah. And the person, 

[00:11:18] Matt: yeah, so her background too is very similar, less churched. So to her it's even more of a, um, I know very little about it. She knows less. Mm-hmm. And so for her to go up. And expect to get prayed for in like an earth language. Like Yeah. And feel, walk out of that feeling like encouraged.

[00:11:42] Matt: Mm-hmm. Um, she walked up, guy puts his hand on her forehead and uh mm-hmm. Starts, she doesn't, it's the first time she's ever experienced tongues. Mm-hmm. So she hears it. She's all of a sudden now her whole focus is not on, these are the things I [00:12:00] need to get prayed for. This is like, this is what is going on.

[00:12:03] Matt: What are you doing right now? So we talk about it after and uh, I had to do my best to sort of explain what happened. And then she asked me a few questions, but more or less around the same 

[00:12:16] Cory: Yeah. Of what I just asked. How did you explain what happened to her? 

[00:12:22] Matt: So, my understanding of tongues is it is a spiritual gift that I enables you to speak God's language.

[00:12:33] Matt: That's basically like, And correct me if I'm wrong, but this just how I understand it, speak a language you don't understand that God understands. Mm-hmm. I don't know why I, I can tell you why people want to do it. I don't know. I know you get filled with the Holy Spirit is what people say, and all of a sudden you start speaking this language.

[00:12:55] Matt: Mm-hmm. One, it's a whole other thing. Like what does that mean? Yeah. Um, [00:13:00] and why, you know, if like, so yeah, that was my best I could do to explain it to her, which probably only confused 

[00:13:06] Cory: her more. Yeah. I'm wondering if it is good or healthy to go back to the beginning of that or to actually explain our personal experiences with it and with speaking in tongues and then kind of go back to the text.

[00:13:21] Cory: What are your thoughts today? Yeah. 

[00:13:22] Taylor: I mean, I, I, look, I don't think it matters. I mean, like, I have bible verses pulled up, so like Acts 24. All of them upper room, all of them were filled with the Holy Spirit began to speak in other tongues of the Spirit enabled him. Acts 19, six when Paul placed his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them and they spoke in tongues and prophesized.

[00:13:45] Taylor: Um, it's in Mark 16 and these signs, this is verse 17, and these signs will accompany those who believe in my name, they will drive out demons, they will speak in new tongues. Paul talks a lot about it in First Corinthians. [00:14:00] There's just like a lot about speaking in tongues. Um, chapter 14, in particular 13 and 14 have a lot, um, about speaking in tongues.

[00:14:12] Taylor: So, um, I think it's a very, very interesting topic. And I will say before we go any further, go ahead. I know 

[00:14:22] Cory: where you're, that 

[00:14:23] Taylor: I believe in the Holy Spirit, but I don't understand speaking in tongues. It's one of those things that I think I have a lot of, um, I have experiences with and I think I have opinions on.

[00:14:42] Taylor: Um, but, and that doesn't mean that like I don't feel like I'm qualified to talk about it or anything. I'm happy to share. 

[00:14:51] Yeah. 

[00:14:51] Cory: So going back to everything at the foundation of these conversations is we are not experts or the Ians [00:15:00] Correct. Or pastors. We are ordinary believers that have had experiences and have questions.

[00:15:06] Cory: We're gonna share those things, not claiming necessarily to be the authority. Um, I think that having a conversation on the gifts of the Holy Spirit, right, that could be a whole series of podcasts. Correct. Right. And tongues would be part of that. Um, but it is one of those weird kind of conversations that.

[00:15:26] Cory: I think it's like we are qualified to talk about it because we are people that are in the church and this is a part of Christianity. Right. And we all have different experiences. So I think like that, that is not where I thought you were gonna go from whenever you said, like, we had our normal thing we were gonna talk about.

[00:15:42] Cory: Right. What it's like to hear from God and then you bring out the tongues experience. Right. But I'm in here for it. Like I'm loving it right now. I'm, uh, I think we're gonna have a good conversation. I think what's 

[00:15:51] Taylor: really interesting too, um, and we talk about this with like a lot of different things, right.

[00:15:56] Taylor: But, um, I think tongues are, [00:16:00] like you said, of growing up or a lot of people's experiences. Most people, I would say do not have a ton of experience with speaking in tongues that, like, not most people, the people that like I'm friends with mm-hmm. Don't have a ton of experience. Right. Um, And I think what's also interesting is it is a topic that I've Googled before.

[00:16:29] Taylor: And the problem with that, just like most things, is that you find a gajillion different interpretations and, 

[00:16:37] Cory: and usually they're on one side of the pendulum or the other. Right? Usually you're gonna see an extreme abuse of a thing. Correct. This seems so hokey and crazy. Or you see something that's like saying like, no, this gift is dead.

[00:16:48] Cory: That's not real. Right. And I 

[00:16:50] Taylor: also think that, um, it's really hard with tongues because I, this is my own personal [00:17:00] belief, is I think that tongues is one of those things that I is very easy to take out of context, out of biblical context in my opinion. Um, because like, you can pull out any witch verses right?

[00:17:17] Taylor: But like there's a verse in First Corinthians. First Corinthians 14, 27 and 28, and Paul says, if anyone speaks in a tongue two or at mo the most three should speak one at a time and someone must interpret. If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself into God.

[00:17:38] Taylor: Okay. So to be completely fair, I'm taking two verses out of context. Mm-hmm. And I'm just reading them and I be honest with you, I don't know the context around them. We can look at it, we can read it. Right. Um, the, the heading of the paragraph that those verses are in or is like order in [00:18:00] church meetings.

[00:18:00] Taylor: Mm-hmm. Okay. So that could be to deal with leadership or church meetings or whatever it may be. But, um, I do believe a, like I said in the Holy Spirit, and I do believe that speaking in a language to God is a real thing. Yeah. And I think that's where my questions start. Mm-hmm. What does that actually mean?

[00:18:25] Cory: Yeah. Let's go back to, let's, let's bring it back to like, maybe like talking more about our personal experiences. Yeah. Um, cuz I think you guys might share a similar experience. My experience, um, growing up in, uh, I guess like non-denominational church in the nineties in a charismatic church was speaking in tongues.

[00:18:53] Cory: So from my youth, speaking in tongues was a normal thing. So [00:19:00] never, I was never exposed to, and like YouTube and all this stuff didn't like, exist in the same way to that this, like, I had no knowledge that this was weird. And, um, I remember as a, as a kid, like five years old, Like being in services and my, my mom being like on her knees during a service and being on my knees next to my mom and hearing my mom speak in tongues.

[00:19:28] Cory: So I, I guess there was like, there was a normalcy to it and there's like a comfort to it. Mm-hmm. Cause I'm experiencing with my mom, my dad, I remember he would walk around the house speaking in tongues. Like when he was in his prayer time going through or whatever, he was like, it was kind of like this thing where I was just like, knew not to like get involved, but like hearing him, um, so much to the point that my dad was doing from my brother.

[00:19:56] Cory: And I share this memory. So it's kind of in some way it's [00:20:00] like validated by somebody else's experience. They were doing a bible study on Wednesday nights in a home, uh, about the Holy Spirit. And then what would happen is like the kids, like we're all like six years old would be upstairs in a bedroom like playing or whatever.

[00:20:16] Cory: And my to the point, my brother and I got our friends together and we're like, we're going to pray to be baptized in the Holy Spirit and speak in new tongues. And this is my first memory of myself speaking in tongues, whatever that means. Uh, but at six years old in that Bible study, like that night, my brother and I and a few of our friends started speaking in tongues since that day, I would say that it has been a part of my personal practice, which I feel like I'm putting myself way out there on the leg.

[00:20:55] Cory: But like it's weird, um, [00:21:00] to the point where it's like when you said when a man that speaks in tongues doesn't speak or doesn't pray over men, but like speaks to God to me. Even through the ups and downs of, I disagree with this part of the theology or not that weirdly has been like an anchor for my Christian experience, is that I, when I don't have the words to pray, I can use that as a thing that I engage in my prayer life and it's not something I have to feel or be worked up to do.

[00:21:34] Cory: Like I can just do it now. I don't know if that's, you could say, is that a spiritual gift or is that a thing or is it just the fact that like, that was so familiar cuz it turns out the way I speak in tongues sounds an awful lot. Like the way my mom speaks in tongues and my dad speaks in tongues, which in a way I'm like, well that discredits it cuz it's not my own heavily language.

[00:21:57] Cory: But then I go through and it's like, does that matter? Right. [00:22:00] It doesn't, I don't, I don't think it does because for me, like what's the point of it? And for me it's, it's about being that place where I am kind of in a way, like turning off a part of my brain and just like giving, like letting the situation be right and being present and the what, the utterance of my mouth.

[00:22:25] Cory: I have no idea what this is. And I used to go through things cause I would get self-conscious about the way I spoke in tongues. Like that's my, that's my mom's tongue language, or my dad's. So I'd have to be like, start thinking about trying to like, have my own and make it sound And then I, that always felt like really manufactured.

[00:22:39] Cory: I'm like, I'm just trying to do this. So like, I've just now just reverted back to when I wanna speak in tongues. I just speak whatever comes out. Is that a learned thing from my mom? Is it a learned thing from my dad? Maybe. I don't, I don't think it really matters. Um, it's a source of comfort for me. Um, I, that [00:23:00] being said, I've had a couple moments where I've prayed over people.

