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Rise & Thrive with Sexy Fit Vegan Founder Ella Magers
Way Beyond Baywatch: Making Waves for Change with Alexandra Paul
I thought, “You know, I need another adventure,” and I was worried it was going to ruin my career. But it turned out to actually be very good for my acting career. Because after you come off a series like Baywatch, everyone thinks you're just incompetent and dumb and I don't know, they just don't give you any credit for anything. And then you go do an Ironman. -Alexandra Paul
In today’s encore episode, we dive deep into the life and mission of Alexandra Paul, beyond the accolades, discovering who actress Alexandra Paul is at her core and what drives her.
Alexandra shares her incredible story of deciding in 6th grade to remain child-free by choice and how that decision has shaped her activism, including her TEDx talk on overpopulation—a topic she passionately believes needs more attention.
We discuss her transformation to vegetarianism at 14, inspired by Diet for a Small Planet, and how a year between high school and college sparked her love for acting, leading to a career where she stood firm in her ethics, refusing to wear fur or use makeup tested on animals.
She also opens up about her battle with an eating disorder during her teens and early 20s, her fears around restricting dairy, and the profound moment at 47 when she went vegan and her heart “cracked open,” seeing the injustices of the world more clearly.
We touch on her direct action activism, where Alexandra literally takes a stand—physically—for her beliefs, having been arrested over 25 times. She discusses the privileges that allow her to engage in civil disobedience, her training in it, and some of the experiences that have stood out, including moments of fear and claustrophobia.
This conversation is rich with reflections on activism, personal growth, and the ongoing journey of recovery from bulimia.
Alexandra’s story is not just about overcoming challenges—it’s a powerful reminder of how our choices, big and small, can shape a better world. You won’t want to miss this one!
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And so I felt like, because I am a white woman, because I was in a job where they weren't going to fire me, because I got arrested because people get arrested a lot in Hollywood for far worse than peacefully passed a no trespass sign right, and because I didn't have children and because I didn't have to show up to work the next day, usually my work did interfere a couple times, but I have the ability to be an activist this way but, not everybody does, and that's totally fine and everyone should be the activist they feel most comfortable in.
Speaker 1:And I guess I've always felt very comfortable and I love the community of people in the streets and organizing and, yeah, being more out there, I guess, than behind the scenes, although I'm a very good envelope stuffer.
Speaker 2:Hey there and welcome to Rise and Thrive with me, Ella Majors. I created this high vibe podcast from a place of profound curiosity, fierce compassion and the deep desire to connect you with the wisdom of inspirational wellness, health, fitness and conscious leaders and change makers. Here's to discovering our blind spots and embracing life as the adventure it is. The time is now. Let's do this, is now, let's do this. Hey, hey, everyone, ella here for this encore episode of Rise and Thrive, and I've got a special co-host today with me, quinn. What's up, babe, howdy, how are you?
Speaker 3:babe, good, good, it's been a minute. This feels so good to get back on the mic. It sure does. Yeah, I'm stoked.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So you guys, this is an incredible episode we've got coming out First. We've got Alexandra Paul on the show and I want to first chit chat here with Quinn for a minute. But, related to that, I was just listening to this episode because we recorded it a little ways back and it's funny because your name, quinn, comes up in the very first few minutes, like the very first minute of this episode. Yeah, and I know you're jumping in to this hosting situation completely blind, so kudos to you and it's something really, really random and something a little weird and a little funny, and I'm not going to tell you what it is or anybody that's listening, so you're going to have to wait till the episode comes out.
Speaker 3:Can't wait yeah.
Speaker 2:But you two have something in common.
Speaker 3:We do Okay, good, yes, okay.
Speaker 2:Something very like kind of off the wall.
Speaker 3:We're both lifeguards.
Speaker 2:I mean, I look great in red. So, thank you, you're welcome. Purple's Quinn's favorite color, you guys? So yeah, I just think we need to do a little catch up here, because it has been a while. We had thought that Rise and Thrive was over and what was happening, just to be totally transparent, was that we were working on the next Sexy, fit, vegan podcast to come out, and I said, well, let me save Alexandra's and a few other really amazing episodes to launch with the new podcast. And then, as shit happened, shit happened and I tore my ACL sparring Muay Thai. I had ACL surgery, Things got put on hold, and so now I said you know what? Let's get these episodes out, because they deserve to be out. You guys are going to love them. They're amazing episodes with incredible people, extraordinary humans. So we are putting out a few encore episodes of Rise and Thrive. And yeah, so what else has been going on since we stopped Rise and Thrive? Quinn, everything.
Speaker 3:Unfolding as it does, all sorts of things Going on since we stopped Rise and Thrive, quinn. Everything Unfolding as it does All sorts of things. We've now been together a year.
Speaker 2:Right, we celebrated yes.
Speaker 3:Yeah, blew by.
Speaker 2:And if you guys don't know our story, definitely check out. I don't know what episode it is right now, but we could put it in the show notes how we met, story, which is pretty unique, I think, because I don't think a lot of people meet on vegan dating apps, so spoiler alert not the people I've spoke to.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they're like what? It's a great story and yeah, and it's fun to tell and it's really just amazing that you know it's been a year that we've been together, because it really doesn't feel like that at all. Yeah, you know we're just getting started, which is exciting. I'm just so, so excited to be part of this podcast and really look forward to how it blossoms.
Speaker 2:Yes, you know, it was funny because I was mentioning just the other day I don't know what conversation were we having, I think it was on text that and I said, oh, if I was podcasting right now, I'd be sharing about this, and what was it?
Speaker 3:Onions.
Speaker 2:Onions. No, it was deodorant. Yeah, you guys, there's something going on. I don't know, but my armpits have been smelling a little like onions lately and I've been. I don't know if this happens to anyone else, but you know I really work on finding the best totally natural deodorant, which has come a long way over the years. Back in the day there were not that many options and none of them worked worth a shit, and now there are some pretty good ones. I was using Native for a while. That was working, but I feel like you kind of go through cycles where then they maybe don't work so well anymore. So I've been trying out some new ones, and the last one I just tried kind of made my armpits break out, even though there's no baking soda. I was making my own for a while. So it's a journey finding the right natural deodorant. Do you have one that you like, that you want to recommend?
