Everything is on the Other Side! We Promise!

Everything is found on the other side. This episode is such an uplifting episode, you will want to conquer the world and all your hurdles in your life by the time part 1 is finished. Ann shares her very empowering stories of how she actually taught her brain how to learn. They thought she would not be able to ride a bike because of her spatial sense and she taught herself how to ride a unicycle in a parade. They thought she would not hit a ball because of her eyes did not converge, but she hit homeruns.  Ann took her diagnosis of autism into being a conversationalist. The stories go on and on as the pair discuss how change is action and if you are in the same place in three months, the only question is why. 
Thomas Edison took 10,000 tries to find the functional lightbulb. He said, "I have not failed, I just learned 10,000 ways it did not work." 

You have that power, too. Join Tina and Ann in this amazing episode.  Let's take this journey together and find the courage to turn pain into purpose and hope into action. 

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Speaker 1: 0:08

Welcome to Real Talk with Tina and Anne. I am Tina.

Speaker 2: 0:12

And I am Anne. Hey, Tina, I love getting us together because it is so healing and so beneficial to talk. There is nothing right now that does not feel heavy and for real life just feels heavy right now, and it is just so good to find respite wherever you can and here at Real Talk. We hope you can find some respite for the short term anyway that you're with us, and I know that we do.

Speaker 1: 0:43

Yes, we do. And you know, I feel like it's the end of the year and I think a lot of us moms, parents, guardians are feeling the same way, especially those of us who have multiple kids and all of these responsibilities and fear of missing out. That's me. I have that FOMO, and so you want to be everywhere and do all the things, and then I think that eats into any self-care opportunities. And then here we are in that vicious cycle and we're going to be entering summer where we're going to have our kids here all the time. I'm not so sure I'm ready for that either. Right, I love them, but I also love that they go to school for several hours a day.

Speaker 2: 1:22

Yeah, same here. I need that break myself every single day just about because things are very stressful these days. But anyway, you know, what I do know is that it is all worth it. There is no amount of running from. That is beneficial, because it actually takes more energy to go in the wrong direction than it does in the direction that we need to. It always takes more energy to run away.

Speaker 1: 1:53

I don't know if I've ever thought of it that way. Sometimes I feel like if I want to run, that feels like the safest, easiest way. But now you've got me thinking.

Speaker 2: 2:05

Well, you know, what I've learned in life is that the problem whether you're running or not is always going to be there and it's going to be waiting for you. So you might as well just go through from the very beginning.

Speaker 1: 2:16

Yeah, that's so true. By nature I'm a runner. I don't know if it's my personality, I don't know exactly what makes that kick in for me, but that's what I want to do Now I fight it. Most of the time I don't run away because I know as an adult that you can't, but it is kind of my first instinct to want to do that, to just want to get away. And I don't know, maybe, as I think about it, maybe it's more to be able to process what's going on.

Speaker 1: 2:40

Maybe I've got to run from what the actual problem is, but we live in such a fast-paced world that it seems like processing it's hard to do, and I don't know why that is. I had a three-hour counseling session recently just the other day in fact and it was really good to just kind of talk about some of the things I've been trying to unravel about myself and have a better understanding of and maybe even a direction to move forward in certain areas. But yeah, I just I gotta tell you sometimes I just need that time and space to be able to process and I think I've been missing that because there's just so much life happening, which is beautiful and I'm glad it goes on, but making time to actually stop and think is something I need to make the time for.

Speaker 2: 3:37

Yeah, you know, there is a quote I heard from Jelly Roll, who I really like. I mean, I just love Jelly Roll.

Speaker 1: 3:45

It's a funny name to me, but I do love his music.

Speaker 2: 3:49

Yeah, yeah, let me see. During one of his acceptance speeches, when he won New Artist of the Year at 39 years old, he said I don't know where you're at in life or what you're going through, but I want to tell you to keep going, baby. I want to tell you success is on the other side of it. I want to tell you it's going to be okay. I want to tell you that the windshield is bigger than the rearview mirror for a reason because what's in front of you is so much more important than what's behind you. Isn't that beautiful? As soon as he said it, I wrote it down.