[00:23:03] Cory: Okay. And, uh, one specifically it would be a friend, Josiah, the day he got married. Um, and we went down and before the service and took some time and like praying over him. And what I prefaced it with was like praying and I was like, said like, brother, I, I like said a few words, but then it was like, if it's okay, like I'm gonna, I'm just gonna pray in tongues over you and over this day, right.

[00:23:33] Cory: And kind of like gave an acknowledgement of like, and that's like a leap of faith, like, because like I'm not trying to weird somebody out right with it. Um, but for me like that it is, uh, it is, it is a level of peace in the activity. Um, so I, I look, I guess at tongues as like a very personal thing. I think as I've grown up, I've seen a lot of people pray in tongues or speak in tongues from a platform.

[00:23:59] Cory: And I [00:24:00] think that sometimes that, I don't know, is that unhelpful? It can be for sure. Um, but yeah, I guess it, the most important part of what I'm saying, like it, my experience was coming from a place where praying in tongues wasn't weird. Mm-hmm. So I only experienced it being weird from other people who said that their experience was weird.

[00:24:21] Cory: Yeah. So then that, so then I have to become sensitive and aware of that. Um, but ultimately from my foundation, it was like, it was always a part of my faith. Yeah. So I didn't have, and I also, like, I also grew up in like very sheltered, so I didn't have like a, a sense, like I didn't really understand that there were denominations in church.

[00:24:40] Cory: So I went to youth group as a high school in middle school, you know, love that didn't have, I didn't have all the walls like the, so I think it's harder for somebody that has all the preconceived notions to be able to operate in that kind of peace with it, because they have so much, the glass is already so full, right?

[00:24:59] Cory: Mm-hmm. [00:25:00] The scripture talks about that too, like with, and we, it talks with joy or whatever, but like it's like you have to, man this is crazy. Cause I don't wanna say like, you have to be able to empty your glass to be able to be filled up again. But then I think about the scripture, like you can't pour new wine into old wineskins cuz it'll burst cause they've already expanded.

[00:25:21] Cory: So how does somebody that has had the negative connotation or negative experience or weirdness, how do they even get to a point? And it, I have more I can go into, but like I, you know, I talked a lot there. 

[00:25:37] Taylor: Side note. I, I think that it does have to do with your background and how you grew up and I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

[00:25:43] Taylor: And I remember just a couple months after we had moved to Pittsburgh, I was asked to go with, um, The college pastor at the time to a conference that he was speaking at. [00:26:00] And so I went with him just as you know, need anything, whatever. I was there. Um, and I remember, and we went and, um, he wasn't on stage, but uh, he was either about to go up and preacher had just finished or something.

[00:26:18] Taylor: Somebody was up on stage praying and someone fell over. Mm-hmm. And I, like, I was, I wasn't like freaked out. I went into like, 

[00:26:36] Cory: concerned 

[00:26:37] Taylor: is this, what is she okay? Like, what is happening to this girl right now? And I literally went to the pastor I was with and I was like, dude, we should go over there. We need to make sure she's okay.

[00:26:48] Taylor: And he's like, you don't know what slain in the spirit is, do you? And I'm like, Yeah, just tell me if I need to call 9 1 1 or not. Like that was literally my [00:27:00] like, reaction. Yeah. It's like somebody just passed out. Yeah. Like, we need to go help this person. And I had never experienced anything like that before.

[00:27:11] Taylor: And here is what I will personally say about my experiences with gifts of the Holy Spirit as a whole. I would say wisdom, knowledge, prophecy, interpretation, all of these things. Tongues, right. Um, is I do believe that they are real and I do believe that they're given to people and I do believe that you can pray for them and receive them.

[00:27:43] Taylor: Um, but I also, and I'm not saying this about anyone who's like in your, you know, your wife's story, anything like that. But I'm saying my experience. I would also say that in my own personal experience, I [00:28:00] feel like, um, and this could be a gift of discernment. It feels like there are people who sometimes take advantage of those.

[00:28:08] Taylor: Sure. Mm-hmm. Um, I've, specifically with Prophecy, I've heard the term Pro Lion. Um, but I, I, it's, I've heard the term. Okay. Yeah. I think that it's hard because currently in my life now, if I hear someone speak in tongues, I don't think it's weird. Now I feel like I've spoken in tongues Exactly. Once I texted you about it.

[00:28:41] Taylor: Mm-hmm. Like the night of or the day after. And I feel like some, I feel like the Holy Spirit came over me. Mm-hmm. And it, it was what it was. Um, Yeah, but I felt, I don't feel like I have necessarily, I could have that gift, but I don't feel like if I have that gift, I feel like I've [00:29:00] done it before. My name is real.

[00:29:01] Taylor: There was the Holy Spirit coming over me, but I don't feel like I could just pray in tongues right now and it would be real. Yeah. For me personally. Mm-hmm. I don't feel like I have the ability to just do that. It doesn't mean that other people 

[00:29:15] Cory: don't. What, what, in your mind, what makes pr it real or not real?

[00:29:20] Cory: Like you said, you could do it, but it wouldn't be real. I 

[00:29:24] Taylor: like you be the, the night that I did pray in tongues in that situation, I genuinely feel like words were coming out of me that I needed to say out loud that I don't know what I was saying, but it was not of me. And if you did it right now, if I said speak, and I feel like if I did it right now, it would be of me.

[00:29:54] Taylor: Mm. Mm-hmm. I'm not saying that other people can't do that. Right. [00:30:00] I'm just saying my own personal experience. So Yeah. I mean, I, I don't feel like it's weird, but I think I've been around it too. Mm-hmm. And I think that it has become more common Yeah. At our church over the past 

[00:30:13] Cory: couple of years. Yeah. I feel like it also, it's like one of those things I have like a guard up about it.

[00:30:19] Cory: Mm-hmm. Um, because it's personal to me and 

[00:30:22] Taylor: because, can I say this is one of those things where I really just wanna call Jason? Yeah. Can I just call Jason right now? Yeah. You can call and I have like a, a phone recorder thing on my phone or like a phone call recorder, you know what I mean? Mm-hmm. Um, 

[00:30:41] Matt: so we can 

[00:30:41] Taylor: add this bit in.

[00:30:42] Taylor: Yeah. Right. So I want to call him and I'll ask him, and I'm gonna ask him, can you tell me what it is about praying in tongues? Do, are there any other questions that like, we would want to ask him you in detail. You ask him what it is 

[00:30:54] Cory: about. 

[00:30:55] Matt: Is it extra point? Is it bonus points If you pray in tongues, that's what I want to [00:31:00] know.

[00:31:00] Matt: Like why Yeah. Why was Kate prayed in tongues 

[00:31:02] Cory: and not just in English? Well, and just to finish the thought though, was like, I am, I feel comfortable with it, but it's also a thing that I feel very guarded about. And so certain people in my life I have relationship with, and if they pray over me and they speak in tongues, I'm cool with it.

[00:31:18] Cory: Mm-hmm. If other people do, I don't know why, if this is right or wrong, but I become very like, like, okay. Yeah. 

[00:31:25] Matt: Immediately puts me in. I've been prayed in tongues over once and I was, it put my guard up immediately. 

[00:31:31] Taylor: All right. He went straight to voicemail, so I guess we're not gonna talk to him. Okay. And I don't feel comfortable calling anyone else.

[00:31:38] Matt: I wanna ask you both about your personal experiences. So you have two different experiences. Yes. You have what I would call my expectation of speaking in tongues of mm-hmm. I'm filled with the Holy Spirit. So I want to get to what does that mean in your experience? But for you, Corey, you said you can kind of get yourself to a place where you can start doing it.

[00:31:58] Matt: Talk about for you what that [00:32:00] looks like. 

[00:32:01] Cory: Yeah. So I think very opposite from where Taylor's at. I feel like right now if you said speak in tongues, I could speak in tongues audibly, um, and not feel like I'm like forcing it or feel like I'm being disingenuine. And part of that I'm like thinking about, well, why?

[00:32:17] Cory: I don't know if it's necessarily a gift. Like I don't think it's a spiritual gift that I have, like where I give like speaking tongues over people. And then there's a prophet, like there's a, uh, what's the interpretation? Or there's, there's another biblical term for that. Yes. But like, um, I think that. For me, because it started so early, there was a practice of repetition.

[00:32:41] Cory: Mm-hmm. And I also go through it like a lot of the times when I speak in tongues, it sounds at least the first couple, like phrases are very similar mm-hmm. Every time. And I've thought about that a lot through my experiences. Like, why is it always that, and in my head, if I [00:33:00] say that the, the, the tones or the, the words quote unquote, that are coming your mouth are the same.

[00:33:07] Cory: Is that at its core, like in my head, is that really what, like the thing I should be praying for to God the most consistently? Can I ask a question? 

[00:33:17] Taylor: Mm-hmm. When you pray in tongues, are you praying in tongues with intent? 

[00:33:24] Cory: Yes. Usually. Yeah. Well, no, 

[00:33:27] Taylor: what I mean by that is, are you praying for, for specific things?