Speaker 3:I use Hello. I think that's what it's called Hello Fresh or Hello or something to that degree.
Speaker 2:Vegan cruelty free. I assume All the things yeah exactly.
Speaker 3:No aluminum, none of the bad stuff, and I don't smell like onions.
Speaker 2:No, you don't.
Speaker 3:I mean it's funny, like the whole idea of smelling. You know, I don't, I really don't smell myself anymore. I remember that being a thing you know back when. I was eating meat and you know, drinking and doing all that stuff. But I smell way more pleasant now. You know I don't smell like cigarettes and I don't smell like yeah, I mean, I think the meat is a big part of it. I'm just a happy, body smells good.
Speaker 2:I mean eating decayed flesh just can't do good for body odor.
Speaker 3:Coupling that with you know, aluminum and all the nasty stuff that we're putting into our armpits and sweating on it and going straight into our blood system. Yeah, it's just really gnarly and just what a cruel way to poison us.
Speaker 2:So yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Well, speaking of, deodorant if you are, if you, if you smell of onions, please.
Speaker 2:It's not a strong smell like Quinn didn't, but I know I noticed a little. So I live in Miami, I'm outside a lot.
Speaker 3:I'm training all the time. And, if anything, onions was from a past. Smell of mine, if you will, so I just equated it to onions. But no, the woman smells delightful, like she does not smell of onions. I just thought it was a funny thing too.
Speaker 2:Well, and then I said well, at least you like onions, because you do actually like onions. I can't do the raw onions, I'll do the sauteed onions.
Speaker 3:I'm a fan of all onions.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that's good stuff. Good stuff. If you like this kind of conversation, you guys, and you're not signed up for my newsletter, my Soul Aligned Sunday newsletter. That is something I'm going to keep up with. I've got people emailing back saying this has become my favorite read. I share all sorts of great stuff, all very aligned with holistic health. I get pretty vulnerable sharing about smelling like onions, things like that, and then recommending, of course, any of the discoveries I make that help me be the happiest human I can be, and then also recommending you know, supplements or brands that I've found that I use and I recommend as well. So it's a fun newsletter, fun read, also very valuable Sexyfitvegancom forward slash newsletter. You can go sign up. It's great, Great newsletter. I have to say so.
Speaker 3:It really is. I mean, I look forward to it every.
Speaker 2:Sunday. Obviously You're not biased or anything but it does the job yeah.
Speaker 2:And then we'll be sharing in the newsletter when our next podcast is coming out, and all that good stuff too. So let's get into it. We've got Alexandra Paul, like I mentioned, on the show today. She is. I'm not going to read her bio Go the show notes for the bio but I just want to say you know she's an acclaimed actress. She's a health advocate. She was, of course, star of Baywatch probably what she's most known for in the acting world but she's been a feature in over a hundred shows and television series, so that's pretty extraordinary.
Speaker 2:But what I love her for is her commitment to making a positive impact in this world. She's been arrested, I think, close to 30 times. She is all about the animals, she's all about regulating population in terms of sustainability and she just cares so much. And her and I have a lot in common. She struggled for a long time with eating disorders and she has overcome that, but is very open and vocal about how she overcame it and what life is like for her now.
Speaker 2:And this is a deep dive with her. It's a really intriguing episode and I can't wait for you all to hear it. So let's dive in episode and I can't wait for you all to hear it. So let's dive in. Oh, alexandra, I am so honored that you're here, really to be able to share this time and space with you. I see you as someone who has paved your own really powerful path from a very young age, and your deep commitments to making this world a healthier, more just and loving place for everyone Really it inspires me and I'm so grateful for you to be on our show.
Speaker 1:Well, thank you so much, Ella. It's so nice to see you again.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you too. And as a side note, I was just listening today to one of your recent episodes on Switch for Good podcast and you had talked about mouth taping at night. It's a random fun fact, my partner Quinn. He tapes his mouth at night and I had never heard of that before and he swears by it because it works so well for him. It works very well for me because he is quiet, he sleeps so deeply, does no snoring, and the minute he takes it off and it falls asleep, it's snoring. It's amazing.
Speaker 1:Interesting. So when you met him, was he already mouth taping? Yep, he was already mouth taping. Okay, yeah, good, yes, it really does help with snoring, and I don't do it for snoring. My husband says I don't snore. He says I purr, I don't snore. He says I purr. I don't know, but I do it because I read a book about. It was called the Oxygen Advantage. But I've read other books subsequently, breath for one. Well, james Nestor is a very good author and he talks about the benefits of breathing through your nose, and I was definitely a mouth breather and so this has helped me a lot. Not only if I have a cold sore, I won't put a tape on, or if I've put too much moisturizer on my lips the tape won't stick and I won't sleep with it. I noticed that my instinct is to breathe through my nose now, so that's good.
Speaker 2:Okay, so it's like training you also to do it without the tape. Oh, that's so interesting.
Speaker 1:But I think I'll just keep with the tape because it's just so easy and I must look really funny. You know, I go to the bathroom at night. If somebody encountered me in the hallway, I had my tape on and my mouth guard in and I used to also sleep. I used to have issues with, and I think it was a little bit of an iron deficiency, so I've solved that. But I used to have like restless leg and the only thing that helped was when I put toe spacers on. I can't explain why. It helped for my sister too. So can you imagine me going to the bathroom, mouth tape, fart on and toe spacers?
Speaker 2:Do you clench your teeth? Is that why you do mouth guards?
Speaker 1:Yes, that's why I have mouth guards.