Speaker 1: 4:26

Yes, I think that is absolutely beautiful too. It's something that you have said before, in other words, here on Real Talk with Tina and Anne, so I love it even more because you're both on the same page. Also, it speaks to the point that we all have a past and we all have a future speaks to the point that we all have a past and we all have a future.

Speaker 2: 4:49

I like that, you know. Just listening to him is so inspiring, every single time that he talks. I just saw him on American Idol a little while ago and just everything that he says I just want to soak up. I mean, I want him to move here and be like my kid's mentor, because I think that he would kick their butts into shape. He could say the same thing that I say, but for some reason it just works so much better. I don't know why, but the past has already happened, you know, and we can't do anything about it. Like you always say, tina, things have happened to you, but it is up to you to do something about it.

Speaker 2: 5:28

This does not just have to do with how people have treated us in the past either. For example, we knew very young that I would not probably graduate high school. My neurologist went through this really long list of things with my brain that would keep from me being able to do a lot of the things that my typical peers were doing, and you know for sure they knew that. You know, a high school graduation was going to be difficult for me, a typical route, but I got a master's degree so, and then I was told I wouldn't probably be able to ride a bike because of my spatial sense, and I rode a unicycle in a parade. I never knew that, yeah, I can ride even a six-foot unicycle. It's a fun fact.

Speaker 1: 6:17

That is way cooler than any hidden talent that I might have. I mean my hidden talent is I can put my whole fist in my mouth like literally, not figuratively, I hope.

Speaker 2: 6:27

Don't show us now.

Speaker 1: 6:30

No, I won't. You only see that at family vacation talent shows. But I'm just telling you, it's true, what a fun fact. So I do believe you've been able to accomplish all of that because I know you and I know you never, quit.

Speaker 1: 6:44

There is no quit button in you at all. I also know what it's like to be told oh you can't do this. And you can't do that, either because of the way you look or because of the way that something you were born with. So I was born tongue tied and I was told that I would have serious speech impediments. But I don't At least I don't think I do. No one's ever mentioned that before.

Speaker 1: 7:16

I've heard of tongue-tied, but that's like a real thing, having to do something to cut my tongue. And I don't know. I can't really remember at this point, but I do have a heart-shaped tongue and I don't know if that had anything to do with it or if the cutting was all on the underneath it. I really don't know, but I do have a heart-shaped. There's my fun fact I have a heart-shaped tongue and I can blow double bubbles. They look like butt cheeks. Oh my gosh, are you serious? I'm dead serious. I don't have gum in my mouth right now, or I'd show you. That is so cool. Yes, I guess that's my hidden talent.

Speaker 1: 7:57

But I say that because even growing up kids can be mean, particularly in middle school. Those were hard years and I had gaps in my teeth. My teeth have always been straight and I've had braces, but I had big gaps in my teeth and I have curly hair, which I love. My curly hair I always have. I think it sets me apart and I believe I was born to stand out. I do, and so people would make fun of me and say, well, you'll never get to do broadcasting, you'll never have a career in that, because of the way that you look and you know they'd say all kinds of mean names. But all of those things fueled me.

Speaker 1: 8:32

You know when people say that it fuels me and. I say okay, so much like you. It's like watch me.

Speaker 2: 8:41

I'll do it. You know, that's exactly how I feel when I hear that I can't do something. So you know, it didn't even stop there because they told me that I wouldn't be able to hit a ball because my eyes do not converge. It's like this really weird thing. I see two of everything and fortunately the brain is really kind and you know the way God made our brains. It just, you know, figures it out, and so my left eye shuts off and I only see one. So I mean it's kind of like a miracle. When I get really tired I start seeing two. If somebody sits in front of my left eye, because it's the right eye, that works, like in church or wherever I'm just like you know, because I don't like when somebody blocks my right eye because then it makes me have to look out of my left eye. So it's like a really strange thing. But with that said, you know I started working in the backyard until I started hitting home runs. So I was just like you know what I'm going to figure out where this ball is until I start hitting home runs. Just like you know what, I'm going to figure out where this ball is until I start hitting home runs.