[00:33:31] Taylor: Like if I said, yeah, pray for healing for me. Yeah. And you could, or is praying in tongues more of like a God's will God, whatever your will is, do that kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:33:44] Cory: Um, I think that was certain topics. There would be things if you said, Corey, pray for healing. Like I have what I would say is the word of God, the scripture.

[00:33:55] Cory: And I have a kind of vocabulary for that. Like [00:34:00] that's memorized that I can draw from. Yeah. So that's a topic. So like I will, um, pull from those things first usually. So it's not like I like, um, generally for me, it's like when I switch gears to saying I'm gonna speak in tongues or pray in tongues, it is over a situation where it's like, in the moment, my understanding, my personal knowledge of the text is like, I'm not gonna just grasp.

[00:34:28] Cory: Like, sometimes I feel like the weight of the situation is so much, there's like, I'm not just gonna cherry pick like random verses Yeah. For it. Um, and all those verses they, they could still apply. Yeah. But for me, like that is, uh, usually on call when I'm at an emotional or state where it is. I am, I guess like in my head, like I would say like I'm trying to go deeper than just saying.

[00:34:53] Cory: Right. Those things that are Right. So easily recalled. Um, by 

[00:34:59] Taylor: the way, [00:35:00] for everyone out there who's listening to this, this is so real right now because this is a conversation that over the years Corey and I have not had a conversation about this. Mm-hmm. So like what you're seeing right now or hearing between me and Corey is like what Band Jam is supposed to be.

[00:35:16] Taylor: Cuz this is a very real conversation mm-hmm. That we're having right now because I have so many questions. 

[00:35:22] Cory: Me too. That I just wanna, I'm happy to answer as best I can answer honestly. I don't want wanna dig in too 

[00:35:26] Matt: before we do. Yeah. Talk about being filled with the spirit or having the spirit come over you.

[00:35:31] Matt: Yeah. Talk about what led up to that moment. Yeah. How you walked outta that being like, the spirit came over me. Yeah. How do you 

[00:35:38] Cory: know? 

[00:35:39] Taylor: Yeah. Um, okay. So I will give you an example of a story that I feel like paints a picture. And it's actually my, my kind of testimony of being saved, of, of accepting Jesus, of my wife and I were at this conference.

[00:35:56] Taylor: We were in college together, and both of us in [00:36:00] college, um, declared ourselves as atheist, didn't believe, didn't want anything to do with anything. There was a mentor who had stepped in my life, who had been talking to me for several months, but he never pushed anything. He never judged me. He never condemned me.

[00:36:14] Taylor: But he would do very particular things. He would always invite me to church. I would always say no. I would want to hang out with him and he would say, let's hang out at 7:00 AM on Saturday morning, because he knew that I was going out on Friday nights, but he never said that. Mm-hmm. He was like, Hey, if you want to hang out with me at 7:00 AM on Saturday morning or nothing, um, he loved me dearly and he invited me to this conference.

[00:36:40] Taylor: We went to this conference and on Sunday morning, um, they did, you know, like a church service and then they did an altar call. My wife and I were there together. This was in January of 2011. And they did, uh, you know, the service had been great and they had [00:37:00] gone down and they had done the altar calling.

[00:37:01] Taylor: Whenever they start going like, everybody uses like John three 16 and hey, like all this kind of stuff. And, and I was like, no, F no, no. This is dumb. This is so dumb. I was trying to convince myself that I wasn't feeling anything. Right. And basically, um, my wife has talked about it, which I would love whenever we do an episode with her, for her to give her side of this story, because her side of this story is so important because, um, Brooke was standing there and basically as soon as the pastor who was on the stage said 3, 2, 1, it was like an actual alter call.

[00:37:46] Taylor: Like it wasn't like raise your hand, it was like go down to the front of the stage. Right. Um, and my wife was sitting there struggling because she was going as soon as he said won. [00:38:00] And she has talked about before about how the battle that she was going on in my head, in her head, I'm sorry, was that this was either gonna make or break our relationship because this wasn't something that we had talked about.

[00:38:17] Taylor: Mm-hmm. And it wasn't something that she thought that I was still on this way, polar opposite end. And to her, in her mind, if she went down for altar call, that could be us breaking up because we wouldn't agree on something as big as, as what it was, right? Mm-hmm. Um, so pastors said 3, 2, 1, and Brooke was gone.

[00:38:40] Taylor: I like looked and Brooke was gone. And I can't describe the feelings, um, that I was feeling. It wasn't an overwhelming, it wasn't this, um, like deeply [00:39:00] emotional thing or anything. Like I wasn't crying yet. It was a fight of where I didn't want to admit that, that Jesus was real, that he had come to earth and he had died for our sins.

[00:39:19] Taylor: I didn't want to, to repent. I didn't wanna do any of it. And I know that this sounds so crazy, but there, there was like a minute or two and there were like a lot of people going down. And the pastor did something that, that a lot of people hate. A lot of people despise. The pastor said, Hey listen, if there's anybody else out there, I know there's somebody else out there.

[00:39:45] Taylor: This is for you. This is your moment. Take this step. And I know a lot of people are like, whenever you hear that, but I was saved by that and I went down. And when I went down, [00:40:00] I don't feel like I had control. I feel like that was an experience of me letting go. Mm-hmm. And went down to the front, got a bible, started going to church, joined a small group, did all the things, and now we're here today.

[00:40:17] Taylor: But I feel like there have been very specific moments in my life that I can probably count on one hand. Mm-hmm. Where I truly, honestly feel like I was not in control anymore. That what was happening, I wasn't doing, I wasn't making the decision to do, I wasn't choosing to do, it was just happening. Yeah.

[00:40:44] Taylor: And me going down an altar call was one of those experiences, and me praying in tongues, I feel like is another one of those experiences for me of where there wasn't any, like I, I don't feel like there was any [00:41:00] premeditation of like, I'm going to do this. Mm-hmm. It was just something that happened. Yeah.

[00:41:06] Taylor: And then it happened, and then after I go, whoa. 

[00:41:13] Cory: What was that? Yeah, it was crazy. Yeah. I think that's something that I found talking about like my experience of like, I didn't understand that thing being like the Holy Spirit was weird. Right. And I remember going into like high school, being a part of a interdenominational inner church kind of youth group.

[00:41:33] Cory: And my brother and I are just being ourselves. So like that was part of just who we were. We weren't really bashful about it, but we also weren't like up on a stage speaking in tongues over people. Mm-hmm. But people I think saw something that was different and would start to go like, be like, Hey, what is this like we want to like learn about?

[00:41:52] Cory: And it became a thing where multiple times my brother Cody and I were asked to go like, pray for somebody to be filled with the Holy [00:42:00] Spirit. And ran like weird acts like Cody, I'm sorry if you're listening to this. I'm like, but dude, like Cody had a thing in high school, man. Like, and I would say like, I don't wanna say names, but like, people like that.

[00:42:12] Cory: He would just like, they would be wanted and Cody would just be like, grab him and be like, be like, I'll pray for you right now. Like, let's go. And like, they would go like, do not like thing, like, I'll take you inside the room. But like, like, but like literally kids, like high school kids, like getting baptized in the Holy Spirit and started speaking in their tongues.

[00:42:28] Cory: Mm-hmm. And then we would also have these experiences where religious leaders in the community mm-hmm. Wanted to be tapped into more. Mm-hmm. And then they'd be like, Corey, can you come pray with us? Right. And like, go out to like a field. Right. And there was your, and it was time and time again of like, we want this and pray.

[00:42:45] Cory: And like, you were like, kind of like, it's very like legalistic, almost like the like to try to beg God for this gift. Yeah. So they could let, so they could be a spot and like, and receive, and then the proof of their receiving was speaking in tongues. And that's where I think it [00:43:00] really becomes dangerous.

[00:43:01] Cory: Mm-hmm. And warped, right? Because you said something that I thought like, was like really hit and it was the spot of like, recognizing moments that are of the spirit can be as simple as moments where it's like I'm not in control. And so often I brought this up to you guys earlier today. Um, I so easily become frustrated with things that happen outside of my control.

[00:43:23] Cory: Mm-hmm. Cuz I want everything to be within my control. Right. But in those thoughts, like, I think about like what if all those things are the Holy Spirit working or is the Holy Spirit working through those so hard and like, you don't know, but like, I like, like that idea of like, am I being protected from something?

[00:43:43] Cory: Right. Is is the thing that helped made me slow? Like it's like, is that all just like, is the Holy Spirit, is it that still small voice? Well, the Holy, holy Spirit 

[00:43:50] Taylor: is always working. I believe. Mm-hmm. Always there, always working. I, I, what I would say is, I think something you [00:44:00] said is, you said, uh, in high school, you, you said that you didn't think the Holy Spirit was weird.

[00:44:05] Taylor: Yeah. I don't think the Holy Spirit is weird. I think what some people do in the name of the Holy Spirit is weird. 

[00:44:15] Cory: Yeah. And I would say that you're like, that's reasonable because you see, I mean Yeah. Right. And it's hard. It's like how do you, and this is where I think I fall into all, cuz you could look at, you could open up TikTok or any like, social media platform and see like all sorts of weird videos of people.