Speaker 2:So do I? I think we have a lot in common. I don't think I have restless leg, but my skin or something is very sensitive to like the sheets If there's a little fold in the sheets or if I'll have to move. So I'm awful to sleep with. I feel sorry for anyone sleeping with me, oh goodness, okay. So one of the things I like to ask my guests, because you have an extensive bio and you've accomplished so much in between your accomplishments and your activism and your acting and all the accolades behind all that or beyond all that, who is Alexandra Paul? How would you answer that? Wow, okay.
Speaker 1:Well, I consider myself very much a twin. I'm a twin, okay, well, I consider myself very much a twin, I'm a twin, and so that's very important to me. My twin sister and I've been with my husband too for 28 years, so I do also consider myself actually very good taste in men and a good partner to him. But I also consider myself someone who struggled with an eating disorder and overcame it, most importantly, and deals with a lot of not anxiety, but worry more than I know that as I look back on my life, I'll go why do you worry so much? And my guiding principle is what Ingrid Newkirk said, which is be kind, be kind, be kind. That's sort of the most important thing, and I look at the world through a lens of environmental ethic. So when I see a car, I think hmm, what's the mileage on that car?
Speaker 1:Is it electric? I don't look at the design or how fast it goes or technological marvel. No, it's about how it affects the environment and the same, and also animals, of course. So I look through the life through that lens. Pretty much everything is through an environmental or an animal justice lens, I would guess.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, and I found this so fascinating that you were in sixth grade when you really made a conscious choice that you were gonna be child-free. Like I'm trying to think of some of your milestones along your life when you had this kind of moment of ah, I'm going to take a stand, I'm going to do something about this problem that I'm learning about or seeing and that seems like a big one. Can you tell about that story?
Speaker 1:Thank you. Well, I grew up in the 70s when there were a lot of commercials about starvation in India and Africa, and there were a lot of commercials about it, and so I was very affected by that and thought, well, there's too many people in the world to feed everybody, was the message that I got. Now, that was a very simplistic message, but then, when I was in sixth grade, my glee club teacher, mr Collins, said that we had to change the words in the song that we were singing because it would have been 4 billion people in the world, cause when I was born in 1963, there were 3 billion people. And he said you need to change it to 4 billion because there are now 4 billion people in the world. That was it. And I was like what, 4 billion people, that's so many.
Speaker 1:And that was really an eye-opener for me. And I did tell my mom that I wasn't going to have children. I might adopt, but I wasn't going to have my own because there were too many kids in the world. And she said oh, honey, you'll change your mind once your biological clock clicks, in which it didn't really. I think it didn't, probably because I was so strongly aligned with my ethics, about not having too many people on the planet, crowding out animals and also other people, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's so interesting. We've got quite a little circle of you, me, dotsie, women and I've got two really close girlfriends who, you know, chose not to have children. And I think things are changing, culture is changing, but there's still that. At what point did your mom know that that was not going to happen? Was she hoping you would have children?
Speaker 1:I have two siblings and none of us have children, which is interesting. My brother had a vasectomy when he was 21 because he felt so strongly about the animals and the environment, and my twin is gay, and so for a long time there wasn't even a question about whether she was going to have kids or not. So I think she also grew up with a life that was child free. And so my mom yes, she has cried over the fact that she has no grandchildren, and she now recognizes that there are benefits, because now we're there for her 100%, because we don't have children, so we're able to take care of her. Now the question is what about us when we get older?
Speaker 1:And that was a question that I wrestled with when I was 40 and we were taking care of my dad. I thought, well, who's going to take care of me when I'm older, and what am I missing? These are the questions. And well, maybe I could adopt a kid and save a child. And my husband looked at me. He said you know, all those are not. I'm not hearing you say you want a child. Those aren't strong enough reasons to raise a child, and so, yeah, I decided to take out long-term health care insurance instead, so that when I am older, I can help myself be taken care of.
Speaker 2:That's interesting because that certainly has popped in my head. You know, the older I start to get and some of my friends without children we've all been like well, what if we have our own little commune? And you know we have a kitchen with a vegan nurse you know, to help us out where we need it and we'll have like Can we create that? So we're exploring all sorts of possibilities.
Speaker 1:Well, that's the thing You're right. I mean, I have friends too that we're talking about that also because I have some friends who are child-free and having children doesn't guarantee any way that you're going to be taken care of and it costs a lot of money to raise one child, two child, three children. The average number of children per family now in the world is 2.3. So in America we have, on average, 2.1. Yeah, 2.1. It might be I think it's under now, might be it's under two now, but still it's very expensive and I don't want to reduce children to money, but we could find ways to take care of ourselves as we're older other than just depending on our children or our child.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and, as you said, you have a child, there's no guarantee that that child's going to be around or be wanting to take care of you or capable of taking care of you. Or yeah, no guarantees there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly Not a reason to have children we have more control. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. And at what point did you really feel called to make overpopulation? You know something that you are really vocal about, that you are going to use your platform for that.
Speaker 1:You were going to actually do a Ted talk on it In 1991, I developed a school program where a professor and I went around to schools in the LA area and spoke on the issue of human numbers and how fast we were growing to try and combat the pro-natalist culture that we have, which basically assumes that you're going to have children, and preferably two, or even, back then, three, because only children are lonely children supposedly. And so we developed a program and I spoke to over 6,000 schoolchildren during that time. I took time off from acting to do that because I felt so strongly that and back then there were five and a half billion, so it was, you know, many fewer because now we have over 8 billion. So obviously my work has not worked. I was born, as I said, when there were 3 billion and now I'm 60, there are 8 billion. The population's more than doubled and it's quadrupled in my mother's lifetime.