Speaker 2: 9:55

They told me that I wouldn't be able to drive because I don't have depth perception. Oh my gosh, I know it's crazy, but I Well, look at you, I know you drive, I do, and just you know, don't get too close, just kidding. But I drove and practiced and until you know, I ended up driving a mail truck for the post office on the opposite side. So I just always kind of push it a little bit further than even what they told me I wouldn't be able to do. They said that I would be socially awkward and I became a journalist and I used my interviewing skill to be able to become an amazing conversationalist to the point that people who just listen to me on here would be like you're autistic. I mean, that doesn't even make you know, we don't even see that or hear that. So you know, I know.

Speaker 2: 10:49

I know either you know yeah you would if you spend enough time with me. But many times in my life I was the quiet one in the room and even on the verge of selective mutism I mean, that's what they said and I let a lot of the abuse from my past hold me back, but I worked so hard that I used it to fuel me forward, kind of like what we're saying here. And I went through treatment where I refused to let chemicals hold me back and dictate my future and it doesn't. I mean there is nothing that I let hold me back that dictates my future. I gave my own self a kick in the butt and I decided to help others instead of be that person who needed that help. I got a degree in helping people and I could go on. Honestly, what areas in your life, tina, other than you know you're being tongue-tied in some other things. I mean, are there some things that standing out with you that you know it was taking you down a certain path and you're like, nope, I'm going to overcome this.

Speaker 1: 11:52

So one of the things that comes to mind and I don't want to paint a poor picture of my childhood I had, you know, the first five or so years of childhood was a little bit shaky, but my mom remarried and then I had a really wonderful dad. Bring me, you know, help raise me. So, and then I had a really wonderful dad. Bring me, you know, help raise me. So you know, my mom is divorced and then my dad adopted me when I was five or six years old and he you know, I still refer to him as my dad today and it was fantastic. One of the things I had to overcome was the feeling of you know, where do I belong? And my dad's side of the family has always made me feel like I'm a part of it. But you know, deep down inside I know that I didn't come blood related to him. So I don't know, I wrestled with that a bit. But one of the things that actually really stands out is when I was going to college. One of the things that actually really stands out is when I was going to college I commuted for the first year and I realized that, you know, there's a lot of things happening in life. At that time I have a brother who's 10 years younger and you know, my parents were just in different seasons and I noticed that my happiness was starting to take a tumble, and so I knew that I just needed to get out and go on my own, even if that meant taking out. I didn't know it exactly at the time, didn't understand what it meant, but a daily compounding interest rate loan, oh, let me tell you, that might have cost me a little bit more than I ever would have imagined, but I knew at the time that you know my happiness and I couldn't commute 45 minutes anymore and just you know, something going on in the home weren't the way that I wanted it. So I knew I had to take that leap and just say you know what? Nope, I have to overcome this fear. I need to be on my own. Even if it costs me more money than I had initially, you know, hoped or planned for, it's all going to work out, and I did, and it did work out. And so you know, I've lived on my own since before. I was probably I think I was maybe 19 or 20.

Speaker 1: 14:08

And it was really a blessing. I think it really helped and it was really a blessing. I think it really helped bring all of us you know my family, my mom and me and my dad just closer together, because sometimes we're a little distanced to appreciate. You know each other. Sometimes you're just always on top of each other. And you know a younger sibling. I just there are just lots of reasons I didn't always want to be a babysitter, you know, just things like that. So that's something that stood out. When you asked that question, I was like, no, my happiness matters and I need to, just I need to move out. It's time, you know. You just feel it's time.

Speaker 2: 14:45

I mean it is hard and some of those decisions are very difficult but you need to do them and you know it's not easy, because when you're going to do that tough stuff and you're going to go through and get to the other side, whatever it is, you know it's not easy. And we're not saying that tough decisions and life and getting through to the other side is easy, because it isn't. I think some of the toughest things I've done is just starting.

Speaker 1: 15:19

This is really funny that you say this, because I got to share a story with you about. I'm wondering if that is what my biggest hang-up is. So you know how, when you get in the routine, and you're in the routine so it's easy to stay with it, but then something derails you. Let's say you got really sick. This is actually my story. So you know, I got really sick with pneumonia in January and I just fell off track. I was doing so good with, you know still exercising, working out, you know, doing the meal plans, and then you get sick for a month straight and all of that falls off. And here I am, having gained some more weight, and I don't know if I've shared this.