[00:44:34] Cory: Like, and it becomes funny. Um, my response usually when I see like being in a place where I'm like, that's a part of my practice. When I see somebody making fun of something crazy, I don't generally like get super offended about it. Right. Or defensive. Right. With all of that, I try as weird as some of it looks at, like, I'm gonna be like, man, it's like no matter what, like God's [00:45:00] gonna judge their heart.

[00:45:00] Cory: Right. I can't judge the heart of the person. As weird as it might be on my side, like Right. And this could go as simple as like, you're in a Sunday worship service. Right. And inevitably there's somebody that's clapping too hard, right? Like, this is an awkward heart. Or, or about like, we're fall, like falling over doing their, like getting on their knees or whatever their expression of their worship is.

[00:45:19] Cory: I come to the spot where it's like my mature response is like, and it's hard because sometimes it's like you look at it and it's like you look across the room, you's like side, like be like, you see this right now. Right. But really it's like, it's not like, it's not my place to judge. All right. That situation.

[00:45:33] Cory: Let's dive into 

[00:45:34] Taylor: a real, real Taylor Cory basement conversation right now. Ready for it? Sure. All right. Will you pray tongues right now? Yeah. Okay. 

[00:45:44] Cory: I would like, that's so funny. So like, but I really like just to be like, I would, but that's so I don't like, yeah. So, so, but okay, so, all right. [00:46:00] I feel so bubbly right now.

[00:46:02] Cory: It's so weird. I love that for you and I'm like, in my head, I'm going through all these like things of like, I wanna speak in tongues right now. I don't want to do something that, to me feels good, cuz like Paul would talk about from dietary restrictions to anything. Mm-hmm. Is like, if I'm good with it, that's, that doesn't gimme a license.

[00:46:23] Cory: If it offends my brother, right. I won't do it. And to the point where it's like, I think it would be so fun to just speak in tongues right now. Right. Because it's not, but it's like I recognize that it's not a huge thing for me. Like I'm genuinely excited right now. Yeah. But I don't want to abuse that freedom.

[00:46:41] Cory: Right. To a point where it becomes something that's a hindered source to somebody else. Right. I don't know. 

[00:46:47] Taylor: What, maybe I should ask this after we pray. Yeah. I, maybe we can pray for one of us to have a gift of interpretation, [00:47:00] but like, my question, like I want to be like, well what are you gonna pray for?

[00:47:04] Taylor: Like, 

[00:47:05] Cory: yeah. You know what I mean? Like, but like, my thing right now is like, I wouldn't even have like in my mental, and I wanna come to you, Matt, cause I feel like you got a lot working at, uh, but my thing right now, when you say like, Brandon, like I would just speak in tongues. This is, I cannot, and this is gonna be aired for anybody that ever knows me to listen to, which is great.

[00:47:20] Cory: Uh, and just so weird. But that's okay. Um, it's a weird part of who I am, uh, that like my thought, right when you said like, what would you pray for? I was like, I would just be speaking good. Like, it would just be like, love, right? Goodness over the situation, over the conversation. Right. Um, so I don't even get hung up on this like, well, I have to pray about something serious heavy.

[00:47:43] Cory: It would just be a manifestation of like, there is. For me, that spirit that's inside that I've identified as the Holy Spirit, like that is just like, the opportunity to like engage with him is just like, so, like, I'm just, I would be, it'd just fun. Like I would just do it, right. [00:48:00] Sorry, go. Like, no, 

[00:48:03] Taylor: no, because like, the, the thing is, is I'm sitting here going, and I'm not claiming to have a gift of discernment or understanding or wisdom or knowledge or any of the things that you can say biblically, right?

[00:48:17] Taylor: But like, that feels real of if I were to pray in tongues right now, like it's basically gonna be like good vibes in a very, very paraphrased version. That's the, 

[00:48:33] Matt: that's the passion translation. 

[00:48:37] Taylor: Yeah. Like in very, very paraphrased version. Like, and, and I think that that is where some of the questions for me starts to come in of.

[00:48:46] Taylor: The question that we, that, that Matt started off the night with of like, somebody prayed for his wife and tongues. Now in that situation, it you have to, you have to have context. Context, yeah. Because [00:49:00] Kay's not going up to this person and explaining everything that's going in her life and exactly what she needs to be prayed for.

[00:49:05] Taylor: Right. She is accepting prayer and coming to get prayer from someone if I'm That's correct. If I'm not mistaken. You're right. You're right. She's going to someone for prayer and they are responding with, without knowing anything about her or her situation by praying in tongue. So I'm not calling that fake by any means.

[00:49:30] Taylor: Right. But this is where the questions that I personally have come in of like, you know, you talked about if somebody, you know, praying over Josiah at his wedding are, you know, different things of like, is there. The real question is, is there a piece of you that has control over it or is it not? Yeah, so I 

[00:49:52] Cory: think that's also part of like where there can be people that make it such a thing.

[00:49:56] Cory: Like pray for me to speak in tongues and then I'm gonna like wait [00:50:00] and speak in tongues. There is a part, no matter what you are speaking, you have to open your mouth and speak. Yes. So I don't sit there with just my mouth open and be like, eh. Right. Like, and then God starts moving my mouth. That's not, that's faith without works is dead.

[00:50:17] Cory: Like there is a work that happens and that is human. Mm-hmm. So for me personally, I'm like, when I'd be like, you have to speak in tongues. Yeah. Like you have to step out, you have to do the practice and go through in like, Is it learned? Is it not? Like, I don't really think any of that matters personally.

[00:50:36] Cory: Right. Like I, I was like my, what matters to me is the heart that you do it right. And you even, like, just when you thought about, like, I think about like, there have been moments in my life of real joy mm-hmm. Where I will get in my car after like good news, whatever that thing is. I mean, finding out the birth of my kids, like, and all I did was like, it wasn't a prayer for something.

[00:50:59] Cory: This [00:51:00] is like also the thing is like we don't look at praying in tongues the same way we misappropriate praying to God in our earthly language where we just come with them of our once in our checklist. There are times where I think I just pray in tongues because I'm just full of joy. Like I'm just happy and I'm excited and it's like, it's not just like, I'm like, there were times where I pray in times where it's like I don't have the words to pray, Lord.

[00:51:23] Cory: So I'm praying and I'm act asking that you move in this situation. In some way, whether that's peace that's healing or whatever. And then there are also times where it's like, this is just me. Like I just, I feel so connected with the flow of the divine and God that like I, that's me just in engaging with the father.

[00:51:43] Cory: Mm-hmm. Um, that's not a heavy, I've got something serious going on. Like, or like something that can't be spoken. It's just joy. Yeah. Um, and I don't know if that's the part of the speaking in tongues that's ever is talked about as much. Yeah. Matt, what do you have? Do you have something over [00:52:00] there? You said 

[00:52:00] Matt: something earlier and you really just touched on, it's like letting go of control and the way that the Holy Spirit works when you release control.

[00:52:08] Matt: And that broke the bubble for me of what it means to speak in tongues of like, that's bridging the gap between what I know how to say and what I need. And then you talk about they don't know Kate's backstory. They don't know everything that she needs. So let's say she does go up there and they start praying over in English.

[00:52:28] Matt: They're just gonna say the things that you say in prayer, right? And more than likely you are walking out of that feeling the same way as if somebody had. And so it's, I just really speaking in tongues is release of my prayer and my control of what I want and need and leading me in where I need to go, rather than me trying to control like God that I need this, I need this, I need this.

[00:52:55] Matt: My day's going this way. I need you to turn it this way. It's that release of, [00:53:00] mm-hmm I'm here and I need something. 

[00:53:05] Cory: But yeah, I love that. Yeah. I think that all of us, you know, it's, it's similar I think to faith. And I know in the scripture it talks about, there's two things. There's, there's the water baptism, there's the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

[00:53:17] Cory: Yes. There's two things I think that we all look for this big physical manifestation all the time of what the baptism of the Holy Spirit is. And really, I, and I'm blanking on scriptures right now, I'd like to go through it, but like I believe that it is something that if we ask for, we receive. So you can do that by yourself individually.

[00:53:41] Cory: They say, Lord, I wanna be baptized in the Holy Spirit. I want more of you. Mm-hmm. I believe you receive that whether you have a thing, like, it's the same thing with healing or anything. If we, every time we pray for somebody to be healed and we walked up and we're like, like is the bone healed? Like, it's like, no, we don't do that anymore.

[00:53:57] Cory: We realize that there's a process and God works through time [00:54:00] and space and. Yeah, there's seasons. So I think like you could, like I believe if your heart, if you say like, Lord, I wanna be baptized in the Holy Spirit because my heart is to have a deeper relationship and a closer relationship to with you.

[00:54:12] Cory: Mm-hmm. You receive that immediately, that God is right there with you. Whether that looks like you speak in tongues or not, maybe, no. But I would also say this will be a, another story. Um, and I'm gonna use the name Sammy Wagner, if you're listening. Uh, one of my best friends through college, uh, grew up Catholic, uh, with a deep reverence for like Christianity in the faith, but like not anything close to like my background.

[00:54:43] Cory: And started coming to church. We started doing church together through college and being a part of like, in, in worship. And he was like talking about. Being filled with the Holy Spirit and remember praying for him to be filled with the Holy Spirit. And then him feeling like that should be a manifest equal equals a manifestation of speaking in [00:55:00] tongues.