Speaker 1:And I'm just so concerned about it because I hear people talking about so many issues like climate change, or animals, habitat, wildlife, clean water, available water, all that stuff and it's all to me housing, traffic. It's all tied in, even if it's just peripherally. It's all tied into the number of people that are on the planet and I'm concerned that people are so afraid of talking about this issue because there have been bad actors who've tried to stop people from having kids, and I just want to be clear that I don't want to stop people from having kids. If you want kids and you really want them, want to stop people from having kids. If you want kids and you really want them, have them, but think about the future and consider having only one or two at the most. And if you don't really want them, don't have them, because it's such an important job and there's so many people who just kind of fall into parenting because of cultural pressures.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's just another issue that's so taboo because of the programs we're fed from the time we're born, that that's what you're supposed to do, all these supposed to habits and the way you're supposed to live your life. And it seems like you've been and I've with me, with animals too been somebody who just kind of was able to see that programming for what it was and make your own decisions. Where do you think that came from? Like, was that innate in?
Speaker 1:you. Yeah Well, maybe you know I've been in a life that isn't very traditional being an actress. There's a lot of acceptance. A lot of my friends in Hollywood don't have children, didn't get married. If they had children, some of them didn't have partners. So it was a very conscious decision. So I think also my environmental ethic is so important. I mean, I grew up first with an environmental ethic and then now it's broadened to include animals first and foremost, but very much an environmental ethic and seeing that, it just was logical to me.
Speaker 1:Just like we see overpopulation of deer and then the deer starve and people can also overpopulate, but humans get very angry if you start saying that, that we are overpopulated because we somehow believe that we don't have to abide by the laws of nature and math.
Speaker 1:But the truth is is that when we ask for a world that has fewer people, that's better for everybody on the planet, because right now there are so many have-nots and when we have fewer people on the planet, everyone will be able to share what Mother Earth can provide, instead of having rich people and very poor people, the people who are going to suffer most when the population reaches 10 billion, which the UN says it's going to reach this century around in about 50 years, we are the ones that are going to suffer most.
Speaker 1:So often people will say that people who talk about limiting fertility that somehow I must be racist or classist or something. No, I care deeply about the world's poorest and believe that everybody, everybody, needs to have smaller families, especially those of us in America right who use so much. So it's an issue that, like unfortunately I touched on, had bad actors in the 70s, where China was forcing people to have abortions and have fewer kids and India was doing the same and there has been sterilization of different groups of people. That is not at all part of what I see at all. I want people to see the positive side of being child-free, like you and I see, instead of getting brainwashed which it is brainwashing a lot about how wonderful parenthood is and it is wonderful, but it's not all wonderful, and being child free is also wonderful.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's looking at both sides of that coin. It's so important. I think, also looking back now to kind of the next milestone vegetarian at age 14, right Is when you went vegetarian and diet for a small planet was the book that?
Speaker 1:helped you get there. Yeah, ella, thank you so much for doing your homework.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, your story is fascinating. The biggest in preparing for this interview was like oh my gosh, I want to talk about so many things. Where are we going to go with this? Because you've just had such a colorful life and there's so much to it, especially when you've been in the public eye and you've had so many things to deal with in your life that I've never had to deal with. A lot of people listening haven't to deal with, and yet the things you were dealing with are very relatable to a lot of people. So it's just fascinating to me how you've been so courageous in using your platform to do good and to make an impact, and I want to cover all of that as the best we can. So, yeah, 14 decided to go vegetarian, and then was it just reading the book? Can you share a little bit more about what went into that decision?
Speaker 1:Diet for a Small Planet is a book by Francis Moore Lappe written in the early 70s, so this was about 1976, I think I went let's see 1976, 1977 that I went vegetarian and it was basically for environmental reasons. She was making the argument that we should. She kept eggs in, so it wasn't at all milk too, so it wasn't an animal treatise at all. It wasn't until I was in high school and I did a book report on the book Animal Liberation by Peter Singer that I saw the animal component very strongly, and my brother at the same time. We went to boarding school as kids and he was in a different boarding school, but he became vegan at a very young age and I remained vegetarian for way too long.
Speaker 2:Right and you talk about that. And then between high school and college you took some acting classes you're doing some modeling and you talked about how something opened up for you at that time. What opened up?
Speaker 1:Well, are you talking about in terms of?
Speaker 2:Yeah, in terms of life, like just it sparked something in you that helped change the trajectory of your life.
Speaker 1:During high school I had a severe eating disorder. I was anorexic but most prominently bulimic, and it followed me from ages 16 to 28. So I was modeling can you believe it Like I already had an eating disorder and I had to put myself in that somehow for validation. The bulimia got so bad that I left modeling. I moved to Canada to be with my boyfriend and told my agent why, and she said, yeah, then go. And I already had taken a year off before going to college. This was during that time, and so I wasn't planning to be a model more than that year anyway. But before I left, I had auditioned for a TV movie about models and they were looking for an unknown girl to play a model, the lead in the movie. And so I got a call back when I was in Canada and had to fly back to New York to audition for it. And then again, and then the third time, they flew me to Hollywood and I got the role. And that was what, yes, definitely changed the trajectory of my life.
Speaker 1:I moved to Los Angeles and still thinking that I was going to go to college after I did this movie, and then, three weeks before, I decided, you know, I'm going to be really old when I get out of college 21. Three weeks before I decided, you know, I'm going to be really old when I get out of college 21. As only an 18 year old can think right, right, exactly. So I better just take advantage of the momentum now and I'm going to stay. And my mom? She committed the mortal mistake of going back to college after she divorced my dad when she was 40. And one of her refrains that she would say was oh, college is wasted on the young. So by the time I got to this place, I was able to say to her mom you said yourself that college is wasted on the young. So I'm going to go to college later and just see what happens here in Hollywood. And I never went to college because I stayed busy in Hollywood for a long time.
Speaker 2:Yes, you did. How many features in movies, TVs?
Speaker 1:I have been in over a hundred movies and television shows. Mostly have had the fortune to be the first or second female lead. As I've gotten older, I play now, you know, the grandmother, the lawyer, you know the not the first or second lead, but I did have very, very wonderful opportunities for the first 30 years of my career and hopefully more to come, because there's a lot of roles for women of all ages. Well, I'm sorry there aren't a lot, but there are roles for women of all ages.