Speaker 1: 15:53

I was in the best shape of my life last year because I was hiking that incredible trail, but a couple weeks ago, I mean, I can feel that I've put weight back on. So a couple weeks ago I was taking care of my mom and I got on the scale and I wish I wouldn't have and I didn't like the number I saw, also because I don't like how I feel. And so I've been reading the book Atomic Habits and you know what talked about. If you have a habit, a new one that you want to start. There's only so much time in a day and maybe you can find a way to incorporate it into something else you're already doing. So I was like man, I feel totally inspired and I'm going to lose weight. This will be easy Piece of cake. I'm going to go home, I'm going to buy a treadmill and I'm going to lose weight. This will be easy piece of cake. I'm going to go home, I'm going to buy a treadmill and I'm going to be able to use it like the walking pad treadmill one of the smaller ones, and I'm going to be able to use it as I'm prepping for work in the morning. I'm like this will be great. I've got 25 minutes before I go on air for the day, for my day job, and I am just going to be able to do it and burn calories right and early first thing in the morning, right? Guess what I have had the treadmill here for this is the third week and it's actually really beautiful sitting up against the wall the whole time. I just want to say it makes a really nice piece of art, decoration or something. I won't use it. I've not even plugged it in. I don't even know if it works. I spent all the money on it. I have this plan and I will not start it and I'm trying to figure out why.

Speaker 1: 17:22

So back to my three-hour counseling session yesterday. I was posing this question and I've noticed it's a trend with me and I've noticed that my counselor said I think part of it is your personality. One, you're a perfectionist and two, you're a procrastinator. I said yep, both of those things are true, although I'd probably say I'm more of a procrastinator than a perfectionist, probably. So I've often just thought you know, you just got to get started and stick with it. And she said you know, why was it so successful for you to do your training for your trip? And I said because I had to. I had something I knew I was training for. You had a goal and I, yeah, I had a goal and I didn't want to let myself down or my family. And she said well, I wonder if the fear of failure plays any part in why you're not starting.

Speaker 1: 18:17

You know this workout if you want. And I don't know if it's the fear of failure as much as it is that I don't like to exercise. I've never had a weight problem until having children. And so I mean I only have 15 pounds to lose and I just do the math and I'm like it'll take about six, seven, eight weeks to lose. That I don't know.

Speaker 1: 18:42

You know I watched the Chris Hemsworth series Limitless. I know that the 40s is a pivotal decade. Why am I not eating my best when I had fully planned to last year? Why am I not exercising? Or best when I had fully planned to last year? Why am I not exercising or doing some form of exercise every other day or something I mean? And there are a lot of factors.

Speaker 1: 19:02

I think what it really boils down to for me, and I'm sure for a lot of us, is I feel overwhelmed. It is the end of a school year. I have one kid that's going to be transitioning to middle school and I'm struggling with that. Time is going by too year. I have one kid that's going to be transitioning to middle school and I'm struggling with that. Time is going by too fast.

Speaker 1: 19:17

I do have a lot on my plate with my mom, with home life, with baseball. You know all the things and and and, like so many do, and I'm not someone that can have a hundred things on my plate. I really need to focus on the most important ones and somehow as important as this whole exercise thing should be. I would rather do it outside, walk around the block or go. I guess I hate running, but I guess go for a run outside, but I can't get my kids to comply, I don't know. So I'm just in this weird space and I know that I need to just get started. So when you say that I'm like Just get started. So when you say that I'm like, yes, so I don't know if to get started, I need a reward, you know, okay, hey, if you do this for two weeks, you get to buy yourself a Michael Kors purse. I don't know, I'm just throwing that out there.

Speaker 2: 20:05

You get to buy yourself an ice cream.

Speaker 1: 20:07

Yeah, I won't do it for that, I'll just eat the ice cream, but something bigger. Or if I need to have another goal, like hey, I want to hike this place and that will get me in gear. I can't figure out fully what my problem is. I just want to get on the stinking treadmill.

Speaker 2: 20:27

What if you choose a different time of day? That you're, you know, first thing in the morning you're on the radio. You got to get going and all this stuff, but maybe that's just not something that you can do before you go on there. You know, I mean, maybe you could make it another time during the day.