[00:55:00] Cory: Didn't happen, but like we all agree, like to remember speaking over him, be like, dude, you're filled with the Holy Spirit no matter what. Like you have that. And then weirdly, like in college, I, we'd like be going to bed after a night of whatever we might be drinking, do whatever, but be like, I'll see you in the morning, you'll be speaking in tongues.

[00:55:16] Cory: And it just over and over and over and over again. Yeah. And then one day the dude freaking calls me from his car and he's just speaking in tongues over the phone. Right. And so at some point, so like he received the baptism of the Holy Spirit, I believe way before 

[00:55:32] Taylor: he accepted it, he received it, right? He received it.

[00:55:36] Taylor: He received it. Yeah. But like, but 

[00:55:38] Cory: like the act if like if the fruit of that, he's like, Lord, I wanna speak in tongues. Well then at some point, like he has like, that looks different. And it's not always in the moment. But at some point he's, and I think he was listening to, that's what saying, Jeremy, can, I think 

[00:55:50] Taylor: receiving something and accepting something are two different things.

[00:55:54] Taylor: Do you think he could have received something but didn't accept it until he called you on the phone and he [00:56:00] was speaking you? Maybe 

[00:56:00] Cory: that, that part of it or like that manifestation of it. Right. Yeah. Um, and I think for him it was like, or not, I don't speak for it, but like, I think it becomes a point of like, like you, like at some point it's like, I don't know if, I don't mean to be trivializing it, but like speaking in tongues is an act of faith too.

[00:56:19] Cory: Yes. Um, receiving your healing is an act of faith. Yes. Um, all these things, they, they're, they can be an immediate thing and inspiration strikes and like the right, and you just start speaking in tongues and the moment somebody lays hands on you. Mm-hmm. But I think it also can be you listening to a worship song in your car.

[00:56:38] Cory: Right. But making the choice that like you in fact do have to speak. I think it's one of those things that it is a practice behavior and a learned thing where it's like, cuz it's a language and you engage in it and the more you do it, the more comfortable you become in it. Right. That can lead to abuse.

[00:56:56] Cory: Right. And things. But I think it also is, [00:57:00] can be a really significant and powerful thing to opening up an aspect of your relationship with God. That, that I think, I think can change everything like that. The deepens it. Well I wanna, I wanna 

[00:57:13] Taylor: pray. I want you to pray. Mm-hmm. I want you to pray in tongues on the podcast, on the podcast.

[00:57:21] Taylor: I want to give a disclaimer and then I want to open us in prayer. Okay. And then I want you to pray. Can we do that? Are you good with that? Because like that, I feel like that, that's a big piece of it too. Cause we don't have to, 

[00:57:39] Cory: this is part where it's like we're just, this is the real part of the conversation.

[00:57:43] Cory: Yeah. Because it's important that we all don't always just go along and do the things. Correct. So like we have to be able to like, have a conversation and talk about, um, I genuinely, my concern is, or thought of like, uh, I do not want [00:58:00] this and I don't want any of this cut, but like, I don't want this to be, um, a hindrance, um, to anybody.

[00:58:10] Cory: So I'm like, in this moment trying to process and feel, um, is this the right thing to do? Yeah. And I'm just going through that. And so like, if we could push pause on the praying thing. Yeah. Until, unless you're trying to wrap up now. I don't know how long we've 

[00:58:26] Taylor: been talking. No. So I, I think part of it is, um, 

[00:58:31] Cory: because I don't wanna do something that's manufactured.

[00:58:33] Cory: No, no, 

[00:58:34] Taylor: no. I don't want, I don't want there to be anything manufactured either, which is why I want to. Talked directly to the people for a second. Mm-hmm. And then I want to open us in prayer. Mm-hmm. And then realistically, you could go anywhere you wanted to Okay. With that. But we still don't have to do it right this second.

[00:58:55] Taylor: Uh, I, I think the big thing is, is I don't actually want that to be the wrap [00:59:00] up. 

[00:59:00] Cory: Okay. I want to, I guys do it and 

[00:59:02] Taylor: then talk about it after. Like, I want to, like, I want, this is gonna get crazy. No, I just want, I, I love it. Like, I, I think the big thing is, is like you, you were just talking of like, uh, you were, you were saying it requires work, which you were using without works.

[00:59:23] Taylor: Faith is dead. But, and I'm gonna take that, and you've said it before too, of like, it requires faith. Mm-hmm. Right. And I think faith stars and mustard seed can move mountains. Right. Of, I also like lake. We had no idea that we were going down this, this path when we started tonight. And like, to be fair, we were supposed to have a guest on recording right now.

[00:59:57] Taylor: Mm-hmm. They wanted to [01:00:00] reschedule. You guys came over to the house and we sat here for like an hour and a half, like just talking, listening to music, like chilling. And it was like, we need to, like we're mm-hmm. We're gonna record. So we should record. Yeah. And we were talking about like important things before.

[01:00:19] Taylor: Right. But then we start recording and you bring up praying in tongues and 

[01:00:29] Cory: you 

[01:00:31] Taylor: like, I, I think the thing is, is I feel a certain way right now. Mm-hmm. Which I could try to put in words if you really wanted me to. But I also want it to be a certain way for anybody who ever listens to this. Mm-hmm. Because they aren't in the room right 

[01:00:49] Matt: now.

[01:00:49] Matt: Talk about the way you're feeling right now, because I think you and I are on two different pages of how we feel right now, and we probably resemble the way two different people are gonna feel listening to this. Can you tell, tell me how you feel. [01:01:00] First, very apprehensive. I wonder, my brain immediately goes to like, well, if you're gonna do it right now, why?

[01:01:07] Matt: You know? Mm-hmm. And what's the purpose of you doing it? Yes. On this podcast right now, what is that? Prove? That's where I'm at. I would love, like, love for you to do it, but that's where, and I feel this little knot in my stomach. Yes. That I call nervousness and anxiety and uh, I have a feeling that that's how people are gonna receive this and listen to it.

[01:01:30] Matt: Yeah. That's great. So like, let's knock that wall down together. Yes. And let's figure out 

[01:01:35] Cory: like if that's the right thing to do though, because like, and do think, like, that's like what Paul like talked about. Like I'm not, let's, let's talk about the offend purpose 

[01:01:43] Taylor: oft. Can we just talk about for a second that drummer Matt is fully here in this moment right now, though, know it 

[01:01:48] Matt: well.

[01:01:48] Matt: Let's talk about the purpose of, of Tongue before you do it. Let's, we've talked a lot about it. Mm-hmm. But I don't know that we've like simple 30 seconds to a minute. [01:02:00] Why do you do it? 

[01:02:01] Cory: Yeah. Again, not an expert. I'm gonna talk from my personal experience, a translation of the scripture. I think from Corinthians that Taylor talked about, like, when you pray in tongues, you don't speak to men, but you speak to God.

[01:02:17] Cory: One interpretation of that that I've heard is that when you speak in tongues, you like, you whisper, whisper secret truths to the father. Um, so, uh, 

[01:02:30] Taylor: just to give context, it's first Corinthians 14, two, and I'm just going to go to the actual Bible and not a quote off the internet, but in the New King James version.

[01:02:45] Taylor: Okay. Uh, first Corinthians 14, two, for he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men, but to God for no one understands him. However, in the spirit, he speaks mysteries. So I want to read [01:03:00] that again. In literally the passion. The passion version says this. It says, when someone speaks in tongues, no one understands a word.

[01:03:08] Taylor: He says, because he is not speaking to people, but to God. He is speaking intimate mysteries in the spirit. There's a little, um, bubble next to. That verse, which the passion, there's a whole backstory behind it. They take translations based 'em off of Aramaic, which is what was actually being spoken then. Uh, the bubble says, this verse makes it clear that the tongues Paul refers to are not known languages, but spirit inspired utterances.

[01:03:39] Taylor: So that's the verse that Corey is talking about right now. 

[01:03:44] Cory: Um, so then the whole thing is why do I do it? Because I believe, like I said, in the moments that are the hardest, and it, the pendulum swings to the moments that I feel the most joy. And then as also the middle point where this [01:04:00] happened literally last night, I've been really struggling sometimes in personally in church services of being like, I should be feeling a certain kind of way I have in the past.

[01:04:12] Cory: Why am I not? Like, what are all the things that I'm like, what am I worried about? What am I looking at? What am I considering? Why am I not feeling. Emotionally moved by specifically like worship. Cuz I've always been moved by worship like last night in that I didn't feel a single freaking thing, but I spoke tongues and my experience in worship changed.

[01:04:40] Cory: So what it's, it's, it's not always a, I'm a, a sad feeling, so I speak in tongues. I'm a happy feeling. Sometimes I don't have to feel anything. But the act of doing it for me draws me closer to God. That's why. Great. I will still, I 

[01:04:57] Taylor: will still give you my perspective. Yes. If you want [01:05:00] me to, I would love that.

[01:05:02] Taylor: My perspective is in moments like these, I just get really excited and my main thought process right. I'm not gonna necessarily call it expectant cause I don't think that's actually what it's, I think hopeful is a good word, but I also think that, here's the thing is that for me, if I hear Corey speak in tongues, Corey has his own experience.