Speaker 2:So and one of the things I hear and you talk about is how you put into your contracts some stipulations about what makeup you would wear and that you wouldn't wear fur on set. And I know, when I had a little bout in fitness modeling, that was something that was always. It actually just caused me to be like maybe I'm not going to pursue this because I would be so worried about, okay, which, oh, if I get booked by this company, oh, but am I supporting? You know, do they wear, use leather, do they use products that test on animals? Then I'm not going to take that job and I don't think I can be that picky. You know, you just put it in there. And how did that work?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I was lucky because I was playing the leads then, so I had the if I was playing. Well, now it's much easier. So even if I come on set plus I'm, you know, an old veteran so if I come on set and say, hey, I can only use stuff not tested on animals the makeup artist will be like, oh, I've got a ton of that, oh, I love that, or I don't use anything tested on animals. But back then it wasn't very. There were only a couple makeups MAC which was not tested on animals. Then Now, unfortunately, they do test on animals because of the rules in China and they want to sell in China. And then there was Joe Blasco, which is a very Hollywood brand. So those two did not test. So I was able to. Makeup artists were fine with it, nobody ever complained. It was really nice. Of course the internet wasn't around, so it wasn't as easy. You couldn't just go Google does this product test on animals or get an app for it. But yeah, so I stuck to Blasco and Mac mostly.
Speaker 2:Got it, got it. And let's talk about your and this fascinates me all the arrests that you've had with direct activism. At what point did you get into direct activism and civil disobedience? Do you remember your first arrest? I?
Speaker 1:do I do. It was in 1987. So I was in my 20s and I just walked for five weeks across America on the Great Peace March because I was very concerned about nuclear assault getting blown up by nuclear weapons. That is an issue that Russia and America had like 20 to 30,000 nuclear weapons on each side and now we have like 5,000 or 2,000. So there's been a lot of progress in that area. I'm sure that the ones we have now are far more destructive, but at least we are less apt to be blown up by mistake because there are fewer weapons. But I was very concerned.
Speaker 1:I was pretty sure at that age let's see it would be 1986. So I was 23 that I wasn't going to make it to 35 because of the nuclear issue. So I had been on the Great Peace March and we had gone to the nuclear test site in Nevada where all the nuclear weapons were tested above ground and that were continuing to be tested underground now after laws had passed to protect groundwater and such. But you know, it gets in there anyway, folks. So I went back to the test site after walking on the Great Peace March from LA to Las Vegas. I went back several times a year, actually for the next 15 years, to do peaceful civil disobedience and so that first time?
Speaker 1:yeah was 1987, I think yeah.
Speaker 2:And I know you talk about kind of your privileges that give you a unique opportunity when it comes to direct action. Can you share a little more about that? And I think somebody maybe put that idea in your head and you ran with it.
Speaker 1:My mom was and people ask like because all of us kids are activists. So people say, well, how did you get that way? And my mom was. She always voted, she always gave blood, she donated her time, all sorts of things she would do. She boycotted lettuce when Cesar Chavez's farm workers were boycotting it. So that kind of walking your talk was very much in our household.
Speaker 1:But I and my brother and sister also were more comfortable just being in the street holding a sign, vigiling, and civil disobedience peaceful civil disobedience kind of just felt natural to us, to me certainly. And so I felt like because I am a white woman, because I was in a job where they weren't going to fire me, because I got arrested because people get arrested a lot in Hollywood for far worse than peacefully passed a no trespass sign, right and because I didn't have children and because I didn't have to show up to work the next day. Usually my work did interfere a couple of times, but I have the ability to be an activist this way. But not everybody does and that's totally fine and everyone should be the activist they feel most comfortable in. And I guess I've always felt very comfortable and I love the community of people in the streets and organizing and, yeah, being more out there, I guess, than behind the scenes, although I'm a very good envelope stuffer.
Speaker 1:Back in the 80s and 90s, you know, you did a lot of. I'm not afraid of the justice system as much as a male might be or a person of color. So that first arrest I actually went to jail for several days and, yeah, it was a big learning experience. And subsequently I've been in jail for just five and a half days was the longest that I went in LA at the LA detention center for protesting the Iraq war and and then a couple several days for animals, for rescuing animals.
Speaker 2:Do you know how many times you've been arrested altogether at this point you?
Speaker 1:know it's over 24 probably or 25, because I would go back to the nuclear test site several times a year and get arrested, peacefully and eventually. It's interesting that you know the point of civil disobedience is not only to show how committed you are to get press attention for the cause, but also to pressure the powers that be because it's expensive to arrest everybody and book them and things and eventually the government, because that's basically it was federal land that we were protesting on nuclear testing as a government project. They stopped busing us to the local jail and instead they just built a fencing on the property that had a bathroom and water that they would herd us into, then they'd process us and then they would release us. For the most part it was too expensive to prosecute us, so I only went to jail for one time because after that they would just drop the charges.
Speaker 2:And how many more times do you plan to get arrested in your life? Do you think oh? Many more, many more.
Speaker 1:Yeah, many more. I think civil disobedience is a very effective way of bringing attention to a cause. It's not. Once again, the issue has to also have all the other aspects, that the fundraising, the letter writers, the lobbyists, all sorts of things to affect change.
Speaker 2:At this point moving forward, what causes do you feel most connected to or inspired by right now?
Speaker 1:Right now, I am focused on animal rights and human overpopulation. Those are the two that seem to me to be the most where I'm most needed as an activist. I was very much involved with getting electric cars on the road and I feel like, because I was part of the very, very beginning and now it's become so much more mainstream, I'm leaving that to other folks and working on issues that I just think are very important also, which is animal rights and human overpopulation.
Speaker 2:Beautiful. I want you to come one day. Maybe come visit us at Hogs and Kisses Farm Sanctuary. We've got a beautiful B&B We'd love to put you up, so I'm going to put that out there.
Speaker 1:Thank you so much. I would love that. I would love that.