Speaker 1: 20:45

I think I need to just sit down and write all of this out for me and figure out what is my problem. Why can I not just get started? You know, a funny thing is I almost feel like I'm waiting for someone to shame me so that I'll feel embarrassed Isn't that dumb? And then I'll want to do it. I mean, I actually think last week that someone mistaken me for a grandmother of my son, my three-year-old. But I don't look that old. I mean, I've got some gray hairs, you know, I'm just being honest. I do. I've got more than my mother, but I don't think I look that old. But I swear she said, yeah, us grandmas, we got to stick together and I was. It was just me and her at the chiropractic office and I was like us grandma. I looked I'm like I don't see any other grandma, is she? So anyway, I love that you said that that the toughest thing it truly is just getting started. I think if I would just, really I would be fine, you know I always allergies listeners.

Speaker 2: 21:47

I'm sorry, I just gotta tell you that when I get the chance I try to watch hoda and jenna and um, it's a really fun show that talks to us women, I guess. But anyway, Hoda did the exact same thing just yesterday. She had been telling herself for weeks and weeks and weeks that she needed to get up and work out. And she covered a story or heard a story of, like this 80-some-year-old person and what they were doing with their workout routine and everything. And then she's like that's it and she got up, she did it and you know, I don't know if she did it today too, but you know, sometimes it is just making yourself just do it that first time, second time and eventually it does become the regular practice in your life.

Speaker 1: 22:36

Apparently, I lack some self-discipline, that's for sure, because I love the cupcakes and the sweets, but I don't want to have to do anything to work it off. I feel like that's not asking too much, but yet it is.

Speaker 2: 22:49

Okay, you also have the perspective of just hitting 40. It's a little different than when you're 45, when you're 48, and you're going oh crap, you know what, it's 48 now and I'm heading towards 50. You start getting a little bit more serious. So you're just at the very beginning of your 40s. So I don't think that it's really set into you this mindset of being in your 40s yet.

Speaker 1: 23:17

Probably true, and I certainly don't act like it. That might be the other contributing factor. I want to be young, because I do feel young.

Speaker 2: 23:26

You don't ever have to act old just because, if you are, you know a number is a number.

Speaker 1: 23:32

That's it, that's true, I know that you do some check-ins with yourself, don't you? I mean, I'm kind of checking in with myself, I'm taking the time to figure out why ago, or even three months ago, or something I really start trying to ask myself why.

Speaker 2: 23:44

You know I want to be in a different place than I am now. So why am I in the same place that I was a few months ago? So I you know changing is an action, it's a verb, it's not just thinking about it.

Speaker 1: 24:16

Yeah, apparently I don't have any good advice on this topic because I've got to figure out how to make action a verb in my life, especially in this area.

Speaker 2: 24:29

You know what I knew and I did know as a child that I was different. I wondered why everyone else in the class understood the words on the page but I didn't. I wondered why I wanted to hide whenever the teacher would call names, you know, and I would be the one like please don't call on me, please don't call on me. You know I was dyslexic and ADHD and autistic and you know I had A to Z, you name it. I had it. So you know I just wanted to hide. But you know what they told me? I couldn't. But you know what, like we said, I said you watch me.

Speaker 2: 25:06

And without anybody teaching me, I got a tape recorder. I read into it, I would listen to it, I would write down what I heard it, I would listen to it, I would write down what I heard and then I would condense it, and condense it to the point where I could just you know, I could personally understand retain it enough to be able to use it in the classroom or however I needed to. And it became so ingrained in me doing this that I realized that if I listen, I hear, I read, I do all the things, I'm much better at being able to retain it and I taught my brain how to learn. I mean, that's pretty cool.

Speaker 1: 25:50

Amazing. That's more than cool, and so you know. What's interesting is look how hard you had to work and where you are now because of it, and that's so inspiring. And at the same time, for someone like me, or my personality or whatever my brain feels, I'm like that is so overwhelming. I don't know. I mean, I don't ever give up, so maybe I would do the same thing, but I don't know. That is so much work and you're so. All the things you say, it's like I'm in disbelief. I almost want to see, let me see the charts. Let me let me see this, the stuff that these doctors said, because none of that is true about you at all. You're, you're just simply amazing.