[01:05:43] Taylor: Mm-hmm. Corey has decades cuz he's old of experiences with speaking in tongues and speaking in tongues. For Corey has a certain move on his heart and his mind, and [01:06:00] his soul and his body. And what it does for me is completely and utterly dependent on my heart, I believe. And what that means is you don't have to have a completely open heart, because it doesn't mean it's just gonna change you, but it can't open you up to something.

[01:06:20] Taylor: Right. It can open a door, per se. And I think that the whole thing with, with the whole thing about speaking in tongues, right. One of one of 'em, and we can dive more into this, like right now, right. Of one of my things with, I, I think any kind of gift, uh, or spirit or fruit of the Holy Spirit, um, whether it's prophesying or whether it's speaking in tongues, right, of if [01:07:00] you can just do it on a whim mm-hmm.

[01:07:03] Taylor: Then does that mean that you can just call the Holy Spirit to come? To you or work through you or, yeah. At a moment. At any moment in time. 

[01:07:16] Cory: Yeah. Which the answer is yes. And the answer is yes. That anybody that's saved or believes in Christ practices like, but anybody that's filled with the Holy Spirit can do that.

[01:07:28] Cory: Cuz the scripture says that the same spirit that raised Jesus Christ from the dead dwells in you. So this is like, I guess the thing is, I, I will pray in, would pray in the spirit recorded, which is crazy. But the thing that I would preface for it before I did it, I would, I am not, I would not speak in tongues over anybody else.

[01:07:52] Cory: And it's not any, it's not for anybody. Or if, if I do this, like I'm gonna do this for my edification, right? [01:08:00] And for the joy of Lord, then like the spirit that's inside of me and not for anything else. Right? So like I. I'm not speaking to somebody. And that's the beautiful thing. Like I don't have to prophesy like the gift of prophecies.

[01:08:11] Cory: You're speaking over somebody. Right. They go through it as like, for me, no, it's not for anybody else. Which is the weird part about doing it. Like it's not a performance. It's a weird part. And I've never been in a situation where I've been asked to speak publicly in tongues. Mm-hmm. So it's a weird thing.

[01:08:29] Cory: It is 

[01:08:29] Taylor: weird. 

[01:08:30] Cory: It's weird, but like my piece in it and I might, you know, we can receive a feedback on it and be counseled by people smarter than me. Cuz like we say, we're ordinary believers. This is not necessarily an ordinary thing. Or maybe it is maybe a lot of people do and like, or could do. Um, but like whenever I engage with this, like I solely do it, not selfishly, but like, like in that situation, I'd be just doing it for me and for this experience.

[01:08:59] Cory: Right. [01:09:00] So nobody's supposed to necessarily receive anything. Right. If you do or if they would. That's okay. Right. And if you wanted to stop listening, you can stop listening. And if we don't do this at all and we stop recording, and then the three of us are in the room and like we actually share, because again, this is a picture of what we do in real life, right?

[01:09:19] Cory: So like we can still have this experie we don't experience for you Terry, we don't have to do it recording. Correct? 

[01:09:23] Taylor: Correct. Matt, what are you, what are you feeling right now? 

[01:09:27] Cory: Um, 

[01:09:28] Matt: so 

[01:09:29] Cory: I 

[01:09:29] Taylor: remember please be incredibly honest too, like, 

[01:09:32] Matt: yeah. So I re the first message at Amplify that was talked about tongues.

[01:09:38] Matt: Mm-hmm. I went on YouTube immediately after, grabbed the link, sent it to my parents, called them. I was like, Hey, we've never talked about this in church before. I had just started going to this church. I was like, it's the first, it's become a thing for me. So I'm looking, do I need to dip outta here? Um, are they right, are they wrong?

[01:09:57] Matt: And outta that conversation, my mom said, no, [01:10:00] we believe in speaking in tongues. I've prayed for it my whole life. I've never. Been given the gift that Francis Chan also in 2016 said that he's been praying and praying and praying and he's never been given the gift. I guess since then he has, uh, I wasn't able to find a firm confirmation of that.

[01:10:18] Matt: But you know, you said something to the, maybe I misunderstood, but everyone praying in the spirit can speak in tongues. Maybe I missed, but I think that's what you said, 

[01:10:29] Cory: right? I effect, I said that anybody that's technically been like filled with the Holy Spirit or received the baptism of the Holy Spirit, I say has the capacity.

[01:10:38] Cory: They could speak in tongues, so I could be theologically wrong there, but that's my opinion. Well's 

[01:10:42] Matt: say that that is right. Does that mean that my mom, Francis Chan, that I have not been, I'm not filled with the spirit. Is that what is the lack? There is, are there people that are just simply not given the gift?

[01:10:55] Matt: It sounds like there's either everyone has it's, or either everyone ha has 

[01:10:59] Cory: it. [01:11:00] Well, so I think the scripture, and this is. Correct. But there has, there's a gift of utterance, which is speaking in tongues out loud over people. And in that case, I believe it calls for an interpretation, but in my opinion, like I, this is where like, I think the initial like hesitation of it is like, I don't necessarily feel like I have the gift of utterance or the gift to speak in tongues out loud over people.

[01:11:27] Cory: It's a personal thing for me. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. That again, I would say like, like Taylor, I'm somebody that I get excited about it because it's a, it's been a well of comfort and joy in my life, so, but not something I've ever done publicly. Yeah. Like I've never spoken on a microphone. So, 

[01:11:44] Taylor: so here's what I will say is biblically, let's go biblical for just a second.

[01:11:49] Taylor: Is this is, um, First Corinthians 12, and I'm gonna start reading in verse four. So first Corinthians 12, four [01:12:00] there, and this is out of the NIV version. There are different kinds of gifts, but the same spirit distributes them. There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. There are different kinds of working, but in all of them, and in everyone is the same God at work.

[01:12:12] Taylor: Now to each one, the manifestation of the spirit is given for the common good to one. There is given through the spirit a message of wisdom to another message of knowledge by the means of the same spirit, to another faith by the same spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one spirit to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits to another, speaking in different kinds of tongues and is still another, the interpretation of tongues.

[01:12:34] Taylor: All of these, wait, all these are the work of one and the same spirit, and he distributes them to each one just as he determines. Okay? So I do not believe. That everyone is given all of those gifts, and I do not believe that everyone [01:13:00] has been given the gift of speaking in tongues. Here's what I will say, I don't know exactly how to put it into words, but I think that there are people who can be given a gift, and I think that there are also moments where the Holy Spirit can act and it happens anyway regardless of the gift.

[01:13:22] Taylor: Mm-hmm. Right? And so I think a gift becomes a talent. Mm-hmm. A gift, because something that you find joy in, that you're comfortable with, that you can operate in. But I will say that I don't feel comfortable and I don't feel like I can operate in speaking in tongues, but I will say I 100% feel like I have spoken in tongues.

[01:13:47] Taylor: Mm-hmm. Right. And so I don't believe that everyone is given the gift of prophecy. But what that also means, I don't think, I'm not going put [01:14:00] prophecy, put a limit. Yeah. On the Holy Spirit to say that the Holy Spirit couldn't work in you and give you a prophecy for me. Yes. As a complete hypothetical example, give a prophecy for me.

[01:14:12] Taylor: You tell that to me. And that is from the Holy Spirit. Even if you don't have that gift per se. Right. I think that it can be, I, I personally sure believe 

[01:14:24] Cory: that. So this is script, just to go back real quick to on your point. Sorry. Do you have something you wanna immediately go to? You go first. Um, I think in the New Testament there are things you can pull from Paul's letters.

[01:14:41] Cory: Things you could pull from the gospel that could add on surface level, I think in my head, could seem a little contradictory. Mm-hmm. So we'll let those things fall. I'll read from Mark 16. Jesus is resurrected. Yes. Comes back, mark 1615 and he starts, uh, he's talking to, to his followers there. He says, as you [01:15:00] go into all the world, preach openly, openly the wonderful news of the gospel, uh, to the entire human race.

[01:15:05] Cory: Whoever believes the good news and is baptized will be saved. And whoever does not believe the good news will be condemned. And these miracle, miracle signs will accompany those who believe, they will drive out demons in the power of my name. They will speak in tongues, they'll be, uh, supernaturally protected from snakes and from drinking anything poisonous.

[01:15:21] Cory: Which what the heck does that mean? Uh, and they will lay hands on the sick and they will recover or they will heal them. So in that Jesus saying like, whoever believes in the gospel will speak in new tongue, unless I'm misreading that which is possible. 

[01:15:35] Taylor: So I'm not gonna say that you're misreading it, but what I will say is I do wanna look at blue letter Bible.

[01:15:41] Taylor: Because there's two different words used for the word languages and there's a heavenly language. Just check it out and there's a regular language. Right? And so I don't know, but what I'm saying is, is there could be places where it says 

[01:15:59] Cory: [01:16:00] speaking like keyboard hands, where it's like we're on the four now, minor four is very different time.

[01:16:04] Cory: Mm-hmm. 