Speaker 2:So let's talk a little bit now. I'm curious how you see you've been abstinent from purging right how do you describe it since you were 28? Is that correct? Yeah, so 32 years now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I consider myself abstinent. Abstinent sounds like such a funny word, though, so I just say I haven't binged or purged for 32 years.
Speaker 2:And do you consider yourself in recovery, as you're going to be in recovery, or do you feel recovered? How do you see that?
Speaker 1:I remember Dotsie really feels like she's recovered. I do not. I still use food. Just to be clear, I haven't binged really in the 31 years. Maybe a little twinge of that, because there's a difference between overeating and binging. It's a mindset, right? Yes, so I haven't binged and I haven't had that desire, that overpowering craving to just stuff myself till I'm sick and then throw it up. You know that sort of self-loathing. I haven't had that. But I definitely use food.
Speaker 1:Like there'll be times when I just do not eat well and I go right to sugar and I'll stay on eating sugar because it's comforting, but I don't binge on it, I just eat it and I don't eat enough vegetables. So I would say that that is where my work lies. But like my husband's been with me for 28 years and he says oh, alexandra, you have improved so much. You're like you're almost normal. Now. Whatever normal is right, right, but still, you know, sugar remains my Achilles heel. I would say that I'm addicted to sugar and there are times when I've gone off it. But then there are other times, basically, where I am able to keep it really a good place in my diet and then it kind of starts to creep more and more and more, and then I have to pull back. So I have to always be vigilant.
Speaker 2:Does that sound familiar to you? Oh, definitely, and it is. It's the mindset when it comes to what we're eating, how much we're eating, and for me it's this very much ability now to be conscious with my meal, to be conscious of making a conscious choice. So sometimes I consciously make a choice that is not the healthiest choice and I'm still making that choice. It doesn't feel like the food has the power over me, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1:Yes, that's a beautiful way to put it. Yes, I totally agree. I feel that that's where I am, and then I will, however, go to periods where I feel like, oh, it's getting a little bit too much and I have to pull back.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I pretty much. A few years ago I cut out sugar altogether for a good maybe six weeks. All refined sugar, even stevia, anything that would maybe prompt a craving for sugar. I cut that all out. I think it might've cut out for a little bit just to get that sweet taste because I had gotten to a place where I was eating a little bit of coconut milk ice cream. It wasn't the end of the world, it was the kind without the added sugar. But I felt every night after dinner I really wanted some and I felt like it was an addiction and I said I don't want to be controlled by this. So I cut out sugar altogether and I really haven't gone back. Now I can eat a little bit here and there, but in general it's gotten to the point where I don't crave it and that is a really nice place to be with that.
Speaker 1:That is for sure. Yeah, and I too have given it up for months and it's so great which is so weird that I would go back on it, but it's so great not to be so. Here's my philosophy about sugar or about anything that. If somebody's struggling with alcohol or some specific food, is that for me, when it comes to sugar, two is too many and a hundred is not enough. So I'm never satisfied wholly when I eat sugar. There's always that. Well, when I finish it, I always feel a little bit sad. Yes, oh, totally, you know. And I think, okay, well, I'll have some tomorrow. So when you don't eat sugar at all, that just never enters into your mind. So it's, there's so much more peace. You know, cause?
Speaker 2:you're like nope, you know, I know I can't be satisfied anyway, so if I give it up, okay, it's so true, every time you start you're always going to have to stop and be like, oh, I really want a little more, you know.
Speaker 1:So you have to go through that kind of every time, every time every time, unless you binge until you're sick, which is what I used to do, and I don't do that anymore. So it's more like you said. My conscious mind goes, oh, put it down, alexandra, and there's that little bit of spathis. So it's true, abstinence can often be easier, moderation or trying to manage.
Speaker 2:How do you help as a health coach when somebody's kind of battling with that inability to stop once they get started. But maybe they don't have a full-out eating disorder but there's some disordered eating in there? How do you work with somebody around that?
Speaker 1:So, just to be clear, I closed my health coaching business because I'm working with my mom, being with my mom, so I couldn't do both and really be good to both, but at seven years of coaching.
Speaker 1:So one of the most important things is, if somebody wants to cut down on something is to just make it easier for them and not ask them to engage their willpower or white knuckle it. So it's really important that it not be in their environment. And when it's not around, studies have shown that people, if they have to make an effort to get to something, they're less likely to do it the harder it is, and it can be as simple as just putting if you live with a lot of other people, putting the foods that you crave in a cupboard that's either high or very low and behind, so you don't see them. If you have it out on the kitchen table, of course you're going to eat it and so they're just to get it out of your environment. Was number is very, very important. And then also to plan ahead about okay, so you don't want to eat dessert, but you know now you feel like you don't want to eat dessert but you're going to want to eat it and come supper time.
Speaker 1:So what are you going to do when you start craving? What kind of substitutions? And they might not be food. It might be getting up and turning on some really pleasurable TV show. What are you going to do instead to get you out of the habit? Because a lot of our eating, for example, is habit, and also it helps, of course, with the craving that you talk about is that once we get out of the habit, our bodies doesn't expect it anymore, and so we all had habits that we've given up tons of things in our life, like so many people in college ate pizza every night for dinner, an entire pizza, and they don't do that anymore. So we all can change our habits.
Speaker 1:It seems hard in the beginning, so planning ahead and figuring out. People always said to me oh no, I just won't eat dessert. I'm like, no, it doesn't work that way. It feels like it does, but no, it's not that easy, otherwise you would have given up dessert a long time ago. What are you going to do instead of having dessert to make you feel good and not deprived, so we can get you out of this habit of having dessert every night? So that's a biggie. The best thing would be to not go to the restaurants that have your dessert, you know.