Speaker 2: 26:28

I'll accept that, but no just no, you know, I still have the difficulties. Those things were true, I still. It takes me many, many times over to read a page, understand a page. Sometimes I still have to do some of those same things, but I figured it out and that's the point.

Speaker 2: 26:48

I can remember when I first learned the unicycle I got this thing when I was like 12 years old and I have no idea why I wanted to learn it, but I did. I wanted to learn how to ride this thing and I would go out on my back deck and, you know, holding onto the walls, and I would fall and fall for hours until I got to where I was, riding to my friend's houses on a unicycle instead of on a bike. So that was so funny. And I can remember in swimming and when we would practice four hours a day, two days a week, dry land, and I was just this really determined kid. I mean, I have the makeup of somebody who wants to win.

Speaker 2: 27:28

I often talk about the thing that made me stop winning. You know I've talked about when my dad passed away and how then I made that association with death and loss and winning and I had other things happen, like my aunt had died who I really liked, and it was my graduation and all of my family had to go to her funeral instead of my graduation. And so you know, those things kind of just kept making associations with me. And time after time, you know, it just kind of changed me.

Speaker 2: 28:02

I was getting married and my biological brother was supposed to walk me down the aisle, because I didn't have a dad to walk me down the aisle and my biological mom would not let him do that, so they wouldn't even come. So then I ended up asking my adopted mom to walk me down the aisle last second. But that's just kind of the way things have gone and I just keep saying you know what? I'm just going to keep moving forward. And it reminds me of that Thomas Edison quote I have not failed, I have just found 10,000 ways that it didn't work. And when he was talking about inventing the light bulb, he did fail thousands and thousands of times before he figured out how it would work. And that's just life.

Speaker 1: 28:48

That is life, and I think it should be an inspiration to anyone listening and something we can tell all of our athletes and everyone who's striving to create and make and just be the best of themselves to create something really amazing. I always say mistakes mean that you're learning, and so I had this great conversation with my middle child last night and how I'm not upset when you make mistakes. You need to learn from them, though, and that's kind of what they mean. They mean you're learning, so don't give up. You can't just throw in the towel because it didn't work the first time.

Speaker 2: 29:24

If everything worked the first time yeah, it would be easy.

Speaker 1: 29:28

And the whole thing is to grow your brain, because not everything should be easy. I mean, if you're in first grade you shouldn't know division. You know you're not expected to just see the numbers and know how to do it. So you know, I really love that because you could fail so many times. Or I'll give you an example of one of my favorite shows is American Idol, which is really funny because I've not watched it at all this season.

Speaker 2: 29:52

And it's the first season.

Speaker 1: 29:52

I've missed.

Speaker 2: 29:53

It's the best.

Speaker 1: 29:55

I'm so sad I'm missing it. What are they down to? Is it top 12? Are we past that already? Oh, it's down to five. I can't believe it, and I think it's Katy Perry's last time being a judge, and I really like her.

Speaker 2: 30:07

Yeah, she said keep my seat warm to the person coming in, so maybe she's coming back. I don't know.

Speaker 1: 30:15

Okay. Well, the initial host for the first year thought this isn't going to do a whole lot. He thought it was going to tank. Or maybe reviews said it wasn't going to be anything.

Speaker 2: 30:25

And.

Speaker 1: 30:25

Ryan Seacrest took something like that.

Speaker 2: 30:28

And so just to show you know, don't give up.

Speaker 1: 30:29

Maybe something's not for someone, but or you know someone else, but it just might be for you, right.

Speaker 2: 30:47

You know, it also goes for your brain too. I was just thinking about how much effort it takes for your brain to carve a new path, and how you have to do it so many times before you actually have to create a new thought process, a new thought path and uh, so nothing.

Speaker 2: 31:04

I mean, I don't think that when god was making us, he was thinking I'm just gonna make this so easy for them yeah, he certainly didn't do that he said he, he really I don't know, but he gave us all the tools, he gave us all the abilities to be able to figure it out. So I mean, that's the cool part of it. We're going to end the episode here and you can catch part two next week, which, of course, it's going to be amazing, because part one was amazing and there's a lot more that you need to hear about this. So please join us next weekend and hear. The rest of Everything is on the Other Side lot more that you need to hear about this. So please join us next weekend and hear. The rest of Everything is on the Other Side.

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