[01:16:05] Taylor: Where it could be talking about tongues, but that doesn't necessarily mean, uh, it can mean different things. And I don't think that takes away mm-hmm. Anything from it, by the way? No. So blue letter Bible Mark 1617, um, the word tongues is glo, 

[01:16:26] Cory: let's commit now. Cause this has been going to, is like, let's have at least two other conversations glo with people that are in the future.

[01:16:34] Cory: Yeah. Like about. Specifically about the Holy Spirit and tongues and cuz I feel like a lot of ordinary believers Yeah. Have been, let's just do a 

[01:16:45] Matt: whole spiritual gift series. 

[01:16:46] Taylor: Yeah. Okay. So the word there, glo, I think I'm saying that right. Uh, the definition is uncertain of uncertain, affinity the tongue by implication a language specifically one naturally [01:17:00] 

[01:17:00] Cory: unrequired.

[01:17:01] Cory: So that would mean not of this earth kind. Mm-hmm. So I guess all I'd say I, no, I don't think your parents, like when you say is, are my, is my mom or is Francis Chan, are they missing something or are they not feel like, I don't think that that's, it's about saying you haven't received yet or it's not about merit.

[01:17:21] Cory: Um, I don't think 

[01:17:23] Taylor: everybody Bible that the spirit determines. Right. Literally the spirit determines what gift or gifts you receive or don't receive. 

[01:17:31] Cory: Right. But if again, we could, this is where you could also say, it says in that Bible verse, That these signs will follow those you believe. Right. I think getting hop out in the ways is like, is it something that's meaningful and satisfying and good for you then Yes.

[01:17:48] Cory: And I think that, that, there's a real tough part for a lot of people that grew up in the church and I've seen misuse and I've seen a lot to say like, Hey, I just, my heart is to have all of our heart. Why we're [01:18:00] having these conversations is to grow in our wisdom and our understanding of the knowledge of him.

[01:18:04] Cory: Mm-hmm. And to be closer to him. Every, like, if that's where your heart is, like you might want to receive something like speaking in tongues or it's any other, like, healing or whatever, like, you know, it's just, it's just far bigger than what, like, I'll, I'll ask a question. I hope nobody feels like they're less than because they haven't received that.

[01:18:23] Cory: Correct. I guess that's what I would say. Like, I'll ask a question when I, cause my situation is very specific and I, because I was ra I was nurtured into that environment. It is was less difficult for me. To be in this. Mm-hmm. Whether I'm right or wrong. And that is, that was a gift, I think, a gift that I was given.

[01:18:45] Cory: Mm-hmm. But it doesn't give me any foot, like, I don't look at somebody that doesn't speak in tongues. I've, I've, you know me for a long time, like, I don't think that I ever portrayed like you're less of a believer or less faith. Right. Or anything if you are not in the practice of speaking in tongues. [01:19:00] It's just something that works for me.

[01:19:01] Cory: And I think I, and a spiritual practice, I, I really, I was 

[01:19:04] Taylor: trying do it works for you. Trying think. And I think I may have heard you speak in tongues once, probably like, good chance, like Yeah. But like, all right. Let me ask a question. You, you said your, your mom prayed for gifts speaking in tongues all the time.

[01:19:23] Taylor: She hasn't received it yet. Right. So what's funny is, is every day I'll pray for the gift of wisdom and knowledge every single day. 

[01:19:35] Cory: Still haven't received it yet. I, I feel like I haven't 

[01:19:39] Taylor: received it yet. I genuinely feel like I haven't received either one yet cuz they're two different. Mm-hmm. And a part of me goes, you know what Taylor, if you had received the gift of wisdom, you would know.

[01:19:54] Taylor: Like, that makes sense to me. Mm-hmm. Like you would know. Sure. Yeah. And I do [01:20:00] know a lot of things. I have a lot of knowledge, but it's like reads many books, weird Jeopardy knowledge. It's not anything useful. And so like, is there this thing of where like this is a genuine question of like, can you baptize the Holy Spirit?

[01:20:22] Taylor: Can we praying for these things?

[01:20:27] Taylor: And once again, this goes back to what I would call the difference between receiving and accepting. Of like, if I pray for it has the Holy Spirit given it and I just haven't received it, or haven't accepted it yet. Or like, and these are, I don't think these are questions that can be answered to be completely honest with you.

[01:20:48] Taylor: Yeah. But it's like these weird things of like, I pray for the gift of wisdom. Yeah. Right. And [01:21:00] I think like, and honestly to be completely fair, like that's because it sounds really appealing. Oh yeah. And helpful. Yes. Mm-hmm. And like, does that also include discernment inside of wisdom? Like you're gonna be wise enough to know whether somebody is real or not real, because like, I wanna know that too.

[01:21:20] Taylor: Mm-hmm. And I want to know, I want to be wise when it comes to my faith, but I want to be wise when it comes to my, my parenting. And my marriage mm-hmm. And my friendships and my business. And like, and the thing is, is like for some people in certain areas, they would call me wise, but I'm like, I don't think so.

[01:21:46] Taylor: Like, I'm praying for some wisdom, like the gift from the spirit of wisdom. Mm-hmm. But I feel like if you receive wisdom, you would know it because then you would be wise enough to 

[01:21:56] Cory: know it. I don't know. Because we receive, I don't know. You've received mercy. [01:22:00] You receive grace. True. But we pray that God's mercies are new every morning.

[01:22:03] Cory: True. So I think you can receive a gift of wisdom, but you need fresh wisdom. True. Like fresh man, like man, you know, you can't, like your wisdom from yesterday is not always gonna apply Right. To the situation. Your discernment from yesterday won't apply necessarily to this new situation that you're in.

[01:22:16] Cory: Right. Um, and I would say that could go, that could go even to like, I guess like you're speaking in tongue, like at any point, like, uh, What I think I want most from God with all this stuff is like, I want fresh revelation. I want, I want a fresh part of my relationship every day that I participate. And in with them, him, with her, whatever I don't like, I want he said with them.

[01:22:48] Cory: And it's like, who, like, I, like I want, I, I think that it's just like my, with anything like the strength that you had yesterday is not necessarily the strength that's gonna get you through tomorrow. Yeah. [01:23:00] Um, so all with a grain salt, all, it is not something that I look at as like you can just, like, even though I feel like I can participate in that on command, it doesn't mean it would have the same, like today I spoke, speak, just speaking about it walled up a sense of like, joy in me and it's been a long day.

[01:23:17] Cory: Um, and like things did not go out my way and things were outside of my control. Um, and I hope that it always has that sense of life. Enjoy. Um, but I don't take it for granted because like, it doesn't have to, it could very easily be something that's just used and becomes routine. It's like, well, this is what I do.

[01:23:33] Cory: I don't wanna be known for the person that speaks in tongues. Yeah. Because then if it feels like I, like I've honestly been that person at times. And like, I don't wanna just be like, I like, oh, Corey will pray for like, like, no, I like, it has to be fresh, it has to be new to me. It has to be healthy to me.

[01:23:48] Cory: Um, and as long as I'm in that s spot like that, I'm really, I am comfortable with it. Um, yeah. But I think if we ever get outside of that, man, what's you got, bro? 

[01:23:56] Matt: I, so I've been like trying to figure out why I feel [01:24:00] so uncomfortable about it. And part of it is I, I know nothing about it. The other part is, I f I feel religion when left to its own DI devices is very divisive.

[01:24:12] Matt: And it is a, there's a hierarchy. There are these systems. And I think I, when I look at, you know, you talk about this different spiritual gifts, it's like I have wisdom, I have knowledge, I have understanding. It's like those are like cool, like, You're a wise man, but it's like I can speak in tongues. It's like I am now here.

[01:24:31] Matt: When I think about it, I've heard like, that's interesting Jason speak in tongues and it's like you now have authority. It's like, of course you speak in tongues because you are this pastor, you are this person that is so church and I Maybe can I 

[01:24:43] Cory: ask you or, because that's the, the environment he grew up in too.

[01:24:45] Cory: Right? Can I ask you a question? 

[01:24:47] Taylor: Yeah. Okay. Let's just pretend for a second that the cameras aren't on. That the mics are not in front of us. Mm-hmm. Right. [01:25:00] If we were like, let's pray. Mm-hmm. Would you, do you think you would feel the same apprehension about Corey praying in tongues if the mics and the cameras weren't here?

[01:25:13] Taylor: No, I wouldn't. I would. So it has something to do with the outwardly. Expression. It's, I have no, which is fair. Like, I'm not discounting that. 

[01:25:24] Matt: Yeah. I, I think I should, like, I have no problem with you doing it. I came into this conversation out of a place of discomfort, and so it's breaking down that initial feeling of discomfort.

[01:25:36] Matt: Mm-hmm. Why did I even feel that in the first place? Mm-hmm. It's a lack of knowledge, but also when I thought about, when have I seen tongues spoken? It's been almost that posi, always that position of authority and that position of it's always been pastors. Mm-hmm. On, I haven't seen it on a platform, so I can't say that it's been something that's been like a [01:26:00] display of authority mm-hmm.

[01:26:01] Matt: As anything, but it's always been a person that it's like, well, of course, yeah. You do this because you are so churched, you are so knowledge knowledgeable. Can I address this? 

[01:26:10] Taylor: Sure. All right. I will, I will tell you this, Corey. I'm not speaking for anyone else but myself. Corey is in a position of authority in my life.