Speaker 1:But some people don't feel like they can't control that part of their lives, like where they eat, especially if they have family who want dessert or they go on business dinners. Although I had a client once who said I have to go to business dinners. I hate them. I hate them. But I said, you know you hate them, Don't you think like other people hate them too? What if you suggested, just, you know, let's have meat and have a tea or a coffee or a drink if you have to. Don't you think they want to get home to their families too? Right, no, no, no, no, no. I'm like no, they don't. And then, of course, covid taught us all that everyone's just fine staying inside.
Speaker 2:Yeah, totally, and I think also it's that ability to pause right Before you take the action, because if you don't have that pause, then it's automated and it just goes. So, training ourselves to pause before we act and then to have a I'm calling them declarations these days affirmation, whatever, but have like this thought ready to counter the thought of I really want. But let me pause and say, what would I choose if I really loved myself? Or have something there to kind of coach ourselves right? Did I ever tell you my granola story? I don't know, tell me so. I was in my disordered eating days. I was addicted to this specific granola that you could buy in bulk at Whole Foods and it was so delicious. And granola is just so calorie dense. It's loaded with most of them are loaded with sugar and so sweet and delicious, but it has a health.
Speaker 1:Halo, but it has a health halo, it's so true.
Speaker 2:Anywho, I could not stop myself Once I started eating granola. I could not stop myself. So I started, instead of just not buying granola, I started buying it, still in bulk, but I would put it in bags in my trunk and I would carry into my home only the amount that I wanted to let myself eat that day. But I was still ruled. I mean, it was better, but I was still ruled. And then one day I was with, like this fitness icon in my town and she was with me and I opened my trunk and she's like what is that? Massive bags of granola. And she's like, oh no. And she just took them. She was, she was hardcore. She just took them and she put them in the dumpster and she's like no more. I was like I know, I know, I don't want to be ruled by the granola anymore.
Speaker 1:And so what happened? How was it for you? Were you able to give it up, cold turkey?
Speaker 2:No, no, not at that moment. I still had a lot of inner work to do. I mean this is all emotional. I mean I was filling a void, that it was a milestone. I mean I started to really do the work at that point. Up until then it was like the physical what can I do, right, to manipulate my environment so that I don't make those choices? Not what I could do to manipulate my own emotions and really deal with the root of what it was that I was trying to fill.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean, but you did touch on something that, by having to bring it inside, you made yourself think. You know, and psychologically we do tend to eat from a bag and then we'll finish the bag. But because it takes a little effort to open a new bag, it's like a new thing. Hence the a hundred calories, snack walls and stuff. It's not always healthy, but it is healthier and it does is a step towards being more aware. And I remember when I would start the day for years with a chocolate chip muffin and my nutritionist said you can't do that. And I'm like what? No, it makes me feel good One chocolate chip muffin. And then you know she's like no, I want you to have something that doesn't have sugar in it. And I wept. I wept because I said I don't know what else to eat. Well, I haven't had a chocolate chip muffin for two decades.
Speaker 1:You find other things that fill you and then they become things you like and you develop new habits. So I think part of it, of course, is inner work, definitely, but I think also a lot of it's just mindlessness, a habit, what we've been doing, and we can definitely change. So much of that is in our control, because willpower is people say, oh Alexandra, you have so much willpower. I'm like, no, it's not willpower. It's not willpower, it's habit. I've changed my habits and, yeah, it took a little bit of awareness and maybe a little bit of willpower that very first time, the first few days, but after that, no, you learn how to build new habits that usually are healthier if you're aware and working on yourself.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. And then having some goals. I mean you stopped work for what? Nine months to prepare and you did an Ironman, you did the Hawaii Ironman, I did.
Speaker 1:I did the Hawaii.
Speaker 2:Ironman, oh my gosh, I am in awe of anyone who does the Ironman. And so you trained for nine months and you really hadn't. You were already, you know, swimmer, but not biking. You had never done a marathon, I'd never run more than I think.
Speaker 1:I'd maybe run 10 miles on my own maybe, but I'd never done a marathon. And the Ironman has a marathon at the end and then it has a two and a half mile swim, which I wasn't worried about. I don't think I'd swum two and a half miles. Maybe I had, but I hadn't been on a bike since I was a teenager and I was 34 when I started training 33, 33. And yeah, I took nine months off because it was after Baywatch and I loved shooting Baywatch and I'd done a whole bunch of movies and another pilot, maybe two pilots for other networks, and they were nice, they were good, but they weren't that community in the home that I was okay. I thought, you know, I need another adventure and I was worried it was going to ruin my career.
Speaker 1:But it turned out to be actually very good for my acting career. Because after you come off a series like Baywatch, everyone thinks you're just incompetent and dumb and I don't know. They just don't give you any credit for anything. And then you go do an Ironman. Then it counteracts their former stereotype of you and back then it was the 90s, 97. So people weren't really doing the Ironman as much as they do now. That's so awesome.
Speaker 2:I love that. How did it go? I really didn't read anything about that, yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, well, great. I struggled with something that I found a solution to later. I struggled with drinking water. I would get this air bubble on the top of my chest and it made it hard to breathe. But later, when I was doing some marathons, I discovered that if I drank from a straw, so I would cut a little mini straw and keep it in my fanny pack and then when I drank, instead of gulping air at the same time, I just took a straw and drunk that way. So I created that. So, yeah, it was 13 hours.
Speaker 1:So it's not like I'm a speed demon, but I certainly was well under the cutoff, that's for sure. So I think I defied expectations. But I did train very hard in school. I was very good at school because I did my homework and I did what I was asked. And same thing with the training my coach was a former Ironman winner, so I did every single thing he asked me to do, except for one day out of that nine months. And he was kind of surprised because I think he too thought oh my God, who is this person? She's never even done a marathon. She doesn't really know how to ride a bike.
Speaker 2:He didn't know you. No, he didn't know me, but he knows me now. Yeah, I bet that's amazing. What are some of the things now that are most challenging for you just in your life? I know well, one thing that I've heard you talk about is that you don't procrastinate, you pre-crastinate Is that the word? I had never heard that word before and it kind of is very descriptive, like I get what that means, which can be good, I think, sometimes, but also sometimes probably not so great.
Speaker 1:Right. So I am the opposite of a procrastinator I will do things right away and then I'll forget whether I've done them or I won't give myself the time to really think about them, and sometimes things need to marinate before you rush it and finish a job, so respond to an email or whatever. So there are some downsides. And so pre-procrastinate was the word for someone who doesn't procrastinate and does things right away. I don't know if that article was written by someone who made up that word or not, but that's the word I use now. So it has served me well, because I think my discipline and I'm not putting myself down when I say this, but I'm kind of an all round person, like I'm okay at a lot of things. I'm not excellent at one specific thing, I'm not a genius in any way so my discipline has enabled me to get ahead of other people who might be super talented but don't have discipline and it also has helped me feel good about myself. I'm always working on trying to be better, and it makes my life happier, even though people go God you know, don't you want to relax? And I'm like no, I do relax, I'm happy While you're relaxing and going oh, I shouldn't be relaxing. I'm having a great time at the gym.
Speaker 1:So I think that my discipline, especially in my acting career, served me really well, because I'm an okay actress, I'm fine, I certainly can make dialogue that's not great believable, which is a challenge, and I don't know if some of the Oscar winners would be able to do that. But I and have worked under really, really stringent conditions. So when you know, I heard once Charlize Theron say oh my God, I shot this movie in 18 days and it was so hard and I thought 18 days, girl, you're so lucky, because the higher budget movies always take longer. But if you're in the independent film world, like I am, I mean I've done big, big studio features, but I've done a lot of independence. You are cranking through. You know there's no big warm trailer that you hang out in until you're on the set working shooting the next scene. So my discipline has gotten me, I think, to a place where I might not have normally gotten to in acting if I wasn't disciplined.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Well, so many things that you've accomplished. I mean, the discipline has been with you for it seems like your whole life.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, it has, cause I think I realized young, you know, alexandra, you're not like super good at anything. When I was in grade school I wasn't a very good athlete. I was a good student, but only because I really worked hard. I was a very good student, I worked super hard at it. I wasn't like one of those people who just could not do the homework and study.
Speaker 2:Well, that's an extraordinary thing in and of itself. Your drive, the drive you had to do I mean? That's extraordinary. I know what you mean. I kind of feel very similar myself. I'm good at a lot of things. I'm very well-rounded. I've got a lot of things that I've learned to do, because being a solopreneur you learn to do a lot of things. You know, I'm not an Olympic athlete but I can do a lot of different. You know calisthenics exercises there's just yeah, but the drive is there and getting up every day.
Speaker 1:I see that in you very, very much and I think in the end, I think we're lucky to have that, I think we are.
Speaker 2:Thank you, yeah, as we wrap up here, alexandra, I think when we were just chatting before we popped on, we were talking about a couple of the books Pema Chodron you had said you read which book of hers I read when Things Fall Apart.
Speaker 2:Things Fall Apart and I just read how we Live Is how we Die, which I have now assigned to two of my private clients to read, because she just has such an incredible way of expressing and the grief I'm going through with Shai. And did you read that at an opportune time? That was when you needed it.
Speaker 1:It passed around my family before my brother, jonathan, who became the vegan when he was 14. He went to prison for three and a half years for an animal rights issue and it was super hard on everybody. So, yeah, that book was passed around our family and I give it to people when they have a breakup or a loss, because it's just really good. I recommend it. It's really easy to read too, like all her books.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and this other one about grief and aging, and you had said you know I'm thinking a lot about mortality. Do you want to kind of share what you're thinking about and why?
Speaker 1:And as we wrap up, Well, remember when I said earlier in our talk today that I thought that when I was 21, I was going to be old. And now I look back and go you know what, if I had learned to dance because I remember thinking also, I'm 21, I'm too old to learn to dance If I'd learned to dance when I was 21, 40 years later now, I would be like an expert. So yeah, so to everybody who's out there going, I'm too old. I know that it's 60. I'm gonna look back when I'm 70 and go Alexandra, 60 is young. So I recognize I'm excited for this decade.
Speaker 1:But I'm also really aware, because I'm taking care of my mom, who's 87, how aging affects us and my mom was super healthy and she has Parkinson's. You know, it's not because she didn't take care of herself, cause I think she's doing so well because she did take care of herself. But it just makes you feel vulnerable when you see your mother fading and then you know that, well, we all do it right. But it's so easy to be able to not think about it unless it's kind of in your face more. And then I see that in our sixties that you know people dying and I think, my God, that guy was 61 and he died of a heart attack. I'm 60. I mean, I could only have one year to live. So in a way it's good, because it makes you less fearful what we do on this planet, and then also more grateful.
Speaker 2:All comes back to gratitude, right? Yeah, always does.
Speaker 1:The attitude of gratitude and our attitude is really important and for a healthy life, a long healthy life too.
Speaker 2:Holistically healthy and I think you're a shining example of that. Are there any last words you'd like to share and any projects you're working on or anything? Are you just pretty focused on family right now?
Speaker 1:And yeah, I've auditioned a little bit. Unfortunately, even if I were to get a job offer, it would have to be a good one for me to leave my mom, but I'm still auditioning just to be in the game. So I'm not visible and yeah, so no, I'm just working a lot with animal rights and things with direct action everywhere and the simple heart, and I am excited for this year to do more work for animals and to speak on overpopulation. So, if anyone's listening and has a class, I really have been doing outreach to universities to see if I can speak on the issue of human fertility and population to science classes, math classes, and I don't get a lot of response because I think people are so afraid of this issue environmental studies classes. So if anybody wants me to speak, especially if they are doing classes online, I spoke at several universities this year but I'd like to do more. So if anybody listening has an in, please write to Ella and she'll send it to me.
Speaker 2:Yes, absolutely, absolutely. Alexandra, thank you for all the work you've done and continue to do and for sharing this time and space with me. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1:It's been an honor speaking with you, ella, thanks.
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