[01:26:24] Taylor: Mm-hmm. He is. And I truly appreciate that. But I think one of the, one of the amazing things about our relationship is just because I put him on a place of authority also means that I don't put him on a pedestal because I don't believe that God loves Corey anymore than he loves me. Mm-hmm. [01:27:00] I do believe that Corey has a deeper and longer background in scripture mm-hmm.

[01:27:07] Taylor: And in different things than I do, and he has a, a background that I do not have. And so if I have a question earlier, I wanted to call Jason. Mm-hmm. And be like, which is the senior pastor of our church. And I'll call Jason. And if Jason doesn't pick up on it, the next person I'm calling is Corey. Mm-hmm.

[01:27:29] Taylor: Corey, what is, what is, what does such and such mean, bro? What is, what do we got going on right now? Right. And I think that that, I don't want that to, like, whether it's tongues or anything else, it doesn't matter. I don't want looking at people in places of authority to ever hold you back from anything.

[01:27:57] Taylor: Mm-hmm. Or make you [01:28:00] ever feel less than. And I don't know if those are any of the feelings that you're having at all. I'm just kind of talking right now. I don't want you to look at something and go, everybody who is doing this or saying this or acting this way is in a position of authority. So that means I'm less than, I can't do, I can't receive, I can't have.

[01:28:20] Taylor: Mm-hmm. Because I don't think that is right or fair to yourself. Mm-hmm. Right? Mm-hmm. So I don't know if that applies at all. That may just be for somebody out there somewhere. Yeah. 

[01:28:34] Cory: I I absolutely does. I don't think Matt looks at me as a authority. I do. I absolutely do. And I do. I'm not trying to say your authority.

[01:28:41] Cory: Yeah. 

[01:28:43] Matt: We'll talk later, but like, I, I absolutely do not mean this as any sort of, no. Okay. You just happened to be here. And I guess my apprehension towards it is I've, I had seen, like I talked about the girl in junior high and there was like a couple [01:29:00] other, uh, like when, like, I think I think about that situation, it was like,

[01:29:11] Matt: It was like a, I'm here, like I can do this. Mm-hmm. Because I'm, and so then it's creates this divide and so now all of a sudden now, like, I have this Yeah. Feeling against it where I'm like, if you're it, can I, there that you a hundred percent. I guarantee there's a church you can go into where people are talking and speaking in tongues from a platform and using it as a position of like, listen to me because I have authority.

[01:29:39] Matt: And then they're saying things that are incorrect. Mm-hmm. But because I can do this now I have mm-hmm. I'm now up here. Uh, that's more where I was going with it. Right. Does it, it can be used as a misleading or a, um, manipulative. Does it manip manipulative 

[01:29:50] Taylor: thing if. 

[01:29:54] Cory: This is, you could use he like tongues is that way.

[01:29:56] Cory: Or you can use just a regular scripture that way. Sure. And like completely manipulate people. Yeah. [01:30:00] Does it 

[01:30:00] Taylor: take any, like, do you feel any change in how you might feel if, like, if you wanted baptized in the Holy Spirit and prayed for the gift of tongues right now, like that is something that you could talk to Corey about.

[01:30:22] Taylor: Mm-hmm. And like what I'm trying to explain there is like, there is a difference in this authority. I'm ahead of you. I have authority over you. Listen to me. Cuz you said something along the lines of like, I'm further ahead than you. And like that example would be more of like, yes, I have been given this gift, but like, Hey, you want a hand up?

[01:30:47] Taylor: Yeah. Like, let's go. Mm-hmm. Come with me. Absolutely. You know what I mean? 

[01:30:50] Matt: Yeah. Absolutely. It's not always 

[01:30:51] Taylor: a bad thing. And I'm not saying you should just ask for that. I mean you can. No, but that's up to you. Right. 

[01:30:59] Matt: I was trying [01:31:00] to figure out a question around that thought and I just couldn't figure out where I wanted to go with it.

[01:31:04] Matt: So it was just, let me spew this stream of consciousness and we'll go from there. Love 

[01:31:09] Cory: it. What I'm most excited about is like, I feel like we tapped into something. Yes. That is cool. Yeah. Uh, and these are like the, the subjects that don't get talked about right from the platform. Mm-hmm. A lot. Especially in larger churches.

[01:31:27] Cory: Right. Um, and for good reasons sometimes cuz it can be confusing and there's a lot of feelings and I think it's, and everybody's got their own experience. 

[01:31:34] Taylor: I think it's also still fair to note that, I don't know, I have no idea how long we've been talking about this. No idea. But like, well this is the start.

[01:31:43] Taylor: I still have a lot of questions. 

[01:31:45] Cory: Yeah. So I think that Yeah, like saying like, This is something, when we say we're gonna have conversations where most people are just like, oh, we're not really talk about it. This is the one of the big ones. Mm-hmm. Right. And we've started it now. Thanks. Right Matt on a ban jam.

[01:31:59] Cory: Yeah. [01:32:00] So like the door is open and let's be intentional. Let's have some other people on and let's I I feel like right now, now I'm like, why? Matt asks 

[01:32:08] Taylor: questions too. Matt starts this. Yeah. Gets he 

[01:32:11] Matt: topics. I have a lot more questions. We have a lot more questions. You might have a lot more questions. We'll have to end right now either, but this is just a platform to say if you have questions, podcast kingdom empower.com.

[01:32:24] Matt: Get 'em DM us on Instagram, Facebook, get 'em like interact with us cuz this can be fueled off of what you think too. We have a limit on what we think. Let's go back and forth. 

[01:32:36] Cory: Tell him Matt, dude, he's progressing. All right. 

[01:32:39] Taylor: So now if I was like, we're gonna pray. Matt, how do you feel? Are you, are you still super No, like, apprehensive, like, genuinely, like I'm genuinely just curious about you.

[01:32:49] Taylor: How are you feel at 

[01:32:50] Matt: this point? It's like, let's go, like, let's just, this guy, we've, we've talked about everything that I feel that we need to talk about if [01:33:00] you're gonna be introduced to something like this. So, so here's what I wanna do. Here's what 

[01:33:02] Taylor: we're, we're gonna pray. I'm not saying you have to pray in tongue.

[01:33:06] Taylor: Yeah. I would like it, but I don't want you to force it. Yeah. And, and we could cut all of this out for all I care. I don't care. Mm-hmm. But I want to give a disclaimer and then I wanna open in prayer. Okay. And then you take it wherever you feel like God's take it. Okay. So the disclaimer here is, um, Like, even if you're, you're watching this on YouTube or you're listening to this, like just in prayer in general, like, I don't want to, we've talked about prayer on the podcast before and a couple episodes, we've like prayed at the end and I didn't want that ever to feel forced.

[01:33:55] Taylor: Um, but I also think prayer is a very [01:34:00] natural thing, but I also want to give it some reverence and like it is a special thing, right? And so, um, you don't have to, but even regardless of what happens in the next two minutes, if you want to pray with us, then maybe if you're in your car, then like, can you pull over for a second?

[01:34:22] Taylor: Like pause it, pull over if you're listening to on your phone or your computer, or. Wherever you may be. Like, can you just take a second? Like just in prayer in general. Yeah. 

[01:34:36] Cory: Right. And I kind of feel like, not like you're going, but like whether we decide to include the prayer that we pray right. In the podcast.

[01:34:49] Cory: Make sure that you pray. Yeah. Whether you praying with us in the moment now or Yeah. Just see where it goes. So let's [01:35:00] pray. 

[01:35:01] Taylor: King Jesus,

[01:35:06] Taylor: thank you for, for bringing us to this place. Um, not this physical place of wherever anyone out there might be, but this place of, of having a conversation and being in fellowship with you and about you. Right now as we we go into prayer, I just pray for open hearts. I pray for open ears. I pray for open minds that me, myself, and anyone else can sit in this moment and open up to you to what your will is, to what you want to accomplish or happen or move in this moment.

[01:35:56] Taylor: And that there are no, um, [01:36:00] preconceived notions that there are no,

[01:36:07] Taylor: that it's just you. That it's just you in this moment. And I thank you so much for, um, this opportunity just to have a conversation with two of my best friends where we just get to talk about you and we get to ask questions and we don't have to worry about. If we're the experts or not, because at the end of the day, you are, you are the king of kings.

[01:36:36] Taylor: You are the alpha and the omega. You are, you are,

[01:36:50] Taylor: I'm recording this at a later date. But that was such a powerful moment for Corey and Matt and myself and ordinary believers as a whole, [01:37:00] I think. And we continued on with prayer for another probably 10 minutes. And um, we don't ever want to make this about being a show. We want it to be real and genuine.

[01:37:11] Taylor: And that prayer was for us in that room, I believe. But I just wanted to encourage you that is, We come to the end of this episode and, uh, you heard me start that prayer that wherever you are, if you can stop, if you can pause for a moment or do something and just give some reference. Have an intimate moment with the Lord, go into prayer yourself, um, and just spend a little bit of time with him because that night in that room was so, so powerful.

[01:37:42] Taylor: And I think that when our hearts are in the right place and we go expectant to the Lord, that amazing things can happen with that ordinary believers signing off.